October 3, 2007 
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October 3, 2007 [00:01:45] <pyCube> although.. i guess the cold war was really all about outsourcing war.. us, ussr, and china were always wanting to fight, but found it cheaper to outsource the wars to latin american or s.e. asian countries[00:04:35] *** xenonsoft has quit IRC[00:17:57] * DeadYak blinks[00:18:07] <DeadYak> svn.berlios.de: connection refused?[00:18:29] <Begasus> they don't like you anymore? <jk>[00:18:43] <DeadYak> hah.[00:18:52] <DaaT> can you blame them?[00:19:01] <Begasus> DaaT, ![00:19:07] <DaaT> where?[00:19:10] <Begasus> didn't see you there :P[00:19:18] <DaaT> lucky you :)[00:19:26] <Begasus> yeah :D[00:19:55] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[00:20:06] <Begasus> same prob here DeadYak ;)[00:20:17] <Begasus> going down myself ...[00:20:20] <Begasus> g'night peeps[00:20:58] <DaaT> night[00:21:05] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:21:22] *** Begasus has quit IRC[00:21:57] * DeadYak noogies DaaT[00:22:18] * DaaT wedgies DeadYak[00:24:04] * Hodapp throws an ice cream cone at DeadYak[00:24:46] * DeadYak catches[00:24:50] <DeadYak> mmm...ice cream[00:24:51] <DeadYak> so evil[00:26:10] <Hodapp> joke's on you... IT'S BANANA FLAVORED[00:29:22] *** BuildFactory has joined #haiku[00:29:35] *** alpha-li1n is now known as alpha-lion[00:30:22] <DeadYak> Hodapp: how'd you know I didn't like bananas? :)[00:30:31] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[00:31:52] <Sikosis> berlios is down[00:35:00] <DeadYak> yep[00:35:11] <Sikosis> k ... just checking that it wasnt me[00:40:02] *** Atomozero has quit IRC[00:41:28] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[00:42:52] <umccullough_work> maybe berlios is fixing their mailing list problems ;)[00:43:17] <DeadYak> could be[00:43:27] <DeadYak> seems to only be SVN that's down, the host itself still replies[00:52:25] <umccullough_work> speaking of bananas... anyone heard from hugo lately?[00:54:32] *** oco has quit IRC[00:57:53] <Sikosis> ah its working now[01:04:54] <DeadYak> yeah[01:05:04] <DeadYak> umccullough_work: probably still settling in and stuff[01:14:37] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[01:14:40] *** fyysik has quit IRC[01:14:56] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[01:15:23] *** kokito has quit IRC[01:16:23] <DeadYak> up late again dr_evil? :)[01:17:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[01:17:24] *** bga has quit IRC[01:17:28] <dr_evil> just got home[01:17:38] <DeadYak> ah[01:35:08] *** kokito has joined #haiku[01:37:06] * DeadYak pets kokito[01:37:53] <kokito> greetings from Haiku[01:38:02] <kokito> going to test Japanese fonts[01:38:16] <kokito> in Haiku :)[01:39:10] * kokito is downloading a 17MB file[01:39:19] <kokito> let's see if the net stack holds[01:39:41] <kokito> not bad... downloaded at an average of 808K/s[01:39:44] <DeadYak> good luckk :)[01:39:55] <kokito> it's done :)[01:40:46] <DeadYak> woot[01:41:16] <kokito> hmmm... can't open the zip that I created in XP[01:41:37] <DeadYak> might want to md5sum that[01:41:38] <umccullough_work> eek[01:41:48] <umccullough_work> yeah, could have corrupted ;)[01:42:14] <umccullough_work> check exact bytesize also[01:42:21] <kokito> the file is fine; I can unzip it from terminal[01:42:23] <stargater> kokito: run unzip in the shell[01:42:28] <DeadYak> kokito: but... ?[01:42:31] <stargater> oh ok[01:42:45] <kokito> but what DeadYak?[01:42:52] <DeadYak> kokito: what was failing to open it then?[01:43:11] <kokito> the expander app[01:43:13] <DeadYak> ahh[01:45:45] <kokito> reboot[01:45:51] *** kokito has quit IRC[01:46:45] *** kokito has joined #haiku[01:46:47] <kokito> re[01:47:39] <stargater> wb[01:48:43] <dr_evil> hi kokito[01:49:31] <kokito> hi dr_evil[01:49:48] <kokito> dr_evil, nice work with the SATA drivers :)[01:50:24] <kokito> man, I love this font[01:51:42] * aldeck waves at dr_evil[01:51:49] <aldeck> hi dr_evil[01:52:13] <dr_evil> I aldeck, I just added a comment to your bug report[01:52:24] <aldeck> thanks to you i was able to run haiku on two recent machines :-D[01:52:35] <aldeck> yep, just read it[01:52:50] <dr_evil> thanks to me I was able to finally run haiku on my fastest machine :-)[01:52:54] <aldeck> i wanted to add that ide emulation worked on my a64 board[01:53:07] * umccullough_work needs to test haiku on his fastest machines soon also[01:53:30] * aldeck imagines dr_evil doing his evil laugh when he got ahci working![01:53:34] <dr_evil> our IDE stack is a little buggy I think, and also hard to understand[01:54:24] * dr_evil was too tired to laugh when ahci started working ;)[01:54:32] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[01:54:41] <aldeck> hehe, you worked hard[01:55:08] <aldeck> it's been many month since you started, no?[01:55:13] <dr_evil> I still want to add some more features[01:55:26] <dr_evil> aldeck yes, but I mostly hadn't time to work on it[01:55:41] <aldeck> yep, sure, i didn't even expected it to work that well already[01:55:53] <aldeck> hmm, ok[01:55:54] <dr_evil> just in the recent few weeks I found time to understand the spec and implement it[01:56:04] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[01:56:11] <aldeck> cool[01:56:51] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:58:24] *** rhu has quit IRC[02:00:43] <dr_evil> good night, 2 am already[02:01:07] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[02:01:27] *** rhu has joined #haiku[02:01:36] *** kokito has quit IRC[02:06:01] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[02:06:11] <plfiorini> hello[02:06:14] * plfiorini is checking out buildtools[02:06:31] <plfiorini> can't wait to compile haiku and install on a partition to test sata[02:07:53] <umccullough_work> yay![02:07:58] *** kokito has joined #haiku[02:07:59] <umccullough_work> what chipset, btw?[02:08:14] <umccullough_work> i have an ICH9 board at home i wanna test...[02:09:01] *** UndeadYak has joined #haiku[02:09:05] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[02:09:06] *** UndeadYak is now known as AnEvilYak[02:09:24] <plfiorini> umccullough_work: wait a second, it's an nforce anyway[02:09:49] <umccullough_work> plfiorini, i wasn't sure which nforce chips were AHCI compliant...do you know?[02:10:18] *** UndeadYak has joined #haiku[02:10:19] <plfiorini> nVidia Corporation MCP51 Serial ATA Controller (rev a1) (prog-if 85 [Master SecO PriO])[02:10:23] <UndeadYak> weeird.[02:10:29] <UndeadYak> Nvidia SATA is not AHCI afaik[02:10:30] <aldeck> i know my nforce3 is not[02:10:32] <UndeadYak> that's what this box is.[02:10:35] <plfiorini> Subsystem: ABIT Computer Corp. Unknown device 1c26[02:10:36] <UndeadYak> and this one is nforce 4.[02:10:49] <plfiorini> shit :([02:11:36] <plfiorini> i guess i should only build haiku images (maybe with gcc4)[02:11:39] *** MikeW has quit IRC[02:11:49] <umccullough_work> i have an MCP61 which i believe is supported by the legacy sata already in the tree[02:11:56] <DeadYak> plfiorini: there's a legacy_sata driver that supports the nforce SATA series[02:11:57] <plfiorini> and test if amd64 builds with gcc4[02:12:03] <DeadYak> plfiorini: that's what UndeadYak uses[02:12:09] <DeadYak> plfiorini: and Haiku is not 64-bit build safe atm[02:12:15] <umccullough_work> plfiorini, i think the legacy_sata driver supports nearly all nforce chips[02:12:28] <umccullough_work> oh, right - DeadYak said that :D[02:12:41] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[02:12:45] <plfiorini> DeadYak: ok i heard that 64bit builds should work, anyway on opensuse 10.3 i have also 32bit packages[02:13:05] *** Thomas___ has quit IRC[02:13:09] <DeadYak> plfiorini: 64-bit cross compile to 32-bit does work[02:13:12] <DeadYak> plfiorini: 64-bit native does not[02:13:21] <plfiorini> DeadYak: ok thanks[02:13:32] <plfiorini> umccullough_work: so there should be a chance to boot this computer with haiku[02:13:33] <umccullough_work> there's a configure option to --use-32-bit[02:13:40] <umccullough_work> plfiorini, definitely :)[02:13:50] <plfiorini> umccullough_work: yahoooooooooo!!![02:14:06] <umccullough_work> plfiorini, i haven't tested my MCP61 yet personally...[02:14:07] <aldeck> plfiorini: did you try ide emultaion in the bios?[02:14:16] <aldeck> *emulation[02:14:17] <umccullough_work> but i see both MCP51 and MCP61 listed in the legacy_sata driver's devids[02:14:21] <plfiorini> umccullough_work: ok so, let's try both crosscompile, gcc4 and sata![02:14:35] <umccullough_work> plfiorini, there are some recent issues with gcc4 builds, btw...just a warning[02:14:38] <plfiorini> aldeck: i didn't see any emulation option[02:14:41] <umccullough_work> some deadlock issues[02:14:55] <aldeck> plfiorini: hmm ok[02:15:15] *** TestYak has joined #haiku[02:15:22] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[02:15:23] *** TestYak is now known as AnEvilYak[02:15:26] <umccullough_work> damn, the channel is loaded with Yaks![02:15:38] <plfiorini> aldeck: but there should be one, sata can go in compatibility mode...