October 10, 2007 
< | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | >
October 10, 2007 [00:00:30] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[00:00:34] *** ThomHolwerda has quit IRC[00:00:58] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[00:01:51] <mmu_man> ahh[00:01:58] <mmu_man> http://sources.redhat.com/ml/gdb-patches/2004-05/msg00056.html[00:03:43] <mmu_man> doesn't tell me which is MSB[00:09:56] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[00:10:51] *** korli has quit IRC[00:12:16] *** Ketsuban has joined #haiku[00:12:47] *** emitrax has quit IRC[00:16:07] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:17:33] *** mmadia has quit IRC[00:27:00] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[00:39:17] *** stargater has quit IRC[00:41:26] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[00:44:59] *** petterhj has quit IRC[00:55:11] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[00:58:05] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[01:10:10] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[01:10:57] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[01:15:16] *** SDragon has joined #haiku[01:15:17] *** SDr has quit IRC[01:17:21] *** SDr has joined #haiku[01:17:46] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:19:59] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:20:13] *** oco has quit IRC[01:20:17] *** frodobeg25 has quit IRC[01:21:47] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[01:35:44] *** SDragon has quit IRC[01:39:26] *** frodobeg25 has joined #haiku[01:50:35] *** umccullough_work has joined #haiku[01:51:39] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[01:52:01] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[02:12:10] <kokito> DeadYak!![02:19:24] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[02:19:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[02:20:58] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[02:26:18] *** joejaxx has joined #haiku[02:33:42] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[02:41:16] *** JamesB192 has quit IRC[02:41:46] *** JamesB192 has joined #haiku[02:45:37] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:49:49] *** mat_gee1 has left #haiku[02:50:44] *** mat_gee1 has joined #haiku[02:51:11] *** mat_gee1 has left #haiku[02:54:51] *** mat_gee1 has joined #haiku[02:56:03] *** mat_gee1 has left #haiku[02:57:10] *** mat_geek has joined #haiku[03:02:28] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[03:06:45] <DeadYak> kokito![03:13:02] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[03:14:04] <umccullough_work> DeadYak and kokito![03:14:05] <umccullough_work> ;)[03:14:20] <kokito> umccullough_work, still at work?[03:14:33] <DeadYak> umccullough_work![03:14:34] <umccullough_work> yes[03:15:02] <kokito> umccullough_work, you took some pics yesterday, right?[03:15:22] <umccullough_work> kokito, i did on sunday...yes[03:15:29] <umccullough_work> i need to get them off the camera still :P[03:16:17] <kokito> if you want, I can upload them to the norcal-hug site for you[03:17:14] <umccullough_work> i'll see what I can do tonight[03:17:20] <umccullough_work> either way, i'll have to upload them somewhere ;)[03:18:02] <umccullough_work> [System-Uptime] 4d 8h 24m 11s [HydraIRC-Uptime] 1h 27m 24s[03:18:21] <kokito> umccullough_work, no rush :)[03:20:24] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[03:25:12] <kokito> umccullough_work, you can put a ZIP somewhere, and I will do the rest.[03:25:52] <umccullough_work> ok[03:26:02] <umccullough_work> kokito, you did eventually get the raw FC07 vid right?[03:26:55] <kokito> umccullough, I was able to download it (after several failed attempts), but I was never able to expand it[03:27:04] <umccullough_work> 7zip[03:27:12] <kokito> yes, I know[03:27:15] <umccullough_work> http://www.7-zip.org/[03:27:44] <kokito> it was a no go[03:29:49] <umccullough_work> oh well[03:29:52] <umccullough_work> sorry[03:30:02] <umccullough_work> i suppose i could bz2 it[03:32:51] <kokito> you think the file extension may have been the wrong one?[03:32:58] <kokito> that did not occur to me...[03:33:30] *** yawlright has joined #haiku[03:33:42] <umccullough_work> no, i 7z'd it[03:33:46] <Sikosis> ill just check if u like[03:34:00] <umccullough_work> so if that's hte extension, it's definitely 7zip[03:34:28] <kokito> hmmm...[03:35:09] <Sikosis> no it was 7z alright[03:35:26] <Sikosis> file size 7,446,374 kb[03:35:29] <umccullough_work> 7z is one of my favorites :)[03:35:36] <Sikosis> well its free ;)[03:35:48] <umccullough_work> Sikosis, maybe you can md5 it for him so he can make sure it's not corrupt?[03:35:54] <Sikosis> i think I used WinRAR to extract it though[03:36:20] <umccullough_work> i gotta go home...ttyl[03:36:58] *** M199 has joined #haiku[03:37:11] *** umccullough_work has left #haiku[03:39:53] *** pyCube has quit IRC[03:41:36] *** NeoOokami has quit IRC[03:53:58] *** acidx has quit IRC[03:54:23] *** M_199 has quit IRC[04:00:13] *** insomnia has quit IRC[04:02:31] *** Darknesss is now known as Darknezzzzzzz[04:03:06] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[04:04:20] *** insomnia has joined #Haiku[04:06:49] *** yawlright has quit IRC[04:12:55] *** JamesB192 has quit IRC[04:15:52] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[04:17:53] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[04:36:32] *** kokito has quit IRC[04:39:59] *** insomnia has left #Haiku[04:55:19] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[05:08:18] *** insomnia has joined #Haiku[05:19:22] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[05:27:31] *** rennj has joined #haiku[05:53:32] *** Disreali has quit IRC[06:14:04] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[06:33:09] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[06:34:24] <Begasus> morning peeps[06:34:56] *** kad77 has joined #haiku[06:56:08] <cyrann> skeebeedee Begasus[06:56:20] *** cyrann is now known as skeebeedee[06:56:57] <Begasus> ;)[07:03:23] * JonathanThompson coughs into the channel[07:03:51] <Begasus> no jirms in here pls ;)[07:04:04] <Begasus> that has to be wrong .... (typo) ;)[07:04:28] <JonathanThompson> Definitely wrong :)[07:06:56] <Begasus> yeah though so ;)[07:07:16] <Begasus> a good thing you didn't sneeze into the channel ...