July 20, 2005 
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July 20, 2005 [00:01:27] *** Mazon is now known as mazon[00:03:20] *** Zenton has quit IRC[00:14:11] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[00:17:08] *** FastJack_ has quit IRC[00:18:36] *** skoe is now known as skoe-away[00:20:44] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[00:21:35] *** Racer__X has quit IRC[00:24:19] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[00:29:54] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[00:34:40] *** the_faulkenator has joined #haiku[00:40:13] *** valexey has joined #haiku[00:44:15] *** slaad has joined #haiku[00:45:20] *** oco has quit IRC[00:52:45] *** jeramy has joined #haiku[00:54:33] *** NathanW has joined #haiku[00:56:36] <jeramy> How much free space do I need for a Be and a Haiku install (2 partitions)?[00:57:09] <tic> For a BeOS R5 install, 2GB will be plenty.[00:57:17] <tic> Haiku isn't really usable right now.[00:57:54] <jeramy> I know.[00:58:04] <jeramy> That's why I'm doing the Be install, too. :)[00:58:12] <slaad> You need 1 million bytes![00:58:25] <jeramy> Thanks![00:58:50] <jeramy> Oh, and partition-wise, how well does it play with grub?[00:59:02] <slaad> (Obviously I was lying)[00:59:11] <slaad> Not sure... I use XOSL for all my booting needs though[01:00:12] <jeramy> slaad, well, considering the disk image (for the developer edition) is about 200 of those million bytes, ...[01:01:47] <bogomipz> R5 PE works fine with grub, don't know about Haiku[01:03:36] <@bonefish> jeramy: ATM Haiku is at about 55 MB. I don't think the final release will be more than 100 MB, depending on what third party apps you intend to install.[01:08:17] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[01:12:22] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13773 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/gdb/gdb/solib-haiku.c: Made the debug output more robust.[01:14:08] *** Zaranthos has joined #haiku[01:14:33] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13774 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/debug/debug_support.cpp: Set the members of a destroyed debug_context to invalid values.[01:14:48] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[01:21:24] <jeramy> Thanks, bogomipz and bonefish[01:29:19] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13775 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/gdb/gdb/ (Jamfile haiku-nat.c): (log message trimmed)[01:29:19] <CIA-6> * We now use libdebug.so, which saves us a couple lines of code.[01:29:19] <CIA-6> * Print the debugger message in case the debugged team called debugger(),[01:29:19] <CIA-6> and the description of an occurred exception respectively.[01:29:19] <CIA-6> * Properly keep gdb's internal thread list up to date. This fixes the[01:29:19] <CIA-6> problem that an attached debugger always resumed all threads of the[01:29:21] <CIA-6> debugged team.[01:30:00] <@bonefish> That's it for today. Good night![01:30:01] *** bonefish has quit IRC[01:32:19] *** FastJack has joined #haiku[01:37:23] <jjkola> night[01:38:09] *** jjkola has quit IRC[01:40:29] <agentmumu> my new little project started to work :)[01:40:43] <agentmumu> anyone wants to restart my desktop maschine over the net?[01:40:46] <agentmumu> http://213.47.8.230:8008[01:40:48] <agentmumu> hehe[01:41:11] <[Beta]> done.[01:41:14] <agentmumu> :)[01:41:20] <agentmumu> i noticed :)[01:41:39] <[Beta]> is this to fix the /. problems, or something unrelated ?[01:42:27] <agentmumu> my server is located here: http://www.kunstlabor.at/[01:42:48] <agentmumu> and I'll install this reset thing for all server at the kunstlabor this or next week[01:42:49] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[01:43:10] <agentmumu> so then I'll be able to restart if I get slashdottet, so I can shutdown apache[01:43:11] <NathanW> agentmumu: how's the slashdotting?[01:43:14] <agentmumu> but it wohnt help[01:43:34] <agentmumu> NathanW: hehe, annoying ;)[01:43:38] <agentmumu> won't[01:43:43] <NathanW> heh[01:44:01] <agentmumu> can't use my mail and irc client[01:44:25] <[Beta]> oh yes you can :p[01:44:44] <agentmumu> well, I've started irc now localy on my laptop[01:45:16] <agentmumu> normaly I start it in a screen session on my server[01:45:27] * [Beta] nods[01:45:31] <agentmumu> :)[01:56:29] *** FastJack_ has joined #haiku[01:57:10] *** FastJack has quit IRC[02:02:37] *** bogomipz has quit IRC[02:03:25] *** valexey has quit IRC[02:04:59] *** DaaT has quit IRC[02:09:24] *** scanty has joined #haiku[02:24:14] *** agentmum1 has joined #haiku[02:24:21] *** agentmumu has quit IRC[02:24:28] *** agentmum1 is now known as agentmumu[02:37:07] <CIA-6> mmlr * r13776 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[02:37:07] <CIA-6> All cursor related changes:[02:37:07] <CIA-6> * Moved setting the default cursor from ServerScreen to Desktop[02:37:07] <CIA-6> * Getting the default cursor is now done using the CursorManager[02:37:07] <CIA-6> * Removed outdated setcursor from SysCursor.cpp (we have a new implementation by now)[02:37:08] <CIA-6> * Renamed SysCursor.cpp to CursorSet.cpp as that's what it is[02:37:10] <CIA-6> * Moved headers/private/app/SysCursor.h to headers/private/servers/app/CursorSet.h[02:42:16] *** jeramy has quit IRC[02:55:15] *** jeramy has joined #haiku[02:55:28] *** BGA has quit IRC[02:55:41] <jeramy> What should I put for File System Block Size in the install? 1024?[02:57:12] <Koki> or 2048[02:57:25] <jeramy> What's the difference?[03:02:28] <jeramy> During the install, is it supposed to be black and white?[03:03:16] <jeramy> I got a nice colour screen up until the install point. This is on a laptop with a crappy ATI Rage 3D Mobility[03:05:03] <slaad> Nope.[03:05:13] <slaad> Look on BeBits.com for a driver.[03:05:29] <CIA-6> darkwyrm * r13777 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/cdplayer/ (CDDBSupport.cpp CDDBSupport.h CDEngine.cpp CDEngine.h):[03:05:29] <CIA-6> Refactored CDDB lookup code[03:05:29] <CIA-6> CDDB data is written in R5 format with the exception of CD:key (still figuring out what to do about that)[03:05:29] <CIA-6> Fixed some update notification problems with changing CDs[03:05:50] <Koki> can't give you an academic answer about block size, but I believe it is the minimal storage unit that the file system uses.[03:06:06] <slaad> That is correct.[03:06:09] <Koki> slaad, he is installing...[03:06:33] <slaad> If all your files were videos or something you would benefit from using a larger block size. But for general usage 1024 or 2048 is a good size.[03:06:37] * Koki wins one million dollars![03:06:38] <slaad> Post install, Koki :)[03:07:34] *** Begasus has quit IRC[03:07:57] <jeramy> heh :)[03:08:28] <jeramy> So someone wrote a driver for it even though they didn't have access to the Be source code?[03:08:38] <jeramy> They must have...[03:08:45] <slaad> You don't need source code to write a driver.[03:09:03] <slaad> Drivers use a standard structure that you just have to adhere to.[03:09:49] <slaad> So a video card driver might have to publish an init_card() function, a draw_pretty_picture() function, etc. All you have to do is provide those functions[03:10:27] <jeramy> cool.[03:10:53] <NathanW> I'd reccomend 2048[03:11:09] <slaad> You would, pervert![03:11:19] <NathanW> There's a bug in R5 that prevents new mail notifications from working correctly if it's 1024[03:11:23] <NathanW> slaad: :PPPPPPPPPP[03:11:46] <CIA-6> mmlr * r13778 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/ (Message2.cpp MessageBody2.cpp MessageField2.cpp):[03:11:46] <CIA-6> Fixed includes and removed some debug output. You could now switch Message.cpp,[03:11:46] <CIA-6> MessageBody.cpp and MessageField.cpp in src/kits/app/app.src to Message2.cpp,[03:11:46] <CIA-6> MessageBody2.cpp and MessageField2.cpp to test the new implementation. Fixed the[03:11:46] <CIA-6> wrong commit message by the way (via svn propset).[03:11:57] <jeramy> Hm, there is one driver that may work.[03:12:28] <jeramy> NathanW, well that's okay. I guess I'll just use gmail...[03:12:42] <NathanW> Well, you can use it[03:12:52] <jeramy> So, other than that bug, what's the difference between 1024 and 2048?[03:13:19] <NathanW> Just the new mail count displayed in the system tray sometimes becomes wrong -- you can still see all your mail though[03:13:20] * slaad tries to think of an analogy[03:13:22] <Koki> jeramy: you may want to check this driver out > http://www.bebits.com/app/2372[03:13:44] <NathanW> slaad: pieces of paper works, I guess[03:13:55] <NathanW> each piece of paper is of some size[03:13:55] <jeramy> Koki, thanks. The one I'm looking at is /app/731[03:13:58] <slaad> It's kind of like tuppaware containers or something. You have 100L you need to store.[03:14:05] <NathanW> that too :)[03:14:17] <slaad> You can either have 100 1L containers, 50 2L containers or 25 4L containers.[03:14:47] <slaad> And you have a variety of liquids you want to store... but only one type of liquid can go into each container.[03:14:52] <jeramy> okey dokey. There's waste if you use one that's too large, but you have to fumble with more[03:14:57] <slaad> Yeah.[03:15:23] <CIA-6> phoudoin * r13779 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ListItem.cpp:[03:15:23] <CIA-6> Set low color to selection background color before drawing text.[03:15:23] <CIA-6> This should remove AA bugs for selected item(s) text.[03:16:37] <slaad> For most users 1024 or 2048 is the way to go.[03:17:20] *** slaad has quit IRC[03:17:32] <Koki> I believe the author of BFS recommended 2048[03:17:59] <jeramy> sweet. I have colour now (I just booted into Be on my laptop)[03:18:05] <CIA-6> mmlr * r13780 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/private/app/MessageBody2.h src/kits/app/Message2.cpp): These should have gone with the last commit. Last commit for tonight.[03:18:07] <NathanW> nice[03:20:06] *** fyysik has quit IRC[03:21:19] <jeramy> ok, maybe I do need a driver... I only get 800x600 in a little box in my screen. (Normal setting is 1400x1050) :([03:22:22] <NathanW> did you try the rage mobility driver on Bebits?[03:22:39] <jeramy> not yet[03:24:33] *** Koki has quit IRC[03:24:50] *** slaad has joined #haiku[03:26:49] <jeramy> ah, crap. I don't have a network driver.[03:29:16] <jeramy> No network means no more BeOS on laptop. :([03:30:30] <NathanW> what network card do you have?[03:31:46] <jeramy> 3Com 3c59x[03:32:16] <NathanW> download the 3c920 driver off bebits[03:32:35] <jeramy> I'll try it...[03:32:52] <NathanW> all of those should be supported[03:32:54] <jeramy> I'll burn it to CD. How do I get it from there?[03:33:04] <NathanW> wait[03:33:08] <NathanW> is it PCMCIA?[03:33:21] <jeramy> No[03:33:42] <NathanW> ok, yeah 3c920 should do it[03:34:26] <jeramy> I have a PCMCIA wireless card too, but it only works in Linux under ndiswrapper.[03:36:28] <slaad> If you use Zeta they have an NDIS wrapper[03:36:57] *** FastJack_ has quit IRC[03:37:00] *** FastJack has joined #haiku[03:38:01] <jeramy> Maybe I should look at the source for that... I wonder how hard it would be to port from Linux to Be/Haiku.[03:46:48] <NathanW> If you try doing that, FreeBSD's project evil might be a better bet[03:47:01] <NathanW> since it's compatible with the Haiku license[03:48:34] <jeramy> project evil? lol. Hm, yeah, I forgot about the licensing issue.[03:50:20] <jeramy> How do I create a link in Tracker?[03:50:55] <jeramy> Nevermind...[03:52:00] *** MikeW has quit IRC[03:57:15] *** Koki has joined #haiku[03:59:16] <jeramy> Nope, no go with the network driver. :([04:01:46] <Koki> jeramy, what NIC do you have?[04:01:53] <jeramy> 3com 3c59x[04:02:08] <jeramy> and the 3c920 driver doesn't work.[04:03:53] <Koki> tried 3c940?[04:04:00] <jeramy> no.[04:04:14] <Koki> http://www.bebits.com/app/3886[04:04:16] <NathanW> He has some Pentium 2 or something[04:04:24] <NathanW> It's definitely not a 3c940[04:04:37] <jeramy> It's a p3[04:04:56] <NathanW> 3c940s are gigabit nics[04:06:47] <jeramy> Yeah, definitely not.[04:07:46] <jeramy> So... anybody here know how to write a network driver? ;)[04:08:27] <NathanW> yeah[04:08:28] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[04:08:35] <NathanW> I wrote the broadcom driver[04:08:58] <NathanW> There's a nice template in the etherpci sample code directory[04:09:11] <NathanW> It's the ne2000 driver[04:09:25] <NathanW> Your card should be supported, though[04:09:37] <NathanW> In theory, BeOS supports all 3com hardware[04:09:42] <jeramy> heh.[04:11:09] <jeramy> It's too bad the source isn't available for the 3c920... :([04:11:18] <NathanW> yeah[04:11:25] <NathanW> good luck persuading Patrick to open it[04:15:13] <jeramy> I take it Patrick is a non-open source kind of guy?[04:15:28] <NathanW> not especially[04:15:34] <NathanW> He wrote 4 network drivers[04:15:38] <NathanW> So I wish he were[04:15:47] <slaad> Open source is for hippies.[04:15:51] <slaad> Damn hippies.[04:15:53] <slaad> The lot of ya.[04:15:55] <NathanW> haha[04:16:21] <jeramy> :) Free love, man.[04:17:02] <Koki> peace[04:17:55] <slaad> Bah![04:17:57] <slaad> Bah I say![04:18:24] <jeramy> Well, on the upside, the rage mobility driver works...[04:19:38] <NathanW> good[04:20:12] <slaad> Right. Time for coffee.[04:20:17] <jeramy> mmm[04:21:32] <slaad> See, I'd offer you some... but it's not GPL coffee ;)[04:21:55] <jeramy> gah! no scroll wheel![04:22:12] <jeramy> What about virtual coffee?[04:28:36] *** illissius is now known as illissius[sleep][04:30:52] *** illissius- has joined #haiku[04:31:32] *** illissius[sleep] has quit IRC[04:31:38] *** illissius- is now known as illissius[sleep][04:33:17] *** jeramy is now known as jeramy|coffee[04:39:19] *** fyysik has quit IRC[04:39:50] *** NathanW has quit IRC[04:54:13] *** jeramy|coffee is now known as jeramy[05:48:29] *** Betabel has quit IRC[05:53:23] *** skoe-away is now known as skoe[05:57:20] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[06:00:22] <miqlas> re[06:02:18] *** Archlyric has joined #haiku[06:06:29] *** jeramy has quit IRC[06:06:50] *** Archlyric has left #haiku[06:07:34] *** Pascal has joined #haiku[06:07:54] *** Pascal has left #haiku[06:21:40] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[06:22:00] *** illissius[sleep] has quit IRC[06:45:07] *** miqlas has quit IRC[06:46:17] *** vivek has joined #haiku[06:50:58] *** m_eiman has joined #haiku[07:59:21] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[08:07:41] *** thies has quit IRC[08:08:40] *** thies has joined #haiku[08:17:20] *** M199 has joined #haiku[08:26:14] *** Master199 has quit IRC[08:39:15] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[08:48:38] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[08:50:43] *** M199 has quit IRC[09:08:47] *** emwe has joined #haiku[09:14:07] *** Korli has joined #haiku[09:14:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[09:26:23] <CIA-6> korli * r13781 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/keymap/KeymapWindow.cpp: replaced UBYT with B_UINT8_TYPE[09:29:40] <CIA-6> korli * r13782 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/Message2.cpp: style change[09:32:19] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:35:34] *** Skorian has joined #haiku[09:41:34] <CIA-6> korli * r13783 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/Message.cpp: style change[09:46:29] *** Euver has joined #haiku[09:52:51] *** skoe has quit IRC[09:53:10] *** xeD has joined #haiku[09:53:50] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[09:55:43] *** emwe_ has joined #haiku[10:04:15] *** Elrond has joined #haiku[10:04:35] <Elrond> What is this zeta/yeloowtab thingies I see on tv?[10:06:30] <kr1stof> homeshopping channel?[10:06:37] <Elrond> Right.[10:06:49] *** emwe has quit IRC[10:06:49] *** emwe_ is now known as emwe[10:06:57] <kr1stof> It should be ZETA 1.0[10:07:05] <Elrond> Right.[10:07:21] <Elrond> Did they buy stuff from palm, or what?[10:07:40] <kr1stof> A license long time ago[10:08:05] <Elrond> So they bought it long before palm bought be stuff?[10:08:16] <kr1stof> http://www.yellowtab.com/support/faqs/[10:09:14] <kr1stof> I guess before that and renewed it with Palm then[10:10:47] <Elrond> I can't really find any mentions of beos or their licensing in the faqs there... I must be too stupid.[10:11:36] <kr1stof> http://www.yellowtab.com/support/faqs/show.php?id=7[10:12:45] <Elrond> *yuck* Just overlooked the top question. I'm too tired...[10:13:19] <kr1stof> Do or did you run BeOS on one of your PCs?[10:13:29] <Elrond> No.[10:13:57] <kr1stof> If you consider this, make sure you HW is supported[10:14:06] <Elrond> When BeOS was "hype" (if one could say so), my boxes didn't have the right hardware.[10:14:18] <Elrond> I probably now have the hardware, but not really the time.[10:14:37] <kr1stof> :-([10:14:50] <Elrond> Well, I would consider haiku, cause I like opensource/free software stuff.[10:16:01] <kr1stof> You'll have to wait a bit and it will take some time[10:16:23] <kr1stof> tof> to get comfortable with it too[10:16:43] <kr1stof> if you've never experienced BeOS[10:17:11] <Elrond> Well, I've seen quite some different OS, so it shouldn't be that hard.[10:17:58] <Elrond> Did you guys consider cooperating (if possible at all for technical reasons) with ReactOS?[10:17:59] *** EL_Gringo has joined #haiku[10:20:00] <kr1stof> I don't think there is any semilarity or relation at all (?)[10:21:27] <Elrond> Both free OS need drivers... which is the heavy and ugly work. There might be relation.[10:21:29] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[10:29:42] <tic> Elrond, completely different driver models.[10:31:22] <Elrond> tic - So different?[10:31:35] <tic> huh?[10:31:36] <vivek> Elrond: reactos is a windows clone[10:31:53] <Elrond> vivek - I know that.[10:32:03] <Elrond> I'm just curious.[10:32:09] <vivek> and haiku is unix like ... (though there are certain changes )[10:32:20] <vivek> and significant departures from unix[10:32:25] <tic> haiku is beos like, with a posix layer.[10:32:26] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[10:33:16] <Elrond> How mature is the posix layer by now?[10:33:42] <vivek> zeta does not have a posix layer i believe ?[10:33:43] <tic> in haiku orbeos?[10:34:04] <Elrond> tic - in haiku[10:34:06] <tic> vivek, uhh? I'm running bash-3.0.x in Terminal without probblems......[10:34:14] <tic> Elrond, no idea[10:34:15] <vivek> tic: is zeta ?[10:34:21] <tic> vivek, zeat == beos, remember that.[10:34:24] <tic> zeta, even.[10:34:56] <vivek> tic: dunno a zeta developer told me that a couple of months ago ... so i just believed it[10:35:13] <tic> vivek, told you -what- exactly a couple of months ago?[10:36:22] <vivek> something like there is no posix layer in zeta ... (thought he might have meant something else about zeta not being multi-user) its too long ago i will ask him when i chat with him again[10:37:43] <tic> multi-user != posix. remember that.[10:38:04] <tic> also, it depends on the specific posix spec you're talking about.[10:38:34] <tic> You just got it all wrong.[10:38:36] <vivek> zeta is not posix compliant might be a better statement[10:38:42] <tic> it is. just not -fully-.[10:38:49] <tic> but neither is Linux, for example[10:38:50] <slaad> It's got most of POSIX v1.[10:39:01] <slaad> But not 2, 3 or the RTOS extensions.[10:39:03] <vivek> tic: anyways i will ask him in a couple of hours[10:39:09] <tic> mmap() isn't working, for example.[10:39:26] <slaad> I think it is missing the run-time configuration stuff. But don't quote me.[10:39:32] <slaad> mmap() isn't part of POSIX, is it?[10:39:42] <tic> oh, maybe not.[10:40:24] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[10:40:26] <slaad> Anyhoo... my raytracer now has all the CSG operations :)[10:40:45] <Elrond> CONFORMING TO: SVr4, POSIX.1b (formerly POSIX.4), 4.4BSD, SUSv2. SVr4, SUSv2[10:41:13] <Elrond> (mmap)[10:41:58] <slaad> So it isn't part of v1.[10:42:14] <vivek> linux can get away with departures from posix its almost the leader when it comes to server space ....[10:42:55] <tic> vivek, beos isn't about compiling un*x apps anyway, so that doesn't matter that much.[10:42:59] <Elrond> vivek - Just curious: Where departs it?[10:43:56] <vivek> Elrond: i dunno read up the Linux kernel mailing list ... linux just makes one departure that i know of from posix ... (maybe there are others)[10:44:59] <Elrond> So which one do you know?[10:58:11] *** slaad has quit IRC[11:00:00] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[11:08:37] *** skoe has joined #haiku[11:11:06] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[11:11:33] *** fernandoo has joined #haiku[11:11:48] *** fernandoo has left #haiku[11:12:38] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:13:23] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:15:24] *** Lt_Henry has joined #haiku[11:16:16] <Elrond> What does the Lt stand for?[11:16:33] <skoe> Luitenant?[11:16:36] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[11:17:06] <Lt_Henry> yes[11:17:27] <Elrond> I guessed that, but didn't thought, it could be that.[11:17:33] <Elrond> Why a rank?[11:17:45] <Lt_Henry> well....[11:17:58] <Lt_Henry> this nick comes from my x-wing days[11:17:59] <Lt_Henry> :D[11:18:15] <Elrond> Ahh.[11:18:23] <skoe> hehe :)[11:20:19] <Lt_Henry> speed step driver !!![11:20:26] <Lt_Henry> CooooL[11:20:50] <Lt_Henry> (and cool the cpu also)[11:23:32] *** skoe is now known as skoe-brb[11:23:56] *** 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<Dr3w> I got hold of an official PS2 Linux kit :)[17:42:41] <Dr3w> nice.[17:57:38] <ChrisK077> Dr3w: What can you do with it? Just console stuff? I don't think PS2's RAM would suffice to start an X Server, would it?[17:58:07] <Dr3w> Yes, the installation comes with X and Windowmaker.[18:00:58] <scanty> speaking of PS2/Linux -- http://arrakis.ncsa.uiuc.edu/ps2/[18:01:30] *** stippi has joined #haiku[18:03:41] <scanty> brb[18:03:52] *** scanty has quit IRC[18:05:34] <ChrisK077> Dr3w: Interesting. Since Linux is running on PS/2, doesn't Sony worry about developers bypassing their licensing scheme and releasing games via the Linux platform?[18:06:11] <Dr3w> I doubt it, you need to do a few tweaks.[18:11:04] *** scanty has joined #haiku[18:15:34] *** jeramy has quit IRC[18:16:27] <Dr3w> later, off home![18:16:30] *** Dr3w has quit IRC[18:16:53] *** emwe has quit IRC[18:17:18] *** SiCuTDeUx_ is now known as SiCuTDeUx[18:18:09] * SiCuTDeUx is away: Enfermo! - Very Sick![18:26:11] * tqh should finish all the different things he is working on[18:26:11] *** Euver has quit IRC[18:26:28] *** Euver has joined #haiku[18:29:10] *** Euver has quit IRC[18:33:26] *** evdubss has joined #haiku[18:36:45] *** Konrad77 has quit IRC[18:44:16] *** flag_ has joined #haiku[18:52:08] *** evdubs has quit IRC[18:54:06] *** EL_Gringo has quit IRC[18:54:38] *** flag has quit IRC[18:54:43] *** flag has joined #haiku[18:55:20] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[18:56:04] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[18:59:58] *** jeramy has joined #haiku[19:07:11] *** scanty has quit IRC[19:08:30] *** stippi has quit IRC[19:10:09] *** flag_ has quit IRC[19:11:22] *** stippi has joined #haiku[19:16:54] *** TLF has joined #haiku[19:18:28] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:28:34] *** SirMik has joined #haiku[19:28:50] <SirMik> hi anyone here?[19:29:22] <tqh> no?[19:29:31] <SirMik> lol[19:29:34] <tqh> :)[19:29:50] <SirMik> mmm got some weird haiku problems[19:30:00] <SirMik> tqh think you are able to help?[19:30:31] <SirMik> installed the image from philip schmid to a bootable bfs partition[19:30:40] <SirMik> first it did work perfectly[19:31:00] <SirMik> but now I only get the haiku bootscreen and nothing els[19:31:01] *** ils[food|sleep] is now known as illissius[19:31:03] <SirMik> *else[19:31:58] <SirMik> every option in the safe mode menu(spacebar thingy) crashes my computer and causes a restart :S[19:32:29] <tqh> SirMik: Sorry I havn't booted Haiku myself.[19:32:39] <SirMik> damn :S[19:32:58] <SirMik> wonder what's wrong[19:33:05] <tqh> Is it the same image that now crashes or builds from different dates?[19:33:26] <SirMik> uhm at first it was the same image[19:33:37] <SirMik> after that I installed a later one on top of it[19:33:40] <SirMik> no results[19:34:00] <SirMik> did change anything in the bios or haiku settings[19:34:22] <tqh> hmm, if it's the same image it sounds like a problem on your side.[19:34:40] <SirMik> yeah hw problem or something[19:34:46] <SirMik> but weird that it worked at first[19:38:37] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[19:41:00] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[19:41:54] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[19:41:56] <masique> guys is there BDictionary (hashtable) implementation for BeOS enywhere ?[19:47:10] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[19:52:59] *** Koki has joined #haiku[20:00:09] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[20:12:56] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[20:13:02] <ChrisK077> SirMik: When I had problems with Haiku, DrEvil advised me to re-initialize the Haiku partition. That often helps, because the file system might get compromised by crashes...[20:13:31] *** scanty has joined #haiku[20:13:40] <SirMik> ChrisK077 ah ok...maybe that is it[20:13:53] <SirMik> ChrisK077 how to reinitialise?[20:14:08] <SirMik> it's a partition, not an entire disk[20:15:05] <johnny_b> SirMik: with DriveSetup[20:15:18] *** DaneScott has quit IRC[20:15:25] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[20:17:38] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[20:17:47] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[20:17:48] <ChrisK077> SirMik: In BeOS R5, unmount your Haiku partition, click preferences->drive setup, the right-click your harddrive, select Setup->Initialize and then your Haiku partition[20:18:25] <SirMik> ChrisK077 ah ok thanks very much I will try![20:21:00] <SirMik> ah so you have to unmount partitions to be able to initialise them[20:24:14] <SirMik> copied haiku to the newly initialised partition[20:24:18] <SirMik> will try it now[20:24:27] <SirMik> thanks for the help ChrisK077[20:24:30] <SirMik> cya later[20:24:42] *** SirMik has quit IRC[20:28:45] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:29:35] *** tqh has quit IRC[20:31:27] *** Master199 has quit IRC[20:31:33] *** scanty has quit IRC[20:32:52] *** jeramy has quit IRC[20:37:41] *** stargater has joined #haiku[20:37:47] <stargater> hi all[20:37:54] <Methe> hi[20:44:20] *** Lt_Henry has quit IRC[20:49:17] *** oco_2 has joined #haiku[20:52:11] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[20:55:21] *** stippi has quit IRC[20:59:00] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[21:05:52] *** oco has quit IRC[21:05:52] *** oco_2 is now known as oco[21:28:26] *** El_Gringo has joined #haiku[21:32:28] *** ProctonW has quit IRC[21:35:15] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[21:39:48] *** jeramy has joined #haiku[21:40:25] <jeramy> grr... what's up with mIRC? I keep getting booted, and it doesn't tell me until I type something. :<[21:41:29] *** matsu has joined #haiku[21:41:48] *** ProctonW has joined #haiku[21:45:05] *** TheGreatDane has joined #haiku[21:51:15] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:51:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:51:51] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[21:55:42] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[22:03:54] *** ProctonW has quit IRC[22:05:55] *** matsu has quit IRC[22:07:40] *** thorn__ has quit IRC[22:09:40] *** jeramy has quit IRC[22:10:17] *** ChrisK077 has quit IRC[22:10:35] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:12:19] *** ProctonW has joined #haiku[22:14:44] *** sl9c5 has joined #haiku[22:39:15] <fyysik> anyone with backup of http://bebits.com/app/992 ?[22:39:38] <fyysik> or maybe Haiku's version of BString is now totally UTF-8 aware?[22:41:25] *** ProctonW has quit IRC[22:42:11] *** ProctonW has joined #haiku[22:43:56] *** jeramy has joined #haiku[22:49:06] <johnny_b> good night[22:49:10] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[22:54:42] *** Leo42 has joined #haiku[22:56:51] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:57:21] *** sl9c5 has quit IRC[23:02:05] *** bencer has joined #haiku[23:02:14] *** jeramy has quit IRC[23:03:15] *** ProctonW_ has joined #haiku[23:04:17] *** ProctonW has quit IRC[23:06:45] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[23:08:02] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[23:11:42] <CIA-6> mmlr * r13784 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs):[23:11:42] <CIA-6> Took Ingos considerations into account and added a simple hashtable implementation.[23:11:42] <CIA-6> It's currently really broken so don't even try to test it, but you can still review it ;-).[23:11:42] <CIA-6> Message2.cpp is not yet cleaned - more to come...[23:17:08] <stargater> n9[23:17:21] *** stargater has quit IRC[23:21:06] <MikeW> nnine?[23:34:10] *** Methe has quit IRC[23:35:22] *** Dr3w has joined #haiku[23:35:51] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[23:36:43] <Dr3w> Man, I am depressed tonight.[23:37:05] <Dr_Evil> Dr3w you are depressing me[23:38:05] <@mmu_man> you also have a GPP ?[23:38:55] <Dr3w> gpp?[23:39:11] <@mmu_man> genuine people personality[23:39:39] <@mmu_man> </HG2>[23:40:14] <Dr3w> Ah, yes.[23:40:20] <@mmu_man> "I'm a prototype, you can tell, can't you ?"[23:40:29] <tic> hg2?[23:40:44] <@mmu_man> Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy[23:40:52] <tic> Ah right. I haven't read it yet, sadly.[23:40:56] <TheGreatDane> tic any luck with an R5 builder-upper?[23:40:57] <tic> Dr3w, we can be depressed together![23:41:08] <tic> TheGreatDane, no, I had company until now. I don't think I[23:41:12] <Dr3w> You know when you see something thats really good, then you realise you could have been that good, but you stopped doing something for that, then you relaise your not that good at the thing you started.[23:41:16] <@mmu_man> haven't either but I saw the divx[23:41:28] *** TheGreatDane is now known as Zaphod[23:41:30] <tic> I'll do it before bedtime, which is in an hour. So that'll be done first thing in the morning so you can try it #152 out.[23:41:32] <tic> hehe[23:41:38] *** Zaphod is now known as Zaphod_B[23:41:45] <@mmu_man> Dr3w ah, hmm, I realize that quite often[23:41:54] <tic> Dr3w, ah, yeah, that sucks.[23:42:03] <Dr3w> Well, I gave up a whole bunch of things to be good at computing, and I am not that good at it.[23:42:11] <tic> ouchie. :/[23:42:15] <Zaphod_B> tic k goodie[23:42:31] <tic> Dr3w, hey, I'm not good at computing either. It's not the end of the world, nor too late to get new hobbies.[23:42:37] <Dr3w> I am the MTV generation, I was lied to. I was told I was going to be a millionairre and I am not.[23:42:40] * tic types fast, that's more-or-less it. :)[23:42:48] <Dr3w> it is too late to really.[23:42:56] <Zaphod_B> Dr3w How old are you?[23:43:07] <Dr3w> 27, what can I start now - heh, not skateboarding.[23:43:15] <tic> hey now![23:43:23] <Zaphod_B> hehe I started a whole new career at 43 :-)[23:43:39] <tic> i'm 23. you're not too old. start training jiujitsu. that's fun! My sensei started doing that when he was 55[23:43:44] <Zaphod_B> Dr3w I wouldn't give up quite yet...you're young young young. :-)[23:43:45] <tic> Zaphod_B, what did you do before?[23:44:03] <Zaphod_B> tic I was in radio management.[23:44:06] <Zaphod_B> And announcing.[23:44:19] <@mmu_man> Dr3w nice, I have 1 year left[23:44:52] <@mmu_man> Zaphod_B and now you're a prof. troller :)[23:45:11] <Zaphod_B> mmu_man Are you talkin to ME? :-)[23:45:25] <Dr3w> yeah, but you guys here are real programmers at least. You can hold your own.[23:45:45] <Zaphod_B> Dr3w I couldn't program my way out of a wet paper bag. Ask any of these guys. :-)[23:45:53] <Dr3w> To be honest, I am crap. I haven't done anything since forever, and when I did do stuff I always needed loads of help.[23:45:59] <@mmu_man> Dr3w get a linux training and be sysadmin ? :)[23:46:16] <@mmu_man> (win sysadmins aren't really worth it :p)[23:46:18] <[Beta]> Dr3w: so the stuff you've done recently with buildtools didnt exist, or.. ?[23:46:42] <Dr3w> yeah, rub it in mmu_man - I *am* a Linux sysadmin for my day job!!![23:46:44] <tic> Zaphod_B, hrm, so what do you do now?[23:46:56] <@mmu_man> ah so[23:47:29] <Zaphod_B> tic Develop ideas for software and market it. That's quite a departure.[23:47:36] <@mmu_man> <AbsFab><Granny taking a plate back after taking it to the cupboard>Not completely useless you see</Granny></AbsFab>[23:47:54] <tic> Zaphod_B, right, but you're still into radio.. :)[23:48:03] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[23:48:11] <Zaphod_B> tic Merely a category...[23:48:16] <@mmu_man> Zaphod_B next is tv ?[23:48:21] <tic> Zaphod_B, what other things do you do besides radio?[23:48:23] <Zaphod_B> tic Totally different kind of work[23:48:26] <tic> true.[23:48:53] <Zaphod_B> tic I also do web design now. And multimedia design. And some graphic design. And yes, a little audio production and voice work too.[23:49:04] <Zaphod_B> But these days, tic, most of the voice work is for telephone systems.[23:49:05] <tic> Zaphod_B, aha. coolio.[23:49:14] <tic> Zaphod_B, "voice work" ?[23:49:15] <Zaphod_B> It's all about reinventing yourself, experimenting with new skills.[23:49:30] <tic> Yeah, that's pretty cool... doubt I could do that, though.[23:49:43] <Zaphod_B> Trying things until you find a cocktail of skills that work together in a useful way.[23:49:50] <tic> Hm, that's true.[23:50:02] *** DaaT has quit IRC[23:50:19] <tic> As a matter of fact, after fixing the remaining bugs, I'm planning on a one-week break from computers.[23:50:23] <tic> (owoo ;)[23:50:30] <@mmu_man> tic "REGISTER MEEE"[23:50:33] <@mmu_man> that's voice work[23:50:33] <Zaphod_B> Good idea tic[23:50:39] <tic> mmu_man, a-ha.[23:50:40] *** Leo42 has quit IRC[23:50:44] <Zaphod_B> mmu_man Yeah, there you go.[23:50:58] *** Zaphod_B is now known as TheGreatDane[23:51:13] *** TheGreatDane is now known as TheDog[23:51:24] <@mmu_man> n8[23:51:24] <tic> Zaphod_B, It's someone else's idea actually, just taking it as my own. ;-) After breaking up and all, figured I could hang out with friends in the real world. Got a big gap to fill and all that...[23:51:27] <tic> Night mmu_man[23:51:41] <tic> (yada yadaa dyaa)[23:51:43] * tic talks too much.[23:51:44] <TheDog> c u mmu_man[23:51:59] <@mmu_man> tic you should do radio then :p[23:52:00] <TheDog> tic You'll do fine...hang in there![23:52:07] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:52:19] * tic grabs a rope[23:52:35] *** scanty has joined #haiku[23:52:43] <TheDog> scanty howdy[23:52:58] <scanty> greetings[23:53:07] *** TheDog is now known as Dane_S[23:53:08] <evdubss> sup scanty[23:53:15] *** evdubss is now known as evdubs[23:53:25] <scanty> wow, I feel so loved :)[23:53:26] <scanty> hi guys[23:55:10] <scanty> what's new[23:55:57] <evdubs> nothing[23:57:39] * Dane_S has to run[23:57:42] * Dane_S runs[23:57:55] * Dane_S out[23:58:10] <scanty> we've run out of Dane[23:58:26] <Dane_S> or Dane has run out of us, one or the other :-)[23:58:34] <Dane_S> oops, I'm gone, aren't I?[23:58:34] <scanty> :^)[23:58:38] * Dane_S goes again[23:58:49] * Dane_S *poof*[23:58:52] *** Dane_S has quit IRC[23:59:59] <PulkoMandy> +++