July 30, 2005 
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July 30, 2005 [00:00:50] *** thies has quit IRC[00:03:52] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[00:06:13] <@phoudoin> who have a recent Haiku screenshot showing ListItem class at work?[00:07:32] * Dr_Evil writes a random-sort library for ZETA[00:08:06] <@phoudoin> I think I've fixed an AA display issue do to wrong lowcolor, but I can't test as I don't have non-SMP system(s).[00:08:39] <@phoudoin> random-sort library... care to elaborate?[00:08:45] *** Begasus has quit IRC[00:09:17] <@phoudoin> BTW, Dr_Evil, could you move up the Media team progress level to reflect better the current stage on Haiku web site?[00:09:41] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[00:10:40] <@phoudoin> http://haiku-os.org/learn.php?mode=status: is Media kit really only 10% done?[00:11:02] <@phoudoin> I guess no. 50 or even 60% sounds more realistic, no?[00:12:09] <@Dr_Evil> no i can't[00:12:20] *** valexey__ has quit IRC[00:12:40] * Dr_Evil really has no idea how, where or with which passwort that can be updated[00:12:41] <@phoudoin> lost your team admin login?[00:13:28] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[00:13:42] *** thies has joined #haiku[00:15:09] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[00:17:23] *** valexey has joined #haiku[00:28:48] *** jeramy has quit IRC[00:30:28] *** phoudoin has quit IRC[00:32:08] *** ukturl has quit IRC[00:33:31] *** slaad has joined #haiku[00:36:12] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[00:37:35] *** Koki2 has quit IRC[00:38:33] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[00:41:36] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[00:43:28] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[00:52:02] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[01:05:34] *** stippi has quit IRC[01:12:15] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:14:09] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[01:29:52] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[01:43:32] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:45:07] *** arbiter_dev has joined #haiku[01:48:24] *** fyysik has quit IRC[01:51:03] *** LupusMichaelis has quit IRC[02:01:17] *** valexey has quit IRC[02:26:55] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[02:35:17] *** _olaf has joined #haiku[02:40:01] *** Mazon is now known as mazon[02:47:13] *** the_faulkenator has quit IRC[02:57:20] *** Stomper has joined #haiku[02:58:19] *** _olaf has quit IRC[03:44:20] *** scanty` is now known as scanty[03:44:29] <scanty> all this time I didn't even realise.[04:08:07] *** NathanW has left #haiku[04:21:42] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has quit IRC[04:25:52] *** fyysik has quit IRC[04:46:39] *** Koki2 has joined #haiku[04:52:51] *** MikeW has quit IRC[05:13:43] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[05:16:16] *** LeandroLuiz is now known as LeandroLuiz[OFF][05:19:12] *** jdrake has joined #haiku[05:21:43] *** slaad has quit IRC[05:48:12] *** jdrake has quit IRC[05:57:40] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[06:22:59] *** [Beta] has quit IRC[15:42:13] *** [Beta] has joined #haiku[15:42:30] <[Beta]> ciao[15:49:41] *** Belial- has joined #haiku[15:50:08] *** Methe has joined #haiku[15:56:46] <[Beta]> this "demo" livecd from Zeta, how is it crippled ?[15:57:13] <tic> you probably can't install stuff onto your hard drive.:)[15:57:56] <[Beta]> but you could mount a befs drive to work off? hmm, might be worth it if it'll run on my pc.[15:58:54] <@mmu_man> it's not supposed to[15:59:23] <@mmu_man> but nothing is impossible :)[15:59:32] <tic> ask![15:59:32] <tic> send an e-mail.