October 13, 2007 
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October 13, 2007 [00:03:50] *** brygu1 has quit IRC[00:05:57] <emitrax> nice start, I'm having trouble committing my first code :)[00:06:05] *** Judgen has left #haiku[00:06:14] <emitrax> any dev around ?[00:06:26] <mmu_man> ..[00:06:36] <mmu_man> what's wrong ?[00:07:21] <emitrax> svn: Can't create directory '/svnroot/repos/haiku/db/transactions/22520-1.txn': Permission denied[00:07:42] <emitrax> I checked out the code with my berlios account[00:08:45] <emitrax> but it still doesnt let me commit my changes[00:10:34] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[00:10:48] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[00:11:56] <CIA-5> sbenedetto * r22521 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage:[00:11:56] <CIA-5> Removing the ohci driver from the building system so that I can work without worrying about breaking anything :-)[00:11:56] <CIA-5> I'll add it back once I have something usable.[00:12:08] <emitrax> ok fixed[00:12:59] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[00:13:06] <mmu_man> eh[00:13:18] <emitrax> hi oliver[00:13:37] *** 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mats has joined #haiku[00:20:21] *** rennj has joined #haiku[00:20:21] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[00:20:21] *** cyrann has joined #haiku[00:20:21] *** rhu has joined #haiku[00:20:21] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[00:20:21] *** wasosa__ has joined #haiku[00:20:21] *** eric_j has joined #haiku[00:20:21] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[00:20:21] *** CIA-5 has joined #haiku[00:20:21] *** {V} has joined #haiku[00:20:21] *** zeeke has joined #haiku[00:20:21] *** morfj has joined #haiku[00:20:21] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[00:20:21] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[00:22:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[00:30:16] *** Euver has quit IRC[00:31:28] <etteyafed> Lola: hello[00:31:33] <Lola> hola[00:31:52] <mmu_man> re[00:32:18] <etteyafed> I wonder when freenode in us will be back up 100%[00:32:42] *** acidx has quit IRC[00:33:22] <kokito> hola lola[00:33:27] <Lola> salut, kokito[00:33:38] <kokito> como va?[00:35:16] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[00:35:33] <emitrax> bed time[00:35:38] *** emitrax has left #haiku[00:36:03] <etteyafed> kokito: did you get that?[00:36:36] <urnenfeld> etteyafed = Lola ?[00:36:46] <kokito> etteyafed, get what?[00:36:49] <etteyafed> not quite[00:36:56] *** acidx has joined #haiku[00:37:01] <etteyafed> lola: tell kokito about lola[00:37:18] <etteyafed> lola: +tell kokito about lola[00:37:19] <Lola> told kokito about lola (it has been said that lola is a bot.)[00:37:52] <kokito> what a name for a bot[00:38:01] <kokito> ola acidx[00:38:11] <etteyafed> tastes just like cherry cola ;)[00:38:18] * kokito hoping acidx is not also a bot[00:38:19] <urnenfeld> yeah better add +ita[00:38:31] <etteyafed> ita?[00:38:38] <acidx> bot? nope, i'm just yet another irc lurker.[00:38:39] <kokito> better not go there[00:40:24] <etteyafed> if anyone has a problem with it i can disable logs for more than 24 hours or get rid of it entirely, but it is pretty well behaved and very new so has not very much to say.[00:41:09] <etteyafed> It could be a usefull tool if it is taught well enough[00:41:59] <kokito> etteyafed, urnenfeld and myself were kidding[00:42:23] *** Stargater has quit IRC[00:42:34] <etteyafed> Well, some people may not find it funny. I know that it _can_ be a sensative issue.[00:42:55] <CIA-5> julun * r22523 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TextControl.cpp:[00:42:55] <CIA-5> * the divider width was taken from the wrong archive field[00:43:06] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[00:43:16] <etteyafed> I just don't want to offend anyones preferences[00:43:22] <etteyafed> in regard to the IRC[00:43:42] <urnenfeld> :))) i totally was[00:43:59] <etteyafed> lola: haiku?[00:44:00] <Lola> [haiku] an open source BeOS clone. http://www.haiku-os.org/[00:44:03] <urnenfeld> kidding:)[00:44:30] <etteyafed> lola: seen kokito[00:44:31] <Lola> kokito is currently on #haiku (23m 28s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 2m 31s, last said: 'etteyafed, urnenfeld and myself were kidding'.[00:44:38] <mmu_man> lola: massage[00:44:46] <etteyafed> see why that might bother people[00:45:06] <kokito> now, that's getting into dangerous territory mmu_man :P[00:45:20] <kokito> etteyafed, it does not bother me at all[00:45:29] <kokito> I find the name sort of funny[00:45:34] <mmu_man> etteyafed you know you can do that with /nickserv info kokito[00:46:45] <etteyafed> well... it works across multiple servers[00:47:17] <etteyafed> not in this case though because it is not in ant other channels[00:47:20] *** kr1stof_ has joined #haiku[00:47:45] <CIA-5> julun * r22524 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/storage/Partition.h: * this should fix the build on gcc4[00:48:00] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[00:48:13] *** kr1stof_ is now known as kr1stof[00:52:22] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[00:54:29] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[01:01:17] *** Hoern has quit IRC[01:02:25] *** acidx_ has joined #haiku[01:04:44] <etteyafed> lola: massage[01:04:45] * Lola gives etteyafed a full body massage[01:04:56] <etteyafed> nice[01:06:19] <urnenfeld> thats better :)[01:07:21] <etteyafed> you can add stuff with "lola: sit is <action> sits"[01:07:48] <etteyafed> and there are variables[01:08:21] <etteyafed> help will only work in private unless forced. it is verbose and spamming is bad[01:09:13] *** Stargater has quit IRC[01:10:21] *** aphedox_ has joined #haiku[01:10:50] <Lola> I love BeOS![01:11:02] *** aphedox has quit IRC[01:11:23] *** ikbel has joined #haiku[01:11:38] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[01:11:43] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[01:11:47] <ikbel> hi[01:12:04] <etteyafed> hello[01:12:05] <ikbel> I want some info about the process mangement in haiku[01:12:05] <Lola> moin moin[01:12:20] <ikbel> and comparing it to Linux, BSD, Solaris ...[01:13:02] <ikbel> can I find help ?[01:13:05] <urnenfeld> what can i understand about "process mangement" ?[01:13:13] <urnenfeld> by*[01:13:17] <ikbel> I tried google but nothing is useful[01:13:24] <etteyafed> http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/haiku[01:13:30] * JonathanThompson ralphs into the channel for no apparent reason[01:13:36] <etteyafed> that is as good as it gets[01:13:43] <ikbel> how haiku do to deal with process creation, killing ....[01:14:02] <urnenfeld> basically kernel kit section of the bebook[01:14:09] *** jspiros has quit IRC[01:14:35] <urnenfeld> http://www.beunited.org/bebook/The%20Kernel%20Kit/index.html[01:14:39] <ikbel> I find a video called "Things you can't do with your PC"[01:14:57] <urnenfeld> ... and Thread and Team Functions[01:14:57] <urnenfeld> Thread and Team Concepts[01:15:00] <urnenfeld> are ur sections[01:15:34] <etteyafed> lola: cleanup[01:15:35] * Lola cleans up the mess.[01:16:00] <ikbel> and it is showing a user opening "hundreds" of videos, directories ... in MacOS without blocking the OS, I want how they do it ? and I want to know other systems like haiku also[01:16:45] <ikbel> I tried opening 100 directories in linux and the system is blocked[01:16:59] <ikbel> so I want to see haiku[01:17:16] <etteyafed> you will be dissapointed[01:17:37] <JonathanThompson> Haiku is still pre-alpha at the moment.[01:18:09] <ikbel> ?[01:18:11] <ikbel> !!!![01:18:19] <urnenfeld> but ikbel can still try BeOS and see it :)[01:18:35] <JonathanThompson> For example, there are still big parts of the VM subsystem that not merely don't work right, but simply don't exist at all:)[01:18:50] <ikbel> have anyone tried opening a large number of process in haiku ?[01:18:55] <etteyafed> yes[01:18:56] <ikbel> or even in BeOS ?[01:19:01] <ikbel> and ?[01:19:05] <JonathanThompson> That'll fail fairly quickly due to VM issues, ikbel.[01:19:18] <ikbel> how many process ?[01:19:25] <etteyafed> there is a 4096 thread limit in beos 196 per app i belive[01:19:28] <JonathanThompson> Depends on the process and how much RAM you have.[01:19:33] *** acidx has quit IRC[01:19:38] <JonathanThompson> 193 threads per app in BeOS.[01:19:48] <JonathanThompson> Main thread gets 16 meg stack, every other stack is 256K[01:20:56] <etteyafed> on my C2D laptop i get a 4096 threadlimit in haiku but i have not fully tested that limit[01:21:14] <JonathanThompson> I'd expect you'd run out of RAM before threads, etteyafed.[01:21:27] <etteyafed> maybe but i have 2GB[01:21:32] <etteyafed> so it would be close[01:21:43] <JonathanThompson> Due to the VM issues, I think that'd still hit you quickly enough.[01:21:43] <etteyafed> if they were small threads[01:21:53] <etteyafed> oh yeah that[01:22:03] <etteyafed> i forget about the vm[01:22:04] * JonathanThompson wonders what the default thread stack size in Haiku is, as there's no API to set a size in BeOS.