October 16, 2007 
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October 16, 2007 [00:01:19] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:04:14] *** magnetron has quit IRC[00:06:25] <Judgen> haha the AI keeps loosing their queen to peaseants all the time[00:06:36] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[00:07:01] <Judgen> the 3d chess in ubuntu on the other hand only has one difficulty setting and its set to damn hard or something[00:07:10] <Judgen> only beats it 1/3 of the time[00:12:40] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[00:15:01] *** korli has joined #haiku[00:15:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[00:20:00] *** _DaaT_ has quit IRC[00:21:09] *** cyrann has quit IRC[00:23:33] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[00:31:28] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[00:31:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[00:34:49] *** Stargater has quit IRC[00:35:28] *** acidx has joined #haiku[00:37:30] <AlienSoldier> Judgen you make me think i need to try Sargon III in vice eventually, just to compare how much intelligent i became after all those years, or if i declined :)[00:37:50] <Judgen> =)[00:39:07] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[00:39:08] <Stargater> re[00:40:26] <AlienSoldier> is it possible to install the haiku tracker in R5 yet? with the SVG and all. I have it compiled for R5 but i'm not sure what would need to be installed.[00:40:41] *** kr1stof_ has joined #haiku[00:41:09] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[00:41:18] *** kr1stof_ is now known as kr1stof[00:41:19] <AlienSoldier> the deskbar see to work at least as a drop in[00:41:24] <AlienSoldier> *seem[00:41:37] <axeld> AlienSoldier: the R5 build does not include vector icons[00:42:25] *** tigerdog has quit IRC[00:42:29] <AlienSoldier> axeld: as in no support for them or just not including them?[00:43:35] *** oco has quit IRC[00:43:41] *** tigerdog has joined #haiku[00:44:33] <axeld> AlienSoldier: it's not compiled in when you build it for R5, so it won't work. Stippi has built a custom version of it that supports them, though - on his desktop alone ATM :-)[00:45:21] <AlienSoldier> hehe, yes ok, that was why i was asking, i knew about Stippi secret weapons :)[00:46:09] <AlienSoldier> small icon on hi res monitor really start to get tiny[00:46:43] *** ThomHolwerda has quit IRC[00:50:09] *** tigerdog has quit IRC[00:52:04] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[00:54:06] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[00:55:49] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[01:03:21] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[01:04:29] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[01:13:30] *** kr1stof has left #haiku[01:15:03] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[01:22:17] *** aldeck has quit IRC[01:30:27] *** axeld has quit IRC[01:33:52] <Stargater> reboot[01:33:57] *** Stargater has quit IRC[01:35:25] *** korli has quit IRC[01:39:14] *** stargater has joined #haiku[01:39:18] <stargater> re[01:41:39] *** cyrann has joined #haiku[01:42:11] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[01:42:22] <pyCube> wootenheimer![01:43:38] * pyCube received a new shipment of teas[01:54:22] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[02:08:28] *** cyrann has quit IRC[02:09:52] *** JamesB192 has joined #haiku[02:18:10] <AlienSoldier> pyCube you in tea import-export now?[02:19:19] <pyCube> heh.. no. I just like to drink it... try all kinds of different varieties[02:35:04] * Hodapp slips in the contents of a Lipton teabag while pyCube isn't looking[02:35:45] <pyCube> hehe[02:37:22] * Hodapp throws the shipment of teas into a lake and makes some joke about tea parties[02:37:53] <pyCube> good thing i live in the desert[02:53:39] *** aphedox has joined #haiku[03:06:26] <Hodapp> you damn cheater[03:06:29] <Hodapp> you KNEW it was a mirage[03:10:42] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[03:12:08] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[03:21:37] *** acidx has quit IRC[03:22:40] *** jerbai has joined #haiku[03:24:18] *** jerbai has quit IRC[03:37:42] <Judgen> hmm[03:37:59] <Judgen> hehe ive been playing chess for many hours now, how silly of me[03:39:36] *** M_199 has joined #haiku[03:53:44] *** Master199 has quit IRC[04:00:32] <Hodapp> Judgen: I once played my best game of chess while half-asleep... was in bed playing on my Palm to help me fall asleep[04:00:57] <Judgen> i used to that alot before i lost my charger[04:01:07] <Judgen> i also played alot of soduku on the palm[04:01:46] <Hodapp> do you have a USB cable? that can charge it... sometimes[04:04:10] *** nilst has quit IRC[04:08:16] <Judgen> nah, i have a lifedrive, i need both the usb cable and the charger, but the usb cable dont have to be in the computer to charge it[04:15:25] *** JamesB192 has quit IRC[04:26:29] *** jevin has joined #haiku[04:26:52] <pyCube> i played a lot of chess when i was a kid.. but i cant play it anymore.. bores me to death[04:27:11] *** jevin has quit IRC[04:27:18] *** jevin has joined #haiku[04:32:14] <Hodapp> pyCube: I played it some too, but I didn't care enough to progress too far[04:32:55] <Hodapp> got 2nd place in the chess tournament at school... that's about it.[04:33:12] <pyCube> it just sems like when i get talked into a game of chess, I do everythign i can to get it over with as soon as possible[04:33:30] <pyCube> complete lack of interest[04:33:31] <pyCube> heh[04:33:36] <Hodapp> losing to the 2-move checkmate is always fun[04:33:59] <pyCube> honestly, i enjoy checkers a lot more[04:34:04] <Hodapp> I want to learn Go[04:35:47] <pyCube> i'd rather do something else.. heh[04:37:47] <pyCube> the only games i find myself playing lately are silly mindless things like solitare and mine sweeper variants[04:39:00] <Judgen> hodapp three move you mean[04:39:09] <Judgen> its impossible to do mate in two moves[04:39:12] <pyCube> and cat taunting[04:39:23] <Judgen> you haveev to move a peaseant, a queen and a runner[04:39:48] <Judgen> im playing java soduku right now =)[04:40:05] <Judgen> im not really into games with flash graphics[04:40:22] <Hodapp> Judgen: what is a "runner"?[04:40:42] <Hodapp> I'm used to whatever American/British terms I was taught on[04:40:48] <Judgen> listening to webradio (reggae) and playing soduku and drinking carbonated water is fine with me for an evening[04:40:56] <Judgen> Hodapp: sometimes called bishop[04:41:05] <Judgen> Judgen: depending on where youre from[04:41:09] <Hodapp> ah[04:41:31] <pyCube> hehe[04:41:42] <pyCube> ya know.. them althete bishops[04:42:07] <Judgen> yeah can run across the whole board in one turn.. maybe their posessed by the holy spirit[04:42:29] <pyCube> bishops in a running race sounds very monty python[04:43:21] <Hodapp> Judgen: do you call the castle-looking thingies "rooks", and the horse-looking thingies "knights"?