September 1, 2007 
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September 1, 2007 [00:05:51] <umccullough> it's a dangerous tool ;)[00:06:23] <umccullough> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_%28Unix%29[00:06:42] <umccullough> it exists on lots of OSes... not specific to linux - in fact there's a "dd for windows" out there somewhere - but it sucks[00:08:19] <mmu_man> there is a rawrite.exe to send images to floppies on win[00:10:24] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[00:19:15] <umccullough> who said anything about floppies?[00:19:23] <umccullough> ;)[00:19:48] <umccullough> i've used dd for windows to make an image of a partition[00:20:05] <umccullough> and then convert it to vmware[00:25:32] <cps1966> yeah like you could put haiku image on floppy[00:37:07] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[00:37:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[00:40:44] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:50:39] *** kr1stof has left #haiku[00:51:54] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[01:06:34] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[01:07:00] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:12:26] <pyCube> woo! more tea[01:13:22] <pyCube> yes, i have been more-tea-fied[01:13:52] <mmu_man> tea-pical[01:14:03] *** n0gabor has joined #haiku[01:16:29] <pyCube> heh'[01:24:13] *** Karina``` is now known as Karina``[01:35:40] * pyCube finally makes the move to 64bit[01:36:40] * pyCube also makes the move to multi-cpu[01:36:57] <pyCube> although fake-o multi cpu.. dual core cpu[01:39:34] * [Katisu] wonders how that is fake-o[01:39:59] <[Katisu]> might not be multi-chip, but it is multi-cpu[01:40:30] <mmu_man> just depends on your definition of cpu :)[01:40:34] <mmu_man> zz[01:40:35] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:40:47] <[Katisu]> well, some people define cpu as the computer box :P[01:41:10] <pyCube> i know[01:41:13] <umccullough> [Katisu], some people call that the "hard drive" ;)[01:41:23] <pyCube> but its not 2 physical cpus[01:41:28] <pyCube> that i can see with my eyes[01:41:39] <umccullough> who needs two physical CPUs... that just uses more power and generates more heat[01:41:50] <pyCube> but i can see 2 then[01:41:58] <pyCube> hehe[01:42:03] <pyCube> i am being silly[01:42:11] <umccullough> do you always believe only waht you can see with your own two eyes?[01:42:18] <umccullough> ;)[01:42:45] <pyCube> well, my old p4 HT shows me 2 cpus in the OS..[01:42:52] <pyCube> like this dual core does[01:43:04] <umccullough> and.. of course, you know that HT isn't really two CPU cores[01:43:13] <pyCube> right[01:43:14] * [Katisu] notes the "old p4 HT" comment[01:43:14] <pyCube> hehe[01:43:15] <umccullough> but as far as the software is concerned, it appears to be[01:43:27] <[Katisu]> <- on P4 HT atm[01:43:43] <umccullough> the HT is actually quite useful if you have one cpu-intensive process that doesn't yield often[01:43:52] <umccullough> (me thinks of spyware)[01:43:59] <umccullough> doh[01:44:02] <pyCube> honestly, i really dont care one way or the other[01:44:03] * umccullough thinks of spyware[01:44:23] <umccullough> i care - dual core does twice as much grunt work in most cases, HT doesn't[01:44:26] <pyCube> i was just noticing that i have to make sure i get 64 bit versions of things now[01:44:39] <umccullough> what OS?[01:44:43] <umccullough> 64-bit linux?[01:44:48] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[01:44:48] <pyCube> yeah[01:45:58] <pyCube> i grabbed eclipse and saw it digging in the 32bit libs..[01:46:17] <pyCube> then checked the dl site again and sure enough.. theres a 64bit version[01:46:18] <pyCube> heh[01:47:59] <pyCube> amd is weird.. all i know is that my cpu is amd, dual core, and 64bit. no clue what speed or anything[01:48:35] *** n0gabor has quit IRC[01:49:31] <Anxiety> later guys[01:49:41] *** Anxiety has quit IRC[01:50:41] <pyCube> [Katisu]: my main machine is a p4 too.. and the 'old' part was completely sarcasm[01:50:42] <pyCube> hehe[01:53:05] <pyCube> this amd machine is one given to me by my employer.. as a machine to use for work at home[01:54:26] * [Katisu] wonders how much work will actually get done on it[01:54:56] <pyCube> lots[01:55:02] <pyCube> i always work from home[01:55:15] <pyCube> they are finally getting around to providing a machine specifically for it[01:57:19] <[Katisu]> cool[01:58:01] <pyCube> if i had to go to work, i'd have very little code behind me[01:58:36] <pyCube> nothing is less conducive to coding than going to work[01:59:58] <reallyjoel> i disagree[02:00:29] <pyCube> oh, theres an implied "imo" on the end of that statement[02:00:38] <reallyjoel> at home you have the internets.. im's, irc, webpages, just waiting to get attention[02:00:46] <pyCube> so[02:00:51] <pyCube> those help me get thigns done[02:00:58] <[Katisu]> depend on your personality[02:00:58] <reallyjoel> so, i cant let them down[02:01:09] <reallyjoel> they need me to click on them[02:01:45] <pyCube> not being able to chat for a few minutes.. or tuirn around and watch something interesting on tv, or look at some news site.. or whatever.. very inspiration killing to me[02:02:46] <[Katisu]> how about having the boss hovering over you?[02:03:00] <pyCube> every time i go to the office, i end up working 16 hour days.. 8 hours of sitting at the office being distracted by officey stuff.. and another 8 hours when i come home coding and actually getting things done[02:03:23] <reallyjoel> while i dont actually have a workplace to go to, i prefer doing games together with my team, at school.. if i'd be alone i'd be too distaracted and too undisciplined to do as much work as i should[02:05:35] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[02:05:40] <pyCube> outside of brainstorm, draw stuff all over big whiteboards type sessions.. i find it WAY more productive to work with people via IM[02:06:10] <pyCube> it les intrusive and distracting[02:06:15] <pyCube> its less[02:06:53] <reallyjoel> perhaps in year-long projects, but often in the projects ive done you dont know how you should have done until after you done it, so you need the team assembled to tackle the constant problems[02:07:42] <reallyjoel> but on the other hand, some privacy would be nice when you need to concentrate on a problem[02:12:30] <pyCube> i know most code i have ever written has happened between 10pm and 5am.. daylight is for hanging out with my wife and kids[02:14:43] <reallyjoel> night is for staying up so long so that you have to sleep when your wife is awake so that you can avoid her[02:15:33] <pyCube> heh.. that would suck[02:16:44] <reallyjoel> i kid, i kid! ..