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[03:06:47] <myrkraverk> re
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[03:58:33] <myrkraverk> anyone here?
[04:01:12] * kokito waves
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[04:22:34] * [Katisu] wonders if kokito and Hodapp count as anyone
[04:22:42] <[Katisu]> .seen anyone
[04:22:43] <BuildFactory> Sorry, I haven't seen anyone around.
[04:24:05] <kokito> hey [Katisu] :)
[04:33:15] <myrkraverk> ;)
[04:34:03] <myrkraverk> any of you know if there are any issues at compiling openssh for beos?
[04:41:24] <kokito> not me...
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[04:47:53] * JonathanThompson notes the best sound bite from today's Yahoo! All-hands Huddle was without question "Beer with Purpose"
[04:47:59] <JonathanThompson> And I don't even drink.
[04:48:33] <Cube-ness> you absorb moisture from the air through your skin?
[04:48:52] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps you're being too literal: I don't drink alcoholic beverages :)
[04:49:03] <JonathanThompson> (Though I had the opportunity during that meeting to do so if I chose to)
[04:58:38] <myrkraverk> erm, is there another beos related channel than this and #beos?
[04:58:50] <JonathanThompson> Is there a Zeta channel?
[04:58:55] * JonathanThompson hasn't checked
[04:58:56] <myrkraverk> I *think* so (not #zeta) but I can't recall the name
[04:59:07] <myrkraverk> #beos<something> iirc
[04:59:10] <JonathanThompson> yellowtab, perhaps?  No clue have I.
[04:59:18] <myrkraverk> no, not that one ;)
[05:01:03] * JonathanThompson wonders how many others will mostly remember "Beer with Purpose" and forget all the other things that were meant to be more important
[05:05:44] <umccullough> beer?
[05:06:06] <umccullough> there used to be a #zeta-dev and a #zeta-talk
[05:09:53] <myrkraverk> nope, not those
[05:19:51] <myrkraverk> ah, #beosghetto
[05:19:56] <myrkraverk> I wonder what it's for ;P
[05:24:02] <JonathanThompson> Yes, umccullough.  Beer.
[05:24:36] <JonathanThompson> What was at my local site was Corona.
[05:24:49] <JonathanThompson> That, and some QFC chinese food from the deli.
[05:26:02] <myrkraverk> erm, would any of you know what to read, to learn about making bone network services?
[05:26:22] <JonathanThompson> The Network Kit in the Be Book.
[05:26:28] <myrkraverk> hmm, ok
[05:26:35] <JonathanThompson> Use the kit as-is, and it'll be compatible with older BeOS as well.
[05:28:37] <myrkraverk> nice
[05:31:30] <myrkraverk> do I have to do anything special to make the service appear in the boneyard services tab?
[05:31:53] <JonathanThompson> Oh, wait: you want to do a networking service? :)
[05:31:58] * JonathanThompson re-reads previous lines
[05:32:35] <JonathanThompson> I have zero information on the Boneyard services, as I've not run anything newer than BeOS 5.-3 without BONE, other than Haiku.
[05:32:38] <myrkraverk> yes
[05:33:01] <myrkraverk> ok, am booting qemu haiku now, to compare
[05:33:21] <myrkraverk> JonathanThompson, the tab is there in zeta too
[05:33:38] <myrkraverk> (I recall mine comming with ssh, that I turned on)
[05:35:32] <JonathanThompson> Well, again: nothing newer than 5.03 has (dis)graced my machines :P
[05:35:59] <JonathanThompson> (Sans BONE patch)
[05:36:39] <myrkraverk> yes, maybe I can show you a screenshot, only I'm not sure where to put it ;/
[05:36:39] <JonathanThompson> IIRC my motherboard was one listed as not working correctly under Zeta, at least definitely not for SMP.
[05:37:03] <JonathanThompson> Showing me a screenshot won't do you a bit of good for accomplishing the task, myrkraverk.
[05:37:03] <myrkraverk> my laptop seems to work correctly with smp in zeta, only my nic doesn't ;/
[05:37:19] <myrkraverk> JonathanThompson, no, but it'll show you what I want to accomplish ;)
[05:38:07] * JonathanThompson shows myrkraverk a POV-Ray rendering of a novel aircraft of his invention (in theory) but notes that's not nearly enough for documenting how such a critter needs to be built
[05:38:41] <myrkraverk> JonathanThompson, no, but it'll show me what *you* want to accomplish ;)
[05:39:13] <JonathanThompson> Only in a very abstract manner :)  The devil is in the implementation details (as opposed to in my pants, according to one song)
[05:39:59] <myrkraverk> ;)
[05:40:49] <JonathanThompson> If I actually showed you a raytracing of the concept I have in mind, you'd be asking yourself, "WTF???":
[05:41:29] <myrkraverk> hmm, true, probably ;)
[05:41:42] <etteyafed> What do you get when you combine Chatterbean(ALICE) with FreeTTS with Sphinx-4 with a system shell?
