October 4, 2007 
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October 4, 2007 [00:04:26] *** dos66 has joined #haiku[00:04:28] *** oco has quit IRC[00:04:33] *** tombhad has joined #haiku[00:07:10] *** wildur_ has quit IRC[00:10:14] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22427 /haiku/trunk/src/system/boot/loader/file_systems/tarfs/Jamfile: Define _BOOT_MODE.[00:10:15] *** master199 has joined #haiku[00:11:16] *** magnetron has quit IRC[00:12:34] *** Thom_r5 has quit IRC[00:14:31] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[00:14:57] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22428 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[00:14:57] <CIA-5> Added function dprintf_no_syslog(). It is basically equivalent to[00:14:57] <CIA-5> dprintf() with the exception that it doesn't write anything to the[00:14:57] <CIA-5> syslog. The reason is that syslog_write() releases a semaphore and can[00:14:57] <CIA-5> therefore not be invoked when the thread spinlock is held.[00:17:53] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:19:46] *** tombhad-AC has quit IRC[00:20:33] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22429 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/team.cpp:[00:20:33] <CIA-5> Move the job control entries of a dying team's children to the kernel[00:20:33] <CIA-5> team as well. Otherwise the children would later try to remove them from[00:20:33] <CIA-5> a list they weren't in.[00:22:23] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22430 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/kernel/util/DoublyLinkedList.h: Some KDEBUG enabled sanity checks.[00:22:51] *** hnjk has quit IRC[00:23:20] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[00:28:09] *** Euver has quit IRC[00:29:15] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[00:29:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[00:40:38] *** dos66 has quit IRC[00:42:07] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:42:50] *** master199 has quit IRC[00:53:22] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22431 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/interface/layout/LayoutTest1.cpp:[00:53:22] <CIA-5> The toggledView variable was assigned twice. The last assignment should[00:53:22] <CIA-5> win. Interestingly with gcc 4 and optimizations enabled the same value[00:53:22] <CIA-5> was passed twice to Add().[00:58:33] *** hnjk has joined #haiku[01:06:22] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[01:09:54] *** rhu has quit IRC[01:11:12] *** rhu has joined #haiku[01:16:50] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[01:24:36] *** hnjk has quit IRC[01:28:39] *** JamesB192 has quit IRC[01:30:17] *** rhu has quit IRC[01:33:05] *** rhu has joined #haiku[01:33:31] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[01:43:44] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[01:49:14] * wasosa is away: Going $HOME[01:58:53] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[01:59:41] * wasosa is back (gone 00:10:27)[01:59:44] * wasosa is away: going $HOME[01:59:59] * wasosa is back (gone 00:00:15)[02:00:00] * wasosa is away: going home[02:00:16] * wasosa is away: really going home[02:01:39] *** wasosa has left #haiku[02:22:39] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[02:22:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[02:24:00] *** umccullough_work has joined #haiku[02:32:06] *** _Lucretia has joined #haiku[02:32:47] *** Purposeless has joined #haiku[02:34:11] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[02:38:19] *** JamesB192 has joined #haiku[02:38:49] <umccullough_work> Darknesss, nice to see a release :)[02:39:34] <Darknesss> thanks :)[02:41:18] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[02:44:24] <kad77> how long has that project been in progress?[02:50:41] *** eric_j has quit IRC[02:51:39] <Sikosis> skyfs/bfs browser ?[02:53:25] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[02:55:26] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[02:56:04] *** eric_j has joined #haiku[02:57:39] *** tombhad has quit IRC[02:57:55] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[03:00:48] *** Purposeless has quit IRC[03:37:57] <Darknesss> Sikosis, check osnews ;)[03:38:23] <Darknesss> kad77, I've been working on it for some time, not sure how long actually[03:38:39] <Sikosis> Darknesss: if I must :P[03:38:42] <umccullough_work> well, at least since before your first blog post about it :D[03:39:07] <umccullough_work> so, over 4 months[03:39:07] <Darknesss> I was getting the first results in april 2007[03:39:17] <umccullough_work> 6 then[03:40:04] <Darknesss> Sikosis: or here: http://www.skyos.org/?q=node/622[03:41:45] <umccullough_work> well, i'm heading home - later all[03:41:57] *** umccullough_work has quit IRC[03:49:19] <kad77> Darkness: well, good on you for getting it this far. Even if it is a while off before a device driver emerges, a file transfer client is enough for most of us. :D[03:49:58] <Darknesss> yeah, now you can recover some data when an installation suddenly fails to boot :)[03:50:52] <Sikosis> Darknesss: k ... yeh i mentioned it on the haikupodcast a couple of eps ago ...[03:51:06] <Sikosis> ill have a play when i get back from lunhc[03:51:09] <Sikosis> lunch[03:51:09] <Darknesss> I should sync the code I used from haiku with the latest revision though, I have not been updating that[03:51:29] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[03:51:33] <Darknesss> I suggest not using it for too large files :)[03:52:18] <Darknesss> due to a memory leak somewhere, memory equal to the filesize remains allocated....[03:52:29] <kad77> ouch[03:52:31] <kad77> :)[03:52:35] <Darknesss> I should do some more hunting to locate the problem :p[03:53:08] <Darknesss> so if you try to copy a 600MB file, the application starts taking 600+MB memory[03:53:10] <kad77> It'll get there I'm sure. What are the ajor hurdles to write access?[03:53:41] <Darknesss> ehm, right now I guess the implementation of write_pos :)[03:54:01] <Darknesss> and some functions that I didn't copy an implementation for[03:54:12] <geist> it's not a leak, it's just an unimplemented routine[03:54:28] <kad77> or a large buffer[03:54:30] <Darknesss> geist, what do you mean?[03:54:55] <DeadYak> geist: in his win32 BFS driver?[03:54:58] <Darknesss> I copy the file in parts of 4k and that mem gets released afterwards[03:55:05] <Darknesss> it's not a driver...[03:55:08] <DeadYak> oh[03:55:17] <geist> oh never mind. was thinking you were talking about haiku[03:55:22] <Darknesss> just a gui app using haiku driver code :)[03:55:36] <DeadYak> geist: and afaik page_thief deals with that now from what I hear from Axel[03:55:39] <kad77> I was kidding aboutthe large buffer. I shoul have said 'infinite' buffer. ;)[03:55:48] <JamesB192> I rhink he means that as soon as you implement the appropriate free()s the leak will go away.[03:55:59] <Darknesss> yeah :)[03:56:35] <kad77> Darkness: I would think the reactos crew would be able to lend some help/code with the driver part[03:57:14] <Darknesss> I found some ext2 drivers sources that can inspire me as well :)[03:57:46] <kad77> better than forging your own wheels from raw materials.[03:57:57] <Darknesss> I just didn't take the time yet to look into it much since I prefer the code to be working first before I go mess with drivers that can crash windows[03:58:51] <kad77> sure. I wonder if this would help with being able to boot into SkyFS/BFS OS from windows[03:59:07] <kad77> liek BE used to do, and i think debian now can[04:00:32] <Darknesss> hmm, don't know how that works so no comment :p[04:01:39] <kad77> It would just be a part of the puzzle, perhaps. I think the linux way is to create the parition as a NTFS file. BeOS jumped strait to a real partition[04:02:20] <Darknesss> I basicly open a partition as if it were a file...[04:02:23] <DeadYak> kad77: that boot into partition from windows trick only worked from win9x[04:02:31] <DeadYak> can't do it from NT[04:02:38] <Darknesss> :)[04:02:47] <kad77> DeadYak: oh, I only ever used it on MacOS, so I didn't know[04:02:57] <DeadYak> kad77: now you do :)[04:03:21] <kad77> :D would be a cool trick, if at all possible[04:12:09] * JonathanThompson briefly checks into the channel, which is swaying all over the place[04:14:54] * JamesB192 vaugely remembers seeing a similar feature on an old MandrakeLinux installl.[04:17:55] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: still sick?[04:18:37] <JonathanThompson> If it follows the pattern of past experience, it's likely a bacterial thing, and I'll be suffering from vertigo for at least 2 more days.[04:19:27] <JonathanThompson> And for those that have not experienced non-emotionally induced vertgio, no visual representation can translate what it feels like.