[16:01:58] <Belial-> hehe the real version is crippled :) the Preferences app doesn't work if you use the radeon driver[16:02:04] <Belial-> works fine in VESA mode though[16:02:46] <Belial-> 30 15:02:46 <Belial-> 3 threads just waiting .. no gui[16:03:17] <Belial-> http://yellowtab.com/phorum/phorum.php?read,5,119378,119378#msg-119378[16:03:22] <Belial-> same problem with other drivers it seems[16:04:43] <[Beta]> bummer. wonder when zeta 1.0.1 is out, next week?[16:05:17] <agentmumu> hehe, in printed press: http://kurier.at/kult/news/1063905.php[16:05:22] <agentmumu> (ok this is an online version ;)[16:05:38] <Belial-> it's a shame to call it 1.0 considering bugs are plentiful[16:07:28] *** Methe_ has joined #haiku[16:07:28] *** Methe has quit IRC[16:10:00] *** Methe_ has quit IRC[16:10:01] *** Methe__ has joined #haiku[16:10:03] *** mahlzeit has joined #haiku[16:10:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mahlzeit[16:15:54] *** tic has quit IRC[16:16:24] *** gonz has joined #haiku[16:23:04] *** Proctop has quit IRC[16:23:56] *** Spino^zzz^ has joined #haiku[16:26:04] *** Belial- has quit IRC[16:26:19] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[16:27:00] *** Velcro_SP has joined #haiku[16:27:05] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[16:27:45] *** NathanW has joined #haiku[16:29:22] <Velcro_SP> How far does Haiku have to go before there is a user-friendly working distro for a non-BeOS afficianado to download and try?[16:29:54] <[Beta]> unsure really. christmas for an early alpha, maybe(?)[16:30:17] <[Beta]> depends on progress. and what you'd be ok with.[16:30:47] <Velcro_SP> should I get Zeta 1.0?[16:31:58] <Velcro_SP> I like this graphic: http://haiku-os.org/learn.php?mode=status[16:32:28] <Spino^zzz^> no^zzz^> no dont buy it...[16:33:20] <Spino^zzz^> ino^zzz^> i did.... and the first it did was deleting the biggest beos partision i had...[16:33:41] <Velcro_SP> Spino, I would only install it on a blank system.[16:33:56] <Velcro_SP> Spino, but I understand that would be terrible.[16:33:58] <Spino^zzz^> and the secound thing was that the media app didnt work nice...[16:34:11] <Velcro_SP> no DIVX or XVID I heard.[16:34:30] <Spino^zzz^> ino^zzz^> i have an audigy2 card... and it crashes..![16:34:44] <Spino^zzz^> all the time[16:35:06] <Velcro_SP> Spino, you have the regular 1.0 CD and package etc.?[16:35:34] <Spino^zzz^> ino^zzz^> i have the regular 1.0 cd yea!.[16:35:54] <Velcro_SP> Not that DVD-style package?[16:36:18] <Spino^zzz^> donno..[16:37:12] <Velcro_SP> http://www.yellowtab.com/images/keys/home_en.png[16:37:20] <Velcro_SP> Spino, is that what you have?[16:37:28] <Spino^zzz^> yea![16:38:07] <Velcro_SP> Spino, and you don't like it? You want to sell it?[16:38:20] <Spino^zzz^> naa...[16:38:34] <Spino^zzz^> im waiting a bit longer.... to see if they can fix the problem.[16:40:15] <Velcro_SP> okay[16:40:29] <Velcro_SP> I see it is on eBay, maybe I'll get it there.[16:43:22] *** mmadia has quit IRC[16:44:00] <Spino^zzz^> Velcro Why dont wait til haiku is finnished "mutch better[16:47:27] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[16:49:21] <Velcro_SP> Spino, did you say "wait?" That's the word of death for alternative OSs.[16:49:51] <[Beta]> its not an alternative OS.[16:50:00] <[Beta]> its _the_ OS :)[16:50:33] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[16:51:15] <fyysik> anybody succeed with FinePix webcam driver already?[16:57:13] *** Methe__ has quit IRC[17:03:03] *** Belial- has joined #haiku[17:04:25] *** NathanW has quit IRC[17:04:56] *** FireGlacial has joined #haiku[17:08:01] *** tic has joined #haiku[17:08:12] <[Beta]> "That plus BeOS not being able to mount encrypted USB stick, well it's obvious what would be the point of encryption otherwise?" .. dumb quote from osnews[17:08:14] <[Beta]> wb tic[17:09:05] <tic> thanks. Net went down.