[02:15:38] *** UndeadYak has quit IRC[02:15:42] <AnEvilYak> sorry, net stack stability issues[02:15:53] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[02:15:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[02:16:18] <plfiorini> umccullough_work: ok let's test less things this time, it's better to install haiku and fix some (easy) trac issues[02:16:39] <plfiorini> just to get into coding for haiku[02:17:44] <umccullough_work> plfiorini, probably best to start by compiling haiku images and making sure that works before building it to a partition ;)[02:18:37] <Sikosis> ive got 2 machines for native, one that works and one that doesnt (ie. says no boot device)[02:18:46] <plfiorini> umccullough_work: i agree but i was looking if is possible to jam both an image and install onto a partition (booting haiku on real hardware would be cooler :)[02:19:15] <umccullough_work> plfiorini, the easiest way to install to a partition is to change the image path/name to the device path/name[02:19:21] <umccullough_work> there are instructions on the haiku website[02:20:45] <aldeck> hehe, i'm dirtily doing a dd with a downloaded image (on a dedicated drive)[02:21:14] <aldeck> just bought a little sata drive just to test ahci[02:21:24] <umccullough_work> that works also, but if you put it on any partition besides the 1st, you must run makebootable, or change the offset in the first couple blocks[02:22:41] <plfiorini> http://haiku-os.org/documents/dev/getting_linux_developer_tools -> this should mention you need to install yacc[02:30:59] *** petterhj has quit IRC[02:32:42] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[02:34:01] *** Purposeless has joined #haiku[02:34:18] <Purposeless> R1 Alpha Milestone: I'm pretty excited![02:38:05] <Purposeless> Are there some IP laws that prevent Haiku from using a decorator identical to that of r5?[02:40:01] <DeadYak> there've been look and feel lawsuits before, though I doubt ACCESS cares[02:40:09] <DeadYak> though I honestly prefer the Haiku one[02:40:45] <Sikosis> plfiorini: what do u need yacc for ?[02:41:02] <DeadYak> Sikosis: needed for buildtools compile[02:41:51] <plfiorini> Sikosis: jam didn't build without it[02:41:55] <Sikosis> is it ? is it new ? or do some linux distro's come with yacc already[02:42:09] <plfiorini> yacc is not new :)[02:42:25] <plfiorini> neither ubuntu nor opensuse comes with buildtools installed by default[02:42:28] <DeadYak> yacc = the original predecessor of bison[02:42:37] <DeadYak> plfiorini: the ubuntu build instructions included what packages to install[02:42:46] <DeadYak> plfiorini: yacc gets installed by those if you run the apt-get it says to[02:42:57] <Sikosis> plfiorini: really ? im using ubuntu ... but I did install bison not yacc[02:43:23] <Sikosis> "Yet Another Compiler Compiler." ... thats a terrible name[02:43:39] <DeadYak> lol[02:43:42] <DeadYak> that's kinda what it is[02:43:46] <DeadYak> it's a language parser generator[02:44:07] <Sikosis> ah ... Bison: The GNU version of Yacc.[02:44:16] <DeadYak> exactly[02:44:30] <geist> flex & bison[02:45:01] <DeadYak> wonder if the VM'll be able to stand up to compiling things now[02:45:24] <plfiorini> DeadYak: what i meant was "is it possible to add the buildtools you need to the the howto because they are reported only by the comments on that page?" but i'm lazy at 2:45 AM :P[02:45:36] <plfiorini> sorry[02:46:04] <DeadYak> plfiorini: leavengood posted a complete guide to installing on ubuntu somewhere[02:46:15] <DeadYak> plfiorini: including a copy and paste apt-get line that installs everything needed[02:46:40] <DeadYak> plfiorini: see http://haiku-os.org/documents/dev/building_haiku_on_ubuntu_linux_step_by_step[02:46:54] <umccullough_work> yeah, there are more documents also :P[02:47:01] <umccullough_work> they all need to be consolidated and arranged better[02:47:20] <umccullough_work> i'd volunteer, but... i'm not motivated enough[02:47:22] <kokito> plfiorini, this one too: http://haiku-os.org/documents/dev/building_haiku_on_ubuntu_linux_step_by_step[02:47:26] <Purposeless> as well as the pdfs available on the stie: i had a hell of a time finding the programmers guide[02:47:47] <plfiorini> ok got the wrong page, if there's already a step by step that's fine[02:47:54] <umccullough_work> Sikosis, didn't you publish a "how to" also?[02:48:10] *** aldeck has quit IRC[02:48:17] <Sikosis> http://blog.sikosis.com/?page_id=36[02:49:25] <Purposeless> what ever happened to the 'bedrivers' site?[02:50:54] <Purposeless> Sikosis: are you still playing with HIDE?[02:52:01] <Sikosis> Purposeless: havent for ages, but lately i dusted off the old code[02:53:46] <Sikosis> bedrivers.com is still around ... though mainly lives on via the forums ... the site got hacked and a lot of the site was lost then[03:10:57] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[03:16:12] *** stargater has quit IRC[03:19:12] <umccullough_work> going home[03:19:17] *** umccullough_work has quit IRC[03:22:30] <plfiorini> it's too late, going to sleep hoping buildtools will be built for tomorrow[03:22:40] *** plfiorini is now known as pl_zZzZz[03:37:54] *** M_199 has joined #haiku[03:39:42] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[03:40:10] <Megaf> anybody from Brazil here?[03:51:13] <pyCube> so my wife tells me that the most stoelen book from the bookstore she works at... the bible[03:51:38] <cps1966> it should be free[03:52:42] *** judgen has joined #haiku[03:54:19] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[03:54:25] *** M199 has quit IRC[03:55:17] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[03:55:44] *** cyrann has joined #haiku[04:01:01] *** judgen has quit IRC[04:04:44] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[04:13:11] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[04:15:55] *** Penix has joined #haiku[04:16:35] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[04:18:20] *** Megaf has quit IRC[04:21:52] <Purposeless> Are the system folders in Haiku going to be renamed /boot/Haiku as opposed to /boot/BeOS?[04:27:30] *** cyrann has quit IRC[04:31:31] <Ketsuban> I am at my wit's end.[04:32:05] <Ketsuban> Would someone PLEASE point me to a utility which will either take in a line of illegible Shift-JIS gibberish and turn it into readable Unicode or (better) fix the tags on these MP3s so they're Unicode?[04:33:05] *** kennyjb402 has quit IRC[04:36:34] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[04:38:33] <kad77> ketsuban: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/packages/ccic/software/dos/convert/uc0103.txt[04:38:42] <kad77> utilities exist[04:39:41] <Ketsuban> I don't want to compile source code.[04:46:34] <AnEvilYak> could someone do me a quick favor? hit up http://www.bebits.com/app/2680 and grab a working URL for the dev tools package?[04:46:43] <AnEvilYak> I have no web browser over here atm :/[04:51:56] <cps1966> http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/beos/beos/BeOS5-DevTools.zip[04:52:04] <AnEvilYak> thanks :)[04:54:00] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[04:54:41] <cps1966> http://ftp.bebits.com/pub/beos/BeOS5-DevTools.zip[04:54:50] <AnEvilYak> first one worked thanks :)[04:56:46] *** rcjsuen_ is now known as rcjsuen[04:57:25] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[04:57:47] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[04:57:54] <AnEvilYak> hmm....[04:58:00] <AnEvilYak> is it forcedeth or the net stack that keeps hanging on me...[05:00:15] *** Purposeless has quit IRC[05:05:40] *** UndeadYak has joined #haiku[05:06:00] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[05:06:00] *** UndeadYak is now known as AnEvilYak[05:09:34] <umccullough> AnEvilYak, any luck yet?[05:09:41] <umccullough> with the build env that is?[05:10:02] <geist> meep?[05:10:13] <umccullough> :)[05:10:28] <geist> my windows box once again failed to come out of sleep[05:10:35] <umccullough> yeah, that's BS[05:10:47] <geist> it has been doing so well[05:10:49] <umccullough> of course, none of my machines *ever* sleep :D[05:10:58] <geist> but something must have changed, so it's bad times now[05:11:11] <umccullough> something changed on this machine at some point, it no longer warm-reboots[05:11:16] <umccullough> at least, not out of windows[05:11:25] *** TestYak has joined #haiku[05:11:30] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[05:11:37] <umccullough> TesticleYak, any luck?[05:11:44] <Sikosis> http://m3.picsdown.com/piles/?s=walmartdress[05:12:20] <umccullough> nice[05:12:39] * umccullough dresses like a pimp when going to walmart[05:13:02] <cps1966> i think ppl should lose wieght before going[05:13:03] <umccullough> ok, this machine is going down for a bit... bbiab[05:13:11] *** umccullough has quit IRC[05:13:18] *** TestYak has quit IRC[05:13:35] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[05:13:38] <AnEvilYak> grrr.[05:13:46] <AnEvilYak> where'd he go?[05:19:10] <pyCube> yonder[05:20:06] <Sikosis> who urias ? he said "ok, this machine is going down for a bit... bbiab"[05:20:11] <DeadYak> ah[05:20:31] <DeadYak> time to look at the bug database...seem to have some interesting IDE issues[05:22:04] <DeadYak> hm...interesting, no mention[05:22:30] <Sikosis> IDE drive ?