[07:07:30] <Begasus> germs *[07:07:32] <Begasus> ;)[07:08:33] <JonathanThompson> A local news story hit me as odd and sad in the oddity.[07:09:03] <JonathanThompson> A group of 10 skydivers were killed when their small plane had mechanical failure and they crashed.... all those wasted parachutes.[07:10:15] <Begasus> what??[07:10:25] * Begasus slaps JonathanThompson :P[07:10:45] <JonathanThompson> It's both odd and sad at the same time: they had the solution to survive, but didn't use it.[07:11:04] <Begasus> they probly didn't got the change to use them ...[07:11:05] <JonathanThompson> Instead, I'm not sure of the details, but they've been reclaiming their bodies off the side of a mountain.[07:11:25] * JonathanThompson figured that story would be a "Say WHAT?" response creator[07:13:19] <Stamrogh> Say WHAT?[07:13:38] <JonathanThompson> See, Begasus? :)[07:13:45] <Begasus> ;)[07:13:54] <Sikosis> Say Captain[07:14:03] <skeebeedee> i once knew a jirm named f(x') = g(x') @x' ∈ ∪ <=> f⎮∪ = g⎮∪ <=> f ~x g[07:14:26] <Sikosis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pqC563bX_w[07:14:36] <Begasus> 0_o[07:14:58] <Begasus> yeah ... oldie Sikosis ;)[07:15:09] <Sikosis> Begasus: yup :)[07:15:30] <Begasus> haven't heard that in ages ... ;)[07:15:55] <Begasus> the glory days ... hehe[07:18:16] <JonathanThompson> Nu guts, no gory, Begasus :)[07:19:20] * JonathanThompson wonders how many guys in the channel have a job where they can go to work in a t-shirt, shorts and sandals and possibly be more dressed than the bosses[07:19:43] <JonathanThompson> After all, if I keep something on the bottom of my feet, that may exceed what management is doing.[07:19:52] <geist> if you are the boss does that make it recursive?[07:20:17] <Begasus> hhe[07:20:33] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps, geist, it at least makes relationships a little odd :)[07:20:47] <JonathanThompson> "I'm better-dressed than the boss! Wait a minute, I AM the boss!"[07:21:13] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps a mulltiple personality disordered person could make it work.[07:21:57] <JonathanThompson> I know at Microsoft, dress "code" is also rather... lax.[07:22:20] <JonathanThompson> I know someone through church that says he's worn workout clothes.... I hope that at least they were clean.[07:23:39] * JonathanThompson debates what to do before going to bed tonight[07:39:58] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[07:39:59] *** pyCube has quit IRC[07:39:59] *** Cube-ness has quit IRC[07:40:01] *** pyCube__ has joined #haiku[07:52:09] <kad77> found a inexpensive source of quality hardware RAID cards if anyone is looking (PCIe, SAS/SATA, 8 port, intel IOPs xor processor)[07:52:22] *** caliban19 has joined #haiku[07:52:44] *** caliban19 is now known as ToddB[07:53:59] *** ToddB is now known as deepspawn[07:54:20] *** deepspawn is now known as __ToddB__[07:56:28] <pyCube__> hey[07:56:33] <__ToddB__> long time[07:56:40] <pyCube__> yeah[07:56:58] <pyCube__> how have you been?[07:57:11] <__ToddB__> really well.. liking Cali[07:57:23] <pyCube__> where in cali?[07:57:28] <__ToddB__> San Luis Obispo[07:57:35] <pyCube__> ah.. yeah.. nice area[07:57:48] <__ToddB__> like my job a lot, hell of an improvement over indiana[07:58:02] <__ToddB__> though have to use C# vs python[07:58:07] <JonathanThompson> What are you doing there?[07:58:12] <JonathanThompson> Whom for?[07:58:27] <pyCube__> wouldnt it be who?[07:58:34] <__ToddB__> writing mission control software for UAVs, Aeromech Indiana[07:58:46] <__ToddB__> writing mission control software for UAVs, Aeromech Engineering, not Indiana[08:00:21] <cizra> What's an UAV?[08:00:36] <__ToddB__> unmanned aerial vehicle[08:01:01] <__ToddB__> basically autonomous remote controlled airplane[08:01:06] <cizra> OK[08:26:12] *** __ToddB__ has quit IRC[08:29:50] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[08:29:55] *** agony_ has joined #haiku[08:33:27] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[08:43:39] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[08:45:21] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[08:46:55] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[08:57:05] *** Penix_ is now known as Penix[08:57:06] *** SDr has quit IRC[08:57:06] *** SDragon has joined #haiku[08:59:26] <Sikosis> cizra: looks like u dont play enuff battlefield 2 :)[08:59:42] *** SDr has joined #haiku[09:04:15] *** SprMa has quit IRC[09:04:21] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:16:21] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[09:17:36] *** SDragon has quit IRC[09:17:44] *** SDragon has joined #haiku[09:23:43] *** SDr has quit IRC[09:27:48] *** AlienSoldierAWAY has quit IRC[09:34:04] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:42:29] *** Begasus is now known as Begasus_bbl[09:48:30] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[09:48:39] <MrSunshine> this is strange, when booting the beosmax on laptop .. keyboard nor mouse works :()[09:48:48] <MrSunshine> tho windows says they are both ps/2[09:54:24] *** Darknezzzzzzz has quit IRC[10:01:26] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[10:03:48] <Ingenu> yesterday night I did restart my comp to do something quick[10:03:58] <Ingenu> obviously I forgot that Vista is no BeOS[10:04:27] <Ingenu> after around 5 minutes (due to boot up defrag in part) I could do what I wanted...[10:04:30] <Ingenu> I miss the BeOS a lot[10:06:33] <cizra> Hmm.. Recreate BeOS? Oh wait, that's what you're doing.