[17:09:47] <[Beta]> where? ^.^[17:10:58] <tic> here, of course.[17:17:42] <Velcro_SP> Beta, well the user should be queried for the password.[17:18:13] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[17:19:00] <[Beta]> Velcro_SP: that is true; but the tail end of the comment implied people shouldn't be able to read it at all (?)[17:19:43] <Spino^zzz^> someone know if i can use more than 3 buttons when haiku komes?[17:19:53] <Spino^zzz^> name Spino^^[17:20:00] <SiCuTDeUx> Hi![17:20:39] *** Spino^zzz^ is now known as Spino^^[17:21:59] *** Proctop has joined #haiku[17:22:40] <Velcro_SP> Okay, I went ahead and ordered Zeta from Purplus: http://store.purplus.net/.[17:22:52] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[17:22:57] <Velcro_SP> http://store.purplus.net/[17:24:10] <Spino^^> is corum3 working on zeta now?[17:27:18] *** b3w has joined #haiku[17:32:14] <FireGlacial> Zeta Live CD[17:32:25] <tic> huh?[17:36:17] <Velcro_SP> FireG, I am not so sure that is out already.[17:37:05] <Velcro_SP> FireG, it looks like Eugenia at OSNews may have noticed a dealer was selling it. Does that mean that it is out already? I am not so sure.[17:37:28] *** no_zero has quit IRC[17:53:03] <FireGlacial> http://www.rederecord.com.br/programas/showdotom/oinfeliz2.asp[17:53:06] *** b3w has quit IRC[17:57:26] *** ChrisHJW has quit IRC[18:03:26] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[18:07:01] *** Velcro_SP has quit IRC[18:08:15] *** Nick2 has joined #haiku[18:09:20] *** FireGlacial has quit IRC[18:21:44] <Spino^^> hmmm how can someone teste if the bfs filesystem works?[18:21:46] *** Nick2 has quit IRC[18:22:36] <@mmu_man> google:practical file system design[18:23:12] <Spino^^> and then?[18:23:16] <Belial-> hmm .. if it works .. not how?[18:23:20] <Belial-> checkbfs ?[18:23:47] <Spino^^> hehe ok[18:23:59] * tic pets his copy[18:24:06] <tic> someone (ahem) should port bfs to Windows.[18:24:26] <Spino^^> lol[18:24:40] <tic> so I could have an USB-disk (whenever it starts working in ZETA ;) w/ a BFS volume and a 1G FAT16 volume to let me access the other things.[18:24:49] <tic> (as my home folder)[18:25:04] <Spino^^> why not make ntfs for beos :P[18:25:11] <tic> There is already[18:25:16] <Spino^^> writeable[18:25:18] <tic> but the point is that I want to carry my USB-disk with me.[18:25:19] <Spino^^> ?[18:25:22] <tic> not the other way around.[18:25:27] <Spino^^> hehe[18:25:37] <tic> i.e., connect it to a windows 'puter and be able to access my data, possibly installing the BFS driver first.[18:26:35] <Spino^^> hehe thats true...[18:28:41] *** crash_ has joined #haiku[18:30:28] *** ChrisK077 has joined #haiku[18:30:57] *** DCUno has joined #haiku[18:31:28] *** gonz has quit IRC[18:33:32] <Spino^^> why hasnt aneyone made an app that use 5 buttons on the mouse + wheel so that we can use all the buttons on the mouse?[18:35:28] <tic> Feel free to write a driver.[18:35:35] <tic> and actually...[18:36:00] <tic> http://www.bebits.com/app/3202[18:39:02] *** Belial- has quit IRC[18:40:12] *** Belial- has joined #haiku[18:44:42] <fyysik> Spino^^ - NTFS? pay USD 1000 for MS for dev kit and then royalty for each driver copy distributed. Even antivirus companies are now in same trouble with NTFS[18:46:26] <Konrad> Thats a really good thing for Microsoft.[18:46:38] <fyysik> btw, anyone remember what is biggest input file size for BeOS zip tool - 2GB? 4GB[18:46:53] <Konrad> fyysik do you have to pay microsoft for all software released on Windows?[18:47:27] <fyysik> Konrad - that's idea about YT rather. As they are "official" company[18:47:32] *** valexey has joined #haiku[18:47:44] <fyysik> or Be Inc in past[18:47:45] <Konrad> fyysik what do you mean?