July 17, 2005 
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July 17, 2005 [00:04:27] *** bs0 has quit IRC[00:04:27] *** bephilip is now known as bs0[00:08:55] *** valexey_ has joined #haiku[00:11:25] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[00:17:20] *** dbraussen has joined #haiku[00:22:04] *** dbraussen has left #haiku[00:22:13] *** NathanW has joined #haiku[00:25:31] *** stippi has joined #haiku[00:27:45] *** valexey_ has quit IRC[00:28:30] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[00:28:37] <Dr_Evil> re[00:30:19] <tic> Hi Dr_Evil[00:32:53] *** valexey has quit IRC[00:36:01] *** NathanW has quit IRC[00:37:17] <PulkoMandy> +++[00:37:24] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[00:46:28] *** stippi has quit IRC[00:49:05] *** stippi has joined #haiku[00:49:29] <CIA-6> stippi * r13699 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/SystemPalette.cpp: forgot to remove debug output[00:50:29] <CIA-6> stippi * r13700 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (ServerScreen.cpp ServerScreen.h): _FindMode is now more robust and really tries everything it can to find a mode...[00:50:55] <CIA-6> stippi * r13701 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/app_server.rdef: added icons needed for BAlerts[00:52:02] <agentmumu> stippi: does the app_server already support modes other than 32bit?[00:52:29] <stippi> agentmumu: just wait a sec, will ya?[00:52:48] <CIA-6> stippi * r13702 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/drawing/ (HWInterface.cpp HWInterface.h):[00:52:48] <CIA-6> tried to find the bug that causes the wrong area underneath the software cursor[00:52:48] <CIA-6> to be restored, but failed, the only accomplishment is that the cursor is now[00:52:48] <CIA-6> showing right from the beginning, not only after one moves the mouse[00:53:32] <agentmumu> stippi: ok :)[00:54:37] <CIA-6> stippi * r13703 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/drawing/ (AccelerantHWInterface.cpp AccelerantHWInterface.h):[00:54:37] <CIA-6> fall back to double buffered mode was already workingif mode was not 32-bit,[00:54:37] <CIA-6> only that IsDoubleBuffered() was not implemented, so that[00:54:37] <CIA-6> HWInterface::DrawingBuffer() returned the front buffer, which had the non-32-bit[00:54:37] <CIA-6> format... so this fixes non-32 bit modes, IAW, Vesa is working now[00:54:42] <stippi> there you go[00:54:44] <stippi> :-)[00:55:18] <agentmumu> stippi: hehe great :)[00:55:27] <agentmumu> qemu should work now[00:55:53] <stippi> just confirmed, I removed my radeon.driver and accelerant, and I had an ugly looking B_CMAP8 screen.[00:56:27] <stippi> I had this running better, I must do something wrong with the color index look up now. The colors seem shifted.[00:56:36] <stippi> But that's not a big deal right now...[00:56:38] <Dr_Evil> stippi would you like to fix the overlay RenderSurface.cpp implementation for my DVB app at one day?[00:57:04] <stippi> Dr_Evil: Well, I have some experience from VLC and eXposer.[00:57:14] <stippi> So, maybe I can help.[00:57:20] <stippi> What is the problem with it?[00:57:34] <stippi> Oh, wait[00:57:39] <Dr_Evil> ok, it doesn't seem to work, but there are many other bugs to fix first[00:57:44] *** Methe has quit IRC[00:57:56] <Dr_Evil> perhaps when bitmap mode is working better[00:58:02] <stippi> I need to phone my girlfriend... I just told her I would call her... see you in an hour... :-)[00:58:12] <agentmumu> stippi: did you just delete the radeon driver to not recompile desktop.cpp with non 32 bit or does only vesa work with non 32 bit?[00:58:22] <Dr_Evil> it's not important, see you tomorrow[00:58:27] <stippi> sure[00:58:48] <stippi> agentmumu: I just deleted that to see if vesa is now working, since that was a sure way to reproduce the crash[00:59:03] <agentmumu> ic[00:59:04] <stippi> I suspect the radeon non-32 bit modes work just the same (fine)[00:59:18] <stippi> ok[00:59:19] <stippi> see you[01:04:18] *** Betabel has joined #haiku[01:11:02] *** bs0 has quit IRC[01:15:42] *** lemon_ has joined #haiku[01:16:45] *** scanty has quit IRC[01:23:09] *** jjkola has quit IRC[01:32:05] *** BetaMax has quit IRC[01:32:05] *** Betabel is now known as BetaMax[01:34:37] <CIA-6> stippi * r13704 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/drawing/ViewHWInterface.cpp: some useful leftovers from debugging, use new with nothrow for it to make sense to test the returned pointer[01:38:24] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13705 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/team.c: It's considered rude to try killing the kernel team.