[10:06:58] <cizra> How's the progress, by the way?[10:07:14] <Ingenu> well I'm not working on Haiku gave some money but that's about it[10:08:27] <cizra> If I had any spare time, it'd be interesting to do something for Haiku.[10:09:14] <Ingenu> I don't have much spare time, and I'm already spending it on additionnal work (my 3D engine) meaning my social life is reaching dangerous lows[10:09:44] <cizra> You have a social life? Lucky you.[10:10:44] <Ingenu> ^^[10:11:07] <MrSunshine> cizra, progress in haiku is great imo :)[10:11:31] <cizra> MrSunshine: How do you measure it? Bug numbers, general usability growth, apps made to run successfully?[10:11:49] <MrSunshine> usability growth i guess :)[10:12:09] <cizra> OK. Does it run FreeCiv?[10:12:14] <MrSunshine> but still i dont think it runs on my laptop :)[10:12:17] <cizra> aaaand Firefox[10:12:20] <MrSunshine> dont know ... :)[10:12:37] <cizra> Well, think in general. What people want are 1) games, 2) porn[10:13:29] <MrSunshine> i want a good interface to program usb stuff (AVR programming), an easy to use API (check), porn ... and yes games :)[10:13:42] <MrSunshine> and a real desktop OS that isnt as encumbered as windows is :)[10:14:04] <Ingenu> internet connection[10:14:07] <Ingenu> good dev tools[10:14:12] <Ingenu> 3D hardware support[10:14:16] <Ingenu> that's about it for me[10:14:16] <MrSunshine> mmm :)[10:14:23] <MrSunshine> theres alot of stuff one needs :)[10:14:24] <Ingenu> of course good media capability[10:14:33] <Ingenu> otherwise it wouldn't be a BeOS "clone"[10:14:54] *** Darknessss has joined #haiku[10:14:55] <Ingenu> well most people download video/audio and listen/watch them[10:15:00] <MrSunshine> but right now i want haiku self sustaining and some nice way to upgrade it from within .)[10:15:27] <Ingenu> so they need firefox, email client, ftp client, bittorrent, newsgroup client[10:15:35] <Ingenu> flash[10:15:45] <Ingenu> media player[10:15:48] <Ingenu> must be about it[10:15:49] <MrSunshine> hehe :)[10:16:03] <MrSunshine> wifi support[10:16:18] <Ingenu> indeed, broad network support[10:16:50] <MrSunshine> when ath5k supports 5007EG and hopefully is portable enough for beos then im happy :)[10:16:51] <cizra> Linux binary compatibility (like FreeBSD does) would be great[10:16:53] <MrSunshine> beos->haiku[10:19:57] <Ingenu> when Haiku will run natively on my computer I'll be happy[10:34:18] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[10:34:51] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[10:45:58] *** emitrax_ has joined #haiku[10:53:23] *** emitrax has quit IRC[11:06:24] *** SprMa has quit IRC[11:37:53] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[11:38:02] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[11:48:31] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:48:34] <mmu_man> plop[11:49:00] <Ingenu> hey[11:54:59] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[11:56:00] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[11:58:28] <CIA-5> axeld * r22498 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/vm.cpp:[11:58:28] <CIA-5> vm_test_map_{modification|activation}(), vm_clear_map_flags(), and[11:58:28] <CIA-5> vm_remove_all_page_mappings() all computed the wrong virtual address for the[11:58:28] <CIA-5> page in question, and would therefore return incorrect data![11:58:28] <CIA-5> Introduced a virtual_page_address() function that is now used by all of them.[11:58:29] <CIA-5> So that's why we were still "losing" modified flags - it took me some hours[11:58:32] <CIA-5> to find those (sometimes processes died after stealing pages)...[12:13:48] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[12:18:26] <mmu_man> nice[12:18:29] *** SprMa has quit IRC[12:23:18] <JonathanThompson> Clearly, that check-in will have nothing to do regards stability, mmu_man :P[12:31:41] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[12:44:52] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[12:55:41] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[12:57:42] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[13:02:34] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:04:47] *** rdmr has quit IRC[13:38:04] *** SDragon has quit IRC[13:44:17] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[13:45:12] * JonathanThompson lobs a virtual memory subsystem at Ingenu[13:49:55] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[14:07:50] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[14:07:51] *** petterhj has quit IRC[14:15:17] *** TheNerd_WK has joined #haiku[14:30:57] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[14:33:23] *** eric_j has quit IRC[14:34:52] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[14:39:27] *** eric_j has joined #haiku[14:43:13] *** Euver has joined #haiku[14:54:15] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[14:57:07] *** eric_j has quit IRC[14:58:21] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:58:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[15:02:05] <TuneTracker> greetings[15:02:12] <TuneTracker> Howdy mmu_man[15:02:20] <JonathanThompson> Salutations and lobbing of random things :)[15:02:21] <mmu_man> plop[15:02:22] <TuneTracker> plop[15:02:25] <TuneTracker> Hey JonathanThompson[15:02:33] * DeadYak pets JonathanThompson[15:02:43] * JonathanThompson asks, "You rang?" in his best Lurch impersonation[15:02:51] * JonathanThompson feels stroked appropriately[15:03:56] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[15:04:12] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[15:04:14] <JonathanThompson> Hey DeadYak, did you catch the latest axeld check-in?[15:05:01] *** petterhj has quit IRC[15:05:47] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: which? I caught a whole bunch in my digest[15:06:00] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: all of which pertained to the VM[15:06:01] <JonathanThompson> The last one, if I'm not mistaken.