[05:41:58] * JonathanThompson hates to ask, but fears it'll be answered anyway
[05:42:05] <myrkraverk> etteyafed, noise?
[05:42:26] <etteyafed> YES! Noise!
[05:42:27] <JonathanThompson> etteyafed on drugs :P
[05:43:17] * JonathanThompson wonders how nice and crispy that slice of pepperoni that fell onto the bottom of the oven will get, before using the self-cleaning function, and what will happen after
[05:44:22] <etteyafed> You get a command interpreter with speech recognition and speech capibility that can understand and use natural language. B)
[05:44:32] <JonathanThompson> Of course, I'll likely wait some unknown time before running the cleaning: the weather forecasters are going wild over the probability of a major windstorm here.
[05:45:33] <etteyafed> Turn your computer into the StarTrek Next Gen ships computer (without the ship of course)
[05:45:36] <JonathanThompson> It's not looking likely to be as major as the storms late last year, the latter one in December that knocked out power to easily 90% of the Seattle area.
[05:46:56] <JonathanThompson> The typical evergreen around here isn't properly trimmed down, and they're apparently a bit fragile, too.  There were enough fallen branches of them I could have made easily 1000 wreaths had I been insane enough.
[05:47:36] <JonathanThompson> (Just in where I drove: I imagine there was a LOT more, with all the trees crushing houses and cars)
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[05:48:30] <etteyafed> Or if you had been industrious enough. People might buy them.
[05:48:48] <JonathanThompson> Well, it's not like I was setup to store them.
[05:49:07] <etteyafed> Too bad.
[05:49:12] <JonathanThompson> I was living downtown Bellevue in an apartment, and now I'm in an apartment as well, so it doesn't help.
[05:49:37] <JonathanThompson> That, and I'm allergic to the mold that grows on plants, so that's living dangerously, allowing such a large amount to rot indoors.
[05:50:45] <etteyafed> Maybe you should get a place in the burbs. An underground one, with lots of air filters.
[05:50:59] <etteyafed> More room and cleaner air.
[05:51:22] <JonathanThompson> That's.... debatable.
[05:51:31] <JonathanThompson> I wouldn't care for the commute in this area.
[05:51:38] <JonathanThompson> Only New York and LA are worse.
[05:52:11] <etteyafed> Waaaaay underground so you are safe from nukes and falling trees. Worse than what?
[05:52:14] <JonathanThompson> And depending on where I went, inversions due to mountain terrain may render your theory null and void.
[05:52:27] <JonathanThompson> For traffic congestion.
[05:53:23] <etteyafed> Ok well then not the burbs, go Colorado. Lots of empty space there, and good skiing
[05:53:36] <JonathanThompson> Definitely a lot of empty space :)
[05:54:07] <JonathanThompson> New Mexico, Utah, Arizona and Texas also come to mind when thinking "Empty space" in the lower 48.
[05:54:29] <JonathanThompson> For that matter, there's a lot of empty space in eastern Washington state.
[05:54:56] <JonathanThompson> And then.... there's Wyoming :)
[05:55:02] <etteyafed> Marry a chemist with a minor in botany and have her invent you a non toxic spray that kills all forms of mold on contact
[05:55:23] <JonathanThompson> If you're driving through Wyoming, make darn sure you have a credit/debit card that's visa/mastercard, because not all gas stations (which are rare at times) have people.
[05:55:54] <etteyafed> So if there are no people why pay for the gas? ;)
[05:56:04] <JonathanThompson> I was very nearly in trouble as a result of that, since I was moving from Indiana to here, and had closed everything down.
[05:56:05] <etteyafed> I assume that has een thought of
[05:56:14] <JonathanThompson> Automated machinery, etteyafed.
[05:56:20] <etteyafed> Yes
[05:56:54] <etteyafed> You don't pay and a giant hammer smashhes your car as you leave!
[05:56:57] <etteyafed> BAM
[05:57:16] <JonathanThompson> Won't happen: you must pay first :)
[05:57:31] <etteyafed> I was amusing myself
[05:57:41] <JonathanThompson> At least that wasn't a messy way to amuse yourself.
[05:57:43] <etteyafed> i prefer the giant hammer idea
[05:58:04] <JonathanThompson> More picturesque :P
[05:58:29] <etteyafed> more flying car parts
[05:58:34] <JonathanThompson> More guts.
