October 6, 2007 
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October 6, 2007 [00:21:57] *** oco has quit IRC[00:33:10] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[00:38:03] *** rgb has quit IRC[00:38:04] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:39:56] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22453 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/disk_device_manager/ddm_userland_interface.cpp:[00:39:56] <CIA-5> * Fixed gcc 4 warnings.[00:39:56] <CIA-5> * Style cleanup.[00:44:34] *** slaad has joined #haiku[00:44:51] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[00:45:27] *** acidx has joined #haiku[00:50:52] *** nielx has joined #haiku[00:51:02] <nielx> buenas noches[00:51:16] <DeadYak> evening nielx[00:51:40] *** pyCube has quit IRC[00:52:51] <slaad> Yakkie.[00:53:02] <DeadYak> slaady[00:53:10] <slaad> :)[00:53:16] * slaad noogies and other such formalities.[00:53:24] <DeadYak> how goes?[00:53:26] * DeadYak wedgies[00:53:36] <slaad> Not bad... just woke up for a nice day of coding.[00:53:49] <slaad> Unfortunately my Radeon 9000 didn't arrive as expected. So VESA and single head :([00:53:57] <DeadYak> :/[00:54:16] <slaad> I'm hoping it also solves my DMA failures as well. (I can dream, right? :)[00:58:57] *** magnetron has quit IRC[01:06:25] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[01:06:36] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[01:06:55] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[01:07:23] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[01:07:28] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:13:54] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[01:13:58] *** nielx has quit IRC[01:15:22] *** SDr has joined #haiku[01:15:38] *** SDragon has quit IRC[01:20:57] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[01:24:43] *** Stamrogh has quit IRC[01:25:46] *** Master199 has quit IRC[01:26:02] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22454 /haiku/trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs):[01:26:02] <CIA-5> * Allow NULL name argument on initialization.[01:26:02] <CIA-5> * Some code beautification on the way.[01:34:14] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[01:36:14] *** ul1984 has joined #haiku[01:50:40] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[01:50:40] *** pyCube has quit IRC[01:57:11] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[01:59:36] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[02:04:21] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[02:10:11] *** ul1984 has quit IRC[02:34:10] *** alpha-li1n has joined #haiku[02:34:28] *** alpha-lion has quit IRC[02:35:05] *** alpha-li1n is now known as alpha-lion[02:37:32] *** Master199 has quit IRC[02:38:05] *** TheNerd_LT has joined #haiku[02:38:49] *** Karina``` has quit IRC[02:39:26] *** TheNerd_LT has quit IRC[02:39:28] *** Karina``` has joined #haiku[02:39:49] *** TheNerd_LT has joined #haiku[02:40:49] *** Karina``` has quit IRC[02:45:01] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[02:46:11] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[03:07:06] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[03:11:10] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[03:12:25] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[03:28:12] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[03:28:14] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[03:29:26] *** umccullough_work has quit IRC[03:32:35] *** aldeck has quit IRC[03:36:32] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[03:40:36] *** TheNerd_LT has quit IRC[03:47:51] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[03:54:49] *** Disreali has quit IRC[04:27:51] * JamesB192 sings, 'Shave a sheep, kill a yak. We will soon attack. Film a wildebeast.'??[04:32:26] * JamesB192 continues from the cliff notes, 'Loping across the plain. Georgies whack, yes he's mad, he's doing pretty bad, he's insane. He's got terror on the brain.'[04:32:27] *** acidx has quit IRC[04:35:40] <JamesB192> And in other news, Osama bin Laden sued Sears becuase Dan Rather got a terrorist only Plutonium mastercard, and he didn't.[04:39:10] *** Deffy|iMac has joined #haiku[04:40:25] <JamesB192> Then they busted him in court, only to find out it was his double Mike Teevee.[04:42:03] <JamesB192> But seriously, GW Bush is a bigger terrorist/nogoodnik than OBL ever was.[04:42:53] <JamesB192> And I remeber hearing something along the lines that if the american lifestyle changes the terrorists have won.[04:43:57] <JamesB192> Then they immediately killed all air travel for days and implemented not too effective security measures. Ha.[04:50:07] <JamesB192> Oh yeah, How about this for a manga style wallpaper. A raccoon dog lying under a tree which is dropping leaves.[05:05:12] *** mode2 has joined #haiku[05:06:24] * JonathanThompson notes JamesB192 has gone off his meds again :)[05:09:55] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[05:10:48] <JamesB192> I'm not taking any meds for my paranoia, and there are no meds for silliness.][05:18:15] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[05:24:25] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[05:29:32] * JamesB192 sings (off key), 'You see me now the pimp of a dozen psycho whores. They chopped upmy body and stuffed it in the door.' (#1 Eileen Wournos) ick.[05:32:43] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[05:50:11] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[05:50:37] *** rcjsuen_ is now known as rcjsuen[06:18:44] * JamesB192 continues, 'Well the stench is really strong here, and few abide the pong. They're neglecting my cut, as the have for so long.'[06:19:00] * DeadYak sprays JamesB192 with Febreeze[06:20:15] <etteyafed_away> How do i debug a driver in kdbg?[06:20:30] <DeadYak> what aspect of it are you trying to debug?[06:20:31] * JamesB192 is no longer malodorus.[06:20:37] <etteyafed_away> I can't even figure out what thread it might be in.[06:21:11] <DeadYak> etteyafed_away: did you panic or jump into the kdb voluntarily?[06:21:54] <etteyafed_away> Well I think I have ruled out my SMP issues. The problem seems to go awey if I enable failsafe video. I jumped, not panic.[06:22:22] <etteyafed_away> I wish there were better debig symbols in the kernel code.[06:22:33] <etteyafed_away> debug*[06:24:13] <DeadYak> I think there's a DEBUG flag you can pass to the build sys to tell it to build with symbols and such[06:24:30] <etteyafed_away> I am trying to find out why my display freezes when it needs to (i think) draw offscreen. This only happend if i am using the regular driver for the nvidia geforce go 7400[06:24:39] <DeadYak> but if you just randomly jumped into the kdb there's no guarantee that driver's code is executing in any thread at all[06:25:02] <DeadYak> unless it explicitly keeps one open like most eth drivers do[06:25:16] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[06:26:28] *** slaad has quit IRC[06:26:35] <etteyafed_away> I looked at the DEBUG flag in UserBuildConfig, but I didn't really understand exactly how it was to be used.[06:26:47] <DeadYak> DEBUG=1 jam will do it I believe[06:27:21] <etteyafed_away> Ok. The example in the config file is far more detailed.[06:27:50] <etteyafed_away> DEBUG=1 is more what I was looking for ;)[06:28:02] <JamesB192> I think he's trying to debug the Nvidia driver, which I think would be operative in (at least?) one thread.[06:28:50] <etteyafed_away> Well I would assume that it would be, but you know what they say about assuming.