[05:23:37] <DeadYak> ATAPI CD drive[05:23:40] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[05:23:41] <DeadYak> not seeing anything I stick in it[05:23:54] <umccullough> damn, it can't be good when your windows box doesn't finish shutting down[05:24:04] <DeadYak> that used to happen to me with w2k all the time[05:24:26] <umccullough> i wonder if it's because i didn't shutdown the 10 NT4 vmware instances first[05:24:37] <DeadYak> hahaha.[05:24:40] <umccullough> i just remembered about those...[05:24:48] <DeadYak> how do you forget you have that running?[05:24:55] <umccullough> vmware server runs them in teh background[05:25:07] <umccullough> out of sight...[05:25:12] <umccullough> you know[05:25:45] <umccullough> sort of a distributed computing thing, so they pretty much run 24x7[05:26:08] <Sikosis> yeh I'd say that might have had something to do with it ;)[05:26:23] <umccullough> you think? i don't know what vmware server does when you shutdown the host[05:26:43] <DeadYak> dunno but it'd have to be shutting down and cleaning up all of those[05:26:48] <DeadYak> and given how aggressive windows is about paging..[05:26:54] <umccullough> hopefully it's just "suspending" them[05:27:01] <DeadYak> I'd be guessing it was having to page most of the kernel back into mem in order to shut down[05:27:12] <umccullough> it has 2gb ram...[05:27:17] <DeadYak> doesn't matter[05:27:30] <DeadYak> even with gobs of RAM and plenty free windows is hyper about paging stuff out to make more room for cache[05:27:57] <umccullough> well, to make it worse, there hasn't been any disk activity for a few minutes[05:29:59] *** etteyafed has joined #haiku[05:31:52] <umccullough> ah, i saw the hd light flicker![05:50:35] <AnEvilYak> yay flicker[05:51:30] <Sikosis> or flickr even[05:51:36] <AnEvilYak> haha[05:57:19] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[05:57:20] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[05:57:47] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[06:00:59] * kokito wonders what AnEvilYak is up to...[06:04:12] * umccullough knows[06:04:21] <umccullough> ok, switching back to my other box, bbib[06:04:24] *** rainman has joined #haiku[06:04:27] *** umccullough has quit IRC[06:05:04] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[06:09:45] *** kad77 has quit IRC[06:13:43] <umccullough> 1[06:13:46] <umccullough> oops[06:14:20] <etteyafed> I wish Bill would go nuts and OSS all the windows code[06:14:21] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[06:15:41] <geist> bill doesn't run that company anymore[06:15:50] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[06:16:05] *** Ketsuban has joined #haiku[06:17:13] <umccullough> ok, i forget how this works - how do I reconfigure the driver xorg uses?[06:17:22] <etteyafed> I know he doesn't but I don't know who else to wish to release the code. i guess "I wish MS would release the windows code" dosen't sound as good to my ears.[06:17:43] <etteyafed> umc from x or on a terminal?.[06:17:43] <umccullough> etteyafed, why not just wish they'd lose all the code instead? ;)[06:17:43] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[06:17:48] <umccullough> terminal[06:18:03] <Sikosis> id rather see them run into the ground[06:18:10] <etteyafed> umccullough: Because that would be somewhat of a waste.[06:18:24] <umccullough> it would? oh...right, yes..[06:18:25] <Sikosis> and see ppl taking a stand with their dollars[06:18:38] <etteyafed> I just want all the code under a bsd style lisence[06:18:55] <umccullough> they just need to take the kernel and start over[06:19:03] <geist> yo momma[06:19:05] <umccullough> i mean, start over with just the kernel[06:19:07] <AnEvilYak> who's they and what kernel?[06:19:10] <Sikosis> i think its funny that MS has had to extend support for XP[06:19:29] <etteyafed> They is MS and the kernel is NT 5[06:19:33] <AnEvilYak> ah.[06:19:39] <etteyafed> or 5.?.?[06:19:50] <cps1966> yeah and offering upgrade for vista to xp[06:20:16] <cps1966> no charge[06:20:45] <Sikosis> and office is just bloated now ... seems like someone could make a killing if they had a good feature set office suite that was compatibly with office docs[06:20:53] <etteyafed> But what the heck IS vista really. i have it and can't figure out what makes it truly different besides a new gui theme and a differently organised menu.[06:21:13] <etteyafed> Sikosis: And it wasn't bloated before?[06:21:30] <etteyafed> Compat, like OOo[06:21:34] <Sikosis> well Outlook 2003 isnt bad[06:21:36] <etteyafed> ?[06:21:42] <AnEvilYak> etteyafed: totally new display subsystem, totally new audio subsystem, transactional filesystem, there's a huge list of new stuff that isn't necessarily user-visible[06:21:58] <Sikosis> well OO is kinda compatible ... but I know for all the documents we use at work .. OO couldnt handle them[06:22:00] <AnEvilYak> and plenty of that would be quite interesting for apps in the long run[06:23:26] <etteyafed> AnEvilYak: Ahh. Well I will admit that I DO like the feel of it better than the other releases, but it does not really seem that different as far as how well it performs or in the ways it does things. But then again I haven't used Win regularly since Win 98.[06:23:56] <AnEvilYak> etteyafed: well, sure, the user experience isn't going to change all that much, that rarely changes in huge ways between OS revs on any major platform[06:24:52] <AnEvilYak> I mean, most of the stuff in newer OSX releases besides a slight facelift to the skin is new toys for developers, you just notice it more immediately because there's new releases of iMovie and friends that take advantage of that stuff to go with it[06:25:15] <etteyafed> Sikosis: I use OOo at work for everything we do with no issues. However we are starting to move to OOo on windows also. So there is an effort to get everyone on board and trained.[06:27:28] <etteyafed> We are using Office 2000 still in many places so most of the docs are in older formats. That makes it easier for OOo. We decided the expense to upgrade 150+ workstations with Office 2007 was not worth it[06:28:06] <etteyafed> You know, CBA and all.[06:28:29] * pyCube swigs some maté[06:29:08] <Sikosis> etteyafed: do u use tables in word documents and mail merging ?[06:29:13] <AnEvilYak> brb[06:29:20] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[06:29:58] <etteyafed> I am not an Office jocky. We use tables, but what is mail merging?[06:30:51] <Sikosis> where u have one file that has the data ... usually in comma separated values ... and the other is a template with say a letter ... and the data will be all the addresses[06:34:27] <etteyafed> I don't think we do those kinds of things that way. We have a ton of templates, and we have alot of places where the tables have info straight from the DB in them, and some pure XML docs, but I haven't heard of any csv data/template docs[06:35:13] <etteyafed> Almost all of our pluggable data is in the[06:35:23] <etteyafed> DB[06:35:24] <umccullough> ok, how do I make this thing use the right xorg driver?[06:35:44] <etteyafed> from the console umc?[06:35:53] <pyCube> umccullough: what thing?[06:35:55] <etteyafed> and what thing?[06:36:19] <etteyafed> just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf[06:36:48] <etteyafed> pastebin the /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you need help with it.[06:37:13] <umccullough> pyCube, this stupid ass intel-based mobo with ubuntu on it[06:37:22] <pyCube> 7.04?[06:37:36] <umccullough> yes[06:37:37] <geist> hmm, I think DeadYak just found a bug[06:37:59] <etteyafed> umccullough: what chipset?[06:38:04] <etteyafed> 915?[06:38:40] <umccullough> no, newer...looking[06:38:55] <umccullough> G33[06:38:56] <pyCube> i mean ubuntu fiesty, or is it gutsy beta?[06:39:06] <umccullough> GMA3100\[06:39:08] <etteyafed> Lappity toppity or Deskie Toppie[06:39:15] <umccullough> pyCube, it's 7.04[06:39:17] <etteyafed> cool[06:39:20] <etteyafed> desktop[06:39:32] <umccullough> fiesty[06:39:49] <umccullough> used to run on my geforce 6100 mobo[06:39:56] <umccullough> i swapped the HD to this machine[06:40:16] <umccullough> maybe i need to remove the nv driver[06:40:23] <pyCube> no[06:40:40] <pyCube> an xorg conf edit should work[06:40:47] <etteyafed> just edit the config file to use the correct driver[06:40:55] <etteyafed> but what card is it?[06:41:15] <umccullough> that's great, but i have very little clue how to edit the xorg.conf - i mean i know where it is and all...[06:41:29] <umccullough> the card is a GMA3100[06:41:34] <umccullough> integrated intel video[06:41:35] <cps1966> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to do it correctly[06:41:44] <umccullough> cps1966, thanks...hopefully that's what i need[06:43:49] <umccullough> hmm...