[15:06:10] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[15:06:15] <JonathanThompson> 22498[15:06:39] <DeadYak> what about it? :)[15:07:04] <Ingenu> ValVe's Orange Box !!![15:07:06] <JonathanThompson> Seems one of those "Oops!" that's likely to have far more positive effect from being fixed than most :)[15:07:21] <DeadYak> JT: there were several like that :P[15:07:39] <DeadYak> see 22495 :)[15:08:25] *** stargater has joined #haiku[15:08:28] <stargater> Hi[15:09:37] <JonathanThompson> Uh, yeah, that was a rather major one :)[15:10:08] <Ingenu> 562/736 Large-Sclae C++ Software Design[15:10:29] * JonathanThompson notes the countdown is counting up, or at least not counting backwards[15:11:02] <Ingenu> next is Introduction to Parallel Computing : Design and Analysis of Algorithms[15:11:13] <Ingenu> yep it's a ratio read so it must reach 1[15:11:28] * JonathanThompson wonders if Ingenu will start reading all chapters at once and reading them in parallel, a befitting the title[15:11:43] <Ingenu> it's read serial but it teach you to think parallel[15:11:55] <Ingenu> obviously you can't read it parallel since it's what it teach you ;p[15:12:12] * JonathanThompson doesn't think Ingenu is thinking the same way he does sometimes[15:12:23] <Ingenu> that said if you have a computer with windows and like FPS, get the Orange Box[15:12:33] <JonathanThompson> The real skilled reader can do such things as read a book many chapters at once, and then integrate the results in their mind :P[15:13:04] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[15:13:13] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[15:14:39] <Ingenu> no[15:22:02] *** petterhj has quit IRC[15:35:11] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[15:39:00] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[15:40:36] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[15:40:37] *** pyCube__ has quit IRC[15:40:51] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[15:40:57] *** pyCube__ has joined #haiku[15:42:03] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[15:44:25] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[15:51:05] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[15:57:06] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[15:58:28] *** guma has joined #haiku[15:58:32] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[16:00:17] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[16:00:37] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[16:13:47] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22499 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/posix/sys/select.c: Patch by Vasilis Kaoutsis: select() and pselect() set errno correctly now.[16:53:54] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[17:01:41] *** Begasus_bbl has quit IRC[17:03:54] *** PieterPan has joined #haiku[17:04:11] <stargater> hi PieterPan[17:04:20] <PieterPan> Hey stargater[17:04:55] <PieterPan> So I noticed Rudolf is back and doing some work on the nvidia driver[17:04:58] <PieterPan> Good news :)[17:05:13] *** BePower has joined #haiku[17:05:39] <stargater> yes but he is back for ca 4 weeks :-)[17:06:04] <PieterPan> Nice[17:06:27] <PieterPan> I hope he can get my laptop's nvidia card working[17:06:41] <stargater> yes verry nice , but now we need a ATI Driver King[17:07:02] *** Euver has quit IRC[17:07:23] <PieterPan> I'll be back, have to try something[17:07:53] <stargater> oh nice :-)[17:08:07] <PieterPan> tot zo[17:08:15] *** PieterPan has quit IRC[17:08:55] *** fiorini has joined #haiku[17:09:10] <stargater> hi fiorini[17:10:23] *** BePower has quit IRC[17:13:05] *** PieterPan has joined #haiku[17:13:27] <fiorini> hi stargater !![17:13:32] <PieterPan> Meh, ok, so the nvidia driver doesn't work yet with my videocard :)[17:13:39] * wasosa__ is back (gone 19:02:16)[17:13:41] <PieterPan> Just freezes :)[17:13:56] <stargater> PieterPan: window ?[17:14:07] <PieterPan> Haiku of course :)[17:14:18] <fiorini> what about nouveau[17:14:19] <fiorini> ?[17:14:24] <stargater> oh , yust alpha :-)[17:14:27] <stargater> cu later[17:14:33] <fiorini> cu[17:14:38] <PieterPan> I added the pci id to rudolf's driver, but I should know better :)[17:15:08] *** stargater has quit IRC[17:15:21] *** fiorini is now known as plfiorini[17:18:33] *** lorglas has quit IRC[17:26:12] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[17:33:31] *** BePower has joined #haiku[17:37:14] *** zeristor has joined #haiku[17:41:31] *** joltz has joined #haiku[17:46:07] *** meisje has joined #haiku[17:46:51] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[17:55:50] *** emitrax has quit IRC[17:56:46] *** PieterPan has quit IRC[17:57:02] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[17:58:34] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[18:02:44] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:09:52] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[18:12:52] *** kokito has joined #haiku[18:13:13] <kokito> rudolph is back! :)[18:13:55] <kokito> good morning folks, btw :)[18:16:32] <DeadYak> he's been back for like 4 weeks[18:17:03] <DeadYak> :)[18:22:30] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[18:24:21] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:24:46] <Lelldorin1> hi all[18:37:27] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[18:38:46] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[18:39:01] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[18:46:10] <kokito> now you see him, now you don't...