July 8, 2005 
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July 8, 2005 [00:06:39] <SiCuTDeUx> guys[00:06:56] <SiCuTDeUx> it would be nice to get rid of all the BeOS name in haiku[00:07:04] <SiCuTDeUx> that can get troubless[00:07:19] <SiCuTDeUx> Folders, Icos... those things[00:07:42] <SiCuTDeUx> and apps that have tha name included like softwarevalet[00:08:04] <Zaranthos> No Be apps will be included as far as I know.[00:08:15] <SiCuTDeUx> thats good[00:08:26] <Zaranthos> And you can't have BeOS compatability if you remove /boot/beos/bin :)[00:08:43] <SiCuTDeUx> mmm!!![00:08:45] <Zaranthos> Not complete BeOS compatability anyhow.[00:08:52] <SiCuTDeUx> it got to be another way[00:09:04] *** NathanW has joined #haiku[00:09:13] <Zaranthos> Nobody is gonna sue Haiku for having a folder called BeOS. :P[00:09:15] <SiCuTDeUx> something that cant determine what app needs that compatibility[00:10:42] <SiCuTDeUx> extranges things happend![00:10:45] <Zaranthos> Could make a folder called NotBeOS and a symlink to it called BeOS. :P[00:10:55] <SiCuTDeUx> jejejeejje[00:10:56] <SiCuTDeUx> yeah[00:12:32] <SiCuTDeUx> if Palms is something like microsoft... that sue can be done!!! jejejeje[00:18:45] *** _Mazon is now known as mazon[00:18:45] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[00:18:56] *** Bryan_w has quit IRC[00:21:45] *** FastJack has quit IRC[00:23:12] *** FastJack has joined #haiku[00:32:23] *** FastJack has quit IRC[00:33:03] *** FastJack has joined #haiku[00:35:08] *** motoyama has joined #haiku[00:40:53] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[00:55:17] *** FastJack has quit IRC[01:01:06] *** scanty has quit IRC[01:07:10] *** the_faulkenator has joined #haiku[01:07:33] <the_faulkenator> is philipp schmid's blog down?[01:08:04] <motoyama> yes[01:08:54] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[01:10:38] <the_faulkenator> do you know of anywhere else i can see screenshots of Tracker running on Haiku?[01:12:48] <motoyama> hm..[01:12:53] <motoyama> w a i t[01:13:30] *** slaad has joined #haiku[01:13:32] <motoyama> the_faulkenator http://img246.imageshack.us/ my.php?image=haikutracker0uo.png[01:13:44] <motoyama> http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haikutracker0uo.png[01:13:48] <motoyama> done[01:13:50] <motoyama> :)[01:14:12] <the_faulkenator> awesome, thanks a lot man![01:17:44] <the_faulkenator> ahh, not to aggravate you, but do you happen to know where i can download a build? seems the Build Factory is down[01:18:02] <McCall> the build factory is always down.[01:18:13] <McCall> and the guy who has the source wants to keep it to himself.[01:18:15] <motoyama> hehee[01:18:19] <motoyama> lol[01:18:22] <McCall> I have a system built here ready for it to go on[01:18:28] <McCall> but he won't reply to my emails.[01:18:57] <agentmumu> McCall: maybe he fears that the source might damage your eyes :)[01:19:02] <the_faulkenator> McCall, that sucks[01:19:15] <McCall> I don't care what the source looks like - so long as it works![01:22:31] <the_faulkenator> so there isn't any builds on the net anywhere else? i can't really compile for myself because i'm on OS X[01:23:13] <agentmumu> I'm in graz this tuesday, then I'm able to fix my server again[01:24:45] <the_faulkenator> ok, cool[01:25:32] <agentmumu> actually next tuesday[01:31:37] <the_faulkenator> is there any way to build haiku on a system other than BeOS?