[06:44:10] <umccullough> maybe this chip is too new[06:44:48] <cps1966> look on xorg[06:45:10] <etteyafed> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=509408 this should help umccullough[06:45:38] <umccullough> using vesa now[06:46:47] <etteyafed> i would not follow what they say in that forum, just some of the links are good[06:47:01] *** pyCube has quit IRC[06:47:12] <etteyafed> like the one to the intel driver[06:47:26] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[06:47:46] <umccullough> the only reason i wanted to run linux on this box was so I could build/install haiku to test the ICH9 controller :P[06:48:06] <umccullough> so, i think i'll probably just stick with VESA for now[06:48:10] <umccullough> or CLI[06:48:34] <umccullough> oh f'ing joy - now the mouse doesn't work[06:48:45] <umccullough> PS2 even[06:50:06] <cps1966> who needs a mouse[06:50:52] <umccullough> reboot fixed it[06:50:59] *** Purposeless has joined #haiku[06:51:25] <umccullough> guess it's been a while since i've run this install[06:51:33] <umccullough> 167mb of updates available :([06:52:01] <etteyafed> umccullough: I think i found it. You need a backport of the new driver for fisty[06:52:10] <etteyafed> fiesty*[06:52:21] *** umccullough_ has joined #haiku[06:52:28] *** umccullough_ is now known as umccullough_ubu[06:52:32] <etteyafed> at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=494943 there is a link to the download.[06:53:03] <umccullough> etteyafed, maybe i should just update to gutsy[06:54:20] *** rainman has quit IRC[06:54:29] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[06:54:30] <cps1966> ahh the new xorg 7.3 supports g33[06:55:24] <umccullough_ubu> isn't there a place somewhere to tell it to update the entire os?[06:55:35] <umccullough_ubu> or, does that only work with stable releases?[06:55:56] <DeadYak> apt-get update?[06:56:03] <cps1966> apt-get update&&dist-upgrade[06:56:14] <etteyafed> well well it will be stable soon so it is not a big wait. i get 130mb updates almost daily with gutsy, and almost every other day something new breaks for at least a few hours.[06:56:14] <umccullough_ubu> ok[06:56:22] <umccullough_ubu> was thinking it was possible from the GUI[06:56:39] <umccullough_ubu> ok, nevermind - vesa is fine for now[06:57:11] <etteyafed> umccullough_ubu: : yes the update-manager will do a dist upgrade[06:57:34] <etteyafed> just need to up again after the first major upgrade[06:57:40] <umccullough_ubu> oh crap, i thought i already had a haiku source tree on this HD :P[06:57:51] <umccullough_ubu> guess that was only on my laptop[06:58:07] <etteyafed> actually the backport might be in the repo by now[06:58:23] <etteyafed> just make sure the backport repo is enabled[06:59:59] <etteyafed> I guess I need to delete my windows partition. I don't really use it it is just that it gives me a strange sense of pride.[07:01:40] <cps1966> svn checkout svn://svn.berlios.de/haiku/haiku/trunk trunk[07:01:41] <etteyafed> It is the first legal copy of windows I have ever gotten.[07:01:56] <umccullough_ubu> cps1966: yes, already running :)[07:02:08] <etteyafed> berlios is back up?[07:02:11] <etteyafed> good[07:02:15] <umccullough_ubu> cps1966: the problem is, my connection is only 144kbps[07:02:43] <umccullough_ubu> and i was already downloading 167mb of updates, and 140mb new version of vmware server[07:02:47] <cps1966> better than dun[07:02:48] <umccullough_ubu> so i killed the updates[07:02:56] <etteyafed> i remember the days when we had to make do with 14.4[07:02:58] *** SprMa has quit IRC[07:03:23] <umccullough_ubu> well, fortunately in those days stuff was smaller[07:03:36] <etteyafed> just because it had to be.[07:03:49] <umccullough_ubu> disk space was limited as well...[07:03:56] <etteyafed> there was big stuff i wanted but couldnt get.[07:04:31] <etteyafed> like whole games that took days and audio taking forever on a 28.8[07:04:48] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[07:04:49] <umccullough_ubu> when i was on dialup, i had to calculate whether I could download large files in 8 hours or less...cuz after connecting to my ISP, they dropped after 8 hours of uptime guaranteed[07:05:01] <etteyafed> i had a sftp server on a 56k and it took my friends forever to get music off it.[07:05:07] *** SprMa has quit IRC[07:05:51] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[07:06:39] *** SprMa has quit IRC[07:07:34] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[07:20:26] *** umccullough_ubu has quit IRC[07:26:55] *** Purposeless has left #haiku[07:30:10] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:43:01] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[07:43:59] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[07:43:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[07:57:29] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[07:59:46] <etteyafed> no dr_evil[07:59:58] <etteyafed> I got haiku to boot on my laptop[08:00:40] <etteyafed> problem it it crashes if i open up more than one window per app[08:00:51] <etteyafed> or more than two apps[08:01:44] <etteyafed> maybe i need to disable HT for my C2D M but it should be disabled by default for C@D[08:01:47] <etteyafed> c@d[08:02:46] <geist> C2d != HT[08:02:57] <etteyafed> i know[08:03:14] <etteyafed> i was just trying to figure out why it was crashing so much.[08:03:40] <etteyafed> the ahci driver works on my 945GMS[08:05:12] <etteyafed> Is there something I can change in the config before build to disable some feature or make it work better on that cpu?[08:05:30] <etteyafed> T5400[08:09:43] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[08:10:42] <umccullough> i think there's a boot option to disable SMP[08:10:53] <umccullough> dunno if it works[08:11:23] <etteyafed> whare would i look?[08:12:09] <umccullough> hit spacebar before boot[08:12:14] <etteyafed> could also be because i HAD to compile with gcc4. 2.9 would not work[08:12:25] <umccullough> oh yeah, there are current issues with gcc4[08:12:26] <etteyafed> that will bring up options[08:12:40] <etteyafed> ?[08:13:02] <umccullough> i dunno, some deadlock/crashing issues reported on the mailing list yesterday regarding gcc4[08:13:08] <umccullough> last couple days actually[08:13:19] <umccullough> "HAD" to compile gcc4? must be a 64-bit machine?[08:13:24] *** SprMa_ has joined #haiku[08:13:25] <etteyafed> i knew that 4 was working quite well in vmware testing a while ago.[08:13:35] <umccullough> recently got broke apparently[08:13:49] <umccullough> marcus ran into it just before he finished the AHCI driver[08:13:52] <umccullough> he also uses C2D[08:14:00] <umccullough> he reported it worked with gcc2[08:14:26] <umccullough> don't ask me why - i just report what i hear :)[08:15:21] <Sikosis> in other words don't believe a word umccullough says ... :P[08:15:32] <umccullough> heh[08:15:58] <etteyafed> it is 64 bit but the 2.9 looked like they were building ok but i got an error that i could not seem to fix at install. configure detects my system as x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu and it NEEDS to be x86_64-linux-gnu to install properly.[08:16:27] <umccullough> gcc2 wasn't designed to build on a 64bit system[08:17:00] <umccullough> maybe there's a way to build it for 32bit mode?[08:17:21] <umccullough> Sikosis, i'm ramping up my VMs[08:17:25] *** eric_j has quit IRC[08:17:28] <umccullough> i have 15 of them running on my machine at work now[08:17:31] <etteyafed> i generated the code for 32 bit and it built ok, just make failed at the install[08:18:14] <etteyafed> and with build tools and cross compiliers it is kindof important that they install[08:18:23] *** eric_j has joined #haiku[08:19:21] <etteyafed> i swear there should be an easy workaround, but whatever i did configure still messed up detecting my arch[08:20:04] <etteyafed> and there are many configure scrpits and they are big some of them so i can't hack them all.[08:23:56] <etteyafed> maybe if i use gcc 29.x as the compilier to build the tools[08:24:33] <Sikosis> umccullough: 15 !!! ... holy crap[08:26:31] <umccullough> Sikosis, i could have gone more - but i figured 15 was good ;)[08:26:39] <umccullough> i'm setting up 15 on this machine also[08:26:53] <umccullough> i rolled them all down to only 48mb ram for each guest, that's helping[08:27:48] <Sikosis> and u have 2GB in the main system ... thats amazing ...[08:28:41] <Sikosis> but the 64 million dollar question is ... where u able to register the agents in dimes ?[08:28:46] <umccullough> yes[08:28:53] <Sikosis> you suck :P[08:29:05] <umccullough> but these don't have to be registered anyway - i registered one and copied the VM[08:29:22] <umccullough> i did register two more agents though...