October 9, 2007 
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October 9, 2007 [00:00:27] *** miqlas has quit IRC[00:01:27] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[00:03:27] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[00:03:44] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[00:03:47] <Stargater> re[00:05:28] *** emitrax_ has left #haiku[00:05:30] *** ursulbrun has quit IRC[00:12:10] *** korli has joined #haiku[00:12:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[00:23:59] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[00:26:35] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:28:07] *** judgen has joined #haiku[00:29:42] *** acidx has joined #haiku[00:35:50] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[00:35:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[00:37:50] *** blk-majik has joined #haiku[00:39:13] <blk-majik> anyone have a quick reference where i can see if some hardware i have is support in haiku?[00:41:54] <Ketsuban> Yes.[00:42:02] <Ketsuban> Q. Is my hardware supported on Haiku?[00:42:03] <Ketsuban> A. No.[00:42:04] <Sikosis> blk-majik: karl is working on one here ... http://www.haikuware.com/hardware-database/ for beos there is http://bedrivers.com you can also try the forums as the hardware matrix is under construction[00:42:08] <Grackle> haha Ketsuban[00:50:31] <blk-majik> thx Sikosis =)[00:51:56] <blk-majik> is there any hardware raid support yet? not finding any specific drivers on either reference[00:55:08] <Sikosis> i think raid might be stretching the friendship :)[00:55:52] <blk-majik> megaraid none the less ;)[00:59:49] <judgen> paprika[01:01:17] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:01:27] *** Atomozero has quit IRC[01:05:55] *** agony_ has quit IRC[01:09:32] *** oco has quit IRC[01:10:03] *** korli has quit IRC[01:13:35] *** kad77 has quit IRC[01:15:22] *** SDragon has joined #haiku[01:15:34] *** SDr has quit IRC[01:17:56] *** SDr has joined #haiku[01:18:51] *** cps1966 has left #haiku[01:24:34] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[01:24:41] <Al2O3> axel...[01:26:41] *** nielx has quit IRC[01:29:20] *** Grackle has quit IRC[01:35:49] *** SDragon has quit IRC[01:37:30] *** Darknessss has quit IRC[01:42:26] *** petterhj has quit IRC[01:46:55] *** Stargater has quit IRC[01:50:30] *** rennj has joined #haiku[01:53:11] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[01:56:03] *** umccullough_work has joined #haiku[02:00:27] *** axeld has quit IRC[02:01:35] *** BuildFactory has joined #haiku[02:05:02] * wasosa__ is away: going home[02:07:26] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[02:12:34] <CIA-5> axeld * r22491 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/ (blue_screen.cpp blue_screen.h debug.c):[02:12:34] <CIA-5> panic() could hang in the early boot process in case it was called before[02:12:34] <CIA-5> the blue screen was initialized - blue_screen_enter() now returns wether[02:12:34] <CIA-5> or not it has been initialized already (there will only be serial output[02:12:34] <CIA-5> in that case).[02:14:21] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[02:15:04] <pyCube> mice makes rice[02:22:52] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[02:34:14] *** umccullough_work has quit IRC[02:48:13] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[02:49:01] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[02:49:32] *** zeii has joined #haiku[02:49:40] <zeii> Hey people?[02:49:43] <zeii> Im having serious issues with Be.[02:49:54] <zeii> PS2 Keyboard / Mouse and... it refuses to move or react even slightly.[02:50:08] <zeii> Ive tried BeOS R5 PE and... well, the BeOS Max distribution (based on PE...)[02:59:11] <rennj> is this on bare metal of computer or is it virtual machine?[02:59:18] *** kennyjb402 has left #haiku[02:59:57] <zeii> Bare metal.[03:00:09] <rennj> weird[03:00:18] <zeii> Aye :([03:00:22] <rennj> you could try booting up[03:00:25] <rennj> hit spacebar[03:00:29] <rennj> disable user-addons[03:00:38] <zeii> Ive tried all options disabled.[03:00:39] <rennj> but pe shouldnt have any user addons[03:00:50] <rennj> is this usb keyboard and mouse[03:00:55] <zeii> No, PS2...[03:01:01] <zeii> mouse and keyboard[03:02:30] <zeii> I always figure dthat Be had problems with USB, not PS2 :/[03:02:33] <zeii> It confuses me.[03:02:37] <rennj> http://bedrivers.com/hardware/[03:02:46] <rennj> might want to look for your hardware on that page[03:02:52] <geist> PS2 was actually problematic too[03:02:57] <rennj> see if someone posted 3rd party info[03:03:10] <zeii> Any idea what th eproblem could be Geist?[03:03:32] <rennj> beos had no ohci usb but they have patches for that now[03:03:39] <rennj> uhci should work[03:03:48] <geist> yeah, you should update your beos install[03:03:55] <rennj> ehci i doubt, but i could be wrong[03:04:11] <rennj> if he tried beos max[03:04:12] <zeii> How? When I cant even do anything in the OS when it is boot?[03:04:17] <rennj> then he has all those patches[03:04:24] <geist> yeah, you should get a newer copy of beos[03:04:29] <geist> oh wait, ITS DEAD[03:04:58] *** Nies has joined #haiku[03:05:02] <zeii> Doesnt mean I dont want to use it :P[03:07:35] <rennj> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2[03:07:42] <rennj> its pretty sad state of affairs[03:09:04] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[03:10:51] <zeii> holy crap, you wouldnt believe it[03:10:59] <zeii> :P simply plugging in a USB keyboard made it all work[03:11:02] <zeii> ~_~ Weirrrrd shit[03:16:41] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[03:22:57] <Al2O3> hello[03:25:17] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[03:25:49] *** Darknesss has left #haiku[03:26:13] *** Moofie has joined #haiku[03:26:35] *** Moofie is now known as Darknesss[03:36:21] <CIA-5> axeld * r22492 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/posix/ (4 files in 2 dirs):[03:36:21] <CIA-5> * Implemented gethostname() and sethostname().[03:36:21] <CIA-5> * uname() now calls gethostname() instead of using a hard-coded value.[03:36:21] <CIA-5> * This fixes bug #1250.[03:38:12] <mmu_man> hmm odd I get ld crashing for ppc[03:38:15] <mmu_man> /home/revol/haiku/trunk/generated/cross-tools/bin/powerpc-apple-haiku-ld -shared -Bdynamic -o "generated/objects/haiku/ppc/release/system/kernel/linkhack.so" "generated/objects/haiku/ppc/release/system/kernel/linkhack.o" /mnt/haikusrc/trunk/generated/cross-tools/bin/../lib/gcc/powerpc-apple-haiku/4.1.2/libgcc.a ;[03:40:20] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[03:40:21] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[03:40:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[03:41:53] *** M_199 has joined #haiku[03:58:15] *** Master199 has quit IRC[04:02:53] <CIA-5> axeld * r22493 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/lib/Jamfile: Removed gethostname() and sethostname() from the kernel.[04:04:38] <CIA-5> axeld * r22494 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/cache/file_cache.cpp:[04:04:38] <CIA-5> * satisfy_cache_io() was using the wrong value to compute the number of[04:04:38] <CIA-5> pages to reserve, which could result in to few being reserved in certain[04:04:38] <CIA-5> situations.[04:04:38] <CIA-5> * Use MutexLocker where appropriate.[04:04:39] <CIA-5> * Reordered includes following the new rules.[04:15:00] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[04:19:59] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[04:20:50] <DeadYak> evening[04:21:17] *** JamesB192 has quit IRC[04:33:55] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[04:37:06] <mmu_man> ...failed KernelLd generated/objects/haiku/ppc/release/system/kernel/linkhack.so ...[04:37:09] <mmu_man> :-([04:40:46] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[04:42:04] * DeadYak pets mmu_man[04:42:07] <DeadYak> what're you trying to do?[04:42:15] *** acidx has quit IRC[04:44:46] <mmu_man> just doing a ppc build in linux[04:44:49] <DeadYak> ah[04:44:56] <DeadYak> linkhack.so?