[02:19:11] *** reallyjoel has quit IRC[02:31:23] <CIA-22> bonefish * r22132 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/processcontroller/ProcessController.cpp: (log message trimmed)[02:31:23] <CIA-22> Made ProcessController's "Debug Thread" feature work under Haiku. We[02:31:23] <CIA-22> don't have a "db" command (we could probably add a small shell script[02:31:23] <CIA-22> that invokes gdb in a Terminal), but just as BeOS we have[02:31:23] <CIA-22> debug_thread(), which does exactly that -- throwing a thread into the[02:31:24] <CIA-22> debugger. It (at least Haiku's version, not sure about BeOS's) also[02:31:28] <CIA-22> interrupts system calls, which makes the semaphore releasing hack[02:34:43] *** acidx has joined #haiku[02:54:24] *** alpha-li1n has joined #haiku[02:57:26] *** winter has quit IRC[02:57:34] *** winter has joined #haiku[03:04:22] *** winter321 has joined #haiku[03:07:33] *** alpha-lion has quit IRC[03:08:14] *** winter has quit IRC[03:08:14] *** winter321 is now known as winter[03:08:55] *** Master199 has quit IRC[03:12:30] *** oco has quit IRC[03:12:31] *** oco_ has joined #haiku[03:12:37] *** oco_ is now known as oco[03:21:48] <plfiorini> nice..... firewire is coming to haiku![03:22:41] * pyCube listens to a great old pink floyd 'roio'[03:24:21] <pyCube> i have a ton of live pf recordings.. a lot of the same songs, yet they are all different.. some days they were just totally "on". way more exciting than the studio recordings[03:25:11] <pyCube> if anybody ever comes across a pink floyd bootleg called "azimuth coordinator 3", let me know.. heheh[03:25:34] <pyCube> i lost it in the great harddrive crash of 2000, and havent been able to re-find it[03:26:35] *** winter has quit IRC[03:26:58] <pyCube> only catastrophic data corruption i ever experienced.. courtesy of bfs :-p[03:29:54] <pyCube> actually.. it was "The Great Harddrive Crash of 'ought one' (2001)"[03:30:55] <pyCube> sure.. lost lots of obscure live pinkfloyd.. but I gained a career in programming..so i guess it worked out ok[03:31:24] * pyCube chats at himself[03:36:40] <cps1966> its been that long ago[03:37:14] <pyCube> yeah.. weird[03:37:39] <cps1966> seems like yesterday[03:38:31] *** coraline has left #Haiku[03:38:59] <pyCube> yeah.. my youngest kid wasnt even born yet.. and she started kindergarten this year[03:39:28] <cps1966> you know who i am right[03:41:17] <cps1966> my daughter is almost 17 now[03:41:23] *** factory has quit IRC[03:41:59] <pyCube> yes[03:43:52] *** factory has joined #haiku[03:43:59] *** acidx has quit IRC[03:49:37] <cps1966> troy hangs out once i a while on yahoo[03:49:58] <pyCube> yeah[03:52:37] <pyCube> Oooo.. so, this dual-core 64bit machine feels exactly the same as my p4.. hehe[03:53:06] <pyCube> not sure what i do that stresses things.. so i dont expect to really notice much difference[03:53:11] <cps1966> i dont think 64 bit is really any faster[03:53:19] <pyCube> but 2 cpu's should be[03:53:42] <cps1966> i've aways had two[03:57:56] <cps1966> since 2000 anyway[03:58:04] <pyCube> i never bothered[03:58:19] <pyCube> like i said, i dont really stress computers cpu wise[03:58:39] <cps1966> i'm building haiku atm[03:59:10] <cps1966> watching tv and chating[04:00:36] *** oco has quit IRC[04:01:19] <cps1966> Cpu(s): 34.2%us[04:01:36] * JamesB192 thinks 64bit procs would be about a bit faster at 64 bit stuff than 32 bit stuff. How much 64bit clean stuff do you actually do[04:01:58] <cps1966> none[04:02:10] <plfiorini> do beide works on haiku os it a problem of mine?[04:02:17] *** coraline has joined #Haiku[04:15:49] *** absabs has joined #haiku[04:26:12] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[04:34:18] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[04:34:27] *** robotdinosaur has quit IRC[04:34:42] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[04:36:15] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[04:56:51] *** SunWuKung has joined #haiku[04:57:24] *** winter has joined #haiku[05:02:28] *** coraline has left #Haiku[05:04:18] *** UndeadYak has joined #haiku[05:04:32] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[05:04:36] *** UndeadYak is now known as DeadYak[05:17:06] *** gravy has joined #Haiku[05:19:48] *** coraline has joined #Haiku[05:23:14] *** Zmatt has joined #haiku[05:25:34] *** Zmatt has left #haiku[05:39:42] *** scottmc_ has joined #haiku[05:40:24] *** scottmc_ has quit IRC[05:40:41] *** scottmc_ has joined #haiku[05:52:45] *** scottmc_ has quit IRC[05:54:19] * plfiorini should have a nForce chipset so he notices that teorically speaking Haiku can run[06:06:41] <winter> anybody use codycam?[06:06:56] <DeadYak> haven't in a long time[06:07:20] <winter> use anything else?[06:07:37] <winter> i see grabbocam on bebits but it doesn't work for me in r5[06:08:30] *** knoedel has joined #haiku[06:10:05] *** stargater has quit IRC[06:10:09] <winter> actually you can't even download it now from bebits[06:10:36] <DeadYak> what's wrong with codycam?[06:17:59] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[06:19:14] *** knoedel has quit IRC[06:26:37] *** telomere has quit IRC[06:44:23] *** absab1 has joined #haiku[06:45:02] *** robotdinosaur has joined #haiku[06:51:27] *** breihan_ has joined #haiku[06:54:56] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[07:00:53] *** breihan_ is now known as breihan[07:23:48] *** petterhj has quit IRC[07:40:22] *** breihan has quit IRC[07:41:03] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[07:46:40] *** absab1 has quit IRC[07:52:41] *** winter has quit IRC[07:53:00] *** winter has joined #haiku[07:54:43] <kokito> good night folks[07:55:13] *** kokito has quit IRC[08:11:03] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[08:11:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[08:11:38] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[08:17:22] *** winter has quit IRC[08:22:48] *** absabs has quit IRC[08:23:56] *** absabs has joined #haiku[08:49:54] *** pyCube has quit IRC[08:55:53] *** winter has joined #haiku[09:00:32] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[09:01:25] *** JamesB192 has quit IRC[09:02:16] *** winter has quit IRC[09:05:07] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[09:20:38] *** procton has joined #haiku[09:21:59] *** Begasus has quit IRC[09:23:14] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[09:28:51] <plfiorini> good morning people[09:29:59] <Begasus> morning[09:30:18] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[09:39:39] *** frankps has joined #haiku[09:42:47] <JonathanThompson> Just watched "Fast Food Nation" which is truly food for thought.