[04:21:24] <kad77> an inner ear infection could cause that (vertigo sensation)[04:22:01] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, well, I'm prone to such types of things, including respiratory tract infections, which can also go up into that area.[04:22:53] <JonathanThompson> What doesn't help is I've already got a degenerative inner ear problem.[04:23:42] <kad77> :/ my aunt has something like that[04:28:26] * JonathanThompson goes back on the couch with less of a whirl (hopefully)[04:32:33] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[04:36:10] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[04:40:17] <Sikosis> Darknesss: is your app for local partitions ?[04:40:49] <Darknesss> ehm, for partitions that are on disks in the same computer yes :)[04:41:45] <Sikosis> k ... just checking[04:42:16] <Darknesss> anything that I can access in windows with \Device\HardDisk1\Partition3 like things[04:44:40] *** rcjsuen__ has joined #haiku[04:46:06] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[04:54:58] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[04:59:35] *** JamesB192 has quit IRC[05:02:47] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[05:04:17] *** umccullough_ubu has joined #haiku[05:06:21] <umccullough_ubu> heh, this machine compiles FAST[05:06:40] <umccullough_ubu> missing some packages still...[05:07:55] <Sikosis> new box ?[05:08:06] <umccullough> my C2D E6750[05:08:18] <umccullough> bbiab[05:25:44] *** eric_j has quit IRC[05:26:04] *** eric_j has joined #haiku[05:28:32] <umccullough_ubu> completely haiku image build in 8 minutes[05:28:37] <umccullough_ubu> complete*[05:28:40] <umccullough_ubu> that's fast :)[05:28:57] <umccullough_ubu> probably faster if i use the -j jam switch[05:33:58] *** stargater has quit IRC[05:34:57] <pyCube> umccullough_ubu: you get your gfx card issue figured out?[05:38:34] <umccullough_ubu> pyCube: no, but it doesn't matter[05:38:48] <umccullough_ubu> after i test Haiku on this machine, it's gonna be reinstalled with XP anyway[05:39:11] <umccullough_ubu> probably on a smaller HD even[05:42:20] <umccullough_ubu> if I had decided to use this for my mythTV machine, that would be a different story[05:43:08] <pyCube> you see this, http://linuxmce.com/ ?[05:44:08] <umccullough_ubu> is it better than mythtv?[05:45:19] <pyCube> i dunno.. i thought it was based on it.. maybe not[05:45:33] <pyCube> the demo video makes it look interesting enough[05:47:43] <umccullough_ubu> when i get situated with the right hardware, i'll take a look at it[05:47:54] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[05:47:59] <umccullough_ubu> so far, i only have a case and capture card :P[05:48:20] <umccullough_ubu> at least, that's what i'm left with after the mobo debacle[05:49:19] *** Purposeless has joined #haiku[05:51:04] *** rcjsuen__ has quit IRC[05:58:46] *** Purposeless has quit IRC[06:04:38] <etteyafed> If I knew what Ubuntu did to get gcc 2.95.4 to build on a 64 bit machine that would be a head start.[06:04:47] <etteyafed> Maybe I will hit the list.[06:13:33] *** ablyss has quit IRC[06:18:57] <umccullough_ubu> oh bummer - you can't use gparted to shrink the root partition?[06:19:23] <umccullough_ubu> guess i'll have to boot to a livecd for that?[06:19:39] <pyCube> probably[06:20:31] <umccullough_ubu> wonder if i already have a disk here somewhere...[06:20:34] <umccullough_ubu> disc[06:20:54] *** umccullough_ubu has quit IRC[06:21:46] <umccullough> first i gotta install a DVD-rom drive :P[06:22:08] <pyCube> usually makes booting from a cd/dvd easier[06:24:10] *** Simpleguy has joined #haiku[06:24:29] *** MauriceK has left #haiku[06:31:20] <umccullough> what's a good *small* cd image i can use to resize ext3?[06:31:53] <umccullough> or, would the fiesty install CD work?[06:33:38] <umccullough> ah yes...it has gparted[06:36:20] <etteyafed> Anyone tried the latest haiku build yet? For the latest svn revision I mean?[06:36:29] <etteyafed> .*[06:36:40] <umccullough> i will be shortly...[06:38:11] <etteyafed> Let me know if you get a vm_page_fault in kernel space at boot.[06:39:04] <umccullough> i hope not :([06:39:14] <umccullough> i'm making room for a partition atm[06:40:12] <etteyafed> I think it is happening in the page allocator, as at the time it happend the free_pages list isn't generated yet. (or "not finished" means that the feature is not yet implemented.)[06:41:07] <umccullough> it's not the same as one of the many recently reported crashes?[06:41:30] <umccullough> oh, and you're not using gcc4 right?[06:41:39] <etteyafed> Well even if something is broken I am sure it will be fixed shortly. No this is different from what I have seen recently.[06:42:03] <etteyafed> No I built it from linux on a 32bit VM[06:42:19] <etteyafed> the only way i could get it yo work.[06:42:20] <umccullough> reproducible every boot?[06:42:26] <etteyafed> yep.[06:42:49] <umccullough> i could test on my PIII 600, but i have that port on my KVM hooked up to my new machine here atm[06:43:03] <etteyafed> tried turning off ht and it makes it worse. the system wont even boot then.[06:43:33] <umccullough> it's a P4?[06:43:43] <etteyafed> C2D M[06:43:44] *** Simpleguy has quit IRC[06:43:54] <umccullough> can you disable the dual-core also?[06:43:59] *** eNGIMa has joined #haiku[06:44:02] * eNGIMa tips his hat[06:44:05] <umccullough> hi eNGIMa![06:44:09] <etteyafed> not that i could see[06:44:18] *** Simpleguy has joined #haiku[06:44:21] <eNGIMa> umccullough, afternoon! been a while (again)![06:44:24] <umccullough> i think there are definitely some SMP-related issues lately[06:44:47] <umccullough> etteyafed, well i'm likely to run into the same problem with this e6750[06:45:08] <etteyafed> i just disabled DMA for ide and it is booting[06:45:15] <umccullough> interesting[06:45:52] <etteyafed> locked up after i tried to move a window though.[06:46:07] <umccullough> that sounds like the recent issues[06:46:12] <umccullough> can you hit f12 to KDL?[06:46:38] <umccullough> seems to be some problems with app_server/tracker lately[06:46:50] <etteyafed> yeah got it. maybe i will poke around the stack to see if i have a bad lock or something[06:47:00] <umccullough> teams, threads, sem[06:47:09] <umccullough> and thread[06:49:20] <eNGIMa> anyone got word on the status of the build system under amd64?[06:49:30] <eNGIMa> amd64 linux sorry[06:52:59] <umccullough> eNGIMa, works if you use gcc4[06:53:14] <etteyafed> are you running in 64 bit mode?[06:53:19] <umccullough> no[06:53:25] <umccullough> oh... eNGIMa probably is[06:53:34] <etteyafed> sorry umccullough[06:54:38] <etteyafed> well umccullough, it looks like the appserver is now living in an address space that the terminal had claimed. and now the terminal team "does not exist"[06:55:21] <etteyafed> no wait that is the tracker the is in the appserver[06:55:44] <etteyafed> and the terminal is gone also. prob with the appserver[06:56:12] <umccullough> how do you change a partition type?[06:56:16] <umccullough> i want it to be 'eb'[06:56:21] <etteyafed> with gparted?[06:57:21] <Sikosis> umccullough: i remember u said that once before ... and i had no idea whatu were talking about ;)[06:57:45] <umccullough> actually, looks like fdisk will do[06:58:04] <etteyafed> with gparted i am not sure but if you do fdisk /dev/*d* then press t the part number then type eb and then press w you will be all set[06:58:06] <umccullough> Sikosis, in the partition table, there's a 2-byte code that specifies what type the partition is[06:58:18] <umccullough> eb = BeOS[06:58:27] <umccullough> BFS specifically[06:58:48] <umccullough> setting the partition type is *not* the same as formatting a partition to a specific filesystem[06:58:49] <eNGIMa> umccullough, interesting. thanks, maybe i botched it previously. pure 64 bit here. will investigate more thoroughly after foraging[06:58:52] <etteyafed> fdisk or cfdisk or parted[06:59:09] <umccullough> eNGIMa, there's a --use-32bit option now when you ./configure[06:59:25] <umccullough> supposedly that does something when building something...and that's all i know :P[06:59:36] <etteyafed> eNGIMa: That is not needed though if you use gcc4 i don't think.[06:59:45] <eNGIMa> umccullough, heh heh heh, thanks. so many new bits to investigate :)[06:59:51] <etteyafed> it adds -m32 to the gcc args[07:00:58] <etteyafed> it makes gcc generate 32bit code, but since you are running the tools that you build on a 64bit machine it won't matter[07:01:32] <etteyafed> the code from the haiku cross tools are for i586 allways[07:01:45] <etteyafed> so nomatter what they are 32bit anyway[07:01:48] <eNGIMa> last time i tried there was something funky going on with xres and 64bitness[07:02:05] <etteyafed> xres?