[01:22:37] <ikbel> there is no optimisation if there is maaaaaany process of the same thing ?[01:22:40] <etteyafed> lola: BeOS thread limit per app is 193[01:22:41] <Lola> okay, etteyafed[01:22:53] * JonathanThompson hears an echo[01:22:54] * JonathanThompson hears an echo[01:23:03] <ikbel> I mean : 1000 video player opened[01:23:18] <JonathanThompson> What are you asking, precisely?[01:23:43] <ikbel> the system can't store redundent info in only one place ?[01:24:02] <JonathanThompson> Which redundant information are you referring to?[01:24:28] <ikbel> 1000 file explorer opened => only the memory of 1 explorer is allocatde[01:24:47] <ikbel> and not 1000 * memory needed by 1[01:25:05] <JonathanThompson> I'm guessing it would do that for the executable itself, though I'm not certain about details of what's implemented at this time.[01:25:17] <ikbel> isn't a matter of optimisation ?[01:25:21] <JonathanThompson> But for the data segments, it'd still need to allocate that for each process.[01:25:44] <ikbel> hey ! It is done in some system ![01:25:51] <ikbel> but in closed source ![01:25:58] <ikbel> so I can't see how[01:26:00] <JonathanThompson> Again, ikbel, I stress: Haiku is currently pre-alpha, not self-hosting, and a large part of that is due to the VM subsystem having not merely buggy functionality, but completely missing some of it currently.[01:26:19] <ikbel> ok[01:26:21] <etteyafed> only until those data are changed . called copy on write[01:26:56] <ikbel> but you can consider my words as a suggestion[01:27:13] <ikbel> yes ?[01:27:16] <JonathanThompson> I assure you, that's not a revolutionary thought :)[01:27:20] *** rennj has quit IRC[01:27:23] <ikbel> why[01:27:36] <JonathanThompson> That's expected, as that's "normal" to do within a VM subsystem.[01:27:37] <etteyafed> google zfs ikbel[01:27:53] <ikbel> link ?[01:28:23] <etteyafed> just as an example of a similar idea i mean[01:28:26] * JonathanThompson hands ikbel a missing link[01:28:56] <etteyafed> there are many features in zfs one being ram as a fs and another being copy on write[01:29:06] <ikbel> zfs mean Zetta file system ?[01:29:12] <JonathanThompson> No.[01:29:30] <JonathanThompson> Well, perhaps at one time, "Zetabyte: but not Zeta, if you're referring to the OS.[01:29:36] <etteyafed> well Zetabyte File System, or Z FS[01:29:55] <JonathanThompson> I don't think it officially stands for anything at this point.[01:30:12] <etteyafed> not yet i dont think. not afik[01:30:51] <etteyafed> lola: zfs is a filesystem developed and promoted by Sun Microsystems[01:30:51] <Lola> okay, etteyafed[01:32:27] <ikbel> and you forget : it's their IP[01:32:47] <etteyafed> ip?[01:33:04] <ikbel> intellectual p...[01:33:08] <etteyafed> i think its open actually[01:33:21] <ikbel> trully ? isn't patented ?[01:33:25] <JonathanThompson> Yes, it's open, but... still their IP, as much as anything that's open is.[01:33:47] <etteyafed> they have copyright[01:33:50] <JonathanThompson> I think there are probably patents involved, but those are allowed for use.[01:34:22] <ikbel> I don't understand how a patented thing is open source ![01:34:40] <etteyafed> depends on how you word the patent i guess[01:35:20] <JonathanThompson> It's the licensing that matters, not the language of it or the copyright.[01:35:32] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[01:35:38] <JonathanThompson> If you put it in the open and give permission, it doesn't matter otherwise.[01:36:23] *** rhu has quit IRC[01:38:06] *** jspiros has joined #haiku[01:39:06] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[01:39:08] <Stargater> re[01:42:14] *** rhu has joined #haiku[01:42:42] <ikbel> thanks for the link to the be book[01:42:43] <Lola> ikbel: my pleasure[01:43:43] <ikbel> in your PoV what's the best OS design ?[01:44:04] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[01:44:55] <ikbel> haiku is not monolithic as I know[01:47:57] <Stargater> its hybrid[01:59:05] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:11:41] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:18:18] *** etteyafed is now known as CherryCola[02:29:14] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[02:44:41] *** pl_away is now known as plfiorini[02:44:46] *** fanskap has joined #haiku[02:45:33] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[02:46:58] <ikbel> hi[02:46:59] <Lola> what's up[02:47:02] <plfiorini> hi[02:47:08] <ikbel> this is the link I want you to see[02:47:11] <ikbel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxKWeQg7saI&mode=related&search=[02:47:27] <ikbel> can I find an open source OS that is capable of this ?[02:47:40] <plfiorini> can i find a linux with flash?[02:49:02] <ikbel> adobe flash ?[02:49:21] <plfiorini> found! i'm installing it, w/o flash it's really hard to see youtube[02:50:52] <plfiorini> i say some impressive beos demos years ago[02:51:18] <plfiorini> and heard of dvd playing and ripping the same time[02:52:18] <ikbel> yes I remember this[02:52:46] <plfiorini> so i guess that if haiku will be as cool as beos was (or even better) we still have to see something cool[02:53:30] <ikbel> where my friend were capable of viewing multiple clips without problems (in the era of win98 !!!!!)[02:53:38] <plfiorini> indeed i like os x[02:53:39] <ikbel> Have you seen the videos ?[02:53:56] <plfiorini> yeah[02:54:26] <plfiorini> oh my god is this exposé?[02:54:39] <plfiorini> it seems a puzzle with all these windows :)[02:57:21] <ikbel> what's the open source system you know capable of this[02:58:21] <plfiorini> now.... nothing[03:01:35] *** CherryCola is now known as etteyafed[03:01:44] <plfiorini> mm[03:06:39] <plfiorini> cannot rebuild haiku.image, just removed it and now jam can't create it[03:10:46] <kokito> ikbel, do the movies actually play? :P[03:11:07] <ikbel> no[03:11:33] <ikbel> but even isn't played[03:12:15] <kokito> I would be interested to know how many movies you can actually play at the same time and on what hardware[03:13:19] <ikbel> it's the job of who want to make a BeOS like system[03:13:51] * kokito does not understand...[03:15:26] <ikbel> beos can play multiple videos at the same time[03:15:32] <ikbel> with great performance[03:15:47] <ikbel> haiku aims to do the same thing[03:16:03] <ikbel> and should know limits[03:17:49] *** rhu has quit IRC[03:19:34] *** rhu has joined #haiku[03:20:26] <kokito> ikbel, BeOS can play multiple videos, but you are only loading (not playing) videos[03:20:59] *** umccullough_work has joined #haiku[03:21:58] <ikbel> I find another thing[03:22:00] <ikbel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dja1cjYAgHI[03:22:08] <ikbel> it's Linux this time !!![03:22:17] <ikbel> opening 101 folders[03:22:32] <ikbel> I don't know why I tested it and it hang[03:23:37] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[03:24:43] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[03:24:43] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[03:26:16] <kad77> nice for haiku: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2194862,00.asp[03:26:43] *** etteyafed is now known as CherryCola[03:26:44] <kad77> from: http://www.fit-pc.com/[03:30:01] <kokito> kad77, that would make a nice demo machine, if the hw (video/sound/network) were supported[03:30:16] *** CherryCola is now known as etteyafed[03:31:13] <umccullough_work> I've seen quite a few ultra micro form-factor machines like that... seems like they're just not popular in the mainstream yet :P[03:33:58] <kokito> hey umccullough_work[03:34:52] <umccullough_work> hi kokito[03:36:58] *** M_199 has joined #haiku[03:38:52] *** magnetron has quit IRC[03:39:10] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:40:35] <Hodapp> I was looking at one of the Via ones from logicsupply.com[03:41:55] *** Lola has quit IRC[03:50:23] *** acidx_ has quit IRC[03:51:05] *** CherryCola has joined #haiku[03:53:42] *** Master199 has quit IRC[03:54:37] *** CherryCola has quit IRC[04:00:33] *** CherryCola has joined #haiku[04:12:58] *** eric_j has quit IRC[04:14:17] *** [1]kad77 has joined #haiku[04:19:41] <ikbel> so you told me ms win internals what chapter ?[04:20:17] <ikbel> chap 6 ? process, threads and jobs N[04:21:30] <ikbel> ah sorry[04:22:55] *** CherryCola has quit IRC[04:28:50] *** kad77 has quit IRC[04:29:48] *** [1]kad77 is now known as kad77[04:35:48] *** insomnia has quit IRC[04:37:23] *** CherryCola has joined #haiku[04:39:13] *** umccullough_work has quit IRC[04:41:06] *** insomnia has joined #Haiku[04:48:13] *** NeoOokami has quit IRC[05:02:06] *** kad77 has quit IRC[05:29:27] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[05:47:55] *** flyinghippo|AWAY has joined #haiku[05:52:13] *** kokito has quit IRC[05:55:03] *** aphedox__ has joined #haiku[05:55:15] *** flyinghippo|AWAY has quit IRC[05:57:09] *** aphedox_ has quit IRC[06:01:22] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[06:23:15] *** JamesB192 has joined #haiku[06:25:18] *** CherryCola has quit IRC[06:25:53] *** CherryCola has joined #haiku[06:26:23] *** CherryCola has joined #haiku[06:29:13] * JonathanThompson peeks his head into the channel, hoping he has taken a large enough breath of air to not suffocate/drown[06:46:38] <CIA-5> leavengood * r22525 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/ (21 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[06:46:38] <CIA-5> Adding ?