[06:29:26] <DeadYak> if anything you'd likely be looking in userspace then, bear in mind in BeOS display drivers are split into a kernel and userspace component[06:29:36] <DeadYak> most of what the kernel component does is just set up the memory mapped registers and init the card[06:29:44] <DeadYak> the userspace accelerant does all the real work[06:30:07] <JamesB192> I am moderately hindered by the wrong amount of knowledge. Too much for the simple explanation to sit well, and not enough for a technical one.[06:31:18] <etteyafed_away> Yeah, I am pretty clueless when it comes to actually solving my problem here. I can poke around but not knowing where to look, or exactly what I am looking for is a severe limitation.[06:31:50] *** etteyafed_away is now known as etteyafed[06:31:51] <DeadYak> etteyafed_away: you could try emailing Rudolf, he wrote that driver[06:33:28] <etteyafed> I may end up doing that. My goal in persuing this a bit further is to get some kind of information on whats actually happening to produce the problem and then pass it on to those that might be able to solve the problem.[06:35:28] <etteyafed> Being a developer myself (albeit on the higher level stuff) I know how much fun it is when someone comes to you and says "Yeah, there is something wromg with your program." and not much else.[06:43:15] *** slaad has joined #haiku[06:45:57] <etteyafed> My builds are failing with DEBUG=1 jam. It seems there is more required after all.[06:48:49] *** Stargater has quit IRC[07:43:00] *** magnetron has joined #haiku[07:51:32] *** pyCube has quit IRC[07:51:33] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[07:56:22] *** Maurice1 has joined #haiku[08:03:10] *** mode2 has quit IRC[08:14:19] * JonathanThompson laughs weirdly into the channel[08:17:19] * geist kicks sand in JonathanThompson's face[08:17:28] * JonathanThompson eats sand for the roughage[08:17:32] <JonathanThompson> Thank you, geist.[08:18:12] <JonathanThompson> In a bit of time, I'll have some pearls for you :P[08:18:57] * JonathanThompson wonders how many women would still want pearls if they had explained to them that they're an oyster's version of a kidney stone or a gallstone[08:19:20] <pyCube_> roughageage[08:20:06] <JonathanThompson> I know I've cerfainly had large enough kidney stones to put into a necklace.[08:21:32] * JonathanThompson wonders how many women that belong to PETA wear pearls....[08:26:41] *** Stamrogh has joined #haiku[08:34:22] *** katisu has joined #haiku[08:34:36] * JonathanThompson hands a Black Sheep to katisu[08:41:06] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[08:51:01] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[08:51:01] *** katisu is now known as [Katisu][09:00:52] *** SDragon has joined #haiku[09:00:53] *** SDr has quit IRC[09:06:39] *** SDr has joined #haiku[09:07:05] *** SDragon has quit IRC[09:09:15] *** SDragon has joined #haiku[09:27:24] *** SDr has quit IRC[09:30:35] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:34:03] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:34:51] *** Stamrogh has quit IRC[09:41:55] *** Stamrogh has joined #haiku[09:52:18] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[09:52:20] *** pyCube__ has joined #haiku[10:03:31] *** pyCube__ has quit IRC[10:10:15] *** rdmr has quit IRC[10:11:58] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[10:12:23] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:17:12] *** agony__ has joined #haiku[10:18:25] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[10:26:47] *** agony_ has quit IRC[10:28:31] *** M_199 has joined #haiku[10:40:05] *** BePower has joined #haiku[10:41:36] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[10:45:21] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[10:46:17] *** Master199 has quit IRC[10:47:27] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[10:50:54] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[10:50:57] <Stargater> hi[10:53:45] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[11:00:33] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[11:09:44] *** BePower has quit IRC[11:12:21] *** kokito has quit IRC[11:24:41] *** frodobeg25 has quit IRC[11:29:06] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[11:36:57] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:37:22] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:58:38] *** BePower has joined #haiku[11:59:47] <dr_evil> SATA ATAPI just device arrived :)[12:01:16] <slaad> Yay! I think?[12:02:41] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[12:03:09] * JonathanThompson lobs a Yay! at slaad[12:03:58] <slaad> Yay![12:05:54] <tic> moo![12:06:25] <slaad> tic![12:06:30] * JonathanThompson applies flea collar to slaad to kill off the extra tic[12:06:33] <tic> :-)[12:06:40] <slaad> Eee.[12:06:46] <tic> anyone here good at screen?[12:06:58] <JonathanThompson> The screensaver module?[12:07:09] <tic> I want to do "screen -r session -X command", but -X doesn't seem possible on a /detached/ screen.[12:07:16] <tic> no. :-)[12:07:30] <JonathanThompson> You need to be more exact about context :P[12:07:41] <tic> yeah, shouldn't've asked to ask.[12:07:48] <slaad> Do I go out? Or do I instead have some freshly ground coffee with amaretto and dessert?[12:07:55] <tic> nifty[12:07:57] <slaad> (And code)[12:07:59] <tic> (both)[12:08:35] <JonathanThompson> Well, considering this is the #Haiku channel, and Screen exists within Haiiku, BeOS and Zeta...[12:08:36] <JonathanThompson> :)[12:08:41] <slaad> I can't code whilst out.[12:08:51] <tic> yeah, but then I'd say Screen and not screen ;)[12:08:52] <JonathanThompson> That's what laptops are for, slaad :P[12:08:53] *** Haicube has joined #haiku[12:09:24] <JonathanThompson> Well, I'd remind you that your nickname isn't capitalized, either, so that isn't wise to assume, tic :)[12:09:25] <slaad> I get enough flak for playing DS in pubs with The Wife, JonathanThompson. I'd hate to see the reaction if I pulled out a laptop to code.[12:09:48] <JonathanThompson> Screw the reactions, who cares? I bet you'd look normal around my area :P[12:10:24] <slaad> I can't say I'm terribly concerned with them; Anyhow, I don't have a laptop.[12:10:37] <JonathanThompson> Sounds like a personal problem to me, slaad :)[12:11:10] <tic> slaad, what games?[12:11:21] <slaad> We've been playing a lot of Tetris DS against each other.[12:11:26] <slaad> Bust-a-Move, too.[12:11:41] <tic> Ah, haven't played bust-a-move.[12:11:56] <slaad> Single player I've been playing Megaman ZX, Castlevania Portrait of Ruin and now the new Zelda.[12:12:05] * JonathanThompson wonders when someone will figure out how to create a game for married couples to play, something along the lines of "Bump'n'Grind" that brings them.... closer through gaming ^_^[12:12:06] <slaad> Bust-a-Move is the US name. It's usually known as Puzzle Bobble.[12:12:07] <tic> yeah, pondering getting PH.[12:12:21] <slaad> From the small bit I've played; It's good.[12:12:36] <slaad> I've heard that it's not spectacular... just good. But worth it for the control scheme.[12:12:56] <tic> I'm playing Trauma Center, Daigasso! and Elite Beat Agents. But I've reached a plateu(?) on each of them.[12:13:11] <JonathanThompson> plataeu[12:13:12] <slaad> Ah, yes, Trauma Center... I can't get past the 3 or 4th operation :([12:13:20] <tic> oh.[12:13:23] <tic> I'm at chapter 3 or something.[12:13:29] <slaad> Daigasso? What's that?[12:13:40] <tic> music game, jp only. hold.[12:13:43] <slaad> Ah.[12:13:54] <slaad> t[12:13:59] <tic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daigasso!_Band_Brothers[12:14:27] <tic> http://www.emunova.net/img/tests/1792.jpg[12:14:29] <tic> sooo funny[12:14:37] <tic> but then I'm a sucker for rhythm/music games.[12:15:04] <slaad> Interesting.[12:15:19] <slaad> I often play with the sound turned off, so they don't tend to work too well for me :P[12:15:24] <tic> heh[12:15:35] <tic> I'm off to play some InTheGroove soon, but I'm sick so I shouldn't. =)[12:16:03] <JonathanThompson> What does being sick have to do with being able to play the game? :)[12:16:41] <tic> JonathanThompson, this -> http://youtube.com/watch?v=cZU1oO56nkw[12:16:57] * JonathanThompson hopes this doesn't require Flash[12:16:58] <tic> (note: not me in picture)[12:17:00] <tic> it does :/[12:17:07] <tic> well, ITG is a dancing game.