[07:02:21] <eNGIMa> resource utility, used in build system. IIRC[07:02:33] <umccullough> right, those are the tools built with the host compiler for the host platform[07:02:45] <umccullough> xres, rc, makebootable, etc.[07:03:17] <umccullough> so, *those* are probably the non-64-bit-clean bits[07:03:36] <etteyafed> i had no trouble building until the make install part of the process. then it wouldn't install properly.[07:03:38] <umccullough> especially since several of them require a host-compiled libbe.so and libroot.so[07:03:51] <umccullough> etteyafed, that sounds like cross-tool complilation issues[07:03:54] <Sikosis> umccullough: well i just followed those instructions making the partition eb ... i still get that "PANIC: can't find any boot partitions"[07:03:57] <umccullough> that's way before xres gets built ;)[07:04:03] <etteyafed> umccullough: It absolutly is[07:04:26] <umccullough> etteyafed, xres, rc, makebootable all get built when you "jam haiku-image" for the first time[07:04:34] <umccullough> and they're built using the host compiler, not the cross-compiler[07:04:47] <umccullough> they also will have problems building on a 64bit platform[07:04:54] <etteyafed> Ok now i am on your page[07:05:20] <eNGIMa> umccullough, yeah, seems to be the case. still working out the fine details of the build system to investigate a fix/hack[07:05:25] <umccullough> ok, haiku is built to a partition now[07:05:30] * umccullough needs to reboot[07:06:15] <umccullough> oh, forgot to update grub[07:06:28] <umccullough> Sikosis, i dunno...[07:06:37] <etteyafed> I still haven't tried to build everything including the cross tools with gcc-2.95.4[07:07:25] <Sikosis> umccullough: yeh same ... its weird ... considering the other machine I have (p4 1.6) boots into haiku ... but this p4 3.0 at work did once ... and doesnt now[07:08:04] <Sikosis> it builds the raw and vmware images with no problem[07:09:24] <umccullough> Sikosis, sounds like some kinda weird partition issue[07:09:30] <umccullough> Sikosis, you ran makebootable on it just to be sure?[07:09:52] <Sikosis> using that command to get it to run, yeh i tried that once[07:11:47] <umccullough> oh shit[07:11:56] <umccullough> i just toasted my partition table, but i'm still running[07:12:05] <umccullough> how do i recreate it from the version the kernel is using still?[07:12:57] <eNGIMa> :|[07:13:20] <etteyafed> I will see if you even can[07:13:39] <umccullough> it must be possible[07:13:47] <umccullough> considering the proper partition table is still in the kernel memory[07:15:44] <etteyafed> Ok i found it.[07:17:17] *** zeeke has quit IRC[07:17:51] <umccullough> cat /proc/partitions gives[07:17:56] <umccullough> the info[07:18:51] <umccullough> yeah, i think i can rebuild from this[07:18:52] <etteyafed> use hdparam /dev/partition to dump the specs and[07:18:55] <umccullough> right[07:19:07] <etteyafed> then fdisk to plug the right numbers in.[07:19:09] <umccullough> i probably found the same HOWTO ;)[07:19:17] <etteyafed> likely[07:19:28] <etteyafed> indiana.edu?[07:19:53] <etteyafed> http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9907.1/0453.html[07:20:11] <etteyafed> looks pretty good[07:25:40] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:27:09] <Begasus> morning peeps[07:27:30] <etteyafed> Morning Begasus[07:28:18] <etteyafed> I wish i could turn off a core[07:28:37] <etteyafed> and run without smp for the moment[07:29:21] <etteyafed> not like my dual pII that i can just take the other cpu out[07:29:55] <Begasus> bugger .. I knew I forgot something ....[07:30:08] <etteyafed> bugger indeed[07:30:09] <Begasus> trying to boot the Haiku image yesterday ;)[07:30:22] <etteyafed> and >[07:31:07] <Begasus> that's what I forgot ;)[07:31:34] <etteyafed> oh. just to do it? do you run smp with it?[07:31:39] <Begasus> hmm is there any info on how to dd the image to a partition ...[07:31:48] <Begasus> centrino duo on this laptop[07:32:05] <Begasus> the pc is a P4[07:32:18] <etteyafed> I have had no luck with that. I needed to install to the drive directly in every case.[07:32:55] <etteyafed> have you tried on the C2D yet?[07:33:09] <Begasus> C2D?[07:33:11] <etteyafed> Mine works but the appserver keeps crashing[07:33:21] <etteyafed> the Core Duo[07:33:27] <Begasus> ah[07:33:31] <etteyafed> or core 2 duo if that is what it is[07:33:48] <Begasus> it hangs just when switching from bootscreen to Desktop[07:33:51] *** Simpleguy has quit IRC[07:33:54] *** BePower has joined #haiku[07:34:59] <Begasus> morning BePower[07:35:44] <Begasus> so .. updating the image ....[07:40:31] *** BePower has quit IRC[07:42:02] <umccullough> ok, so rebuilding a partition table sucks :P[07:42:10] <umccullough> but it worked[07:42:46] <Begasus> nice going umccullough[07:43:07] <umccullough> oh.. i must have gotten it wrong by a block[07:43:20] <umccullough> it's bitching about the size being too small[07:43:39] <Sikosis> so size does matter :P[07:43:56] <Begasus> hehe[07:43:59] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[07:44:55] * Begasus pets AnEvilYak[07:44:58] * AnEvilYak pets Begasus[07:45:04] <Begasus> ;)[07:45:34] <Begasus> ps .. you can use ghost command in IRC to kick the other idle nick out ;)[07:45:49] <umccullough> AnEvilYak probably means he's in Haiku right now ;)[07:45:59] <Begasus> ah .. mf ;)[07:46:06] <AnEvilYak> Haiku r22431 Oct 3 2007 17:22:50[07:46:09] <AnEvilYak> good call.[07:46:16] <umccullough> there were a total of 4 yaks in the channel last night :P[07:46:25] <AnEvilYak> umccullough: yeah, because the net stack kept flaking on me[07:46:33] <Begasus> 4 virtual yaks?[07:46:34] <Begasus> :P[07:46:45] <AnEvilYak> DeadYak should time out soon though, that PC's on standby[07:46:48] <AnEvilYak> or should be....[07:46:55] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[07:47:07] <AnEvilYak> keep forgetting freenode has outrageous timeouts[07:47:32] <Begasus> yeah ..[07:47:44] <Begasus> that's why there's flag's ;)[07:48:23] <umccullough> AnEvilYak, i was just getting ready to test Haiku from a native partition on this machine when i wiped out the entire partition table by accident :P[07:48:26] <Sikosis> yeh umccullough is currently running dimes on the other virtual yaks ;)[07:48:40] <geist> so you think you can tell heaven from hell[07:51:34] <etteyafed> well i can tell windows form linux so why not[07:51:35] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[07:51:40] <Begasus> should give you atleast a new/clean setup umccullough ;)[07:51:45] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[07:51:48] <Begasus> lol etteyafed[07:51:54] <AnEvilYak> that was interesting[07:51:58] <geist> running over the same old ground. what have you found? the same old fears.[07:52:05] <AnEvilYak> wish you were here[07:52:22] <Begasus> old song .. :)[07:52:29] <AnEvilYak> but awesome :)[07:53:00] <umccullough> damn, i changed the starting block and it gives the same stupid error[07:53:09] <Begasus> so lets see ... the guys from tuxmath fixed a crashing bug ..[07:53:15] <umccullough> complaining about the same block number being wrong even..[07:53:25] <geist> you reached for the secret to soon, you cried for the moon[07:53:38] <AnEvilYak> geist: on a floyd binge tonight?[07:53:44] <etteyafed> geist: Any way to turn off smp in haiku?[07:53:50] <umccullough> i was just gonna say those lyrics sounded familiar :D[07:53:51] <Begasus> I think he's smoking ;)[07:53:53] <geist> i'm always on a floyd binge[07:53:54] <AnEvilYak> etteyafed: it's an option during boot[07:54:01] <etteyafed> I mean smp not ht[07:54:07] <AnEvilYak> etteyafed: so do I[07:54:08] *** Kernel86 has joined #Haiku[07:54:13] <etteyafed> unless i missed it[07:54:21] <umccullough> etteyafed, yeah, should be in the boot options[07:54:24] <umccullough> "disable smp" right?[07:54:28] <umccullough> no?[07:54:32] <AnEvilYak> should be disable SMP under safe mode options[07:54:33] <umccullough> yes, maybe so?[07:54:44] <etteyafed> no just disable HT[07:54:53] <umccullough> eh?[07:54:58] <umccullough> in the haiku boot options?[07:55:02] <geist> overhead the albatross hands motionless upon the air[07:55:03] <etteyafed> yep[07:55:08] <Sikosis> etteyafed: cant u do that in bios ?[07:55:14] <AnEvilYak> haiku's boot options doesn't have anything for HT that I've ever seen[07:55:14] <etteyafed> Nope[07:55:16] <geist> and deep beneath the rolling waves in labyrinths of coral caves[07:55:29] <AnEvilYak> anyhow, leaving this thing idling, night guys[07:55:31] <Sikosis> i know my p4 ht i can turn it off in bios[07:55:35] <umccullough> etteyafed, your hitting spacebar and looking at the safe mode options?