\197?\129ukasz Zemczak's package installer to our tree. This was his Google[06:46:38] <CIA-5> Summer of Code project. Thanks for your work ?\197?\129ukasz and I hope we can see[06:46:38] <CIA-5> more work from you.[06:46:38] <CIA-5> Still to do:[06:49:24] *** aphedox_ has joined #haiku[06:50:31] *** aphedox__ has quit IRC[07:02:11] <CIA-5> leavengood * r22526 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/Jamfile: Getting a little ahead of myself here...[07:12:45] <etteyafed> ~Haiku[07:12:46] <CherryCola> hmm... haiku is an open source BeOS clone. http://www.haiku-os.org/, or a form of poetry.[07:13:01] <etteyafed> ~Freebsd[07:13:09] <etteyafed> ~Freebsd?[07:13:30] <etteyafed> ~Unix?[07:14:41] <etteyafed> CherryCola: seen kad77?[07:14:42] <CherryCola> kad77 <n=kad77 at rrcs-67-52-39-196 dot west.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #haiku, 3h 47m 57s ago, saying: 'from: http://www.fit-pc.com/'.[07:15:39] <etteyafed> ~http://etteyafed.homeip.net[07:16:09] <etteyafed> ~etteyafed's home page is http://etteyafed.homeip.net[07:16:09] <CherryCola> okay, etteyafed[07:22:33] <geist> what's the deal with the ~s?[07:25:26] <etteyafed> etteyafed's home page?[07:25:32] <etteyafed> ~etteyafed's home page?[07:25:33] <CherryCola> from memory, etteyafed's home page is http://etteyafed.homeip.net[07:26:05] <etteyafed> CherryCola etteyafed's home page[07:26:05] <CherryCola> methinks etteyafed's home page is http://etteyafed.homeip.net[07:26:56] <etteyafed> CherryCola: BeOS[07:27:07] <etteyafed> hmm... maybe it forgot[07:28:04] <etteyafed> CherryCola: BeOS[07:29:52] *** CherryCola has quit IRC[07:30:23] *** CherryCola has joined #haiku[07:32:15] <etteyafed> ~forget beos[07:32:15] <CherryCola> i didn't have anything called 'beos' to forget, etteyafed[07:34:20] <etteyafed> ~BeOS is an operating system for personal computers which began development by Be Inc. in 1991. It was first written to run on BeBox hardware.[07:39:33] *** kokito has joined #haiku[07:41:19] *** CherryCola has quit IRC[07:41:40] *** CherryCola has joined #haiku[07:42:57] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:47:07] *** CherryCola has quit IRC[07:47:21] <Begasus> morning peeps[07:47:35] *** CherryCola has joined #haiku[07:47:48] <etteyafed> CherryCola: BeOS?[07:48:30] <etteyafed> CherryCola: +BeOS?[07:48:30] <CherryCola> well, beos is an operating system for personal computers which began development by Be Inc. in 1991. It was first written to run on BeBox hardware.[07:49:47] *** kad77 has joined #haiku[07:51:43] *** pyCube has quit IRC[07:51:45] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[08:02:21] *** TheNerd_ has joined #haiku[08:03:46] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[08:07:39] <etteyafed> CherryCola: +Data?[08:07:40] <CherryCola> it has been said that data is an android who serves as the second officer and chief operations officer aboard the starships USS Enterprise-D and USS Enterprise-E. a character, portrayed by Brent Spiner, in the Star Trek fictional universe. a synonym for information.[08:09:55] * JonathanThompson goes into minor rant mode[08:10:34] <JonathanThompson> Some stupid woman that's a repeat offender killed one passenger, severely injured the driver, while speeding down I-5 the wrong way a few nights ago, with a blood alcohol of at least 3 times the legal limit.[08:10:37] <geist> CherryCola: +DONGS[08:10:52] <geist> CherryCola: +DONGS?[08:10:59] <JonathanThompson> Those are the type of people that should be either locked away for life, or killed, to ensure they don't cause more deaths/harm.[08:11:02] <geist> CherryCola: +why are you stupid?[08:11:03] <CherryCola> I think you lost me on that one, geist[08:11:18] <geist> CherryCola: +how tall are you?[08:11:19] <CherryCola> geist: what are you talking about?[08:11:37] <geist> CherryCola: +why do they stack shit that high?[08:12:02] <etteyafed> CherryCola: DONG is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dong[08:12:03] <CherryCola> etteyafed: okay[08:12:41] <etteyafed> CherryCola: how tall are you? is 9' 23"[08:12:42] <CherryCola> etteyafed: what are you talking about?[08:12:53] <etteyafed> CherryCola: how tall are you' is 9' 23"[08:12:54] <CherryCola> etteyafed: I think you lost me on that one[08:13:05] <etteyafed> CherryCola: how tall are you? is <reply> 9' 23"[08:13:06] <CherryCola> etteyafed: what are you talking about?[08:13:11] <etteyafed> well i give up[08:13:30] <etteyafed> you can log em in but cant teach em how tall they are[08:16:19] <etteyafed> CherryCola: height?[08:16:50] <etteyafed> CherryCola: hight?[08:16:51] <CherryCola> 9ft even.[08:17:08] <etteyafed> i cant spell[08:19:38] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[08:23:01] <etteyafed> CherryCola: dong is in south korea, the primary division of wards (gu), and of those cities (si) which are not divided into wards.[08:23:02] <CherryCola> ...but dong is already something else...[08:23:10] <etteyafed> CherryCola: dong is also in south korea, the primary division of wards (gu), and of those cities (si) which are not divided into wards.[08:23:11] <CherryCola> okay, etteyafed[08:23:58] <etteyafed> CherryCola: wtf DONGS[08:24:00] <CherryCola> no binary found.[08:25:22] <etteyafed> %wtf IRC[08:25:39] <etteyafed> CherryCola: wtf IRC[08:25:41] <CherryCola> Gee... I don't know what IRC means...[08:25:50] <etteyafed> hmm...[08:25:51] * umccullough wonders if the channel needs an enema[08:25:58] <etteyafed> sorry[08:26:01] <geist> yeah, pretty much[08:26:14] <etteyafed> CherryCola: leave #haiku[08:26:37] *** CherryCola has quit IRC[08:27:33] <umccullough> geist, you know anything about power meters that support ansi c12.18?[08:29:58] <geist> i do not[08:30:59] <etteyafed> sorry guys. about the bot. error of judgment[08:31:09] <geist> nah, i was screwing with it to[08:31:16] <geist> but that's my general disregard for human life[08:32:13] <umccullough> i need to setup my computer to listen to my power meter :P[08:32:31] <umccullough> the $566 power bill from last month calls for some corrective action[08:32:50] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[08:32:59] <geist> you could also like stop running that many computers[08:33:10] <geist> that's my general take on that stuff[08:33:10] <etteyafed> well i shouldnt be teaching/testing it here. although it is pretty neat if used as a tool. it will remember all kinds of links and defs and such. umccullough how do you gat your comp to use a powermeater?[08:33:24] <umccullough> geist, i'm down to only 6 anyway[08:33:52] <kr1stof> moin[08:34:01] <umccullough> geist, there' something else wrong - the computers aren't generating 72KwH/day[08:34:16] <umccullough> on average[08:34:31] <etteyafed> maybbe you have a leech[08:34:34] <umccullough> generating<>using[08:34:37] <etteyafed> or a short[08:35:11] <umccullough> i'm pretty certain i don't have a short[08:35:34] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[08:36:32] <etteyafed> sometimes it can go unnoticed. i had a power leak at an apt i was in and when i found it (by getting zaped) i had it fixed. cut the bill in half.[08:36:42] <umccullough> anyhow, my meter has an optical port on the front that should conform to ansi c12.18[08:37:06] <etteyafed> thats pretty cool.[08:37:28] <umccullough> looks like i can get something like this: http://www.elsterelectricity.com/downloads/UNICOM_III_probe_data_sheet.pdf[08:37:31] <geist> i always wonder about that security light that's on 12 hours a day outside my duplex[08:37:42] <geist> i'm pretty sure the power is coming off my bill[08:38:05] *** aphedox__ has joined #haiku[08:39:30] *** aphedox_ has quit IRC[08:39:52] <umccullough> etteyafed, i suppose it's entirely possible that something is screwed up on my wiring... especially since we've redone the wiring in this house pretty significantly in the last few years[08:41:21] <umccullough> if I had something polling my meter every 15 minutes and graphing my usage, i figure i'd be able to at least start trying to pinpoint the cause[08:42:18] <etteyafed> that thing looks expensive[08:42:28] <umccullough> yeah, i haven't checked prices yet[08:42:31] <etteyafed> but so are these http://www.powermeterstore.com/index.php?cPath=628[08:42:34] <geist> me, work with lasers?[08:42:37] <geist> sounds too complicated[08:42:42] <umccullough> lasers?[08:42:52] <umccullough> i read somewhere it was just IR[08:42:55] <geist> that's what i used to think[08:43:26] <umccullough> etteyafed, i have a P3 international Kill-A-Watt meter also[08:43:40] <umccullough> sitting here on the desk in front of me in fact :)[08:44:37] <etteyafed> hasn't helped?