July 23, 2005 
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July 23, 2005 [00:02:41] *** Methe has quit IRC[00:04:50] *** oco has quit IRC[00:08:38] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[00:08:48] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[00:20:17] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[00:20:26] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[00:20:50] *** M199 has joined #haiku[00:22:00] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[00:22:39] <phoudoin> hi[00:24:32] <Fanskapet> phoudoin you had right that Zeta didn't solve my panel problem in my laptop :) although it's working far better in the laptop than ordinary BeOS does :)[00:27:01] <phoudoin> well, I guess we (as a community) should update Thomas's driver to support latest hardware. Rudolf can't do himself all gfx drivers. Plus, he don't have an ATI ;-)[00:27:29] * phoudoin wonders this last issue can be easily resolved and soon if we want ;-)[00:28:04] * phoudoin don't wonder, he plainly think in fact.[00:28:25] <Fanskapet> hehe true.. he's done a great deal with the nvidia driver[00:28:36] <Fanskapet> it's sad i've given away my GeForce 4 card :D[00:29:45] <phoudoin> hey, whatever one can think of ATI cards vs nVidia ones, Haiku/BeOS/Zeta should keep supporting both mainstream gfx cards.[00:30:13] <phoudoin> Except if ATI belly up soon.[00:30:16] <Fanskapet> ah well don't have any computer to use it on anyway... i have two fully BeOS supported computers though but one is my router running FreeBSD and the other one is my ubuntu file/webserver :)[00:30:39] <Fanskapet> hmm yeah ATi and Nvidia covers pretty much the whole market :)[00:30:50] <phoudoin> How FreeBSD support your ATI card? Fine?[00:31:18] <Fanskapet> still. easy to say for me that can't code C :D[00:31:29] <Fanskapet> phoudoin haven't tried FreeBSD on this laptop[00:31:34] <Fanskapet> but i have Ubuntu installed[00:31:40] <Fanskapet> and that worked nicely[00:31:53] <phoudoin> Well, we should also give some support to builtin chipset with GFX, like Intel Extreme Graphics family.[00:32:13] <Fanskapet> although i will get a black panel if i don't use the "linux vga=771" at the installation in text mode.[00:32:17] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:32:30] <phoudoin> So XFree's ATI DRM driver works fine with it.[00:32:31] <Fanskapet> but i can remove the 771 option after the installation has been complete in grub and boot just fine[00:32:38] <Fanskapet> yep[00:32:38] <Fanskapet> yep[00:32:45] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[00:32:51] <Fanskapet> both the original ubuntu one and the fglrx driver[00:33:03] <phoudoin> But comparing and backporting XFree Radeon DRM code to Thomas driver needs time...[00:33:17] <phoudoin> fglrx driver? what's this?[00:33:56] <Fanskapet> ATi's own driver with hardware OGL support in linux[00:33:57] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[00:34:06] <phoudoin> Oh; right.[00:34:26] *** slaad has joined #haiku[00:34:34] <phoudoin> But we can't get any help from this closed source driver to fix our issue(s) with Thomas driver, right?[00:35:07] <Fanskapet> true.. can be a bit difficult:)[00:36:04] *** Master199 has quit IRC[00:36:09] <Fanskapet> but i think the original ubuntu driver is opensource[00:36:09] <phoudoin> I should go now, little boy is crying (yet another nighmare, I guess...)[00:36:17] <phoudoin> Bye all. CU soon.[00:36:18] <Fanskapet> :)[00:36:26] *** phoudoin has quit IRC[00:38:59] <PulkoMandy> +++[00:39:04] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[00:39:06] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[00:39:34] *** M199 has quit IRC[00:41:45] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[00:45:38] *** bencer has quit IRC[00:48:49] *** dos4 has joined #haiku[00:49:26] *** bogomipz has quit IRC[00:50:22] *** NathanW has joined #haiku[00:52:57] *** dos4 has quit IRC[01:00:49] *** fanskapet has joined #haiku[01:01:08] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:01:49] *** Mazon is now known as mazon[01:07:45] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[01:09:58] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[01:16:04] *** fanskapet has quit IRC[01:17:17] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[01:18:35] *** the_faulkenator has quit IRC[01:27:09] *** slaad has quit IRC[01:29:46] *** fanskapet has joined #haiku[01:33:29] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:36:44] *** Begasus has quit IRC[01:44:52] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:50:41] *** NathanW has quit IRC[01:51:01] *** fanskapet has quit IRC[02:05:57] *** jjkola has quit IRC[02:29:38] *** fyysik has quit IRC[02:34:21] *** MikeW has quit IRC[03:00:00] *** skoe has joined #haiku[03:00:18] <skoe> Hi.