[07:55:39] <Begasus> night AnEvilYak[07:55:45] <etteyafed> well i will look again but it says disable hyper threading[07:55:50] <geist> strangers passing in the street[07:55:55] <geist> by chance two separate glances meet[07:56:02] <geist> and i am you and what i see is me[07:56:34] <pyCube> mm[07:57:19] *** cps1966 has joined #haiku[07:57:19] <pyCube> i am guessing that stuff is green and submarine[08:02:26] <umccullough> yay! it's not complaining about a partition table/superblock mismatch[08:02:40] *** frodobeg25 has quit IRC[08:03:26] <etteyafed> Haiku on smp is not yet a reality. At least not for me.[08:03:44] <etteyafed> Even the haiku shell crashed[08:04:22] <umccullough> seems like everyone's reporting those kind of issues latley[08:04:34] <etteyafed> And the option if for HT and NOT SMP[08:04:39] <etteyafed> is*[08:04:44] <umccullough> ht <> smp[08:04:58] <umccullough> disabling ht will not disable smp[08:05:07] <etteyafed> can also be expressed as HT != SMP[08:05:16] <umccullough> sure, but I write SQL for a living[08:05:22] <etteyafed> ;)[08:05:25] <pyCube> heh[08:05:30] <umccullough> usually i use != ;)[08:05:58] <etteyafed> well <> is listed as a best C/C++ practice in one of my books also[08:06:12] <cps1966> what if you have smp+ht[08:06:21] <etteyafed> i prefer != though for some reason[08:06:23] <umccullough> disable both! :D[08:06:33] <cps1966> god no[08:06:39] <etteyafed> there is NO option to disable SMP[08:06:41] <pyCube> etteyafed: becasue it reads like "english"[08:06:54] <umccullough> etteyafed, i'll take a look if i ever get this thing working[08:06:55] <etteyafed> pyCube: Yes.[08:06:58] *** eNGIMa has quit IRC[08:07:15] <umccullough> at this point i think i better reinstall haiku to this partition[08:07:25] <umccullough> considering how badly i've screwed everything up :P[08:09:19] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[08:14:07] <etteyafed> cps1966: One cpu to teast on is better than none.[08:14:16] <etteyafed> test*[08:14:35] <etteyafed> I bet i can turn it off in the source though[08:14:48] <Sikosis> etteyafed: proly best testing with vmware for the time being[08:15:18] <cps1966> if it dont work on smp then it failed test[08:15:24] <etteyafed> Well it works great on my single cpu machine[08:16:09] <etteyafed> well there is other hw on that machine that i want to test. like sata and pci e and geforce go 7400[08:16:35] <etteyafed> smp can wait for the moment[08:17:36] <cps1966> i cant remember a beos release that wouldn't do smp[08:18:08] <etteyafed> beos won't even work on this machine because of the sata[08:18:39] <geist> i'm sure it's a classic smp bug[08:18:52] <geist> probably in a driver somewhere. it's super easy to write non smp safe driver code[08:18:58] <geist> and you'll only find it if you aggressively test it[08:19:01] <etteyafed> I think that is is in the appserver for sure[08:19:09] <geist> probably not[08:19:31] <geist> user space is largely unaffected by smp, except that it's easier to hit threading bugs since the races are wide open[08:19:53] <geist> in kernel space there are a whole new set of locking issues that previously didn't exist that show up with smp (spinlock related stuff)[08:19:58] <etteyafed> the kernel doesn't seem to notice anything wrong. the appserver just locks up and i can't do anything. the kdebug won't reboot though.[08:20:13] <geist> that does not imply it's in the app server[08:20:28] <geist> dont assume the app server is what is locked up. may be the kernel[08:21:03] <geist> for example it could be a smp locking problem in the graphics driver, whcih would show up as the app server locking up[08:21:06] <etteyafed> Well maybe not, It just seems that way. I can use the os as long as i don't try and move ANY windows at all.[08:21:23] <etteyafed> That is the only thing that makes it lock.[08:21:24] <geist> sure, but frankly what it 'seems' is of little value[08:21:37] <geist> when debugging os stuff you cannot assume anything. hard data wins[08:22:14] <umccullough> yeah, haiku won't boot from my ICH9[08:22:16] <etteyafed> I am working at figuring it out, but I am not sure what to look at really.[08:22:38] <etteyafed> umccullough: What is the issue?[08:22:43] <geist> can you drop into the kernel debugger?[08:22:44] <umccullough> ide timeout[08:23:24] <umccullough> geist, me? or etteyafed?[08:23:36] <etteyafed> geist: Yep. It works and theer are no problems that i can see really. Like I said the system will only lock if I move or resize a window.[08:24:08] <umccullough> there are some trac tickets mentioning similar stuff[08:24:14] <geist> etteyafed: that wasn't a satisfactory answer. when it 'locks' can you get into the kernel debugger?[08:24:20] <etteyafed> geist: When in kdebug I feel a little lost.[08:24:23] <etteyafed> yes[08:24:30] <geist> then the kernel is not wedged. that's good[08:24:39] <etteyafed> sorry. that was the yep part[08:25:18] <etteyafed> Yeah. It is better than a total lock.[08:25:47] <etteyafed> umccullough: Is the mobo sata?[08:26:18] <umccullough> etteyafed, 100%[08:26:20] <cps1966> best to have both pata and sata[08:26:21] <umccullough> ICH9[08:26:27] <umccullough> no pata on this board[08:26:43] <etteyafed> umccullough: Did you make sure that ide emulation is turned off in the bios?[08:26:44] <umccullough> it should work with the AHCI driver...[08:26:47] <umccullough> yep[08:27:09] <umccullough> i'll try it on my other board later[08:27:29] <etteyafed> Turning off IDE DMA helped me[08:27:56] <umccullough> didn't make a difference[08:28:04] <etteyafed> too bad.[08:28:12] <umccullough> did you actually see where it died in the debug output?[08:28:26] <etteyafed> oh well. maybe the doctor can help you next time hes in[08:29:27] <umccullough> actually, by then, this HD will be reformatted and this machine will be my bitch[08:29:42] <etteyafed> it threw an error like "vm_page_something". it was a page fault[08:29:53] <umccullough> ah, mine just hangs trying to find the partition[08:30:02] <umccullough> driver loads and everything[08:30:32] <umccullough> but it's not really hung...just timing out[08:32:03] <kokito> good night folks[08:32:07] *** kokito has quit IRC[08:32:51] <etteyafed> umccullough: I thikn i saw someone talking about that and how they resolved it but i cannot remember how they did it[08:33:46] <etteyafed> Is there a page on kdebug that you know of[08:41:32] *** kr1stof_ has joined #haiku[08:48:06] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[08:48:07] *** pyCube has quit IRC[08:55:41] *** SDr has joined #haiku[08:55:58] *** SDragon has quit IRC[08:56:01] *** silverpower has quit IRC[08:59:07] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[09:03:07] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:08:28] *** Euver has joined #haiku[09:11:00] *** frodobeg25 has joined #haiku[09:12:16] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[09:21:02] <etteyafed> debug land is confusing[09:23:33] <etteyafed> All i could find is a call to panic + 0x29 in the second idle thread[09:23:53] <etteyafed> at 0x8008ec059[09:26:41] <geist> that's probably what dropped you into the debugger[09:27:23] <etteyafed> well it dosen't 'drop' me there really, just hangs the system. i had to hit F12 to get into it.[09:28:05] <etteyafed> but the question is why would the idle thread call panic at all[09:28:06] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[09:29:21] <etteyafed> and what IS panic + 0x29[09:29:44] <etteyafed> I couldn't find what might have caused it. and i cant find the docs that would explain the different panic calls if there are any[09:29:51] <etteyafed> i mean different calls[09:32:05] <umccullough> f12 causes a panic[09:32:12] <umccullough> that's how you get to the debugger :)[09:32:27] <etteyafed> well then i found nothing wrong[09:32:37] <umccullough> likely you're looking for a lock[09:33:03] <cps1966> so its not the kernel[09:33:04] <etteyafed> I looked at the sems in the appserver thread and they looked ok[09:33:18] <etteyafed> how do i find a lock[09:33:19] <umccullough> possibly the registrar or tracker even[09:33:34] <umccullough> i dunno really, like you i don't know much about kdl[09:33:55] <etteyafed> tracker looked ok. well i just dont know what i am doing pure and simple[09:35:37] <etteyafed> if i knew what i was looknig at things would be easier. or if i could access the debugger from another machine.[09:36:12] <etteyafed> problem is the laptop has no serial port at all[09:36:25] <etteyafed> i could maybe get a usb to serial adapter.