[12:17:13] <JonathanThompson> Oh, bother.... I'm in BeOS using SeaMonkey right now.[12:17:24] <MangoFusion> no gnash or swfdec port yet?[12:17:37] <JonathanThompson> Not that I'm aware of, in a manner that works.[12:18:09] <JonathanThompson> Well, tic, most people that are sick, are usually (I'm thinking) well enough to be able to dance...[12:18:40] <JonathanThompson> Though about 24 hours ago, that would have been a bit too much of a challenge for me, as I was finishing up 48 hours of random attacks of vertigo :P[12:18:57] <tic> JonathanThompson, not In The Groove. Heard of DanceDanceRevolution?[12:19:07] <JonathanThompson> Yes, I've seen it in malls.[12:20:32] <JonathanThompson> As long as they didn't play that and not do other things they should be doing with their time, if I had kids, I'd have no problem getting them that game.[12:20:54] <JonathanThompson> It's rare for any kind of computer game to actually help people not be couch potatoes :)[12:21:02] *** Stargater has quit IRC[12:21:23] <tic> :-)[12:21:44] <JonathanThompson> I'm suspecting you aren't in the US, either you or slaad, correct?[12:22:11] <slaad> Correct.[12:22:12] <slaad> .au[12:22:18] <tic> Oh, thank you! (I take that as a compliment on my language skills. :)[12:22:27] * tic <- b0rk b0rk[12:22:42] * JonathanThompson lobs tic some swedish meatballs in response[12:23:04] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[12:23:05] <tic> :-)[12:23:08] <JonathanThompson> You want to know what may be the biggest giveaway that you're not from the US online, other than the time of day? :)[12:23:22] <tic> uh, hostname?[12:23:27] <slaad> We use punctuation?[12:23:27] * JonathanThompson doesn't bother with that[12:23:29] * slaad grins[12:23:30] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[12:23:54] <JonathanThompson> Too exact of english usage for spelling, grammar, and perhaps punctuation :P[12:24:07] <JonathanThompson> (Perhaps you've noticed by now how few are precise in what they type)[12:24:18] <slaad> Yes, long ago.[12:24:21] <tic> _too_ exact? Hah! :)[12:24:24] <slaad> I'm right anal about English.[12:24:31] <JonathanThompson> I tend to be, too.[12:24:31] <tic> I'm just plain anal.[12:24:44] <slaad> Well, yes, you're a nerd, tic. Of course you are :)[12:24:55] <tic> slaad, nerd & i'm teh proud[12:24:59] * slaad also[12:25:09] * JonathanThompson notes proctologists would like slaad and tic as patients[12:25:28] <tic> JonathanThompson, but really, is it that easy to tell that someone's not from the US?[12:25:41] <JonathanThompson> Well, that's not an absolute.[12:26:02] <JonathanThompson> However, there's also the fact that everyone has a writing style, and rarely do native speakers have as tight of one.[12:26:05] <slaad> I always considered poor punctuation to be a mark of age. Or intelligence...[12:26:17] <JonathanThompson> Or laziness...[12:26:24] <JonathanThompson> Or education...[12:26:33] <slaad> 'tis true. As an Australian English is not my native language :P[12:26:48] <JonathanThompson> It's not my native language, either: I speak/write American :P[12:27:18] <slaad> I find it's more rudeness than laziness. "Feh. I can't be bothered to put a 'y' and 'o' near my 'u'. The other person can decipher what I mean"[12:27:22] <JonathanThompson> There are enough differences that those who know what they are may pick up on those not from the US, and do so fairly quickly.[12:27:55] <JonathanThompson> I just happen to be one of the few these days that reads enough to catch on to such subtle differences.[12:28:25] <slaad> Yeah, I get what you mean.[12:28:35] <JonathanThompson> But, back to the original topic :)[12:28:35] <slaad> I'm rather a fan of my manner of speech. Not many others are though.[12:29:08] <JonathanThompson> Over a period of time (especially after I got out of high school) there started a wave of people saying, "Oh, our property taxes are TOO MUCH and we need to cut stuff from schools!"[12:29:25] <JonathanThompson> So what did they cut first? Recess and gym/physical education classes.[12:29:39] <JonathanThompson> They also often got rid of all music classes.[12:29:44] <tic> sucks :/[12:29:48] <slaad> Feh! Arts schmarts.[12:29:52] <slaad> Science. That'll fix everything.[12:29:59] <tic> Science - It works, bitches![12:30:02] * slaad grins[12:30:03] <JonathanThompson> So, guess where most parents are spending money? On Ritalin, and doctor's bills for overweight kids.[12:30:04] <slaad> Was just about to quote that.[12:30:24] <slaad> I don't own that shirt as it's green. But I do have the "Stand back! I'm going to try science!" shirt.[12:30:37] <Ketsuban> I spent most of my PE classes getting out of doing PE.[12:30:37] <tic> cool![12:30:43] <JonathanThompson> What I believe is also a problem is a lot of people don't seem to realize that physical education while young is at least as important as anything else, long-term.[12:30:58] <Ketsuban> I hated PE because of their patently ridiculous circular logic, and vague bullshit claims of getting stronger.[12:31:01] <JonathanThompson> At least it helped you work on your problem solving skills, Ketsuban :P[12:31:30] <tic> o/~ oh, it's a crazy world we're livin' in // and I just can't see that half us immersed in sin o/~[12:31:32] <slaad> I also have the "Maybe if this shirt is witty enough...", "/Everybody stand back/" and "Sudo, make me a sandwhich" shirts.[12:31:41] <tic> slaad, fanboy![12:31:47] <tic> (not that I'd mind having them.)[12:31:54] <tic> craptastic taxes, though :/[12:32:02] <JonathanThompson> Someone at work has a "Got root?" t-shirt :)[12:32:26] <Ketsuban> My best example of the sudo thing was when someone was trying to get me to do something for them.[12:32:31] <tic> changing topics, is the latest _aired_ Stargate: Atlantis (04x02) up yet?[12:32:48] <Ketsuban> <Them> Do this for me. <Me> Do it yourself. <Them> Sudo do this for me. <Me> Password please. <Them> ...[12:32:57] <JonathanThompson> I watched it a number of hours ago as it was broadcast in the Eastern Time Zone in the US.[12:33:07] *** meisje has joined #haiku[12:33:18] <JonathanThompson> (No, I didn't make a copy of it)[12:33:34] <tic> Didn't expect you to :-) Just wondering when it'll show up on tPB[12:34:21] <JonathanThompson> I've personally not bought a DVD-R at all, and have only bought DVD-RW's for recording with, and I use them the same way as I used VHS cassette tapes.[12:35:06] <JonathanThompson> The biggest practical differences are that it's more random-access, quicker to erase, and also seems thus far like it'll take a new recording without the quality degrading, many more times.[12:35:16] <JonathanThompson> Oh, and they're cheaper to buy :P[12:35:58] <tic> win-win![12:36:42] <JonathanThompson> And really, if I'm not mistaken about the details, DVD-RW's are more durable than a DVD-R.[12:36:55] <tic> Oh? Interesting.[12:37:05] <tic> They do have another data layer (crystals, kind-of), so maybe.[12:37:29] <JonathanThompson> A DVD-RW (or DVD+RW) uses phase change, while DVD+/-R's use a die that can easily be scratched off.[12:38:12] <tic> Mhm.[12:38:20] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps one of these days when I've got too much time on my hands and nothing better to do, I'll test my theory by torturing some discs :P[12:39:12] <tic> I've heard 1000 times.[12:39:16] * JonathanThompson remembers over a decade ago being assigned the task, "See how you can damage a CD in such a way that it can be used for copy protection" at a subsidiary of Sony[12:39:18] <slaad> In my experience DVD-/+ RW die much sooner than that.