[04:45:32] <zeii> Woohoo! I finally got BeOS to run on my computer :D[04:45:35] <zeii> Yahey![04:45:54] <DeadYak> congrats[04:45:55] <mmu_man> DeadYak: used to build the kernel[04:46:00] <DeadYak> mmu_man: ah[04:46:01] <mmu_man> the ppc ld crashes on that[04:46:07] <DeadYak> :/[04:47:25] <zeii> Any chance I will be able to use Dual displays on a Geforce 6600GT under BeOS? :P[04:47:41] <zeii> That would be so very super cool :)[04:50:08] <mmu_man> zeii: the driver should support dual head in a simple config (both screens have same size)[04:50:16] <mmu_man> it actually fakes a wider screen from both[04:50:57] <zeii> sweet.[04:50:58] <zeii> :)[04:51:05] <zeii> Im a little ticked off that I have to run BeOS Max.[04:51:26] <zeii> I will set myself up a BeOS PE install from scratch soon, I just need to know what drivers I need to shunt from Max to have the Keyboard and stuff runnin[04:51:28] <zeii> :D[04:52:17] <mmu_man> oh, well, maybe it will work after some sleep...[04:52:18] <mmu_man> zz[04:52:19] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[04:58:00] *** ablyss has quit IRC[05:01:33] *** NeoOokami has quit IRC[05:04:52] <zeii> Any chance anyone has a wallpaper by the name of Kentucky Fried Human? :P[05:04:55] <Al2O3> is the person responsible for the VNC Server port for Haiku/BeOS come around these parts?[05:05:25] <DeadYak> Al2O3: I forget who did that[05:05:31] <umccullough> Al2O3, are you Todd?[05:05:36] <Al2O3> umccullough: yes[05:05:45] <umccullough> :)[05:06:25] <umccullough> let me see if I can dig up my IRC logs from the last time someone talked about it[05:06:31] <Al2O3> umccullough: thank you[05:07:12] <Al2O3> Alexander G. M. Smith[05:07:17] <Al2O3> http://ozhug.blogspot.com/2005/01/vnc-server-for-beos.html[05:07:20] <Al2O3> maybe that was him.[05:07:21] <umccullough> yeah, he was the last one to port it[05:07:32] <umccullough> but there was someone more recently who got it running on haiku - after hacking the code[05:07:39] <umccullough> here's the beos package with source: http://bebits.com/app/4047[05:08:09] <Al2O3> http://ca.geocities.com/alexandergms/resume.html[05:08:49] <Al2O3> I had it 'running' about 2 months ago, but it would not stay running and the connection size reported was 0,0 rect, which is invalid.[05:09:00] <Al2O3> wondering if you know the person that 'hacked' it, and if I may talk to him/her.[05:09:15] <umccullough> heh, i see you were here back in June asking about it :D[05:09:20] <Al2O3> yes, that was me.[05:09:24] <Al2O3> amazing how time flies[05:10:06] <umccullough> wait...maybe you were the one i talked to before ;)[05:10:12] <Al2O3> might have been.[05:10:28] <umccullough> did you tweak it to run?[05:10:36] <Al2O3> I did not.[05:11:06] <Al2O3> I did play a bit with the VMWare images of Haiku posted on the VMWare to get multiple disk images to mount.[05:11:11] <Al2O3> but nothing with the VNCServer code[05:11:22] <umccullough> hmm... i went all the way back to this:[05:11:22] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 21:53:47] <umccullough_r5> anyhow, it continues and then fails to get a display context - something wrong with haiku's BDirectWindow i believe that prevents it from working[05:11:23] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 21:57:38] <_hugo> ah[05:11:23] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 21:57:57] <_hugo> there's something that is in my 'experiment with' list for a month now[05:11:23] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 21:58:10] <_hugo> which is an app_server vnc accelerant[05:11:24] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 21:58:15] <umccullough> interesting ;)[05:11:25] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 21:58:29] <umccullough> source for VNCServer is on bebits[05:11:28] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 21:58:30] <_hugo> coupled with mirroring it would be nice[05:11:29] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 21:58:40] <umccullough> v4.0[05:11:31] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 21:58:49] <_hugo> or even extending the desktop[05:11:33] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 21:58:51] <umccullough> http://bebits.com/app/4047[05:11:37] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 21:58:56] <_hugo> umccullough: thanks for the pointer[05:11:37] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 21:59:02] <umccullough> basically that's what i was using[05:11:39] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 22:00:00] <umccullough> on that note, i'll put off any further testing of vnc :D[05:11:41] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 22:00:15] <_hugo> would be nice to have it compile under/to haiku[05:11:43] <umccullough> [2007-05-08 22:00:23] <_hugo> we need to have self hosting[05:12:11] <umccullough> so, hugo had heard of some "app_server vnc accelerant" project...[05:12:19] <umccullough> or..he was going to do it[05:12:30] <Al2O3> yah, unfortunately for me and possibly the project I dno't have time to do Haiku coding, but I do have some time to do some automation/scripting for the project if we can get a solid VNC Server running on it.[05:12:47] <Al2O3> is hugo something around these parts much?[05:13:08] <Al2O3> Hugo Santos?[05:13:11] <DeadYak> hasn't been since he moved[05:13:17] <DeadYak> though he said he should be back soonish[05:13:32] <DeadYak> iirc[05:13:46] <umccullough> yeah, we're all waiting patiently (not) for his return :)[05:14:34] <Al2O3> well, that kinda dead ends the idea then unless there are others that have the skill and time to do the VNC Server portion. I can do quite a bit of the setup work but not the VNC Server stuff.[05:15:23] <umccullough> I suspect once the kernel is done, and haiku self-hosts - things will move pretty quickly[05:15:43] <Al2O3> ETA?[05:15:49] <Al2O3> 1-2-5-10 months?[05:15:54] <Al2O3> estimates?[05:15:56] <umccullough> once it self-hosts - it will be alpha'd[05:16:08] <umccullough> hopefully before the end fo the year, but i can't speak for the developers[05:16:13] <Al2O3> right, I understand.[05:16:18] <Al2O3> just an ETA, estimate.[05:16:26] <Al2O3> thanks, that gives me some time frame to work in[05:16:33] <Al2O3> have to sell this to mid management :)[05:16:46] <umccullough> once the vm finally gets nailed down - i think it'll be pretty close[05:16:58] <Al2O3> are most running haiku in VMWare?[05:19:11] <umccullough> it's the easiest method[05:19:30] <umccullough> now that AHCI/SATA drivers are working better, more are running it natively[05:19:38] <umccullough> building it from linux[05:20:03] <Al2O3> links to the VMWare, don't want to register for dl instructions.[05:20:10] <rennj> last vncserver work i know of for beos was done by AGMS[05:20:19] <rennj> mr. ramdriver man[05:20:20] <Al2O3> rennj: thank you.[05:20:29] <rennj> it still stinks on beos[05:20:36] <Al2O3> vncserver?[05:20:41] <Al2O3> yes, it was borked when I tried it.[05:20:42] <rennj> yeah[05:20:43] <Al2O3> on Haiku.[05:20:45] <rennj> nah it works[05:20:48] <rennj> on beos[05:20:56] <rennj> i dont know anything about haiku[05:20:57] <Al2O3> gave back a window size of 0x0 for Haiku[05:21:02] <Al2O3> rennj[05:21:02] <umccullough> Al2O3, you need a link to the vmware server download?[05:21:05] <umccullough> or vmware player?[05:21:14] <Al2O3> umccullough: the disk image for Haiku.[05:21:17] <Al2O3> 'appliance'[05:21:26] <umccullough> haikuhost.com[05:21:29] <Al2O3> or whatever they call it, maybe I have to register to get a unique download or something.[05:21:40] <Al2O3> excellent![05:21:44] <umccullough> haikuhost.com/housestrain[05:21:47] <umccullough> there's a vmx file there also[05:21:59] <umccullough> you'll need that to launch it[05:22:03] <Al2O3> look to be dailies[05:22:43] <umccullough> yes[05:22:49] <Al2O3> I don't see a vmx file.