[04:43:42] <Judgen> runner, towers, and horses[04:43:59] <Judgen> pawns is called peaseants[04:44:14] <Hodapp> ah. all my books from the 70's referred to pieces as pawns, knights, bishops, rooks, queens, kings[04:44:34] <Judgen> Hodapp: maybe its only in the scandinavian countries we call them that[04:44:50] <Hodapp> Maybe. I dunno.[04:44:55] <Judgen> but i know some russians that ive played used the same expression[04:45:31] <Hodapp> As long as the notation is consistent, it doesn't matter much[04:46:09] <Judgen> we should invent a new one called "stalin orchestra" and only we can use it =) shoot 400 rickets a minute =)[04:46:22] <Judgen> rockets[04:46:33] <Judgen> like the ones they used in the cold war in afghanistan[04:46:45] <Judgen> hehe[04:48:13] <Hodapp> Judgen: have a board in front of you? I'll show you the checkmate I was talking about[04:48:29] <Judgen> hodapp it cant be done in two moves, you need three[04:48:30] <Hodapp> simulated or otherwise[04:48:35] *** kokito has quit IRC[04:48:38] <Judgen> sure i got a board[04:49:08] <Hodapp> white: pawn to F4[04:49:10] <Hodapp> black: pawn to E5[04:49:20] <Hodapp> white: pawn to G4[04:49:26] <Hodapp> black: queen to H4[04:49:37] <Hodapp> whether that's 2 moves or 4, I don't know[04:49:42] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[04:50:53] <Judgen> its two, but nobody is that stupid[04:51:02] <Judgen> the three moves one is alot better[04:51:03] <Hodapp> you said it couldn't be done in two :P[04:51:12] <Hodapp> and in all truth, I did once see someone lose to the 2-move[04:52:06] <Hodapp> anyhow, what's your 3-move?[04:54:45] <Judgen> Wpawn e4,Bpawn e5,WBishop c4, Bpawn anywhere except f6. Queen either f3 or e5 depending on if a pawn has been placed in f5. any black move except g6. then take with queen the pawn. Mate[04:54:50] <Judgen> its actually four moves[04:54:53] <Hodapp> pffft[04:55:16] <Judgen> but its a little harder to prevent than the two moves =)[04:55:54] <Judgen> can be done even if someone does guard. takes a little longer though, as long as the pieces next to the king isnt moved[04:55:59] <Hodapp> my deal was that I almost always moved the knights out and prevented many of the checkmates like that[04:56:30] <Hodapp> ...and half the time I'd be trying to do some cheap checkmate like that anyway[04:56:39] <Judgen> hehe[04:57:35] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[04:58:37] <Hodapp> one I got away with many times was putting a queen on F7, protected by a knight at G5 or E5[04:59:36] <Judgen> i freaking hate horses... jumping over stuff.. ill gladly sacrifice a bishop to get rid of a good players horse[05:00:19] <Hodapp> or if I wanted to be a pain in the ass, I'd put the knight at F7 protected by a queen somewhere on F or at B3 or H6, and then take their queen or rook and drag the game out[05:01:54] <Judgen> hehe[05:02:12] <Judgen> something that pisses people off is when they are forced into a draw[05:02:14] <Judgen> hehe[05:03:07] *** NeoOokami has quit IRC[05:04:15] <Judgen> Hodapp: have you played the chess included in osx?[05:04:32] <Judgen> Hodapp: i bet a 10yr old can beat it at hardest[05:04:53] <Hodapp> let me try it out[05:04:57] <Judgen> maybe has to a bit of gifted child but still[05:06:42] <Judgen> haha fun song this, he sings "all i asked of my mother was to give me ANYTHING i need to be happy" =P[05:06:55] <Judgen> rastafaris sometimes has smoked too much pot[05:08:31] <Judgen> Hodapp: tried chessmaster btw? now those guys in the end is extremly hard[05:10:05] <Hodapp> I used to run Chessmaster 3000 on a 486... my dad beat it maybe twice, out of like 300 games[05:10:05] <pyCube> speaking of pot.. i just re-found a bunch of tracks from my band in the mid-90's[05:11:37] <pyCube> weird rambling improv music-like conversations bewteen some people that liked to poke fun at music[05:17:32] <Judgen> hehe[05:53:09] *** echelog` has joined #haiku[05:53:10] *** echelog` is now known as echelog[05:53:51] *** Mazon has quit IRC[05:54:13] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[06:06:28] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[06:06:42] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[06:07:38] <Begasus> morning peeps[06:25:26] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[06:30:32] *** jevin has quit IRC[07:39:58] *** rennj has joined #haiku[08:30:33] *** cyrann has joined #haiku[08:34:56] *** Begasus has quit IRC[08:40:11] *** magnetron has joined #haiku[08:48:30] <plfiorini> moin[09:01:29] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:09:33] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[09:09:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBurton[09:19:05] * JonathanThompson wonders what happened to the messages from CIA[09:20:52] *** JonathanThompson has left #Haiku[09:21:20] *** JonathanThompson has joined #Haiku[09:25:23] <JBurton> the CIA bot died[09:26:15] <JonathanThompson> It appears that's true :([09:26:20] <JBurton> also the mailing list is acting strangely[09:26:38] <JBurton> I don't get mails for a while, then a couple of mails all at once[09:26:45] <JBurton> and I know I'm not the only one[09:26:55] * JonathanThompson wonders how long before JBurton starts acting strangely[09:27:00] <JBurton> too late[09:27:01] <JBurton> :)[09:27:16] <JonathanThompson> That's right: you've been stuck working on BMenu code :)[09:28:41] <JBurton> yeah[09:29:00] <JBurton> that's a thing which can drive a man crazy[09:29:23] <JonathanThompson> Makes you wonder what was going through the heads of the first Be people to come up with it.[09:29:44] <JBurton> oh btw... I sent my CV to some company which I was interested to work for... and they I found out they are looking for a VB programmer[09:29:47] <JBurton> O_o[09:30:08] * JonathanThompson hands JBurton a book on mastering VB[09:30:12] <JBurton> and I sorta lost all the interest[09:30:29] <JonathanThompson> Hey, it's a little like C++ :P[09:30:37] <JBurton> well I don't think VB is hard, that's not the problem[09:30:53] <JBurton> I used to write in basic (not VB though) in my younger years :P[09:30:58] <JBurton> but the question is[09:31:14] <JBurton> am I ready to dive into the crappiness of VB code ?