[18:47:57] <Konrad> Ah, you mean if YT writes a driver for NTFS?[18:48:50] <fyysik> Konrad - if you meant that we can use "free" version of NTFS driver (if i understood correctly your question) - we do, as end users if we get it somewhere.[18:49:08] <fyysik> but YT or Be Inc cannot do it in that way[18:49:18] <Konrad> Ah[18:49:31] <Konrad> How does Linux/BSD do?[18:49:46] <Konrad> and every other OS that can be downloaded for free[18:49:59] <@mahlzeit> without the dev kit, obviously ;-)[18:50:21] <Konrad> Then, there shouldnt be a problem by porting that driver?[18:53:15] *** valexey has quit IRC[18:57:14] *** DCUno is now known as DC1[18:58:17] *** dabeej_ has joined #haiku[19:04:06] * SiCuTDeUx is away: No estoy! deja tu mensaje despues del beep!...... BEEEEP!!![19:06:18] *** dabeej_ is now known as dabeej[19:13:03] <fyysik> Konrad - i think RH cannot. Or other "commerical" distros. Same as with mp3 and DVD playback[19:13:23] <Konrad> AHa[19:15:28] <fyysik> "3.2 Can the Driver write to an NTFS volume, too?" - http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html#3.2[19:16:53] <fyysik> some solutions do use wrapper around the original Microsoft Windows ntfs.sys driver.[19:18:10] <fyysik> so you have either very limited and buggy write support or should use original MS solution in this or that form - be it ntfs.sys or license from MS[19:19:40] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[19:20:21] <Konrad> Ouch[19:20:25] <Konrad> Thanks for Fat32 =)[19:22:18] <dabeej> sad[19:22:51] <dabeej> oops wrong window[19:26:24] *** dabeej_ has joined #haiku[19:40:32] *** ablyss has quit IRC[19:40:43] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[19:44:24] *** dabeej has quit IRC[19:55:34] *** evdubs has joined #haiku[19:57:47] *** mahlzeit has quit IRC[20:05:21] *** BNickName has joined #haiku[20:20:52] *** kakashi10 has joined #haiku[20:21:09] <kakashi10> hello[20:22:03] <kakashi10> is the haiku network stack usable with a 3Com c59x card?[20:25:44] *** dabeej__ has joined #haiku[20:28:58] <SiCuTDeUx> its yT nuts?[20:29:27] <SiCuTDeUx> charging 10 euros for a demo cd?[20:29:36] <SiCuTDeUx> whats advertising for?[20:29:45] <fyysik> why not? production costs:)[20:29:48] <SiCuTDeUx> they are that desesperated?[20:30:25] <SiCuTDeUx> yeah it costs! but, why dont make it avaible for download[20:30:34] <fyysik> go get SkyOS pre-betas for free, for example[20:30:37] <fyysik> heh[20:30:49] <SiCuTDeUx> iCuTDeUx> i now![20:30:57] <SiCuTDeUx> well, they sure have a business plan![20:31:13] <SiCuTDeUx> Bernd now whats he is doing! i think![20:31:43] *** dabeej has joined #haiku[20:32:08] <SiCuTDeUx> they have a future, using haiku development[20:32:41] <SiCuTDeUx> like Licorys, xandros... or any comercial linux[20:32:47] <SiCuTDeUx> or linspire[20:33:25] *** ChrisHJW has joined #haiku[20:33:50] <SiCuTDeUx> anyway, how is haiku networking kit?[20:34:01] <SiCuTDeUx> going for bsd stack?[20:38:08] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[20:39:23] *** dabeej has quit IRC[20:42:33] *** aaaa has joined #haiku[20:43:46] *** aaaa has quit IRC[20:44:15] *** dabeej_ has quit IRC[20:44:21] *** Nick2 has joined #haiku[20:45:22] *** Nick2 is now known as Velcro_SP[20:50:38] *** dabeej__ has quit IRC[20:51:49] *** Konrad has quit IRC[20:55:06] *** dabeej has joined #haiku[20:57:16] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[20:58:24] *** stargater has joined #haiku[20:58:27] <stargater> hi all[21:03:16] *** ChrisHJW is now known as matroska_proteam[21:08:17] *** ChrisK077 has quit IRC[21:16:40] *** dabeej_ has joined #haiku[21:19:55] *** dabeej__ has joined #haiku[21:21:59] <stargater> stippi