[08:44:52] <umccullough> it lets me find out what any given 110v device uses[08:45:25] <umccullough> that certainly doesn't tell me what my total house usage is[08:45:27] <umccullough> at any given moment[08:45:42] <umccullough> you know, the meter on my house also appears to support RF tx[08:45:43] <etteyafed> i think some of those things can do that[08:45:46] <brlcad> umccullough: shame I didn't get a chance to talk to you last weekend as well[08:45:51] <umccullough> i wonder how one goes about setting up a receiver for that[08:45:56] <etteyafed> the meter is god[08:45:59] <umccullough> brlcad, where were you?[08:46:13] <brlcad> could have thanked your for all your help you provided helping me get set up with the various VMs I was using :)[08:46:20] <brlcad> at the west palms[08:46:26] <umccullough> wild palms?[08:46:29] <brlcad> er, yeah[08:46:37] <brlcad> for the summit[08:46:40] <umccullough> damn! shoulda said something :)[08:46:54] <brlcad> too busy getting ready for it[08:47:09] <brlcad> did get to talk to stephan for a lil bit though[08:47:16] <umccullough> what project did you work on?[08:47:33] <brlcad> looking forward to having it last two days next year .. wasn't nearly enough time to talk to folks[08:47:40] <brlcad> I was there for BZFlag[08:48:33] <umccullough> never played it :)[08:48:48] <brlcad> :)[08:48:59] <brlcad> that's because I've not gotten it to compile on haiku yet ;)[08:49:33] <umccullough> where did you fly in from?[08:49:46] <brlcad> baltimore maryland[08:49:47] <pyCube> snd boy was he tired[08:49:49] <pyCube> snd[08:49:52] <pyCube> and[08:50:12] <brlcad> yeah, my arms are sore[08:52:10] <etteyafed> so brlcad like me you are a late nighter[08:52:25] <etteyafed> 3am for us[08:52:49] <pyCube> pssh..[08:53:02] <pyCube> its not late until its light outside[08:53:05] <etteyafed> i struggle to get to bed before 4[08:53:34] <etteyafed> well i have a wife and a day job[08:53:34] <brlcad> etteyafed: yeah, that's a problem I constantly fight with[08:53:45] <Begasus> brlcad, do you have a working BZFlag for BeOS?[08:54:03] <etteyafed> so its late in my life but not my brain[08:54:08] <brlcad> if I let it go unchecked, I tend to drift a few hours every day, eventually cycling back around[08:54:28] <pyCube> yeah[08:54:37] <pyCube> its like a geek long-count calandar[08:54:55] <umccullough> etteyafed, yeah, this setup looks neat: http://www.powermeterstore.com/index.php?products_id=2231[08:54:55] <pyCube> a geek day[08:55:00] <umccullough> but there's no f'ing way i'd spend that much :D[08:55:09] <brlcad> Begasus: no, last I attempted, it wasn't stable enough to even attempt the build[08:55:26] <Begasus> ah k .. haven't been able to build it here myself ...[08:55:38] <etteyafed> my problem is that i cant let it cycle due to my schedual so i eventually just need to take a day and sleep till 1:30[08:55:43] <brlcad> though much of the work was done years ago by mmu_man for the hard parts[08:55:52] <etteyafed> i can't sleep any later[08:56:14] <etteyafed> umccullough: Yeah thats the one i was drooling over[08:56:34] <etteyafed> Id rather but a new LCD though[08:56:46] <umccullough> i should post a pic of my meter so you can see what i'm working iwth[08:56:46] <brlcad> yeah, I usually can let it drift.. causes all sorts of disruptions .. late night coding that ends sometime in the morning, or needing to do 36 hours days to flip it back to normal, etc[08:56:55] <umccullough> it's already got an LCD screen and shit[08:57:29] <brlcad> is there anyone working on porting SDL at the moment?[08:57:53] <brlcad> or is that something worth looking into as well?[08:58:11] <etteyafed> http://www.powermeterstore.com/index.php?products_id=672 this one is cheaper and supports many of the same accessories[08:58:20] <etteyafed> i thought SDL was ported?[08:58:31] <Begasus> brlcad, SDL can be ported out of the box[08:58:34] <etteyafed> or at least supPorted[08:58:49] <Begasus> got some lib's over at zeta-games that work in R5 too[08:58:53] <brlcad> cool, last I heard it wasn't -- audio to?[08:59:02] <Begasus> beside the SDL_net version (linked to libbind)[08:59:10] <etteyafed> works on R5 for me[08:59:15] <Begasus> audio is now in SDL_mixer[08:59:24] <Begasus> latest version etteyafed ?[08:59:35] <brlcad> bz can use the old custom beos interface or be compiled for an sdl interface (which works much better usually)[08:59:38] <etteyafed> oh not the net afik[08:59:45] <Begasus> try'd building it to against libnet .. didn't wok here ..[09:00:04] <brlcad> we do our own net, only care about the windowing, audio, and input[09:00:33] <Begasus> the net version in the libpak still works good in R5 ...[09:00:47] <Begasus> if the games itself don't require a newer one ...[09:00:51] <etteyafed> i am not sure of the version and i just took that comp apart today. and my next beos machine needs an ide card to install beos. (beos wont recognise the proliant smart arrays)[09:01:53] <brlcad> i suppose we shall see, i'll give it a try this weekend hopefully[09:01:54] <umccullough> etteyafed, my power meter looks similar to this, except older: http://www.byramlabs.com/images/hi-res/els-alpha.png[09:01:56] <etteyafed> i like bzflag and a game would be a good way to stress haiku a bit to test[09:02:34] <Begasus> brlcad, if you manage to build bz give me a yell if you like to release something for it ;)[09:02:35] <brlcad> the hard part would be software rendering of opengl .. low resolutions and minimal features[09:02:46] <etteyafed> umccullough: mine is just a dial covered with a glass bowl[09:03:09] <etteyafed> some haiku drivers support accel i think[09:03:14] <umccullough> etteyafed, yeah, that's what i was always used to until i bought this house ;)[09:04:15] <etteyafed> i think some cards with the nvidia driver work with it. but i am not sure really . thats just something i herd[09:04:20] <etteyafed> heard*[09:05:06] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[09:05:59] * brlcad fires up the latest image[09:12:19] <umccullough> oh neat, some meters support a modem add-on[09:12:57] <Begasus> bbl[09:36:42] *** joltz has quit IRC[09:36:52] *** Stargater has quit IRC[09:40:37] *** steffen_f has joined #haiku[09:49:44] *** magnetron has joined #haiku[09:51:15] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:56:09] *** steffen_f has quit IRC[09:57:58] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[10:04:53] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[10:14:26] *** rhu_ has joined #haiku[10:26:24] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[10:29:19] *** kokito has quit IRC[10:30:11] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[10:30:38] *** BePower has joined #haiku[10:30:44] *** Ketsuban has joined #haiku[10:31:04] *** rhu has quit IRC[10:41:55] *** atla has joined #haiku[11:01:50] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[11:03:22] *** genkie has joined #haiku[11:04:12] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[11:08:58] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[11:09:51] *** Exitium has joined #haiku[11:09:56] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[11:10:00] *** Exitium has quit IRC[11:10:13] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[11:19:56] *** stargater has joined #haiku[11:19:57] <stargater> re[11:21:27] <plfiorini> hi stargater[11:21:38] <plfiorini> nooooooo packageinstaller![11:21:49] <stargater> hi plfiorini[11:21:52] <stargater> noo ?[11:22:02] <stargater> you mean in the image?[11:22:03] <plfiorini> i couldn't believe[11:22:11] <plfiorini> svn up[11:22:56] <plfiorini> stargater: anyway it doesn't recreate the haiku.image now, what i can do?[11:23:48] <plfiorini> Error: Mounting FS failed: No such file or directory[11:24:26] <stargater> jam haiku.image ?[11:25:01] <plfiorini> yes[11:25:48] <plfiorini> it does this error[11:26:49] <plfiorini> i try to rm -fr generated/objects and rebuild[11:26:57] <stargater> jam up && ./configure && jam haiku.image[11:27:15] <stargater> ah you in linux ? cross platform ?[11:27:21] <stargater> ka then[11:27:46] <plfiorini> yeah linux (now trying with gcc4)[11:28:24] <stargater> oh nice (gcc4)[11:28:26] <plfiorini> do i need to rebuild crosstools at every snv up?[11:28:39] <plfiorini> i got the same problem with gcc2 anyway[11:28:40] <stargater> jam up && ./configure && jam haiku.image[11:29:27] <stargater> svn up && ./configure && jam haiku.image[11:29:30] <stargater> sorry[11:29:52] <plfiorini> same error[11:30:15] <plfiorini> it started when i changed some source code and noticed that it didn't rebuild the code[11:30:18] <stargater> svn clean && svn up && ...[11:30:23] <plfiorini> so i rm'ed haiku.image[11:30:36] <plfiorini> svn cleanup?