[09:38:18] <etteyafed> If only i could run the kernel in gdb ;)[09:38:33] <etteyafed> that would be so much easier[09:46:14] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:02:41] *** Euver has quit IRC[10:11:04] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[10:11:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[10:11:53] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[10:16:52] *** agony__ has joined #haiku[10:18:06] *** meisje has joined #haiku[10:25:41] *** agony_ has quit IRC[10:37:29] *** Begasus is now known as Begasus_bbl[10:50:06] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[10:54:23] *** meisje has quit IRC[10:54:37] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[11:11:48] *** SprMa has quit IRC[11:24:09] *** stargater has joined #haiku[11:24:15] <stargater> moin[11:29:22] *** frodobeg25 has quit IRC[11:38:23] <plfiorini> mopin[11:39:57] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[12:01:13] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[12:08:56] *** myrkr has joined #haiku[12:11:58] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:11:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[12:13:11] *** frodobeg25 has joined #haiku[12:29:38] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[12:41:01] *** phoudoin has quit IRC[12:49:44] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[12:55:35] *** stargater has quit IRC[12:57:58] <myrkr> can I boot haiku from a hdd image on my filesystem with grub?[13:00:29] <IcePic> according to the haiku-os webpages you can.[13:00:36] <IcePic> oh wait. sorry.[13:00:50] <IcePic> boot it from a file, containing a hd-image? Dont think grub does that.[13:01:40] <myrkr> hmm, v[13:01:43] <myrkr> k[13:01:51] <IcePic> unless you do it over vmware or so.[13:02:42] <myrkr> I don't have wmvare ;)[13:02:45] <IcePic> you still need some program (like vmware) or OS-feature to convert device-reading ops (from inside haiku) to filesystem ops (for reading/writing to the image file).[13:03:02] <mmu_man> Haiku doesn't support fmap like R5 did, yet[13:03:07] <IcePic> myrkr: the vmware player is free, only a download (and a waste-me email account) away.[13:03:19] <myrkr> IcePic: you have one that runs on solaris?[13:04:14] <myrkr> qemu on the other hand might work[13:05:01] <IcePic> myrkr: no, I assumed linux when you said grub. Sorry for that.[13:05:06] <plfiorini> damn i need to install suse i386 on a 64bit machine, can't understand that[13:06:09] <myrkr> plfiorini: I don't know about linux, but solaris runs both 32 and 64 bit apps[13:06:27] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[13:06:51] <plfiorini> myrkr: linux too, but it seems suse is downloading i386 packages when needs dependencies[13:07:23] <myrkr> well, I don't have a clue, I've only ever used 32 bit linux ;)[13:07:48] <plfiorini> myrkr: i don't want to use linux anymore when some things are broken or overcomplicated[13:07:49] <plfiorini> :)[13:08:00] <IcePic> plfiorini: stuff that run in 32bit spac e(like say, acroreader) needs quite a large amount of 32bit compat stuff[13:08:37] <plfiorini> IcePic: i'm installing aMule and it downloads gtk+ stuff for i386 and gives some errors because aMule package is 64bit[13:09:24] <plfiorini> IcePic: but the repository has got 64bit packages of both kde and gnome, it's just yast doesn't understand i bought a 64bit machine to run 64bit code .)[13:09:41] <IcePic> plfiorini: ok. Lots of my linux-64bit adventures ended in DLing insane amounts of compat32-stuff at least.[13:10:15] <plfiorini> IcePic: that what i did to install skype 1.4, just installed qt4 32bit compat stuff and all went ok[13:10:35] <IcePic> plfiorini: perhaps the packing list for aMule is weird[13:10:53] <plfiorini> at least compiz makes windows wobblying that what linux is good nowadays[13:11:02] <plfiorini> IcePic: i don't want to know :P[13:11:09] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[13:12:10] <plfiorini> IcePic: anyway i don't want to have problems building haiku so opensuse 32bit seems a good option[13:12:58] <IcePic> It would be neat if hostbitsize issues would be solved though, 64bit is coming to ordinary people now whether you want it or not. =)[13:15:08] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[13:15:10] <Stargater> re[13:17:07] <plfiorini> IcePic: at work i saw a suse that wanted to install ppc packages on a intel 64bit machine[13:17:13] *** nielx|mobile has joined #haiku[13:17:23] <plfiorini> i thought was my collegue's fault[13:17:34] <IcePic> plfiorini: =)[13:17:37] <plfiorini> repositories are just buggy :)[13:18:20] *** jevin has quit IRC[13:18:27] *** nielx|mobile has quit IRC[13:30:42] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[13:32:10] <CIA-5> jackburton * r22432 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):[13:32:10] <CIA-5> Patch by Rene Gollent: TextViews now can scroll even if they aren't[13:32:10] <CIA-5> attached to a BScrollView.[13:37:11] <CIA-5> jackburton * r22433 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TextView.cpp:[13:37:11] <CIA-5> oops! Somehow I managed to commit a version with some extra debug code[13:37:12] <CIA-5> enabled.[13:37:59] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[13:38:06] *** petterhj has quit IRC[13:43:27] *** jevin has joined #haiku[13:46:45] *** PieterPan has joined #haiku[13:47:43] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[13:48:27] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[13:48:41] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[13:56:32] *** Stargater has quit IRC[14:00:46] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[14:02:17] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[14:14:27] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[14:19:12] *** _Lucretia has quit IRC[14:20:06] *** jevin has quit IRC[14:25:38] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[14:26:26] *** phoudoin has quit IRC[14:27:00] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[14:32:17] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[14:36:16] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[14:43:16] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[14:45:23] <CIA-5> axeld * r22434 /haiku/trunk/ (18 files in 8 dirs):[14:45:23] <CIA-5> * fs_{write|read}_pages() now has an additional argument "mayBlock".[14:45:23] <CIA-5> * the page writer don't allow to block, while all other writers do. This fixes[14:45:23] <CIA-5> bug #1509. The reason the page writer needs this is because it marks several[14:45:23] <CIA-5> pages from different caches as busy.[14:45:24] <CIA-5> * Fixed a warning about ASSERT being defined already in BFS, since[14:45:27] <CIA-5> util/DoublyLinkedList.h now includes debug.h.[14:48:49] <PieterPan> Has anyone gotten the HD audio driver to produce real output on real hardware? All I get is silence[14:53:24] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[14:54:02] <DeadYak> PieterPan: no HDA hardware here to try with :/ afaik Ithamar wrote that driver, I know he at least had it working on some of his PCs[14:54:46] <PieterPan> DeadYak Ok, maybe it is just a matter of configuring it correctly, it is detected and I get plenty of options in media prefs[14:55:44] <PieterPan> I suppose the GForce 8600M wouldn't work yet on Haiku?[14:56:17] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[15:01:49] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[15:03:51] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[15:04:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[15:04:22] <PieterPan> Hey there dr_evil, any progress on booting sata with AHCI disabled yet?[15:05:04] <dr_evil> no, I didn't have time for that yet[15:05:27] <PieterPan> Ok no problem, I'm happy that it works[15:05:34] <PieterPan> (with AHCI enabled)[15:08:35] <mmu_man> PieterPan last time Ithamar said it worked on R5[15:08:55] <PieterPan> mmu_man might be something specific with my laptop...[15:11:35] <PieterPan> But I'll tell you that Haiku is extremely fast on my laptop :)[15:11:39] <PieterPan> And that's with VESA :)[15:14:17] <dr_evil> mmu_man the IDE emulation mode doesn't work with my machine either[15:14:27] <dr_evil> I think its a bug in the ide stack[15:19:10] *** Begasus_bbl is now known as Begasus[15:20:10] <Begasus> 'lo PieterPan ![15:20:15] <mmu_man> maybe with the BIOS ids ?[15:20:16] <Begasus> long time no see[15:20:29] <PieterPan> Hello Begasus I've been lurking :)[15:20:37] <PieterPan> Glad to see Haiku progress so well[15:20:41] <Begasus> ah .. long time since I've seen you active then ;)[15:20:46] <Begasus> yeah[15:20:47] <PieterPan> Yes[15:21:21] <Begasus> how's it been there?[15:21:23] <PieterPan> I just recently got haiku working natively on my laptop, that says a great deal, since it is a few months old[15:21:32] *** memzy has joined #haiku[15:21:53] <Begasus> great![15:22:10] <Begasus> the builds from haiku org site?[15:22:13] <PieterPan> Well, I studied Computer Science in the USA, then worked in Holland for 3 years, and now I am studying Aerospace Engineering at Delft University of Technology :)[15:22:20] <PieterPan> Built it myself from ubuntu[15:22:30] <PieterPan> installed it with jam, works wonders :)[15:22:35] <Begasus> ah with the cross compiler or gcc4 ?