[09:31:14] <JonathanThompson> I understand that one.... I mastered BASIC back in the days that line numbers roamed the earth :P[09:31:14] <JBurton> :P[09:31:40] <JBurton> ahhhhh 20 goto 10[09:31:48] * JonathanThompson remembers when such utilities as "renumber" had a use[09:32:56] <JonathanThompson> I also once remember seeing at the GMF Robotics plant a robot control program in BASIC that had like 65,000 lines.... no space betrween line numbers left![09:33:26] <JBurton> O_o[09:34:46] * JonathanThompson sees JBurton boggles at the thought of that much spaghetti[09:34:58] <JonathanThompson> Well, ok, perhaps it used a lot of subroutines...[09:35:08] <JBurton> well... I guess you are familiar with lines like "13 if foo goto 21"[09:35:09] <JBurton> :P[09:35:21] <JBurton> you usually started with "10.. 20... 30"[09:35:30] <JonathanThompson> That was the typical practice.[09:35:31] <JBurton> then after a while you had to insert a "15"[09:35:34] <JBurton> then... etc[09:35:35] <JBurton> :P[09:35:57] <JonathanThompson> Due to menory constraints, I typically had about as many statements on a single line as the line length allowed :)[09:36:04] <JBurton> well I think I still have some QBasic code around, which controls some programmable lights on the parallel port[09:36:18] <JBurton> spaghetti to the extreme[09:36:21] <JonathanThompson> I didn't have consistent access to a PC until out of high school.[09:36:32] <JonathanThompson> So, I mastered BASIC on the Apple 2 series :)[09:36:50] <JBurton> I had an 8086 with 720 kb ram, IIRC[09:37:19] <JBurton> but started using QBasic only with a 286, since it required 7mb on the hard drive[09:37:41] <JBurton> before I used a weird version called "MCLBasic"[09:39:51] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[09:40:04] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:40:48] <JBurton> JonathanThompson I remember I made that progrmammable lights program for a new year's eve's fest[09:41:12] <JonathanThompson> Ah, those were the goold old days :P[09:41:26] * JonathanThompson wonders what's become of his spelling/typing tonight[09:41:38] <JBurton> it had a bad bug: since it used the clock to calculate the timing, when the clock passed from 23.59 to 00.00, next day, the app hanged[09:41:39] <JBurton> :)[09:41:59] <JBurton> luckily (but i dont' know why), I tested this before "releasing"[09:42:00] <JonathanThompson> Ok, so you unintentionally programmed a time bomb :P[09:42:52] <JBurton> and I worked around that problem by checking the time in the app loop, and when 23.58 approached, I made my app launch another app which made a different thing, without the clock check :P[09:43:25] <JBurton> eeh[09:43:31] <JBurton> THAT was cool[09:43:50] <JBurton> then I also started another app to control some fixed-step electrical motor[09:43:51] <JonathanThompson> And thus began your bad hack habit :P[09:43:53] <JBurton> eheh[09:43:54] <JBurton> yeah[09:43:55] <JBurton> indeed[09:44:12] <JBurton> but that one was never finished[09:44:16] <JonathanThompson> Oh, that reminds me of a funny thing related to my current employment with yahoo under contract.[09:44:29] <JonathanThompson> They've just moved to larger, temporary quarters downtown Bellevue...[09:44:55] <JonathanThompson> In 3 months, they'll be in the building next to it on the 6th floor, instead of the current one (owned by the same company) on the first floor...[09:45:10] <JonathanThompson> The other tenant on the first floor of the current building? "The Hacker Group"[09:45:24] <JBurton> O_O[09:45:45] <JonathanThompson> Some things I just can't make up...[09:46:22] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[09:50:36] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[09:51:03] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[09:51:26] *** stargater has joined #haiku[09:51:36] <stargater> moin[09:52:08] <JBurton> hi stargater, emitrax[09:52:08] <stargater> JBurton: you work on haiku terminal app ?[09:52:09] <plfiorini> hi stargater![09:52:13] <JBurton> Darknesss[09:52:16] <plfiorini> hi JBurton[09:52:19] <JBurton> stargater yes, although not lately[09:52:20] <JBurton> hi plfiorini[09:52:22] <JBurton> ![09:52:23] <plfiorini> hi emitrax[09:52:25] <emitrax> morning[09:52:42] <stargater> JBurton: i have a simple addon write, he start a terminal[09:52:57] <stargater> /boot/home only[09:53:28] <stargater> my question is , can terminal args argv in constructor form terminal ?[09:53:47] <stargater> terminal /home/xyz/xx/yy/[09:54:35] <JBurton> hmmm[09:54:47] <stargater> or it is too hard to code[09:54:50] <JBurton> yeah it should be possible[09:55:01] <JBurton> oh wait[09:55:21] <JBurton> actually, when you pass a commandline to the terminal, it tries to execute the command at that location[09:55:38] <JBurton> i.e. Terminal gdb[09:55:41] <JBurton> it starts gdb[09:57:23] <stargater> hm not good, i think we need a methode constructor Terminal::Terminal(const char* path) {..};[09:59:34] *** frodobeg25 has quit IRC[10:00:40] <kad77> hmm, the maintainer of gnu make seems to be on semi-permanent location[10:00:47] <kad77> erm, vacation[10:01:03] <JonathanThompson> That's an interesting typing error :)[10:01:03] <JBurton> there was such a thing, stargater but got removed because it's simpler to pass around argv vector[10:01:26] <kad77> I think I've been at the terminal too long. ;)[10:01:30] <JonathanThompson> Are you tired, kad77? :)[10:02:00] <kad77> seriously, none of the bugs submitted to gnu's svannah tracker for make have been assigned for *two years*[10:02:21] <JonathanThompson> Apparently they aren't important enough to worry about :)[10:02:39] <kad77> I just transferred my haiku build over to a new linux box, and make is broken, thus the comments[10:03:26] <JonathanThompson> I have an ugly theory as to why it hasn't been updated for bugs: too many things to mention may depend on those bugs existing.[10:03:40] <JonathanThompson> There's far more of that sort of thing happening in real life than you'd like to think.[10:03:43] <kad77> I am gettign this 'makeinfo' not found ... if you are seeing this you may have a spurious error from a buggy make ... etc[10:03:52] <JBurton> kad77 on ubuntu ?[10:03:58] <kad77> no, arch[10:04:01] <JBurton> anyway[10:04:04] <kad77> make 3.81-2[10:04:08] <JBurton> yo need makeinfo :)[10:04:11] <JBurton> AFAIR[10:04:19] <kad77> i have it installed of course[10:05:03] <kad77> JT: one bug was behaviour that changed post make 3.79 that could not be explained, the comments point out the error, but nobody assigns the bugs. or responds![10:05:42] * JonathanThompson notes the sailing of the GNU Ghost Chip[10:05:54] <JBurton> JonathanThompson seen the article on PCC ?