hi , pleas look later you query . THX[21:22:16] *** dabeej__ has quit IRC[21:25:42] *** Methe has joined #haiku[21:25:46] *** Methe_ has joined #haiku[21:26:11] *** Methe has quit IRC[21:26:29] *** Methe_ has quit IRC[21:34:50] *** Methe has joined #haiku[21:34:53] *** dabeej has quit IRC[21:34:57] *** Spino^^ has quit IRC[21:35:58] *** dabeej_ has quit IRC[21:38:09] *** BNickName has quit IRC[21:41:32] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[21:42:41] <Methe> Evening Dr_Evil[21:51:19] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[21:53:03] *** DaneScott has quit IRC[21:53:53] *** Belial- has quit IRC[21:56:52] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[22:02:42] *** NathanW has joined #haiku[22:09:06] *** valexey has joined #haiku[22:13:20] *** NathanW has quit IRC[22:13:54] <Zaranthos> mmu_man[22:13:59] <@mmu_man> plop[22:14:20] <Zaranthos> Got a few minutes mmu_man?[22:14:58] <@mmu_man> sure[22:15:24] <Zaranthos> PvPGN is switching to an automake system and now it doesn't build on BeOS (Zeta RC3 is what I have).[22:15:30] <Zaranthos> ranlib libtinycdb.a[22:15:31] <Zaranthos> source='cdb.c' object='cdb.o' libtool=no \[22:15:32] <Zaranthos> DEPDIR=.deps depmode=none /bin/sh ../../depcomp \[22:15:32] <Zaranthos> gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../../src -fno-strict-aliasing -g -O2 -c cdb.c[22:15:33] <Zaranthos> gcc -g -O2 -o bncdb cdb.o ../../src/common/libcommon.a libtinycdb.a -lpcap -lz -lsocket -lbind[22:15:34] <Zaranthos> libtinycdb.a(cdb_init.o): In function `cdb_init':[22:15:34] <Zaranthos> /boot/home/PvPGN Source/pvpgn-1.7.8-CVS/src/tinycdb/cdb_init.c:32: undefined reference to `pmmap'[22:15:35] <Zaranthos> libtinycdb.a(cdb_init.o): In function `cdb_free':[22:15:37] <Zaranthos> /boot/home/PvPGN Source/pvpgn-1.7.8-CVS/src/tinycdb/cdb_init.c:67: undefined reference to `pmunmap'[22:15:39] <Zaranthos> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status[22:15:41] <Zaranthos> make[3]: *** [bncdb] Error 1[22:15:43] <Zaranthos> make[3]: Leaving directory `/boot/home/PvPGN Source/pvpgn-1.7.8-CVS/src/tinycdb'[22:15:45] <Zaranthos> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1[22:15:47] <Zaranthos> make[2]: Leaving directory `/boot/home/PvPGN Source/pvpgn-1.7.8-CVS/src'[22:15:49] <Zaranthos> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1[22:15:51] <Zaranthos> make[1]: Leaving directory `/boot/home/PvPGN Source/pvpgn-1.7.8-CVS'[22:15:53] <Zaranthos> make: *** [all] Error 2[22:16:24] <Zaranthos> Configure seemed to finish ok.[22:17:16] *** illissius- has joined #haiku[22:17:32] <@mmu_man> looks like portmapper crap[22:17:38] <@mmu_man> we don't have that[22:18:06] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:18:46] <Zaranthos> Care to take a look at the source?[22:25:35] *** illissius has quit IRC[22:31:09] <Dr_Evil> I'm sooo bored[22:31:17] <@mmu_man> so am I[22:31:32] <@mmu_man> watching SGA 201 in loop[22:32:02] <Dr_Evil> watching MASH 4077[22:32:15] <Dr_Evil> I really have no intention to do any coding at the moment[22:32:42] <Dr_Evil> considering that i'm doing so much debugging at work, don't want to continue at home[22:32:58] <Dr_Evil> ...suicide is painless...[22:33:52] <@mmu_man> is it ?[22:34:00] <MYOB> I'm listening to crappy 1990's dance music, stuck in Windows[22:34:03] <@mmu_man> probably not by jumping out of the window[22:34:19] <@mmu_man> and I wouldn't make M$ this joy =)[22:34:19] <MYOB> so I have the lot of yiz beaten for mindlessness[22:34:33] <Dr_Evil> mmu_man thats the MASH4077 theme song[22:34:41] <@mmu_man> ah[22:35:29] <MYOB> MC Sar & The Real McCoy - Runaway[22:35:33] <MYOB> utter crap, really[22:36:50] <@mmu_man> seems as good as the OS that plays them :)[22:37:08] <MYOB> BeOS plays them fine on this machine[22:37:16] <MYOB> thankfully I have supported sound, rare on an old laptop[22:37:20] <@mmu_man> :)[22:37:29] <MYOB> no supported video though, and no easy way to get it - nasty, nasty driver[22:37:51] <Dr_Evil> MYOB why don't you do your own?