[05:22:55] <umccullough> look on haikuhost.com[05:23:00] <umccullough> there's a link to one there[05:23:05] <Al2O3> ah, front page :)[05:23:07] <Al2O3> yes, thanks[05:23:12] <umccullough> they're just txt files[05:23:25] <rennj> vmx file you can tweak[05:23:27] <Al2O3> yah, configuration files for our VMWare[05:23:45] <pyCube> crash = False[05:23:48] <rennj> specially if you use vmplayer since it doesnt have those features of server or workstation[05:24:06] <rennj> easyvmx site or sanbarrow explane the options[05:24:12] <umccullough> Al2O3, you'll see that it's setup to emulate e1000 network chip[05:24:25] <umccullough> that makes Haiku use the ipro1000 driver, which is more stable than vlance[05:24:37] <rennj> hehe vlance comes with beosmax is broke[05:24:45] <umccullough> vlance driver is crap[05:24:54] <rennj> got to get the one off bebits[05:24:59] <umccullough> same driver[05:25:08] <rennj> beos max version doesnt work[05:25:10] <rennj> trust me[05:25:15] <rennj> so something is not the same[05:25:19] <Al2O3> ethernet0.virtualDev = "e1000" <--- ipro1000 driver usage, no?[05:25:20] <umccullough> they should all be the same version[05:25:35] <umccullough> Al2O3, yes[05:25:36] <umccullough> perfect :)[05:25:37] <rennj> i know that, but latest beosmax vlance would not work with dhcp[05:25:46] <rennj> download bebits version and that one worked[05:25:49] <umccullough> rennj, dunno what he used ;)[05:25:56] <Al2O3> you know as a proof of concept and ability to start automation of testing I could do a beos R5 install and do core functionaity that is the same across Haiku and BeOS.[05:26:10] <Al2O3> which allows a migration path to Haiku as it becomes more stable and 'testable'.[05:26:17] <Al2O3> meaning when VNC Server is running on it solid.[05:26:18] <umccullough> Al2O3, sounds reasonable[05:26:28] <pyCube> SuperCyberBeosMax3000+[05:26:36] <umccullough> would at least identify any functional differences between R5 and Haiku[05:26:46] <umccullough> pyCube, Ultimate[05:27:19] <Al2O3> umccullough: if you have inclination and a few mins, maybe you could point out some areas to consider cross functional between the two os's (I have not used haiku at all really, and have not used BeOS since last 94[05:27:20] <pyCube> umccullough: i____[05:27:22] <Al2O3> 2004, oops :)[05:27:24] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[05:27:58] <Al2O3> Tracker, browser?[05:28:05] <Al2O3> preferences? Demo apps?[05:28:15] <Al2O3> some 'smoke' test kinda stuff.[05:33:25] <rennj> yeah like personalstudio and gobe productive[05:33:28] <rennj> hehe[05:33:33] <pyCube> and beos[05:33:58] <rennj> i thought it was going to be binary compatible[05:34:21] <rennj> hence beos r5 on haiku no need to rewrite old apps[05:34:43] <rennj> backware binary compat[05:34:50] <rennj> backward even[05:35:04] <pyCube> i know its an old discussion, but i still think r5 binary compat is silly[05:35:17] <rennj> all of bebits apps toast[05:35:33] <rennj> geekgadgets toast[05:36:00] <rennj> all that work down the tubes, so reinvent the wheel again[05:36:26] <pyCube> its not down the tubes[05:36:37] <pyCube> it did what it did at the time[05:37:47] <pyCube> besides, to me, part of what made beos neat was its reinvention of some wheels[05:38:17] <rennj> im taking about the work put into all the apps on bebits[05:38:22] <pyCube> so?[05:38:23] <rennj> not what came before beos[05:38:29] <pyCube> so am i[05:40:48] <rennj> you saw this right http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2[05:41:02] <rennj> hehe[05:41:54] <rennj> what an uphill battle[05:42:14] <pyCube> what battle?[05:42:15] <Sikosis> must dethrone WinCE ...[05:42:27] <Al2O3> ok, have the vmx and vmdk and they are in a folder, does the folder need to be named something special?[05:42:36] <Al2O3> Doing VMWare on OS X here[05:42:54] <rennj> that battle was begun back in like 1993 1994[05:43:04] <rennj> i watched my sun network go to shit[05:43:13] <pyCube> i guess i missed it[05:43:23] <rennj> and its just been a decline ever since[05:43:36] <rennj> server space, desktop space[05:44:16] <rennj> only thing linux did was eat the unix market up really[05:44:42] <rennj> and x86 eat the pricey pa-risc,sun-sparc,ibm power space[05:45:38] <rennj> virtualization is the big thing now, cause of price and power usage[05:48:23] <rennj> hehe i prefer it to, rather then have 3 or 4 physical computers here, i got this laptop running 3 or 4 vm's, and i save ton on money juice, and its nice and quiet[05:54:41] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[06:05:29] <Al2O3> VMs are great, as long as you have tons of RAM (3-4 gigs) and dont' mind a down computer taking down all your computers/vms.[06:05:40] <Al2O3> I have a lab of 10 minis, and distributed makes for a low risk to us.[06:05:45] <Al2O3> depends on what you can tolerate.[06:06:13] <Al2O3> we have another lab of more minis, and the risk is even lower :)[06:08:13] <Sikosis> 10 minis ? macs ?[06:08:27] <Al2O3> yes[06:08:32] <Sikosis> nice[06:09:25] <Al2O3> we have more, 3 vms per machine, or about 30+ hosts per lab, all for about 3K[06:09:26] <Al2O3> each[06:09:40] <Al2O3> wait, that is more like 5K per lab.[06:09:52] <Al2O3> and 30 vms, or about 166 USD per machine.[06:10:16] *** blk-majik has left #haiku[06:10:38] <Al2O3> it works out really well and cheap, low risk, and the real issue is scheduling.[06:18:34] <rennj> well if you had shared storage and vmotion then zero downtime[06:18:49] <rennj> course im sure vmotion costs[06:19:08] <rennj> and sharedstorage, i.e. a san costs[06:19:27] <Al2O3> :)[06:19:35] <Al2O3> yes, costs recurring as I recall.[06:20:54] *** zeii has quit IRC[06:21:51] <rennj> high availbility is pretty easy to achieve these days with clustering and clustering filesystems[06:37:53] <Al2O3> These are one time costs, refurb units, 3 year coverage included, 10 units, 30 VMs, 5K USD. or about 10 cents a day per VM for the 3 year life of the cluster.[06:38:00] <Al2O3> costs more per day in electricity to run[06:38:18] <etteyafed> YEEAH. My new server is in the _mail_[06:39:03] <umccullough> Al2O3, sorry, was afk for a while[06:39:30] <umccullough> and will be moreso :P[06:42:23] <etteyafed> You know what I hate about redhat distros. They are old on their release dates.[06:42:42] <etteyafed> I hate that. because otherwise they are great products.[06:44:01] <Al2O3> umccullough: now that I have the 2 files for the VM, do they need to be configured somehow, in a folder or how to use with VMWare.[06:44:45] <umccullough> Al2O3, you just load the vmx file using vmware[06:44:52] <umccullough> it has the name of the vmdk file in it[06:45:08] <umccullough> just have to be in the same directory[06:45:22] <Al2O3> cool.[06:45:46] <umccullough> should "just work" :)[06:46:05] <umccullough> and then you'll be asking: "How do I get more apps onto this image?"...heh[06:55:07] *** mat_gee1 has joined #haiku[07:10:27] *** Jin has joined #haiku[07:24:50] *** pyCube has quit IRC[07:24:51] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[07:25:57] *** nielx has joined #haiku[07:39:18] *** kokito has joined #haiku[08:00:41] *** agony_ has joined #haiku[08:01:56] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[08:02:42] <Jin> wow look at all the links in the topic :O[08:02:52] <Begasus> morning peeps[08:03:19] <Jin> omg Begasus[08:03:36] <Jin> note to self: do NOT write a law test at 3 in the morning ;_;[08:03:45] <Jin> err 2[08:03:54] <Begasus> ;)[08:04:43] <pyCube_> is that a law?[08:04:54] <Jin> ARE YOU A LAW?![08:06:05] <geist> I AM THE LAW[08:06:12] <Jin> O RLY[08:07:23] <Jin> I AM ABOVE THE LAW![08:08:47] <Jin> goddamnit[08:08:58] <Jin> I should know all this but I can't remember anything -_-[08:17:43] *** Jin has quit IRC[08:17:46] *** e1z0 has joined #haiku[08:17:49] <e1z0> hey[08:19:39] <JonathanThompson> I dispute your assertion e1z0![08:20:02] <e1z0> :O[08:20:18] <e1z0> its possible to boot haiku, beos, or zeta from usb key ?[08:20:42] <JonathanThompson> I can't answer for certain about Zeta, but definitely not the other two at this time.[08:20:53] *** joltz has quit IRC[08:21:45] <e1z0> i have zeta cd without bootsector but i have floppy.img, the only bad news is that my laptop does not have floppy drive[08:21:47] <e1z0> :-()[08:22:33] <JonathanThompson> I had started a job in January 2005 and was issued a desktop-replacement laptop that was brand new at the time.... it took me over a year to realize it didn't have a floppy drive :)[08:22:54] <e1z0> :-))[08:23:05] <JonathanThompson> So laptops without 3.5" floppy drives are quire normal now, especially if the laptop has a writable optical drive.