[11:31:50] <stargater> ka[11:32:09] <plfiorini> trying[11:32:18] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[11:32:53] <stargater> jam clean = clean the builds[11:33:07] <plfiorini> aaaaaah jam not svn[11:33:24] <stargater> then can you mek jam haiku.image[11:33:33] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[11:33:46] <stargater> ahh yes jam clean not svn :([11:33:51] <stargater> so bbl[11:36:45] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[11:37:01] *** rennj has joined #haiku[11:44:26] <CIA-5> sbenedetto * r22527 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/usb/ (ohci.cpp ohci.h ohci_hardware.h): * Revert Copyright[11:48:54] <emitrax> hi[11:49:06] <plfiorini> hello emitrax[11:49:11] <emitrax> ciao pl[11:49:18] <plfiorini> emitrax: come andiamo?[11:49:20] <emitrax> pl = pierluigi ?[11:49:23] <plfiorini> yep[11:49:26] <plfiorini> pier luigi fiorini[11:49:34] <emitrax> fine, I just woke up :)[11:49:39] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[11:49:42] <emitrax> you ?[11:49:49] <plfiorini> me too, sleep at 3 o' clock[11:50:03] *** BePower has quit IRC[11:50:13] <plfiorini> went to see a pink floyd tribute band, it was a very nice night[11:50:57] <emitrax> what part of Italy ?[11:51:02] <plfiorini> bologna[11:51:13] <plfiorini> my hometown[11:51:50] <emitrax> you live in bologna ?[11:51:55] <plfiorini> yeah[11:52:16] <plfiorini> and you?[11:52:25] <emitrax> cool :) annozero was talking about it the other night, it looks like it's getting very messy in there[11:52:57] <emitrax> I live in sicily, but I should move somewhere else soon[11:53:58] <pyCube> why?[11:54:13] <emitrax> why what ?[11:54:23] <pyCube> should move somewhere else[11:54:52] <emitrax> because I'm almost done with my university and that's the only reason I still live here[11:55:04] <pyCube> ah...are you from there?[11:55:31] <emitrax> sicily is one of the best place to go in visit on a holyday, but it is not so nice to live in[11:55:34] <emitrax> yes I am[11:55:52] <pyCube> why is it not so good to live there?[11:57:09] <emitrax> many reason ...[11:57:33] <emitrax> mafia is one I guess :)[11:57:47] <plfiorini> stargater: thanks but i think a part of the problem was my broken userbuildconfig[12:04:16] *** Haicube has joined #haiku[12:14:42] *** petterhj has quit IRC[12:16:34] *** korli has joined #haiku[12:16:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[12:17:58] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[12:19:07] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[12:19:47] <Haicube> Cool, new coder checking in code... anybody know who Julun is?[12:20:25] <korli> Haicube: "Host TEAM"[12:20:41] <Haicube> what you mean "host" team?[12:20:46] <Haicube> website dudes?[12:22:38] <korli> no this is the sender name for patches sent on the development mailing list[12:22:47] <Haicube> Ah...[12:23:29] <korli> http://www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/archive-search.fcgi?query=Julun&list=haiku-development[12:24:25] <Haicube> not sure we mean the same korli, check this http://cia.vc/stats/project/OpenBeOS/.message/65ea14[12:24:31] <Haicube> Author = Julun[12:24:37] <Haicube> the list you mention have way too old stuff[12:24:59] <korli> Haicube: believe me[12:25:06] <Haicube> I do...[12:25:18] *** ikbel has quit IRC[12:25:27] <Haicube> nevermind, since he himself mentions it's his first commit, I'm happy to see that happening. New contributors are great stuff =)[12:25:31] <korli> Julun was granted commit access just this week[12:25:37] <Haicube> Ah[12:26:14] <Haicube> Good stuff.... so he's working on the Interface kit it seems... thats' good I guess[12:27:36] <korli> it seems he has a wide range of interests[12:27:42] <Haicube> good[12:27:49] <Haicube> if he's active that's even better....[12:34:19] *** emitrax_ has joined #haiku[12:34:21] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[12:34:49] *** stargater has quit IRC[12:36:43] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[12:38:27] *** Haicube has quit IRC[12:44:39] *** lorglas has quit IRC[12:46:23] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[12:47:14] <miqlas> Good morning![12:49:17] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[12:49:41] <plfiorini> haiku boots![12:50:10] *** Atomozero has joined #haiku[12:51:44] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[12:52:50] <plfiorini> hi Atomozero[12:52:59] <korli> morning haiku booters[12:53:23] <plfiorini> morning korli[12:53:37] <plfiorini> any frequency out of range error here?[12:53:42][12:59:31] <CIA-5> korli * r22528 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/ac97/auich/ (auich.c io.c): increased snooze, ICH4 needs memory mapped io[13:02:23] *** chaotic has joined #haiku[13:02:26] *** chaotic has left #haiku[13:03:12] *** BePower has joined #haiku[13:07:01] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[13:09:57] *** sarcas has joined #haiku[13:14:15] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[13:18:21] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[13:19:41] <plfiorini> does the app_server support changing the decor?[13:21:11] <kad77> i don't recall BeOS being skinnable[13:21:54] <plfiorini> kad77: i'm working on my first patch to fix some preflets[13:22:10] <plfiorini> kad77: and i noticed that the appaerance preflet has code to change decor[13:22:27] <plfiorini> kad77: but it's in a ifdef, i guess that part of code is not compiled[13:26:20] <plfiorini> so i think that if the app_server can do it, the preflet code should be enabled[13:37:21] *** tic has quit IRC[13:38:25] *** tic has joined 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dirs): Patch from Pier Luigi Fiorini for layouts of Appearance and Keyboard preferences[15:07:15] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[15:15:17] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[15:44:08] *** meisje has joined #haiku[15:45:28] <urnenfeld> guys, do i have safely enough mememory with 2,7GB to hold the sources and the build ?[15:49:30] <umccullough> urnenfeld, the sources are less than half-gb IIRC, but SVN doubles the size[15:49:42] <umccullough> so, yes I think :)[15:50:03] <umccullough> and it was nice to meet you :)[15:50:11] *** alon has joined #haiku[15:51:10] <urnenfeld> hey Urias![15:53:24] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[15:58:09] *** alon has quit IRC[16:00:41] <CIA-5> sbenedetto * r22532 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/usb/ (ohci_rh.cpp ohci_software.h):[16:00:41] <CIA-5> * Clean up ohci_rh.cpp, following the style used in the others *hci_rh.cpp files[16:00:41] <CIA-5> * Forgot to remove ohci_software in my previous patch[16:07:21] *** meisje has quit IRC[16:09:37] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[16:15:47] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[16:21:55] * Ingenu listening to portal_still_alive.mp3[16:22:25] <urnenfeld> someone got, while making a svn+ssh checkout, a "Malformed network data" ?[16:26:18] <umccullough> you can do a checkout with ssh...[16:26:43] <umccullough> and i think you can change the repo from anon to a specific dev afterward, but i don't know[16:27:01] <urnenfeld> yes but after getting osme files.. i get that error message[16:27:11] *** Begasus has quit IRC[16:27:14] <urnenfeld> i dont knwo if blame net server, ssh svn....[16:31:45] <umccullough> oh, svn+ssh under beos? i've heard that doesnt work very well...[16:31:53] <umccullough> i thought you were maybe using linux[16:31:56] *** sh0i has joined #haiku[16:32:10] <sh0i> ciao a tutti[16:32:11] <sh0i> :D[16:32:27] *** nielx has joined #haiku[16:32:38] <nielx> hola![16:33:20] <urnenfeld> uu good to know[16:33:22] <urnenfeld> hola nielx[16:33:37] <nielx> I'm at the T-DOSE conference[16:33:47] *** urnenfeldbe has joined #haiku[16:33:50] <nielx> but I don't know if people will come to my talk tomorrow :-)[16:34:33] <umccullough> hi nielx[16:34:47] <nielx> hi umccullough[16:34:55] <umccullough> nielx, are you there by yourself?[16:34:59] <nielx> yep[16:35:04] <umccullough> :([16:35:05] <sh0i> hello guys[16:35:10] <sh0i> i would try this os[16:35:19] <sh0i> now, in this moment, i use gnu/linux.[16:35:25] <nielx> I just saw someone I know from my KDE era though :-)[16:35:39] <sh0i> what i will download?![16:35:52] <nielx> but I have absolutely no hope people are going to come tomorrow[16:35:52] <umccullough> sh0i, easiest way to test on linux is to use QEMU or vmware[16:36:01] <sh0i> ok[16:36:07] <sh0i> and after i test[16:36:17] <sh0i> i would install haiku in my laptop[16:36:25] <sh0i> :D[16:36:28] <nielx> the time slot is shitty: sunday from 11-12[16:36:31] <umccullough> sh0i, installing natively is tricky :)[16:36:36] <nielx> and there is mostly a geek audience[16:36:46] <sh0i> natively?[16:37:00] <umccullough> sh0i, installing directly to a hard drive isn't easy[16:37:01] <nielx> even the talk on efficient data structures drew three times the amount of people than of kde programming[16:37:12] <nielx> *than the one on kde programming*[16:37:30] <umccullough> nielx, that can be a good thing...[16:37:33] <umccullough> maybe[16:37:34] <sh0i> :S[16:37:40] <sh0i> why umccullough ?[16:37:40] <sh0i> :S[16:37:47] <umccullough> sh0i, there's no installer...