[01:35:45] <agentmumu> not yet[01:40:13] *** FastJack has joined #haiku[01:45:56] *** FastJack has quit IRC[01:46:03] *** FastJack has joined #haiku[01:46:54] <@geist> how hard would it be to make a build factory? Shouldn't be too hard at all[01:47:33] <agentmumu> geist: I'd do one, but I have no spare machine which can run 24/7[01:47:43] *** agentmum1 has joined #haiku[01:47:56] <agentmumu> ah, this damn server[01:47:56] <dabeej> the_faulkenator: does it run well?[01:48:06] <agentmumu> it's still running, but I can't login[01:48:16] <@geist> isn't haiku like a corporation?[01:48:22] <@geist> can they not buy a build machine?[01:48:48] <@axeld> hi geist[01:48:53] <@geist> sup axeld[01:49:12] <@axeld> geist: we should even have two of them, but both are not functional at the moment[01:49:41] <@axeld> geist: though they were not bought by Haiku they are run by members of the team[01:49:42] <agentmumu> geist: if haiku would build fine on linux I'd start one right now[01:49:58] <@geist> yeah[01:50:11] <@axeld> ah, that problem again :-)[01:50:23] <@axeld> agentmumu: some day, not too soon :-)[01:51:04] <agentmumu> axeld: if someone with more skills then I have would look into my libroot.so problem we could have one soon :)[01:51:39] <NathanW> geist![01:52:10] <agentmumu> after the weekend I'll write a short howto, so that everybody can get to the point I got, maybe someone finds the problem[01:52:13] <NathanW> agentmumu: yeah, that's the problem[01:52:35] <NathanW> I can commit a dual CPU P4 Xeon as a build machine in September, though[01:52:46] *** DarthVader has quit IRC[01:53:01] <NathanW> anyway, geist, how did the build the NewOS toolchain for OS X?[01:53:39] <agentmumu> wah, I hate this porn ads at tv during late hours[01:54:13] <@axeld> agentmumu: I think that libroot.so problem will be hard to solve[01:54:36] <@axeld> agentmumu: and I don't want hacks to get it build - I want a clean build system that allows for this[01:55:18] <@axeld> and since bonefish has said to deliver sometime soon, that energy would just be wasted IMO[01:56:02] <agentmumu> axeld: yes, I'm not so motivated either because of this[01:56:43] <@geist> NathanW: same way as any other system[01:56:58] <NathanW> I don't how to do it on any machine[01:57:08] <agentmumu> but I hope he gets there soon, because this might get haiku more developers[01:57:30] <@geist> NathanW:[01:57:32] <@geist> http://newos.org/WebSVN/filedetails.php?repname=NewOS%20toolchains&path=%2Ftoolchains%2Fbinutils%2Fdoit&rev=0&sc=0[01:57:42] <@geist> http://newos.org/WebSVN/filedetails.php?repname=NewOS%20toolchains&path=%2Ftoolchains%2Fgcc%2Fdoit&rev=0&sc=0[01:57:57] *** slaad has quit IRC[01:57:59] <@geist> specifically look in http://newos.org/WebSVN/listing.php?repname=NewOS%20toolchains&path=%2Ftoolchains%2F&rev=0&sc=0[01:58:05] <@geist> in the binutils + gcc dir[01:58:15] <NathanW> ok :)[01:58:29] <@geist> you should be able to do more or less what the 'doit' file does without the patches, if you build for <arch>-elf[01:58:37] <@geist> the newos target is basically -elf[02:00:12] <@geist> and you probably want to omit '--with-headers' on the gcc build[02:00:24] <agentmumu> geist: when gcc is configured with --with-headers=blabla, does it still use system headers?[02:00:37] <@geist> that lets it build libc++ if you happened to have enough libc headers to create one[02:01:11] <NathanW> ok[02:01:53] <@geist> without it it'll try to create a libc++ but fail due to lack of headers[02:02:01] <@geist> but it'll compile enough of a gcc to actually do most of the work[02:03:03] <NathanW> thanks[02:11:10] *** lizdeika has quit IRC[02:11:56] <CIA-6> axeld * r13548 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/RootLayer.cpp: New windows are now activated again - temporary fix, won't work with FFM.