[01:43:38] *** slaad has joined #haiku[01:43:53] <CIA-6> stippi * r13706 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ServerScreen.cpp: fixed my previous commit, it helps to read the diffs again... but this fallback needs to move somewhere else, as commented by the TODO[01:48:14] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13707 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/TRoster.cpp: Also consider the kernel team a "vital system app" that deserves not to be killed. Shutdown now works under qemu, although even shutdown reboots...[01:56:25] <Koki> agentmumu, new images coming?[01:56:34] <agentmumu> Koki: yes in a minute :)[01:56:37] <agentmumu> or 20[01:56:38] <agentmumu> hehe[01:56:42] <Koki> cool[01:56:53] <stippi> still svn updating here...[01:57:21] <agentmumu> stippi: oh, then I'll wait can you tell me when you are finished?[01:57:45] <stippi> you got me wrong...[01:57:52] <stippi> my stuff is all in[01:57:57] <agentmumu> ah ok, perfect :)[01:57:59] <stippi> I just wanted Ingos stuff[01:58:17] <stippi> everyone considers rebooting to be failproof, but unfortunately, my system just freezes...[01:58:24] <stippi> even on "reboot" in KDL[01:58:30] <stippi> ok[01:58:34] <stippi> need to compile[01:58:53] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13708 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/ShutdownProcess.cpp: Removed forced debug output. Verified: _kern_shutdown(reboot = false) reboots too in qemu.[02:01:15] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[02:01:21] <stippi> bye all![02:01:29] <Koki> bye stippi![02:01:41] *** stippi has quit IRC[02:09:32] *** lemon_ has quit IRC[02:15:37] <agentmumu> Koki: i'll start uploading them in about 5 minutes, you can download them if they reached 19mb of size[02:15:52] <agentmumu> but I'll go bed now...[02:15:58] <agentmumu> http://www.schmidp.com/blog/index.php?/archives/96-New-Haiku-Images..html[02:23:53] *** TLF has quit IRC[02:27:25] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13709 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/ (Jamfile debug/ debug/Jamfile debug/crashing_app.cpp): Added a crashing test app. Food for the debug server and gdb. :-)[02:28:59] *** bonefish has quit IRC[02:39:02] *** Leo42 has quit IRC[02:45:06] *** Beet has joined #haiku[02:52:07] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[02:56:38] <Koki> thanks agentmumu![03:02:06] *** BetaMax has quit IRC[03:02:06] *** Beet is now known as BetaMax[03:03:19] *** Koki has quit IRC[03:05:01] *** Lt_Henry has joined #haiku[03:11:46] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:21:46] *** fyysik has quit IRC[03:32:42] *** FireGlacial has joined #haiku[03:35:14] *** Azalyn has quit IRC[04:09:07] *** DC1 has joined #haiku[04:17:54] *** Azalyn has joined #haiku[04:19:51] *** Azalyn has quit IRC[04:27:35] *** FireGlacial has left #haiku[04:27:39] *** FireGlacial has joined #haiku[04:37:00] *** Azalyn has joined #haiku[04:47:15] *** FireGlacial has quit IRC[04:47:53] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[05:05:42] <SiCuTDeUx> hello![05:06:25] <SiCuTDeUx> where can i find a list of all de commands in beshare[05:17:29] *** the_faulkenator has joined #haiku[05:22:56] *** scanty has joined #haiku[05:38:58] *** Lt_Henry has quit IRC[05:39:23] *** arbiter_dev has joined #haiku[05:46:37] * SiCuTDeUx is away: No estoy! - Not Here![05:51:12] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[05:52:38] *** Betabel has joined #haiku[05:55:07] *** Betabel has quit IRC[05:55:54] *** Betabel has joined #haiku[06:08:06] *** BetaMax has quit IRC[06:16:08] *** arbiter_dev has quit IRC[06:23:12] *** mmadia has quit IRC[06:41:35] *** petterhj has quit IRC[07:04:23] *** Koki has joined #haiku[07:05:54] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[07:07:15] *** Koki has quit IRC[07:14:44] *** DC1 has quit IRC[07:22:25] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[07:24:11] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[07:33:54] *** slaad has quit IRC[07:52:28] *** thies has quit IRC[07:54:16] *** arbiter_dev has joined #haiku[07:54:24] *** the_faulkenator has quit IRC[07:56:54] *** underthumb has joined #haiku[08:08:13] *** Koki has joined #haiku[08:11:40] *** Koki has quit IRC[08:11:51] *** thies has joined #haiku[08:23:29] *** underthumb has quit IRC[08:27:01] *** lantis has joined #haiku[08:56:05] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[08:56:53] <miqlas> Re![08:57:05] <lantis> wb[09:01:17] *** bs0 has joined #haiku[09:17:44] *** Betabel has quit IRC[09:37:12] *** miqlas has quit IRC[09:40:03] *** arbiter_dev has quit IRC[10:11:29] *** Euver has joined #haiku[10:24:22] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:26:32] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[10:29:37] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[10:31:45] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[10:50:03] *** xeD has joined #haiku[10:50:58] *** xeD has quit IRC[11:01:45] *** stippi has joined #haiku[11:04:22] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[11:04:46] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[11:08:17] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:13:01] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:21:22] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[11:23:10] <CIA-6> stippi * r13710 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/ (3 files in 3 dirs): added icons[11:24:04] *** Mazon is now known as mazon[11:24:04] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[11:26:17] *** jjkola has joined #haiku[11:27:52] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[11:28:53] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[11:30:31] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[11:34:10] <CIA-6> stippi * r13711 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/apps/miniterminal/ (Jamfile MiniTerminal.rdef): MiniTerminal deserves at least a mini icon, but I've given it a large one too[11:48:53] *** TLF has joined #haiku[11:51:36] *** tqh has joined #haiku[11:52:08] *** gg has joined #haiku[11:54:30] *** linuxfreak_ has joined #haiku[11:54:36] <linuxfreak_> hi[11:54:54] <jjkola> hello[11:55:34] <tic> getting more and more people in here[11:55:51] <tic> will be fun when the first R1-beta hits the street and we'll be slashdotted. :)[11:56:09] <gg> hi[11:56:23] *** stippi has quit IRC[11:57:04] <linuxfreak_> when is the release date?[11:57:10] <tic> there is none[11:57:12] <[Beta]> There isnt one set.[11:57:13] <linuxfreak_> ok[11:57:19] <tic> When It's Done(tm)[11:57:32] <tic> ... there's really no hurry... ;)[11:57:46] <[Beta]> alpha is still a way off, considering.[11:57:52] <tic> indeed.[11:58:04] <tic> but it's getting there![11:58:04] <linuxfreak_> inuxfreak_> i am thinking about helping develop[11:58:09] <tic> great![11:58:22] <tic> you need to install BeOS Release 5 for now, as it won't build in Linux just yet.[11:58:24] * [Beta] cant wait for the networking core to be on its feet.[12:00:16] <linuxfreak_> inuxfreak_> i am currently downloading BeOS Max[12:00:23] <tic> okay, that should work.[12:00:33] <tic> and now, I'm on my way to install ZETA R1. bye guys![12:00:34] *** tic has quit IRC[12:00:35] <linuxfreak_> ah, it just finished :)[12:01:53] *** arbiter_dev has joined #haiku[12:09:37] <Procton> IIRC R5 will work in qemu, won't it?[12:20:27] *** bs0 has quit IRC[12:22:05] *** gg has quit IRC[12:28:06] *** Leo42 has joined #haiku[12:28:50] *** Euver has quit IRC[12:33:57] *** m_eiman has joined #haiku[12:49:21] *** arbiter_dev has quit IRC[12:49:37] *** illissius has joined #haiku[12:51:00] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[13:08:16] <CIA-6> stippi * r13712 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/ (BarApp.cpp BarApp.h BeMenu.cpp Jamfile): The Deskbar can now shutdown or reboot Haiku, but we should have a way to shutdown asynchronously, see TODO[13:15:14] *** tic has joined #haiku[13:19:43] <tic> ZETA is schweet.[13:20:11] <Teknomancer> R1 is nice...[13:20:16] <Teknomancer> tho i miss scrollable tabs :([13:20:33] <Teknomancer> will Haiku have scrolling window tabs ?/[13:20:36] <tic> I never really used them anyway[13:20:39] <Teknomancer> or is it considered not worth the trouble[13:20:56] * tic reverts to the R5 decor..[13:20:58] <Teknomancer> tic really? they are so darn useful.. i club chat apps into one workspace and spread out the tabs[13:21:00] <tic> ahh, much better[13:21:12] <Teknomancer> can't do that with zeta...[13:21:43] <tic> Teknomancer, 2 flat monitors, each with 1280x1024, and 16 workspaces. Haven't found a need yet.[13:22:03] <Teknomancer> multiple monitors?[13:22:04] <Teknomancer> hmm[13:22:07] <Teknomancer> never used one of them[13:22:16] <tic> yeah, one wide desktop (2560x1024([13:22:17] <tic> )[13:22:35] <Teknomancer> it would be horrible to have a big split in the middle ;-P[13:22:59] <tic> not really. I don't have overlapping windows, simply.