[12:39:36] <JonathanThompson> Depends on the media you buy, I'm sure.[12:39:43] <JonathanThompson> That, and how they're treated.[12:39:50] <slaad> True.[12:40:01] <slaad> I'd still be surprised if you get more than 100 records out of one.[12:40:04] <JonathanThompson> I'm sure in practice, for all but the crappiest media, it will out-last VHS tapes.[12:40:08] <slaad> And, like everything of mine, they're treated well.[12:40:40] * JonathanThompson should go back to bed[12:40:51] <tic> Yup.[12:40:59] <slaad> I should make that there coffee I was talking about.[12:41:08] <JonathanThompson> It's around 3:30 a.m. for me.[12:41:15] <slaad> Coffee for the win, JonathanThompson ;)[12:41:16] <tic> OKay, I should go getting some groceries & resist going to the arcade place :-)[12:41:20] <JonathanThompson> I'm not sure of the exact time, due to BeOS clock drift :P[12:41:21] <tic> coffee for great justice![12:41:28] <JonathanThompson> I don't drink coffee :P[12:41:32][12:41:34] <tic> ;), even.[12:42:18] <JonathanThompson> If I did, I have two of the biggest local pushers, one with a drive-thru outside my apartment window, and around on another side of my apartment building, a non-drive-thru version of Starbucks.[12:42:37] <JonathanThompson> But, even so, they aren't open this early :P[12:42:40] <tic> ... or maybe make (*gasp*) your own?[12:42:47] <slaad> Coffee machine: Turned on.[12:42:49] <JonathanThompson> Again, I don't drink it, at all.[12:42:51] <tic> but doesn't US coffee suck? Very watery.[12:43:00] <tic> I drink milk with some coffee in it. =)[12:43:05] * JonathanThompson doesn't have a clue as to whether it sucks or not[12:43:24] <slaad> You know what country has horrible coffee ? Italy.[12:43:35] <tic> Unexpected. How come?[12:43:35] <JonathanThompson> Yet one more reason to avoid there :P[12:43:48] <JonathanThompson> Unexpected that I don't drink coffee?[12:43:55] <slaad> I only found one place that made a good macchiato. And they don't do flat whites >.<[12:44:16] <slaad> Not sure, tic. It just tastes... bad.[12:44:22] <tic> Hm.[12:44:25] <slaad> I think they have an aversion to using African beans.[12:44:32] <slaad> And they also don't seem terribly fond of steamed milk.[12:44:40] <tic> boiled milk, maybe? *shiver*[12:44:50] <tic> JonathanThompson, unexpected about bad .it coffee.[12:44:59] <tic> OK, time to do as the tree and leave! Ciao[12:45:05] * slaad pets tic[12:45:06] <tic> (like?)[12:45:06] <JonathanThompson> Not root yourself? :)[12:45:13] <tic> No, I'm firmly stuck as it is.[12:45:49] * JonathanThompson thinks all trees sold should come equipped with a root kit[12:46:10] * slaad fires JonathanThompson.[12:46:24] * JonathanThompson explodes in slaad's face[12:46:49] <slaad> Oh noes.[12:47:10] *** genkie has joined #haiku[12:47:47] <Stamrogh> always the homoerotic vibes in here[12:48:06] <JonathanThompson> That one was your interpretation, Stamrogh, I didn't provide one :P[12:51:28] * Ketsuban wonders why there's no quizzes along the lines of "What Kernel Module is most like you?".[12:52:20] * JonathanThompson reflects Ketsuban's question back at him[12:55:36] * Ketsuban doesn't know because he hasn't taken the quiz because it doesn't exist. :p[12:56:03] <JonathanThompson> You just created it, and I copied it back at you :P[12:58:06] *** Haicube has quit IRC[13:03:29] *** Kobaltas has joined #haiku[13:08:06] *** JDifool has joined #haiku[13:08:21] <JDifool> hi[13:08:54] <JDifool> anybody knows where to find the latest version of the hey application by Attila Mazei[13:09:18] <JDifool> BeBits link is dead end the version in BeShare is very old[13:10:02] *** Kobaltas has left #haiku[13:10:05] <JDifool> can you help me please?[13:10:39] <JonathanThompson> I've never used or downloaded hey, JDifool.[13:10:46] <JonathanThompson> I can't help except by saying, I don't know.[13:10:56] <JDifool> thanks...[13:11:38] <JonathanThompson> Have you tried (I think) haikuware, or is it haikubits? I know one of those had intended on hosting everything on their own site, and perhaps they have a copy of it.[13:11:39] <JDifool> i was just reading S. Hacker's tutorial on scripting the BeOS and would very much like to try it...[13:12:05] *** meisje has quit IRC[13:12:14] <dr_evil> JDifool we have the source here: http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/haiku/haiku/trunk/src/bin/hey.cpp?rev=18936&view=log[13:12:54] <Ketsuban> hey JonathanThompson B_ABOUT[13:13:01] <JDifool> thanks dr_evil, the only problem is I am no developer I wouldn't be able to compile it...[13:13:27] * JonathanThompson responds, "A slightly insane developer, known for hanging out in #Haiku"[13:13:43] <JDifool> dr_evil could you possibly do that for me, please? (or anybody else...)[13:14:50] <dr_evil> g++ -lbe hey.cpp[13:15:11] <dr_evil> can't do this right now, sorry[13:15:15] <Ketsuban> An LBE is what Intel call an MBE. ;)[13:17:46] <JDifool> can anybody please compile "hey" for me?[13:18:21] <Ketsuban> Um, dr_evil just told you how to do it yourself.[13:18:26] <CIA-5> axeld * r22455 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)[13:18:26] <CIA-5> * Mapping a page might actually need memory - since we usually have locks that[13:18:26] <CIA-5> interfere with the page thief, we always need to have reserved a page for[13:18:26] <CIA-5> this upfront. I introduced a function to the vm_translation_map layer that[13:18:26] <CIA-5> estimates how much pages a mapping might need at maximum. All functions that[13:18:26] <CIA-5> map a page now call this and reserve the needed pages upfront.[13:18:30] <CIA-5> It might not be a nice solution, but it works.[13:18:41] *** agony__ has quit IRC[13:20:29] <JonathanThompson> What was just checked in sounds suspiciously like what can happen in BeOS for memory allocation in the VM between more than one thread...[13:20:54] <JonathanThompson> Though not exactly the same.[13:20:57] <JDifool> Ketsuban I don't have any compiler or development tool installed, if somebody would do that for me would spare me the time to look for devtools, install them, get them to work, and tryy to compile it... you see, i am no developer.... :([13:22:36] <JonathanThompson> What's the most recent version of hey that you have, JDifool?[13:23:19] <JDifool> from 1998, the latest on Bebits is from 2001... but the link is dead[13:23:57] <JonathanThompson> I have a build from the Haiku source from August of last year.[13:24:10] <JonathanThompson> (I didn't know it was in the Haiku source tree)[13:24:27] <JDifool> wow, that'd be great[13:25:03] <JonathanThompson> If you prefix something you type in here with a - it won't be logged: what's your email address?[13:25:29] <JDifool> how can i prefix it?[13:30:15] <JonathanThompson> It's on its way.[13:30:36] <JonathanThompson> (I hope it doesn't require any libs outside of itself that you don't already have :( )[13:32:37] <JDifool> thank you very much JonathanThompson I'll go try it right away :)[13:32:51] <JonathanThompson> If it shows version 1.2.8 that's what I see.[13:33:05] <JonathanThompson> (Though I'm not certain if it's getting it from the local directory first: let me verify)([13:33:10] *** oco has joined #haiku[13:33:43] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, I made the local path explicit: that's what you should see at the command line without parameters, with a huge usage screen :)[13:33:47] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[13:33:57] * JonathanThompson lobs a hey at Begasus in greetings[13:34:31] <Begasus> hidiho JonathanThompson ;)[13:34:35] <Begasus> 'lo peeps[13:35:16] * JonathanThompson thinks there should be a companion commandline app to "hey" called "ho"[13:35:29] <JDifool> JonathanThompson It works! Great, many thanks!![13:35:33] <JonathanThompson> yw[13:35:38] <JDifool> I agree :)[13:35:53] * JonathanThompson sits back and enumerates the thanks carefully[13:36:02] <JDifool> Now i'll go play with it[13:36:07] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[13:36:16] <JDifool> have a nice weekend you guys[13:36:27] *** JDifool has quit IRC[13:36:28] <JonathanThompson> Say hey to everyone you see :P[13:36:35] <JonathanThompson> Oh well, he's gone (for the moment)[13:37:48] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[13:38:06] <CIA-5> axeld * r22456 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/vm_page.cpp: The page thief can now also steal active pages under pressure.