[02:12:57] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[02:23:39] *** slux has quit IRC[02:27:00] *** The_Raven has joined #haiku[02:34:12] *** Koki has quit IRC[02:39:01] <CIA-6> axeld * r13549 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/WorkspacesLayer.cpp: No longer draws the desktop window.[02:39:33] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[02:53:30] *** slux has joined #haiku[03:05:37] <CIA-6> axeld * r13550 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/BarApp.cpp:[03:05:37] <CIA-6> Now listens to team messages under Haiku - apparently, the BeOS registrar detects[03:05:37] <CIA-6> the Deskbar, and sends messages to it automatically.[03:05:37] <CIA-6> For Haiku, though, we don't want this.[03:09:19] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[03:25:57] *** Koki has joined #haiku[03:26:23] *** agentmumu has quit IRC[03:36:09] *** slaad has joined #haiku[03:37:46] <CIA-6> darkwyrm * r13551 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/cdplayer/ (CDAudioDevice.h CDEngine.cpp CDPlayer.cpp): CDPlayer doesn't crash anymore when the CDDB lookup fails[03:41:49] <CIA-6> axeld * r13552 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/InterfaceDefs.cpp:[03:41:49] <CIA-6> Fixed truncate_middle(): could add ellipsis without any reason under some[03:41:49] <CIA-6> circumstances.[03:41:49] <CIA-6> Also, the first letter that is tested to be added to either side is taken[03:41:49] <CIA-6> from the side with less letters now, instead of the one with the bigger[03:41:49] <CIA-6> letter.[03:52:11] *** bencer has joined #haiku[03:52:34] <bencer> hi all[03:52:46] <bencer> axeld: i'm now at partyzipa :)[03:53:04] <@axeld> Hi bencer![03:53:19] *** BetaMax has joined #haiku[03:53:25] <@axeld> bencer: I should be in bed already, but I'll join you tomorrow :-)[03:54:30] <bencer> hehe[03:57:45] *** the_faulkenator has quit IRC[03:58:32] *** The_Raven has quit IRC[04:02:53] *** bencer has quit IRC[04:05:14] *** dabeej has quit IRC[04:05:37] *** bencer has joined #haiku[04:12:31] <BetaMax> un bencer![04:13:31] *** fyysik has quit IRC[04:22:22] *** brennanOS has joined #haiku[04:22:33] *** bencer has quit IRC[04:29:13] <@axeld> night[04:29:16] *** axeld has quit IRC[04:48:29] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[04:58:54] *** agentmum1 has quit IRC[05:02:07] *** Bryan_w has joined #haiku[05:08:01] *** brennanOS has quit IRC[05:11:19] *** BetaMax has quit IRC[05:21:27] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[05:36:13] *** NathanW has quit IRC[07:26:56] *** Be-OS-Happy has quit IRC[07:39:20] *** Konrad77 has joined #haiku[08:08:38] *** thies_ has joined #haiku[08:09:57] *** thies has quit IRC[08:10:20] *** dos4gw has joined #haiku[08:27:03] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[08:33:18] *** thrain42 has quit IRC[09:05:17] *** Penix has joined #haiku[09:05:29] *** agentmumu has joined #haiku[09:10:37] *** dos4gw has quit IRC[09:25:17] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:34:13] *** emwe has joined #haiku[09:34:35] *** Dr3w|Work has joined #haiku[09:35:21] <Dr3w|Work> 'mornin'[09:36:38] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[09:42:50] <CIA-6> phoudoin * r13553 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/BeMenu.cpp:[09:42:50] <CIA-6> Quick fix. Maybe we should #define some OS_NAME string somewhere, because "BeOS" still appears in many places in litterals.