[15:22:40] <PieterPan> cross compiler[15:22:52] <Begasus> haven't gotten much luck my self with gcc4 build on the laptop[15:22:55] <PieterPan> With Marcus's latest AHCI SATA driver[15:23:03] <CIA-5> axeld * r22435 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/fs_shell/ (file_cache.cpp rootfs.cpp): Forgot to commit the fs_shell with r22434, thanks for the note, Stefano![15:23:12] <Begasus> isn't that in by default?[15:23:19] <PieterPan> Yes it is[15:23:26] <Begasus> ah thought so ;)[15:23:30] <PieterPan> Only a few days old, and works very well aready[15:23:36] <PieterPan> *already[15:23:48] <PieterPan> Though I'm sure he's worked on it for a while hehe[15:23:55] <Begasus> think that there are some isseus with gcc4 atm ...[15:24:01] <Begasus> indeed ;)[15:24:06] <PieterPan> I heard it wouldn't work...[15:24:12] <PieterPan> How are you doing Begasus?[15:24:25] <Begasus> could always be better ;)[15:24:29] <dr_evil> using gcc4 seems to cause some strange bugs, like gui deadlocks, or kerrnel crashing, I'm now back using gcc2.95.3 and haiku is rock stable[15:24:52] <Begasus> on saterday I'm getting the new dog .... so looking forward to it ;)[15:25:10] <PieterPan> That's nice![15:25:13] <Begasus> any chance on trying to figure out what's happening with gcc4 build in the near future dr_evil ?[15:25:18] <Begasus> indeed PieterPan :D[15:25:43] <dr_evil> i'm not going to spend time on that[15:25:59] <Begasus> I didn't mean you specificly ;)[15:26:08] <DeadYak> I did have a gui deadlock yesterday on a gcc 2.x build[15:26:20] * Begasus pets DeadYak[15:26:26] * DeadYak pets Begasus[15:26:30] <Begasus> meep ;)[15:26:38] <PieterPan> Well, I do have some issues left and right, mediaserver crashing, haiku not booting sometimes, etc...[15:26:49] <PieterPan> perhaps smp issues, as I have a C2D[15:27:07] *** jevin has joined #haiku[15:27:47] <Begasus> hmm another question ... could one switch from gcc2 build to compiling the gcc4 build and vice versa?[15:27:56] <Begasus> eg switch compilers?[15:28:05] <PieterPan> Just re ./configure?[15:28:15] <Begasus> that's why I'm asking ;)[15:28:21] <PieterPan> No clue, I suppose so..[15:28:27] *** rennj has joined #haiku[15:28:34] <PieterPan> I know of a way to find it out :)[15:28:37] <Begasus> hehe[15:28:40] <Begasus> hi rennj !![15:28:46] <rennj> yo[15:28:47] <PieterPan> Might take some time ;)[15:29:26] <Begasus> I was glad enough to setup the build tools so I could compile it here ;)[15:29:43] <PieterPan> I do think the process is well documented and works flawlessly[15:30:07] <PieterPan> But right now I'm searching for a way to get files out of haiku...[15:30:10] <Begasus> yeah ... in the beginning it was a bit harder (doc's have been updated)[15:30:20] <Begasus> out?[15:30:30] <PieterPan> no usb sticks, no ethernet, no wifi, no serial port on laptop...[15:30:32] <Begasus> I'm rather searching for a way to get files in :P[15:30:50] <Begasus> mostly lib's ...[15:30:54] <PieterPan> Begasus that's easy, zip them, and add a line to CustomBuildfile...[15:31:10] <Begasus> haven't checked yet ...[15:31:50] <PieterPan> In the sample file they unzip a whole bunch of dev. tools.[15:31:54] <Begasus> mann the guys from the ubuntu chan are to f*cked up if you ask me ...[15:31:59] <PieterPan> Just modify it for your need[15:32:08] <Begasus> should have a look at it ;)[15:32:32] <PieterPan> I copy a few media files using it, so I can play some mp3's (but not hear them) :)[15:32:42] <PieterPan> I can watch some divx movies though[15:33:01] <Begasus> I could also setup a second hd in qemu and copy files over that way ....[15:33:06] <PieterPan> Yes[15:33:10] <Begasus> time time ... ;-)[15:33:13] <PieterPan> hehe[15:33:23] <Begasus> and I don't even have a job atm!! :P[15:33:26] <PieterPan> hehe[15:33:32] <PieterPan> I'm studying, should be studying more ;)[15:33:49] <Begasus> I'm past studying ;)[15:33:58] <Begasus> maybe some re-scholing though ...[15:34:23] <PieterPan> Where do you live now?[15:34:36] <Begasus> still in Limburg (Lanklaar) Be[15:34:53] <PieterPan> ok, I'm in Delft[15:35:15] <Begasus> rememered your name from way back in BeShare ;)[15:35:15] <PieterPan> You people with the funny soft g ;)[15:35:20] <Begasus> hehe[15:35:23] <PieterPan> I was impressed you did ;)[15:35:45] <Begasus> well I'm always glad to see familiar faces ;)[15:35:52] <PieterPan> lonnng time ago[15:36:00] <Begasus> indeed[15:36:05] <PieterPan> I just can't wait for Haiku to become more finished[15:36:17] <PieterPan> USB Mass storage would be a big gain...[15:36:26] <DeadYak> Begasus: ./configure --build-cross-tools-gcc4-x86 I think[15:36:27] <PieterPan> I suppose next GSOC would give another big boost[15:36:51] <Begasus> well don't know how the mass storage driver from ... way back would work in Haiku atm[15:36:54] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[15:36:57] <PieterPan> ./configure --build-cross-tools-gcc4 x86 ../buildtools/[15:37:06] <PieterPan> From http://haiku-os.org/documents/dev/building_haiku_on_ubuntu_linux_step_by_step[15:37:19] <Begasus> already got a gcc4 session going atm DeadYak ;)[15:37:35] <Begasus> just wanted to know if it was possible to switch between them back and forth ...[15:37:50] <Begasus> you know them by heart PieterPan ? ;-)[15:37:51] <PieterPan> Begasus probably not... will probably have to write our own new mass storage driver[15:38:04] <PieterPan> Nope haha, just looked them up, done it a few days ago[15:38:24] <PieterPan> Also glad to see rudolf back[15:38:25] <Begasus> don't know ... PieterPan .... depends on the usb stack I geuss also in Haiku atm[15:38:30] <Begasus> indeed!![15:38:50] <PieterPan> Hope he can continue his work and support the geforce 8xxx series :)[15:39:09] <Begasus> well afaik he should be doing some work in his spare time ...[15:39:20] <Begasus> atleast that's what he told me last time ;)[15:39:23] <PieterPan> Yeah, as long as he enjoys it[15:39:42] *** guma has joined #haiku[15:40:23] <PieterPan> Begasus does NathanW still drop by often?[15:40:30] <Begasus> http://www.flickr.com/photos/begasus/1451139567/in/photostream/[15:40:34] <Begasus> that's the litle bugger ;)[15:40:45] <Begasus> haven't seen him in a while PieterPan ...[15:41:03] <PieterPan> Very cute :)[15:41:11] <PieterPan> I'm sure he grows big?[15:41:16] <PieterPan> (she?)[15:41:23] <Begasus> he[15:42:51] <Begasus> (t)[15:43:16] <PieterPan> Very nice indeed[15:43:23] <Begasus> normal height is 'bout 55cm[15:43:33] <Begasus> that's midle male/female[15:43:34] <SprMa> What a cutie![15:43:39] <Begasus> he is ;)[15:43:55] <plfiorini> nice![15:44:03] <myrkr> does it work to dd the haiku image to a partition and boot?[15:44:16] <Begasus> 'lo myrkr ;)[15:44:21] <SprMa> it should[15:44:29] <Begasus> haven't checked that option yet ;)[15:44:38] <IcePic> myrkr: assuming you set the bootloader to find it correctly afterwards.[15:44:39] <plfiorini> do you want to dd the dog?[15:44:55] <Begasus> hehe[15:45:01] <Begasus> no he can't !![15:45:02] <Begasus> :P[15:45:04] <plfiorini> :)[15:45:14] <Begasus> he's taken ;)[15:45:32] <plfiorini> maybe a jam build-dog-image would be nice[15:45:45] <myrkr> what's this about dog?[15:45:48] <SprMa> @Begasus: that's my little girl http://bilder.spreiter.de/albums/photos/molly/normal_Molly_029.jpg[15:46:03] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[15:46:14] <Begasus> nice SprMa !!![15:46:19] <Begasus> looks cute ;)[15:47:01] <SprMa> she's nearly 2 now and 80cm to the shoulder[15:47:11] <Begasus> w00t !! ;)[15:47:23] <Begasus> and still that cute?[15:47:45] <plfiorini> myrkr: i read an howto, if you set the image name to let's say sda5 and dir to /dev it's done by jam[15:47:48] <SprMa> the picture was from days long gone. but still cute all the same![15:48:20] <SprMa> she's a full grown Irish Wolfhound lady by now.[15:48:26] <Begasus> nice[15:48:39] <Begasus> saw some of them on the fair last sunday in Maastricht[15:48:47] <Begasus> pretty impressive[15:49:07] <Begasus> fair = dog show ...[15:49:50] <SprMa> She's got a friend since January: http://bilder.spreiter.de/albums/wpw-20070402/normal_Molly_554.jpg[15:50:01] <Begasus> http://www.flickr.com/photos/begasus/1139475186/[15:50:08] <SprMa> But he's going to have some surgery tomorrow morning...[15:50:13] <Begasus> she won there as best husky in the netherlands[15:50:21] <myrkr> plfiorini: I read that too, however, T'd like to not have to build haiku ;)[15:50:45] <Begasus> looking nice SprMa ![15:50:52] <myrkr> I just want to make user apps ;)[15:50:52] <SprMa> Best of Breed! My congrats![15:51:05] <Begasus> http://www.flickr.com/photos/begasus/1461268881/[15:51:14] <Begasus> that will be the next here ;)[15:51:20] <Begasus> brown female[15:51:38] <SprMa> I could just sit and watch puppies for hours...