[08:23:20] <e1z0> yes it has[08:23:39] <e1z0> i need solution to write floppy image to usb key and boot from it[08:23:48] <e1z0> but then i tried it not working[08:23:58] <e1z0> booting... image not found[08:24:01] <e1z0> or smth[08:24:31] <JonathanThompson> Sadly, Zeta has come the closest to that working, as I seem to recall mention of booting off USB for it.[08:25:11] <JonathanThompson> However, I don't have and have never had a working copy of Zeta, and part of that is I've got a motherboard wtih dual p3's that I understand from a bug report is one of those with broken SMP under Zeta anyway.[08:26:12] <JonathanThompson> Haiku doesn't have 100% of USB support yet even without it being used as a boot device. Hopefully it'll be added in time, but there are still quite a few (OHCI, I think) USB controllers it goes "What are you, and what can you do for me? I don't understand YOU!" :)[08:26:20] <Begasus> zeta cd without bootsector? ... :P[08:26:35] * JonathanThompson wonders what's going on with that :)[08:27:12] <Begasus> me too ;)[08:27:20] <Begasus> howdy JonathanThompson btw ;)[08:27:41] * JonathanThompson lobs a greeting at Begasus[08:28:08] * Begasus jumps in the air to grab the greeting ...[08:28:09] <Begasus> thnx ;)[08:28:41] <JonathanThompson> Just think, Begasus, from a sociological standpoint, how greetings will evolve over the next 100 years :)[08:28:57] <Begasus> cyber greetings to go ... :D[08:29:07] *** Purposeless has joined #haiku[08:31:33] <JonathanThompson> Hey Begasus, do you suppose there's some society where people pet each other in greetings in person? :)[08:31:58] *** SDragon has joined #haiku[08:32:07] <Begasus> if you found one let me know :)[08:32:25] <JonathanThompson> So you can visit it, or make sure you never visit it by mistake? :P[08:33:03] <Begasus> yeah :P[08:33:17] * JonathanThompson notes Begasus didn't specify which one :)[08:33:40] <Begasus> last one :P[08:34:04] <Begasus> do you even have some space left on the screen with all the notes you're taken? :p[08:34:30] <JonathanThompson> What notes are you referring to?[08:34:44] <JonathanThompson> The ones "JonathanThompson notes" ?[08:40:03] <Begasus> yep ...[08:40:19] <Begasus> have to jump out now and then to let the puppy outside ;)[08:41:08] <JonathanThompson> I have a blackhole device I file them in, and when I want to retrieve them, just interpret the Hawking Radiation :P[08:48:45] *** SDr has quit IRC[08:48:50] *** SDr has joined #haiku[08:52:33] *** SDragon has quit IRC[08:55:13] *** kokito has quit IRC[08:55:24] *** rennj has quit IRC[09:01:21] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:02:16] *** Deffy|iMac has quit IRC[09:04:19] *** cps1966 has joined #haiku[09:04:50] *** SDragon has joined #haiku[09:07:33] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[09:11:07] *** Euver has joined #haiku[09:16:03] <Begasus> someone should fix the "" error on BeBits :S[09:16:41] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[09:21:31] *** SDr has quit IRC[09:23:53] *** Purposeless has quit IRC[09:30:28] *** petterhj has quit IRC[09:33:03] *** Euver has quit IRC[09:38:40] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[09:45:56] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[09:47:05] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[09:47:08] <miqlas> Hello![09:48:11] <miqlas> I found something good....[09:48:14] <miqlas> ftp://ftp.beos.spb.ru/incoming/BeOS_UT_Unreal_Tournament_game_bin.tgz[09:48:28] <miqlas> I never see this before[09:55:49] <MrSunshine> heh :)[09:55:56] <MrSunshine> pity opengl support is quite bad still[09:56:01] <MrSunshine> but ati shall fix that ;)[09:57:19] <miqlas> ATI (AMD) opened the sources, right?[09:58:03] <MrSunshine> and specs[09:58:04] <MrSunshine> :)[10:06:39] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[10:12:49] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[10:22:26] <Begasus> miqlas, any idea who did it or where it came from?[10:24:33] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:34:28] <miqlas> Sorry, no.[10:34:32] <miqlas> You try it?[10:34:39] <miqlas> I cant try yet.[10:34:42] <miqlas> It is working?[10:44:13] *** slaad has joined #haiku[10:47:52] <Begasus> downloading still ...[10:47:56] <Begasus> 'lo slaad ;)[10:48:17] <Begasus> hmm downloaded ... (in ubuntu) ;)[10:52:48] *** piepsi has joined #haiku[10:57:06] <slaad> Hey[11:02:54] *** SprMa has quit IRC[11:17:46] *** slaad has quit IRC[11:21:04] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[11:23:09] *** PieterPan has joined #haiku[11:35:21] <PieterPan> Oops, I crashed Haiku while copying large files around...[11:35:34] <PieterPan> Either my partition ran out of space, or I'm out of memory.[11:36:01] <PieterPan> Silly thing is: I have about the same amount of memory and partition space ;)[11:37:43] <PieterPan> It is, however, still slowly doing stuff with the harddrive... page thief?[11:44:08] <Begasus> sync prob probably piepsi[11:51:38] *** Nies has quit IRC[11:56:20] <PieterPan> Does sync write back stuff slowly? I can copy a bunch of files 100 times in a flash (happens in memory) but eventually it must be written back :)[12:00:26] *** Nies has joined #haiku[12:01:26] *** judgen has quit IRC[12:03:26] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[12:05:14] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[12:06:36] <Begasus> remember that there were some probs with it in the past ...[12:06:55] <Begasus> don't know if it's still accurate though ...[12:08:14] <Ingenu> hey JonathanThompson I'm on page 564/736 on Large Scale c++ design[12:16:53] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[12:17:22] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[12:30:39] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[12:38:34] *** geist_ has joined #haiku[12:44:38] *** geist has quit IRC[12:53:14] *** Darknessss has joined #haiku[12:53:15] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[12:58:37] *** TheNerd_WK has joined #haiku[13:05:54] <CIA-5> axeld * r22495 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[13:05:54] <CIA-5> * vm_set_area_protection() would remap the whole area instead of just the page[13:05:54] <CIA-5> it intended to. That resulted in more writable pages where you wouldn't want[13:05:54] <CIA-5> them (ie. allowing the area to change pages in lower caches).[13:05:54] <CIA-5> * We were losing modified pages: vm_unmap_pages() sometimes has to preserve[13:05:55] <CIA-5> the modified flag (eg. when called from page fault).[13:05:59] <CIA-5> * Both of these were responsible that stealing active pages would crash[13:13:26] *** frodobeg25 has quit IRC[13:19:37] *** frodobeg25 has joined #haiku[13:28:55] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[13:31:06] *** Atomozero has joined #haiku[13:45:13] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[13:46:35] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[13:47:11] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[13:49:12] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[13:51:40] *** Atomozero has quit IRC[13:58:39] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[14:18:50] *** Darknessss has quit IRC[14:28:40] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[14:31:17] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[14:33:26] *** rhu has quit IRC[14:35:35] *** rhu has joined #haiku[14:37:06] *** Cube-ness has joined #haiku[14:44:13] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[14:50:17] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[14:52:32] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[14:57:24] *** TuneTracker has joined #Haiku[15:02:41] *** PieterPan has quit IRC[15:09:00] *** stargater has joined #Haiku[15:09:02] <stargater> Hi[15:09:52] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:09:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[15:12:21] <Begasus> plop[15:14:08] <mmu_man> plop[15:23:28] *** piepsi has quit IRC[15:40:41] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:42:32] *** meisje has joined #haiku[15:47:06] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:47:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[16:08:41] *** meisje has quit IRC[16:08:56] *** meisje has joined #haiku[16:18:35] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[16:30:12] *** insomnia_ is now known as insomnia[16:34:48] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[16:38:39] *** JonathanThompson has joined #Haiku[16:40:41] <etteyafed> Hmmm... now I must see if that has helped a vm_page_fault problem I have been having. It would be really cool it it did.