[03:17:00] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[03:32:40] <skoe> Am i the only one that gets "Permission Denied" on Berlios SVN?[03:48:55] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[03:50:48] *** TLF has quit IRC[03:52:04] <CIA-6> dlmcpaul * r13805 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/ (20 files in 6 dirs): pre-alpha mp4 reader[04:07:15] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[04:14:09] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[04:27:03] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[04:34:20] *** Vampyre has joined #haiku[04:36:34] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[04:47:15] *** skoe has quit IRC[04:52:32] *** skoe has joined #haiku[04:57:52] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[05:03:42] *** skoe has quit IRC[05:04:01] *** BetaMax has joined #haiku[05:10:51] *** mmadia has quit IRC[06:08:37] *** phuzzie has joined #haiku[06:14:53] *** illissius_ has joined #haiku[06:15:51] *** phuzzie has quit IRC[06:23:10] *** illissius- has quit IRC[06:37:48] *** Vampyre has left #haiku[07:00:23] *** JosephSpiros has joined #haiku[07:28:41] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[07:28:41] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[07:41:19] *** Methe has joined #haiku[07:42:04] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[08:07:41] *** thies has quit IRC[08:08:53] *** thies has joined #haiku[08:09:31] *** Monni has quit IRC[08:16:10] *** Methe has quit IRC[08:16:57] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[08:59:04] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[09:10:43] *** tqh has joined #haiku[09:38:12] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:54:25] *** tqh has quit IRC[10:05:05] *** TLF has joined #haiku[10:14:28] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[10:16:59] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[10:17:52] *** Koki has quit IRC[10:36:09] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[10:56:55] *** tqh has joined #haiku[11:03:02] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[11:04:54] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[11:12:17] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[11:18:59] *** tqh has quit IRC[12:00:48] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[12:16:43] *** tqh has joined #haiku[12:28:06] *** illissius_ is now known as illissius[12:37:42] *** Master199 has quit IRC[12:49:07] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[12:50:25] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[12:55:47] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[13:06:02] *** ChrisK077 has joined #haiku[13:12:01] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[13:12:04] *** fyysik has quit IRC[13:14:24] *** Master199 has quit IRC[13:15:24] *** Stomper has joined #haiku[13:31:08] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[13:34:12] *** Methe has joined #haiku[13:35:52] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[13:42:39] *** fyysik has quit IRC[13:45:47] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[13:46:51] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[13:56:30] *** Superfan has joined #haiku[13:58:16] *** TLF has quit IRC[13:58:42] *** Superfan is now known as TLF[13:59:58] *** Begasus has quit IRC[14:01:09] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[14:08:19] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:08:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[14:11:12] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[14:23:17] <CIA-6> rudolfc * r13806 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/via/engine/info.c: fixed refreshrate +5 percent setting error, Xtal was incorrectly set. Modesetting is now 100% OK on CLE266 and KM400, if a VESA mode was preset at boottime.[14:26:39] <tic> Anyone tried the new VIA driver?[14:28:43] *** masique has joined #haiku[14:29:12] *** fyysik has quit IRC[14:30:17] <tic> Any app_server guys around?