[18:54:33] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[18:57:49] *** petterhj has quit IRC[19:01:39] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[19:07:25] *** eric_j has joined #haiku[19:09:18] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[19:14:02] *** agony_ has quit IRC[19:20:02] *** BePower has quit IRC[19:24:16] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[19:24:19] *** eric_j has quit IRC[19:26:24] *** magnetron has joined #haiku[19:30:05] *** stargater has joined #haiku[19:30:12] <stargater> re[19:30:52] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:32:12] *** TheNerd_WK has quit IRC[19:35:20] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[19:35:21] *** Darknessss has quit IRC[19:46:03] *** Haicube has joined #haiku[20:01:37] *** guma has left #haiku[20:02:32] *** steffen_f has joined #haiku[20:04:07] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:07:35] *** e1z0 has quit IRC[20:10:29] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[20:10:59] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:16:41] *** steffen_f_ has joined #haiku[20:17:15] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[20:23:56] *** steffen_f_ has quit IRC[20:24:54] *** alpha-li1n has joined #haiku[20:28:36] *** steffen_f has quit IRC[20:29:05] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[20:30:03] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[20:30:04] *** Haicube has quit IRC[20:31:34] *** Player1 has joined #haiku[20:33:11] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[20:42:22] *** alpha-lion has quit IRC[20:46:17] *** alpha-li1n is now known as alpha-lion[20:49:36] *** joejaxx has quit IRC[20:52:16] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[20:54:01] *** meisje has quit IRC[20:54:27] <TuneTracker> Boy, is this place DEAD today![20:55:35] * TuneTracker gets out the hats and tin horns and tries to generate a little excitement...[20:55:35] <oco> not yet. I am still there[20:55:38] <TuneTracker> hehe[20:55:54] <TuneTracker> Howdy oco[20:56:11] <TuneTracker> Yeah, 75 people in here, and nobody talking![20:56:30] *** joejaxx has joined #haiku[20:56:35] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[20:57:07] *** TuneTracker has joined #Haiku[20:57:20] <TuneTracker> woops[20:57:22] <TuneTracker> re[20:57:34] <CIA-5> axeld * r22500 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_vm_translation_map.cpp: Corrected comment.[20:58:53] <Thom_Holwerda> TuneTracker: JonathanThompson aint here yet[21:03:48] *** BePower has joined #haiku[21:07:15] *** zeristor has quit IRC[21:07:57] *** Player1 has quit IRC[21:11:29] <TuneTracker> someone, please...what is the programmer's term for the implementation of, starting of, actuating of, an activity in a program? I know there's another word and I can't think of what it is right now...[21:11:42] <TuneTracker> instantiation?[21:17:35] <kad77> I suppose. execution usually, it sounds like you are trying to apply that to 'instance', which may be correct[21:17:58] <kad77> I've not heard that term usedmuch, although it may be 'clinically' correct[21:23:09] *** genkie has joined #haiku[21:26:26] <JonathanThompson> There's also "running"[21:27:43] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[21:27:46] *** rgb has joined #haiku[21:28:28] <kad77> JT: I think he would be getting at the word similar to 'to run'[21:28:41] * JonathanThompson uses an electric cattle prod to see if TuneTracker is at the keyboard[21:29:12] * kad77 hears keys flying off the board in teh distance[21:31:03] * TuneTracker wonders why all his fingertips just went numb[21:32:06] <TuneTracker> I think I was misusing instantiation...it has more to do with "classes" and I was more into the initiation of a response by a particular action. I think initiation is really probably the best word for what I was trying to say.[21:34:37] <kad77> that was wot u wr trying to say, init?[21:35:17] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:35:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:36:02] <kad77> mmu_man: have you used llvm at all?[21:37:01] <kokito> for anyone interested: http://myhaiku.org/2007/10/10/recount-of-a-haiku-weekend/[21:38:00] <mmu_man> re[21:38:05] <mmu_man> kad77 ??[21:38:44] <DeadYak> mmu_man: the llvm compiler suite[21:38:46] <mmu_man> I mostly use gcc :)[21:39:03] <mmu_man> sdcc and some others for ORIC[21:39:04] <DeadYak> are the two based off the same code at all?[21:39:07] <mmu_man> and tigcc for ti9x[21:39:10] <DeadYak> or is it just a front end of it that allows gcc compat?[21:39:27] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[21:39:41] <mmu_man> kad77 is it any better ?[21:40:03] <mmu_man> does it support all the architectures gcc supports ? (m68k-amigaos, avr, ... :P)[21:41:53] <kad77> mmu: they are early on, but have a gcc4 front end for the back end compiler[21:42:11] <kad77> I was curious if haiku would build with it, given gcc4 support will be post R1 anyway[21:42:27] <kad77> I think the back end supports x86 and ppc atm[21:42:54] <kad77> for anyone interested: http://llvm.org/[21:43:55] <mmu_man> it uses some gcc extentions, but nothing that wouldn't work on gcc 2.95, so, possibly[21:44:24] <kad77> I talked to an Apple intern benchmarking it a couple months back, and they had some really great stats pages. amazing how far along it is for being relatievly new[21:44:29] <mmu_man> getting it built with a different compiler could also spot more bugs[21:44:54] <mmu_man> well, new = less features, but also less bloat[21:44:58] <mmu_man> = faster[21:45:00] <kad77> I was going to try and get it going as a cross tool, but haven't had the time for the learning curve[21:45:02] <Ketsuban> Out of curiosity, what happens if you try to run a program compiled with gcc 2.95.3 on Haiku compiled with gcc4? Obviously it fails miserably, but what's the nature of the failure?[21:45:09] <mmu_man> but it's likely to get slower when more features are added[21:45:14] <mmu_man> see windows(tm) ;)[21:45:29] <mmu_man> Ketsuban strict command line apps might work[21:45:40] <mmu_man> others simply won't start due to missing symbols[21:45:41] <DeadYak> Ketsuban: failing to resolve symbols[21:45:45] <Ketsuban> Ah.