[09:42:50] <CIA-6> Not that I didn't like these 4 letters combined, but, well, let's move on...[09:44:33] <CIA-6> korli * r13554 /haiku/trunk/makehdimage: added canna input method (data files are missing though)[09:44:48] *** Korli has joined #haiku[09:44:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[09:48:50] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[09:51:09] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[10:07:00] *** bal8664 has joined #haiku[10:07:07] <bal8664> hello everyone[10:09:13] <@Korli> hello[10:10:03] *** agentmumu has quit IRC[10:10:09] <Koki> hi guys[10:10:25] <Koki> is the dev by the nick "rain" still around these days?[10:10:39] <Konrad77> Koki I dont think so[10:10:51] <bal8664> anyone from the creative team here?[10:11:08] <Koki> thanks Konrad77. have his email address?[10:11:23] <Konrad77> Nope, sorry[10:11:35] <bal8664> i have some icons but i'd like some opinions before making a forum post? Anyone care to see them[10:12:44] <Koki> url bal8664?[10:13:09] <bal8664> http://www.rit.edu/~bal8664/font.jpg[10:13:25] <bal8664> http://www.rit.edu/~bal8664/screen.jpg[10:13:35] <bal8664> they show the original beos icons in the corner, then my version is the larger one[10:13:47] <Konrad77> I like them[10:14:02] <bal8664> i wanted to keep the original beos style, but with some serious updating[10:14:23] <Koki> they look neat to me.[10:14:24] <bal8664> i talked to someone named JBurton yesterday in here about what kind of graphics needed to be done and all he knew of were icons[10:14:32] <kma> nice[10:14:37] <bal8664> thanks[10:14:54] <Koki> like to screen.jpg. it certainly looks more "modern".[10:15:04] <bal8664> I'm new though, so should i just post them to the creative team forum?[10:15:28] <bal8664> yeah, at first i tried to remake the crt display but it just didn't look right to me heh[10:15:44] <Koki> I think the best would be to try to contact the team lead.[10:15:53] <bal8664> do you know who that is?[10:16:02] <Koki> but perhaps posting some icons may be a good way to get their attention. :-)[10:16:41] <bal8664> I've been reading on and off about what you guys have been doing for a few years now but never really realized how far you'd gotten until yesterday[10:16:41] <@Korli> Koki I think rain is commenting on OSNews[10:16:51] <kma> ?[10:17:43] <Koki> thanks Korli. I will look there.[10:17:46] *** S|LeNtBoB has joined #haiku[10:18:25] <Koki> bal8664, haiku-os.org has a team listing, but the creative team one is empty.[10:18:25] <@Korli> Koki btw canna method was added to haiku image (even if it's not working)[10:18:38] <Koki> cool Korli![10:18:46] *** S|LeNtBoB is now known as waveshaper[10:19:03] <kma> bal8664: icons looks nice.. probebly the most importent thing is the most booring one.. all icons and design must look and feel the same[10:19:04] <Koki> Actually, the netBFS dev (monoziro) was telling me that he would try to fix Canna.[10:19:35] <Koki> Korli: going to bug him one of these days to see if he has done it. :-)[10:19:45] <@Korli> Koki this would be nice[10:20:13] <@Korli> Koki if he need commit right, he can ask to me[10:20:45] <bal8664> yeah, thats why i made them in the original BeOS style, not only do i really love the style, it'll match all the older apps too[10:20:46] <Koki> oki> ok Korli[10:21:05] <kma> bal8664: ye[10:21:25] <kma> bal8664: how does those icons look at 16x16 and 32x32?[10:21:57] <bal8664> hmm.. let me scale them down to see, since these are for preferences will they every really be at 16x16 though?[10:22:07] <bal8664> and is 32x32 the default size or 48x48?