[14:42:11] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[14:44:48] *** BetaMax has quit IRC[14:46:55] *** Methe has quit IRC[14:52:17] *** oco has joined #haiku[15:00:10] *** Methe has joined #haiku[15:12:24] *** flag_ has joined #haiku[15:22:31] <tic> Hello, anyone alive?[15:22:49] *** DaneScott has joined #haiku[15:22:56] <[Beta]> me, tic. Though i'm hardly useful :)[15:23:10] <tic> okay. wondering if anyone read my post on the list.[15:23:19] <tic> 'elo Dane.[15:23:20] <DaneScott> yo tic![15:23:27] *** flag____ has joined #haiku[15:23:35] * DaneScott drinks coffee, tries to wake up[15:23:38] <tic> Heh.[15:23:49] <DaneScott> tic hows the hard drive dilemma?[15:24:09] <tic> DaneScott, got myself a drive; just going to install R5 on it.[15:24:18] <DaneScott> oh coolness[15:25:13] <tic> I'd prefer a dedicated computer, though...hrm.[15:25:23] <tic> Don't like having to reboot into R5 each time I send out a build. :)[15:25:47] <[Beta]> tricky question tic[15:26:20] <tic> beta, yeah. as far as I know, you can run it on a specified graphics driver, just don't know.[15:26:56] <tic> err, not sure[15:26:57] <[Beta]> running the app_server as an app under r5, cant you just have it on the secondary screen? - or you want full screen ?[15:27:20] <tic> No, I want the app_server running completely -on- the second graphics card.[15:27:31] <tic> But, as an app under R5.[15:27:44] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[15:27:49] <tic> haiku_app_server /dev/graphics/nv9084209184 or whatever.[15:28:00] *** Mariux3 has joined #haiku[15:28:29] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[15:30:29] *** flag___ has quit IRC[15:32:15] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:34:15] *** flag___ has joined #haiku[15:39:16] *** flag_ has quit IRC[15:41:11] *** flag____ has quit IRC[15:43:41] *** ChrisK077 has quit IRC[15:45:52] *** miqlas has quit IRC[15:52:23] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[16:06:09] *** Methe has quit IRC[16:06:14] *** aGNUstic has joined #haiku[16:16:12] *** Stomper has quit IRC[16:27:13] *** aGNUstic has left #haiku[16:29:03] <Mariux3> if anyone know of any relativly easy tasks (userspace apps or something (preferences maybe)) that needs to be done, im up for the task[16:35:14] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[16:41:11] *** fyysik has quit IRC[16:41:24] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[16:53:49] *** Mandaryne has joined #haiku[16:54:57] *** Betabel has joined #haiku[16:55:34] *** Master199 has quit IRC[16:56:12] *** TLF has quit IRC[17:02:17] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[17:11:12] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[17:24:17] *** ChrisK077 has joined #haiku[17:26:00] *** tid-wave has joined #haiku[18:04:30] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:07:07] *** stargater has joined #haiku[18:07:12] <stargater> hi all[18:08:36] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[18:10:37] <ChrisK077> Hi, stargater. I read a posting on the haiku-os.org forums (http://www.haiku-os.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=476) yesterday about the 'svn update' command not working. I tried it yesterday evening and today, and can confirm the problem. I also get an error message 'can't connect to host 'svn.berlios.de'. Connection refused' Has anyone experienced this as well?[18:12:04] *** fyysik has quit IRC[18:23:10] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[18:27:47] *** oco has quit IRC[18:28:03] *** tid-wave has left #haiku[18:33:06] *** Euver has joined #haiku[18:33:07] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[18:33:26] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[18:37:13] *** Stomper has joined #haiku[18:52:18] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[18:54:42] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[18:54:56] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[18:55:59] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[18:56:28] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[18:56:57] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[18:57:15] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[18:58:54] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[18:59:26] <SiCuTDeUx> re[18:59:32] <SiCuTDeUx> hi![19:21:17] *** fyysik has quit IRC[19:23:06] *** Koki has joined #haiku[19:25:14] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[19:25:16] *** fyysik has quit