[09:42:55] <JonathanThompson> (Rather dreary, too)[09:49:20] *** kr1stof_ has joined #haiku[09:50:31] *** stargater has joined #haiku[09:50:38] <stargater> moin[09:50:41] <JonathanThompson> Meow[09:55:13] *** stargate1 has joined #haiku[09:55:16] <stargate1> re[09:58:05] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[09:58:51] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[09:58:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[10:06:18] *** kr1stof_ is now known as kr1stof[10:12:46] *** stargater has quit IRC[10:15:12] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[10:15:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[10:24:11] *** Begasus has quit IRC[10:24:46] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[10:25:16] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:25:19] *** stargate1 is now known as stargater[10:25:42] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:27:41] *** devn has joined #haiku[10:28:10] <devn> hola, any reference on booting from a flash drive?[10:28:19] <devn> <-newb[10:29:43] <Ingenu> no clue[10:29:58] <devn> so everyone just runs the vmware?[10:31:35] <devn> methinks you're going to see me in here quite a bit from now on[10:31:42] <devn> i think i'd like to start developing for haiku[10:31:55] <Begasus> does pkg-config need to be recompiled to find newly compiled libraries?[10:33:16] <Begasus> most run Haiku in emulation devn ... if you really want too you can install it native (but takes some workaround)[10:34:37] <devn> i watched the first half of the haiku googletalk, they're talking about 7 second boot times, i guess i didnt watch far enough, were they talking emulated or native?[10:34:41] <devn> i assumed they were running native[10:35:12] <Begasus> native is even faster ;)[10:35:24] <devn> and they made mention of interesting boot-from-flash-drive capabilities of the OS, so I assumed there would be some docs or something[10:35:30] <devn> perhaps I'll write the docs :)[10:36:03] <Begasus> don't think there is support for booting from flash drives yet ... but don't take my word for it ;)[10:36:08] <devn> its a slick little download, and when i heard 60 megs uncompressed i was sold[10:36:19] <Begasus> ;)[10:36:19] <devn> well then, maybe that's my project...[10:36:44] <Begasus> you should find most info to start at their homepage I guess[10:37:07] <Begasus> if you want to contact some of the devs you could enlist on the email list[10:37:11] <devn> kind of surprised the community is so large, and at the same time surprised at how small it is[10:37:48] <devn> mac-like os with 64bit journaled indexed filesystem, nice driver support, responsive kernel, etc etc[10:38:00] <devn> seems like a perfect fit for a lot of people[10:38:17] <devn> and dont get me wrong, i only meant mac-like because the ui looks slick, vector icons etc[10:38:22] <Begasus> if you have the skill you should join ;)[10:38:34] <devn> yeah im definitely down -- looks like fun[10:38:35] <Begasus> I can't code myself so I'll leave that up to the devs ;)[10:38:42] <devn> what do you work on?[10:38:53] <Begasus> myself nothing actualy ;)[10:39:04] <devn> hahaha -- just a hanger-on?[10:39:08] <Begasus> keeping up with a website etc[10:39:10] <devn> chasing compsci rockstar tail?[10:39:23] <Begasus> nah .. been around for a while already :P[10:39:32] <devn> i actually had no idea haiku was in the gsoc[10:39:39] <devn> i just finished up the gosc with plan9/inferno[10:39:42] <devn> gsoc*[10:39:45] <Begasus> cool[10:40:11] <Begasus> well doing nothing is a big word :P[10:40:16] <devn> i need to go to bed tbh, but ill idle in here and pop in tomorrow[10:40:23] <Begasus> did translation work, icon work in Zeta[10:40:29] <Begasus> doing some game ports atm[10:40:30] <devn> ah nice[10:40:40] <Begasus> checking some lib ports ...[10:40:48] <Begasus> so not a total noob ;)[10:41:16] <devn> you're being modest probably, nice introduction to the community either way[10:41:34] <devn> some communities you walk in and everyone goes: HI IM SMAERT[10:41:37] <Begasus> always glad to see new peeps ;)[10:41:57] <devn> seeya around Begasus - bed time[10:41:58] <devn> cheers[10:42:07] <Begasus> g'night there devn[10:57:43] *** Humdinger has joined #haiku[11:00:42] 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;)[14:24:43] <frankps>[14:24:56] <Begasus> hi frankps ;)[14:25:08] <frankps> Hi there Begaus[14:25:23] <frankps> Begasus: hi there[14:25:32] <Begasus> how's it going?[14:25:51] <frankps> Sorry, was the cat that pressed the Enter key the first time[14:25:58] <Begasus> hehe[14:25:59] <Begasus> np ;)[14:26:11] <frankps> it's going good[14:26:29] <frankps> staying up in the mountains, just outside of Oslo, relaxing[14:26:52] <Begasus> neat ... still on holliday or just quick visit?[14:27:22] <frankps> I have been working for "more then a month"[14:27:30] <frankps> started on August 1st[14:27:35] <Begasus> nice change then ;))[14:27:42] <Begasus> *jk* ;)[14:28:07] <Begasus> finaly getting things settled here ...[14:28:09] <frankps> yeah, it's my sister's place, she is gone, so I look after the cat[14:29:44] <steffen_f> hi frankps[14:30:12] <steffen_f> frankps - I was in Norway some weeks ago .. near Molde ..[14:30:21] <frankps> hi steffen_f, long time no see[14:30:29] <frankps> oh, the jazz festival?[14:30:42] <frankps> Never been on the west coast myself, sadly[14:30:51] <steffen_f> jepp[14:30:58] <steffen_f> Its nice there ..