[16:42:15] <JonathanThompson> Seems to me the VM is getting really close.[16:42:28] <JonathanThompson> Asymptotically, perhaps.[16:50:30] <etteyafed> I have noticed a few general speedups over the last few days. However the vidia driver still won't work with my card. Can't have it all I suppose.[16:51:20] <JonathanThompson> Speedups are nice, but logically correct operation of the system is a far more important objective to hit first :)[16:51:49] <JonathanThompson> Though system speedups are likely to come as a direct side-effect of correct operation, to some degree.[16:51:54] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[16:52:00] <etteyafed> I don't really expect the driver to work for all the cards for quite some time. Yes, well correct operation sometimes results in an inevitable speedup.[16:52:50] <ronny> yo[16:53:08] <JonathanThompson> I strongly suspect by the time the CPU's I'm looking at buying are available for sale, I'll actually be able to run Haiku on the new hardware I'm likely to get.[16:53:11] <ronny> is there any git/hg mirror of the haiku repos ?[16:53:21] <JonathanThompson> There's svn.[16:53:33] <JonathanThompson> That's the revision control software Haiku uses.[16:54:06] <ronny> yeah - but creating a local git/hg mirror puts a large amount of load on the server[16:54:15] <JonathanThompson> If you're looking for source code downloads, I think the one that's the main one is it.[16:54:51] <ronny> im looking for something with full history[16:55:17] <JonathanThompson> IIRC things started out first with CVS, then transitioned at some point to svn.[16:55:46] <JonathanThompson> So, the current svn repository is likely your only source for source with full history.[16:56:09] <ronny> but svn is really slow for any history ops :/[16:56:33] <JonathanThompson> That's life, and often life sucks.[16:56:38] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[16:56:43] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: yeah, started off as CVS on SF[16:56:52] <etteyafed> If you really want you can use bzr-svn[16:56:54] <dr_evil> ronny just a moment[16:56:58] <cps1966> yeah but openbeos[16:57:48] <ronny> etteyafed: i never want to use bzr again (i had tonns of "fun" with it allready)[16:58:30] <etteyafed> Yeah. I havn't had any trouble yet. I have seen no perfect vcs yet.[16:58:56] <dr_evil> ronny nightly svn tree dump (with history) http://download.berlios.de/svndumps/haiku-repos.gz[16:59:30] <DeadYak> interesting, didn't know berlios did that[16:59:33] <ronny> mm - thats large[16:59:35] <dr_evil> 466 MB[17:00:02] <ronny> well - lest see if i get it below 150 with git/hg[17:00:03] <mmu_man> ronny I used perforce at yellowTAB, works quite well[17:00:08] <JonathanThompson> If that contains everything from the start up to and including the last night, that doesn't seem all that large for what it is.[17:00:11] <mmu_man> only downside is it's not free software[17:00:18] *** Al2O3_ has joined #haiku[17:00:18] <mmu_man> but for opensource projects it's free to use[17:00:25] <JonathanThompson> I'm currently usng perforce at work.[17:00:26] <ronny> mmu_man: its centralized[17:00:26] <dr_evil> well, the download is hidden for normal users[17:00:29] <mmu_man> it doesn't create any extra file[17:00:35] <mmu_man> well you can't have it all :P[17:00:40] <ronny> mmu_man: im often commiting from train/the woods[17:01:20] <mmu_man> well if you want to be able to commit without a connection you must have a depot mirror somewhere[17:01:32] <mmu_man> you can't just do it ex nihilo[17:01:32] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: text does compress rather well :)[17:01:41] <JonathanThompson> Usually :)[17:01:47] <JonathanThompson> wefpowefowrghowrgfgwef9owef0934tewqr[gqwefgh[17:01:52] <JonathanThompson> Compress THAT :P[17:01:55] <ronny> mmu_man: all free dvcs's do that for free[17:02:21] <ronny> (a git/hg mirror is usualy smaller than a svn workdir)[17:02:47] <mmu_man> so, what's the prob ?[17:03:06] <ronny> mmu_man: projects that use the centralized ones[17:03:10] <mmu_man> check ffmpeg, they have git access with svn[17:03:51] *** Al2O3_ has quit IRC[17:03:52] <ronny> 'git svn' is problematic - used it for some time - it did some scarry stuff[17:04:03] <mmu_man> tell them :)[17:04:12] * JonathanThompson notes it sounds like ronny can't be satisfied[17:04:41] <ronny> JonathanThompson: its really had to satisfy me ;P[17:05:12] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[17:05:32] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[17:05:37] * JonathanThompson wanders off into the tamerness[17:05:50] <ronny> hmm - the svn dumps will be some help[17:05:57] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[17:06:25] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[17:06:28] <ronny> it will be much faster to import[17:07:06] <dr_evil> ronny what are you going to do?[17:07:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[17:07:39] <mmu_man> I looked at git but it seems not very portable[17:07:41] <ronny> dr_evil: set up a git repo wih the dumps, then conect them to the main repo of haiku[17:08:01] <ronny> mmu_man: git just needs good posix support[17:08:46] <mmu_man> not so sure[17:09:34] <ronny> mmu_man: it works well on bsd, its jsut problematic cause on windows, cause windows is odd[17:09:49] <ronny> hmm - i think i need to grab some coffee[17:10:39] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[17:12:05] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[17:13:01] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[17:13:50] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[17:14:26] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[17:17:19] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:19:41] *** Nies has quit IRC[17:20:58] *** TheNerd__WK has joined #haiku[17:31:32] *** DENTREDC__ has joined #haiku[17:34:21] *** reallyjoel has joined #haiku[17:37:05] *** emitrax_ has joined #haiku[17:37:28] *** TheNerd_WK has quit IRC[17:37:36] *** emitrax has quit IRC[17:39:39] *** DENTREDC__ is now known as TheNerd_WK[17:40:43] * etteyafed lets a third mongoose loose in the channel.[17:45:21] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[17:49:08] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:49:13] *** TheNerd__WK has quit IRC[17:49:18] <mmu_man> anyone made a ppc build recently ?[17:49:30] <DeadYak> mmu_man: looked like Korli was working on it a week or so ago[17:49:39] <DeadYak> mmu_man: saw him do a lot of OF and/or PPC platform fixes[17:50:37] *** SDr has joined #haiku[17:50:44] *** SDragon has quit IRC[17:50:45] <mmu_man> I still crash ld :-([17:51:51] <DeadYak> :([17:51:58] <DeadYak> no hints as to the cause?[17:54:09] <mmu_man> not much[17:54:18] <mmu_man> maybe it's a bug in gcc4 that compiled it[17:57:46] <cps1966> there are no bugs in gcc4[17:58:16] <mmu_man> ugh ;)[17:58:28] <etteyafed> None in Vista either.[17:58:46] <cps1966> vista is a big bug[17:58:51] <etteyafed> Or in the Haiku kernel for that matter.[17:59:07] *** meisje has quit IRC[17:59:20] <etteyafed> LOL - No bugs in Vista, Vista IS the bug.[17:59:23] <cps1966> haiku kernel is dated[17:59:34] *** kokito has joined #haiku[18:00:08] <cps1966> gcc4 is asking for precise details is all[18:00:13] <etteyafed> How can it be -dated- when it is being updated, revised, and develpoed on a daily basis[18:00:52] <cps1966> try gcc4.3 then[18:01:19] <cps1966> even more of a bitch[18:01:38] <etteyafed> Well haiku builds and runs just fine for me on gcc 4.1.3[18:02:17] <mmu_man> is it normal that src/system/kernel/linkhack.c is 0 bytes ?