[21:45:46] <kad77> ketsuban: bad address error, etc, from what I've heard. diff ABI for interfacing with libs[21:46:12] <DeadYak> kad77: it's not strictly addresses, the symbol names for mangled C++ functions will be different on 4 than on 2[21:46:42] <kad77> mmu_man: what would have to be done to make a linux/beos cross compiler for haiku? just ensure it outputs correct executable format?[21:47:26] <kad77> DY: ah. symbol names in mingw/vc are all I've had to mess with. those are a bit ugly, too. (even in C) :D[21:50:38] *** genkie has quit IRC[21:51:25] *** BePower has quit IRC[21:52:02] * JonathanThompson shakes head at how ignorant some of the early Twilight Zone episodes were about space travel, especially the one currently being shown on the Sci-Fi channel[21:58:48] <mmu_man> kad77 no[21:58:52] <mmu_man> there are many other stuff[21:59:01] <mmu_man> like calling conventions, ...[21:59:36] <kad77> ok, I would have to learn more. I have too many irons in the fire to take that on now, but maybe Q1 '08[22:00:05] <mmu_man> and I suppose the C++ ABI should be changed back to the 2.95 one as I suppose it only uses the new one[22:00:08] <kad77> i think it would be a good publicity move for haiku, as well as identifying errors (like you said) and perhaps more optimized performace, faster builds[22:00:45] <JonathanThompson> How much faster would the builds *really* be, though?[22:01:09] <kad77> mmu_man: well, honestly I was think of this for when breaking binaries is ok. I'm hoping leavengood's idea for dual binary system gets some legs, too[22:01:51] <kad77> JT: dunno, building is fast on the system I use, but RAID may affect that. gcc is much slower than llvm, is what I am saying[22:02:32] <JonathanThompson> How long does it take on your current system? In practical reality, your RAID system probably doesn't affect overall time more than 5% if your CPU's aren't pegged.[22:02:37] <Thom_Holwerda> another school shooting in the US :s[22:02:53] <JonathanThompson> Thom_Holwerda, perhaps it's become a new rite of passage.[22:02:55] <DeadYak> JT: complete build of Haiku on my Linux box takes around 10 minutes[22:03:02] <DeadYak> (with gcc 2.x)[22:03:09] <JonathanThompson> And what about your box, kad77?[22:03:19] <Thom_Holwerda> well, JonathanThompson, i guess 300 million people + 200 million guns = whole lot of dead people.[22:03:29] <kad77> JT: dunno, I haven't timed it. I build on a spare server in the back room that has a athlon64 3000. It could be faster, but it doesn't take too long[22:03:40] <JonathanThompson> I doubt there's that many guns, Thom_Holwerda, in the hands of the public.[22:04:06] <kad77> I've felt pretty safe when visiting Texas. ;-)[22:04:13] <DeadYak> Thom_Holwerda: that number would imply a good number of women and children have guns, which I promise you isn't the case[22:04:14] <JonathanThompson> That equates to 2/3 of people having one on average, which seems very high, at best: how many little kids have guns?[22:04:35] * JonathanThompson feels defenseless if Thom_Holwerda's assertions are correct[22:04:54] * kad77 reaches for his skeet rifle.[22:04:57] <Thom_Holwerda> i believ eit's correct, it's a figure i looked up a few months ago during that other shooting[22:05:04] * JonathanThompson tosses kad77 some skeet[22:05:09] <kad77> skeet skeet[22:05:10] <Thom_Holwerda> cant remember the source though, let me find it[22:05:37] <JonathanThompson> I'd be amazed, once again, if it were *really* that high without including the military in the count.[22:05:42] *** rcjsuen_ is now known as rcjsuen[22:06:05] <DeadYak> on the other hand, the people I know that do own guns seem to always own like 20 of 'em[22:06:15] <DeadYak> so I'd imagine the statistics are somewhat skewed by that[22:06:22] <Thom_Holwerda> "About 59.1 million adults in the United States personally own a gun. In 1993-4, roughly 93 million adults, or 49% of the adult U.S. population, lived in households with guns.[6] There is no national gun register in the USA, so it is impossible to know exactly how many guns are in circulation or who has them, but the FBI estimates there are more than 200 million guns in civilian hands.[5]"[22:06:30] *** Haicube has joined #haiku[22:06:31] <kad77> PBS seems to agree with Thom.[22:06:32] <kad77> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/more/facts.html[22:06:35] <JonathanThompson> I'm expecting the sampling they took was very inaccurate.[22:06:43] <Thom_Holwerda> FBI figure, that's where i got it[22:07:02] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, well, they don't have a 100% accurate history :P[22:07:26] * JonathanThompson wonders if BB guns are counted amongst that tally[22:07:40] <kad77> this site puts the number closer to 70m, with analysis of how they got there. (ratehr than throwing numbers around)[22:07:41] <kad77> http://www.gunsandcrime.org/numbers.html[22:08:02] <Thom_Holwerda> whichever way you cut it, it's way too many guns.[22:08:18] <JonathanThompson> That's all a matter of opinion, of course.[22:08:50] <Thom_Holwerda> civilians shouldnt have guns, but let's not go there, pointless discussion.[22:08:56] <JonathanThompson> A lot of gun owners collect them like others might collect model ships: they're there for decoration, but aren't really used or even properly maintained.[22:09:20] <kad77> THom: it's not nice to throw out flamebait, and then say don't talk about it. :D[22:09:23] <JonathanThompson> Thom_Holwerda, unlike the country you live in, there's still a HUGE amount of truly wild country on this continent.[22:09:58] <JonathanThompson> Your country doesn't represent much of the rest of the world, and is actually very artificial in major ways.[22:10:31] <JonathanThompson> That said, an Uzi isn't something civilians have any practical reason to have.[22:10:50] <Haicube> Thom_Holwerda, Depends on where you live mate.. try telling someone from alaska who got Grizzlies as neighbours that they shouldn't own a gun[22:11:11] <Thom_Holwerda> shooting a grizzly is illegal anyway.