IRC[19:27:52] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[19:40:54] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[19:41:50] *** tic has quit IRC[19:48:34] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[19:59:40] *** dos4 has joined #haiku[20:03:34] *** Euver has quit IRC[20:05:58] *** Euver has joined #haiku[20:08:52] *** ProctonW_ has quit IRC[20:11:15] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[20:14:01] *** Euver has quit IRC[20:17:01] *** ProctonW has joined #haiku[20:17:53] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[20:18:15] *** tic has joined #haiku[20:21:29] <tic> Hey, any of you guys gotten R5 to run in qemu or similar?[20:26:06] <SiCuTDeUx> in vmware and Virtual PC only on my side tic[20:28:46] <tic> SiCuTDeUx, how slow is it in vmware?[20:28:58] <tic> and, is VMWare available freely at all?[20:30:02] <tic> grr, I need a computer to run R5 on. this is stupid. :|[20:30:58] <CIA-6> axeld * r13807 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (8 files):[20:30:59] <CIA-6> Factored a MessageLooper class out of ServerWindow and ServerApp. Could still[20:30:59] <CIA-6> be improved a bit (Quit() and _MessageLooper() are empty right now).[20:30:59] <CIA-6> Removed ServerApp::PingTarget().[20:30:59] <CIA-6> Hopefully cleared some confusion about ServerApp::fClientLooperPort and fClientToken[20:30:59] <CIA-6> (previously fHandlerToken), even if it's currently unused.[20:39:45] *** Methe has joined #haiku[20:47:26] <CIA-6> rudolfc * r13808 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/via/engine/ (dac.c general.c): added preliminary K8M800 pixelPLL programming. Need feedback to determine if it works. Bumped version to 0.06.[20:47:54] <CIA-6> rudolfc * r13809 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/via/ (README.html UPDATE.html): updated docs.[20:48:46] <CIA-6> rudolfc * r13810 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/graphics/via/macros.h: updated registerdefines for K8M800 PLL.[20:56:28] *** illissius- has joined #haiku[20:57:09] *** illissius has quit IRC[20:57:11] *** illissius- is now known as illissius[21:04:46] <SiCuTDeUx> tic, its very fast but beos doesnt have the driver for the ethernet card[21:05:11] <tic> SiCuTDeUx, cool. I don't care for ethernet.[21:05:17] <SiCuTDeUx> ok![21:05:27] <tic> SiCuTDeUx, in Linux or Windows? Which version of VMWare or VirtualPC? Are there trial versions? :)[21:05:28] <SiCuTDeUx> tic, VM its not free at all[21:05:52] <SiCuTDeUx> tic, in windows and about the versions dunno[21:06:16] <SiCuTDeUx> tic, mine is original, both![21:06:54] <SiCuTDeUx> VirtualPC 2004 is only for windows, VM has a version in linux too but i dont now if its free or trial![21:07:11] <tic> Ah, thanks. Well, later maybe. *food*[21:07:28] *** MikeW has quit IRC[21:08:12] <SiCuTDeUx> tic, enjoy your meal![21:08:20] <tic> thanks. :)[21:12:10] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[21:37:43] *** ChrisK077 has quit IRC[21:41:38] <Mandaryne> +++++[21:41:44] *** Mandaryne has quit IRC[21:42:12] * scanty wonders if some people realise there's such a thing as /quit[21:44:07] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[21:45:50] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:46:11] <Koki> tqh!![21:46:16] <tqh> hi[21:48:43] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[21:49:37] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[21:49:44] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[21:54:02] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[21:55:23] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[21:58:58] *** sl9c5 has joined #haiku[21:59:42] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone running dualboot BeOS and Linux via GRUB?[22:03:14] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[22:04:48] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[22:11:16] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[22:13:00] *** illissius is now known as illissius[food][22:13:52] <Betabel> hi folks[22:15:00] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:25:21] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[22:27:13] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:35:04] *** illissius[food] is now known as illissius[22:40:44] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[22:42:24] *** Betabel has quit IRC[22:52:00] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[23:08:27] *** motoyama has joined #haiku[23:09:45] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:09:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[23:13:23] <Fanskapet> title Zeta R1[23:13:24] <Fanskapet> rootnoverify (hd0,4)[23:13:24] <Fanskapet> #makeactive[23:13:24] <Fanskapet> chanloader +1[23:13:41] <Fanskapet> hmm that's the only thing you should need in order to get BeOS boot via GRUB or am i wrong?