[10:06:02] <JBurton> looks interesting, no ?[10:06:02] <JonathanThompson> OSNews today? Yes.[10:06:13] <JBurton> oh well let's talk later[10:06:15] <kad77> yeah, its from 1975[10:06:16] <JBurton> coffee break time[10:06:32] * JonathanThompson looks strangely at kad77[10:06:47] <IcePic> kad77: it does work. Not 100%, but mostly.[10:06:55] <kad77> PCC? its for PDP-11 ... same compiler, just expanded by a college student[10:06:58] * IcePic is involved in obsd, so I've tried PCC some.[10:07:03] <kad77> I posted his homepage on the first PCC article[10:08:28] <kad77> can someone with a working build enviroment give me there version of make?[10:08:56] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[10:09:56] *** smooki has joined #haiku[10:10:02] <smooki> hi[10:10:12] <smooki> hey many people here that's great[10:12:58] <stargater> :-) everydays[10:13:12] <JonathanThompson> It's actually somewhat lighter than I've seen it recently.[10:15:34] <smooki> no more alone :)[10:21:21] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[11:15:48] *** rennj has quit IRC[11:27:05] <pyCube> yep[11:27:49] <smooki> iep[11:28:03] <pyCube> ee-eh-p[11:28:20] <smooki> yo dude[11:28:41] <pyCube> heh.. hi[11:28:53] <smooki> yiiihaaa[11:30:16] <pyCube> ya.. totally[11:34:23] *** myrkraverk has joined #haiku[11:34:26] <myrkraverk> hi all ;)[11:34:40] <smooki> hi[11:35:29] *** stargater has quit IRC[11:39:08] <JBurton> re[11:39:11] <JBurton> JonathanThompson still around ?[11:42:25] <myrkraverk> is it possible to use the haiku video driver for beos in qemu?[11:43:08] <JBurton> which video driver ?[11:43:23] <JBurton> I mean which card does qemu emulate ?[11:43:40] <JBurton> anyway in theory you can use any haiku video driver, but you need to recompile it for beos[11:43:46] *** Euver has joined #haiku[11:44:03] <myrkraverk> ok, just a sec[11:44:18] <myrkraverk> or, how do I see what video driver haiku is using?[11:46:08] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[11:46:24] <JBurton> hmm good question[11:46:29] <JBurton> try ls /dev/graphics[11:46:34] <JBurton> on the commandline[11:46:52] <myrkraverk> it says "vesa" ;)[11:48:11] <JBurton> then it's vesaq[11:48:13] <JBurton> vesa[11:48:14] <JBurton> :)[11:48:26] <myrkraverk> ;)[11:48:33] <MrSunshine_> ;)[11:52:30] *** DmitryM has quit IRC[11:54:32] <MrSunshine_> dammit, why is it only posible to send messages to other apps and not get their pointers :P[11:55:53] <myrkraverk> you have a *pointer* to an app?[11:57:56] <MrSunshine_> i want to have it so i can get to the views and copy them :)[11:58:32] <MrSunshine_> gah vmx builder wont let me use psychical drive as harddisk[12:00:59] <JBurton> because the pointers are in a different process[12:05:57] <myrkraverk> what happened to mmu_mans ssh port to beos? do you ppl know?[12:06:30] <myrkraverk> oh, and, isn't haiku binary compatible with r5?[12:07:08] <MrSunshine_> aye[12:07:21] <myrkraverk> great ;)[12:07:50] *** Judgen has left #haiku[12:12:15] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[12:16:26] <smooki> using Qemu to run haiku, how can I get qemu acceleration activated please ?[12:17:18] * myrkraverk would like to know too (and what qemu acceleration is)[12:18:05] <JBurton> kqemu you mean ?[12:18:12] <IcePic> kqemu is a way to make qemu faster.[12:18:15] <JBurton> AFAIK you can't[12:18:28] <JBurton> there are some issues with kqemu and haiku[12:18:29] <smooki> ya it says something about kqemu[12:18:33] <smooki> ok[12:18:40] <JBurton> smooki under which OS ?[12:18:41] <JBurton> beos ?[12:18:44] <smooki> haiku[12:18:59] <JBurton> qemu under haiku which emulates haiku ?[12:19:04] <myrkraverk> smooki, you're running qemu in haiku to run haiku?[12:19:17] <JBurton> :)[12:20:00] <smooki> lol[12:20:34] <smooki> I use qemu with haiku as guest os[12:20:47] <smooki> qemu runs on haiku ?[12:21:21] <IcePic> smooki: it might help if you didnt answer yes/no questions with "lol". 8-/[12:21:51] <smooki> ?[12:21:56] <JBurton> smooki ok but which is is the host os smooki ?[12:21:59] <IcePic> *plonk*[12:22:05] <smooki> xp[12:22:09] <JBurton> ah ok[12:22:11] <smooki> shame :)[12:22:14] <JBurton> and you can't run vmware instead?[12:22:17] <JBurton> it's way faster[12:22:27] <smooki> well I'll try with vmware then[12:22:36] <JBurton> yeah vmware player or server[12:22:46] <JBurton> trust me it's much much much faster[12:23:23] <myrkraverk> yay, now I have both color and network in r5 under qemu ;)[12:23:36] <myrkraverk> (wonder why network didn't work yesterday)[12:24:28] <JBurton> well myrkraverk yesterday it was monday[12:24:35] <JBurton> it's perfectly understandable[12:24:41] <myrkraverk> ah, ok ;)[12:24:42] <JBurton> :)[12:24:50] <JBurton> I mean don't you always feel bad on mondays ? :P[12:25:23] <smooki> JBurton: I believe you cause it's slow on qemu :P[12:25:29] <myrkraverk> no, only when I feel bad on mondays ;)[12:25:43] *** plfiorini_ has joined #haiku[12:26:03] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[12:26:05] *** plfiorini_ is now known as plfiorini[12:28:44] *** Euver has quit IRC[12:30:42] <JBurton> bbl lunch[12:34:11] <myrkraverk> hmm, I like all the apps in Max ;)[12:42:31] <myrkraverk> erm, does beos have an nfsmount?[12:47:01] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[12:55:54] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[13:02:59] *** lorglas has quit IRC[13:03:15] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[13:04:56] *** lorglas has quit IRC[13:05:43] *** emitrax has quit IRC[13:14:03] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[13:14:05] <plfiorini> qemu with kqemu seems better than vmware, not faster but stable[13:14:12] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[13:25:06] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[13:27:36] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[13:34:34] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[13:41:55] <JBurton> re[13:45:59] <plfiorini> sgrunt, who knows if perl will build natively on haiku this time[13:47:48] <JBurton> :)[13:47:55] <JBurton> what do you need perl for plfiorini ?[13:48:51] <plfiorini> autocancer tools[13:48:57] <IcePic> pl: =)[13:49:17] <plfiorini> i would like to rebuild some configure scripts in other programs, let's say pkg-config, sqlite, ...[13:49:38] <plfiorini> maybe i can do some haiku poetry in perl on haiku :P[13:50:52] <JBurton> eheh[13:50:55] <JBurton> right they need perl[13:51:14] <plfiorini> they need a whole lot more, for example patience[13:51:44] <IcePic> plfiorini: "patience" is already ported to Haiku. 