[13:38:14] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[13:38:26] *** BePower has quit IRC[13:38:41] <MangoFusion> page thief? yikes! ;)[13:39:07] *** JDifool has joined #haiku[13:39:13] <JonathanThompson> Sometimes a little evil is required to accomplish the greater good, MangoFusion :P[13:42:09] *** M_199 has quit IRC[13:42:18] <JonathanThompson> What I read that latest change to translate to is that once swapping is enabled, Haiku will be able to run with tight phyiscal RAM requirements, but with heavy swapping, when things get tight, instead of curling up its toes and dying a horrible death while still not being out of virtual memory :)[13:42:29] <JDifool> atrus catsup[13:42:36] *** JDifool has left #haiku[13:46:12] * JonathanThompson notes there's no atrus in #haiku, and wonders if someone just visiting typed into the wrong application's window[13:57:27] *** stargater has joined #haiku[14:02:32] *** BePower has joined #haiku[14:05:52] *** frankps has joined #haiku[14:09:22] <MrSunshine> what exactly does the page thief do ?[14:11:29] *** Euver has joined #haiku[14:15:36] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[14:21:28] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[14:25:22] *** BePower has quit IRC[14:28:37] *** Atomozero has quit IRC[14:32:11] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[14:35:50] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[14:36:11] *** fyysik has quit IRC[14:41:31] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[14:52:26] *** BePower has joined #haiku[15:01:37] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[15:02:03] *** frankps has quit IRC[15:02:12] *** wildur has quit IRC[15:02:15] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[15:09:21] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[15:10:00] *** Euver has quit IRC[15:11:16] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[15:13:37] *** BePower has quit IRC[15:14:13] <CIA-5> axeld * r22457 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/heap.c:[15:14:13] <CIA-5> Applied Fran?\195?\167ois' patch to be able to free large allocations. Even though the[15:14:13] <CIA-5> heap is going away soon, it doesn't hurt to have it in the repository.[15:22:59] *** frodobeg25 has joined #haiku[15:24:49] *** Begasus has quit IRC[15:28:51] *** jspiros has quit IRC[15:34:28] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[15:44:30] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[15:45:24] <CIA-5> korli * r22458 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/ (15 files in 2 dirs):[15:45:24] <CIA-5> added ice1712 driver on behalf of J?\195?\169r?\195?\180me Leveque. Thanks![15:45:24] <CIA-5> Current status : playback only.[15:45:24] <CIA-5> Support for M-Audio Delta 1010, Delta 1010 LT, Delta DIO 2496, Delta 66, Delta 44, Audiophile 2496 and Delta 410 VX 442.[15:45:25] <CIA-5> Tested on M-Audio Audiophile2496.[15:51:51] *** BePower has joined #haiku[15:53:05] *** acidx has joined #haiku[15:55:58] <stargater> DeadYak: around ?[16:04:21] <CIA-5> korli * r22459 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/ice1712/ice1712.c: clean up[16:07:19] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[16:11:41] <CIA-5> korli * r22460 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/ (audio/hda/driver.h random/driver.c): switch from COMPILE_FOR_R5 to HAIKU_TARGET_PLATFORM_HAIKU[16:17:33] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[16:42:06] *** slaad has quit IRC[16:43:19] *** korli has joined #haiku[16:43:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[16:46:02] *** meisje has joined #haiku[16:51:35] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[17:01:19] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[17:04:18] *** oco has quit IRC[17:04:28] *** stargater has quit IRC[17:09:01] <korli> anyone with a M-Audio card here ?[17:11:54] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[17:13:27] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[17:17:06] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[17:20:13] <korli> hi dr_evil[17:20:59] <korli> I tested ahci and it boots ok (though no Tracker nor Deskbar)[17:25:10] *** Hodapp_ has joined #haiku[17:26:40] <dr_evil> hi korli[17:26:56] <dr_evil> that tracker / deskbar problem might be because they crash during boot[17:27:53] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[17:29:15] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:30:04] <dr_evil> korli that one, but it appears to be fixed http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1509[17:30:09] <dr_evil> need to leave, sorry[17:30:12] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[17:31:21] *** Hodapp has quit IRC[17:31:35] *** Player1 has joined #haiku[17:31:40] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[17:32:34] <Player1> !seen Sikosis[17:32:39] <Player1> :/[17:33:17] <CIA-5> axeld * r22461 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs):[17:33:17] <CIA-5> * struct vnode is an opaque type now, removed void* where it was used incorrectly.[17:33:17] <CIA-5> * Minor cleanup.[17:35:40] <CIA-5> axeld * r22462 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs):[17:35:40] <CIA-5> * Added a acquire_unreferenced_ref() to vm_store[17:35:40] <CIA-5> * his has to be used by the page writer to make sure the vnode is still valid.[17:35:40] <CIA-5> * This should have been the final nail on the Luposian bug - I haven't tested[17:35:41] <CIA-5> it yet, but we'll certainly see :-)[17:39:53] *** MikeW has quit IRC[17:40:48] *** Hodapp_ is now known as Hodapp[17:49:25] *** korli has quit IRC[17:49:33] <umccullough> Player1,... try this[17:49:38] <umccullough> .seen Sikosis[17:49:43] <BuildFactory> umccullough: I last saw sikosis at 2007-10-06 02:34:52 UTC on #faltercon[17:50:15] <umccullough> .t utc[17:50:21] <BuildFactory> 2007-10-06T15:49:49Z[17:52:13] *** kokito has joined #haiku[17:52:35] <DeadYak> the summit is today, no?[17:55:08] <umccullough> the summit is today, yes[17:55:26] <umccullough> we're gathering tomorrow, however[17:55:43] <DeadYak> oh[17:55:57] <umccullough> only mentors are invited to the summit I would guess :([17:57:18] <kokito> hi DeadYak & umccullough[17:57:26] <kokito> DeadYak, the summit is today, yes[17:58:13] *** SprMa has quit IRC[18:01:20] <umccullough> hi kokito ;)[18:01:21] <umccullough> :)[18:04:57] <kokito> axel says: "This should have been the final nail on the Luposian bug - I haven't tested it yet, but we'll certainly see :-)"[18:05:11] <kokito> this is a day to celebrate! :)[18:06:01] <kokito> btw, this was a quote from here: http://cia.vc/stats/project/OpenBeOS/.message/657c1c[18:09:42] <Thom_Holwerda_> 768mb to 1.5gb, and you dont notice a damn thing in either vista or ubuntu[18:10:47] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[18:11:51] <umccullough> lol[18:11:54] <umccullough> kokito, i see it above![18:11:58] <umccullough> [08:35] <CIA-5> axeld * r22462 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs):[18:11:58] <umccullough> [08:35] <CIA-5> * Added a acquire_unreferenced_ref() to vm_store[18:11:58] <umccullough> [08:35] <CIA-5> * his has to be used by the page writer to make sure the vnode is still valid.