[13:23:07] <Teknomancer> oh well[13:23:13] <Teknomancer> guess i'll never know till i use them[13:23:19] <tic> indeed.[13:23:36] <tic> it's really nice to fit six Eddie windows next to each other :)[13:23:46] *** BiPolar has joined #haiku[13:23:52] <Teknomancer> hehe[13:23:53] <Teknomancer> BiPolar![13:23:54] <tic> (or whatever turns you on)[13:24:02] <BiPolar> hello Teknomancer![13:24:29] <Teknomancer> BiPolar do u have zeta ?[13:24:57] <BiPolar> noup. no money for that... Exp/Dano is enough?[13:25:18] <tic> heh, "Unknown CPU running at 2670 mhz"[13:25:22] * tic files a buf[13:25:23] <tic> g[13:25:53] * BiPolar thinks anything about 1000 MHz is black magic.[13:26:03] <Teknomancer> ah mine is correct[13:26:09] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[13:26:12] <Teknomancer> 1667 Mhz[13:26:30] <Teknomancer> though it doesn't say AMD XP 2600+[13:26:37] * BiPolar stares at his lovely K7@900[13:26:37] <Teknomancer> it says revision 000000681 :)[13:26:41] <tic> I want it to say "Celeron D" :)[13:26:54] <Teknomancer> BiPolar i have a AMD K6-2 450 Mhz which I use to test the apps I code.[13:26:59] <Teknomancer> slower systems are better for testing an app.[13:27:15] <BiPolar> 34 Celcius... guess what season is down here :-P[13:27:30] <BiPolar> Teknomancer: right![13:27:55] <Teknomancer> BiPolar summer... but 34 isn't that hot.[13:28:01] <Teknomancer> we touched 42 here last week[13:28:08] <Teknomancer> the week before actually.[13:28:10] <BiPolar> Teknomancer: all devs should test their apps in something ~ a PII 300 at least.[13:28:34] <tic> BiPolar, agreed.[13:28:36] <Teknomancer> BiPolar unless they are good enough to predict really how fast the code is.[13:28:44] <BiPolar> Teknomancer: blood freezing winter down here... the bloody K7 is cold! :-P[13:28:47] *** Methe has joined #haiku[13:28:50] <Teknomancer> some super coding guru like BGA or Axel might.[13:28:58] <Teknomancer> ;-P[13:30:18] * BiPolar used BeOS on a K5@100 with 16 MB of ram, 640 MB of HD and A VESA 1.2 video card. That teachs you some good leasons about BeOS responsiveness.[13:31:32] <BiPolar> it was incredibly smooth, save the video, of course (good UniVBE saved me :-P)[13:31:45] <tic> My main system for a long time was a iP166. 32M, R4. Was a bit slow when running a couple N+, Vision and SoundPlay in a few workspaces :)[13:32:05] <BiPolar> heh.[13:32:53] <BiPolar> I was net deprived till 2002, so I have little use for BeOS in the 2000, sadly.[13:34:31] <tic> ah.[13:34:55] <tic> hm... I have been using BeOS for six and a half years now :)[13:35:23] <tic> okay, I should move my configuration over to ZETA now....[13:35:48] * BiPolar 's being using it everyday since 8-2002 :-)[13:35:51] <BiPolar> ok. mail sent. have to leave. Later tic and Teknomancer![13:36:17] *** BiPolar has quit IRC[13:36:18] <tic> ciao[13:37:19] <Teknomancer> one cool think about zeta is that ic can mount ReiserFS[13:37:31] <Teknomancer> dunno where to get that add-on for beos[13:37:36] <Teknomancer> or whether there exists one[13:39:05] <Methe> yes there is[13:39:27] <Methe> http://www.bebits.com/app/3214[13:47:12] <Teknomancer> thanks[14:17:06] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[14:17:40] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[14:22:22] *** fanskapet has joined #haiku[14:23:24] <tic> hi fanskapet.[14:23:30] <tic> fanskapet, any luck yet_[14:23:31] <tic> ?[14:23:40] <fanskapet> nah..[14:23:58] <fanskapet> i'l by that damned thing and hope that it will work :/[14:24:02] <tic> heh.[14:24:14] <tic> otherwise you can file bugs at them! :)[14:24:20] <fanskapet> will cost me much money though if it's not working[14:24:54] *** fanskapet_ has joined #haiku[14:25:32] <fanskapet_> tic, i have one on their bugzilla i think[14:25:36] <fanskapet_> well time to get some food[14:28:29] *** slaad has joined #haiku[14:30:21] <tic> slaaaaadster[14:31:01] <slaad> ticcie![14:32:34] <tic> sup?[14:33:00] * tic is temporarily Sad Orange.[14:33:26] *** scanty has quit IRC[14:33:53] <slaad> How so?[14:34:36] <tic> the (ex) gf and such.[14:34:38] <tic> brb[14:34:39] *** tic has quit IRC[14:40:31] *** fanskapet has quit IRC[14:41:28] <fanskapet_> :)[14:45:36] *** m_eiman is now known as m_dinner[14:48:48] *** fanskapet_ has quit IRC[14:52:39] *** tic has joined #haiku[14:54:18] *** tic has quit IRC[14:54:54] <CIA-6> axeld * r13713 /haiku/trunk/src/system/runtime_loader/rldelf.c: Now uses the TO_PAGE_SIZE() macro already defined to round the debug area to a page size multiple.