[08:29:30] <umccullough> you just have to keep trying until it gets to the next step[08:29:35] <Sikosis> i thought u had to do them separate to have them unique[08:29:53] <umccullough> my VMs have the same agent name as the host they're running on ;)[08:30:33] *** SprMa has quit IRC[08:30:49] <Sikosis> i thought they'd have to be unique ... so i copied the vms before installing dimes and then installed dimes[08:31:33] <Sikosis> i got 2 working and 1 not ... tried uninstalling and reinstalling but it fails to register ... i cant even get it to join team haiku ... and its been processing units[08:31:36] <umccullough> oh bummer[08:31:48] <umccullough> you can have as many on the same agent name as you want[08:32:02] <umccullough> i recommend getting a vm all setup exactly perfect, then copy it[08:32:14] <umccullough> all you have to do is change the machine name after starting it up[08:32:30] <etteyafed> umccullough: What is your goal in this endevor[08:32:39] <Sikosis> http://www.netdimes.org/new/data.php?userName=sikosis[08:32:44] <umccullough> etteyafed, it's a distributed computing thing...hard to explain[08:33:01] <umccullough> it's not even CPU-intensive :P[08:33:05] <etteyafed> I see. Or rather i don't see ;)[08:33:18] <etteyafed> Well i know what dist comp is[08:33:27] <Sikosis> see ive got this TC02A ... and TC02AA and sikosis_Agent_6 and sikosis_Agent_10 ... they're all agents registered from the same machine[08:33:28] <etteyafed> so i have a head start[08:33:31] <umccullough> we're actually talking in the wrong channel :D usually we chat in #teamhaiku[08:33:49] <Sikosis> true ... u're usually in bed by now :P[08:34:00] <umccullough> nah, it's not midnight yet[08:34:15] <etteyafed> this project is related to haiku as a dist net or cluster type situation?[08:34:32] <umccullough> etteyafed, it's just promotional stuff - not directly related to haiku[08:34:42] <umccullough> mostly just for fun[08:34:46] *** agony has joined #haiku[08:35:05] <umccullough> just to show other dc teams that we're not a bunch of whiny wimps ;)[08:35:16] <etteyafed> well have fun indeed.[08:35:41] <etteyafed> I say go get 'em champ![08:35:48] <Sikosis> umccullough: hey did u change any host settings for your VM server ?[08:35:51] <umccullough> i'm personally taking on the country of Russia with my Dimes stuff[08:36:04] <umccullough> nope[08:36:39] <Sikosis> i just saw in there it says "How much host RAM should the system be able to reserve for all running virtual machines ?"[08:36:55] <Sikosis> mine it says 378MB ... that would explain why I can only get 3 VMs running[08:37:00] <umccullough> didn't change it...although that might help me on one of my machines[08:37:07] <umccullough> http://stats.free-dc.org/new/userstats.php?proj=dimes&name=umccullough[08:37:21] <umccullough> you can see there which of my agents are duplicated[08:37:26] <umccullough> they make a lot of work[08:37:35] * umccullough is moving this discussion to #teamhaiku[08:41:00] *** kr1stof_ has joined #haiku[08:41:45] <pl_zZzZz> Invalid configuration `x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `x86_64-unknown' not recognized[08:41:47] <pl_zZzZz> damn![08:41:56] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[08:42:04] *** 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<pl_zZzZz> ok now i run linux32 bash[08:45:53] <umccullough> those are all built with the host compiler, not the cross-compiler[08:46:13] <pl_zZzZz> and that line of configure, let's see but gcc -v still reports x86_64-suse-linux[08:46:32] <pl_zZzZz> don't know where `x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu comes from[08:46:46] <umccullough> the gcc2 configure script most likely[08:46:53] <pl_zZzZz> uhg![08:46:57] <pl_zZzZz> checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu[08:47:04] <pl_zZzZz> maybe linux32 helps[08:47:14] <etteyafed> pl_zZzZz: i am working on that[08:47:16] <pl_zZzZz> since uname -m reports i686[08:47:23] <pl_zZzZz> just a wild guess[08:47:49] <pl_zZzZz> etteyafed: good, anyway if with linux32 works i will report you[08:48:04] <pl_zZzZz> damn, gotta clean my face and go to work[08:48:07] <etteyafed> it wont wortk[08:48:14] <pl_zZzZz> ok :([08:52:14] *** kokito has quit IRC[08:52:15] <pl_zZzZz> going to work , good bye[08:52:20] <etteyafed> i am trying different options[08:52:24] <etteyafed> c-ya[08:52:27] <pl_zZzZz> cya[08:52:32] *** pl_zZzZz has quit IRC[08:55:27] *** magnetron has joined #haiku[09:06:05] *** kokito has joined #haiku[09:06:15] *** SDr has joined #haiku[09:06:34] *** SDragon has quit IRC[09:07:11] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:15:22] * umccullough goes to sleep[09:17:30] *** etteyafed is now known as etteyafed_away[09:39:00] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[09:45:11] *** kokito has quit IRC[09:48:53] *** Euver has joined #haiku[09:55:06] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[10:02:34] *** SprMa_ has quit IRC[10:12:29] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:16:47] *** agony_ has joined #haiku[10:20:42] <Ingenu> hi[10:28:17] *** agony has quit IRC[10:47:54] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[10:47:57] <Stargater> moin[10:52:09] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[10:59:18] *** frodobeg25 has quit IRC[11:13:38] *** Hummin has quit IRC[11:19:13] *** Begasus has quit IRC[11:23:39] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[11:28:02] *** frodobeg25 has joined #haiku[11:34:38] *** 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appartment[14:21:24] <Thom_Holwerda> open up the case to the box i want to cram it into[14:21:33] <Thom_Holwerda> and then i realise it dont fit[14:21:38] <Thom_Holwerda> turns out it's agp after all[14:21:42] <Darknesss> hehe[14:21:45] <Thom_Holwerda> just doesnt have the little 'hook'[14:22:21] <Thom_Holwerda> it's not a shabby card either, a matrox millenium g200[14:22:28] <Thom_Holwerda> great 2d performance[14:22:46] <fyysik> stippi - patch to branch (was in trunk only till now) for proper closing (shutdown incl.) is now in tree. So nex FF build will close properly in all situations[14:23:03] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:23:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[14:23:21] *** Thom_r5 has joined #haiku[14:23:30] *** Euver has quit IRC[14:31:20] *** SprMa has quit IRC[14:33:57] <dr_evil> hi stippi, mmu_man[14:34:59] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[14:35:40] <mmu_man> PLOP[14:35:44] <stippi> fyysik: ah, that's good news[14:39:45] *** fyysik has quit IRC[14:41:18] <Begasus> added newsitem to BeBUB Darknesss ;)[14:41:59] *** BePower has quit IRC[14:42:28] <Darknesss> Begasus, link?[14:42:49] <Begasus> http://www.bebug.be/newsitem.php?index=458&language=3[14:42:58] <Begasus> you should have that in your bookmarks :P[14:43:02] <Darknesss> ah, bebuG :)[14:44:18] <Darknesss> the issue with the attributes in your screenshot is fixed in this release[14:44:43] <Begasus> need to check it (when I would run windows) ;)[14:45:47] <Darknesss> that's why I didn't release it earlier, I wanted to get at least that right first[14:46:08] <Begasus> ;)[14:46:11] <Begasus> checking ....[14:52:53] *** rhu has quit IRC[14:57:05] <Begasus> hmm still strange data on the properties on bfs Darknesss[15:00:40] *** rhu has joined #haiku[15:04:37] <petterhj> does it only work with OpenBFS?[15:05:39] <Begasus> does openbfs work? ;)[15:06:07] * Begasus ducks[15:06:34] <Begasus> mailed you some screenies and the debug file Darknesss[15:06:42] <petterhj> I just noticed it read my Haiku disk, not my R5 disk..[15:07:19] *** stargater has joined #haiku[15:07:22] <stargater> re[15:08:26] <Begasus> I still create my haiku partitions from R5 or Zeta ...[15:09:23] <Begasus> still need to reinstall SkyOS ... tss ... ;)[15:10:12] *** emitrax__ has joined #haiku[15:15:14] <stargater> reboot[15:15:16] *** stargater has quit IRC[15:15:42] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[15:17:07] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:17:15] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[15:17:17] <Stargater> re[15:17:32] <dr_evil> wow, when I set the Jmicron controller to "IDE" mode in BIOS, the SATA part (function 1) completely disappears from PCI bus, only the PATA controller (function 0) remains[15:17:51] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[15:20:12] <DeadYak> dr_evil: oh nice[15:20:31] <DeadYak> dr_evil: so in effect you wouldn't even be able to force it to SATA mode any more?[15:22:05] <dr_evil> correct, but I don't think thats an issue anyway[15:23:22] <Darknesss> petterhj, the BFS variant that haiku uses, I guess that's the openbfs[15:24:50] <petterhj> Darknesss; yes, and since thats what SkyFS is based on, I guess thats why :)[15:24:56] <Darknesss> ;)[15:25:05] <Darknesss> reading is basicly identical[15:25:14] <Darknesss> hence the compatibility[15:25:45] <Darknesss> Begasus, did it read the R5 disk before?[15:27:32] <Begasus> could be Darknesss[15:27:50] <Begasus> but haven't changed the setup yet here ...[15:28:00] <Begasus> so it still could be a thing from the partitions here ...[15:28:12] <Begasus> maybe some others can check it too ...[15:33:20] <Darknesss> and Begasus, you didn't send the logfile ;)[15:33:43] <Begasus> plop[15:34:00] <Darknesss> those weird attributes might be due to not being text or numbers?[15:34:08] <Begasus> http://www.flickr.com/photos/begasus/1476456685/[15:34:11] <Darknesss> as mentioned on the downloadpage ;)[15:34:23] <Darknesss> hehe[15:34:24] <Begasus> could very well be yeah[15:34:42] <Begasus> Ri-li running on R5 (multi language) ;)[15:36:09] <Begasus> hmm .. there is no logfile in the folder Darknesss ?[15:36:23] <Darknesss> no debuglog.txt?[15:36:29] <Begasus> nope[15:36:39] <Darknesss> I see it right there on your screenshot :D[15:37:12] <Begasus> jikes ...[15:37:19] <Begasus> you only got one image?[15:37:24] <Begasus> eg jpg?[15:37:24] <Darknesss> yes[15:37:29] <Begasus> ah k ...