[16:37:56] <nielx> well, I don't know. there's going to be a diner later tonight, and I'll try to lobby[16:38:05] <umccullough> sh0i, the easiest way to install directly to a hard drive is to build it from sources yourself[16:38:16] <sh0i> :S[16:38:22] <umccullough> nielx, good luck :)[16:38:32] <sh0i> ok umccullough but doesn't exist a howto to install haiku?[16:38:33] <sh0i> :D[16:38:45] <umccullough> sh0i, yes... hang on[16:38:50] <sh0i> where?[16:39:33] <umccullough> hold on[16:39:43] <umccullough> http://haiku-os.org/documents/dev/installing_haiku_to_a_partition_from_linux[16:40:03] *** urnenfeldbe has quit IRC[16:40:06] <sh0i> hmm[16:40:09] <sh0i> ok thanks umccullough[16:40:10] <sh0i> :D:D[16:40:10] <umccullough> also lots of other articles and forum posts here: http://haiku-os.org/search/node/installing+from+linux[16:40:11] <sh0i> :***[16:40:18] <sh0i> thankssss :D[16:40:23] <sh0i> do you use haiku?[16:40:25] <sh0i> :D[16:41:18] <umccullough> sh0i, i've tested it a lot, but not recently[16:41:31] <sh0i> ok[16:41:33] <sh0i> hmm[16:41:57] <sh0i> i try for first with vmware[16:42:07] <sh0i> and after i try to install on hd[16:42:07] <sh0i> :D[16:42:08] <sh0i> hheheheheheh[16:42:08] <sh0i> :D[16:42:38] <sh0i> why haiku hasn't a iso-installer?[16:42:49] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[16:43:24] <urnenfeld> pre-alpha stage[16:43:43] <sh0i> ah ok[16:44:00] *** atla_ has joined #haiku[16:44:11] <sh0i> thanks umccullough[16:44:14] <sh0i> :D[16:48:09] <urnenfeld> luck sh0i ![16:48:48] <sh0i> eheeh[16:48:49] <sh0i> :D[16:50:47] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[16:51:19] *** Euver has joined #haiku[16:53:39] *** brobostigon has left #haiku[16:54:26] *** acidx has quit IRC[16:57:47] *** atla has quit IRC[17:00:40] <umccullough> sh0i, you know where to download the vmware and raw images right?[17:00:51] <sh0i> yeah[17:00:51] <sh0i> :)[17:01:12] <sh0i> thanks bro[17:01:12] <sh0i> :D[17:01:17] <sh0i> why you don't use haiku?[17:03:19] <umccullough> sh0i, right now it's a hobby :)[17:03:25] <umccullough> it's not stable enough to use anyhow[17:03:42] <umccullough> i mean, for me personally it's a hobby ;)[17:04:01] <sh0i> lool[17:04:02] <sh0i> ok[17:04:02] <sh0i> :D[17:04:05] <sh0i> use linuX?[17:04:18] <umccullough> some, but not much[17:04:23] <umccullough> most of my machines run WinXP[17:04:32] <umccullough> and a few Server 2003 machines[17:04:41] <umccullough> i write .NET software for a living :/[17:04:46] *** stargater has quit IRC[17:04:59] <sh0i> lol[17:05:00] <sh0i> ok[17:05:00] <sh0i> :D[17:05:02] <umccullough> my laptop has ubunut 7.04, XP, BeOS R5, and Haiku on it though :)[17:05:05] <umccullough> ubuntu[17:05:26] <sh0i> eehehhehe[17:05:27] <sh0i> beos :D[17:05:28] <sh0i> good[17:05:29] <sh0i> :D[17:05:31] <umccullough> and i have a dedicated BeOS R5/Haiku machine also[17:05:38] *** emitrax has quit IRC[17:05:43] <sh0i> wa[17:05:44] <sh0i> :D[17:06:42] <umccullough> I think i'm going to change my new C2D E6750 machine over to linux64[17:07:10] <sh0i> yeah[17:07:11] <sh0i> :D[17:08:57] *** BePower2 has joined #haiku[17:14:30] *** procton__ has quit IRC[17:19:33] *** BePower2 has quit IRC[17:22:36] *** BePower has quit IRC[17:27:32] <kad77> umc: the new linux kernel implements the CFS scheduler, so the desktop experience should be improved[17:29:24] <NeoOokami> I haven't really noticed much of a difference with the change so far.[17:30:19] *** nielx has quit IRC[17:32:12] <kad77> try under load, with a bunch of cideos running[17:33:15] <kad77> apparently it comes into play when the OS gets a bunch of i/o ops going at once. I have seen this bring X to a crawl, supposely this is addresssed with CFS[17:34:23] <CIA-5> korli * r22533 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/ (27 files in 12 dirs): added some tsearch and iconv functions,[17:35:39] <NeoOokami> kad77: Yeah, I've been meaning to emerge mame and see how that goes. That used to make my system weep.[17:38:28] <umccullough> kad77, not looking for a desktop experience actually ;)[17:38:34] *** kokito has joined #haiku[17:38:44] <kokito> good morning folks[17:39:07] <umccullough> kad77, for linux on the C2D i'd like a scheduler that gives nearly every cycle to a single process ;)[17:39:52] <umccullough> morning kokito[17:41:49] <kokito> hi umccullough[17:45:29] <umccullough> kokito, you saw this?: http://haiku-os.org/blog/nielx/2007-10-13/t_dose_i[17:50:24] <kokito> yes umccullough, I did. good to see Niels advancing the Haiku cause :)[17:50:40] <umccullough> unfortunately he's all alone i guess :([17:50:51] <umccullough> i'm gonna hang out in #t-dose a bit and maybe stir up some interest[17:50:52] <kokito> yeah, too bad... :/[17:51:04] <kokito> hmmm... good idea ;)[17:51:05] <umccullough> but first I need to figure out how to point people his way[17:51:10] <kokito> is it on freenode?[17:51:13] <umccullough> i don't know where he's located[17:51:15] <umccullough> yeah[17:51:18] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[17:52:46] <umccullough> so far, nobody has said anything :/[17:56:14] *** TheNerd_LT has joined #haiku[17:59:47] <kokito> umccullough, I should not chat before I have my morning cup of coffee...[17:59:52] *** BePower has joined #haiku[18:00:11] <umccullough> :)[18:00:16] <umccullough> i tried to help you ;)[18:01:44] * [Katisu] imagines umccullough's circuit breaker box turning into a heater[18:01:51] <kokito> thanx. I was still able to make a fool of myself :P[18:04:10] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:09:45] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[18:10:10] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:15:33] *** meisje has joined #haiku[18:15:51] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22534 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/TRoster.cpp:[18:15:51] <CIA-5> ppInfoList deletes its elements on destruction, and we didn't clear our[18:15:51] <CIA-5> temporary list after deleting its elements manually.[18:17:06] *** meisje has quit IRC[18:17:33] *** BePower has quit IRC[18:18:49] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22535 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/RegistrarThreadManager.cpp:[18:18:49] <CIA-5> Fixed some instances of incorrect erase() while iterating. Shouldn't[18:18:49] <CIA-5> have been a problem though, since the iterated container is a list.[18:24:29] *** M_199 is now known as Master199[18:24:52] <kokito> umccullough, got tired of the monologue, eh? :P[18:30:12] <umccullough> actually, i had to go change my daughter's diaper[18:30:31] <umccullough> and i do need to do chores ;)[18:30:45] <umccullough> but other than that, yes - i did tire of it :D[18:31:12] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[18:36:17] *** Euver has quit IRC[18:37:56] *** atla_ has quit IRC[18:46:21] *** BePower has joined #haiku[18:56:26] *** oco2 has quit IRC[18:56:30] *** pl_away is now known as plfiorini[18:56:35] <plfiorini> korli: hehe i understand :)[18:56:40] *** wildur has quit IRC[18:58:26] *** rhu has quit IRC[19:00:10] *** rhu has joined #haiku[19:01:04] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[19:08:52] *** korli has quit IRC[19:14:24] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22536 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/glteapot/GLObject.cpp: Patch by Vasilis Kaoutsis: Fixed warning.[19:18:43] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22537 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/posix/ (15 files in 6 dirs): Patch by Vasilis Kaoutsis: Style cleanup, "OpenBeOS license" -> "MIT license".[19:20:20] *** emitrax_ has joined #haiku[19:20:47] *** rennj has quit IRC[19:22:15] *** emitrax has quit IRC[19:23:49] <plfiorini> was my patch accepted?[19:24:11] <plfiorini> cool, my first patch! :)[19:25:23] *** cps1966 has joined #haiku[19:38:22] * JonathanThompson hands plfiorini a bandaird[19:38:29] <JonathanThompson> Er, bandaid, even.[19:38:37] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[19:38:46] <plfiorini> :)[19:39:01] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[19:39:45] <JonathanThompson> It can be entertaining to see what new typos come out, eh, plfiorini?[19:42:38] <MrSunshine> plfiorini, what patch have you done? :)[19:43:12] <MrSunshine> layout thingie?[19:43:44] <plfiorini> MrSunshine: yes a stupid one[19:44:13] *** [1][Katisu] has joined #haiku[19:44:31] * JonathanThompson paraphrases, "There are no small patches, only small patchers!" and realizes he botched it up, but submits it anyway[19:45:31] <MrSunshine> atleast it did get commited :)[19:46:19] <JonathanThompson> I suppose a lot of saner people would consider what's being worked on, and consider that the developers should be committed, but hey, how many people go into software development and stay in it that others would consider sane? :)[19:47:00] <kad77> JT: I think people need to work on Haiku to stay sane dealing with windows for decades ... sometimes linux for that matter :D[19:47:25] * JonathanThompson notes Windows has only existed a little over 2 decades from the start :)[19:47:44] <JonathanThompson> I suppose from your POV, it just feels like decades :P[19:47:48] <kad77> well, you get the point. Its like wearingthe same suit or clothes forever[19:48:04] * JonathanThompson has dress shoes he still wears from 1992[19:48:19] <kad77> not something people choose to do, we buy new clothes whe they wear out or are sick of them[19:48:24] <JonathanThompson> I don't wear them everyday, of course.