[14:56:25] *** lantis has left #haiku[15:01:52] *** scanty has joined #haiku[15:06:35] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[15:15:31] *** tic has joined #haiku[15:18:11] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[15:23:17] *** jjkola has quit IRC[15:27:29] *** bs0 has joined #haiku[15:28:24] <CIA-6> axeld * r13714 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_cpu.c:[15:28:24] <CIA-6> No longer reboots when a shutdown was requested - this gives the registrar[15:28:24] <CIA-6> the opportunity to show the "System is now ready to reboot" alert.[15:30:32] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[15:32:33] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[15:38:56] *** Leo42 has quit IRC[15:42:59] *** mahlzeit has joined #haiku[15:42:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mahlzeit[15:46:12] *** m_dinner has quit IRC[16:11:07] *** slaad has quit IRC[16:16:40] *** kma has quit IRC[16:30:59] *** ablyss has quit IRC[16:35:38] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[16:35:50] *** Leo42 has joined #haiku[16:40:11] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[16:46:42] <fyysik> http://beos.spb.ru/fyysik/aword-BeOS-2.2.8-0.jpg[16:47:15] <[Beta]> :O[16:47:27] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[16:48:06] *** petterhj has quit IRC[16:48:44] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[16:49:06] <fyysik> DaaT - http://beos.spb.ru/fyysik/aword-BeOS-2.2.8-0.jpg[16:50:05] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[16:50:25] <DaaT> fyysik, cool[16:50:33] <DaaT> how well does it run?[16:51:31] <fyysik> that's very first try of porting. BeOS code was removed from 2.* tree[16:51:33] <McCall> impressive![16:51:46] <[Beta]> damn.[16:52:11] <fyysik> so, man started from ground up using some older AbiWord BeOS hooks[16:52:21] <fyysik> some days ago[16:52:25] <DaaT> who was it, 3deyes?[16:52:28] <fyysik> no[16:52:56] <fyysik> another man - same who published bit fixed (not crashing on menus etc) version of 1.1[16:53:08] <DaaT> rings a bell[16:53:12] <fyysik> his nickname is "knorr"[16:53:16] <DaaT> ah[16:53:25] <Leo42> is it running on haiku or beos ?[16:53:28] <fyysik> ok, away for 10 minutes[16:53:37] <[Beta]> beos, obviously.[16:53:49] <Leo42> ok[17:03:59] <fyysik> Leo42 - BeOS atm[17:05:59] <Leo42> oky[17:07:04] <fyysik> http://www.abiword.nm.ru/gluckalo-alpha2.zip - this is 1.01 fixed version which should be installed over version from bezip.de (as it is only binary)[17:07:23] <fyysik> 2.* is still unavailable for public download[17:09:31] *** illissius- has joined #haiku[17:11:04] *** fyysik has quit IRC[17:18:00] *** illissius has quit IRC[17:28:47] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[17:30:42] *** flag_ has quit IRC[17:33:19] *** flag_ has joined #haiku[17:48:48] *** [jmc] has joined #haiku[17:49:36] *** [jmc] has quit IRC[17:58:48] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[17:59:08] *** fyysik has quit IRC[18:03:35] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[18:04:11] <SiCuTDeUx> hi![18:04:42] <CIA-6> rudolfc * r13715 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/via/ (GetTimingConstraints.c engine/crtc.c):[18:04:42] <CIA-6> completed VIA CRTC timing programming. Updated internal constraints check,[18:04:42] <CIA-6> gettimingconstraints hook, and programming the crtc1. resolution can now be[18:04:42] <CIA-6> switched, but still excluding refresh programming (ie 640 to 800 switch turns[18:04:42] <CIA-6> off screen, but 800 to 640 switch just increases refresh from 60 to about 90 Hz[18:04:42] <CIA-6> (and apart from that works. :)[18:06:50] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[18:06:56] <CIA-6> rudolfc * r13716 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/graphics/via/macros.h: updated register defines with info obtained from unichrome.sf.net.[18:11:39] <CIA-6> axeld * r13717 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ScreenManager.cpp: Fixed a stupid bug in ReleaseScreen(); caused an endless loop.[18:14:10] <CIA-6> axeld * r13718 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/InterfaceDefs.cpp:[18:14:11] <CIA-6> Implemented the focus follows mouse stuff over the standard mouse mode functions; the other functions look deprecated to me.[18:14:11] <CIA-6> Added a comment to load_menu_settings() - I think that stuff should be moved into the server.