8^D[13:51:52] <plfiorini> IcePic: :)[13:52:06] * plfiorini wonder how the pingwinek guy ported all that stuff[13:52:36] <plfiorini> for example perl already builds on beos, but i've done a haiku specific hint file because r5 and haiku are not the same[13:52:51] <plfiorini> for example all the socket stuff which is missing on beos[14:02:36] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[14:12:51] <smooki> so I can't use kqemu for haiku as guest os ?[14:13:02] <JBurton> exactly[14:13:35] <JBurton> http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/369/[14:13:36] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[14:13:37] <JBurton> er[14:13:38] <JBurton> sorry[14:15:31] <JBurton> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/748[14:15:35] <JBurton> smooki[14:16:36] <smooki> yeah[14:16:57] <smooki> but they say it's only on linux host os issue don't they ?[14:18:01] <JBurton> the problem's not the host[14:18:06] <JBurton> it's the guest[14:18:56] <smooki> ok sorry[14:20:49] <JBurton> np[14:23:24] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[14:23:41] *** lorglas has quit IRC[14:30:09] *** wallone has joined #haiku[14:30:19] <wallone> hi[14:38:01] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[14:46:06] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[15:02:53] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[15:03:49] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[15:17:29] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[15:26:21] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[15:26:21] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[15:49:35] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[15:55:07] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[16:07:00] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[16:18:15] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[16:20:01] *** Begasus has quit IRC[16:30:02] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:30:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[16:35:46] <MrSunshine> are there any plans on changing toolchain from gcc some day? :)[16:35:46] <MrSunshine> to like ? .. llvm ?[16:36:39] <pyCube> why?[16:36:57] <MrSunshine> cause gcc is a mess :)[16:37:00] <IcePic> perhaps one should let llvm get into a state where it works by itself first, as opposed to a frontend for gcc.[16:37:22] <IcePic> I know part of llvm is supposed to do that, really-soon-now. But still.[16:37:53] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[16:37:58] <mmu_man> pcc ? :[16:37:59] <mmu_man> :D[16:38:08] <mmu_man> MrSunshine not in the near future[16:38:37] <IcePic> ppc doesn't do PIC code yet, so shared-libraries might be an issue there.[16:38:42] <mmu_man> it shouldn't be too hard anyway, mostly re#defining the _PACKED and friends[16:38:52] <pyCube> you sure the urge to leave gcc isnt really just about rms?[16:40:22] <mmu_man> GPLv3 fear ?[16:41:08] * IcePic is sure obsds reasons arent.[16:41:38] <pyCube> isnt gpl fear usually more about rms than anythign else?[16:42:02] <IcePic> gplv3 is _really_ interresting when it comes to defining how it will taint "distributions".[16:42:27] <IcePic> will gplv3 taint if it is distributed in the same svn repo, on the same cd and so on?[16:42:31] <pyCube> taint is a rather negatively connoted way of putting it[16:43:05] <JBurton> mmu_man yeah pcc looks interesting[16:43:15] <JBurton> at least I hope they'll keep the code clean an separated[16:43:43] <IcePic> pyCube: Feel free to invent another verb for having its license apply to stuff "nearby". ;)[16:46:42] <pyCube> curious though.. what do people that fear gpl really think the motive of fsf/rms is?[16:46:49] <JBurton> too bad a simple "C" compiler is useless for haiku[16:47:02] <JBurton> I mean we couldn't even compile the kernel anymore with it[16:48:09] <mmu_man> yeah, building gcc for 68k is painful[16:50:29] <smooki> question of the day : when is R1 supposed to be released ?[16:50:35] <pyCube> hehe[16:50:40] <smooki> :)[16:50:56] <DeadYak> when it's done[16:51:10] <DeadYak> ;)[16:51:55] <smooki> :O[16:52:15] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[16:52:24] <pyCube> i hope a lot of time isnt spent with r1.. i mean, get it out and whatnot, but quickly springboard off to post-90's/beos-ness[16:52:25] <IcePic> pyCube: is there a way to not whole-heartedly agree with fsf/rms/gpl and still not "fear" it?[16:52:30] <smooki> when it's released, it gona thow buzz[16:52:56] * smooki 's english sux sorry[16:53:11] *** stippi has joined #haiku[16:53:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[16:54:16] <mmu_man> plop[16:54:20] <smooki> snort[16:54:22] <pyCube> IcePic: i dunno.. i would assume so. i am more just sorta talking about the very common knee-jerk, wig out over rms' philosophical views thing[16:55:43] *** magnetron has quit IRC[16:55:51] *** stippi has quit IRC[16:57:31] *** pyCube has quit IRC[17:08:09] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[17:08:39] <kad77> anyone successful building cross-tools with gcc 4.2.x?[17:17:19] <mmu_man> kad77 for ppc ?[17:17:33] <mmu_man> in linux I had to svn up to an older rev of binutils[17:17:50] <kad77> no, I moved haiku builds to a new distro -- having problems[17:18:01] <mmu_man> it's not because of gcc4 I think, I tried with gcc3 and it didn't work either[17:18:10] <kad77> hmm, good to know[17:18:29] <kad77> strangely, I built this exact buildtools rev with gcc 4.1.2 on opensuse[17:18:30] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[17:19:11] <mmu_man> odd[17:19:21] <kad77> to eliminate 'make' I just built gnu make from svn, and get same error during configure[17:19:36] <IcePic> make isnt really involved when running configure[17:20:43] <kad77> makes a complaint about 'makeinfo' (which is installed an works) not existing, and then says to check for a buggy make, which I did. can't tell why from the log it is dying, just dies in binutils like you mentioned.[17:21:09] <kad77> icepic: i think the haiku configure script invokes make[17:21:43] <mmu_man> makeinfo has nothing to do with make[17:22:05] <kad77> mmu_man: now that you mention binutils, that is exactly where I am dying. maybe we have found a bug in current revision? I would like to track it further[17:22:21] <kad77> makeinfo is for .texi files, i know[17:24:11] *** JBurton has quit IRC[17:27:13] <mmu_man> try svn up -r20227 binutils/[17:27:16] *** magnetron has joined #haiku[17:27:19] <kad77> hmm, nothing has changes in binutils gcc4 or legacy in months. maybe I am having a host problem[17:27:25] <kad77> mmu_man: ok, trying[17:27:33] <mmu_man> but maybe that was only for ppc[17:28:01] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[17:29:15] <kad77> I am getting same stopping point whether or not I am building legacy or gcc4[17:29:44] <mmu_man> hmm you could they try to install gcc3[17:29:54] <mmu_man> and use something like[17:30:14] <mmu_man> CC=gcc-3.1 CXX=gcc-3.1 ./configure ...