[14:31:43] *** Atomozero has joined #haiku[14:31:59] <frankps> :-)[14:32:12] <Begasus> hi Atomozero[14:32:14] <frankps> sorry, but I have to get back to my books[14:32:25] <Begasus> cu frankps take care![14:32:41] <Begasus> cover the Enter key ;)[14:33:49] <Atomozero> hi sll[14:33:52] <Atomozero> hi all[14:34:35] <Begasus> been doing some updating on the SDL libs atm[14:40:00] *** dos4gw has joined #haiku[14:40:41] <CIA-22> marcusoverhagen * r22133 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/scsi/ahci/ (util.c util.h): copied[14:46:00] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[14:47:04] <steffen_f> see ya[14:47:07] *** steffen_f has quit IRC[14:51:41] *** petterhj has quit IRC[14:52:11] <CIA-22> stippi * r22134 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[14:52:11] <CIA-22> * make the text view layouting more robust, draw the frame around the[14:52:11] <CIA-22> text view, ignore the divider for this (application code could layout[14:52:11] <CIA-22> the textview itself, and fDivider might not be maintained)[14:52:11] <CIA-22> * change Draw() and TextInput::MakeFocus() accordingly[14:52:12] <CIA-22> this fixes the weird placement of text controls in Beam[14:57:11] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[14:58:54] <Begasus> hmm .. or Haiku or qemu has problems when I add libs to the image ...[14:59:07] <Begasus> don't think the latest ...[15:09:11] *** stargater has quit IRC[15:13:04] *** n0gabor has quit IRC[15:14:41] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[15:16:29] *** nik0 has joined #haiku[15:20:22] *** frankps has quit IRC[15:22:17] <nik0> strange.. shouldn't BEOS:TYPE be indexed by default? I'm on beos 5.1 here..[15:24:15] <nik0> there: mkindex -t string BEOS:TYPE[15:26:02] <mats> :)[15:26:57] <nik0> reindex seemed to be the right tool now, but I'm not sure. anyone?[15:29:37] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[15:33:54] <CIA-22> stippi * r22135 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TextControl.cpp:[15:33:54] <CIA-22> fix more glitches:[15:33:54] <CIA-22> * invalidate the correct rect on WindowActivated() in case fDivider is not[15:33:54] <CIA-22> correclty maintained[15:33:54] <CIA-22> * don't cut off part of the label in Draw() by constraining the clipping in[15:33:55] <CIA-22> case the placement of the label is a little different than intented[15:39:45] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[15:46:56] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[15:48:11] <nik0> ah, got it now. BEOS:TYPE should/need not to be indexed if you also search for a name (or other indexed attr)[15:50:31] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[15:50:34] *** Begasus is now known as Begasus_bbl[15:52:27] *** genkie has joined #haiku[16:17:40] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[16:23:08] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[16:23:17] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[16:23:42] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[16:28:50] <CIA-22> marcusoverhagen * r22136 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/scsi/ahci/ahci_defs.h: added more definitions from specification[16:29:11] <CIA-22> marcusoverhagen * r22137 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/scsi/ahci/ (Jamfile ahci_controller.cpp ahci_controller.h util.c util.h): map registers and print some information[16:30:56] *** telomere has joined #haiku[16:36:54] *** sloar has joined #haiku[16:43:01] <CIA-22> bonefish * r22138 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/set_area_protection_test1.cpp: Added test case for the r/o text segment.[16:46:50] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[16:46:51] *** pyCube has quit IRC[16:46:51] *** Cube-ness has quit IRC[16:47:13] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[16:47:31] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[16:47:50] *** Cube-ness has joined #haiku[16:50:45] *** frankps has joined #haiku[16:51:52] <CIA-22> jackburton * r22139 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TextView.cpp:[16:51:52] <CIA-22> Adjusted a bit BTextView::AutoResize() so that the text rect is more[16:51:52] <CIA-22> centered. At least renaming a file in tracker looks a bit better now.[16:58:49] *** Humdinger has joined #haiku[17:05:03] *** piepsi has quit IRC[17:10:00] *** robotdinosaur has quit IRC[17:16:49] <CIA-22> bonefish * r22140 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/set_area_protection_test1.cpp: Also print the expected value. 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Surprised you remember me. :P[17:58:02] <umccullough> :)[17:58:06] *** meisje has quit IRC[17:58:12] <umccullough> isn't your first name Thomas or something?[17:58:17] <Ketsuban> Yeah.[17:58:23] <umccullough> i have a decent memory[17:58:31] <Styrbjorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg :D[17:58:36] <Styrbjorn> great tube-clip :D[17:58:58] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[17:59:10] <Ketsuban> So what's happened with Haiku in the period of my absence?[17:59:21] <umccullough> depends...when was the last time you were around?[17:59:30] <Ketsuban> Around the fifth birthday.[17:59:39] <umccullough> heh... lots[17:59:52] <telomere> haiku is stable[17:59:53] <umccullough> it's fairly stable now, even if the kernel is still missing some functionality[17:59:54] <telomere> almost[18:00:06] <umccullough> netstack has a lot of improvements[18:00:16] <umccullough> some legacy SATA drivers now[18:00:28] <umccullough> firewire stack ported from freebsd[18:00:37] <Ketsuban> Nice.[18:01:30] <umccullough> probably a lot of other stuff... but I don't remember ;)[18:02:43] <Ketsuban> I'm in the position of a drug addict trying to wean himself off and failing miserably at the moment. The drug is Vista. The cure, hopefully, is Linux, and I've had good results from Sabayon, but the lack of easy updates is difficult to get used to.[18:04:35] <umccullough> vista... ick[18:05:43] <Thom_Holwerda> no problems here with vista.[18:05:58] <telomere> where can i find sdl development libraries for r5?[18:06:25] <Ketsuban> I just need to get used to portage, really. I don't really understand how it can claim to be a bleeding-edge distribution when a simple "update everything" (i.e. emerge -auD world) breaks things so thoroughly.[18:09:53] <cps1966> you should block packages in testing[18:13:09] *** geist has quit IRC[18:13:16] *** geist has joined #haiku[18:13:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[18:13:47] *** oco has quit IRC[18:14:16] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:14:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:18:08] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:26:32] <dr_evil> hi mmu_man![18:26:43] <mmu_man> plop[18:26:55] <Thom_Holwerda> Ketsuban: thats why you should use apt and deb :).[18:29:11] <Ketsuban> Thom_Holwerda: I would if I could. Ubuntu doesn't package the nVidia drivers very well, and it doesn't work (to cut a long story short).