[18:14:32] <[Beta]> Has Rudolf put his 3d driver on hold? :o[18:15:42] <[Beta]> no biggie if he has, considering he's making a VIA driver :)[18:18:41] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[18:20:35] *** jjkola has joined #haiku[18:22:10] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[18:22:46] *** NathanW has joined #haiku[18:26:00] <CIA-6> axeld * r13719 /haiku/trunk/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[18:26:01] <CIA-6> Extracted the settings stuff from the Desktop class. If you now need to access[18:26:01] <CIA-6> the desktop's settings, you have to do something like this:[18:26:01] <CIA-6> DesktopSettings settings(desktop);[18:26:01] <CIA-6> settings.SetMouseMode(mode);[18:26:01] <CIA-6> The advantage of this is that this object is fully locked, and cannot lead to[18:26:03] <CIA-6> corrupted settings anymore. Also, the settings will stay the same until you[18:28:13] *** bonefish has joined #haiku[18:28:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o bonefish[18:28:17] <@bonefish> Yo![18:28:39] <tic> yo bonefish![18:28:41] <NathanW> hi bonefish[18:31:38] <CIA-6> rudolfc * r13720 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/via/ (README.html UPDATE.html): updated documentation to reflect current status.[18:35:02] *** ChrisK077 has joined #haiku[18:35:08] <NathanW> It would be nice to have an Intel driver...[18:36:26] <CIA-6> rudolfc * r13721 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/via/README.html: updated documentation to reflect current status. (forgot rather important remark.)[18:37:25] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13722 /haiku/trunk/ (8 files in 7 dirs):[18:37:26] <CIA-6> Added a boolean "synchronous" parameter to BRoster::Shutdown(). Used in the[18:37:26] <CIA-6> Deskbar to initiate the shutdown process asynchronously. Couldn't test it,[18:37:26] <CIA-6> because opening the Be menu doesn't work:[18:37:26] <CIA-6> ***PANIC: BW: Can't find view with ID: 19 !***[18:40:45] <MikeW> NathanW: an intel extreme driver?[18:40:51] <NathanW> yeah[18:40:56] <MikeW> isn't MYOB working on one?[18:41:05] <NathanW> he gave up, as far as I know[18:41:30] <MikeW> :/[18:42:13] <Procton> driver programming is not for the impatient.[18:42:31] <NathanW> heh[18:42:35] <NathanW> It's true[18:44:14] <Procton> I've only worked with simple drivers and even for that you need to be really patient.[18:45:14] <NathanW> yeah, because the little bugs matter more[18:45:40] <Procton> indeed they do.[18:45:49] <NathanW> The only experience I have is porting the Broadcom 440x and 57xx drivers from Linux, so I didn't even need to read datasheets[18:45:58] <Procton> same here.[18:46:03] <NathanW> and even that took weeks[18:46:17] <MikeW> sounds like hell[18:46:40] <NathanW> well, the 440x driver did[18:46:52] <NathanW> the 570x took 6 months, but I had to develop that by e-mail[18:47:04] <NathanW> since I don't have the hardware, which makes things way more fun :)[18:47:05] <Procton> I had to port a pcmcia netcard driver to beos and that took weeks too.[18:47:12] <Procton> ouch.[18:47:26] *** bs0 has quit IRC[18:47:45] <Procton> I ported a netcard driver to ateos before that though. It was less difficult.[18:48:10] <NathanW> why was it less difficult?[18:48:28] <Procton> less constraints on what you can do in the interrupt handler.[18:48:43] <NathanW> ah, ok[18:48:45] <Procton> it is also a lot more like linux.[18:49:00] <Procton> I more or less only had to do a netdriver wrapper.[18:49:16] <NathanW> yeah[18:49:24] *** bs0 has joined #haiku[18:49:54] <NathanW> well, that's more or less what I had to do -- Broadcom's driver had an OS abstraction thing so they could use the same code on Linux/Windows/Solaris[18:50:04] <Procton> nice.[18:50:09] <NathanW> Yeah[18:50:11] <NathanW> It was nice[18:50:28] <Procton> I had to really rework the driver I ported.[18:50:44] <NathanW> that sounds painful[18:50:47] <NathanW> which driver was it?[18:50:48] <Procton> it was.[18:50:59] <Procton> If only I can remember.. tulip IIRC.[18:51:10] <NathanW> huh[18:51:22] <NathanW> We really need a new PCI tulip driver[18:51:30] <Procton> indeed.[18:51:36] <Procton> with pcmcia support.[18:52:00] <NathanW> yeah[18:52:09] <NathanW> Haiku also needs PCMCIA in general[18:52:14] <Procton> I have not posted it yet though, eventhough it was about 2 years, or more, ago I ported it.