[05:58:40] <etteyafed> just in the car
[05:58:53] * JonathanThompson goes to take care of pizza in the oven and dinner and a show
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[11:26:53] <Judgen> anyone know how to mount an bin file in osx?
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[11:27:29] <Judgen> in linux all i do is "mount * (mountpoint) -loop 0
[11:27:37] <Judgen> but in osx that dont owk
[11:27:40] <Judgen> work
[11:27:52] <Judgen> i should never have bought this stupid mac
[11:28:57] <Judgen> it was better when i had my old g4, then i was sure nothing worked... now i have to search google and stuff.. when using os9. Whenever i had a problem i just thought. No point bothering as it wint work anyways
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[11:29:06] * JonathanThompson wonders which stupic Mac Judgen bought
[11:29:14] <Judgen> JonathanThompson: macpro
[11:29:37] <JonathanThompson> I'm contemplating adding a Mac Mini to my stable of computer horses.
[11:30:00] <Judgen> ive sold most of my computers as the company filed for bancprcy
[11:30:39] <JonathanThompson> It won't be my main computer, as I intend on buying a completely new (except monitor) system in a few months that's (hopefully) Haiku compatible, but considering my current hardware, a Mac Mini by itself is more computational power than all my current hardware combined.
[11:30:56] <JonathanThompson> Which company?  Your current employer?
[11:31:02] <Judgen> no my company
[11:31:15] <JonathanThompson> A company you own?
[11:31:22] <Judgen> did own yes
[11:31:31] <Judgen> its dead now
[11:31:40] * JonathanThompson hands Judgen a shovel
[11:31:41] <Judgen> sadly, but im thinking of starting another..
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[11:31:51] <stargater> re
[11:31:58] <Judgen> with the same folks..
[11:32:18] <Judgen> bancrupcy is just a way to get things back on track....
[11:32:46] <Judgen> as long as that dont imply that i would like SCO back on track that is =)
[11:34:21] <Judgen> sales group. you need experienced people for that
[11:35:05] <Judgen> or maybe telemarketing would be a nice thing. As we can employ desperate teenagss just out from directional school
[11:35:36] <Judgen> teenagers
[11:35:36] <Judgen> thats a cheap model of practice i know... but it might work
[11:35:36] <Judgen> it has worked for others
[11:36:38] <Judgen> or maybe well focus on support and take the much desired linux support channel for dell.... time will tell
[11:36:55] <Judgen> sorry for flooding =)
[11:44:22] <Judgen> macosx people are freaks.... they post things like this in their channel http://www.2girls1cup.com/
[11:44:36] <Judgen> i wish i was in BeOS so i wanst bale to watch it
[11:44:42] <Judgen> wasnt able..
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[11:54:41] <IcePic> ouch
[12:02:54] <plfiorini> seems something pr0n by looking at the domain
[12:17:48] <Begasus> build fixed ;)
[12:20:19] <stargater> ohmy god, what links are postet you Judgen :-( thats verry bad ,, verry bad
[12:21:02] <stargater> please do not more post here the badly urls
[12:22:32] <stargater> cu
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[12:25:34] <Judgen> Stamrogh: dont look at it
[12:25:40] <Judgen> its horrible
[12:28:02] <plfiorini> what's this url?
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[13:17:57] <plfiorini> plop
[13:18:46] <Begasus> klus
[13:18:49] <mmu_man> plop
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[14:23:58] <JBurton> hi all
[14:25:56] <plfiorini> hi JBurton
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[14:33:39] <JBurton> hi DeadYak
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[14:47:02] <DeadYak> hiya
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[14:50:28] <DeadYak> heh, wow, phipps quit?
[14:51:45] <JBurton> yep
[14:51:56] <JBurton> and DarkWyrm quit too a couple of days ago
[14:52:03] <DeadYak> oh?
[14:53:17] <JBurton> yep
[14:53:28] <JBurton> http://darkwyrm.beemulated.net/news.htm
[14:54:48] <DeadYak> ha
[14:54:51] <DeadYak> err ah
[14:55:09] <DeadYak> so this brings up an interesting question....who's going to run the non-profit?
[14:55:35] <JBurton> checked the article "Re-inventing Haiku" ?
[14:56:45] <DeadYak> where?
[14:57:50] <JBurton> http://haiku-os.org/news/2007-10-18/reinventing_haiku
[14:58:29] <DeadYak> interesting, that one didn't show up on RSS
[14:59:54] <DeadYak> thanks :)
[14:59:58] <JBurton> np
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[15:21:32] <kad77> DeadYak: so there was a meeting, the ppl quitting was part of the pending leadership changes some had mentioned?