[15:37:32] <Begasus> bugger ...[15:37:43] <Begasus> thought I mailed all 3 at once ;)[15:38:06] <Darknesss> :)[15:38:19] <Begasus> that will be for the next time ;)[15:38:34] <Darknesss> I see that on your screenshot, some files do not have an icon, are those symlinks?[15:39:09] <Darknesss> like 'develop' and 'preferences'[15:39:19] <Begasus> those should be folders[15:39:35] <Begasus> rebooting the pc ;)[15:39:37] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[15:39:45] <Darknesss> I thought I added an icon for symlinks, if those are normal folders then that's really weird[15:39:51] <Begasus> should be up (xp) in a few minutes :P[15:40:19] <Begasus> could be that those are folders with an svg icon attached?[15:41:31] *** BePower has joined #haiku[15:41:48] <Darknesss> no, that icon would just show up as an attribute I guess[15:42:09] <Darknesss> symlink to a folder? :p[15:42:17] <Begasus> hmm that could be yeah[15:42:32] <Begasus> develop is normaly linked to /boot/beos/etc/develop[15:43:55] <Darknesss> :)[15:44:46] <Begasus> think those are the Zeta partitions with symlinks[15:44:54] <Begasus> the R5 apair regular[15:50:39] <Begasus> mailed the log ...[15:53:40] <Darknesss> which one is the R5 one?[15:54:17] <Darknesss> ah, first one I guess[15:54:25] <Begasus> the one without the symlinks ;)[15:54:48] <Begasus> first second and fifth I think ....[15:55:21] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[15:55:36] <Darknesss> all seem to mount except 1[15:55:49] <Darknesss> Volume::Mount: diskSize < (NumBlocks() << BlockShift()): 1077479424, 10742182912[15:56:01] <Darknesss> it's that one failing some basic size check[15:56:09] <Darknesss> name = haiku[15:56:10] <Begasus> 1,3 and 6[15:56:25] <Darknesss> \Device\HardDisk1\Partition3[15:56:33] <Begasus> yeah probly some bad partitions ...[15:56:56] <Begasus> working so far in R5 and ZETA ... so no imediate repartitioning for me atm[15:57:05] <Darknesss> :)[15:58:13] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[15:58:20] *** emitrax__ has quit IRC[15:58:24] <Darknesss> the partition with name=BeOS_R5 loads fine[15:59:00] <Begasus> the one marked R5 should also .. ;)[15:59:40] *** emitrax__ has joined #haiku[16:02:38] <Darknesss> looks like I'm just not assigning the icon :)[16:05:37] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[16:17:07] *** wildur_ has joined #Haiku[16:17:44] *** wildur has quit IRC[16:27:43] *** meisje has joined #haiku[16:28:50] *** lorglas has quit IRC[16:30:47] <dr_evil> bummer, I can't call a static C++ method from a c file[16:34:28] <stippi> dr_evil: rename the c file... :-)[16:36:55] <dr_evil> hi stippi[16:37:02] <stippi> hi[16:37:11] <dr_evil> I decided to make it a global function instead[16:37:14] <stippi> I am gonna try again on that P35[16:38:57] <dr_evil> whats a P35?[16:39:11] <Darknesss> dr_evil, define it as extern "C" ?[16:39:24] <Darknesss> I mean, the c++ function[16:43:06] <DeadYak> Darknesss: I'd assume he means of the form class A { public: static void SomeFunc(); }[16:43:12] <DeadYak> which you can't really extern "C" out :)[16:43:25] <Darknesss> no, indeed :)[16:49:57] *** meisje has quit IRC[16:50:03] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[16:52:08] *** Stargater has quit IRC[16:52:37] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[16:55:37] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[16:57:50] *** dos4gw has joined #haiku[16:58:12] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[16:58:13] *** dos4gw is now known as dr_evil[16:58:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[16:58:27] <dr_evil> wow massive thunderstorm just passed by[16:59:05] <DeadYak> send it here![16:59:35] <Darknesss> send it here as well, weather is too boring here at the moment[16:59:51] <MauriceK> dr_evil: in around 20 minutes it's over ;)[17:01:13] <DeadYak> haven't seen rain in weeks[17:01:20] * dr_evil just noticed that using dd bs=65k is a off-by-one error[17:01:21] *** BePower has quit IRC[17:02:04] <DeadYak> what, does it write 65535 instead of 65536?[17:02:23] <DeadYak> er wait, that's 64k[17:02:35] <dr_evil> no, 66560[17:02:46] <Begasus> be lucky DeadYak ... it's been raining here for almost every day :/[17:02:49] <dr_evil> off by 1 (k)[17:03:17] <MauriceK> does anyone know, what might cause the following problem: If i try to boot haiku natively, it starts up, the mouse cursor works for around a second and around the time tracker starts the system hangs? It's an old machine where R5 used to work on once...[17:03:41] <MauriceK> sometimes tracker comes up, sometimes it hangs previously to that[17:04:27] <MauriceK> and i do not get any syslog, when I try to mount it from linux again :([17:05:44] *** fyysik has quit IRC[17:06:01] <DeadYak> MauriceK: SMP box?[17:06:37] <Begasus> could there be a prob with centrino duo's also?[17:06:48] <MauriceK> DeadYak: no, it's my notebook... at that time dual cores were just fantasy[17:06:50] <Begasus> can't even get to the Desktop here ... :s[17:07:05] <DeadYak> MauriceK: tried any of the safe mode options?[17:07:18] <MauriceK> then it automatically restarts even before showing the boot screen again[17:07:26] <MauriceK> regardless, which option i enable/disable[17:07:48] <dr_evil> ide: ide_timeout() bus 0x90902b00[17:07:58] <dr_evil> what is this stupid ide stack doing?!?[17:08:59] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[17:12:54] *** HeToN800 has joined #haiku[17:13:36] *** tombhad has joined #haiku[17:15:13] *** tombhad has quit IRC[17:15:40] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[17:17:54] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[17:21:12] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[17:23:27] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[17:23:48] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[17:25:43] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[17:26:21] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[17:34:35] <dr_evil> MauriceK I also have this restart problem when trying to use the boot menu[17:38:41] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:38:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:38:58] *** emitrax__ has quit IRC[17:40:33] *** dos4gw has joined #haiku[17:45:07] *** Begasus has quit IRC[17:45:32] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[17:48:30] *** kokito has joined #haiku[17:51:23] *** fyysik has quit IRC[17:52:37] <etteyafed_away> dr_evil: I tested Haiku on the intel 945GMS[17:53:27] <etteyafed_away> Works but I had to compile it with gcc4, so I couldn't get a stability mesure.[17:53:31] *** Begasus has quit IRC[17:56:11] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[17:58:49] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[17:59:09] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[18:03:27] *** BePower has joined #haiku[18:04:22] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[18:05:27] <CIA-5> marcusoverhagen * r22419 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/scsi/ahci/ (5 files):[18:05:27] <CIA-5> Changed device detection. The driver now first uses device and vendor id to check[18:05:27] <CIA-5> for devices. This allows using devices that are in IDE compatibility mode.[18:09:39] *** dos4gw has quit IRC[18:13:24] *** M_199 has quit IRC[18:17:27] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:17:53] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[18:25:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[18:25:31] <aldeck> dr_evil: nice you found it![18:26:41] *** HeToN800 has quit IRC[18:31:41] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:31:43] <MrSunshine_> dr_evil, so now one has to add his or hers device ID for it to work also ?[18:32:26] *** BePower has quit IRC[18:32:35] <aldeck> i think it's one driver to rule them all :)[18:36:13] <dr_evil> it will also use the PCI class id if there is no match with device/vendor id[18:36:29] <MrSunshine_> aldeck, i love that system :)[18:36:34] <dr_evil> but right now the driver seems to expose a bug in the device manager and crashes[18:37:04] <aldeck> oh, crashes device manager or the system?[18:39:17] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[18:41:09] <dr_evil> system[18:41:17] <aldeck> nevermind, i thought you meant the Device preflet[18:41:40] <aldeck> ok :)[18:47:49] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[18:49:35] <MrSunshine_> dr_evil, you did nice money of the driver also ? :)[18:50:45] <dr_evil> not yet[18:50:46] *** JDifool has joined #haiku[18:54:31] <etteyafed_away> dr_evil: Your driver would not have problems from being built with gcc4 would it?[18:54:39] *** etteyafed_away is now known as etteyafed[18:58:12] *** dos4gw has joined #haiku[18:58:27] <dos4gw> the driver seems to work, but the kernel crashes when I use ggc4[18:58:39] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[18:58:42] *** dos4gw is now known as dr_evil[18:58:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[19:00:54] <etteyafed> I didn't think my crashes were related to the driver either. I think it is an issue with the kernel not being fully gcc4 compat or something like that..