[18:52:35] <NathanW> The two big holes in our wired NIC support are tulip and eepro100[18:52:50] <Procton> the code is horrible. I had to play around too much to get it to work, and now it is in a state where I'm not sure what I've changed to make it work.[18:52:56] <NathanW> You should probably send it to somene :P[18:52:58] <NathanW> ah[18:53:21] <Procton> but yeah... I guess I should send it to someone.[18:53:22] <tic> Procton, use source control![18:54:02] <Procton> tic: I always do... but I only commit things that work, so...[18:54:11] <Procton> source control can only help to a certain degree.[18:54:15] <tic> so diff it against the last version. ;)[18:54:18] <NathanW> heh[18:54:23] <tic> commit more often![18:54:39] *** petterhj has quit IRC[18:54:50] <Procton> I commit when things work.[18:55:36] <jjkola> you can make a branch where you do all the dirty work and then commit the working version to trunk[18:55:36] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:55:43] <Procton> I'd rather make sure that what is committed works, otherwise it will be pure h**l for others to work with you.[18:55:58] <Procton> jjkola: yup... that's the best way to go.[18:56:02] <[Beta]> but thats more than nothing to work with, Procton :)[18:56:40] <[Beta]> why not work from a dev branch in the haiku svn? i'm sure they'd appreciate it.[18:56:53] <Procton> with what?[19:01:36] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[19:06:15] <NathanW> yeah[19:06:21] <NathanW> we really do need PCMCIA support[19:06:37] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[19:08:09] * Procton sighs.[19:08:22] <Procton> If only a day would consist of 36 hours.[19:08:37] <NathanW> yeah[19:09:05] <tic> get off IRC and you'll at least 2 hours for free :P[19:09:28] <Procton> talk to me often on IRC nowadays?[19:09:45] <tic> hey, don't be so bitter :)[19:10:34] <Procton> that's all the fun I can get nowadays. ;)[19:11:11] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[19:11:31] <NathanW> hi fyysik[19:11:51] <fyysik> hi NathanW[19:12:23] *** illissius- is now known as illissius[19:12:46] <Procton> NathanW: unfortunately I don't know much about pcmcia. I only added pcmcia support to the netdriver, using current beos modules.[19:14:11] <NathanW> yeah[19:14:26] <NathanW> Do many Haiku devs even have laptops?[19:14:50] <NathanW> I know I don't...[19:15:07] *** TLF has quit IRC[19:16:06] <@bonefish> NathanW: I have one. My main Haiku development machine BTW.[19:16:18] <NathanW> really? oh, good[19:17:01] *** NathanW has quit IRC[19:25:52] *** flag has joined #haiku[19:32:00] *** flag_ has quit IRC[19:35:51] <McCall> agh....[19:35:54] <McCall> what a day.[19:36:09] <McCall> I have spent the last 6 hours tidying up after a party last night.[19:37:16] <@bonefish> McCall: Apparently a good party, then. :-P[19:37:50] <McCall> Yes, we do throw a good party in our house. 4 lads, rented barnconversion, in-house bar, middle of know-where.[19:37:52] <McCall> :)[19:38:10] <@bonefish> Sounds nice.[19:45:57] *** flag has quit IRC[19:45:59] *** bonefish has quit IRC[19:59:46] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[20:09:52] *** flag_ has joined #haiku[20:12:43] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[20:19:05] *** Koki has joined #haiku[20:39:54] *** MikeW has quit IRC[20:44:19] *** bephilip has joined #haiku[20:48:30] *** bs0 has quit IRC[20:48:30] *** bephilip is now known as bs0[20:49:23] *** bogomipz has joined #haiku[21:21:14] *** aGNUstic has joined #haiku[21:28:06] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[21:31:20] *** TLF has joined #haiku[21:32:15] *** aGNUstic has quit IRC[21:32:34] *** fyysik has quit IRC[21:33:40] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[21:36:25] *** ablyss has quit IRC[21:41:12] *** connex has joined #haiku[21:41:51] *** petterhj has quit IRC[21:42:40] *** connex has quit IRC[21:53:49] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[22:01:20] *** darkgamer20 has joined #haiku[22:01:39] <darkgamer20> guys let me say you guys are pretty cool[22:02:04] <tic> the word is spreading![22:02:10] <Methe> =))[22:02:14] <Methe> loooooool @ tic ![22:02:36] <darkgamer20> i never tried BeOS or anything related to BeOS or Haiku but your project already looks promising[22:02:48] <tic> you should start using beos, like the rest of us![22:03:25] <darkgamer20> lol i finally found the downlod[22:03:29] <darkgamer20> *download[22:03:48] <darkgamer20> wait do i didn't[22:03:57] <darkgamer20> * wait no i didn't[22:04:18] <darkgamer20> can someone point me to the download page?