[18:29:38] <Thom_Holwerda> well, or you dont get nvidia packages, but everything else works[18:29:39] <Thom_Holwerda> or[18:29:48] <Thom_Holwerda> you get nvidia packages, but everything else doesnt work :).[18:30:07] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[18:30:10] <Thom_Holwerda> at least, that's the impression i get from your remark.[18:30:48] <Ketsuban> One problem is Ubuntu doesn't let me use a command-line for some reason. Ctrl-Alt-F1 just gives me a blank screen until I go back to X again.[18:31:14] <Ketsuban> Combine that with the fact that the nvidia driver causes X not to load at all (it doesn't even make Xorg.0.log) and you get a total mystery as to why I can't make it work.[18:31:25] <Thom_Holwerda> weird.[18:32:08] *** geist_ has joined #haiku[18:33:11] <umccullough> Ketsuban, are you using SLI?[18:33:51] <Ketsuban> I have two graphics cards connected by an SLI bridge, so at least in theory yes.[18:33:56] *** oxygene has joined #haiku[18:34:14] <umccullough> yeah, there's some special steps to install/use Ubuntu on nvidia SLI[18:34:20] <cps1966> same cards or different ones[18:34:22] <umccullough> i think you must start by removing one of the cards[18:34:25] <Thom_Holwerda> darn, two videocards.[18:34:42] <Thom_Holwerda> always thought that was just something for the gfx companies to boast about.[18:34:45] <umccullough> you should be able to find some info on it - a friend of mine spent several days :P[18:34:46] <dr_evil> oxygene I'm writing a AHCI SATA driver, and needed to boot Haiku on real hardware again :)[18:34:47] <Thom_Holwerda> didnt know anyone actually used it.[18:34:48] <Ketsuban> Same cards, cps1966.[18:34:56] <oxygene> dr_evil: ah, nice :)[18:35:20] <Ketsuban> umccullough: I've been considering doing that anyway - taking out one card and the bridge frees up like four slots on the motherboard. :P[18:36:14] <cps1966> yeah my fx5500 takes up two slots[18:37:11] <cps1966> they should put fan on top of cards[18:38:43] <dr_evil> mmu_man thats what I got already: http://overhagen.de/temp/ahci1.txt[18:39:13] <mmu_man> sadly it won't help me to boot on this Mac LC III :P[18:39:32] <umccullough> Ketsuban, http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=275591[18:39:38] <mmu_man> nice job![18:40:49] <dr_evil> AHCI uses "zero-based" numbers at a couple of places, so ports implemented: 1 means there are 2 ports. I wonder what stuff they smoked when writing the specification[18:41:21] <mmu_man> aw[18:41:26] <oxygene> dr_evil: oh, no possibility for 0 ports? ;)[18:41:35] <mmu_man> imagine intel used it on cpus[18:41:37] <cps1966> ohio gold[18:41:54] *** geist___ has joined #haiku[18:41:59] <umccullough> my guess is the guy writing the spec returned "highest port number" and that mistakenly got interpreted as "number of ports" ;)[18:42:10] <umccullough> writing the firmware i mean[18:42:18] <mmu_man> "0 585.9999999999999 cpu(s) detected"[18:42:41] *** geist has quit IRC[18:43:05] <dr_evil> well they need only 4 bits to represent the macimum of 32 ports ;)[18:43:14] <dr_evil> err, 5 bits[18:43:57] <dr_evil> umccullough acutally there a a few places which are unclear about beeing 0 or 1 based[18:44:02] * JonathanThompson notes dr_evil is off by one bit this morning[18:44:11] <JonathanThompson> Granted, I know it's not morning where you're at.[18:44:23] <dr_evil> well it's evening, 18:44[18:45:45] <umccullough> dr_evil, that's unfortunate for such a modern architecture spec :([18:46:30] <oxygene> ahci is intel, or not? qed.[18:46:46] <umccullough> ahci is basically standard now[18:47:06] <umccullough> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHCI[18:47:17] <oxygene> "office open xml" probably becomes a standard, too - doesn't mean it's a good one[18:47:22] * JonathanThompson wonders what the "problem" of starting off with 0 is[18:47:39] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps I had way too much SCI experience :)[18:47:50] <umccullough> oxygene, sure, but it's the hardware standard that almost all SATA controllers use now[18:47:52] <JonathanThompson> Err, SCSI[18:48:54] <umccullough> JonathanThompson, FreeSCI![18:49:08] * umccullough wonders how many sierra games JonathanThompson played[18:49:34] * JonathanThompson notes it's been.... at least 15 years since the last one, if he can actually place a single one that was[18:50:25] *** shackan has quit IRC[18:51:04] <oxygene> umccullough: which explains the need to implement a weird spec - doesn't make it any better though :)[18:51:15] <umccullough> ;)[18:52:27] *** TheDenzel has joined #haiku[18:52:33] *** geist_ has quit IRC[18:52:49] <CIA-22> marcusoverhagen * r22141 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/scsi/ahci/ (ahci_controller.cpp ahci_controller.h ahci_defs.h): print proper values for zero-based numbers[18:53:06] <TheDenzel> Erm... hello?[18:53:09] *** TheDenzel has left #haiku[18:53:14] <oxygene> heh, now that was quick ;)[18:53:21] <JonathanThompson> ?olleh...mrE[18:54:18] <dr_evil> oxygene yes, but it's untested, because I need to reboot for each test I'll implement and checkin stuff in steps, but test later[19:05:38] <umccullough> TheNerd, hi there :)[19:05:51] <umccullough> er... TheDenzel... oh he left[19:06:01] <umccullough> stupid nick completion[19:06:25] <umccullough> my beos/haiku machine is giving me trouble again[19:06:33] <umccullough> i wonder if more of the caps on the board are failing...[19:14:31] *** geist___ is now known as geist[19:14:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[19:19:07] <telomere> i'm tempted to try haiku on my real hardware ^_^[19:20:58] <umccullough> crap, i forgot to call Dell yesterday[19:22:22] *** cps1966 has quit IRC[19:30:07] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[19:30:08] *** Cube-ness has quit IRC[19:30:13] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[19:30:22] *** Cube-ness has joined #haiku[19:31:15] *** geist has quit IRC[19:31:36] *** geist has joined #haiku[19:31:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[19:32:37] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[19:50:34] *** stargater has joined #haiku[19:50:37] <stargater> re[19:50:53] <mmu_man> re[19:56:51] *** Euver has joined #haiku[19:57:24] *** rgb has joined #haiku[20:00:23] <CIA-22> bonefish * r22142 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/shared/AutoLocker.h:[20:00:23] <CIA-22> Made SetTo() deal with the lockable == NULL, alreadyLocked == true[20:00:23] <CIA-22> correctly.