[23:15:06] <motoyama> British ,like american make mistakes...[23:16:07] <motoyama> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm[23:16:13] * motoyama brazilian[23:16:22] <Bryan_w> ok[23:18:24] <dos4> are they crazy and stupid? "This tragedy has added another victim to the toll of deaths for which the terrorists bear responsibility." they say, but police who shot an unarmed man who was running away is guilty I think![23:18:50] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[23:18:51] <@mmu_man> "We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005.[23:18:55] <@mmu_man> yeah, great[23:18:59] <@mmu_man> he's still dead anyway[23:19:19] <SiCuTDeUx> what?[23:19:35] <SiCuTDeUx> that socks mmu_man[23:19:45] <motoyama> dos4 me crazy? humf.. i not british police ...[23:20:13] <SiCuTDeUx> how do you sleep at night nowing that you kill an inocent man[23:20:26] <dos4> motoyama i didn't say taht you are "they"[23:20:27] <motoyama> shot first and talk second?[23:20:28] <SiCuTDeUx> that is just wrong[23:20:34] <SiCuTDeUx> almost like that[23:20:39] *** fyysik has quit IRC[23:20:47] <SiCuTDeUx> almost no.... is just like that[23:21:35] <motoyama> people need to talk..[23:21:45] <motoyama> not to shooting[23:21:55] *** DaneScott has quit IRC[23:22:17] <SiCuTDeUx> may be he didint understan de stop call[23:22:24] <SiCuTDeUx> understad[23:22:52] <SiCuTDeUx> if a dont now the british english the would kill me to[23:23:09] <SiCuTDeUx> someone say to me with that accent STOP!....[23:23:14] <SiCuTDeUx> ????[23:23:18] <SiCuTDeUx> BAM BAM BAM!!![23:23:29] <motoyama> 5 shotting[23:23:33] <motoyama> 5 bullets[23:24:01] <motoyama> in the head[23:24:23] <SiCuTDeUx> in the head?[23:24:32] <SiCuTDeUx> come on!![23:24:50] <motoyama> yes is true[23:24:52] <SiCuTDeUx> the guy cant be seen in his funeral![23:25:26] <SiCuTDeUx> that officers should be in trial right now, with a muder in fist degree charges[23:25:36] *** tic has quit IRC[23:25:38] <motoyama> worse it goes to be the transfer for Brazil[23:25:52] <SiCuTDeUx> what?[23:26:03] <SiCuTDeUx> the victim was assian?[23:26:14] <motoyama> its family what it goes to receive?[23:26:18] * DaaT blinks[23:26:45] <motoyama> SiCuTDeUx brazilian , like DaaT :)[23:26:59] <motoyama> and me[23:27:02] <SiCuTDeUx> ohh!![23:27:14] <SiCuTDeUx> well close to me anyway[23:27:17] <motoyama> and ronaldo, ronaldinho,[23:27:17] * DaaT slaps motoyama.. i'm not brazilian[23:27:24] <SiCuTDeUx> LOL![23:27:26] <motoyama> DaaT i know[23:27:36] <SiCuTDeUx> iam from venezuela[23:27:41] <DaaT> don't offend me like that again[23:27:42] <DaaT> :D[23:27:46] *** Betabel has joined #haiku[23:27:57] <SiCuTDeUx> Betabel, sup![23:28:20] <Betabel> Hi SiCuTDeUx ![23:28:44] <SiCuTDeUx> got to go....!!! duty calls![23:28:53] *** tic has joined #haiku[23:29:08] <motoyama> DaaT :P[23:29:09] <SiCuTDeUx> Betabel, voy para la oficina... a revisar el server porque parece que cayo un rayo en la antena[23:29:10] <Betabel> XD[23:29:26] <Betabel> mierda[23:29:35] <Betabel> así estara lloviendo allá[23:29:40] <SiCuTDeUx> sip[23:29:57] <Betabel> antena cual? la del internet?[23:30:01] <SiCuTDeUx> sip[23:30:05] <Betabel> genesis?[23:30:16] <SiCuTDeUx> no se que marca es[23:30:24] <Betabel> digo el ISP[23:30:24] <SiCuTDeUx> lo que se que el accespoint es 3com[23:30:39] <SiCuTDeUx> no![23:30:40] <SiCuTDeUx> telcor[23:30:41] <SiCuTDeUx> se llama[23:30:43] <SiCuTDeUx> son amigos mios[23:31:10] <SiCuTDeUx> allos van para alla ahorita y me acaban de llamar[23:31:21] <SiCuTDeUx> nos vemos muchachos[23:31:30] <SiCuTDeUx> jejeje sorry... BRB[23:31:31] <Betabel> chair[23:39:09] * motoyama is away (10 min auto-away) @ Thu Jul 21 06:25:13 2005 - Pager is on.[23:39:56] * motoyama is away (Auto-away after 10 minutes) @ Thu Jul 21 06:26:00 2005 - Pager is on.[23:41:51] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[23:54:55] * motoyama need one beer ...[23:56:10] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[23:57:20] <motoyama> SiCuTDeUx policemen the civilian ...