[18:11:58] <umccullough> [08:35] <CIA-5> * This should have been the final nail on the Luposian bug - I haven't tested[18:11:59] <umccullough> [08:35] <CIA-5> it yet, but we'll certainly see :-)[18:12:13] <umccullough> funny...[18:12:19] <umccullough> we should send a note to luposian[18:13:59] <kokito> Thom_Holwerda_ should post an article on osnews titled "Haiku fixes Luposian bug" :P[18:14:07] <Thom_Holwerda_> heh[18:14:40] <Thom_Holwerda_> but seriously now, is that what we've come to with computing? double your RAM and Firefox still takes 6 seconds to load??[18:14:43] <Thom_Holwerda_> just dont make sense.[18:14:55] <DeadYak> doubling RAM won't have any direct effect on disk speed[18:15:15] <Thom_Holwerda_> DeadYak: yeah but still, i should notice at least AN effect[18:15:19] <DeadYak> why?[18:15:21] <Thom_Holwerda_> marion jones did doping?? wtf[18:15:37] <DeadYak> only if you were previously hitting swap like crazy[18:16:20] <umccullough> i'm sending luposian an email, btw[18:16:32] <Thom_Holwerda_> good point - i doubled my RAM because im diving into semi-professional photography, and wanted to be prepared for when i load up Photoshop for the first time[18:16:37] <DeadYak> umccullough: no don't, he'll find a new bug to go crazy a bout[18:16:39] <DeadYak> about*[18:16:40] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[18:17:01] <DeadYak> Thom_Holwerda_: it *might* affect it for things like Vista Superfetch[18:17:04] <umccullough> DeadYak, i must! i gave him so much shit about it, it's my moral oblgation :D[18:17:21] <kokito> Thom_Holwerda_, you will probably notice a in what with less RAM would have been low memory situations[18:17:23] <DeadYak> Thom_Holwerda_: otherwise it'd only affect subsequent loads where Firefox could hypothetically be cached already from a previous load[18:18:02] <Thom_Holwerda_> yeah but still, im used to the days where doubling your ram (32mb to 64mb anyone?) would make the world of difference[18:18:03] <umccullough> Thom_Holwerda_, use the extra ram to create a ramdisk and put firefox in it ;)[18:18:16] <DeadYak> Thom_Holwerda_: that would fall squarely into low memory territory :P[18:18:32] <umccullough> Thom_Holwerda_, doubling ram only makes a difference if you're having major swapfile issues[18:18:37] <kokito> increasing from 512MB to 1GB on my XP machine made a noticeable difference when working with BIG files (and I mean really big, ie. 300MB) in Photoshop[18:18:52] <umccullough> kokito, sure, because it didn't have to swap as much :)[18:19:09] <umccullough> more ram == more cache space for large amounts of data[18:19:18] <kokito> right umccullough[18:19:56] <umccullough> when i run SQLServer on my workstation at work, SQLServer will cache every bit of data it can until the physical memory is depleted[18:20:05] <umccullough> but when i start launching apps, it starts giving up some of the cache as needed[18:20:33] <umccullough> it's really noticeable on the 20gb database i've been working with lately :/[18:21:04] <DeadYak> on another note, I feel like a complete nerd now: my way of testing how well the audio driver worked in Haiku was playing 5038.mp3 off my R5 Pro CD[18:21:31] <umccullough> DeadYak, mmu_man first played virtual(void).mp3 to test OSS...[18:21:41] <DeadYak> umccullough: he would :)[18:21:44] <umccullough> heh[18:21:59] <kokito> DeadYak, which audio driver was that?[18:22:17] <DeadYak> depends which plug I put my speakers on, I've got an SBLive and the on-board AC97 chip[18:22:27] <DeadYak> in this case SBLive[18:22:28] <DeadYak> aka emuxki[18:22:29] <umccullough> hopefully teh SBLive works...[18:22:33] <umccullough> just fine :D[18:22:34] <DeadYak> and yes it did[18:22:43] <DeadYak> both are detected though[18:23:20] <kokito> that meas that it is possible to use multiple sound boards in the same system, right?[18:24:25] <kokito> ok, saturday morning reading time. bbl[18:29:23] *** {V} has joined #haiku[18:32:28] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[18:33:19] *** BePower has quit IRC[18:33:45] *** NeoOokami has quit IRC[18:37:46] <Player1> thom, firefox loads in 2 seconds here[18:37:55] <Player1> pretty much instant[18:38:54] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[18:40:37] <Hodapp> 2 seconds? Instant? pffffffffffffffffffft[18:42:25] <umccullough> give it up, there are very logical reasons why firefox takes so long to load... it's not worth bashing it here in the channel :P[18:42:34] <Hodapp> opera ftw[18:43:03] <umccullough> if opera ever goes OSS, i'm all over it ;)[18:43:12] <Player1> I think it might[18:48:07] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[18:48:20] <umccullough> what is a safe HD temp? i just noticed the 500gb SATA disk in my new machine is reporting 44C[18:48:22] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[18:49:14] <umccullough> guess i better alter the cooling strategy a bit :/[18:49:33] <Hodapp> my hard disk is ~ 35 C right now[18:49:38] <Hodapp> but my entire box runs quite cool[18:49:47] <Hodapp> I don't think 44 C is too bad[18:49:49] <umccullough> yeah, that's what the drive in this machine reports, but it's an older 80gb...[18:49:57] <umccullough> actually, 31C on this drive[18:50:03] <Hodapp> this is 200 GB SATA inside of a Cooldrive enclosure[18:50:06] <umccullough> but it has a 120mm fan right next to it also[18:50:33] <umccullough> i'm going to plug up the vents at the bottom of the case sides to get more airflow from the front of the case[18:50:37] <umccullough> see if that helps[18:53:13] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[18:55:02] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:58:08] *** agony__ has joined #haiku[19:00:14] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[19:02:22] *** Ingenu_ has joined #Haiku[19:08:37] *** Ingenu_ has quit IRC[19:15:07] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[19:21:20] *** santos2 has joined #haiku[19:22:26] <umccullough> well, looks like the HD temp dropped a degree anyway :P[19:22:35] *** agony__ has quit IRC[19:23:32] <umccullough> of course, i also increased the rear case fan speed slightly[19:26:15] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[19:27:33] *** stargater has joined #haiku[19:27:37] <stargater> hi[19:28:06] *** SDr has joined #haiku[19:28:14] <stargater> JonathanThompson: around ?[19:28:23] *** SDragon has quit IRC[19:30:13] *** SDragon has joined #haiku[19:31:53] <etteyafed> Anyone had any trouble with haiku on a Geforce Go chip?[19:32:06] <etteyafed> card*[19:32:11] <etteyafed> w/ever[19:34:48] *** stargater has quit IRC[19:37:12] *** jspiros has joined #haiku[19:37:38] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[19:37:39] <Stargater> re[19:38:05] <etteyafed> back ![19:47:57] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[19:48:51] *** SDr has quit IRC[19:49:04] *** SDr has joined #haiku[19:50:48] *** SDragon has quit IRC[19:51:21] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[19:51:41] *** SDragon has joined #haiku[19:52:25] <JamesB192> Hmm, I remember seeing a couple things. Slashdot reported that someone is going to release a highly parallel PCIe flash drive. There was also a report from google that HDD temp didn't adversely affect MTBF.[19:57:08] *** BePower has joined #haiku[19:59:13] *** rdmr has quit IRC[20:00:31] *** frankps has joined #haiku[20:03:06] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[20:03:23] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:07:36] *** zit has joined #haiku[20:07:45] <zit> Hey people?[20:08:38] <etteyafed> _hey_[20:08:48] <etteyafed> or *hay*[20:08:49] <zit> Any chance you might help me with an odd issue with Be?