[18:02:17] <etteyafed> I just normally use a 2.9 build so i can run Be stuff also.[18:02:20] <mmu_man> suppose so[18:02:34] <mmu_man> gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)[18:03:07] <dr_evil> mmu_man yes its normal[18:03:19] <etteyafed> I don't think that that version is still a pre. 4.2 is out so there should be an upgrade with your name on it.[18:04:03] <cps1966> gcc (GCC) 4.2.2 20070909[18:04:16] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:04:34] <etteyafed> 4.1.3 20070929 I guess it is all the same.[18:04:39] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[18:04:57] <cps1966> i just gave you latest[18:05:26] <cps1966> sept 29 2007[18:05:33] <etteyafed> Yeah, i mean I have a newer build of an older version. o likely a different distro.[18:06:10] <mmu_man> I'm on debian stable[18:06:24] <etteyafed> Ubuntu Gutsy[18:06:47] <etteyafed> but there is only like 8 days left until the release now.[18:06:57] *** agony_ has quit IRC[18:08:12] <etteyafed> How long do they think Etch will be the latest? Just two years this time, or maybe 18 mos? ;)[18:08:29] <etteyafed> Sorry. I couldn't resist.[18:10:25] <mmu_man> eh[18:10:46] <mmu_man> I could try gcc3..[18:10:50] <mmu_man> not sure how to force that[18:10:54] *** genkie has joined #haiku[18:11:19] <etteyafed> just set CC=gcc-3.versionnumber and CXX=[18:11:44] <etteyafed> but you may need to install it. they will co-exist[18:14:38] <mmu_man> I do have it installed already[18:14:53] <mmu_man> I think[18:14:58] <mmu_man> yes[18:15:01] <mmu_man> was needed for qemu[18:15:14] <etteyafed> then just do CC= and CXX= jam -j2[18:15:49] <mmu_man> no no![18:15:56] <etteyafed> no?[18:15:58] <mmu_man> it's the cross compiler that needs to be built with it[18:16:15] <etteyafed> oh my bad[18:16:16] <mmu_man> actually binutils[18:16:19] <etteyafed> i forgot[18:16:49] <etteyafed> well it is the same but with ./configure[18:17:05] <mmu_man> hmm no g++-3.4[18:17:13] <mmu_man> maybe setting to gcc should do[18:17:48] <etteyafed> well you should just install g++ also. But thats your call[18:18:07] <etteyafed> i think it uses both.?[18:18:14] <mmu_man> should be a single package[18:18:37] <etteyafed> well they can be installed seperatly[18:19:12] <etteyafed> they aren't all in one. but i think there may be a virt pkg for it[18:19:58] <mmu_man> no g++ or gxx in aptitude[18:20:03] <mmu_man> besides I have g++-4.1[18:20:08] <mmu_man> oh well, let's see[18:21:04] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[18:21:31] <mmu_man> I'll have time to shower and eat before it's done[18:21:34] <mmu_man> brb[18:22:17] *** stargater has quit IRC[18:22:53] <etteyafed> in ubuntu the package is g++-3.4[18:23:20] <mmu_man> I suppose debian doesn't split them[18:23:37] <mmu_man> anyway, I think gcc can bootstrap with a C only compiler, we'll see[18:23:58] *** cps1966 has quit IRC[18:31:45] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[18:36:19] *** kokito has quit IRC[18:38:14] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[18:40:55] *** genkiemaui has joined #haiku[18:47:44] *** Penix_ has joined #haiku[18:48:30] <Begasus> nice nicks visiting 'da house' ;)[18:52:08] *** genkie has quit IRC[18:52:11] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[18:54:48] * etteyafed hands johndrinkwater a warm pint.[18:55:50] * etteyafed has a round brought over for the rest at the haiku table.[18:56:58] <Begasus> cheers[18:57:32] <etteyafed> To the fixing of kernel bugs![18:57:50] <johndrinkwater> quite strange, but thank you. :)[18:58:41] <etteyafed> Well it wouldn't be #haiku without a little strange now would it?[18:59:43] *** BePower has joined #haiku[19:01:29] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[19:04:08] *** Penix has quit IRC[19:07:17] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[19:13:16] <etteyafed> I am preparing to write my first Be/Haiku app. Learning the API still. Is there anything really simple that we need/want?[19:13:49] <etteyafed> All I saw that was app/ui related was a net pref app, but we sortof have that.[19:14:03] <etteyafed> We == haiku users.[19:15:44] *** reallyjoel has quit IRC[19:17:50] *** korli has joined #haiku[19:17:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[19:18:07] <korli> evening[19:18:19] *** kokito has joined #haiku[19:18:34] <mmu_man> damn[19:18:43] <mmu_man> same problem :-([19:18:46] <Begasus> evening korli[19:18:51] <Begasus> hi kokito ![19:19:07] <kokito> hi Begasus :)[19:19:32] <Begasus> how it going there?[19:19:42] <kokito> slow day Begasus :)[19:19:57] <Begasus> nice ... once in a while ;)[19:20:24] <kokito> can you guys access http://news.bbc.co.uk ?[19:20:50] <mmu_man> korli: did you recently built the ppc cross gcc4 ?[19:21:00] <mmu_man> I get a crash in powerpc-apple-haiku-ld[19:21:10] <Begasus> yeah kokito[19:21:16] <dr_evil> kokito images are missing, but the texts loads[19:21:31] <dr_evil> something is wrong with that site[19:21:48] <kokito> hmm.... I get a "No suitable nodes are available to serve your request." error[19:22:34] *** geist_ is now known as geist[19:22:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[19:22:52] <dr_evil> kokito well, 20 ms ping but it doesn't work right[19:24:32] <kokito> maybe it's been hacked...[19:27:15] <etteyafed> the Be GUI API Looks easy enough... but I am still not sure what I am going to write. Maybe a simple pong game. hmm[19:28:45] <korli> mmu_man: you hit a bug of gcc or binutils : I use a previous version[19:29:55] *** SprMa has quit IRC[19:31:15] <mmu_man> korli: which one ? the one in svn or the one that built it ??[19:31:24] <mmu_man> I already rebuilt the whole thing with gcc 3.4 and it's the same[19:32:26] *** Ketsuban_ has joined #haiku[19:32:44] <korli> mmu_man: I remember it works with previous binutils (r20227)[19:33:25] <mmu_man> ok[19:34:14] <korli> I could be wrong though[19:34:17] *** stargater has joined #haiku[19:34:21] <stargater> re[19:34:47] <mmu_man> well I'll try that one[19:35:02] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[19:35:43] <etteyafed> re[19:35:49] <etteyafed> er[19:35:58] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[19:36:48] <korli> mmu_man: it should still be 4.1.2[19:37:08] <mmu_man> I'll only svn up -r20227 binutils/ for now, and see what it does[19:37:16] <korli> sure[19:37:46] <korli> I had mail exchanges with Ingo and Oliver about it 6 months ago but can't find them again[19:40:20] <mmu_man> here I try again...[19:40:47] *** Monni has joined #haiku[19:44:06] <mmu_man> plop[19:44:13] <mmu_man> Monni: hey long time no see![19:45:01] <korli> mmu_man : found a mail with a patch to binutils to avoid failing, Ingo said the patch would broke all applications, it then just helps to keep the build up to date[19:46:00] <mmu_man> well if it works that way I don't care much[19:46:11] <mmu_man> I just want to check if it works so I can add m68k[19:46:39] <korli> if what works ?[19:47:04] *** cizra has joined #haiku[19:47:05] <mmu_man> ppc build[19:47:05] <cizra> Hi[19:47:28] <cizra> I made a partition free. (Must love LVM). How could I get Haiku on it?[19:48:16] <Begasus> http://haiku-os.org/community/forum/installing_haiku_to_a_partition_from_linux[19:48:22] <dr_evil> Torvalds on git: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8[19:48:35] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[19:48:58] <cizra> Thank you![19:49:09] <Begasus> w00t ... 70 minutes ... ;)[19:49:37] <dr_evil> in my opinion, the youtube comments show little selv confidence, just cult behaviour. "If Linus farts, then it must be good"[19:51:18] *** guma has joined #haiku[19:51:31] <Begasus> haven't even heard of git before today ...[19:51:42] <Begasus> still not sure what's it all about ;)[19:51:48] *** BePower has quit IRC[19:52:08] *** genkiemaui has quit IRC[19:52:39] <dr_evil> well git is a distrubuted sourcecode management system, pretty good[19:56:32] <cizra> Yep, it's nice, I like it.