[15:51:41] <DeadYak> Begasus: that's a huskie?[15:51:54] <Begasus> yeah dea[15:51:57] <Begasus> DeadYak, *[15:51:58] <Begasus> ;)[15:52:03] <DeadYak> Begasus: wow those look different as puppies[15:52:27] <Begasus> yeah ... a bit like rabbits :P[15:52:36] <Begasus> or 'rats' as someone mentioned earlier :P[15:52:58] <Begasus> but they are oh so loving ...[15:53:22] <Begasus> hehe[15:53:45] <Begasus> SprMa, ... the idea is to start a line of our own if they perform well on shows ...[15:55:05] <Begasus> that's why we bought the puppies from different breeders ...[15:55:18] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[15:55:20] <Begasus> and checked that they didn't cross somewhere ;)[15:55:31] <dr_evil> I ate lunch at 12:00 and i'm hungry again, just 4 hours later :([15:55:43] <Begasus> haven't eaten today yet ...[15:55:57] <SprMa> Hey. Then the firstborn of your second (Wurf?) must be named Baron![15:56:05] <SprMa> ;)[15:56:21] <Begasus> former boss called a few days back ... wanted some help for a few peeps that needed some work done today ...[15:56:25] <Begasus> lol SprMa[15:56:35] <Begasus> Begaron ;)[15:56:38] <Begasus> lol[15:56:42] <SprMa> *ggg*[15:56:49] <DeadYak> dr_evil: that happened to me yesterday but with dinner[15:57:10] <SprMa> btw: what's "Wurf" (the birth of puppies) called in english?[15:57:24] <DeadYak> SprMa: litter[15:57:24] <Begasus> 'werp' in dutch ...[15:57:27] <Begasus> ;)[15:57:29] <SprMa> Litter[15:57:34] <SprMa> of course![15:57:35] <Begasus> DeadYak, to the resque ;)[15:57:53] <DeadYak> hehe[15:58:15] <Begasus> maybe I should get some English course ... :P[15:58:42] <SprMa> Got to go now. I've got deliveries. Acutally: dog-food[15:58:54] <Begasus> cu SprMa ;)[15:59:01] <SprMa> bye then. And give them a hug![15:59:14] *** SprMa has quit IRC[16:00:03] <Begasus> hug ... need to wait 2 more days ... :/[16:05:38] *** guma has quit IRC[16:09:07] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[16:11:37] <plfiorini> oh fuck paypal wants 1,5eur to verify if in your credit card online service there is a transaction for paypal[16:11:45] <Begasus> cya'll ...[16:12:53] *** Begasus has quit IRC[16:13:09] <plfiorini> and then they will give me 1,5euro for the next transaction[16:13:31] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[16:16:41] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[16:26:50] *** PieterPan has quit IRC[16:27:45] *** rcjsuen_ is now known as rcjsuen[16:29:20] *** fyysik has quit IRC[16:30:59] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22436 /haiku/trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs):[16:30:59] <CIA-5> * rootfs.c -> rootfs.cpp[16:30:59] <CIA-5> * Made the kernel rootfs reusable by the FS Shell and removed the[16:30:59] <CIA-5> copy in the FS Shell sources.[16:34:11] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[16:37:41] <dr_evil> intersting, my DSL appears to be stable today. of cause my provider claims that they made a measurement this morning and didn't find any error (despite the modem disconnecting yesterday every few minutes)[16:38:24] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[16:41:19] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[16:58:11] *** kr1stof_ is now known as kr1stof[17:01:26] <mmu_man> eh[17:01:44] * DeadYak plops[17:02:07] * kad77 grogs[17:11:51] <CIA-5> axeld * r22437 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/kernel_interface.cpp: Forgot to replace the error code with the new "mayBlock" logic, thanks Ingo![17:16:26] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[17:17:33] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[17:17:33] *** Player1 has joined #haiku[17:19:11] *** JamesU_ has joined #haiku[17:20:13] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[17:23:08] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[17:32:32] *** rcjsuen__ has joined #haiku[17:34:02] *** petterhj has quit IRC[17:34:58] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[17:37:44] *** Jiro has joined #haiku[17:41:21] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[17:41:27] *** rcjsuen__ is now known as rcjsuen[17:45:43] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:48:44] <Thom_Holwerda> god i feel so guilty :([17:48:52] <Thom_Holwerda> just made The Phonecall to the vet[17:48:58] <Thom_Holwerda> my cat is... goig to get it.[17:51:42] <Jiro> lol[17:55:35] *** meisje has joined #haiku[17:57:36] *** memzy has quit IRC[17:58:55] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:59:20] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[17:59:45] *** Jiro is now known as memzy[18:02:19] *** hnjk has joined #haiku[18:02:34] *** hnjk is now known as dos66[18:02:36] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[18:02:37] *** dos66 is now known as dr_evil[18:02:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[18:13:19] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[18:13:40] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:14:14] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[18:16:10] *** kokito has joined #haiku[18:18:19] *** JamesU_ has quit IRC[18:36:44] <CIA-5> axeld * r22438 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[18:36:44] <CIA-5> * vm_remove_all_page_mappings() now returns an accumulation of the flags of[18:36:44] <CIA-5> the unmapped page.[18:36:44] <CIA-5> * This is needed by everyone who calls this to make sure modifications to a[18:36:44] <CIA-5> page aren't ignored. Namely, the page scanner and the page thief were[18:36:45] <CIA-5> affected.[18:36:46] <CIA-5> * Cleaned up locking the page's cache a bit in page_thief(); there is now[18:42:45] *** BePower has joined #haiku[18:48:27] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[18:50:29] *** Karina``` has joined #haiku[18:52:09] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[18:52:41] *** cps1966 has quit IRC[18:53:06] <CIA-5> axeld * r22439 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/vm_page.cpp:[18:53:06] <CIA-5> * Added some docs.[18:53:06] <CIA-5> * Removed dead code.[18:56:40] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:57:57] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[18:59:56] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[19:04:51] *** Player1 has quit IRC[19:06:05] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[19:06:17] <plfiorini> hello[19:06:20] * plfiorini is finally building gcc 2.95 on opensuse 32bit[19:06:52] <kokito> hey plfiorini[19:07:33] <plfiorini> hello kokito[19:07:52] <plfiorini> binutils and gcc for cross compilation have been built successfully![19:07:55] <plfiorini> yahooooo[19:08:27] <kokito> LOL[19:09:50] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[19:10:23] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[19:12:27] <plfiorini> it needs 15 minutes to build the cross compiler[19:12:45] *** BePower has quit IRC[19:12:47] <plfiorini> i don't know if it compiles less stuff than for a normal gcc or my machine is fast[19:15:18] <IcePic> plfiorini: crosscompilers dont do the three-stage bootstrap to rebuild itself with itself twice and compare it[19:15:39] <IcePic> then again, gcc2.95 is way faster than both gcc3 and gcc4.[19:15:50] <plfiorini> IcePic: i noticed :)[19:15:56] <DeadYak> and less compliant :P[19:16:08] <plfiorini> noticed that too ;)[19:16:13] <IcePic> DeadYak: it seems to work for a large number of OSes. =)[19:16:14] <plfiorini> anyway[19:16:27] <plfiorini> haiku is fucking building![19:17:06] <IcePic> jam -j<large number> for the win. ;)[19:18:13] <plfiorini> let's use all these cores, jam -j4 ...[19:19:27] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[19:22:17] <DeadYak> IcePic: I meant in terms of c++ spec[19:22:37] *** memzy has quit IRC[19:24:19] <plfiorini> i've got a problem building haiku[19:24:29] <plfiorini> i read http://haiku-os.org/documents/dev/installing_haiku_to_a_partition_from_linux[19:24:37] <plfiorini> then my UserBuildConfig contains:[19:24:45] <plfiorini> HAIKU_IMAGE_NAME = sda5 ;[19:24:45] <plfiorini> HAIKU_IMAGE_DIR = /dev ;[19:24:45] <plfiorini> HAIKU_IMAGE_SIZE = 100 ;[19:25:13] *** meisje has quit IRC[19:25:49] <plfiorini> running jam says:[19:25:51] <plfiorini> ...skipped sda5 for lack of <HaikuImage>haiku.image-init-vars...[19:26:42] <plfiorini> what i am doing wrong?