[20:08:54] <zit> heh[20:09:07] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[20:09:18] <etteyafed> i am sure there is someone here that help[20:09:27] <zit> First question! :P BeOS R5 PE, is refusing to acknowledge the existence of either my keyboard or mouse once the kernel comes active.[20:09:29] <etteyafed> if not then nothing lost[20:09:43] <zit> caps/num/scroll lock lights wont change, mouse wont move.[20:09:52] <etteyafed> you have a kvm?[20:10:00] <zit> it all works in the bootloader menu, but as soon as It seems to go to kernel town, it all stops.[20:10:01] <zit> No, I dont.[20:10:08] *** SDr has quit IRC[20:10:09] <zit> Straight PS/2 connection to the machine.[20:10:21] <umccullough> ok, i'm sick of having the intel_extreme not work on any of my intel chipsets :([20:10:30] * umccullough starts git'ing the linux source[20:10:39] <zit> Me too umcculloug![20:10:45] *** Haicube has joined #haiku[20:11:07] <umccullough> hi Haicube![20:11:14] <Haicube> lo umccullough[20:11:52] <etteyafed> I have never heard of such a problem w/ps2. maybe someone else has[20:12:28] <etteyafed> i mean if your hw works fine then i dont see what the problem would be[20:13:17] <zit> Ive found some people with the issue online, but no resolutions.[20:13:21] <JamesB192> I think I've seen the symptoms before, but it usually indicates a system lockup.[20:13:24] <zit> all hardware works fine in Windows and Linux[20:13:24] <etteyafed> however my kvm won't work with beos but it works with all other os that i have[20:14:10] <etteyafed> my kvm wont work but a regular kbd does just fine. smae symptoms[20:14:26] <Stargater> umccullough we can i set a attribut in beapi?[20:14:39] <umccullough> Stargater, i have no clue :)[20:14:42] <umccullough> ask DeadYak[20:14:45] <Stargater> ok[20:14:55] <Stargater> DeadYak here ?[20:14:59] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[20:15:08] <etteyafed> sorry zit. do you have another kbd and mouse to try?[20:15:13] <umccullough> zit, you need to get a full serial debug output and create a trac ticket[20:15:18] <DeadYak> BFile::WriteAttr[20:15:25] <DeadYak> I should say BNode::WriteAttr[20:15:34] <etteyafed> umccullough: I think the issue is mainly in R5[20:15:35] <DeadYak> but BFile = BNode subclass so...[20:15:40] <umccullough> etteyafed, oh, i missed that[20:15:45] <umccullough> is it an IBM keyboard?[20:15:47] <Stargater> ah ok thx DeadYak[20:15:48] <zit> Ive tried different mic eand keyboards.[20:15:55] <DeadYak> np.[20:16:29] <DeadYak> Stargater: http://www.beunited.org/bebook/The%20Storage%20Kit/Node.html#WriteAttr()[20:16:53] <kokito> zit, try to boot in safe mode[20:17:09] <Stargater> yes i have bebook local here and now i found it[20:17:23] <zit> :( have done so :([20:17:50] <etteyafed> Anyone had any trouble with haiku on a Geforce Go chip in regular video mode?[20:18:25] <umccullough> etteyafed, define "trouble"[20:18:32] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[20:18:37] <kokito> zit, what hardware is this and what version of BeOS are you using ?[20:18:45] <etteyafed> I have a ticket out for it, i was just wondering if it is just my comp or if there were others w/the same issue[20:18:46] <umccullough> i could not use haiku on my geforce 6100 last i tried - got a black screen[20:18:47] <zit> BeOS R5 PE[20:18:53] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[20:19:00] <zit> Athlon64 3.2Ghz, 768MiB DDR400MHZ Ram.[20:19:10] <umccullough> zit, you patched the kernel?[20:19:12] <zit> Gigabyte KVM800ML motherboard[20:19:15] <zit> yes, kernel patched.[20:19:16] <umccullough> you must have...[20:19:24] <zit> 120Gib HDD[20:19:39] <umccullough> that's a lot of new hardware to make R5 run on ;)[20:19:42] <etteyafed> umccullough: it works, just freezes on redraw. works on failsafe video.[20:20:00] <umccullough> etteyafed, failsafe being VESA i guess[20:20:09] <zit> :)[20:20:10] <etteyafed> i would think so yes[20:20:14] <kokito> zit, you say you have no keyboard and mouse, but does the OS actually boot?[20:20:17] <CIA-5> korli * r22463 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/ppc/arch_vm.cpp: fix ppc kernel build[20:20:27] <zit> funny thign is, Ber5pe boots on my ICH powered Celeron M Laptop, just.. the videocard isnt recognized nor sound ...[20:20:36] <zit> yes, os boots.[20:21:20] <zit> It even decides to tell me that my videocard isnt recognized and suchlike.[20:21:23] <kokito> sounds like your input_server is not running[20:22:01] <umccullough> ooh, a ppc patch![20:22:08] <Stargater> DeadYak i misunderstand the = off_t offset, const void *buffer, size_t length[20:22:20] <zit> Any ideas on how I can fix that Kokito?[20:22:24] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:22:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[20:22:30] <umccullough> hi mmu_man[20:22:54] <mmu_man> plop[20:23:06] <umccullough> question for anyone who knows: how do you make ubuntu recognize a USB webcam?[20:23:08] <kokito> I don't have any ideas; but if anybody has, they would probably need serial debug output[20:23:23] <kokito> umccullough, you just plug it in? :)[20:23:30] <umccullough> kokito, that's what i was afraid of :([20:23:37] * Hodapp glares angrily at people who constantly confuse "philosophy" with "bullshit I make up and then cover in confusing phrases and abstract meaningless ideas that fundamentally come down to me not wanting to admit that I know nothing about philosophy"[20:23:41] <kokito> brb[20:23:44] <umccullough> this creative webcam doesn't appear to work[20:24:10] <DeadYak> umccullough: dmesg show anything on the USB?[20:24:21] <umccullough> DeadYak, let me try...and also lsusb[20:24:43] *** santos2 has quit IRC[20:24:52] <JamesB192> umccullough: you probably wnat to find a v4l driver for your webcams chip...[20:25:03] *** genkie has quit IRC[20:26:00] <JamesB192> after that you need a userland app that can pull the stream from v4l. Finding the driver might be tough though.[20:26:52] * JamesB192 had a webcam temporarily working, then I upgraded. 8-([20:27:52] *** alpha-li1n has joined #haiku[20:27:59] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[20:30:12] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[20:30:20] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:31:37] <JamesB192> Philosophy isn't bull and assguard statements??[20:32:48] *** etteyafed is now known as etteyafed_away[20:34:14] <Hodapp> JamesB192: if you read some actual philosophy books - you find it's actually a lot of down-to-earth stuff. It covers ethics and politics as well, for instance.[20:34:34] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[20:34:46] *** Mike2K has joined #haiku[20:34:49] *** MikeW has quit IRC[20:35:17] * JamesB192 read 'Plato and a platypus walk into a bar', and didn't understand any of it.[20:37:45] *** Haicube has quit IRC[20:40:32] *** Mike2K is now known as MikeW[20:40:35] <CIA-5> korli * r22464 /haiku/trunk/src/system/boot/platform/openfirmware/debug.c: dprintf_no_syslog is needed for openfirmware platform[20:40:46] *** alpha-lion has quit IRC[20:41:38] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[20:46:02] *** Euver has joined #haiku[20:50:35] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[20:52:32] *** Ingenu_ has joined #Haiku[20:53:38] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[20:53:59] *** Player1 has quit IRC[20:55:39] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[20:58:20] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[20:59:35] <kokito> umccullough, I believe there is a (Codycam style) webcam capture app in Ubuntu. you could install and use that to see if the webcam is detected[21:00:14] <mmu_man> damn, it seems fernch haev marked...[21:00:23] <DeadYak> mmu_man: pardon?[21:00:25] <mmu_man> (some screaming from the bar downstairs :-()[21:00:32] <mmu_man> DeadYak rugby[21:00:34] <DeadYak> oh.[21:00:46] <mmu_man> beark, I won't be able to sleep again...