[19:01:09] * JonathanThompson lobs a wave of vertigo at DeadYak[19:02:12] * etteyafed ducks to avoid the shrapnel.[19:02:23] <JonathanThompson> Very wise, etteyafed.[19:02:38] <Begasus> aloha JonathanThompson[19:02:41] <JonathanThompson> I was knocked out of a dream at around 3 a.m. from the starting waves.[19:02:44] <JonathanThompson> Hi Begasus.[19:02:49] <etteyafed> JonathanThompson: Write a device driver that I can test. It is fun.[19:03:25] <JonathanThompson> Considering I don't have useful information for any hardware I own, and I don't own much, it likely wouldn't be a very useful driver for you to test :)[19:03:50] <etteyafed> Write a driver for a virtual device then ;)[19:03:59] <JonathanThompson> That I could do.[19:04:18] * JonathanThompson wonders how many people would be interested in a device driver to stretch a virtual cat[19:04:25] <etteyafed> but you would need write the device also. I am not sure what benifit that would be though[19:05:26] * JonathanThompson wonders if his waves of vertigo are done, or if they'll last as long as the last time he was hit with something that put him in such a state[19:05:51] <etteyafed> Maybe a virtual pet would make a good device. A virtual tts pet that randomly says nice things to you.[19:06:08] <etteyafed> are you sick?[19:06:20] <JonathanThompson> Most definitely in some form.[19:06:33] <geist> insane in the membrane[19:06:39] <JonathanThompson> Insane in the brain![19:07:21] <JonathanThompson> (Well, most likely either an infection in the ear sparked off the inner ear, or I was overdue for a "readjustment" with an long-term inner ear issue)[19:07:44] <etteyafed> Ahh, the mystry sick.[19:07:55] <etteyafed> Pour guérir la maladie vous devez d'abord l'identifier.[19:08:13] <JonathanThompson> I got something nasty last July during the heat wave here, and I had nasty vertigo for about 3-4 days.[19:08:19] <JonathanThompson> I lost 8 pounds as a result.[19:08:40] <JonathanThompson> (I didn't have any solid food for 66 hours, and only some sports drink for a part of it)[19:08:57] <JonathanThompson> (Other than water)[19:09:21] <etteyafed> Thats bad. Maybe get a glucose IV[19:09:26] <etteyafed> or something[19:09:29] <geist> yay, the old pestulence weight loss program[19:09:39] <JonathanThompson> Very effective for a limited time.[19:10:00] <JonathanThompson> As soon as you're over it, though, you tend to regain that weight fairly quickly.[19:10:11] <etteyafed> Until you die of the combination of disease and mal-nutrition.[19:10:22] *** stippi has quit IRC[19:11:01] <JonathanThompson> I'm hoping this one doesn't last as long or get nearly as bad as that was last year.[19:11:15] <geist> that remidns me, i need to get some flu shots[19:11:18] *** andr34s has quit IRC[19:11:32] <geist> company is offering free ones this week i believe[19:11:33] <JonathanThompson> Especially since I'm on contract and I'm working on an hourly basis.[19:12:02] *** BePower has joined #haiku[19:12:06] <JonathanThompson> If you don't take advantage of those, I'll call you an idiot, geist :)[19:12:08] <cps1966> why not get a gun shot[19:12:25] * Begasus is not likely to get a flue shot ...[19:12:28] <JonathanThompson> Those don't seem to have any good medicinal value, cps1966.[19:12:33] <geist> well, typically i never get sick, but earlier this year i got a case of the flu for the first time[19:12:37] <geist> and it pretty much sucked[19:12:42] <JonathanThompson> Exactly.[19:12:43] <Begasus> got another flue once after I let them set me one ...[19:12:48] <cps1966> neither do flu shots[19:13:09] <JonathanThompson> I've got asthma as well as a few other things to be concerned about, so when I get anything with the respiratory tract, I can be royally hosed.[19:14:56] <JonathanThompson> Hmmmm.... if I'm truly lucky, the vertigo I last felt at about 9:30 will be the end of the meaningful stuff, and I'll be able to do something useful on my own time today.[19:15:04] <JonathanThompson> But, I'm not counting on that.[19:15:34] <geist> maybe if you actually fall off something in precisely the opposite way your vertigo feels, it'll cancel it out[19:15:57] <JonathanThompson> It's not that easy to arrange :)[19:16:22] <cps1966> if you have respiratory problem city life is not for you[19:16:37] <JonathanThompson> Because of allergies, neither is farm country.[19:16:46] *** ekdahl has joined #haiku[19:16:49] <etteyafed> Move to the desert[19:16:50] <geist> mars for you[19:16:59] <etteyafed> it is yummy if you spell it wrong[19:17:03] <JonathanThompson> I'm allergic to the mold that grows on plants, the mold that grows on animals, and quite a few types of grasses and pollens of various types.[19:17:34] <JonathanThompson> (Yes, I need to beware of moldy cats)[19:17:35] <etteyafed> Sounds like mars is the place for you then[19:17:41] <cps1966> its all in your head[19:17:47] <JonathanThompson> Sadly, no.[19:17:54] <JonathanThompson> It's been officially tested.[19:19:02] <JonathanThompson> I'm not allergic to cat dander, but the mold that grows on animals, yes.[19:19:13] <geist> boil the cats[19:19:18] <JonathanThompson> So, as long as a cat isn't gathering mold (well aired-out) they aren't a problem.[19:19:57] <JonathanThompson> Back in Indiana, I'd have a reaction to a horse on the interstate a mile up the road, because they likely weren't all that dry and clean.[19:20:33] <JonathanThompson> But in 96 when I visited cousins in Texas, I could put my face touching the face of my cousin's show horse without a problem.[19:20:54] <JonathanThompson> Since I hadn't been tested up to that point, that was a bit of a mystery than.[19:21:25] <cps1966> who said you had to live on a farm[19:22:12] <JonathanThompson> I didn't live on one in Indiana, but if you aren't in the city, chances are you have farm fields close enough that there's no practical difference.[19:22:38] <JonathanThompson> Every harvest season in Indiana I was prone to getting respiratory problems, and likely had my throat swell mostly shut.[19:23:25] <cps1966> then you choke to daeth and dont have to worry anymore[19:23:56] <JonathanThompson> That 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/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/tty/line_buffer.cpp:[21:07:53] <CIA-5> If the ring buffer is full line_buffer_readable_line() returns the[21:07:53] <CIA-5> buffer size in case the buffer does not contain an EOL or EOF. This[21:07:53] <CIA-5> prevents readers from waiting infinitely, if canonical input processing[21:07:53] <CIA-5> is enabled in that situation.[21:10:03] <ronny> im wondering why you guys use the MIT license (considerin it allows companies to steal away parts of the comunity semilar the way it happened to *bsd)[21:10:26] <DeadYak> ronny: precisely for that feature[21:10:33] *** bga has quit IRC[21:11:01] <ronny> DeadYak: you want companies to steal parts of the comunity ?[21:11:09] <DeadYak> ronny: we don't want companies to be excluded[21:11:26] <DeadYak> call it stealing if you like, not everyone views it as such[21:11:46] <JonathanThompson> Different licenses for different purposes, ronny.[21:11:48] <DeadYak> please don't start yet another GPL vs BSD debate in here[21:12:16] <stargater> ronny: you are developer ?[21:12:38] <JonathanThompson> I believe the way we see it for Haiku is that GPL would make Haiku even more of a niche OS with little chance of gaining commercial acceptance by commercial software developers if they had to worry about being GPL-contaminated.[21:12:48] <ronny> DeadYak: well - i just read abut several times where companies forked of a bsd, and took away some good developers without giving anything back[21:13:05] <kad77> ronny == wonny wizor from openbeos list[21:13:14] <stargater> ronny: you are developer ?[21:13:14] <kad77> erm, ronny. sorry[21:13:14] <ronny> kad77: no[21:13:22] * JonathanThompson lobs another wave of vertigo at DeadYak[21:13:32] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: vertigo? you sick or something?[21:13:38] <JonathanThompson> Yes.[21:13:45] <stargater> ronny: you are developer ?[21:13:50] <ronny> stargater: i just started reading some sources[21:13:50] <Stamrogh> :D[21:13:53] <JonathanThompson> Not sure exactly the details, but definitely not quite where I should be :)[21:14:05] <ronny> stargater: im a developer, but im not yet working on haiku[21:14:12] * JonathanThompson watches screen lean sideways[21:14:22] <DeadYak> lots of things are MIT..[21:14:23] <stargater> ronny: ah ok, and what will you do for haiku ?[21:14:26] <DeadYak> xOrg for instance[21:15:06] <ronny> stargater: not yet sure[21:15:13] <stargater> ah ok[21:15:26] <DeadYak> I don't see how a license would prevent someone from hiring away a developer in any case though[21:15:35] <stargater> ronny: what have you do in the past ?