[17:30:16] <kad77> hey, your svn up restored bfd.info and bfd dir, which is where I started to have problems.[17:31:01] <kad77> mmu_man: will try different gcc next. Would like to find problem though, I am experimentign with the llvm i was talking about[17:31:19] <mmu_man> eh[17:31:20] <kad77> it has gcc 4.0.1 and gcc 4.2 frontends, so I will hit the same errors. rather sort them now[17:31:52] <kad77> well, not llvm for inital build. I need to restore a working environment before I go back to my new script[17:31:54] <mmu_man> ah so it wasn't gcc :P[17:32:30] <kad77> no, I spoke imprecisely. llvm is what I'm tryingto get back to working on. I am having trouble with a 'vanilla' environment[17:33:56] <mmu_man> ok[17:34:48] <kad77> anyways, I'm not sure this is a gcc error at all. it's the config script that is choking. it does reference not finding 'makinfo', so may need to research that. it is in $PATH. Also, teh script says you don't really need it, but dies anyway. :p[17:35:11] <mmu_man> it shouldn't need it[17:35:32] <kad77> are you using make 3.81? or 3.80?[17:40:30] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:46:00] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[18:03:48] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[18:03:59] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[18:04:43] *** genkie has joined #haiku[18:17:15] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[18:18:15] <AlienSoldier> humm, i wonder why BeOS see Scroll Loack as a typeable character, kinda bad when using a KVM switcher, hope it does not in haiku.[18:18:23] <AlienSoldier> *Scroll Lock[18:22:13] <AlienSoldier> seem it's not system wide, renaming a file in tracker block that[18:24:18] <AlienSoldier> there is another company named Be? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/16/be_still_exposed/[18:27:43] <plfiorini> "....since then have received Be Boxes with the updated firmware on....."[18:28:07] <plfiorini> Be, Boxes in the same phrase[18:28:58] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:30:50] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[18:31:44] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[18:32:03] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[18:33:41] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[18:33:58] <thaflo> hello[18:34:08] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[18:34:10] *** kokito has joined #haiku[18:34:17] <thaflo> MauriceK: hi :-)[18:34:30] <kokito> thaflo!! ;)[18:34:31] <MauriceK> hey thaflo :)[18:34:37] <kokito> hey MauriceK :)[18:34:46] <wallone> hey you two :)[18:34:53] <thaflo> kokito: hi !![18:34:54] <kokito> hi wallone[18:35:07] <MauriceK> wow, feels like old times here :D[18:35:07] <kokito> long time no see thaflo[18:35:08] <wallone> hi kokito[18:35:10] <kokito> hehe[18:35:47] * MauriceK just bought another USB harddisc... copying 100GB over my poor hub is no fun at all[18:36:19] <thaflo> kokito: right, I was more in the mountains then before the PC[18:36:55] <kokito> healthy choice, thaflo :)[18:37:03] <MauriceK> always read you blogs about it thaflo[18:37:19] <MauriceK> i think you have walked more than I did during the last 15 years :)[18:37:25] <thaflo> nice to hear, MauriceK :-)[18:37:56] <thaflo> I walked also more this year then all years before ... at least in the mountains :-)[18:38:11] *** smooki has left #haiku[18:38:31] <thaflo> but now I have problems compiling haiku ...[18:40:29] <thaflo> is Jerome Duval here?[18:41:25] *** Euver has joined #haiku[18:41:26] *** BePower has joined #haiku[18:42:50] *** BePower has quit IRC[18:46:13] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[18:46:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[18:48:06] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[18:49:59] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[18:51:42] *** thaflo has quit IRC[19:03:08] *** genkie has quit IRC[19:06:29] *** pyCube has quit IRC[19:07:52] *** TuneTracker has joined #Haiku[19:09:00] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[19:09:06] <TuneTracker> Does anyone know a reason why VLC player wouldn't function under BeOS Max?[19:09:22] * TuneTracker wonders if he's missing a library or something??[19:10:28] <TuneTracker> VLC launches and appears in the deskbar, but no player window.[19:10:50] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[19:12:57] <DeadYak> TuneTracker: that could possibly be an out of date library or something along those lines....was this version of vlc bundled or did you grab it on bebits or what?[19:17:15] <TuneTracker> DeadYak I *think* it is the one that comes with BeOS Max installation, though when that didn't work, I tried installing the one from BeBits.[19:17:30] <DeadYak> TuneTracker: tried running it from Terminal and see if it spits anything out? I'm not sure otherwise[19:21:11] *** pyCube has quit IRC[19:21:39] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[19:24:48] <pyCube> heh[19:25:07] *** brlcad has left #haiku[19:25:40] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[19:32:25] <MrSunshine> TuneTracker, thats how the latest versions has done for me also in my R5 ... and it eats almost all cpu[19:32:26] *** lorglas has quit IRC[19:36:21] <TuneTracker> If not VLC, what else can I use under BeOS Max (BeOS 5) that will play DVD video?[19:36:52] <DeadYak> I'm not aware of anything besides vlc that does DVD playback on BeOS offhand[19:36:54] <DeadYak> :/[19:36:59] <AlienSoldier> vlc is your better guess, and it should work, try to download it again[19:37:42] <AlienSoldier> are you sure you don't have a previously crashed vlc zombie?[19:38:30] <DeadYak> braaaaaaains[19:41:37] <TuneTracker> AlienSoldier DeadYak Here's what I get when I run it from the Terminal...[19:41:37] <TuneTracker> VLC media player 0.8.6 Janus[19:41:38] <TuneTracker> warning: your CPU has SSE instructions, but not your operating system.[19:41:38] <TuneTracker> some optimizations will be disabled unless you upgrade your OS[19:42:07] <TuneTracker> Maybe I need to use a different version of VLC?[19:42:23] <AlienSoldier> did you try 0.8.5 or 0.8.6c[19:42:48] <AlienSoldier> i use those 2 as some stuff are icky in one version or the other[19:42:59] <AlienSoldier> but ok when using both[19:43:17] <TuneTracker> AlienSoldier Does one or the other do better with DVDs?