[21:00:53] <oco> mmu_man : the match is not started yet ;-)[21:01:10] <mmu_man> ah ok[21:01:17] <oco> now it is...[21:01:22] <mmu_man> so it's just drunk ppl[21:01:34] <oco> it was the haka[21:01:38] <oco> maybe[21:02:00] <mmu_man> ah maybe[21:02:11] *** mmadia has quit IRC[21:02:27] <kokito> umccullough, it's called "camorama"[21:03:05] <JamesB192> I think my route is probably the simplest. Would you mind pasting the appropriate line(s) from the kernel log and lsusb output?[21:06:01] <JamesB192> or which creative webcam...[21:06:15] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[21:06:34] *** Ingenu_ has quit IRC[21:07:16] <Stargater> bbl[21:12:38] *** rdmr has quit IRC[21:13:26] <umccullough> kokito, i saw that...i'll try it[21:13:34] * JamesB192 wonders a little if umccullough is already busy building the software...[21:13:44] <umccullough> actually, busy working on my house ;)[21:14:07] *** MikeW has quit IRC[21:14:14] <umccullough> the camera is Creative model VF0230[21:14:15] * JamesB192 can help carry sheetrock.[21:14:34] <umccullough> sheetrock is up :D[21:14:36] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[21:14:51] <umccullough> need to clean the sheetrock mud off the subfloor, and then paint the walls/ceiling[21:15:04] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[21:17:03] <umccullough> right now my ubuntu box is downloading OS updates anyway[21:17:04] <umccullough> 71mb[21:17:13] <umccullough> so, i'll go back to my house work ;)[21:26:44] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[21:29:20] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[21:32:55] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[21:37:15] *** zit has quit IRC[21:39:46] <JamesB192> Hmm, looks like if you run prerelease Ubuntu you get a test pattern.[21:46:21] <Thom_Holwerda_> http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2007/10/raptor-join-fun.html[21:46:34] <Thom_Holwerda_> now THATs the kind of thinking we need for r1+1[21:46:48] <Thom_Holwerda_> people trying new and different things[21:46:52] <Thom_Holwerda_> very appluadable.[21:46:58] <Thom_Holwerda_> if that's a word.[21:48:52] <MYOB> it is[21:49:53] <MYOB> Thom_Holwerda_ an bhfuil tu ag diul an gaelidge hAlba? :P[21:50:05] <MYOB> (thats probably not constructed right...)[21:51:32] *** Mike2K has joined #haiku[21:52:20] *** insomnia_ has joined #Haiku[21:52:28] *** MikeW has quit IRC[21:53:05] *** flyinghippo|AWAY has joined #haiku[21:53:34] <JamesB192> umccullough: why not hack on links it's moderately faster than opera on my system when using the -g flag and open source. 8-)[21:55:11] *** _WindowsUninstal has joined #haiku[21:55:15] *** cmang has quit IRC[21:55:17] *** cmang has joined #haiku[21:55:26] *** Mike2K is now known as MikeW[21:55:32] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[21:55:44] *** DocBB has quit IRC[21:55:55] *** DocBB has joined #haiku[22:01:10] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[22:01:42] <MYOB> ten minutes later I find my driving licence...[22:03:08] *** MYOB has quit IRC[22:03:15] *** meisje has quit IRC[22:05:52] *** frankps has quit IRC[22:07:47] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[22:11:01] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[22:14:23] <umccullough> hi fyysik :)[22:16:04] <fyysik> hi umccullough![22:17:59] *** JonathanThompson has joined #Haiku[22:19:37] *** fyysik has quit IRC[22:23:01] *** flyinghippo|AWAY has quit IRC[22:23:13] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[22:23:52] * JonathanThompson gives a much belated reply to Stargater, doing his best Lurch impersonation, "You rang?"[22:41:01] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[22:44:35] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:47:06] <oco> mmu_man : this time it is finished ![22:47:22] <mmu_man> I suppose we have won[22:47:34] <oco> YES ![22:47:41] *** JDarkness has joined #haiku[22:47:42] <oco> we are very lucky ![22:47:47] <mmu_man> hearing the screaming and loud noise[22:48:05] <mmu_man> damn I won't be able to sleep :-(((([22:48:18] <oco> you'l have to code ![22:48:31] <oco> a good think for haiku ![22:48:35] <oco> a good thing for haiku ![22:49:26] <PulkoMandy> :q[22:51:15] <mmu_man> yeah I'm porting something to my ORIC[22:51:46] *** Euver has quit IRC[22:51:49] <oco> :)[22:51:56] <PulkoMandy> :)[22:52:16] * PulkoMandy is trying to get his Amiga 2000 in a working state[22:55:03] *** MikeW has quit IRC[23:02:42] *** kokito has quit IRC[23:07:00] *** _WindowsUninstal is now known as WindowsUninstal[23:07:12] *** WindowsUninstal is now known as WindowsUninstall[23:10:56] *** lorglas has quit IRC[23:12:27] <oco> ARTE is doing rugby ![23:14:16] <Ingenu> night[23:14:29] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:20:03] <mmu_man> OMG, not them![23:20:14] * DeadYak pets mmu_man[23:20:35] <oco> OMG ?[23:21:53] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:23:01] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[23:26:18] *** kokito has joined #haiku[23:26:57] * kokito tested the Luposian bug, and it seems to still be there[23:27:50] <Stamrogh> :/[23:31:15] <MrSunshine> luposian bug .. that sounds exotic :)[23:31:32] <AnEvilYak> MrSunshine: I take it you don't follow the OSNews forums much?[23:31:44] <MrSunshine> nop[23:32:13] <AnEvilYak> MrSunshine: Luposian is the name of someone on that forum that's loudly complained about this bug for over a year :P[23:32:23] <AnEvilYak> MrSunshine: because he thinks it's the one and only bug that stops him from using Haiku full time[23:33:26] <kokito> AnEvilYak: I tried to copy about 1GB of files from a Zeta partition to the Haiku partition, and memory load increases until Haiku becomes unresponsive.[23:33:48] <AnEvilYak> kokito: that's somewhat different than it used to be :)[23:33:59] <kokito> how?[23:34:00] <AnEvilYak> kokito: before it would just reboot iirc[23:34:16] <AnEvilYak> once mem was full that is[23:34:53] <mmadia> is this it? http://www.osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=16580&comment_id=186157[23:35:38] *** SDr has joined #haiku[23:36:17] <kokito> going from a crash to a freeze is not what I would consider a bug to be fixed, but I guess it is a matter of interpretation[23:36:24] <AnEvilYak> kokito: I didn't say fixed[23:36:29] <AnEvilYak> kokito: I said different[23:36:49] <kokito> not you, axel :)[23:37:06] <AnEvilYak> kokito: technically his commit also only said "should be"[23:37:15] <AnEvilYak> :)[23:37:29] <kokito> fair enough :)[23:37:43] <AnEvilYak> let's see..[23:37:48] <AnEvilYak> 750MB mem used and counting...[23:38:02] <kokito> AnEvilYak, would this be the way to test the bug?[23:38:13] <AnEvilYak> now I'm curious[23:38:14] <AnEvilYak> kokito: yes[23:39:48] <kokito> lunch[23:40:43] <Ketsuban> I'm intrigued by this Luposian bug. What is it?[23:41:00] <AnEvilYak> being unable to copy a file larger than available RAM without crashing[23:41:30] <Ketsuban> Ah.[23:42:27] <JamesB192> I think it also affects dd. I vaugely remember running into a problem w/ dd.[23:42:47] <AnEvilYak> JamesB192: same principle :)[23:42:57] <AnEvilYak> disk I/O in general[23:44:09] *** Maurice1 is now known as MauriceK[23:45:32] <JamesB192> I thought the Luposian bug was a vauge criticism of how a particular input device was handled.[23:46:23] <JamesB192> 'the mouse drags the system to a standstill.' or something likle that.[23:50:12] *** magnetron has quit IRC[23:51:14] <Stamrogh> JamesB192: that was the second Luposian bug[23:52:09] *** mmadia has quit IRC[23:52:33] *** SDragon has quit IRC[23:56:00] <JamesB192> Heh, he also commented on the fact that his router isn't a good DNS server. 'I plugged in my ISPs DNS server numbers into my Macs network config and the problems vanished.' *after* it was reported as a *bugfix*.[23:56:33] *** alpha-li1n is now known as alpha-lion