[19:48:46] <JonathanThompson> Well, I've known a lot of people that buy new clothes just because they're new.[19:48:58] <JonathanThompson> Doesn't make much sense to spend dollars in that way to me, but hey, what do I know?[19:49:18] <JonathanThompson> Besides, there's a lot of computer geeks that do the same thing, but substituting computers instead of clothes.[19:49:19] <kad77> of course, many peopel dfon't care. when xp had the themes, how many ever changed from the default? less than 5%?[19:49:49] <JonathanThompson> The most common change I've seen people make is configuring new cursors and sounds.[19:49:56] <JonathanThompson> Beyond that, not really.[19:50:04] <kad77> brb, burning papers outside[19:51:22] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[19:51:24] <Stargater> re[19:52:42] *** [2][Katisu] has joined #haiku[19:54:28] <plfiorini> anyway it's really fast: you patch, build a new vmware image, boot and test[19:54:50] <plfiorini> this process is faster than patching let's say a kde app, build and start the app[19:54:56] <plfiorini> <evilgreen>[19:58:58] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[20:00:28] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[20:00:29] *** [2][Katisu] is now known as [Katisu][20:07:48] *** [1][Katisu] has quit IRC[20:08:47] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[20:12:36] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[20:15:15] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[20:18:53] *** NeoOokami has quit IRC[20:19:49] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[20:22:01] *** HighlandBEOS has joined #haiku[20:22:06] <HighlandBEOS> Hi![20:22:20] <HighlandBEOS> hum.. help ?[20:22:31] *** HighlandBEOS is now known as Highlander[20:22:43] *** Highlander is now known as C_Highlander[20:24:06] *** emitrax has quit IRC[20:24:08] *** alpha-li1n has joined #haiku[20:24:42] <C_Highlander> I've trouble using CIFS-Mounter :/[20:26:18] <Thom_Holwerda> who doesnt[20:26:20] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[20:27:11] *** sloar has joined #haiku[20:27:25] <Disreali> it doesn't work[20:28:58] <C_Highlander> damned[20:30:10] <C_Highlander> using cifs via terminal should work?[20:33:20] <C_Highlander> is there another way to mount smb device ?[20:34:37] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:34:43] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[20:42:15] *** alpha-lion has quit IRC[20:42:41] *** alpha-li1n is now known as alpha-lion[20:47:14] *** aphedox__ is now known as aphedox[20:48:16] *** cps1966 has left #haiku[20:59:15] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[20:59:56] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:02:37] <urnenfeld> anyone can confirm net_server+svn+ssh is a bad combination for working in the haiku tree ?[21:05:11] <mmu_man> it's probably not a good one :)[21:13:39] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[21:14:42] *** [1]umccullough has joined #haiku[21:17:54] <urnenfeld> so? bone?[21:19:09] *** BePower has quit IRC[21:21:20] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[21:21:49] *** Zure has joined #haiku[21:21:56] <Zure> hi there[21:23:03] <Zure> can anyone help me with my svn troubles please?[21:24:49] <Zure> is there anyway of using svn through a proxy?[21:28:42] <mmu_man> hmm it can use http but I'm not sure if it can pass through a proxy[21:28:59] <Stargater> mmu_man i need help with BBitmaps :-)[21:29:15] <Stargater> i habe make in wonderbrusch i icon png ti Bitmap header[21:29:22] <Stargater> in my class[21:29:43] <Stargater> create a bitmap =[21:29:44] <Stargater> bitmap = new BBitmap(BRect(0,0,24,24),B_RGBA32,true,true);[21:29:50] <mmu_man> in english ?[21:30:15] <Stargater> and with = bitmap->SetBits(kBitmap_CD24Bits, 24, 0, kBitmapFormat);[21:30:31] <Stargater> but the BBitmap is empty in my app[21:31:03] <Stargater> the Draw(BRect ,,) and co is ok[21:31:10] <Stargater> any odears ?[21:31:19] <Stargater> any idears?[21:33:25] *** rgb has joined #haiku[21:34:17] *** umccullough has quit IRC[21:34:18] *** [1]umccullough is now known as umccullough[21:36:01] *** [1][Katisu] has joined #haiku[21:36:33] <mmu_man> keep in mind calling SetBits() with RGB24 actually wants an RGB32 bitmap[21:39:18] <Stargater> in bitmap header is const color_space kBitmapFormat = B_RGBA32;[21:40:30] <mmu_man> you must use RGB24[21:40:39] <mmu_man> or...[21:40:46] <mmu_man> hmm can't remember which trick there is[21:40:57] <mmu_man> I usually just use Bits() and memcpy() myself[21:41:13] <Stargater> ok thx i will playing[21:42:10] *** BePower has joined #haiku[21:42:49] *** SprMa has quit IRC[21:46:12] <Zure> would anyone be able to send me a tar of the haiku source and build tools? as I cant download them my self as im behind a proxy[21:49:05] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[21:49:06] *** [1][Katisu] is now known as [Katisu][21:49:37] <Zure> crimp forgot that, jsut remeberd how big it is[21:49:43] <Zure> *forget[21:53:32] *** Zure has quit IRC[22:03:23] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[22:13:57] *** sloar has quit IRC[22:26:46] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[22:29:07] *** ThomHolwerda has joined #haiku[22:29:28] <DaaT> ThomHolwerda![22:29:38] <ThomHolwerda> DaaT![22:29:44] * ThomHolwerda cheers[22:29:47] <kokito> Thom_Holwerda! DaaT![22:29:58] * ThomHolwerda cheers for kokito too[22:30:06] <kokito> yay! :P[22:30:07] *** urnenfeldb has joined #haiku[22:30:13] <kokito> urnenfeldb![22:30:24] <ThomHolwerda> enough with the cheering :P[22:30:34] <urnenfeldb> kokito!![22:30:41] <DaaT> kokito!![22:30:46] <DaaT> :P[22:30:48] <kokito> como va colega? ;)[22:30:54] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[22:31:01] <urnenfeldb> he ido a pulirme una parte de mi sueldo[22:31:01] <DaaT> tudo bem e contigo?[22:31:17] <urnenfeldb> tudo bem :)[22:31:19] <kokito> tudo bem, tudo bem :)[22:31:32] <ThomHolwerda> bem = "good"?[22:31:43] <DaaT> yep[22:31:46] <kokito> bem = bien = good[22:31:47] <urnenfeldb> sim[22:31:50] <ThomHolwerda> yeah exactly[22:31:51] <DaaT> or, "well"[22:31:55] <ThomHolwerda> thats how i deducted it[22:32:02] <DaaT> tudo=all[22:32:09] <DaaT> bom also "good"[22:32:10] <kokito> tudo = todo = all[22:32:16] <DaaT> depends on the context[22:32:23] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:32:38] <ThomHolwerda> "erg goed" in dutch.[22:32:49] <ThomHolwerda> no, not true[22:32:55] <ThomHolwerda> "alles goed"[22:32:56] <DaaT> liar!![22:32:58] <DaaT> :P[22:33:09] <ThomHolwerda> "erg goed" is "very good"[22:34:11] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[22:34:20] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[22:35:15] *** TheNerd_LT has quit IRC[22:37:37] *** acidx has joined #haiku[22:39:03] *** ThomHolwerda has quit IRC[22:39:49] *** ThomHolwerda has joined #haiku[22:42:04] *** ThomHolwerda has quit IRC[22:42:47] *** ThomHolwerda has joined #haiku[22:44:11] <DaaT> make up your mind :)[22:46:45] <ThomHolwerda> mandriva crapping out[22:46:48] <ThomHolwerda> better put[22:46:52] <ThomHolwerda> kde crapping out[22:50:59] <DaaT> i'm on opensuse here[22:51:02] *** genkie has quit IRC[22:51:03] <DaaT> installed it yesterday[22:51:34] <ThomHolwerda> liking it?[22:51:43] <DaaT> surprisingly, yes[22:51:49] <DaaT> it's still linux, but it's ok[22:51:49] <DaaT> :P[22:51:52] <ThomHolwerda> opensuse 10.3 crashed badly when i installed it when i switched on xgl[22:52:03] <DaaT> didn't here[22:52:07] <ThomHolwerda> wouldnt load x anymore, not even kdm/gdm[22:52:08] <DaaT> using it atm[22:52:13] <DaaT> ouch[22:52:14] <ThomHolwerda> good[22:55:39] <ThomHolwerda> damn, osnews still down[22:55:42] <ThomHolwerda> grumble[22:55:48] <DaaT> it's down?[22:55:55] <ThomHolwerda> yup[22:56:00] <DaaT> what happened?[22:56:17] <ThomHolwerda> dunno[22:56:33] <DaaT> bummer[22:57:23] <DaaT> strange, when playing a xvid here in opensuse, the video doesn't seem as fluid as it does under xp[22:57:27] <DaaT> tried totem and vlc, same thing[22:57:38] <DaaT> only tried one file though[22:58:02] <ThomHolwerda> kernel's fault[22:58:03] *** Ed__ has joined #haiku[22:58:10] <Ed__> woot - i just booted haiku on vmware :)[22:58:14] <Ed__> looks quite good :)[22:58:53] <DaaT> ThomHolwerda: how so?[22:58:56] <DaaT> and what to do?