[10:22:07] <kma> yeah[10:22:29] <kma> you mostly just see 16x16 icons in beos[10:22:40] <bal8664> alright i'll scale them and see how they look[10:24:05] <bal8664> the screen one looks fine, the font one is kind of crowded. Might make it a little simpler at 16x16 size[10:24:30] <kma> just one letter[10:24:41] <kma> can you show an image?[10:24:52] <bal8664> hold on let me upload them[10:26:43] <bal8664> http:/www.rit.edu/~bal8664/font16.jpg[10:26:46] <bal8664> http:/www.rit.edu/~bal8664/screen16.jpg[10:27:01] <kma> nice[10:27:11] <bal8664> they don't scale too badly[10:27:20] <bal8664> it's hard making good 16x16 icons though, just not much room heh[10:27:24] <kma> yeah[10:27:45] *** bal8664 has quit IRC[10:27:51] <kma> doh![10:28:06] *** bal8664 has joined #haiku[10:28:31] *** xeD has joined #haiku[10:28:42] <kma> there you are again[10:29:09] <bal8664> yeah, closed x-chat by accident[10:29:36] <kma> I think there is a reason why BeOS has the pixel style that it has[10:29:48] <kma> 16x16 icons are an art in it self[10:30:18] <bal8664> yeah, unfortunatly i was told we arn't allowed to use the original icons[10:30:34] <kma> I would suggest that you took a screenshot of BeOS and start replacing the graphics with new ones[10:30:57] <bal8664> just to see how it'd look?[10:31:19] <kma> yup[10:31:24] <kma> to get a feel of everything[10:31:33] <bal8664> yeah, thats a pretty good idea.[10:31:41] <kma> the icons look good. but do they look good in the right context?[10:31:46] <bal8664> I made a forum post in the creative section, unfortunatly i don't think it's visited very often[10:32:21] <bal8664> unfortunatly i don't have beos on this computer so I'll have to find some screenshots online, which may or may not look like haiku does right now[10:32:44] <kma> I think that you souldn't be to worried how Haiku looks right now[10:33:10] <bal8664> true[10:33:28] <bal8664> although it already looks alot nicer with the antialiased fonts[10:33:59] <kma> beos has antialiased fonts[10:34:02] <kma> http://www.jfedor.org/shots/beos.png[10:34:08] <kma> good picture[10:34:09] <bal8664> do you know where i can get a large copy of the logo so i can create some wallpapers?[10:34:22] <kma> sorry.. no[10:34:37] <bal8664> most of the fonts in that screenshot arn't antialiased though :) it looks nice when they all are[10:34:45] <bal8664> like here[10:34:45] <bal8664> http://montefiore.altervista.org/haiku_tracker.png[10:36:03] <kma> I can't see one single font that doesn't have antialias on it self in that screenshot I posted[10:36:03] *** xeD has quit IRC[10:36:26] <kma> they all have it.. not just that much[10:36:31] <bal8664> your right, now that i look closer. But they arn't very antialiased if that makes sense. They are still pretty choppy[10:36:38] <kma> ye[10:37:37] <kma> Haikus fonts are abit too large.. would be nice to see what happens if you make em as small as beos[10:38:45] <bal8664> personally i like the larger fonts, But i am used to OS X though[10:39:08] <kma> I know what you mean.. I have a PowerBook at home aswell[10:39:19] <kma> but it's nice to save screenspace for smaller laptops etc[10:39:33] <bal8664> yeah, i'm sure it'll be an option anyways[10:39:45] <kma> I mean.. this os were designed for 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768[10:40:49] <kma> but I'm kinda impressed with that small font that they use in BeOS.. looks really nice even when it's that small[10:41:25] <kma> clean and easy to read[10:41:50] <bal8664> yeah beos was really well designed for it's time[10:41:55] <bal8664> even today it holds it's own[10:42:00] <kma> yeah[10:43:11] <kma> the main part comes from that everything looks the same[10:43:17] *** xeD has joined #haiku[10:43:17] <kma> it's uniform[10:44:24] <bal8664> yeah, I'm reading some posts in the design forum that says they can only be 256 colors? Is that true?