[19:43:55] <AlienSoldier> can't say, i never use DVD, don't even have one in the house other than the security one i got with my john deer tractor :)[19:44:56] <AlienSoldier> i think last time i did read a DVD i mounted the file system and simply played the VOB's[19:45:38] <AlienSoldier> you can also use a rip app and play that, longuer of course[19:46:05] * TuneTracker downloads 0.85[19:46:23] *** BePower has joined #haiku[19:46:56] * TuneTracker downloads 0.86c[19:49:01] <TuneTracker> 0.86c - same error[19:49:15] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[19:50:30] <AlienSoldier> TuneTracker same with DVD or any file (like a simple mp3 for exemple)[19:50:39] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:50:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[19:50:45] <TuneTracker> 0.62 works but 0.86 and 0.85 don't[19:50:51] <TuneTracker> Hi mmu_man![19:51:01] <TuneTracker> plop ;-)[19:51:21] <mmu_man> plop[19:51:30] <mmu_man> 'up TuneTracker[19:51:33] <mmu_man> btw, my local shop has some dual RS232 pci cards around[19:51:37] <mmu_man> MCS9835 based[19:51:51] <TuneTracker> mmu_man oooh.... :-)[19:51:54] <mmu_man> didn't find any reference in linux so not sure it's supporetd there though[19:51:57] <TuneTracker> Maybe we can solve that mystery even yet![19:53:02] <dr_evil> Save the cheerleader![19:53:18] <AlienSoldier> TuneTracker maybe it's related to that genuine intel / authantic AMD thing[19:53:26] <TuneTracker> AlienSoldier ah maybe.[19:53:37] <TuneTracker> btw...0.72 works as well[19:53:41] <TuneTracker> That seems to be the cutoff.[19:53:43] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[19:53:51] <AlienSoldier> i never got SSE problem with VLC, sometime lib problem but thats it[19:54:17] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[19:54:45] <mmu_man> dr_evil hey, my local shop also has some SATA PCI cards... hmm Sunix 2100[19:54:54] <AlienSoldier> i can't say recompile it as it's a pain, you should ask MYOB about it[19:55:06] <mmu_man> something like http://www.anitec.ca/product/5796/sunix_sata_2100_2_channel_serial_ata_raid_controller/[19:55:20] <dr_evil> mmu_man the root problem of all IDE problems in haiku lies in the device manager and ide bus manager[19:55:25] <mmu_man> did you even try pci cards yet ?[19:55:38] *** M199 has joined #haiku[19:55:48] <mmu_man> there you go, buy some aspirin then[19:55:52] <dr_evil> yes I've got silison image and promise based sata cards, too[19:56:26] <dr_evil> silicon[20:01:10] <kad77> dr_evil: i just got a jmicron jmb363 pcie sata raid card for under $20 - newegg[20:01:53] <kad77> the one I got hada rom instead of flash, so no irmware updates though.. don't buy bytecc brand[20:02:17] *** Euver has quit IRC[20:03:11] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man: i installed haiku show image in my R5. when i did try to assign it to "image" in file type it said that app is not made to accept that "do you want to force it". Is that normal (in any case forcing make it work), what/how app do to register the thing they can do?[20:04:11] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier depends how you built it (linux ?)[20:04:28] <mmu_man> try to run it once, maybe that will set the attributes from the resources[20:04:36] <mmu_man> maybe it lacks teh resource that tells so[20:04:57] <AlienSoldier> i did build it from R5-Bone as R5-Bone as target[20:05:12] <mmu_man> resource file_types message { "types" = "image" };[20:05:15] <mmu_man> it should work[20:07:26] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:07:33] <dr_evil> kad77 how many ports?[20:07:53] *** M_199 has quit IRC[20:08:01] <dr_evil> kad77 do you have a link?[20:11:35] *** meisje has joined #haiku[20:12:06] *** meisje has quit IRC[20:14:40] <kad77> one sec, i'll look at order history[20:15:09] <kad77> it was two external and two internal, plus PAAT. you had to use jumpers to select internal or external sata ports, kinda useful[20:15:58] <kad77> this was it, sorry it was actually around $30. works well, though[20:15:59] <kad77> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815283005[20:17:06] <kad77> if you aren't partial to having two sets of ports, try and find a jmicron spec board with a flashable firmware, imo. not that there is anything wrong, but its always nice to have the option, right?[20:21:42] <dr_evil> that doesn't seem to be available in germany[20:22:32] *** Judgen has joined #haiku[20:22:51] <Judgen> how do i shut down an virtual machine in vmware fusion. I can only find suspend[20:22:54] <Judgen> how silly[20:23:03] <DeadYak> Judgen: shut down the OS[20:23:12] <Judgen> haiku cant be shut down[20:23:19] <Judgen> just says, now its safe to reboot[20:23:41] <DeadYak> dunno, I just closed VMWare after picking shut down and that seemed to work fine[20:24:23] *** alpha-li1n has joined #haiku[20:25:49] <Judgen> if i try that it ask me if i want to suspend or continue to use it[20:27:00] *** rdmr has quit IRC[20:27:31] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[20:27:45] *** lorglas has quit IRC[20:30:39] *** Ingenu_ has joined #Haiku[20:32:19] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[20:32:49] *** Judgen has quit IRC[20:32:52] <AlienSoldier> looking fo a place to store my cmedia diver config panel, any special place for that or does including it in normal tracker "preference" is the "standard"?[20:32:56] <kad77> dr_evil search for a controller with JMB363, yu will get the same thing essentially. that same jmicron chip is used on a lot of motherboards, so it is worth supporting in haiku. imo[20:33:25] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[20:33:40] <kad77> mmu_main: you around?[20:34:37] <myrkraverk> kad77, aparently not ;-P[20:36:14] <kad77> yeah, I had an update. i'll catch him l8r[20:38:41] *** genkie has joined #haiku[20:42:56] *** alpha-lion has quit IRC[20:45:12] <dr_evil> kad77 just to end the confusion, I already have a motherboard with jmb363 chip, and I wrote the haiku ahci driver to support it. but I can't find a pcie card here in germany[20:48:52] <DeadYak> dr_evil: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124007[20:50:57] *** rgb has joined #haiku[20:52:46] <TuneTracker> AlienSoldier Are you working on the cmedia driver?