[19:57:25] <dr_evil> outstanding youtube comment:[19:57:30] <dr_evil> "Ok, someone? calling me a "TROLL" because I said that Linus invented GNU "Gnu is Not Unix". IT WAS LINUS WHO INVENTED GNU!"[20:00:16] *** miqlas has quit IRC[20:01:35] <etteyafed> geist: PING ipro1000 question. Does the driver support the ipro1000 found in centrino duo laptops? It is 82573L but lists as ipro1000.[20:02:09] <etteyafed> It uses the e1000 linux driver.[20:04:05] <dr_evil> I don[20:04:10] <dr_evil> 't know[20:04:31] <dr_evil> we also have a ported e1000 with the new freebsd driver wrapper[20:05:13] <etteyafed> dr_evil: sorry i forgot that YOU are Mr Overhagan[20:05:56] <korli> dr_evil: just to let you know, in my case, ipro1000 is too old and the freebsd wrapped driver doesn't seem to work[20:06:40] <etteyafed> Well it likely is not because it won't work for me atm. BUT that does not mean that there is no solution. Is the freebsd driver and wrapper commited?[20:09:00] <dr_evil> yes it's in the tree. ipro1000 is also based on a very old freebsd e1000 driver[20:09:30] <dr_evil> I didn't have time to update it, but at least it works with vmware and quite a few chipsets[20:09:58] <etteyafed> Ok. The free bsd driver works for me on bsd so it should work in haiku if it is ported.[20:10:18] <etteyafed> There is nothing i need to do to make it try and load?[20:10:31] * wasosa__ is back (gone 18:05:33)[20:10:36] <mmu_man> korli: it seems to work now[20:10:50] <mmu_man> passed the kerenl[20:11:54] <etteyafed> mmu_man: You used gcc 4.1.2? What kind of machine are you going to run it on?[20:12:21] <korli> mmu_man: note that some things like the pxe_loader are supposed to fail to build[20:12:35] <mmu_man> pxe for ppc ??[20:13:02] <etteyafed> I have an old G4 that I might pull out of storage and play with if it still works. or not. I think it is broken.[20:13:18] <mmu_man> etteyafed: I'm just making sure the ppc build works, before I try making an m68k one[20:13:35] <etteyafed> Oh[20:13:51] <korli> mmu_man: if you use this binutils for other x86 builds ...[20:14:27] <mmu_man> ok[20:15:03] <etteyafed> dr_evil: where in the tree is the freebsd wrapper and driver(s)? i can't find it[20:18:14] <korli> in src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/ipro1000/dev/em/[20:18:39] <etteyafed> hmm[20:18:41] <etteyafed> ok[20:20:41] *** Monni has quit IRC[20:22:14] *** etteyafed is now known as etteyafed_away[20:24:00] *** BePower has joined #haiku[20:26:41] *** alpha-li1n has joined #haiku[20:29:03] <etteyafed_away> Thought: If everyone in this channel donated $100 twice a year that would be over $2000/year that could be used for bounties and hw for testing...[20:29:30] <etteyafed_away> Too bad I am so cheap.[20:30:10] *** etteyafed_away has quit IRC[20:32:35] *** genkie has joined #haiku[20:33:24] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[20:33:37] *** acidx has joined #haiku[20:33:52] *** Euver has joined #haiku[20:38:56] <Begasus> g'night peeps[20:39:49] *** Begasus has quit IRC[20:40:40] *** meisje has joined #haiku[20:41:40] *** alpha-lion has quit IRC[20:42:06] *** rgb1 has joined #haiku[20:42:16] *** Atomozero has joined #haiku[20:42:42] *** lorglas has quit IRC[20:43:18] *** alpha-li1n is now known as alpha-lion[20:52:04] <mmu_man> ok, ppc build works[20:52:43] <korli> nice[20:53:08] *** Atomozero has quit IRC[20:53:13] *** BePower has quit IRC[20:55:18] *** Atomozero has joined #haiku[20:55:34] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[20:56:27] *** emitrax__ has joined #haiku[20:56:48] <Atomozero> korli its possible dowgrade the revision? now i have 22495 end kdl on boot :([20:57:35] <MrSunshine_> svn up -revision or something[20:57:47] <MrSunshine_> look up the commands to svn[20:57:53] <Atomozero> thx[20:58:21] <MrSunshine_> svn up -r<revision here>[20:58:45] <mmu_man> hmm anyone ever tried booting the ppc build in qemu-system-ppc ?[20:59:29] * Atomozero downgrade at r22450[21:02:11] <korli> mmu_man: it doesn't work :)[21:03:51] <mmu_man> you tried ?[21:04:09] <korli> yeah one time[21:04:29] <mmu_man> oddly with -M g3bw (default) it just gives the monitor prompt and waits[21:04:38] *** TheNerd_WK has quit IRC[21:07:09] *** oco has joined #haiku[21:07:14] <mmu_man> hmm the others complain about no partition, of course haiku.image doesn't have a partition table...[21:07:29] <mmu_man> hmm maybe I could use a .vmx[21:09:26] <mmu_man> hmmm[21:09:28] <mmu_man> Yacc1 generated/objects/haiku/ppc/common/bin/bash/parse.c generated/objects/haiku/ppc/common/bin/bash/parse.h[21:09:31] <mmu_man> src/bin/bash/parse.y: conflits: 1 décalage/réduction[21:09:38] <dr_evil> 3rdparty/vmware[21:10:55] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[21:12:01] <mmu_man> dr_evil: ??[21:12:12] <mmu_man> jam haiku-vmware-image ?[21:12:20] <mmu_man> hmm it doesn't add any partiiton table[21:13:15] <mmu_man> I should write something to fake one[21:13:22] <dr_evil> yes, "jam haiku-vmware-image"[21:13:43] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[21:13:47] <mmu_man> yes but it doesn't work either in qemu[21:14:02] <dr_evil> and http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/*checkout*/haiku/haiku/trunk/3rdparty/vmware/haiku.vmx?rev=19989[21:14:03] <mmu_man> I think the OF wants a DOS partition table...[21:14:14] <mmu_man> qemu doesn't care about .vmx[21:14:24] <dr_evil> ok I only used vmware sofar[21:15:12] *** emitrax__ has quit IRC[21:15:34] <korli> Atomozero: does it work ?[21:16:06] <Atomozero> ....patience....[21:16:38] *** Haicube has joined #haiku[21:16:55] <Atomozero> now i compiling a old revision and a try if can boot[21:17:45] *** BePower has joined #haiku[21:18:23] <korli> revision 22475 might be the culprit[21:24:47] *** guma has quit IRC[21:26:15] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[21:28:08] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[21:29:22] *** boulboul has joined #haiku[21:31:19] *** boulboul has quit IRC[21:32:34] <Atomozero> rebooot[21:32:35] *** Atomozero has quit IRC[21:34:45] *** genkie has quit IRC[21:35:10] *** rennj has joined #haiku[21:40:36] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[21:41:27] <AlienSoldier> kokito: are those webcast available to download if we missed them?[21:44:41] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r22496 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/debugger/hangman/hangman.c: Fix warnings[21:44:59] *** ThomHolwerda has joined #haiku[21:49:13] <kokito> AlienSoldier, no, we did not record the webcast[21:50:16] <kokito> AlienSoldier, I may write a brief report if I can find the time late tonight[21:51:00] <AlienSoldier> ok thanx[21:51:34] *** Atomozero has joined #haiku[21:51:49] <Atomozero> korli :([21:51:59] <Atomozero> the cpu is at 100%[21:52:03] <Atomozero> and no sound[21:53:14] *** Atomozero has quit IRC[21:59:18] *** Ketsuban_ is now known as Ketsuban[22:00:14] <korli> obviously I didn't test with ICH4 ...[22:00:58] <mmu_man> gahh, linux sux, no BeIDE, emacs is ugly, xemacs is 100MB...[22:01:10] <mmu_man> no Pe[22:01:24] <dr_evil> kate or kdevelop[22:01:55] <pulkomandy> vim or scite or codeblocks :)[22:02:28] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[22:02:41] <korli> or nano[22:03:09] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:03:22] <mmu_man> erk[22:04:35] *** rgb1 has quit IRC[22:05:51] <CIA-5> rudolfc * r22497 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/driver.c:[22:05:51] <CIA-5> updated naming for some previous unknown cards, added 24 new cards for[22:05:51] <CIA-5> support/recognition in the kernel driver, being GF 6xxx, 7xxx and 8xxx types.[22:05:51] <CIA-5> Also two more nforce 6100 4x0 cards recognized now. NOTE: accelerant update will[22:05:51] <CIA-5> come at a later date (soon I hope), needs more investigation first.