[22:59:37] <Ed__> i ran some commands in the terminal to see what happened[23:00:28] <Ed__> i ran ps and i saw that one of the big differences with the OS i currently use a lot (freebsd) is that the haiku kernel doesn't have `wait channels', but just lists on which semaphore a thread is blocked[23:01:38] <ThomHolwerda> DaaT: the linux kernel isnt made for playing videos and such[23:01:54] <DaaT> bastard[23:01:55] <DaaT> :)[23:02:19] <Ed__> but i was wondering: what kind of mechanism does the haiku kernel implement to perform priority {inversion.propagation}[23:02:36] <ThomHolwerda> oh mysql crashed on charles (one of the dedicated osnews servers)[23:03:11] *** Stargater has quit IRC[23:03:17] <DaaT> ahhh[23:04:14] <Ed__> (and what's the "big brother is whatching you" process?)[23:06:11] <urnenfeldb> i think there is no inversion implemented Ed__[23:08:20] <Ed__> so semaphores are the single method used for synchronisation in the kernel?[23:08:30] <Ed__> no thread owned mutexes or so?[23:08:41] <urnenfeldb> hmm we have also may you know as message boxes[23:08:43] <Ed__> (not to judge an OS on something like that; just out of curiosity)[23:08:55] *** fyysik has quit IRC[23:09:00] <urnenfeldb> called ports in BeOS/Haiku[23:09:22] *** nielx has joined #haiku[23:09:32] <nielx> hola[23:09:52] <urnenfeldb> and spinlocks for more hardcore stuff[23:10:15] <Ed__> alright; especially for stuff coming from the bottom half of the kernel (like interrupts)[23:10:25] <urnenfeldb> yeah :)[23:10:33] <Ed__> makes sense[23:11:20] <Ed__> on freebsd it's the other way around where you only have mutexes that can spin or sleep and conditional variables[23:11:39] <urnenfeldb> cond var and mutex and many of the pthread stuff is provided but outside the uKernel[23:11:55] <Ed__> urnenfeldb: freebsd also has that approach in the kernel[23:12:03] <Ed__> through mtx_* and cv_* routines[23:12:14] *** DaaT has quit IRC[23:12:17] <Ed__> the sema_* routines are just implemented through the latter[23:12:40] *** aldeck_ has joined #haiku[23:13:03] <urnenfeldb> i guess all ends up being the same ASM operations isnt it?[23:13:05] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22538 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[23:13:05] <CIA-5> * Added fDelegate member.[23:13:06] <CIA-5> * Removed private AutoDeleter class. The shared ArrayDeleter is used instead.[23:13:32] <Ed__> what exactly?[23:13:37] *** oco_ has joined #haiku[23:13:38] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[23:13:39] <Ed__> hmm - i should really find some time to dig into the source code :)[23:13:44] * DaaT slaps ThomHolwerda[23:14:02] <urnenfeldb> in general all sync OS resources[23:14:16] <Ed__> indeed. in practice it won't really matter[23:14:28] <Ed__> especially if you're running a really non-real-time OS[23:14:35] * nielx is a bit scared for his T-DOSE talk[23:14:42] <Ed__> nielx: ik kom morgen ook! :P[23:14:55] <nielx> wat leuk![23:15:00] <Ed__> (at least, i hope - i've been ill for the last 5 days)[23:15:20] <nielx> and you realize they put me at the most horrible time ever?[23:15:25] <nielx> 11:00 AM on a SUNDAY[23:15:27] <Ed__> :D[23:15:33] <Ed__> quite nice: t-dose is being held at my very own school :)[23:15:47] <nielx> ah, you cheater :-)[23:15:52] <nielx> you probably could go by bike[23:15:59] <Ed__> no. i live quite far from school[23:16:02] <Ed__> about 40-50 km by car[23:16:15] <nielx> while my train leaves from Rotterdam Zuid at 7:38[23:16:16] <Ed__> too lazy to find a place in eindhoven[23:16:37] *** urnenfeldb is now known as urnenfeld[23:16:41] <Ed__> my girlfriend doesn't live far from me, so that's a reason to stay[23:16:45] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[23:17:06] <Ed__> urnenfeld: thanks for your explanation :)[23:17:11] *** oco_ has quit IRC[23:17:23] <urnenfeld> oh ur welcome ;)[23:17:33] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22539 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[23:17:33] <CIA-5> The info about partitionable space will be provided by the userland disk[23:17:33] <CIA-5> system add-ons. First work to make this class usable for them.[23:18:44] <nielx> anyway, at what time will you be arriving? (if you go?)[23:19:53] <Ed__> nielx: probably ten-ish[23:20:03] <Ed__> probably even earlier[23:20:13] <Ed__> i'm leaving by car at 8:30, which means i'll arrive at 9:15-9:30[23:20:43] <Ed__> but i'm going with a friend of mine, and he's often late[23:20:49] <nielx> ah well :-)[23:21:07] <nielx> bring your camera![23:21:24] *** oco2 has quit IRC[23:21:56] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[23:22:01] <Ed__> i don't have one :([23:22:09] <Ed__> i could steal my dad's camera tomorrow[23:22:17] <Ed__> i think i'll do that. :)[23:22:28] <nielx> please. I don't own a camera[23:22:31] <Ed__> :D[23:22:33] <nielx> and people want pictures :-)[23:23:06] <DaaT> nielx: t-dose?[23:23:19] <Ed__> DaaT: yup[23:23:32] <nielx> DaaT: www.t-dose.org[23:23:36] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[23:23:57] <DaaT> saw your post over at haiku-os[23:24:12] <DaaT> you wrote "gmt 1", should be "gmt 10" ;)[23:24:27] <DaaT> since it's at 11am over there[23:24:45] <nielx> I wanted to write gmt + 1, but I forgot DST[23:24:53] <DaaT> ahhhhhhhhhhhh[23:24:56] <nielx> anyway, I won't be broadcasted[23:25:02] <DaaT> i stand corrected :)[23:25:03] <nielx> I did the post with my mobile[23:25:32] *** rgb has quit IRC[23:25:59] *** stargater has joined #haiku[23:26:02] <stargater> re[23:27:28] *** mats has quit IRC[23:27:33] <Ed__> nielx: so silly that they don't air it all[23:27:49] <Ed__> i wanted to see some of the talks today from home, because i was ill[23:27:56] <Ed__> and they didn't show any of the talks i wanted to see[23:28:26] *** aldeck has quit IRC[23:29:36] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22540 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[23:29:36] <CIA-5> * Initialization of BPartition::Delegate is now two-phased. The first phase[23:29:36] <CIA-5> builds the object hierarchy, the second will (in case of MutableDelegate)[23:29:36] <CIA-5> let the disk systems do their initialization. This way the disk systems[23:29:37] <CIA-5> already find a fully functional object hierarchy they can work with.[23:29:38] <CIA-5> * Child creation also takes a partition name as a parameter, now.[23:29:41] <CIA-5> * Implemented BMutablePartition child creation/deletion.[23:30:41] <nielx> Ed__: which ones were you interested in?[23:31:23] <stargater> mmu_man: DaaT next BeGeistert is in December, 7- 9.12.07 Homepage will later updatet for regestrations[23:31:41] <stargater> in Düsseldorf old place :-)[23:31:44] <mmu_man> ah ok :)[23:32:04] <oco2> oh a good news ![23:32:11] <Ed__> nielx: efficient data structures[23:32:33] <nielx> Ed__: saw that one. I'll introduce you to the speaker[23:32:41] <Ed__> Debugging and tracing on Embedded Linux systems[23:32:46] <Ed__> that one sounded nice as well[23:32:51] <Ed__> and KDE Application Programming of course[23:32:52] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22541 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/partitioning_systems/intel/ (PartitionMap.cpp PartitionMap.h):[23:32:52] <CIA-5> Added a few handy methods. The PartitionType::Set*() methods return bool[23:32:52] <CIA-5> (valid), now.[23:32:59] <Ed__> because Adriaan is a good guy ;)[23:33:08] <nielx> yes, I met Adriaan six years ago[23:33:16] <DaaT> stargater: thanks for the news :)[23:33:21] <stargater> np[23:33:44] <kokito> nielx!![23:33:57] <Ed__> i've been talking to Adriaan + Sebastian Kugler on a lot of unexpected occasions[23:33:59] <kokito> have been some lobbying for you on #t-dose[23:34:26] <nielx> I lobbied at the social event as well[23:34:29] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22542 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Beginnings of a userland intel disk system add-on.[23:34:32] <Ed__> i went to linuxtag earlier this year and when i boarded the train to berlin, it turned out our seats were next to theirs[23:34:34] <nielx> which was good: free food :-)[23:35:36] <Ed__> anyway: i'm going to bed[23:35:50] <Ed__> i'll talk to you tomorrow[23:35:55] <Ed__> is there some kind of haiku booth?[23:36:10] <nielx> no[23:36:21] <nielx> look for http://nielx.hyves.nl[23:36:53] <Ed__> hijfs :)[23:37:12] <stargater> nielx: make you photos from T-Dos[23:37:44] <Ed__> heh, a b&w picture. thanks. :P[23:38:00] <Ed__> i assume your hair is brown?[23:39:49] <nielx> dark blond[23:39:58] <nielx> stargater: Ed__ will make pictures[23:40:08] <Ed__> doesn't really matter if i can't find you; i'm going to the talk anyway[23:40:12] <Ed__> well, see you tomorrow :)[23:40:13] <Ed__> bye![23:41:00] <stargater> ah ok[23:41:48] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:44:30] <Ingenu> good night[23:44:50] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:53:03] *** ThomHolwerda has quit IRC[23:54:13] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[23:58:14] <nielx> kokito: I hope there will be people :-)[23:58:44] <stargater> nielx: no parnic :-)[23:58:56] <nielx> If Ed spots me tomorrow, he can lobby for me[23:59:10] <nielx> btw: (commercial message) http://haiku-os.org/blog/nielx/2007-10-13/t_dose_ii[23:59:30] <stargater> :-)[23:59:58] <nielx> I have my laptop with Windows (evil me)