[15:22:19] <DeadYak> kad77: the two weren't directly related, they just decided it was as good a time as any to bow out but I dunno
[15:22:29] <DeadYak> that's how I understand it anyways
[15:23:42] <JBurton> yeah these changes were planned for an unspecified date in the future,
[15:24:02] <JBurton> I guess they just took the chance now, that they NEED someone to take the place of mphipps
[15:24:48] <kad77> ah. that link was helpful explaining, I hope this goes well. I'll do what I can.
[15:26:28] <kad77> anyone know what happened to the code error checker thing axel was working on some months ago? A company had donated a license to their lint type product ofr something?
[15:26:42] <JBurton> er ?
[15:27:40] <kad77> I could have sworn axeld was trying to get the source tree run through a tool that would analyze for best practices and deep error checking. I'll have to check archives
[15:27:55] <JBurton> ah yes
[15:27:58] <JBurton> I remember
[15:28:31] <DeadYak> wasn't coverity was it?
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[15:28:42] <JBurton> yes
[15:28:44] <JBurton> that was it
[15:28:57] <JBurton> but afaik they need to use pkgsrc
[15:28:58] <kad77> always thought it would be great to use the advanced tools that are out there. one thing I would like to try and contribute to Haiku, is working to get software companies to donate licenses to the non-profit for dev use.
[15:29:06] <JBurton> so our tree needs to be compilable via that tool
[15:29:13] <JBurton> someone has to take care of uit
[15:29:13] <JBurton> it
[15:30:00] <kad77> You would be surprised what companies will do. As a student I had gotten access to many thousands of dollars of tools just by askign, stating my case/project, and saying it was non-profit and a I would link to them in rleases or on webpage
[15:31:17] <kad77> JBurton: sorry, I thought pkgsrc was a repository accesss tool?
[15:31:48] <JBurton> I don't know the details
[15:31:53] <JBurton> but basically...
[15:32:07] <JBurton> they needed our tarball to be a pkgsrc "package"
[15:32:16] <JBurton> our _source_ tarball
[15:33:30] <kad77> http://www.netbsd.org/docs/software/packages.html <-- seems to be project home
[15:34:23] <kad77> JBUrton: our source all in pkg_src format? yeesh, that sounds like it could be daunting. Wonder how scriptable that would be
[15:35:03] <JBurton> yeah that's the blocker
[15:35:04] <JBurton> brb
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[17:09:00] <JDarkness> hi all
[17:12:02] <JDarkness> why my GeForce 7300 do not work with haiku_nvidia_v80 driver?
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[17:16:11] <JBurton> bye all
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[18:39:33] <miqlas> re!
[18:42:07] <DeadYak> kokito!
[18:42:17] <kokito> hey DeadYak
[18:43:12] <DeadYak> how goes?
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[18:50:11] <miqlas> Hello!
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[19:07:02] <etteyafed> Anything interesting happen in the SVN lately?
[19:08:07] <Stamrogh> etteyafed: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/OpenBeOS
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[19:13:58] <DeadYak> I was going to say, a lot, whether or not CIA reports it
[19:14:08] <DeadYak> at least there's been a lot happening in the SVN mail digestss
[19:14:10] <Lelldorin1> hi all
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[21:19:47] <MYOB> evenin' all...
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[21:20:57] <DeadYak> MYOB: long time no see
[21:21:04] <MYOB> having been real-life occupied for ~3 weeks, whats the stability like these days?
[21:21:24] <DeadYak> in what respect? :)
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[21:21:34] <MYOB> DeadYak work went hectic, love life went similar, then had to do some monster drives around the country
[21:21:39] <MYOB> DeadYak haiku, not DaaT's mental ;)
[21:21:42] <DeadYak> ah fun
[21:21:55] <DeadYak> there's been lots of stuff getting fixed/changed lately
[21:22:08] <DeadYak> that and phipps stepped down if you didn't already see that post
[21:22:13] <MYOB> no, I didnt
[21:22:27] <MYOB> can I only say "some years too late..."
[21:22:29] <DeadYak> http://haiku-os.org/blog/mphipps/2007-09-18/what_a_long_strange_trip_its_been
[21:22:50] <Ingenu> [21:21] <MYOB> can I only say "some years too late..." ?
[21:23:05] <MYOB> Ingenu headless managment != good managment
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[21:23:56] <MYOB> he was rather anonymous of late
[21:25:40] <MYOB> should have got to the end of the mad period in work at worst tomorrow evening, could be quiet to year-end in fact now
[21:25:48] <MYOB> must test to see if Haiku "works" on my laptop...