[20:52:56] <wallone> bye[20:52:59] *** wallone has left #haiku[20:55:13] *** rdmr has quit IRC[20:56:49] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[20:59:33] <AlienSoldier> TuneTracker no[20:59:40] *** Humdinger has joined #haiku[20:59:52] <AlienSoldier> just happen to have an onboard[21:00:27] <AlienSoldier> btw, i noticed haiku seem to not have it integrated yet[21:00:44] *** kokito has quit IRC[21:01:56] <TuneTracker> Has Marco made his adaptations to SoundPlay to get it working with Haiku yet?[21:02:40] <DeadYak> Marco still maintains Soundplay?[21:02:43] <Humdinger> TuneTracker: Never heard about that. Where did he suggest do do that?[21:02:49] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[21:03:05] <Humdinger> Actually, I haven't heard anything from him in a long time.[21:03:11] <AlienSoldier> he said the licence would be carried on on haiku once[21:03:39] <Humdinger> Still got my keyfile :)[21:03:41] <TuneTracker> DeadYak Yes[21:03:49] <DeadYak> didn't know that[21:03:50] <Humdinger> I think it was the first app I bought for BeOS.[21:03:55] <DeadYak> Humdinger: same[21:03:58] <emitrax> hi all[21:03:59] <TuneTracker> DeadYak That's what TuneTracker uses for its "audio engine."[21:04:06] <DeadYak> TuneTracker: I realize this[21:04:10] <TuneTracker> k[21:04:11] <Humdinger> oi emitrax[21:04:14] <DeadYak> TuneTracker: I didn't think SP had been modified in ages though[21:04:23] <TuneTracker> DeadYak It's been a few years.[21:04:41] <TuneTracker> It's kind of "where it needs to be" for now, with the exception of the "port" to Haiku.[21:04:53] *** fyysik has quit IRC[21:05:14] <DeadYak> port? is he using some undocumented calls or something?[21:05:25] <TuneTracker> DeadYak Something like that, yes.[21:05:29] <Humdinger> I'll buy SoundPlay again.[21:05:35] <TuneTracker> SoundPlay rocks. :-)[21:05:45] <Humdinger> Tell him that. He'll begin porting tonite. :)[21:05:51] <TuneTracker> hehe[21:05:52] <AlienSoldier> at least the app is not doubling each year with stupid feature like most windows player[21:06:02] <TuneTracker> AlienSoldier Right.[21:06:14] <TuneTracker> TuneTracker keeps adding features, but never crap...or bloat.[21:06:39] <DeadYak> SoundPlay's generally one of the best designed apps I've ever seen[21:06:44] <TuneTracker> You guys want a sneak peek at a new feature nobody's seen yet?[21:06:55] <AlienSoldier> i have some issue with the app but as they apply to beos at large, i would preffer a OS fix than per app fixes[21:07:35] <Humdinger> TuneTracker: shoot![21:07:38] <TuneTracker> http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/documentation/crossfading.html[21:07:45] <AlienSoldier> feature? as in build in karaoke? :)[21:08:06] <TuneTracker> sorry...[21:08:07] <TuneTracker> http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/documentation/cc_crossfading.html[21:11:01] <AlienSoldier> TuneTracker i guess nothing is done on the haikuside pendig the soundplay port?[21:11:02] <Humdinger> TuneTracker: nice. I always like the crossfading of SoundPlay.[21:11:29] <Humdinger> With a touch screen it's just so much more sophisticated... :)[21:11:37] <TuneTracker> AlienSoldier Right, nothing can be done until then.[21:11:48] <TuneTracker> Humdinger Yes![21:12:38] <Humdinger> I guess, since SP probably relies much on the mediakit and Haiku will be compatible, the porting effort will be minor.[21:12:52] *** emitrax_ has joined #haiku[21:13:05] <Humdinger> Since R1 is a way away still, I figure he's got some time for the port[21:13:14] <AlienSoldier> GCC4 soundplay for the win :P[21:14:49] <Humdinger> TuneTracker: WHo does the developing for TuneTracker?[21:21:42] *** genkie has quit IRC[21:25:59] <Humdinger> nite guys![21:26:08] *** Humdinger has quit IRC[21:30:36] *** emitrax has quit IRC[21:32:37] * JonathanThompson laughs with a Vulcan accent into the channel[21:35:36] *** genkie has joined #haiku[21:36:48] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: :P[21:36:54] *** PieterPan has joined #haiku[21:37:06] <JonathanThompson> I was wondering if that'd get people to go "Say WHAT??"[21:37:29] <DeadYak> it made me wonder what a Vulan accent sounds like, does that count?[21:38:19] *** genkie has quit IRC[21:38:58] *** kokito has joined #haiku[21:40:13] <PieterPan> Hey dr_evil I think I might have found a bug, either in AHCI or VM... http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1578[21:48:38] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[21:48:51] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[21:49:16] <dr_evil> PieterPan please the the comment http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1578#comment:3[21:51:31] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[21:51:55] <Lelldorin1> hi all[21:51:56] <Ed__> PieterPan, kijk toch eens uit met die pijl en boog, man :)[21:53:58] <PieterPan> Hmm, dr_evil, I thought I had read about this before but could not find it anymore[21:54:11] <PieterPan> Ed__ Oeps, sorry hehe :)[21:54:29] <dr_evil> need to leave, good night[21:54:45] <dr_evil> (me got a cold and needs some rest)[21:55:01] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[21:56:32] *** PieterPan has quit IRC[21:57:54] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[21:59:07] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:10:10] *** Ingenu_ is now known as Ingenu[22:16:12] *** stargater has joined #haiku[22:16:17] <stargater> Hi[22:17:46] *** BePower has quit IRC[22:18:02] <myrkraverk> is app->PostMessage() thread safe?[22:22:28] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[22:26:40] *** rgb has quit IRC[22:38:35] *** mats has quit IRC[22:42:11] *** emitrax__ has joined #haiku[22:44:37] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[22:45:45] <Ingenu> night[22:46:54] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:49:16] *** meisje has joined #haiku[22:51:04] *** frodobeg25 has joined #haiku[22:54:37] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[23:00:45] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[23:00:57] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[23:10:10] *** Judgen has joined #haiku[23:10:28] <Judgen> is there a way to crash haiku so it shut down completley?[23:10:41] <Judgen> since vmware wont let it shut down[23:14:41] <Judgen> oh it was related to using 2 cpus[23:14:47] <Judgen> now it works, i just set it to onw[23:15:35] *** meisje has quit IRC[23:24:58] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[23:27:17] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[23:33:48] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[23:34:16] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[23:36:27] *** AndrevS is now known as andre_zzz[23:41:12] <Judgen> Is there an drivesetup application for haiku?[23:45:09] *** emitrax__ has quit IRC[23:48:22] *** emitrax__ has joined #haiku