[10:45:08] <kma> not sure about that[10:45:14] <kma> but I would think yes[10:45:19] <Dr3w|Work> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5216222584 :)[10:45:24] <kma> considering BeOS age :)[10:45:49] <@geist> Dr3w|Work: congrats[10:45:53] <bal8664> well i thought you had to rewrite everything anyways, so I figured you'd add 32 bit support. i have no idea how hard that is though since i'm not a programmer[10:46:06] <Dr3w|Work> geist: nice price I thought![10:46:14] <Dr3w|Work> NewWord rom too.[10:46:19] <bal8664> nice laptop, my roomate hasthe exact one[10:46:21] <@geist> yes[10:46:31] <@geist> when I was hacking newos on macs, I used precisely one of those[10:46:52] <bal8664> i would stronly recommend upgrading from 10.2 to something newer though[10:47:19] <@geist> of course[10:47:25] <@geist> Tiger, it's the shit[10:47:41] <bal8664> yeah, can't believe it actually runs faster than Panther too[10:47:47] <Dr3w|Work> Yeah, I am going to get Panther on the way home from work. I am wondering if the 512Mb RAM from my PowerBook G3 "Pismo" will work in it.[10:47:58] <Dr3w|Work> oh, Tiger, not Panther.[10:48:10] <bal8664> probably, if it's a standard SDRAM module it hsould[10:48:33] <CIA-6> stippi * r13555 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (Layer.cpp ServerWindow.cpp): quick fix to have Tracker display icons, hope this still reaches you, Axel[10:48:35] <bal8664> yeah, need more than 128 for OS X[10:48:59] *** Konrad77 has quit IRC[10:49:01] <Dr3w|Work> I have 1Gb in my Pismo, when its not going to be my primary machine, 512Gb should be fine.[10:51:33] <bal8664> yeah, i only have 512 in my powerbook and it IS my promary machine :)[10:51:54] <Koki> Korli here?[10:52:15] <JosephSpiros> Dr3w|Work: it's gone[10:52:25] <JosephSpiros> Wait, no[10:52:27] <JosephSpiros> It's back[10:52:28] <JosephSpiros> How strange[10:52:42] <JosephSpiros> Oh, lame, Terminal.app cut off the last two digits[10:53:03] <JosephSpiros> That's a pretty good deal[10:53:11] <JosephSpiros> It's lame how Pismos are still so expensive[10:53:15] * JosephSpiros still wants a Pismo[10:53:35] <bal8664> my next Apple is going to be the Powerbooks with the Intel Processors next summer for sure[10:53:56] <bal8664> one machine to run OS X, Linux, XP (games only :P), and hopefully Haiku?[10:55:21] <JosephSpiros> Apple's move to Intel saddens me, I like being different[10:55:58] <JosephSpiros> Not really, though I do like PowerPC[10:56:55] <bal8664> doesn't matter what's inside to me as long as it runs OS X, could be a bunch of goblins spinning gears for all i care :P[10:57:12] <JosephSpiros> See, that's just it, I don't care for OS X one way or the other[10:57:48] <JosephSpiros> Sure, I like it, but it's not going to make me prefer IA-32 over PowerPC[11:00:47] *** Ghostride has quit IRC[11:01:24] *** Koki has quit IRC[11:02:16] <JosephSpiros> And while I'm sure Windows developers will love to port now that it'll be little endian[11:02:30] <JosephSpiros> But there's some class to big endian, namely, the fact that it makes infinitely more sense to me ;p[11:04:14] <bal8664> hah, well alot of great cpu architectures have died off, just gotta keep looking toward the future I suppose[11:04:33] <bal8664> Wel; i'm heading off to bed, thanks for the opinions on the icons guys[11:04:36] <Dr3w|Work> I wouldn't have thought endian issues are that big a thing nowadays. Everyone uses API's..