[20:06:55] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:07:20] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:09:58] *** Begasus_bbl is now known as Begasus[20:12:26] *** sloar has quit IRC[20:14:20] *** Humdinger has quit IRC[20:17:11] *** absabs has quit IRC[20:20:45] <Thom_Holwerda> eurovision dans festival?[20:20:47] <Thom_Holwerda> WTF[20:20:53] <Thom_Holwerda> i thought we had seen it all[20:24:15] <frankps> yes, now you have ...[20:29:46] * Atomozero works on http://www.haiku-os.it/[20:30:16] <Begasus> just compiled haiku-image for the first time ;))[20:30:35] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[20:30:36] *** Cube-ness has quit IRC[20:30:55] *** Cube-ness has joined #haiku[20:30:56] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[20:31:21] <Thom_Holwerda> Atomozero: huh samba for haiku?[20:32:21] <Atomozero> yes from russia developer[20:32:38] <Thom_Holwerda> oh.[20:33:00] <Atomozero> more info on iscomputeron[20:33:43] <Thom_Holwerda> ah.[20:33:45] <Thom_Holwerda> gracias.[20:33:58] <Atomozero> :)[20:34:47] <Thom_Holwerda> for tonight on osnews[20:35:03] <Thom_Holwerda> daat is in my capitol city, so i might as well put a link to ICO atop :)[20:35:10] <Atomozero> ^________^[20:37:09] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:43:40] <stargater> oh nice http://www.haiku-os.it/[20:44:00] <Atomozero> :)[20:46:11] <Ketsuban> I suppose Haiku isn't even considering 64-bit support at this stage. :P[20:46:41] <geist> it sort of is, but it's not a huge priority[20:47:23] <geist> in a perfect world there are enough people to do the 64bit port simultaneously, to make sure the be api is 64bit ready by the time folks start uysing the 32bit version[20:47:52] <geist> i'm personally worried about api level changes that may need to happen, and if it happens after soem sort of release it'll be harder to change[20:48:53] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:48:53] *** ChanServ 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- ;)[21:04:32] *** stargater has quit IRC[21:04:44] <Begasus> +[21:04:55] <Begasus> not bloated or anything ... just right ;)[21:07:07] <Atomozero> when europian haiku user group :)[21:08:19] <Begasus> after next BG? ;)[21:08:48] <Thom_Holwerda> wtf there is no vmware player for osx?[21:08:56] <Atomozero> mmm 2010?[21:09:16] <Begasus> ;))[21:09:36] *** Husio has joined #haiku[21:09:38] <Husio> hello[21:09:47] <Begasus> 'lo[21:09:53] <Atomozero> hi[21:10:05] <Husio> does anyone knows is it possible to have haiku like panel on other os ?[21:10:10] <pyCube_> OSX is by far the best OS is you really need to run iApps[21:10:20] <pyCube_> if you[21:12:03] <Thom_Holwerda> jesus now i need to get out my laptop to test the latest haiku image[21:12:04] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:12:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:12:05] <Thom_Holwerda> grumble.[21:12:50] *** oco has joined #haiku[21:13:36] <pyCube_> what gets me about trying to use osx is that it seems that every goddamn app i find that does what i want is trialware[21:13:47] <Thom_Holwerda> oh?[21:13:51] <Thom_Holwerda> never had that problem[21:14:00] <pyCube_> at least it seemed that way in the recentish past[21:16:55] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[21:18:01] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[21:18:03] <Stargater> re[21:18:14] <Thom_Holwerda> hey stargater[21:18:16] <Thom_Holwerda> you here :)[21:19:10] <plfiorini> Atomozero: !!![21:23:41] * pyCube_ plays with the crazy alpha of python 3.0[21:23:57][21:24:39] <plfiorini> pyCube_: is it supported by haiku?[21:24:46] <pyCube_> no idea[21:24:51] *** Ketsuban has joined #haiku[21:25:01] <plfiorini> pyCube_: i heard they'll remove unsupported systems[21:25:10] <pyCube_> likely[21:25:14] <mmu_man> time to update the port again[21:25:19] <plfiorini> i wonder what time requires to be a maintainer[21:25:36] <plfiorini> mmu_man: is it only a matter of try to compile it on haiku and fix where it doesn't compile?[21:25:44] <mmu_man> took me like less than a month to update to 2.4 for zeta IIRC[21:25:53] <plfiorini> mmu_man: like configure stuff[21:26:00] <mmu_man> I had to imlpement some new features[21:26:06] <plfiorini> mmu_man: mmm[21:26:34] <pyCube_> py3.0 is quite a bit different than a 2.3 -> 2.4 move[21:26:50] <mmu_man> likely[21:27:09] <pyCube_> lots of changes[21:27:17] <pyCube_> not backwards compat[21:27:32] <Stargater> :-) Thom_Holwerda[21:27:40] <plfiorini> pyCube_: as long as they are in a new major i am not afraid[21:27:50] <pyCube_> nah[21:27:55] <pyCube_> its good to move forward[21:28:15] <plfiorini> pyCube_: i think at work i will use python 2.x for a lot of time, i do an application which was started on zope :([21:28:27] <pyCube_> right[21:28:33] <pyCube_> ack! zope![21:28:35] <pyCube_> hehe[21:28:38] <plfiorini> pyCube_: we made a bad decision i know[21:29:00] <plfiorini> pyCube_: but zope looks cool as long as you do a simple form with a python script and a zsql[21:29:19] <pyCube_> zope is sooo f'ing complex, imo[21:29:23] <plfiorini> pyCube_: yeah i agree[21:29:41] <plfiorini> pyCube_: external methods are so stupid[21:29:48] <pyCube_> too much crap in the way.. wheres the coding? hehe[21:29:50] <plfiorini> pyCube_: even the re module is banned[21:30:15] <plfiorini> pyCube_: you have to play with GlobalModules to access some python modules[21:30:17] <plfiorini> blah[21:30:32] <pyCube_> i use twisted + nevow for all my web work[21:30:58] <plfiorini> i tried only django and turbogears some months ago[21:31:11] <plfiorini> i like much django than tg[21:31:18] <plfiorini> it's more consistent[21:32:08] <pyCube_> yeah.. i just dont like those kinds of thing..frameworks like that[21:32:46] <plfiorini> pyCube_: i usually do the queries myself so for some kind of complex works i really don't know how to do[21:33:04] <plfiorini> pyCube_: i need some time to get sqlalchemy or django models[21:33:42] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[21:33:45] <pyCube_> https://storm.canonical.com/[21:33:48] <plfiorini> pyCube_: but i like django for templates and some tools built into the framework like the mail support (which is not hard to do in "plain" python even with attachments)[21:34:45] *** Husio has left #haiku[21:35:38] * plfiorini reads the tutorial[21:35:57] <plfiorini> pyCube_: yeah it seems sqlalchemy[21:36:11] <pyCube_> it is WAY nicer than sqlalchemy[21:36:18] <pyCube_> WAY WAY!![21:36:19] <pyCube_> hehe[21:36:26] <plfiorini> i like store.execute[21:37:36] <plfiorini> pyCube_: if you can do multiple connections to the database (let's say one for every user with different grants) it can be my preferreed orm[21:37:48] <pyCube_> the tutorial gives a quick glimpse of the joy of storm[21:37:55] <pyCube_> its amazing, really[21:37:56] <plfiorini> yeah i'm still reading[21:38:38] <plfiorini> but django has a good template engine with python filters, really nice[21:39:01] <plfiorini> i think that there should be a template engine like this w/o all the django framework[21:40:00] <pyCube_> fortunately, i have recently gotten out of the web frontend building business.. hehe[21:40:29] <pyCube_> building a nice xmlrpc webservices system[21:40:52] <pyCube_> get to concentrate on backend fun[21:41:03] <pyCube_> instead of html/css/javascript wrestling[21:42:06] <pyCube_> but for the past 4 years i have been working on a big web app project using twisted and nevow[21:42:50] <plfiorini> i do everything on that project, frontend for users, frontend for the customer, backend[21:42:59] <pyCube_> yeah[21:43:03] <pyCube_> thats what i was doing[21:43:05] <plfiorini> i did crazy things with openoffice[21:43:08] <pyCube_> everything.. hehe[21:43:20] <plfiorini> but i agree, backend is more fun[21:43:47] <plfiorini> but the more painful stuff comes from dojo[21:43:57] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[21:44:17] <plfiorini> when my customer do some reports they can get even 2000 records wich is too much for dojo[21:44:30] <plfiorini> the filteringtable is nice but slow!![21:44:35] <pyCube_> the Reference and ReferenceSet stuff in storm table classes is great[21:45:05] <plfiorini> i really don't want to do a filteringtable that retrieves like 100 records at a time[21:45:39] <plfiorini> i'd prefer to wait for dojo 1.0 which will have a a new widget[21:45:42] <pyCube_> whats dojo?[21:45:46] <plfiorini> ajax library[21:45:55] <pyCube_> ah[21:46:03] <plfiorini> they really needed ajax - they can't reload the page at every post[21:46:15] <pyCube_> yeah... my app is full of ajax stuff[21:46:20] <plfiorini> and their admin interface needs to be less static with a lot of windows, buttons, tables, ...[21:46:32] <pyCube_> nevow provides a nice way to build custom ajax widgets[21:46:47] <plfiorini> it was a pain - i never did such a big interface in a web page :P[21:46:49] <plfiorini> before[21:47:03] <plfiorini> pyCube_: i have to try nevow[21:47:04] *** kokito has joined #haiku[21:48:15] <pyCube_> plfiorini: it lets you build ajax widget classes that map to server side classes.. nice two way message posting[21:48:26] <plfiorini> pyCube_: you saved me[21:48:38] <pyCube_> http://divmod.org/trac/wiki/DivmodNevow[21:48:40] <plfiorini> pyCube_: it seems so cool that i will try it for the next job[21:48:46] <plfiorini> pyCube_: yes i am reading :)[21:49:05] <plfiorini> pyCube_: the problem is my boss, he's usually afraid of new stuff[21:49:18] <pyCube_> twisted + nevow requires a little adjustment.. its all asynchronous which takes some getting used to for most people.. but its amazingly powerful[21:49:41] <plfiorini> pyCube_: because you always know its problem using it for the job but if it doesn't work you won't change to match deadlines[21:50:28] <plfiorini> pyCube_: i really like async but how my customers will know that i am updating the table in async mode?[21:50:38] <pyCube_> ?[21:51:02] <pyCube_> it doesnt block[21:51:09] <plfiorini> that the problem[21:51:13] <plfiorini> they are so stupid[21:51:16] <pyCube_> ?[21:51:32] <plfiorini> i had to add a full screen "loading..." page while dojo retrieved all the json[21:51:51] <pyCube_> you fire a messge to the client to call some method on one of your ajax widgets to put up a "loading" messge[21:51:55] <plfiorini> if they don't see a loading screen they call me saying that the software doesn't load data[21:52:19] <plfiorini> yes i did this with the onClick on the Search button[21:52:19] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[21:52:54] <plfiorini> it fires a full screen loading message, it hides the message once all the data is retrieved[21:53:15] <pyCube_> from the server side, it looks like: client.callRemote('InfoScreen.showLoading').. or soemthing[21:53:23] <pyCube_> yeah[21:54:02] <pyCube_> you'd write whatever fancy javascript loading, hiding, greying out, etc stuff.. and call it from the server, or when they click something, or whatever, hehe[21:54:12] <plfiorini> cool[21:54:15] *** sil2100 has joined #haiku[21:54:47] <CIA-22> marcusoverhagen * r22145 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/scsi/ahci/ (4 files): added Interrupt handling framework[21:54:50] *** sil2100 is now known as Sil2100[21:54:57] <Sil2100> Hi there everyone[21:55:18] <pyCube_> unlike django etc, nevow doesnt provide a lot of big complex predefined things.. its just an api that lets you build whatever you want[21:55:32] <pyCube_> so there is a bit more of a startup time on things...[21:55:36] <pyCube_> but its worth it imo[21:55:46] <plfiorini> pyCube_: seems very nice i will try this stuff with my boss for the next job. now we do a lot more research before jumping into a new project (it's much better trust me :)[21:55:50] <pyCube_> you get a better, more powerful system in the end[21:56:10] <pyCube_> yeah.. i suppose it depends on teh time constraints[21:56:29] <plfiorini> pyCube_: with some customers, anyway, you don't have a lot of time for decent analysis[21:56:40] <pyCube_> but i always say that saving time up front isnt necessarily save time in the end[21:56:41] <plfiorini> pyCube_: yes, time constraints[21:57:07] <plfiorini> pyCube_: well, for a new part of my software i did a lot of project analysis and all went good[21:57:28] <plfiorini> pyCube_: when the customer started using it, i never heard the phone ringing :)[21:58:26] <plfiorini> they have done all their work which is great - it's really great when you phone the customer and ask how they are working and they tell you "it's all good, no problems here"[21:59:04] <plfiorini> and they add "mmm ok we have to print 1600 documents produced by your software but our printer sucks"[21:59:19] <plfiorini> "so it's not _your_ fault"[22:04:05] *** xenonsoft has joined #haiku[22:05:36] *** genkie has quit IRC[22:06:28] *** genkie has joined #haiku[22:07:10] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[22:14:23] *** PieterPan has joined #haiku[22:14:30] <telomere> why do people use if (0) and if (1) without explanation? i don't get it ;|[22:14:51] *** LeandroLuiz is now known as LeandroLuiz[OFF][22:17:35] *** xenonsoft has quit IRC[22:19:32] *** xenonsoft has joined #haiku[22:21:39] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[22:22:09] <umccullough> telomere, cuz it's an easy way to turn on/off a block of code ;)[22:22:21] <umccullough> honestly, i find it stupid also[22:25:52] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[22:26:09] <CIA-22> marcusoverhagen * r22146 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/scsi/ahci/ (4 files): forward scsi request to the ports[22:28:44] <pyCube_> umccullough: commenting out isnt good?