[22:11:15] <Thom_Holwerda> they're protected.[22:11:16] <JonathanThompson> Not too far from me, I have wild critters that can pose a truly major danger to people.[22:11:25] <Haicube> and besides, Canadian gun laws are not so strict either, however crime rate there ain't so heavy as in the US[22:11:32] <JonathanThompson> Hell, they even chased down a 150 pound bear onto the UW campus last year.[22:11:49] <Haicube> Thom_Holwerda, well, you don't aim to kill it, you aim to frighten it[22:12:00] <Haicube> and if that doesn't succeed, it's you or it..[22:12:02] <JonathanThompson> Haicube, it's not like people are so dense for population or as high of population as the US :)[22:12:21] * JonathanThompson notes California has a higher population than all of Canada combined[22:12:28] <Haicube> JonathanThompson, True, but just making a point.... I[22:12:39] <Thom_Holwerda> the shooting, btw - I blame Marylin Manson, legalised abortion, and Saddam Hussein.[22:12:40] <Thom_Holwerda> Naturally.[22:12:48] <Haicube> I'm not really a fan of guns in NY or LA, just saying it's not wise to just say "private people shouldn't have guns anyway"[22:12:51] <JonathanThompson> Someone around here last year was attacked by a coyote < 5 miles from where I'm sitting now.[22:14:04] <Haicube> See[22:14:27] <JonathanThompson> Last year I went into a national park in the state, and there were signs instructing how to deal with bears and cougars at the bottom of the trail.[22:14:34] <kad77> Thom: the mass shooting we had in far northern wisconsin this week was an off duty copy (20 year old!), so the civilian firearm deal wouldn't have mattered.[22:14:41] <JonathanThompson> Sure glad I didn't run into any, because I was alone, not within earshot of anyone, with no weapons.[22:14:50] <Haicube> JonathanThompson, there ya go =)[22:14:58] <Thom_Holwerda> kad77: obviously.[22:14:59] <kad77> JT: play dead. :D[22:15:02] <Haicube> JonathanThompson, and surely you realise that certain occassions call for guns[22:15:12] <JonathanThompson> Absolutely, Haicube.[22:15:22] <JonathanThompson> I'd prefer not to ever need to use one, personally.[22:15:35] <JonathanThompson> Then again, I'd also prefer not to ever have a reason to use car insurance, either.[22:15:41] <Haicube> problem is basically that there ought to be heavy regulation on who owns them and how to store them and maybe even a mental evaluation before[22:16:09] *** ivanrd has joined #haiku[22:16:17] <Thom_Holwerda> there's a difference between someone living in East Bumblefcuk having a small firearm for protection, and someone in the middle of a city or suburb having a collection of 34 guns right there for everybody to use[22:16:19] <Haicube> Skip the maybe[22:16:25] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[22:16:32] <Haicube> Thom_Holwerda, true[22:16:37] <Thom_Holwerda> and if you take a look at where those shootings happen... barely grown ups, mostly fcuked up kids.[22:16:40] <JonathanThompson> Sadly, kad77, if I did run into them, I strongly doubt playing dead would be more useful than simply lying down on a silver platter for them, if they had any inkling anyway :P[22:16:54] <Haicube> Thom_Holwerda, indeed.....[22:17:18] <Thom_Holwerda> and trust me, other countries have fcuked up kids too... they just dont have easy access to guns[22:17:26] <Thom_Holwerda> so they like, cut themselves or become annorexic or something[22:17:29] <Haicube> Thom_Holwerda, either way, we ain't gonna solve the problem any time soon as far as I can tell.... lobbyists from NRA will make sure of that[22:17:34] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[22:17:35] <kad77> JT: you should look into that, that is the recommended course of action. I think I've read standing tall and yelling works, too[22:17:43] <JonathanThompson> While we're at it, we might as well state that no such thing as shoot-em'up vidieogame should exist, because it sends the wrong idea, and causes people to become mass murderers that are well-trained.[22:17:55] <Haicube> Thom_Holwerda, ARe you saying the solution to anorectics would be massive gun sales? ;P[22:18:01] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[22:18:04] <Thom_Holwerda> JonathanThompson: yeah of course i blame games too.[22:18:16] <JonathanThompson> The sign had the "Make yourself big and noisy" type of advice.[22:18:17] <kad77> I ran into a black bear in manitoba, canda a few years ago. Outside the cabin; I just tossed it a gallon of milk. the next day, he ransacked the cooler, though. :D bad idea[22:18:20] <Thom_Holwerda> tetris is seriously promoting killing sprees[22:18:39] <JonathanThompson> Don't feed the critters: they remember where food comes from and how to get it again :P[22:18:47] <Haicube> JonathanThompson, wrong, it's actually proved that the relation between gaming and true killing is more or less non existent... in fact, taking out aggression in games rather tend to do the contrary[22:19:03] <Thom_Holwerda> Haicube: exectly[22:19:14] <JonathanThompson> Haicube, I wasn't stating that I believed it was a hard connection, just making a point :P[22:19:27] <JonathanThompson> Guns don't kill people, people kill people![22:19:27] <kad77> JT: I know, I was just selfishly wanting to see it eat. It was dumb. It eating the fish cooler and clawing the cabin taught me that lesson[22:19:30] <Haicube> JonathanThompson, however, lobbyist groups in the US with mentally disordered christian fanatics (who don't believe in science anyway) claim otherwise[22:19:33] <Thom_Holwerda> there's ZERO evidence supporting a causal relationship between violent games and real-world violence[22:20:01] <Haicube> JonathanThompson, Ah... gotcha[22:20:24] <Thom_Holwerda> as MArylin Manson said: "at the time of the columbine shootings, Clinton was bombing the hell our of Serbia. Now, who has more influence on those kids, me or the president? I'd like to think it's me, but I go with the president."