[22:05:56] <[Beta]> you cant download Haiku at this stage; its earlier than alpha, so you'll have to look at places like http://www.schmidp.com/blog/ who are hosting precompiled images[22:06:19] <darkgamer20> ohh i see[22:08:42] <[Beta]> have you tried running beos ?[22:09:18] <[Beta]> you can get a copy of that via bebits.com ( http://www.bebits.com/app/2680 )[22:09:34] <darkgamer20> oh thanks i never tried beos[22:12:47] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[22:14:28] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[22:15:07] *** darkgamer20 has quit IRC[22:16:24] *** TLF has quit IRC[22:20:04] *** Betabel has joined #haiku[22:41:12] <tic> Anyone got a rc and librdef.so available for me?[22:43:24] <@mahlzeit> it> i have an older copy zipped on my site somewhere[22:43:28] <@mahlzeit> does it need to be the lasted?[22:43:32] <@mahlzeit> *latest[22:45:01] <@mahlzeit> http://home.tiscali.nl/mahlzeit/rc-1_1.zip[22:45:48] <tic> Thansk![22:45:54] <tic> no, that's quite allright.[22:47:50] *** ablyss has left #haiku[22:48:09] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[22:51:31] *** TLF has joined #haiku[22:51:53] *** Nies has joined #haiku[22:58:56] <CIA-6> axeld * r13723 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/MYOB/TermApp.cpp: Removed bsd_mem.h and the functions it used from there.[22:59:56] *** Mazon is now known as mazon[23:01:53] *** ChrisK077 has quit IRC[23:03:23] *** Methe has quit IRC[23:07:49] *** mahlzeit has quit IRC[23:08:25] *** Methe has joined #haiku[23:23:01] *** scanty has quit IRC[23:24:12] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[23:24:20] *** Methe has quit IRC[23:26:40] <CIA-6> mmlr * r13724 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (CursorManager.cpp CursorManager.h): Cleanup and style changes. Removed global cursormanager as each RootLayer has it's own.[23:33:40] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[23:37:13] *** Methe has joined #haiku[23:37:14] *** bs0 has quit IRC[23:38:01] <fyysik> Looks like nobody likes Zeta Prefs UI, except authors[23:38:58] <ablyss> i just tied the haiku image[23:39:02] <ablyss> tried, er[23:39:29] <ablyss> nice work guys.. looks sharp[23:40:18] <tic> fyysik, no, I don't like it either[23:41:00] <fyysik> are you author, tic?:)[23:42:04] <tic> Nope.[23:48:11] <geist> yeah but that's no biggie. Be would have done things like that that folks weren't happy with[23:48:24] <geist> every release would make some folks unhappy[23:48:38] <geist> cant please everyone all the time[23:49:25] *** bs0 has joined #haiku[23:49:31] <fyysik> problem is that i hear blame about that prefs panel since it appeared to light...[23:49:39] <PulkoMandy> +++[23:49:48] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:49:54] <fyysik> quite long for now[23:50:26] <geist> in fact, IIRC someone at be was looking to unify the prefs panels but it never shipped[23:50:36] <geist> that may have been the code zeta was based on[23:52:18] <tic> that's true.[23:52:30] <tic> wasn't it jbq who wrote that bslider thingy?[23:52:36] <geist> probably[23:52:38] <fyysik> though, i absolutely cannot understand any blame about "themes".[23:53:12] <geist> here's the problem with a lot of the be community: they treat the original beos as holy and perfect[23:53:27] <geist> anything you do to deviate from that path will piss off a pretty good subset of be folks[23:53:30] <tic> geist, it's certainly more polished though.[23:53:40] <tic> geist, more thought thorugh, so to speak.[23:53:43] <geist> haiku has taken the route of trying to please that crowd[23:53:52] <geist> yeah, I should get a copy of the new zeta. (hint hint)[23:53:58] <geist> I have one of the betas and it was pretty flaky[23:54:18] <tic> ZETA R1 is not bad at all, actually. The first release I wanted to touch, really.[23:54:23] <tic> Just installed it today.[23:54:29] <tic> should get a copy from one of us? :)[23:54:34] <tic> don't think voidy is around, so... .:)[23:54:54] <geist> I'd actually buy it if it was really available in the US[23:55:42] <[Beta]> I'd buy it if it had a few more things I want/need. like bluetooth, gerdamnit.[23:55:44] <tic> Yeah, that's a problem... not available yet. I think BMT Micro or whatever they're called will carry it.[23:55:58] <[Beta]> whats the news on that zeta box ?[23:55:58] <tic> I saw Oliver working on Bluetooth at BeGeistert 014[23:56:44] <[Beta]> hmm, I wonder if I could get some news from him then.[23:57:25] <tic> Oliver R.D. i.e., an yT guy[23:59:01] *** underthumb has joined #haiku