[22:28:50] <pyCube_> heh[22:29:03] <pyCube_> seems weird to me[22:29:14] <umccullough> pyCube_, i don't use that method... just describing why some do[22:29:21] <pyCube_> i know[22:29:34] <umccullough> my favorite was in some old VB5 code i dug up once[22:29:38] <pyCube_> i am responding rhetorically.. or something[22:29:39] <pyCube_> hehe[22:29:47] <umccullough> it was a select..end select block[22:29:56] <umccullough> first statement was "case true:"[22:30:26] <umccullough> and, the idiot even had a "default:" block with code in it afterward[22:30:55] <umccullough> once he had written that gem, he felt it was necessary to copy/paste that block of code all over the place[22:30:57] <pyCube_> i sometimes find myself trying to make weirdly negative labeled bools.. like notActive[22:31:14] <pyCube_> it leads to confusing if/if not's[22:31:19] *** LeandroLuiz[OFF] is now known as LeandroLuiz[22:31:30] <umccullough> yeah, i work with a guy that creates bools like "disableEdit"[22:31:37] <umccullough> fucking genius :P[22:31:42] *** rgb has left #haiku[22:32:06] <pyCube_> its understandable.. in english, it sometimes makes sense to approach things liek that[22:32:33] <umccullough> he's the same guy who always gets his boolean logic all messed up in complicated if/then statements[22:32:37] <umccullough> and i have to help him fix it[22:32:42] <Thom_Holwerda> ok, so this is what all the hubbub is about[22:32:51] <Thom_Holwerda> [using vmware to run haiku][22:33:08] *** xenonsoft has quit IRC[22:34:09] <telomere> umccullough, if it's commenting out how do you explain "if (1)" ^_^[22:34:09] <umccullough> Thom_Holwerda, are you thoroughly unimpressed? ;)[22:34:21] <umccullough> telomere, if (1) turns on the code![22:34:29] <Thom_Holwerda> im just not used to this whole virtualisation crap[22:34:35] <Thom_Holwerda> it still feels like cheating.[22:35:02] <umccullough> Thom_Holwerda, sure it's cheating - but when you plan to upgrade every few hours, it's a hell of a lot easier that way ;)[22:35:04] <Begasus> hmm getting a 'conflicting types for 'get_game_colorRGB'' error here ... anyone seen this?[22:35:23] *** silverpower has quit IRC[22:35:28] <umccullough> Begasus, is it rgb_color?[22:35:33] <telomere> ^_^[22:36:00] <umccullough> telomere, you ever read worsethanfailure.com?[22:36:36] <Begasus> I think it's inside SDL_Color umccullough[22:37:04] <Begasus> 2 files mention about the same line ..[22:37:49] *** frankps has quit IRC[22:38:11] *** silverpower has joined #haiku[22:41:59] <telomere> umccullough, http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Please-Write-This-Down.aspx[22:42:02] <telomere> ^_^[22:43:17] <umccullough> heh, saw that the other day ;)[22:47:10] <telomere> i was going to install haiku today but my video card is not supported :([22:48:18] *** genkie has quit IRC[22:48:18] <umccullough> what card?[22:48:28] <umccullough> chance are, it probably works in VESA mode just fine[22:49:02] <umccullough> and you'd probably be surprised at how well Haiku runs in VESA mode ;)[22:49:10] <CIA-22> marcusoverhagen * r22147 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/scsi/ahci/ahci_controller.cpp: enable interrupts[22:49:11] <telomere> it is one of the newer nvidia nv50 based cards[22:49:33] <umccullough> yeah, probably be a while before that's supported[22:49:47] <umccullough> there's currently nobody maintaining the nvidia driver...[22:50:04] <umccullough> still, i'm sure it'll work in vesa just fine[22:51:12] <telomere> in native widescreen resolution?[22:52:26] *** PieterPan has left 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I'm now comfortably back on Sabayon.[23:06:51] *** rdmr has quit IRC[23:08:02] <Thom_Holwerda> wow just saw a commercial for a game called "Bioshock"[23:08:16] <Thom_Holwerda> jesus, even *I* nearly want to buy an xbox.[23:08:27] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[23:08:42] *** Ketsuban has joined #haiku[23:09:10] <telomere> Thom_Holwerda, there is a pc version too[23:09:22] <Thom_Holwerda> i dont have a pc powerful enough for that.[23:09:43] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:12:50] <telomere> does sdl compile on beos?[23:13:01] *** ackcontrols has quit IRC[23:15:09] <geist> i thought it did[23:15:26] <pyCube_> it did at one point for sure[23:15:33] <pyCube_> no idea if it still does[23:16:43] <pyCube_> i tried to make a game based on my daughters using sdl in beos once[23:17:16] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:17:18] <pyCube_> a twist on the old bomber game where you had to catch bombs in a bucket of water[23:18:06] <pyCube_> cept in my game, it was about cleaning their room.. and the youngest daughter was the bad guy, standing at the toy box throwing toys out[23:24:21] <Thom_Holwerda> pyCube_: heh[23:24:40] <Thom_Holwerda> you just bombarded yourself to "cool" in my book :)[23:24:49] <Thom_Holwerda> good one.[23:25:02] <pyCube_> heh[23:31:48] <Begasus> w00t[23:31:57] <Begasus> compiled FreeCiv ;)[23:40:47] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[23:43:41] <Thom_Holwerda> omg omg omg[23:43:50] <Thom_Holwerda> beos dev ed 2.1 boots on my laptop[23:44:04] *** A-v-S has quit IRC[23:44:17] <Thom_Holwerda> the app server doesnt start but hey[23:44:21] <Thom_Holwerda> at least its something.[23:44:23] <Ketsuban> Ooh, there's an idea. I could try booting Haiku on my laptop, assuming it still works after I remove the crumbs caked onto it.[23:45:18] <Ketsuban> Or I could just run it in VMware or similar, but where's the adventure in that? :P[23:56:28] *** rdmr has quit IRC