[21:15:47] <DeadYak> see Debian losing Ian Murdock to Sun[21:16:17] <ronny> stargater: nothing big - mainly small c++/python tools and some toy kernels[21:16:27] *** dfghjk has quit IRC[21:16:43] *** jevin has quit IRC[21:17:08] <stargater> ah ok, ronny i not sure but in haiku is a old vim :-) nice to see a new vim 7[21:17:11] <ronny> DeadYak: allit would prevent is a closed fork[21:17:16] <stargater> without gui[21:17:41] <DeadYak> why is that a big deal? it's not like it makes the existing code magically disappear[21:17:52] <DeadYak> it doesn't prevent the community from continuing to work on the open version of it[21:18:41] * JonathanThompson pukes into garbage can, decides it's time to leave the keyboard, and reading the scrolling text is difficult[21:18:45] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[21:18:47] <DeadYak> JT: get better soon[21:19:40] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[21:21:31] <ronny> DeadYak: yeah - but it has some undesirable impact (usualy loss of some good developers + much energy going into the fork, instead of the orginal)[21:23:24] <DeadYak> please show an example of this happening in practice?[21:24:03] <ronny> mom[21:24:10] <ronny> need to find the url in some logs[21:27:04] <MauriceK> "Failed to write attribute `BEOS:TYPE' to output file: Permission denied" does anyone else get lots of these?[21:27:12] *** santos2 has quit IRC[21:27:17] <MauriceK> happens after populating[21:27:19] <DeadYak> MauriceK: doing what?[21:27:23] <MauriceK> or while however :)[21:27:31] <DeadYak> can't say I've seen that...where you building from?[21:27:44] <MauriceK> linux, like I do since some weeks[21:27:55] <MauriceK> happened since i synced an hour ago[21:28:02] <DeadYak> can try it when I get home[21:28:07] <ronny> DeadYak: http://www.dwheeler.com/blog/2006/09/01/#gpl-bsd <- this one got a good example[21:28:57] <ronny> another one is apples fork of bsd to create darwin[21:28:58] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[21:29:01] * DeadYak shrugs[21:29:11] <DeadYak> how so? by that argument FreeBSD would be dead.[21:29:29] <DeadYak> and all apple really use from FBSD is the userland anyways[21:29:30] *** genkie has joined #haiku[21:30:17] <ronny> DeadYak: i didnt say it kills - it just takes power away[21:31:41] <DeadYak> not everyone necessarily agrees with that, developers come and go on any project, whether a company hires them or not[21:31:51] <ronny> a large amount of work went to closed bsd forks[21:32:11] <stargater> the next Mac Kernel will Linux in the next 5 year, also 2012[21:32:21] <ronny> (and it nothing of that went back to bsd)[21:32:53] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[21:34:01] <ronny> on linux this simply isnt possible, cause the license enforces the kernel to be open source[21:34:08] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:34:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:34:27] <stargater> ronny: and , darwin is opensource too[21:34:44] <stargater> linux kernel as subkernel[21:35:34] <ronny> stargater: well BSD/OS and SunOS wheren't open source[21:35:43] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22423 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/debug/crashing_app.cpp:[21:35:43] <CIA-5> Added option "--thread" which will perform the crashing operation in[21:35:43] <CIA-5> another thread.[21:36:11] *** _Lucretia has joined #haiku[21:36:13] <stargater> bsd is not open ?[21:36:27] <ronny> stargater: bsd is open[21:36:37] <ronny> stargater: but forks dont have to be[21:37:19] <ronny> they dont have to give back, so they dont[21:38:28] <stargater> its freedom to give or not to give[21:38:31] <ronny> wich is why i got problems with both licensing styles - gpl enforces too much and bsd allows too much[21:38:59] <stargater> gpl vs bsd/MIT ?[21:39:32] <ronny> stargater: imho they all suck for a general case[21:40:15] <stargater> :-)[21:40:42] <ronny> bsd/mit allows all of your work to be stolen (wich is bad) , gpl forbids to have closed stuff (wich is bad, too)[21:42:31] <stargater> ronny: it total easy, when you not will, that your code will stolen, then make it to closed source[21:42:33] <ronny> im sure you guys want companies to write programms for haiku and not for their own fork (wich got a worst case of being closed, and dieing in a few years)[21:42:58] <stargater> and forks need developer too[21:43:18] <eric_j> no license can really force that to happen[21:43:21] <ronny> guess where they usualy take the developers from[21:43:38] <ronny> eric_j: gpl enforces to make changes public[21:43:55] <ronny> so doing a closed fork wont work out[21:44:21] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[21:44:36] <eric_j> there are a bazillion proprietary embedded linux devices, where their GPL compliance consists of a web page with a butchered kernel tarball[21:44:45] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[21:44:56] <eric_j> they don't give away the valuable stuff they wrote[21:46:26] <ronny> eric_j: well - but many companies that really matter actively contribute to linux and dedicate developers to work on it full time (ie ibm, red hat, novell, ...)[21:46:41] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[21:49:27] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[21:50:31] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[21:56:09] *** Euver has joined #haiku[21:57:00] <stargater> hi Euver[22:06:47] <ronny> did anyone ever try using bjam instead of the modified jam ?[22:15:08] <CIA-5> bonefish * r22424 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp: Added the students who worked on the DDM and intel partitioning system.[22:16:18] <CIA-5> marcusoverhagen * r22425 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/scsi/ahci/ahci.c: added more IDs, removed Intel IDE mode ID due to possible collision with a physical PATA interface[22:19:14] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[22:19:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[22:21:11] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[22:22:28] *** genkie has quit IRC[22:27:38] *** cps1966 has quit IRC[22:29:48] *** BePower has quit IRC[22:32:02] <Thom_Holwerda> huh www.linkage.com directs to Symantec[22:32:04] <Thom_Holwerda> wtf[22:32:46] *** jevin has joined #haiku[22:34:17] *** dfghjk has joined #haiku[22:34:48] *** _Lucretia is now known as _Lucretia_[22:34:55] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[22:36:51] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[22:36:54] *** dfghjk is now known as dr_evil[22:36:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[22:39:35] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[22:40:07] *** rgb has quit IRC[22:41:39] *** dfghjk has joined #haiku[22:49:10] <kad77> Thom: http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:21Bh6LB3LG4J:www.symantec.com/en/uk/content/en/us/about/media/industryanalysts/Symantec-IMLogic.ppt+linkage+%2Bsymantec&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a[22:50:23] *** hnjk has joined #haiku[22:50:28] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[22:50:29] *** hnjk is now known as dr_evil[22:50:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[22:52:02] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[22:55:15] <Thom_Holwerda> kad77: ?[22:55:34] <Thom_Holwerda> oh wait[22:55:35] <Thom_Holwerda> got it[22:56:11] *** hnjk has joined #haiku[22:57:24] *** Atomozero has quit IRC[22:59:12] <Ingenu> nigh[22:59:18] <Ingenu> +[22:59:21] <Ingenu> t[22:59:31] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[22:59:37] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:01:10] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[23:01:22] *** kennyjb402 has joined #haiku[23:03:01] *** dfghjk has quit IRC[23:07:55] *** tombhad has joined #haiku[23:10:55] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[23:11:30] *** _WindowsUninstal has joined #haiku[23:12:19] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[23:13:31] *** oco has joined #haiku[23:14:23] <pulkomandy> +++[23:14:34] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[23:15:27] *** pyCube has quit IRC[23:15:32] *** witukind has joined #haiku[23:15:47] *** joshin has joined #haiku[23:16:41] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[23:19:21] <CIA-5> stippi * r22426 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/media-add-ons/mixer/ (15 files):[23:19:21] <CIA-5> large patch by Bek (HOST team):[23:19:21] <CIA-5> * style improvements, header reformatting, small refactoring and adding[23:19:21] <CIA-5> of missing copyrights[23:19:21] <CIA-5> (to Marcus: this is not the original patch, it has already been revised two[23:19:22] <CIA-5> times by myself and I thought it was very nice now)[23:20:14] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[23:23:32] *** _WindowsUninstal is now known as WindowsUninstall[23:25:01] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[23:25:59] *** tombhad-AC has quit IRC[23:29:08] *** hnjk has quit IRC[23:30:15] *** tombhad-AC has joined #haiku[23:30:43] *** SDragon has joined #haiku[23:31:41] *** petterhj has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** SDr has quit IRC[23:48:52] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[23:49:10] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[23:50:09] *** tombhad has quit IRC[23:56:44] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[23:59:36] *** hnjk has joined #haiku[23:59:47] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku