July 18, 2005 
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July 18, 2005 [00:05:49] <fyysik> hm, quite positive review and comments, except taht prefs thingie at OsNews[00:06:12] <fyysik> sad that ehci still seems bit buggy[00:06:46] <underthumb> I read that review as well. It was good, though somewhat brief.[00:06:56] <fyysik> yup[00:07:21] <underthumb> you're talking about the Zeta review, right?[00:08:15] <fyysik> unfortunately my audience at qube.ru has only good opportunity to buy something from Intenet - WebMoney. But i didn't find such sales channel for Zeta yet[00:08:49] *** the_faulkenator has joined #haiku[00:09:41] <underthumb> yeah, I'm not sure if they're distributed over there yet[00:09:55] <underthumb> all I'm aware of is germany, japan, and US[00:10:18] <fyysik> Also good that Tom Holverda is now one of the main authors at OsNews. He knows BeOS and has balanced take about everything[00:10:54] <underthumb> that is good.[00:11:11] <fyysik> Eugenia was hysterical sometimes about BeOS and related - between desire and hate:)[00:11:17] <underthumb> Personally, I'm hopping that zeta runs on Virtual PC for the Mac. I'd rather not purchase a PC to run it.[00:11:47] <underthumb> I haven't read much OS news, so I wouldn't know much about Eugenia, but i'll take your word for it.[00:11:55] <fyysik> underthumb - heh, maybe in new x86 Macs it will run even natively:)[00:12:12] <underthumb> perhaps. I have my doubts.[00:22:58] *** Konrad has quit IRC[00:25:52] *** underthumb has quit IRC[00:45:19] <jjkola> night[00:46:42] *** jjkola has left #haiku[00:46:50] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[00:53:52] *** slaad has joined #haiku[00:58:01] *** Methe has quit IRC[01:12:29] *** FireGlacial has joined #haiku[01:15:06] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[01:16:23] *** ablyss has quit IRC[01:22:09] *** TLF has quit IRC[01:28:36] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[01:38:00] *** petterhj has quit IRC[01:38:07] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[01:42:38] *** FireGlacial has quit IRC[01:44:24] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[01:44:58] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13725 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/debug/SymbolLookup.cpp:[01:44:58] <CIA-6> Understood why static symbols are not found (we can't without reading the[01:44:58] <CIA-6> concerned shared object's file, which probably is a bit overkill) and added[01:44:58] <CIA-6> respective comments.[01:45:05] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[01:46:34] *** bonefish has joined #haiku[01:46:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o bonefish[01:46:39] <@bonefish> Yo![01:46:44] <tic> hey hey bonefish[01:59:12] *** Betabel has quit IRC[02:02:11] *** the_faulkenator has quit IRC[02:05:19] *** stippi has joined #haiku[02:08:14] <tic> hi stippi. a bit upset? :)[02:11:56] *** bogomipz has quit IRC[02:17:12] *** petterhj has quit IRC[02:22:31] <CIA-6> mmlr * r13726 /haiku/trunk/ (12 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)[02:22:31] <CIA-6> All cursor related changes:[02:22:31] <CIA-6> * Moved setting the default cursor from ServerScreen to Desktop[02:22:31] <CIA-6> * Getting the default cursor is now done using the CursorManager[02:22:31] <CIA-6> * Removed outdated setcursor from SysCursor.cpp (we have a new implementation by now)[02:22:31] <CIA-6> * Renamed SysCursor.cpp to CursorSet.cpp as that's what it is[02:22:33] <CIA-6> * Moved headers/private/app/SysCursor.h to headers/private/servers/app/CursorSet.h[02:26:16] *** stippi has quit IRC[02:30:12] *** DaaT has quit IRC[02:33:07] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[02:35:32] <CIA-6> mmlr * r13727 /haiku/trunk/src/ (preferences/appearance/CurView.h servers/app/CursorSet.cpp): Removed {set|get}_syscursor according to DW. Scratch that last sentence in the last commit, with this Appearance builds again.[02:37:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[02:42:55] *** petterhj has quit IRC[03:01:07] *** bonefish has quit IRC[03:05:28] *** underthumb has joined #haiku[03:06:32] *** fyysik has quit IRC[03:20:20] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[03:30:14] *** Hadorack has joined #haiku[03:36:45] *** Hadorack has left #haiku[03:40:59] *** illissius has quit IRC[03:55:03] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[04:01:27] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[04:02:57] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[04:07:18] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[04:11:59] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[04:19:52] *** geist has left #haiku[04:27:08] *** Leo42 has quit IRC[04:29:50] *** slaad has quit IRC[04:32:41] *** NathanW has joined #haiku[04:33:57] *** underthumb has quit IRC[04:40:42] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[05:05:24] *** Nies has quit IRC[05:31:40] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[05:44:25] *** NathanW has quit IRC[06:04:22] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[06:08:02] <miqlas> re[06:19:01] *** linuxfreak_ has quit IRC[06:21:39] *** slaad has joined #haiku[06:26:51] *** the_faulkenator has joined #haiku[06:29:52] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[06:30:50] *** scanty has joined #haiku[06:57:28] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[07:14:17] *** the_faulkenator has quit IRC[07:24:10] *** the_faulkenator has joined #haiku[07:36:33] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[07:40:37] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[07:41:32] *** miqlas has quit IRC[07:43:37] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[07:56:36] *** mmadia has quit IRC[08:14:41] *** Koki has quit IRC[08:44:12] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[08:51:32] <CIA-6> axeld * r13728 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/translators/giftranslator/GIFTranslator.cpp: Fixed warnings, minor cleanup.[08:53:53] <CIA-6> axeld * r13729 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/pulse/NormalPulseView.cpp: Fixed warning (wrong format).[08:57:02] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[08:57:04] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[09:04:03] *** m_eiman has joined #haiku[09:06:38] <CIA-6> axeld * r13730 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/ (AppInfoList.cpp RecentEntries.cpp TRoster.cpp): MIME types and signatures are case insensitive.[09:08:34] <CIA-6> axeld * r13731 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/ (Messenger.cpp Roster.cpp): Signatures are case insensitive - I hope I fixed all occurences now... (but probably not)[09:16:20] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:27:29] <CIA-6> axeld * r13732 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (27 files in 3 dirs):[09:27:29] <CIA-6> Moved Andrew's Terminal files into a subfolder - maybe this should be moved[09:27:29] <CIA-6> to his developer branch. Maybe he wants to integrate the changes, too, whatever[09:27:29] <CIA-6> he has done.[09:27:29] <CIA-6> Removed unused files (muterm-2.3.zip, Jamfile - both still in history).[09:28:32] <CIA-6> axeld * r13733 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/README.GPL_to_OBOS:[09:28:32] <CIA-6> Removed paragraph about muterm-2.3.zip - it's still in the history, if[09:28:32] <CIA-6> anyone wants to have another look at it.[09:35:33] <CIA-6> axeld * r13734 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (118 files in 2 dirs):[09:35:33] <CIA-6> Moved the files out of the MYOB folder into the main folder.[09:35:33] <CIA-6> There are some double entries (like TermApp.cpp and TerminalApp.cpp, so[09:35:33] <CIA-6> it still needs a further cleanup).[09:35:41] *** Dr3w has joined #haiku[09:36:37] *** kma has joined #haiku[09:37:07] <CIA-6> axeld * r13735 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/MYOB/: Deleted the now obsolete MYOB folder.[09:38:35] <CIA-6> axeld * r13736 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/TermWindow.cpp: Accidently disabled set_mouse_position() with my last commit.[09:53:40] *** jjkola has joined #haiku[09:55:03] <CIA-6> axeld * r13737 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (6 files):[09:55:03] <CIA-6> Removed the ugly about window, and replaced it with a common BAlert.[09:55:03] <CIA-6> Moved the alert to TermApp, too - TermWindow now only forwards the B_ABOUT_REQUESTED message.[09:56:04] <CIA-6> axeld * r13738 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/TermConst.h: Removed MENU_SHOW_ABOUT constant - it's no longer used.[09:59:23] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[09:59:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBurton[09:59:25] <@JBurton> hi[10:05:19] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[10:07:48] <Dr3w> Hey JAck.[10:08:33] <@JBurton> hi Dr3w[10:10:54] *** Korli has joined #haiku[10:10:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[10:11:06] <@JBurton> hey Korli[10:11:23] <@Korli> hey JBurton[10:11:51] *** EL_Gringo has joined #haiku[10:11:55] <CIA-6> axeld * r13739 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (Jamfile ShellPrefView.cpp ShellPrefView.h):[10:11:56] <CIA-6> Forgot to commit Jamfile before: removed AboutWindow.cpp.[10:11:56] <CIA-6> Cleaned up ShellPrefView a little.[10:12:36] *** Lt_Henry has joined #haiku[10:22:27] *** emwe has joined #haiku[10:24:42] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[10:24:46] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[10:26:37] *** jjkola has quit IRC[10:38:39] *** xeD has joined #haiku[10:38:44] <@JBurton> hi xeD[10:38:56] <xeD> hola JBurton![10:45:02] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[10:48:03] *** thorn_ has joined #haiku[10:52:38] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[10:55:15] <@Korli> JBurton did you test Haiku on a real machine ?[11:04:26] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[11:06:09] <Konrad> The build if broken (Haiku svn)[11:07:27] <@JBurton> yeah, Korli[11:07:32] <@JBurton> saturday[11:07:50] <@JBurton> Konrad what does fail to build ?[11:08:03] <Konrad> Desktop.cpp[11:08:52] <Konrad> Ah, svn[11:08:56] <Konrad> Its not your fault[11:09:17] *** tqh has joined #haiku[11:10:10] <@JBurton> Konrad ?[11:10:23] <@JBurton> Korli funny.. the "f" doesn't render correctly[11:10:35] <Konrad> Garbage from svn was left in the file[11:10:45] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:11:47] <@JBurton> oh[11:13:16] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:22:46] <CIA-6> axeld * r13740 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/Workspace.cpp: Fixed the crashing bug with BAlerts - have I already said that this code is a mess?[11:24:11] *** jjkola has joined #haiku[11:24:21] <CIA-6> axeld * r13741 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (Layer.cpp RootLayer.cpp ServerWindow.cpp):[11:24:22] <CIA-6> Moved the RootLayer::LayerRemoved() call from the ServerWindow destructor to RootLayer::RemoveWinBorder().[11:24:22] <CIA-6> ServerWindow printed the title in its destructor after freeing it (with debug output turned on).[11:24:22] <CIA-6> Calmed it down a bit, too (disabled "listening on port...").[11:25:13] *** Konrad has quit IRC[11:29:01] *** Leo42 has joined #haiku[11:34:09] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[11:34:31] *** sys2 has quit IRC[11:36:55] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[11:43:50] *** jjkola has quit IRC[11:48:35] *** khorben has quit IRC[11:53:04] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[11:53:14] <thaflo> AxelD hier?[11:53:46] <thaflo> Axel?[11:53:49] <CIA-6> axeld * r13742 /haiku/trunk/src/ (kits/interface/Window.cpp servers/app/ServerWindow.cpp): A call to SetSizeLimits() can change the window frame, so it's now updated, too (a separate FrameResized() message is sent anyway).[11:59:52] *** jjkola has joined #haiku[11:59:54] *** EL_Gringo has quit IRC[12:18:09] *** Methe has joined #haiku[12:19:47] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[12:19:57] <Methe> hi there[12:22:05] <@JBurton> hi Methe[12:22:29] <Methe> so, was my 3lines coding in MenuItem any use ?[12:22:55] *** slaad has quit IRC[12:23:04] <@JBurton> I haven't had any time to integrate them, sorry[12:23:38] <Methe> no pb[12:23:42] * Methe just wondered[12:23:50] <Dr3w> A guy from MetroWerks might be able to get me a cheap/free copy of CodeWarrior 4 Pro so I can work on the oldworld boot loader for PowerPC systems...[12:24:51] <@JBurton> "oldworld" ?[12:30:41] <CIA-6> axeld * r13743 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Window.cpp:[12:30:42] <CIA-6> The window is not supposed to resize the top level view. This removes the[12:30:42] <CIA-6> "look-through" area in Terminal, and probably ShowImage as well.[12:32:31] *** fyysik has quit IRC[12:32:48] <Dr3w> Yeah, the beige stuff. Most of the stuff that was originally supported by BeOS and the G3 stuff.[12:33:13] <Dr3w> but not the x100 range, as they are pre-OpenFirmware.[12:33:33] <@JBurton> but that's old stuff, who wants to use them ? :)[12:33:43] <Dr3w> heh - although for some reason I would like a 6100/66AV running BeOS, I like the form-factor of the 6100's.[12:33:51] <tic> uhh, zeta has gone completely nuts now.[12:34:11] <@JBurton> bbl lunch[12:34:39] <CIA-6> axeld * r13744 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/WinBorder.cpp: Fixed compilation with debug output turned on.[12:34:49] *** tic has quit IRC[12:43:31] *** thaflo has quit IRC[12:49:59] *** tic has joined #haiku[12:54:02] *** tic has quit IRC[13:02:25] *** tic has joined #haiku[13:05:20] *** khorben has joined #haiku[13:10:28] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[13:15:12] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[13:19:47] <Dr3w> Philipp's vmware image seems to crash on startup.[13:19:52] <Dr3w> just freezes.[13:22:00] <Dr3w> Yup, just gave me a processor reset thing.[13:30:14] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[13:31:10] *** xeD has quit IRC[13:38:30] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[13:38:50] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[13:39:27] <CIA-6> rudolfc * r13745 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/via/ (SetDisplayMode.c engine/crtc.c): added colordepth and CRTC FIFO limit programming. You can now switch colorspaces on the fly, but colors probably mess-up because of still lacking colorpalette programming.[13:40:03] <CIA-6> rudolfc * r13746 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/via/ (README.html UPDATE.html): updated docs.[13:40:27] <Teknomancer> anyone knows how what mode to use to draw a Darkened bitmap?[13:40:33] <CIA-6> rudolfc * r13747 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/graphics/via/macros.h: updated reg defines.[13:40:39] <Teknomancer> like how Tracker darkens bitmap when selcetion of an item happens[13:41:18] <tic> there's always tint_color.. but that's per-color.[13:42:08] <Teknomancer> that only handles colours i think[13:42:40] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[13:42:56] *** [1]jjkola has joined #haiku[13:43:28] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[13:43:41] <@Korli> Teknomancer have a look at Tracker's source code then[13:44:19] <Teknomancer> trying to find :)[13:44:21] <Teknomancer> in that[13:50:41] *** jjkola has quit IRC[13:51:25] *** EL_Gringo has joined #haiku[13:51:28] <@JBurton> Teknomancer sure[13:51:37] <@JBurton> fillrect over it[13:51:41] <@JBurton> with a special drawing mode[13:51:43] <@JBurton> wait a sec[13:52:11] *** [1]jjkola is now known as jjkola[13:52:24] <@Korli> JBurton alpha mode[13:52:43] <@JBurton> http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/haiku/haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ChannelSlider.cpp?rev=12613&view=markup[13:52:50] <@JBurton> have a look at DrawThumb(), Teknomancer[13:52:58] <@JBurton> yeah Korli[13:53:22] *** ProctonW has quit IRC[13:53:38] *** kma_ has joined #haiku[13:53:54] <@JBurton> the "if (pressed)" part[13:54:03] *** kma has quit IRC[13:55:13] *** illissius has joined #haiku[13:56:03] <Teknomancer> thanks[13:56:24] <@JBurton> np[13:57:30] <Teknomancer> err[13:57:40] <Teknomancer> doesn't work on an already B_OP_ALPHA drawn bitmap[13:57:48] <Teknomancer> it darkens the background "white" as well[13:57:52] <Teknomancer> unlike in Tracker[13:58:02] <@JBurton> hmmm[13:58:48] *** jjkola is now known as [1]jjkola[14:00:02] *** [1]jjkola is now known as jjkola[14:00:14] <Teknomancer> wherease in your Slider example you have used B_OP_OVER[14:01:43] <Teknomancer> just discovered something[14:05:20] <Teknomancer> hmm[14:06:16] <Dr3w> its OK, all men have them.[14:06:33] <@JBurton> lol[14:06:49] <@JBurton> why do you need B_OP_ALPHA for drawing the bitmap ?[14:06:51] <@JBurton> Teknomancer[14:06:58] <Teknomancer> because if i change the background color[14:07:08] <Teknomancer> B_OP_OVER doesn't draw with transparency[14:07:52] <@JBurton> well if you change the background color, just redraw the bitmap[14:08:05] <@JBurton> no ?[14:08:08] *** jjkola is now known as jjkola|afk[14:08:09] <Teknomancer> nomancer> no[14:08:16] <@JBurton> then I'm not sure I understand :([14:09:39] <Teknomancer> B_OP_OVER always leaves white as the background[14:09:47] <Teknomancer> while the same with B_OP_ALPHA does it correctly[14:10:39] <@JBurton> really ? that's not what I would expect[14:11:15] <Teknomancer> me neither[14:11:24] <Teknomancer> but that is how I'm getting... here's the code[14:11:34] <Teknomancer> hmm[14:11:37] <Teknomancer> where shall i paste ? :)[14:11:39] <@JBurton> http://rafb.net/paste/[14:11:42] <Teknomancer> thx[14:12:03] <@JBurton> then send here the url[14:12:11] <Teknomancer> http://rafb.net/paste/results/v9m0MV45.html[14:13:09] <@JBurton> and this always leaves white as background ?[14:13:17] <@JBurton> even if you change the viewcolor ?[14:13:37] <Teknomancer> yes[14:14:01] <Teknomancer> wherease just changing B_OP_OVER to B_OP_ALPHA works.[14:14:25] <@JBurton> weird.[14:14:31] <@JBurton> don't have any idea[14:14:40] <Teknomancer> and i've tried juggling with High and Low colours as well[14:14:42] <Teknomancer> nomancer> no effect.[14:14:52] <Teknomancer> have you tried the same with your Slider thingy?[14:14:56] <@JBurton> no[14:15:08] <Teknomancer> i meant trying with a different back color ...?[14:15:27] <@JBurton> no[14:15:28] <@JBurton> :)[14:16:14] <Teknomancer> ok[14:16:37] *** Konrad has quit IRC[14:16:37] <Teknomancer> I wonder how tracker does it :)[14:16:47] <Teknomancer> i still can't find the part where the draw such a bitmap[14:16:50] <CIA-6> korli * r13748 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/apps/miniterminal/Jamfile: fix the build[14:16:51] <Teknomancer> or mode[14:17:04] <@JBurton> which bitmap, btw ?[14:17:09] <Teknomancer> any[14:17:11] <Teknomancer> file etc.[14:17:16] <Teknomancer> it draws by darkening it.[14:17:24] <@JBurton> ah yes I see[14:17:29] <Teknomancer> or rather fills rect of somekind without hindering the background..[14:17:38] <@JBurton> have a look at Pose.cpp, maybe[14:17:40] <Teknomancer> which is unlikely as it works even when background isn't one colour[14:17:48] <Teknomancer> yeah Pose is one big mess ;-P[14:17:51] <@JBurton> :=)[14:18:21] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[14:22:17] <@JBurton> it uses SetBlendingMode[14:22:38] <@JBurton> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/opentracker/opentracker/tracker/Pose.cpp?rev=1.22&view=markup[14:22:40] <@JBurton> see DrawIcon[14:24:14] <Teknomancer> thanks[14:24:16] <Teknomancer> will try[14:24:16] <@JBurton> uh no wait[14:24:18] <@JBurton> it's not that :)([14:24:47] <Teknomancer> :^)[14:25:19] <Teknomancer> yeah[14:25:22] <Teknomancer> it isn't.[14:26:42] <@JBurton> this shows how simple and straigthforward tracker is[14:26:56] <@JBurton> I'm tracking it... I'm into IconCache::Draw()[14:27:24] <Teknomancer> ok[14:28:11] <@Korli> JBurton there is a guy for whom the beos keyboard driver doesn't work, I tried to help telling him to try a USB keyboard :)[14:28:19] <@JBurton> I talked with hit too[14:28:22] <@JBurton> er[14:28:23] <@JBurton> him[14:28:30] <@Korli> ah here ?[14:28:34] <@JBurton> on> on beshare[14:28:44] <@JBurton> Teknomancer it could use two bitmaps[14:29:01] <@JBurton> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/opentracker/opentracker/tracker/IconCache.cpp?rev=1.7&view=markup[14:29:09] <@JBurton> IconForMode[14:29:28] <Teknomancer> oh damn[14:29:31] <Teknomancer> that would be bad :)[14:29:43] <@JBurton> maybe it changes the plain bitmap[14:29:48] <@JBurton> and generates a new one[14:29:55] <@JBurton> with darkened colors[14:30:15] <@JBurton> definitely :)[14:30:20] <Teknomancer> how ?[14:30:24] <@JBurton> IconCache::sIconCache->MakeSelectedIcon(constructFrom, size, lazyBitmap);[14:30:30] <Teknomancer> ok[14:30:54] <@JBurton> BBitmap *[14:30:54] <@JBurton> IconCache::MakeTransformedIcon[14:31:15] *** slaad has joined #haiku[14:31:23] <Teknomancer> hmm[14:31:23] <Teknomancer> ok[14:31:26] <Teknomancer> seeing it now[14:31:36] <@JBurton> Korli I tried to search some info about the problem with those netvista pcs[14:31:40] <@JBurton> but can't find anything[14:31:54] <@Korli> JBurton I tried to type special characters in StyledEdit and it works éàçèëê[14:32:01] <@JBurton> yeah it works here too[14:32:11] <@JBurton> I don't know why the "f" got rendered wrong[14:32:12] <@Korli> so dead keys are working[14:32:16] <@JBurton> but only before[14:32:17] <@JBurton> yeah[14:36:37] *** Nies has joined #haiku[14:38:53] <@Korli> things I don't have working : combinations with AltGr working, copy paste with Alt+C[14:40:11] <@JBurton> maybe copy paste needs more support somewhere else ?[14:49:46] *** bogomipz has joined #haiku[14:50:14] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:50:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[15:00:06] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[15:00:46] <@JBurton> and input methods ? always crashing in AddInt64 ?[15:00:49] <@JBurton> Korli[15:01:02] <SiCuTDeUx> hi![15:10:06] *** evdubs has joined #haiku[15:11:44] <@Korli> JBurton ingo fixed the stacktrace :)[15:12:37] <@Korli> oh it crashes in Unflatten[15:17:38] <@JBurton> I've seen the commit log :)[15:17:54] <@JBurton> more subtle BMessage bugs, eh ?[15:19:37] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[15:23:02] *** illissius has quit IRC[15:26:19] * [Beta] hugs alt+223[15:28:49] *** kma has joined #haiku[15:31:44] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[15:35:34] *** fyysik has quit IRC[15:38:59] *** jjkola|afk is now known as jjkola[15:39:45] <@Korli> JBurton the stacktrace isn't always the same (sometimes it crashes in BMessage::BMessage() sometimes in BMessage::Unflatten() sometimes in BMessage::AddInt64()[15:40:49] *** Konrad has quit IRC[15:41:29] *** ProctonW has joined #haiku[15:41:44] <@JBurton> could be a locking issue ?[15:42:11] <@Korli> no stack allocated[15:43:43] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[15:44:20] <miqlas> re[15:46:26] <@Korli> JBurton 8 bits mode are badly rendered on VPC[15:46:35] <@Korli> blue is lacking[15:48:02] <@JBurton> I see[15:48:12] <@Korli> I should run unit tests on Haiku[15:48:15] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[15:48:16] <@JBurton> yeah[15:48:28] <@Korli> don't know how to though[15:50:38] <@JBurton> I guess you need to have most of the haiku tree under haiku[15:50:39] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:50:59] *** Leo42 has quit IRC[15:57:17] <Dr3w> Can anyone tell me how this is for BeOS compatibility? http://www.toshiba.ca/web/specifications.grp?lg=en§ion=1&group=223&product=11&part=20[15:58:46] <tic> not good, I guess.[15:58:59] <tic> (yamaha audio, trident xp video, via wireless)[16:04:11] *** m_eiman has quit IRC[16:13:23] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[16:16:22] *** MikeW has quit IRC[16:17:09] <slaad> The audio might be supported.[16:22:31] *** petterhj has quit IRC[16:24:02] *** slaad has quit IRC[16:24:15] <miqlas> bye[16:25:22] *** miqlas has quit IRC[16:26:14] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[16:28:58] *** petterhj has quit IRC[16:36:42] *** mmadia has quit IRC[16:37:25] *** Zaranthos has quit IRC[16:40:26] *** Koki has joined #haiku[16:40:52] *** DarthVader has joined #haiku[16:40:57] *** Begasus has quit IRC[16:42:24] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[16:46:58] *** Mazon is now known as mazon[16:55:00] <TheGreatDane> tic[16:55:05] <tic> hi TheGreatDane[16:55:11] <TheGreatDane> wow that was fast![16:55:12] <TheGreatDane> :-)[16:55:16] <TheGreatDane> Thanks for the build!!![16:57:48] *** illissius has joined #haiku[17:09:38] *** illissius- has joined #haiku[17:10:18] <TheGreatDane> Question... in the program "Pe," is there any way of getting it to launch without that floating toolbar window?[17:11:17] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[17:11:47] <scanty> yes[17:11:52] <scanty> check the preferences.[17:12:01] <scanty> on startup, you want it to "do nothing"[17:12:04] <scanty> IIRC[17:12:05] *** Leo42 has joined #haiku[17:15:12] <CIA-6> rudolfc * r13749 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/via/ (SetDisplayMode.c engine/crtc.c engine/dac.c engine/general.c):[17:15:12] <CIA-6> added color palette programming, in use for CMAP8 (so 8-bit) mode. Modified[17:15:12] <CIA-6> 15-bit mode to be correct (like 16 and 32bit already were): these three modes[17:15:12] <CIA-6> are direct modes (no 'detour' over the palette). Setting colorspace is now fully[17:15:12] <CIA-6> functional for all 4 depths.[17:15:29] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[17:15:59] <CIA-6> rudolfc * r13750 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/via/ (README.html UPDATE.html): updated docs. Bumped version to 0.04 BTW.[17:16:22] <Dr3w> Can anyone suggest a laptop around the PIII-650-950MHz range thats nice and compatible with BeOS?[17:16:41] <scanty> Dr3w, I have heard good things about Dell Lattitudes[17:16:46] <CIA-6> rudolfc * r13751 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/graphics/via/macros.h: once again updated register defines ;-)[17:17:03] <Dr3w> hey scanty I added the sparc target to config.sub which has been committed by the maintainer.[17:17:14] <scanty> and there's also a Compaq (I forget the model) which is 100% BeOS compatible in that range.[17:17:32] <scanty> Dr3w, great news... hopefully we can get a gcc going :)[17:17:51] <Dr3w> which means, if I work out how to get gcc to produce the right targets for ppc, then I might be able to use the same techniques for sparc.[17:18:02] <scanty> ah, still stuck on PPC?[17:18:04] <Dr3w> but thats just the build tools, the build chain needs fixing first.[17:18:04] *** illissius has quit IRC[17:18:19] <Dr3w> yes, haven't had time to look at it this week, but I am staying in tonight, so I might look then.[17:18:46] <scanty> well, no rush... I've got enough things keeping my occupied here.[17:19:33] <scanty> I don't even have gcc on this system anymore.[17:19:54] <scanty> using SunPro now ;)[17:19:59] <scanty> it should be able to build a gcc, though[17:20:47] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13752 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/debug/SymbolLookup.cpp: Corrected the note about static symbols.[17:28:18] <scanty> bbl[17:29:23] <@JBurton> bye all[17:29:26] *** JBurton has quit IRC[17:34:22] *** Leo44 has joined #haiku[17:34:36] *** Leo42 has quit IRC[17:35:36] <Lt_Henry> what is the best DivX player for beos?[17:35:44] <Lt_Henry> in terms of speed[17:36:08] <Konrad> vlc can play them in 8x =)[17:36:58] <Lt_Henry> :D[17:37:18] <Konrad> VLC keeps the sync ( as its not using the codecs from the OS)[17:37:29] <Konrad> I guess thats fixed in Hauku[17:37:36] <Konrad> Haiku, even. Sorry guys[17:37:44] <Lt_Henry> I tried to play an actual divx on a slow machine (p-II 350)[17:37:52] <tic> that should work.[17:38:14] <Konrad> Lt_Henry it workes for some minutes, then Audio and video lost sync[17:38:21] <Lt_Henry> but... it doesn't play smoothly[17:38:24] <Lt_Henry> even with overlay[17:38:30] <Konrad> Lt_Henry try VLC then[17:39:43] <Konrad> http://bebits.com/bob/18658/vlc-0.8.2-test2-BeOS.zip I think this is the best version to use (even if there are newer builds)[17:44:22] <TheGreatDane> Well Konrad![17:53:24] *** Zaranthos has joined #haiku[18:01:21] <Dr3w> later, going home now.[18:01:24] *** Dr3w has quit IRC[18:04:13] *** valexey has joined #haiku[18:10:46] *** Korli has quit IRC[18:14:20] *** FastJack has quit IRC[18:14:31] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[18:15:41] <SiCuTDeUx_> re[18:17:54] *** FastJack has joined #haiku[18:26:54] *** jjkola has quit IRC[18:26:55] *** Konrad has quit IRC[18:27:04] *** Konrad77 has joined #haiku[18:28:21] <agentmumu> scanty: be carefull with dell latitudes![18:28:39] <agentmumu> scanty: I have a c600 no support for video/audio/network :/[18:33:58] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[18:37:45] *** EL_Gringo has quit IRC[18:42:40] *** Konrad77 has quit IRC[18:43:55] <CIA-6> axeld * r13753 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/ShutdownProcess.cpp:[18:43:55] <CIA-6> Exchanged the order of the "Cancel" and "Reboot"/"Shutdown" buttons (and made the[18:43:55] <CIA-6> latter the default), with Ingo's generous admission :-)[18:50:35] *** scanty has quit IRC[18:52:22] *** TLF has joined #haiku[18:56:36] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[19:03:22] *** lizdeika has joined #haiku[19:04:29] *** valexey has quit IRC[19:05:15] *** Lt_Henry has quit IRC[19:05:51] *** valexey has joined #haiku[19:10:59] *** Begasus has quit IRC[19:11:38] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[19:20:24] *** petterhj has quit IRC[19:23:33] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[19:25:17] *** scanty has joined #haiku[19:36:10] <fyysik> any american here?[19:37:00] <McCall> Home![19:37:01] <scanty> yes[19:37:12] <scanty> although maybe I shouldn't admit that publicly :^)[19:37:14] <evdubs> yeap[19:37:23] <evdubs> no.... americans unite!![19:37:36] <scanty> hehe[19:38:42] <fyysik> i'm wondering if "Hobe" is good name for (web)browser[19:38:55] <fyysik> with all assotiations and connotations[19:38:58] <fyysik> Hobo[19:39:00] <fyysik> not Hobe[19:39:04] *** jjkola has joined #haiku[19:39:11] <McCall> Why Hobe?[19:39:34] <fyysik> Hobo[19:39:55] <McCall> Seems an OK name in the UK, but it doesn't spring any "navigation" or "browsing" connotations to mind.[19:39:58] <evdubs> how is it pronounced? "Ho-Bee" ? or "Hob" with a long o[19:40:30] * scanty wonders if there is/was a Net++[19:40:32] <McCall> Surbe![19:40:58] <McCall> Hybe![19:40:59] <fyysik> afaik it means wandering around without regard to borders and highways:)[19:41:05] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[19:41:17] <fyysik> It is american for vagabond or such[19:41:20] <McCall> Ah, well a nicer name could be "Nomad"[19:41:36] <McCall> think it means the same thing.[19:42:01] <fyysik> Nomad lack any assonance with Haiku or Be :)[19:42:03] <fyysik> lacks[19:42:10] <McCall> Yeah, I suppose.[19:42:49] <McCall> I still think that you should try and get a word that brings to mind some sort of surf, hyperlink, navigation image to mind.[19:43:01] <lemon> i preffer Nirvana: from Haiku to Nirvana[19:43:34] <lemon> Nirvana brings all and nothing ;-)[19:43:49] <lemon> nice word for speculations[19:44:00] <DaaT> Nirvana also brings a bullet to the head[19:44:16] <McCall> Netaku! :-p[19:44:18] <McCall> lol[19:44:36] <McCall> Actually, I quite like that after saying it a few times![19:45:00] <lemon> DaaT: yeah all the internet about Kurt K.[19:45:10] <DaaT> :)[19:45:11] <lemon> nothing about pure nirvana. agh[19:47:09] <fyysik> McCall - "some sort of surf, hyperlink, navigation image to mind." - yeah, like Konqueror, Galeon, Explorer, Safari, Tracker. Hehe[19:47:11] <lemon> some people found in internet something like nirvana :)[19:47:39] <DaaT> like that t-shirt from amsterdam? :)[19:47:50] <DaaT> though that was more nirvana in playing video games[19:47:53] <fyysik> fking cheeps?[19:48:40] <DaaT> nope, the t-shirt pic, bit below that one[19:48:48] <CIA-6> mmlr * r13754 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/RootLayer.cpp: Fixed some miss-allocation when getting the the workspace windows.[19:50:00] <bogomipz> there's a bug in that source code comment -^[19:50:03] <McCall> Best I can think of is Netaku, or Tube[19:50:39] <McCall> Tube as in the hollow of a wave where it is breaking, for some surfers its the be all and end all of surfing.[19:50:47] <scanty> tu-be or not tu-be.[19:50:49] <scanty> ^_^[19:50:55] <DaaT> btw, what is this name search for?[19:51:12] <scanty> web browser.[19:51:29] <valexey> Hanet[19:51:41] <fyysik> hujnet[19:51:46] <fyysik> lazha[19:51:49] <DaaT> ahh, new native browser? or just in general?[19:51:57] <DaaT> "surfergirl"[19:51:59] * DaaT hides[19:52:09] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:52:31] <fyysik> ChickTrapper[19:52:54] <DaaT> eh[19:52:59] <DaaT> pr0nfinder[19:53:08] <fyysik> as most (50%) of net population uses web for chicks hunting and other kind of pr0n[19:53:08] <McCall> Skinflicker.[19:53:12] <scanty> doesn't mozilla have a libpr0n?[19:53:19] <fyysik> it does[19:53:26] <scanty> hehe[19:54:07] <AnEvilYak> yes, image rendering lib I believe.[19:54:21] <scanty> brilliant[19:54:33] *** valexey_ has joined #haiku[19:54:47] <DaaT> makes sense[19:54:58] <DaaT> pr0n pics need to be rendered perfectly[19:55:15] *** fanskapet has joined #haiku[19:55:33] *** Nies has quit IRC[19:56:09] <AnEvilYak> DaaT: and smoothly scaled fullscreen.[19:56:21] <fyysik> Hoboken also sounds bit Japanese but name is alredy taken by NJ[19:56:23] <DaaT> eh[19:56:36] <scanty> we wouldn't want to name anything after New Jersey![19:56:41] <scanty> that's like heresy[19:57:15] * fyysik has TV-chair with name "New Jersey" btw[19:57:29] <scanty> there's an old saying..[19:57:38] <scanty> "kiss her where it smells.... New Jersey"[19:57:52] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has quit IRC[19:59:14] <DaaT> who's coding the browser btw? and which engine does it use?[19:59:33] *** thies has quit IRC[19:59:50] <fyysik> nobody atm[19:59:52] <scanty> thank you for breaking the disturbing silence I have created.[19:59:57] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[19:59:59] <fyysik> but it may change[20:00:47] * DaaT smacks scanty[20:00:48] <DaaT> :P[20:00:49] <DaaT> thx fyysik[20:01:09] <scanty> heh[20:01:17] <scanty> I don't have to take this kind of abuse![20:01:44] <DaaT> mmmmmmmmm... actually... yes, you do[20:01:45] <scanty> but then perhaps it's better than no attention at all :)[20:01:46] <AnEvilYak> in the Be spirit I vote for Browse-o-Matic[20:01:54] * DaaT smacks AnEvilYak as well[20:01:56] <DaaT> :P[20:02:39] <SiCuTDeUx> hello![20:02:58] <scanty> I'm DaaT and I smack people on IRC because I have low self-esteem[20:03:04] <DaaT> LOL[20:03:08] <DaaT> darn... my secret's out[20:03:11] *** thies has joined #haiku[20:03:19] <scanty> ^_^[20:03:28] * DaaT goes to the corner to cry[20:03:43] * AnEvilYak slaps DaaT[20:03:46] <AnEvilYak> (no trout)[20:03:52] <scanty> I'll go get you a towel[20:03:57] <DaaT> AnEvilYak :)[20:04:01] <DaaT> scanty, better a sheet[20:04:05] *** DarthVader has left #haiku[20:04:12] <scanty> hehe[20:04:14] * AnEvilYak backs away from DaaT[20:04:23] <AnEvilYak> I can't believe I shared a bed with you....[20:04:32] <DaaT> ah, I was just going to point that out!![20:04:35] * AnEvilYak runs off to shower in rubbing alcohol[20:04:36] <thies> arabian bukkake nights[20:04:36] <DaaT> YOU DIDN'T BACK AWAY THAT TIME MISTER!!![20:04:37] <DaaT> :P[20:04:49] <AnEvilYak> DaaT: you realize this is just as incriminating to you.[20:04:51] <DaaT> actually... *grin*[20:04:54] <DaaT> AnEvilYak, I do[20:05:01] <DaaT> I'm prepared to suffer the consequences[20:05:13] <AnEvilYak> .....[20:05:21] <AnEvilYak> so you're saying you want new skin lotion?[20:05:24] * DaaT warns he has a news site... ph34r the power of the press (reminds you of someone?)[20:05:24] <DaaT> :D[20:05:34] <DaaT> hahaha, no thanks, not THAT[20:05:39] <AnEvilYak> bwahaha.[20:06:12] <scanty> well, you better put an article up on how you're such a crybaby ^_^[20:06:14] <thies> Vagic[20:06:19] <thies> for peachy skin[20:06:37] * DaaT goes to photoshop and creates some interesting phrases from scanty, for a news piece[20:06:46] <scanty> yay[20:06:53] <scanty> now I"ll be famous.[20:06:57] <DaaT> :D[20:08:21] <AnEvilYak> *crickets*[20:09:10] <DaaT> ssshh[20:09:15] <DaaT> enjoy the silence[20:09:29] *** b3w has joined #haiku[20:11:03] <thies> POUTINE![20:13:10] * DaaT doesn't enjoy poutine[20:13:33] *** fanskapet has quit IRC[20:13:35] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[20:14:08] *** Korli has joined #haiku[20:14:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[20:16:19] *** thorn_ has quit IRC[20:20:20] *** dos4gw has joined #haiku[20:20:31] *** dos4gw is now known as Dr_evil[20:21:03] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[20:23:08] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[20:23:29] *** valexey has quit IRC[20:26:51] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone know where to order Zeta to sweden? gotta give it a try.. my last hope to get a BeOS machine up and running again :)[20:26:52] <Fanskapet> im desperate :D[20:27:08] <Fanskapet> ah well .. besides haikuOS that is :D[20:27:16] <DaaT> closest I know of is mensys or a vendor from germany[20:27:37] <Fanskapet> hm okey.. and they take orders worldwide?[20:28:45] <DaaT> mensys does, the others... dunno[20:29:16] <Fanskapet> hmm and the mensys is a international not just german version of it? :)[20:29:47] <DaaT> well, actually, every version is international[20:30:01] <AnEvilYak> there is no "german-only" version of it.[20:30:08] <AnEvilYak> there is one version that comes with all languages.[20:30:19] <scanty> *all* languages?[20:30:23] <DaaT> yes[20:30:25] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:30:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[20:30:28] <AnEvilYak> all supported languages yes.[20:30:45] <scanty> there's no RTL support, right?[20:30:57] <DaaT> rtl?[20:30:58] <AnEvilYak> as in 8139/8169?[20:31:16] <AnEvilYak> I'm assuming you're not referring to the german TV channel anyhow.[20:31:21] <scanty> no, right-to-left text[20:31:23] <AnEvilYak> oh.[20:31:26] <AnEvilYak> nope.[20:31:29] <DaaT> ah[20:31:44] <Fanskapet> agh.. 894SEK i sure hope it's working on my laptop[20:31:54] <Fanskapet> else i will stay home for a week and cry at my empty wallet :)[20:32:04] <AnEvilYak> what kind of laptop?[20:32:05] <DaaT> what are the specs?[20:32:09] <Fanskapet> and im really sceptic :)[20:32:21] <Fanskapet> well it's my mobility 9700 that hunts me in my BeOS dreams :D[20:32:27] <Fanskapet> Acer Ferrari 3200[20:32:29] <DaaT> that works for me perfectl[20:32:30] <DaaT> y[20:32:38] <Fanskapet> it does?[20:32:49] <Fanskapet> you had problems using BeOS with that computer before R1?[20:32:56] <Fanskapet> like.. black screen? :)[20:32:58] <Fanskapet> (panel)[20:33:01] <Dr_evil> BMediaEventLooper doesn't work when using PCR time stamps :([20:33:03] <DaaT> nope, been working almost since the beginning[20:33:05] *** xeD has joined #haiku[20:33:10] <DaaT> only in the first days, then it was fixed :)[20:33:12] <DaaT> hi xeD[20:33:17] <xeD> DaaT ciao[20:33:24] <Fanskapet> hmm well i couldn't even use Zeta NEO[20:33:30] <fyysik> is there ability to by Zeta from Mensys with WebMoney?[20:33:48] *** xeD is now known as xeD_[20:33:56] <DaaT> Fanskapet, what's your card's ID?[20:34:00] <DaaT> fyysik, dunno, you'd have to ask them[20:34:44] <fyysik> DaaT - actually, most of qube.ru readers are interested in Zeta Home + WebMoney[20:34:52] <Fanskapet> DaaT.. hmm i don't really know.. any way to check it in windows?[20:34:59] <DaaT> Fanskapet, sure[20:35:00] <fyysik> but AFAIK YT don't provide separate Zeta Home atm[20:35:02] * Fanskapet goes windows control panel[20:35:12] <DaaT> yeah fyysik, don't think so[20:35:21] <DaaT> snack, brb[20:36:25] <@Korli> Dr_evil what is a PCR timestamp ?[20:36:51] <Fanskapet> DaaT: ven_1002[20:36:59] <Fanskapet> is that the ID you wanted to know?[20:37:03] <Dr_evil> program clock reference[20:37:46] <Dr_evil> Korli i would need to make dvb it's own time source, but then the recordning app needs to handle this somehow[20:37:49] <@Korli> hmm what does this mean ?[20:38:43] <@Korli> ah what makes it different from a standard timesource ?[20:38:56] <Dr_evil> standard time source is audio card[20:39:14] <Dr_evil> dvb has timestamps, and a reference clock[20:39:20] *** emwe has quit IRC[20:39:38] <Dr_evil> so dvb would better be a timesource, and stamp buffers in correct PCR time stamps[20:39:56] <Dr_evil> but then i don't know how to connect this to audio mixer[20:40:26] <@Korli> ok so what means program clock reference ?[20:40:43] <Dr_evil> a referece time[20:40:49] <Dr_evil> reference[20:41:49] <Dr_evil> brb, fetching some food[20:42:45] <@Korli> Dr_evil an audio card behaves the same, no ?[20:48:03] <Dr_evil> yes it does[20:48:14] <Dr_evil> but you can only have one standard time source[20:48:29] <Dr_evil> this whole timesource concept is stupid[20:49:34] <@Korli> Dr_evil you can have any number of timesources[20:49:35] <DaaT> Fanskapet, yes, 1002[20:49:47] <DaaT> and the dev id? mine's 4e50[20:50:15] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[20:50:23] <Dr_evil> Korli yes, i know[20:50:24] <Fanskapet> DaaT devID 4E50[20:50:35] <DaaT> same here[20:50:37] <TheGreatDane> tic[20:50:41] <Fanskapet> DaaT but did you get Zeta NEO to work then?[20:50:48] <DaaT> though ATI messed up A LOT with the IDs[20:50:51] <DaaT> yes[20:50:58] <Fanskapet> NEO did not work for me[20:51:07] <@Korli> Dr_evil your record node is a timesource too, so there is no reason for using the system timesource when recording[20:51:17] <Fanskapet> just a pitch black screen.. if i didn't have an external monitor connected[20:51:42] <DaaT> that happened to me too at first[20:51:57] <Fanskapet> hmm and how did you solve it?[20:52:38] * DaaT whistles[20:52:49] <@Korli> Dr_evil I thought you had a working media addon for your dvd card[20:54:49] <Dr_evil> yes, it translates the timing to standard timesource time[20:55:01] <Dr_evil> but I need preserve PCR for encoded data[20:55:21] <@Korli> oh this makes sense[20:55:46] <Dr_evil> right now, only decoded output works[20:55:53] <@Korli> can't you keep the timestamps in encoded data ?[20:56:33] <Dr_evil> yes, but I still need the reference time, oh this is so crude[20:57:34] <@Korli> your timesource should provide it somehow[20:59:04] <@Korli> PCR is more than 64 bits maybe this is your problem[21:01:27] <tqh> Fanskapet ATI Mobility on a Pentium M laptop?[21:01:57] <Fanskapet> tqh, AMD64[21:03:06] <tqh> Fanskapet ah, write combining (or was it something else) doesn't work properly on Pentium M's for this driver, might be same for AMD. Zeta 1.0 worked right out of the box though.[21:04:07] <tqh> I have to use a modified driver under BeOS.[21:04:10] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[21:04:48] <Fanskapet> tqh, ahh okey.. well sounds like R1 is my chance then :9[21:05:34] *** xeD_ is now known as xeD[21:05:42] *** kma has quit IRC[21:06:25] <Fanskapet> hmm does mensys take VISA?[21:07:03] <DaaT> i'm sure they do[21:12:26] <Fanskapet> ouch.[21:12:39] <Fanskapet> 100.95 euro.. that will hurt in my small wallet[21:12:39] <Fanskapet> :D[21:13:33] *** Leo44 has quit IRC[21:14:29] *** thorn_ has joined #haiku[21:14:31] <Dr_evil> Fanskapet just download it from ftp://127.0.0.1/incoming/warez/zeta_1.0.img.rar[21:15:11] <Fanskapet> Dr_evil actually i have a imagefile :D not a ftp-server though :) *evil* :) wanted to try it out before i bought it :D[21:15:34] <Fanskapet> but I didn't succed in burning it on a DVD and didn't have a 90 minutes CD :)[21:15:40] <Fanskapet> so that plan failed :D[21:15:53] <Fanskapet> so i will gamle now instead :)[21:16:09] <Dr_evil> you probably have an invalid image, a 80 min disk will do[21:16:30] <Fanskapet> i just hope i got the same prob as everyone else :) else i will be 102.92 euro less richer :)[21:16:47] <Fanskapet> and live on bread and water for the rest of the month :D[21:17:03] <scanty> nobody forced you to buy it![21:17:54] <scanty> :)[21:18:06] <Fanskapet> im desperate :D[21:30:17] *** Nies has joined #haiku[21:31:15] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[21:32:24] *** lizdeika has quit IRC[21:33:42] * mmu_man just got his official R1 CD... no need for ftp://127.0.0.1 :)[21:34:44] <Fanskapet> :DD[21:35:03] <Fanskapet> mmu_man how long did it take to arrive?[21:35:15] <Fanskapet> so i can have some kind of timeframe planned :)[21:35:20] <MikeW> mmu_man: why the heck would you have it on your loopback adaptor?[21:35:32] <@mmu_man> 5:32 <@mmu_man> 5 days or so[21:35:44] <@mmu_man> but I wasn't ehre this week end[21:35:54] <@mmu_man> why not ? :p[21:36:20] <AnEvilYak> MikeW: because he can?[21:36:49] <MikeW> but loopback?[21:36:59] <AnEvilYak> MikeW: because he can? :P[21:37:02] <Fanskapet> 5 days? :D well where do you live? :D[21:37:07] <@mmu_man> france[21:37:12] <@mmu_man> sent from .nl[21:37:15] * tqh thinks it's redirected to yellowtab.com on his computer[21:37:15] <Fanskapet> hmm okey maybe that's fast then.[21:37:27] <@mmu_man> Total excl. VAT 0.00 EUR[21:37:31] <@mmu_man> VAT 0.00 EUR[21:37:34] <MikeW> would \\storage\ be a better idea or something?[21:37:35] <@mmu_man> Total incl. VAT 0.00 EUR[21:37:37] <@mmu_man> \o/[21:37:39] <Fanskapet> uh? :D[21:37:56] <AnEvilYak> Fanskapet: being an employee has its advantages.[21:37:56] <tqh> mmu_man oh you bought the cheap one :)[21:37:58] <Fanskapet> haha :) true :D[21:38:16] <Fanskapet> ah well..[21:38:33] <Fanskapet> hmm haven't got my Ubuntu CD's yet.. and i've ordered them like 1 1/2 month ago :D[21:38:59] <@mmu_man> Activation Key:[21:39:10] <@mmu_man> hmm no I shouldn't tell that :)[21:39:23] <AnEvilYak> haha.[21:39:25] <Fanskapet> :D[21:39:46] *** illissius- is now known as illissius[food][21:39:51] <MikeW> mmu_man: did thom pay for his review copy?[21:40:12] <@mmu_man> ?[21:40:16] <AnEvilYak> no, was a complimentary review copy sent to OSNews last I checked.[21:40:17] <MikeW> on osnews[21:40:37] <MikeW> for which he produced a glowing basic summary of zeta[21:41:19] <MikeW> Im surprised he didn't say, "zeta features a revamped bebutton with a fantastic new image. It's a testament to the graphic designers at YellowTab"[21:41:34] * fyysik wonders if there is any new developers among those 80 000 Zeta buyers. Rafael K. maybe?[21:41:47] <@mmu_man> you ?[21:41:48] <MikeW> and finish it off with "and in other news, yellowtab did something with the kernel"[21:41:49] <@mmu_man> </troll>[21:42:51] <fyysik> mmu_man - is new Network Settings app available outside that BigBagaboom Preference apps?[21:45:03] <@mmu_man> why would it ?[21:51:04] *** the_faulkenator has quit IRC[21:56:49] <fyysik> mmu_man - someone at OsNews mentioned that all preferences are still available as separate apps[21:56:58] <AnEvilYak> not quite.[21:57:04] <AnEvilYak> he means the old-style prefs menu is still there.[21:57:14] <fyysik> as people seems still unsatisfied with Big Preferences app[21:57:15] <AnEvilYak> but it just auto-jumps to the appropriate applet in the prefs app.[21:57:39] <@mmu_man> well you can call the pref app but it ends up calling a file associated with the pref app itself to preselect the tab[21:58:17] * fyysik wonders who is initial author of that app. Someone from Be Inc?[21:58:26] <AnEvilYak> jbq.[22:02:05] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[22:03:28] <@mmu_man> well I never saw jbq's stuff[22:06:41] *** TLF has quit IRC[22:07:22] *** thorn_ has quit IRC[22:09:02] *** Sil2100 has joined #haiku[22:09:12] <Sil2100> Hi[22:09:39] <Dr_evil> mmu_man there is an easy workaround for activation problems[22:09:59] <@mmu_man> not a reason to document it here :p[22:10:19] *** mmu_man sets mode: +o Dr_evil[22:10:22] *** valexey_ has quit IRC[22:11:37] <agentmumu> win 3[22:12:29] <fyysik> win 3?[22:12:51] * AnEvilYak thinks someone forgot a /[22:13:12] * mmu_man pets win 3.11[22:13:30] <fyysik> even MS don't[22:13:42] <fyysik> type in cmd in 2k or XP:[22:13:45] <fyysik> progman[22:13:53] <fyysik> and you will get 3.* shell[22:14:17] <@mmu_man> control.exe \o/[22:14:28] <@mmu_man> hmm does that thing still work in 2k ?[22:14:41] <fyysik> progman? even in XP[22:14:51] <fyysik> it is empty but you can populate it[22:14:57] <AnEvilYak> yep.[22:15:01] <@mmu_man> rundll32.exe shell32.dll,SHExitWindowsEx 6[22:15:03] <@mmu_man> that one[22:15:11] <fyysik> so getting iconified apps when minimized etc[22:15:25] <@mmu_man> control is just a hack that runs explorer int he fake folder[22:15:27] <AnEvilYak> no, in NT4+ it minimizes them to bars.[22:15:40] <fyysik> need filemanager from NT4 SP6 though[22:15:45] <@mmu_man> in 95 as well[22:15:58] <@mmu_man> unless the taskbar is running[22:16:14] <@mmu_man> is taskman.exe still there ?[22:16:28] <@mmu_man> someone try that rundll thing in 2K/XP ?[22:16:40] <AnEvilYak> I can, one sec.[22:17:01] <@mmu_man> fastest way I know to reboot from 98[22:17:14] <AnEvilYak> Error in shell32.dll Missing entry:SHExitWindowsEx[22:17:17] <@mmu_man> rem EWX_LOGOFF 0[22:17:18] <@mmu_man> rem EWX_SHUTDOWN 1[22:17:19] <@mmu_man> rem EWX_REBOOT 2[22:17:19] <@mmu_man> rem EWX_FORCE 4[22:17:20] <@mmu_man> rem EWX_POWEROFF 8[22:17:27] <@mmu_man> arf, shame[22:17:31] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[22:17:33] <@mmu_man> was really usefukl[22:17:41] <@Dr_evil> MikeW running ftp on loopback is good[22:17:45] * Dr_evil does so, too[22:18:38] <tqh> fyysik Have you seen that cbiesinger is updating our 'Building Firefox' wiki :)[22:21:39] <Fanskapet> hmm Haiku doesn't compile in Zeta? or am i wrong?[22:21:52] *** bs0 has quit IRC[22:21:58] <@Dr_evil> Fanskapet it does, after installing Oliver's compiler[22:22:15] <Fanskapet> ahh okey then i'l get that sorted out aswell :)[22:22:18] *** bs0 has joined #haiku[22:22:31] <Fanskapet> im a bit curius compiling Haiku after the recent articles :)[22:27:00] <fyysik> tqh - at least he was unsatisfied with that wiki's backend at bebits:)[22:27:32] <fyysik> "<biesi> fyysik_v, could wiki.bebits.com not use a better wiki software :-/"[22:27:50] <fyysik> he got his Zeta R1 copy, but no space for BFS atm[22:28:54] <tqh> fyysik I agree with him. I thought he'd want us to be more official though and have it at mozilla.org (which might be a good idea anyway).[22:30:46] * tqh wants there to be a BeGeistert soon[22:31:15] <fyysik> tqh - at least we can ask Koki to put updated BuildingGuide at mozilla.org[22:31:54] <McCall> tqh: where is that wiki?[22:32:12] <fyysik> http://wiki.bebits.com/page/BuildingFirebird[22:32:43] <McCall> Oh right - did someone not recently get access to the official Be site at mozilla.or[22:32:44] <McCall> g[22:36:07] <tqh> Koki has cvs-rights to those pages now, we just need to write updated material[22:37:41] <Koki> re[22:38:25] <Koki> I can update the building instructions if someone sends me the text.[22:41:09] <tqh> It needs a bit of update first.[22:42:09] <PulkoMandy> +++[22:42:24] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:43:52] <Koki> tqh: if you (or anybody else, for that matter) sends me the updated text, I will put it up online.[22:45:57] <tqh> Koki I probably have to write some on building instructions (mozconfig part at least)[22:49:24] *** MikeW has quit IRC[22:50:43] *** Ortyx has joined #haiku[22:50:51] <Ortyx> duuudes[22:54:32] *** fyysik has quit IRC[22:55:15] *** xeD has quit IRC[23:00:34] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[23:08:16] *** evdubs has quit IRC[23:08:17] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[23:08:21] *** Ortyx has left #haiku[23:13:44] *** axeld has joined #haiku[23:13:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[23:13:56] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[23:13:57] <phoudoin> hi axeld[23:14:03] <@axeld> Hi phoudoin![23:14:04] <phoudoin> hi all[23:14:17] <@Dr_evil> hi axeld[23:14:20] <@Dr_evil> hi phoudoin[23:15:35] <@mmu_man> plop[23:15:38] <phoudoin> axeld, you looked tired on PartyZip photos... How it was in final?[23:15:42] *** mmu_man sets mode: +o phoudoin[23:15:46] <@phoudoin> plop mmu_man[23:15:54] <@Dr_evil> phoudoin where are the photos?[23:16:22] <fyysik> where are partyZip photos? where is report?:)[23:16:38] <@axeld> phoudoin: very nice - I haven't slept too much before or there, but I didn't notice it was that visible :-)[23:16:56] * phoudoin is looking for a small gift to send his wife 400 km away until he can hand the real birthday gift...[23:17:15] <fyysik> small?[23:17:23] <@phoudoin> axeld: maybe it's just the red eyes effect only ;-)[23:17:54] <@phoudoin> fyysik: I said "until the real gift can be handed to her)[23:18:01] <@axeld> phoudoin: you already have the real gift? :-)[23:18:05] <@phoudoin> yep[23:18:38] <fyysik> phoudoin - this is smallest:))) http://www.picotux.com/[23:18:42] <@phoudoin> just looking for a cool funny "I'm away but with you yet" gift.[23:19:28] *** Sil2100 has quit IRC[23:19:34] <@phoudoin> fyysik: thanks, but she's not into geekyness. At all.[23:20:39] <fyysik> ahh. that's manufacturer mistake. Such tux must be well decorated and designed in addition:) In order to be gift for women too, hehe[23:21:17] <@phoudoin> eh eh[23:21:37] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:23:31] <@phoudoin> Dr_evil: PartyZip photos are there: http://www.iltuosistema.it/[23:24:11] <@phoudoin> BTW, I guess for R2 some notification_server or like is planned...[23:24:20] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[23:24:48] <@mmu_man> phoudoin I've been having ideas on something like that[23:25:02] <@mmu_man> an> a mix of crond and queries...[23:26:21] <@phoudoin> Why BView don't have a ConvertToWindow() ?[23:26:45] <@mmu_man> because it doesn't always have a Window()[23:26:49] <@mmu_man> ?[23:27:08] <@phoudoin> That's a good point ;-)[23:28:48] <@mmu_man> an> an even_server would make automounter quite trivial[23:30:34] <@axeld> mmu_man: the kernel does that in Haiku, anyway :-)[23:30:43] <@phoudoin> it would mount a volumen if system_time() is even?[23:30:50] <@mmu_man> axeld just an example :p[23:30:52] <@phoudoin> :-p[23:31:49] <@phoudoin> axeld: how it would be hard to add in the future support for Spotlight-like importers to Haiku?[23:32:41] <@axeld> phoudoin: to make them useful, we would a) need to replace BFS with something else (or the index part, at least), or b) have userland databases in addition to the BFS search facility[23:32:52] <@phoudoin> (kernel-) addons that extract meta-data (and eventually also content for full text search) from vfs nodes when they changes...[23:32:52] <@mmu_man> yeah...[23:32:53] <@axeld> phoudoin: but the latter would be pretty simple[23:33:01] <@mmu_man> we'll need searching for not only bfs anyway[23:33:16] <@axeld> phoudoin: I'm actually thinking about writing such thing for BeOS/Haiku[23:33:52] <@mmu_man> axeld I thought about having registrar call a new method in translator addons, like Index()[23:34:09] <@mmu_man> to extract metadata from new/updated files[23:34:22] <@phoudoin> the power point here seems to use vfs hooks/notification to launch a chain of addons to check & extract when data changes, first, no?[23:34:33] <@mmu_man> yep[23:34:48] <@mmu_man> prob is we can't get registrar to monitor every file[23:34:50] <@phoudoin> or could we use current node_monitor for that?[23:35:05] <@phoudoin> oh, so node_monitor is out.[23:35:08] <@axeld> mmu_man: in Haiku, this will be possible[23:35:16] <@mmu_man> or change the node monitor to do that[23:35:20] <@axeld> phoudoin: but also, a "last recently" query would work[23:35:23] <@phoudoin> oh, so node_monitor is out... for R5.[23:35:37] <@mmu_man> axeld in zeta as well :p[23:35:54] *** snes_rocks has joined #haiku[23:36:00] <@mmu_man> actually I thought about having an API in the kernel to register modules to get notifications from it[23:36:12] <@mmu_man> someone asked for a networked fs[23:37:09] * Koki thinks mmu_man is talking about netBFS by momoziro[23:37:10] <@phoudoin> btw, someone in Japan work on a NetBFS... don't have the url here... yet.[23:37:23] <Koki> hold on phoudoin[23:37:24] <@mmu_man> Koki yep :)[23:37:25] <@phoudoin> Koki found it first![23:37:58] <@axeld> mmu_man: yes, I want to do something similar for Haiku, but it's not done yet, either[23:38:21] <Koki> phoudoin, downlod from here > http://momoziro.ath.cx/archive/netbfs/[23:38:38] <@phoudoin> Koki: do you tested it already?[23:39:36] *** __nitro__ has joined #haiku[23:39:42] <__nitro__> hi[23:39:48] <Koki> I tested it back in March. It did work, but all you could do at that point in time is mount remote volumes and view files/folders.[23:39:52] <@axeld> Hey __nitro__!![23:39:59] <__nitro__> hi axeld ;)[23:40:06] <@axeld> __nitro__: had a good way home?[23:40:10] * phoudoin hummm hummm hummm "Ode to Joy"[23:40:20] <__nitro__> yes, and you'[23:40:57] *** lemon_ has joined #haiku[23:41:01] <@axeld> __nitro__: yes, although I left the light on, so the battery was empty in my car :-)[23:41:37] <__nitro__> oops[23:41:43] <@phoudoin> You travelled from Germany to Spain in car for PartyZip?![23:41:53] <@phoudoin> Woa.[23:42:13] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[23:42:23] <snes_rocks> question[23:42:26] <snes_rocks> i thought that beos supported drop in modules for sound decoding, didn't it?[23:42:30] <snes_rocks> as in, there is a directory where you just stick a module for a sound format, and everything now supports that new sound format?[23:42:31] <__nitro__> no, from Girona to Monzon (300 kms), phoudoin[23:42:53] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[23:42:54] <snes_rocks> why then, on bebits, am i seeing all these plugins for the various media players on beos to support various media formats?[23:43:27] <@phoudoin> snes_rocks: because Be Inc. never released media codec API...[23:43:28] <@mmu_man> snes_rocks cause the API for the Media Kit decoders was never published by Be[23:43:40] <snes_rocks> ok[23:43:45] <@mmu_man> so ppl resorted to only do one for their prefered media player using the player's API[23:44:03] <snes_rocks> and i heard that dano stuffs have the api with them?[23:44:05] <@phoudoin> Haiku's media kit won't have this issue :-)[23:44:09] <snes_rocks> will that be supported with r1?[23:44:13] <@mmu_man> hopefully :)[23:44:24] <snes_rocks> woohoo![23:44:31] <snes_rocks> that's one of the big major bigs i see with beos[23:44:33] <@mmu_man> snes_rocks don't think dano has the header in[23:45:08] <snes_rocks> monkey audio has a detractor, which said is supported by dano and the beta mediakit[23:45:26] <CIA-6> phoudoin * r13755 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Minor space adjustment between CPU type and speed line.[23:46:50] <@mmu_man> snes_rocks yeah that's another (closed) API introduced by dano[23:48:00] <snes_rocks> if i could do c++, i would try to help[23:48:08] <snes_rocks> but visual basic doesn't help much at all outside of windows[23:48:56] <@mmu_man> n8[23:49:24] <@phoudoin> funny, if nobody run an INQUIRY, no CD device is found on my system![23:49:39] <@phoudoin> Something is wrong on my IDE setup, I guess...[23:50:15] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:51:40] <__nitro__> cya[23:52:14] *** __nitro__ has quit IRC[23:56:09] <@phoudoin> This Logithech MX700 is nice, damned!