[22:38:05] <MYOB> Dr_Evil thats what I'm doing[22:38:12] <@mmu_man> what chip ?[22:38:18] <@mmu_man> ah the intel one ?[22:38:22] <MYOB> but the driver needs to be able to steal RAM, after boot[22:38:31] <MYOB> which I've not seen any way to do[22:38:44] * Dr_Evil needed some contract development at work, 340 for 80EUR/hour[22:38:51] <Dr_Evil> 340 hours[22:39:06] <@mmu_man> as I said already, other driver do allocate a locked area and fiddle with the mmu inside the gfx chip[22:39:40] <MYOB> if I could even have it nick the RAM before VESA init, that'd be great; but I believe thats not possible with the way BeOS does VESA[22:39:55] <MYOB> I can live with 16 bit colour, card doesn't even do decent quality 32 bit, but 8 bit is killer[22:42:09] <MYOB> to all intents and purposes, the card is a bitch to write drivers for at any level[22:43:40] *** jdrake has joined #haiku[22:44:05] <MYOB> 32 bit colour on it seems to be a kludge, so much so that the official Intel drivers look better at 24 in Windows[22:44:49] <Dr_Evil> there is no visible difference between 24 and 32 bit color[22:45:43] <MYOB> on this card, theres a visible degredation with 32 bit colour, due to the card being utter crap and having some insane way of doing 32 bit colour[22:46:07] <MYOB> XOrg drivers for it are nasty as goes colour depth managment[22:46:32] <MYOB> I'd get another laptop rather than write the damn driver if I could find a small 12" x86 without an Intel chi[22:48:05] *** kakashi10 has quit IRC[22:49:43] <MYOB> and the fact that a Vaio-alike in looks costs more than I can afford, and I don't want to downgrade from this, shinyness wise[22:54:08] *** be_user has joined #haiku[22:55:07] *** be_user has quit IRC[22:58:02] *** Kakashi1 has joined #haiku[23:00:12] *** Kakashi1 has quit IRC[23:02:10] *** MYOB has quit IRC[23:03:49] <DC1> MYOB: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/notebook/nb/pro_nb_detail.php?UID=608[23:03:50] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[23:04:31] <DC1> MYOB: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/notebook/nb/pro_nb_detail.php?UID=608[23:04:48] <scanty> hey, it's MYOB[23:05:53] *** oco has quit IRC[23:06:42] <MYOB> yes, it is[23:06:52] <scanty> :)[23:06:56] <MYOB> just here while leeching a rather large file[23:07:05] <scanty> ah[23:07:21] <MYOB> 540MB, faster on 3Mbit than 1Mbit, or so I thought... not getting over 50K[23:07:33] <scanty> whatcha downloading?[23:07:41] <MYOB> DC1 looks OK, but its AMD[23:07:42] <scanty> or is it a secret ^-^[23:07:48] <MYOB> no go with R5[23:07:59] <MYOB> not without utter pain and anguish anyway[23:08:01] <scanty> I dont' like AMD either :)[23:08:25] <MYOB> scanty nuclear missle plans and the source code for a driver to convert my printer to a polymer former :)[23:08:42] <scanty> oh, nice :)[23:08:51] <DC1> MYOB: nah... it's just an excuse[23:09:07] <DC1> off to get some food[23:10:52] * fyysik is thinking about getting second notebook[23:11:05] <MYOB> right, I'm off to the pub[23:11:05] <fyysik> with C3 or Transmeta[23:11:08] <MYOB> will BBL[23:11:17] <MYOB> fyysik wait for the C7 notebooks, if they come out[23:11:21] <MYOB> will be a lot faster[23:11:36] <scanty> C3 is a really crappy CPU[23:11:36] <MYOB> my Transmeta was nice but the surrounding machine had terrible build quality[23:11:47] <MYOB> either way, gtgf[23:11:48] <fyysik> scanty - i need laptop[23:11:53] *** MYOB has quit IRC[23:11:54] <fyysik> not desktop