[19:34:57] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[19:35:50] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:35:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[19:40:46] *** SDragon has joined #haiku[19:40:51] *** SDr has quit IRC[19:45:14] *** magnetron has joined #haiku[19:46:40] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[19:47:11] *** SDr has joined #haiku[19:47:16] *** SDragon has quit IRC[19:51:21] *** SDragon has joined #haiku[19:51:31] *** SDr has quit IRC[19:54:57] *** SDr has joined #haiku[19:55:11] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:55:29] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:55:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[19:59:31] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22440 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/disk_device_manager/jobs/KScanPartitionJob.cpp: gcc 4 warned unnecessarily.[20:03:30] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22441 /haiku/trunk/ (8 files in 5 dirs):[20:03:30] <CIA-5> Added scan_partition() function which can be used by disk systems (e.g.[20:03:31] <CIA-5> in *_initialize()) to save some work.[20:11:07] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22442 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/kernel_interface.cpp:[20:11:07] <CIA-5> * Implemented bfs_validate_initialize(). It should probably do more[20:11:07] <CIA-5> checks (e.g. if the partition is big enough), though.[20:11:07] <CIA-5> * bfs_initialize():[20:11:07] <CIA-5> - Report job progress.[20:11:08] <CIA-5> - Rescan the partition after it has been initialized, so that all[20:11:10] <CIA-5> partition_data fields are properly initialized.[20:12:07] *** SDragon has quit IRC[20:15:57] *** BePower has joined #haiku[20:18:02] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[20:22:41] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[20:22:53] *** alpha-li1n has joined #haiku[20:23:26] *** lorglas has quit IRC[20:25:01] *** Thom_Holwerda_ has joined #haiku[20:25:01] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[20:26:16] <kokito> mmu_man!![20:26:39] * DeadYak pets kokito[20:26:50] <kokito> hey DeadYak[20:27:28] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22443 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/partitioning_systems/intel/ (Jamfile intel.cpp intel.h write_support.cpp write_support.h): Moved the write support code into a separate source file.[20:28:37] *** Maartin has joined #haiku[20:29:27] *** Maartin is now known as rmhunter[20:30:12] <mmu_man> plop kokito[20:30:36] <kokito> how are you mmu_man ?[20:32:26] <mmu_man> ok[20:32:36] <mmu_man> checking some mac68k stuff...[20:33:37] <kokito> still doing your morning oriental exercise?[20:33:55] <mmu_man> depends at what time I wake up :D[20:33:58] * kokito can't remember if it was taichi or kung fu or what...[20:34:15] <mmu_man> tai chi is better on morning[20:38:35] <dr_evil> chop sui is better in the evening[20:38:58] * dr_evil needs to leave[20:40:09] *** alpha-lion has quit IRC[20:40:20] *** genkie has joined #haiku[20:43:37] *** genkie has quit IRC[20:46:16] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[20:46:18] <Stargater> hi[20:52:46] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[20:58:26] <Stargater> mmu_man around and have you 5 min time for me ?[21:01:20] <mmu_man> sure[21:02:35] <Stargater> ok in query please[21:08:12] *** BePower has quit IRC[21:08:32] *** alpha-li1n is now known as alpha-lion[21:14:54] *** Stargater has quit IRC[21:18:33] *** rgb has joined #haiku[21:22:44] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[21:22:45] <Stargater> re[21:22:52] <Stargater> mmu_man[21:22:58] <mmu_man> ..[21:27:22] <TuneTracker> Howdy mmu_man[21:28:16] <kokito> hello TuneTracker[21:31:29] *** Stargater has quit IRC[21:32:24] <mmu_man> plop[21:34:20] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[21:36:18] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[21:36:20] <Stargater> re[21:36:22] <Stargater> hmm[21:38:40] <mmu_man> ..[21:43:07] *** BePower has joined #haiku[21:43:29] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[21:43:58] *** BePower has quit IRC[21:44:10] *** BePower has joined #haiku[21:45:15] *** BePower has quit IRC[21:46:26] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[21:47:15] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[21:47:23] <DaaT> mmu_man[21:47:45] <mmu_man> plop[21:47:56] <DaaT> saw sg:a? :)~[21:48:21] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[21:49:33] *** Stargater has quit IRC[21:50:44] <mmu_man> 401 yes[21:50:51] <mmu_man> with sound and music :)[21:51:22] *** Deffy|iMac has left #haiku[21:52:24] <DaaT> :)[21:52:31] <DaaT> enjoyed it?[21:52:36] <mmu_man> yeah nice[21:52:48] <mmu_man> nice suspense ;)[21:52:54] <DaaT> shame they're killing elizabeth[21:53:30] <mmu_man> not literally at least :))[21:53:45] <DaaT> should be on 02 :P[21:55:04] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[21:55:06] <Stargater> re[21:55:30] <mmu_man> she's sheduled to appear in later eps, so :D[21:55:41] <DaaT> ah yes? didn't know[21:55:50] <TuneTracker> Hiya kokito[21:55:53] <mmu_man> unless they do it like flashbacks[21:55:59] <DaaT> could be[21:56:16] <DaaT> i presumed they were killing her off because she isn't even on the opening credits[21:56:47] *** frodobeg25 has quit IRC[21:56:50] <mmu_man> that's just because carter is taking her place, doesn't mean she won't come back later[21:56:55] <mmu_man> (dream on...)[21:56:58] <mmu_man> :)[21:56:59] <DaaT> *nod*[21:57:11] <DaaT> but doubt it :P[21:57:24] <DaaT> well, i guess they had to give a job to carter, since sg is kaput[21:57:30] <CIA-5> jackburton * r22444 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TextView.cpp:[21:57:30] <CIA-5> Mail's inherited InsertText() calls CancelInputMethod()[21:57:30] <CIA-5> indirectly, and since InsertText() is called inside[21:57:30] <CIA-5> BTextView::HandleInputMethodChanged(), this method would see fInline[21:57:30] <CIA-5> slip away from under its feet.. Now we call the BTextView version[21:57:31] <CIA-5> explicitly. Fixes bug #1022, although I'm not sure if this is completely[21:57:34] <CIA-5> correct.[21:58:02] *** Euver has joined #haiku[21:58:10] <mmu_man> yeah, we call that game "la chaise musicale"[21:58:41] <DaaT> eh[21:58:44] <mmu_man> (everyone stands up and moves until the music is over, remove 1 chair, stop the music...)[21:59:10] <mmu_man> oh.. IM[21:59:12] <DaaT> we have it here as well[21:59:13] <DaaT> :)[21:59:21] <mmu_man> I should svn ci that stuff[22:02:02] *** BePower has joined #haiku[22:02:23] <Ingenu> night[22:02:35] <pulkomandy> +++[22:02:44] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[22:02:50] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:03:32] *** jojo^_ has left #haiku[22:09:42] *** cps1966 has joined #haiku[22:10:58] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[22:10:59] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[22:11:04] <JBurton> hi all[22:11:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBurton[22:11:21] <Lelldorin1> hi[22:18:44] *** rainman has joined #haiku[22:20:40] *** rainman has quit IRC[22:29:59] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:30:18] *** Thom_r5 has joined #haiku[22:39:23] *** Euver has quit IRC[22:40:25] *** _KeenEars_ has joined #haiku[22:42:53] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[22:45:13] *** BePower has quit IRC[22:45:21] *** frodobeg25 has joined #haiku[22:48:22] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[22:52:09] *** Stargater has quit IRC[22:59:50] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[22:59:55] *** nielx|mobile has joined #haiku[23:01:05] <nielx|mobile> Evening![23:02:28] <nielx|mobile> kokito: hi[23:03:41] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[23:05:55] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[23:11:52] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[23:14:18] *** nielx|mobile has quit IRC[23:14:26] *** petterhj has quit IRC[23:15:19] *** magnetron has quit IRC[23:24:05] *** wildur has quit IRC[23:28:41] <JBurton> bye all[23:31:02] *** Stargater has quit IRC[23:31:13] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[23:32:14] *** SDragon has joined #haiku[23:39:01] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[23:39:02] <Stargater> re[23:39:41] <Stargater> mmu_man no :( i make a example app an post it in the ML[23:39:50] <eric_j> hmm, i wonder how fast haiku would boot the xo laptop[23:40:13] <pyCube> its more efficient to just not reboot[23:40:16] <Stargater> i test my in zeta and r5 and it run , only in haiku[23:41:38] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[23:45:19] *** nielx has joined #haiku[23:45:34] <nielx> Hola (again)[23:46:00] *** steffen_f has joined #haiku[23:48:21] * Thom_Holwerda_ waves[23:48:30] * Thom_r5 too[23:48:49] <nielx> any more Thom instances?[23:48:57] <Thom_Holwerda_> nah, that's about it for today[23:49:12] *** SDr has quit IRC[23:49:16] <Thom_Holwerda_> i set up an r5 machine in my living room next to my mac, couldnt live without beos at my fingertips :/[23:49:43] <nielx> ah, that's sweet[23:50:49] *** JBurton has quit IRC