[22:07:35] <pulkomandy> http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/curves.jpg[22:07:36] <pulkomandy> :)[22:09:56] <mmu_man> ncie one[22:11:23] * wasosa__ is away: gotta work[22:11:38] <MrSunshine_> RUDOLF?![22:11:41] <MrSunshine_> HES BACK?! :)[22:11:55] <JonathanThompson> Either that, or someone hacked all his accounts and his mind :P[22:12:15] <Haicube> Brilliant to have him back isn't it =)[22:12:20] <MrSunshine_> yeah :)[22:12:29] <MrSunshine_> allt ho i rather use ATI these days thanks to the open specs ;)[22:12:37] <Haicube> LoL[22:13:36] <JonathanThompson> Of course, if the recent story about iMacs freezing from ATI problems is any indication, perhaps nVidia is better in practice...[22:13:53] <MrSunshine_> i dont care about macs ;)[22:14:01] <Haicube> really, I don't care to be honest... I think they both have some serious issues...[22:14:20] <JonathanThompson> That's a likely issue when a whole generation may last 6 months or less.[22:14:39] <JonathanThompson> Something's got to give, and quality is usually the first to go with short development cycles with major functionality added.[22:15:04] <Haicube> indeed[22:15:25] <JonathanThompson> I saw it in the CD-ROM drive field before I left DADC.[22:15:28] <Haicube> Now that I'm not a hardcore gamer anymore, I really don't see my abusing any modern gfx card. but maybe that's just me[22:16:07] <Haicube> I'd prefer some old card with real stable drivers rather than latest and most hardcore stuff, unfortunately it's hard to find in a new box =)[22:16:10] <JonathanThompson> When I do finally get a new box to replace this one, I suspect I won't be getting the top-of-the-line of what's currently available, as long as it is decent for everyday stuff in all OS's.[22:16:22] <Haicube> They all seem to be more or less mate[22:16:40] <JonathanThompson> Well, my next new box I predict will be a dual processor Xeon, so... not the typical game box :P[22:16:45] <Haicube> Check fan noise level rather than throughput[22:16:54] <Haicube> Indeed not[22:17:03] <Haicube> Why not go for Dual Quad or something while at it[22:17:04] <JonathanThompson> That is one of my more practical concerns, as well as waste heat.[22:17:14] <JonathanThompson> That's why I'm waiting :)[22:17:19] <JonathanThompson> (I had that planned for awhile)[22:17:28] <Haicube> hehe[22:17:32] <JonathanThompson> The SATA driver support is also a big thing I've been waiting on.[22:17:40] <Haicube> for Haiku you mean or in general?[22:17:52] <JonathanThompson> With that apparently working (or very close to it) I should be able to boot natively.[22:17:56] <Haicube> you think Haiku will scale well on 8 cores?[22:17:57] <JonathanThompson> Haiku.[22:18:05] <JonathanThompson> If not, I'll help it :P[22:18:07] <Haicube> Hehehe[22:18:09] <Haicube> True[22:18:23] <JonathanThompson> I have thoughts in mind for how I'll use 8 cores, even in my IDE.[22:18:34] <Haicube> assuming Haiku keeps the slim way like BeOS did, you can produce miracle with just 1 modern core I suppose...[22:18:50] <Haicube> not sure what 8 cores would do[22:19:08] <JonathanThompson> Allow populating auto-completion databases from a huge project 8x faster :)[22:19:15] <JonathanThompson> (Or close to it)[22:19:16] <Haicube> LoL[22:19:25] <Haicube> Ok[22:19:38] <Haicube> not that I'm sure what that is but anyway[22:19:40] <Haicube> BRB[22:25:40] <Haicube> back[22:26:35] <mmu_man> ok let's uninstall emacs and install xemacs :)[22:26:42] <mmu_man> the only real one[22:26:47] <mmu_man> </troll>[22:26:55] * JonathanThompson slaps mmu_man with a wet salmon :)[22:26:56] <DeadYak> EmacsOS![22:27:09] * JonathanThompson wanders back to work, more or less[22:27:31] <DeadYak> text mode emacs is 42 MB?[22:28:01] <mmu_man> no, emacs has a gui as well[22:28:34] <DeadYak> oh?[22:28:53] <DeadYak> what's the difference then?[22:29:15] <mmu_man> politics :)[22:29:25] <mmu_man> XEmacs forked from Emacs[22:29:32] <mmu_man> and they keep bashing each other[22:29:51] <Ketsuban> They both refuse to accept the truth - nano is the best editor.[22:29:53] * Ketsuban runs[22:30:14] <mmu_man> see http://xemacs.org/About/XEmacsVsGNUemacs.html[22:30:25] <stargater> vim vim[22:30:30] *** JamesB192 has joined #haiku[22:30:53] <Haicube> I really don't get either of 'em. Ever heard of Textpad or GWD?[22:31:03] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[22:34:38] *** frodobeg25 has quit IRC[22:35:31] <JamesB192> I thought I had, but after checking, I had not.[22:36:29] <Haicube> Well in my POV, Textpad and GWD are the stuff... the others are just pointless "Notepads on steroids"[22:37:09] <Haicube> but I figure I just haven't understood the Emacs Vim etc.....[22:37:46] * JamesB192 *hates* vi.[22:38:08] <dr_evil> :q![22:38:30] *** AlienSoldier is now known as AlienSoldierAWAY[22:41:15] <MrSunshine_> man i want a full blown haiku system :)[22:41:17] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[22:41:22] <MrSunshine_> a stable, that is self sustaining[22:42:49] *** Ketsuban has joined #haiku[22:44:38] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[22:45:31] <dr_evil> MrSunshine_ then start coding[22:45:55] <mmu_man> send patches to openbeos at freelists dot org :)[22:47:15] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[22:47:47] *** Euver has quit IRC[22:49:12] <Haicube> MrSunshine_, if it[22:49:19] <Haicube> is blown, I really don't see the use of it[22:51:56] *** frodobeg25 has joined #haiku[22:52:19] <MrSunshine_> thing is that i dont knbow jack about how an os is structured ... and i cant run OS on the laptop .. where i mainly am[22:52:25] <MrSunshine_> BeOS[22:54:06] *** Ketsuban has joined #haiku[22:54:24] *** frodobeg25 has quit IRC[22:54:32] <pulkomandy> +++[22:54:37] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[22:55:55] <Haicube> MrSunshine_, so we're 2 then I suppose who don't know jack =)...[22:56:15] <Haicube> Have patience, I've had that for years now =), sooner or later we'll see a release[22:57:24] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[22:57:58] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[22:59:03] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[22:59:18] *** Ketsuban has joined #haiku[22:59:32] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[23:00:36] <mmu_man> hmm ...[23:00:43] <mmu_man> if (atomic_test_and_set((vint32 *)&vnode->advisory_locking, (addr_t)locking, NULL) == NULL)[23:01:13] <mmu_man> we might want to #define some atomic_test_and_set_ptr to avoid braking on x64[23:05:53] <e1z0> http://www.l4m3rz.com:8000/listen.m3u[23:08:28] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[23:11:28] *** meisje has quit IRC[23:13:47] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[23:15:16] *** Haicube has quit IRC[23:19:46] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[23:21:07] *** BePower has quit IRC[23:21:44] *** rennj has quit IRC[23:24:48] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[23:25:45] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[23:33:10] *** frodobeg25 has joined #haiku[23:37:15] <ddew|bofh> o&[23:37:16] <ddew|bofh> o/[23:38:41] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[23:38:41] *** Cube-ness has quit IRC[23:39:02] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[23:39:05] *** Cube-ness has joined #haiku[23:40:10] <ddew|bofh> discovered some good things and some not so good things. the ahci appears to be ok if i boot from it. unfortunatly haiku craps out just after trying the via driver.[23:45:02] *** Ketsuban has joined #haiku[23:47:06] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[23:48:25] <Ingenu> night everyone[23:48:38] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:48:45] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[23:50:15] *** Ketsuban has joined #haiku[23:50:17] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[23:50:40] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[23:50:47] <mmu_man> hmm good question[23:51:00] <mmu_man> what's the convention for returning 64bit values on m68k[23:51:08] <mmu_man> it's d0 and d1 but which is MSB...[23:52:42] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[23:54:44] <mmu_man> /* On the m68k the return value is always in D0. */[23:54:46] <mmu_man> hmm[23:59:40] *** mmadia has joined #haiku