[21:26:24] <Ingenu> dictators rules
[21:27:06] <MYOB> I may be tempted to work on PCMCIA again (did try it when everything was R5 hosted, failed woefully)
[21:27:25] <MYOB> I've also done a hell of a lot more programming since then :P
[21:28:34] <Ingenu> :)
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[21:28:42] <Ingenu> learning new things daily
[21:28:52] <Ingenu> although it seems not everyone wants to improve
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[21:32:24] <MYOB> aww, ffmpeg doesan't support the coding mode RTE use on high def properly
[21:32:40] <MYOB> got some TS files I recorded on my DTT card and they don't play right
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[21:37:43] <MYOB> but they do play, BeOS can "do" HDTV :P
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[21:46:40] <stargater> hi
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[22:35:10] <korli> evening
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[22:53:04] <korli> anyone manages to boot the current revision on real hardware ?
[22:53:35] <urnenfeld> i booted last weekend
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[22:54:19] <MrSunshine> humm, an 3d accelerated desktop .. would that mean that all opengl apps would have to render everything to a texture that is then presented on the desktop ?
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[22:57:26] <stargater> Hi stippi
[22:57:41] <stargater> ah Hi urnenfeld and korli
[22:59:22] <urnenfeld> :)
[23:01:08] <stippi> hi urnenfeld
[23:01:11] <stippi> hi stargater
[23:02:38] <kokito> korli, it boots here, but freezes as soon as I try to move the mouse pointer
[23:04:15] <MrSunshine> anyone reflercted over how a 3d desktop works? .. cant find any real info on it :)
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[23:05:34] <stargater> 3d ? Desktop ?
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[23:07:25] <MrSunshine> like vistas
[23:07:30] <MrSunshine> its 3d accelerated with directx
[23:07:44] <MrSunshine> so everything 3d is drawn in a 3d environment ...
[23:07:54] <MrSunshine> only thin gi can think of is a render to texture aproach :)=
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[23:08:42] <korli> hi stippi kokito urnenfeld stargater
[23:09:18] * kokito waves back
[23:09:21] <urnenfeld>  hi hi hi :)
[23:09:27] <korli> stippi: I have problems to boot Haiku on real hardware, did you check lately ?
[23:11:17] <korli> halts in ahci
[23:14:34] <stippi> korli: running on it right now
[23:14:44] <stippi> not ahci though
[23:14:49] <stippi> it never worked for me
[23:14:54] <stippi> (halted)
[23:16:57] <kokito> stippi!! :)
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[23:24:54] <myrkraverk> erm, doesn't haiku work with smp yet?
[23:25:26] <myrkraverk> mmu_man, you around?
[23:25:34] <MangoFusion> tried that in vmware the other day, and it didn't work
[23:25:41] <mmu_man> ..
[23:26:00] <myrkraverk> it just failed spectuacularsy with qemu -smp 4 ;)
[23:26:14] <myrkraverk> with -smp 2, it's still sitting there, so I'm not sure yet ;)
[23:26:54] <myrkraverk> mmu_man, what happened to you ssh port to beos? (now that zeta is gone)
[23:27:18] <mmu_man> well I published teh diffs
[23:27:35] * stippi pets kokito
[23:28:00] <myrkraverk> mmu_man, did they make upstream?
[23:28:16] <mmu_man> hmm not sure for ssh
[23:28:33] <myrkraverk> are the diffs available somewhere?
[23:28:37] <mmu_man> maybe it was too hackish to send to the official tree
[23:29:11] <myrkraverk> oh, and on something slightly different, do you know what it takes for a service to appear in the boneyard services tab?
[23:30:08] <myrkraverk> haiku, with -smp 2 seems to boot, though more slowly
[23:31:04] <myrkraverk> (probably natually, since I'm on a uniprocessor machine now)
[23:32:48] <myrkraverk> well, I'm afk, mmu_man: if you respond, please leave it in a /query
[23:33:37] <mmu_man> myrkraverk a correct line in /etc/inetd.conf
[23:34:11] <mmu_man> I'll dig all my diffs someday and publish them
[23:34:54] <urnenfeld> night all
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[23:38:33] <stippi> mmu_man: please do! :-)
[23:39:03] <mmu_man> well most were already but..
[23:39:19] <mmu_man> what was that site... haikuports ?
[23:39:40] <mmu_man> there was a repos on beclan, not sure it's still up
[23:41:19] <mmu_man> brrr
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[23:56:39] <stippi> good night all
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