[22:20:29] <JonathanThompson> Well, there's ZERO evidence to think that guns being available=people becoming mass murderers: it may make it easier to accomplish, but if they're determined enough, they can do it by breaking necks with a bat.[22:20:52] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[22:20:53] <Haicube> Oh so that's how it all staretd[22:21:00] <Haicube> You guys were talking about Michael Moore?[22:21:09] <Thom_Holwerda> heh no[22:21:10] * JonathanThompson goes back to the office[22:21:14] <Thom_Holwerda> that IS where i got that quote from[22:21:19] <Thom_Holwerda> not a Moore fan, btw.[22:21:26] <Haicube> The guy who they claim (journalists in Sweden) do "documentaries" , which in fact is pure propagandha movies, like advertising for everything but the US[22:21:55] <Haicube> Not a fan neither =)[22:22:00] <Thom_Holwerda> Haicube: yup, Moore is a... well, anything but a proper journalist, really.[22:22:15] <Haicube> Geee, I wouldn't pay a dime to see any of his stuff...... it's just makes me sick, especially when entitled "documentary"[22:22:28] <Haicube> Thom_Holwerda, consumer lobbyist I'd say[22:22:29] <Thom_Holwerda> he makes very good documentatries from an artistic and film pov[22:22:41] <Thom_Holwerda> they look good, are funny, the whole lot[22:22:42] <Haicube> Why would you wanna use the word documentary Thom_Holwerda ?[22:22:45] <Thom_Holwerda> but that's about it[22:22:51] <Haicube> it's propagandha[22:22:51] <kad77> off topic (but who cares?) does anyone know a good utility for reading CD bad sectors until a good CRC is found?[22:23:03] <Haicube> kad77, on what platform?[22:23:11] <kad77> well, I'm willing to use any[22:23:14] <Haicube> ah[22:23:20] <Haicube> I remember I had that problem a while back....[22:23:22] <kad77> windows/linux I would imagine[22:24:05] <Haicube> I remember "solving it" in Windows... however, just got some data back as the CD was devastated[22:24:09] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[22:24:10] *** ivanrd has quit IRC[22:24:26] <Haicube> kad77, at least I remember when I looked it was for "CD REcovery"... try googling that[22:24:31] <kad77> ok, thx[22:24:38] <Haicube> I'd try this one http://sourceforge.net/projects/mkcdrec/ kad77[22:25:00] <Haicube> ehrm, maybe not[22:26:08] <kad77> found two, one free, one commercial[22:26:29] <Haicube> NIce, I also found one promising.-...http://www.softwarepatch.com/software/cd-recovery.html[22:26:30] <kad77> some DVD-RAMs, the data is worth a lot, I may get this:[22:26:39] <kad77> http://www.jufsoft.com/badcopy/udf_recovery.asp[22:27:18] <Haicube> I'd start with the trialedition maye[22:27:19] <Haicube> mate[22:27:28] <kad77> hai: yeah thats the first one I found, thx for the help[22:28:35] <Haicube> and if you wanna apy for it, this one might be fine as well http://www.isobuster.com/isobuster.php looks very serious in realtion to jufsoft.... kad[22:32:21] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[22:34:08] *** judgen has joined #haiku[22:36:39] *** rgb has quit IRC[22:44:16] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[22:47:22] <CIA-5> mmlr * r22501 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/debug.c:[22:47:22] <CIA-5> Extended flushing repeat messages in kernel debug output. The repeat message is[22:47:22] <CIA-5> printed when there has been no repeat for more than 1 second and now also when[22:47:22] <CIA-5> the first repeat was more than 3 seconds ago. This ensures that repeat messages[22:47:22] <CIA-5> are sent when the repeated message is constantly output at a frequency of less[22:47:23] <CIA-5> than a second.[22:50:12] <geist> sounds like it'd be fun to write a driver that randomly prints 'the last message was repeated n times'[22:50:56] <Haicube> sounds real useful[22:53:31] *** M199 is now known as Master199[22:58:53] *** wildur has quit IRC[23:00:02] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[23:00:07] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[23:06:34] *** Haicube has quit IRC[23:10:40] *** eric_j has joined #haiku[23:12:36] *** wasosa__ has quit IRC[23:12:59] *** wasosa has joined #haiku[23:14:02] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[23:15:55] <mmu_man> kad77 tried on a different reader ?[23:16:16] <mmu_man> sometimes they get old and work less, or the too new ones don't read old media correctly...[23:17:12] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[23:26:08] <ddew|bofh> yay! won the auction :D[23:27:03] * ddew|bofh is getting a 16U rack with lockable doors, built-in cabling, an ibm server and a few gigabit switches :D[23:29:52] <ddew|bofh> my kitchen's gonna become geek nirvana :P[23:30:13] <mmu_man> will you have a pizza oven in 1U ?[23:30:54] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22502 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/private/app/AppMisc.h src/kits/app/AppMisc.cpp): Added global lock that can be used for lazy initializations.[23:30:56] <ddew|bofh> ok, almost geek heaven[23:31:11] <mmu_man> but no geek oven :P[23:31:45] <ddew|bofh> but 12U of servers, 1U kvm and 1U network gear isn't crap either ;)[23:32:13] <ddew|bofh> although i'm fairly sure the top of the 1U compaq server can double as a frying plate :P[23:35:25] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22503 /haiku/trunk/ (10 files in 2 dirs): More fleshing out the disk system add-on interface and related classes.[23:40:15] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[23:40:29] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[23:40:47] *** rennj has quit IRC[23:44:52] <mmu_man> hmm geist[23:45:47] <mmu_man> I'm wondering if it's required to patch gcc for a new platform, or if building it for m68k-elf is enough for a start... the build forces the crt files anyway, so it should be enough[23:48:30] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[23:59:39] <pyCube__> hmm.. qt4 is kinda fun