replacement[23:12:10] <fyysik> with micro heat polution[23:12:14] <scanty> ah[23:12:19] <scanty> well C3 only has 64k cache[23:12:22] <scanty> so it's not so much fun[23:12:23] <fyysik> and not battery gready[23:13:03] <scanty> I hear centrino is pretty good stuff[23:13:07] <scanty> but might be a little expensive[23:13:08] *** jdrake has quit IRC[23:13:44] <fyysik> no one of budget models incl Centrino i tried at work and in friends hands fullfil la[top idea[23:14:03] <fyysik> in last 2 years[23:14:41] <scanty> :([23:14:47] <scanty> hard to find a BeOS laptop[23:14:50] <fyysik> http://desknote.ee/b532.php - maybe something like that[23:16:14] <scanty> looks nice[23:16:19] <scanty> I don't know too much about transmeta, though[23:16:30] <fyysik> or that - http://desknote.ee/b320.php - aluminium case, all possible "legacy" ports[23:17:12] <@mmu_man> egacy is good[23:17:20] <fyysik> about USD 500[23:17:28] <@mmu_man> when it avoids you having to hack in parallel port debugging output :)[23:27:52] <tic> Wish my laptop had at least a serial port.[23:28:00] <tic> A C3-Nehemiah is fairly good.[23:28:07] <tic> Centrino (or rather, Pentium M) rules.[23:28:48] <@mmu_man> well if you have a parallel port you can do kernel debugging with zeta :D[23:29:48] <tic> bah, think I'd have a par port if I don't have a serial port? Not very likeley, Francois. :)[23:30:08] <tic> in my experience, they lose the par port first and then the serial.[23:30:24] <Dr_Evil> ...suicide is painless...[23:30:28] <fyysik> [v[23:30:31] <fyysik> hm[23:30:37] <tic> Dr_Evil, .... ?[23:30:43] <@mmu_man> tic well the asus lappy I have here does[23:30:45] <fyysik> there is paralel port in my Thinkpad. But no serial[23:30:48] <@mmu_man> // port but no serial[23:30:50] <tic> mmu_man, that's really weird.[23:30:54] <tic> or at least from what I know.[23:31:02] <fyysik> and that not only case[23:31:06] <@mmu_man> no that's stupid minds acting under influence from M$[23:31:09] <fyysik> because prib[23:31:11] <tic> top thing I want supported in my thinkpad, though, is an i855 driver.[23:31:12] <Dr_Evil> thats because it has a buildin modem,[23:31:18] <tic> (and suspend to disk wouldn't hurt either....)[23:31:21] <fyysik> because printers are usually more expesive than mices[23:31:27] <fyysik> or whatelse uses serial[23:31:39] <scanty> I still think paralell and serial ports are very useful.[23:31:40] <tic> aren't all printers usb today?[23:31:55] <tic> a paralell port is a nice 8-pin gpio[23:32:20] <tic> on the other hand, it's not -that- bad to just kill a gamepad and use that. You only get 8 inputs, though. :/[23:32:42] <tic> bbl, Beverly Hills Cop II[23:32:54] <fyysik> tic - there is no reason to throw in garbage "old" printers for whose you paid from 100 to 3000 USD :)[23:33:05] <tic> fyysik, of course not. I'm talking new ones.[23:33:06] <tic> *wroom*[23:33:10] <fyysik> yup[23:33:22] <fyysik> some new ones are dual-port, some - USB-only[23:37:15] *** adamk has joined #haiku[23:39:08] <adamk> So I finally got Haiku installed onto it's own partition, and I just have to comment on how absolutely amazed I am.[23:43:47] <[Beta]> good good :)[23:44:09] <adamk> Yeah, you guys have done an incredible job.[23:53:39] *** Spino^^ has joined #haiku[23:54:36] <@mmu_man> zz[23:54:43] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:55:05] <Spino^^> is here an working haiku image yet??? "alpha/beta" version?[23:55:13] <[Beta]> its been quite quiet in here as of late.[23:55:32] <[Beta]> Spino^^: check http://www.schmidp.com/blog/ for pre-alpha images.[23:55:49] <Spino^^> oooo yeah tnx :D[23:59:12] *** Methe has quit IRC[23:59:17] <[Beta]> fyysik: still have that desk-lizard? [from http://zetanews.com/module.php?mod=node&id=123&page=5]