[11:04:42] <JosephSpiros> Dr3w|Work: you would think so[11:04:55] <JosephSpiros> People are lazy, I guess[11:04:58] *** bal8664 has quit IRC[11:18:20] <Dr3w|Work> geist: do you know if there is a bluetooth module for your iBook? I can't find reference to one.[11:27:31] *** slaad has quit IRC[11:42:43] <Dr3w|Work> no, doesn't look like it. No problem, less to buy to max it out :)[11:45:00] *** GSF has joined #haiku[11:49:19] *** GSF has quit IRC[11:56:28] <Dr3w|Work> The maintainer of config.sub for autotools has commited my patch for *-*-haiku targets![11:56:31] <Dr3w|Work> How cool is that :)[11:57:11] <@Korli> does anyone know Koki's mail address ?[11:57:17] <@Korli> (lunch)[12:11:46] *** Ghostride has joined #haiku[12:22:04] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[12:28:52] *** bencer has joined #haiku[12:29:30] <bencer> hi all[12:37:10] *** Sil2100 has joined #haiku[12:39:20] *** The_Raven has joined #haiku[12:41:49] *** Konrad77 has joined #haiku[12:55:03] *** bencer has quit IRC[13:13:00] *** petterhj has quit IRC[13:15:10] *** Leo42 has joined #haiku[13:28:14] *** _VVV_ has joined #haiku[13:31:34] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[13:38:49] *** Dr3w|Work is now known as Dr3w[13:44:05] *** Methe has joined #haiku[13:45:07] *** Konrad77 has quit IRC[13:55:59] *** tqh has joined #haiku[13:59:46] *** eNGIMa has joined #haiku[14:05:28] *** _VVV_ has quit IRC[14:08:29] <@Korli> http://www.dontclick.it/[14:08:53] *** Ghostride has quit IRC[14:10:41] <Dr3w> heh - I thought that said "dont lick it"[14:12:04] <CIA-6> korli * r13556 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): moved fonts in data/etc/[14:12:39] *** The_Raven has quit IRC[14:30:36] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[14:35:14] <CIA-6> korli * r13557 /haiku/trunk/ (makehdimage src/servers/app/Jamfile):[14:35:14] <CIA-6> install_fonts isn't useful anymore[14:35:14] <CIA-6> fonts are now installed as part of other data files[14:35:14] <CIA-6> we still install some host fonts if found[14:35:59] *** Mandaryne has joined #haiku[14:36:07] *** illissius- has joined #haiku[14:38:20] *** TheGreatDane has joined #haiku[14:38:42] <TheGreatDane> tic[14:41:50] <Dr3w> Dane man.[14:42:10] *** emwe_ has joined #haiku[14:43:46] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[14:44:32] *** illissius has quit IRC[14:49:34] *** schmidp has joined #haiku[14:49:48] *** schmidp is now known as agentmumu[14:55:19] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[14:55:21] *** emwe has quit IRC[14:55:23] *** emwe_ is now known as emwe[15:01:08] *** Mandaryne is now known as PulkoMandy[15:02:51] *** Penix has quit IRC[15:05:25] <TheGreatDane> Dr3w hey[15:05:39] <TheGreatDane> New product from TuneTracker Systems...wanna see?[15:05:47] <Dr3w> Ooo go on then![15:06:09] <TheGreatDane> http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/images/lightning.png[15:06:32] <TheGreatDane> It queries the hard drive for audio files using the criteria you specify, then lets you drag-n-drop to create (or edit) playlists.[15:10:09] *** Dr3w has quit IRC[15:26:22] *** slaad has joined #haiku[15:27:42] *** eNGIMa has quit IRC[15:27:49] *** mene has joined #haiku[15:29:42] *** evdubs has joined #haiku[15:31:11] *** tqh has quit IRC[15:32:24] *** Sil2100 has quit IRC[15:32:59] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[15:48:47] *** Mike2K has joined #haiku[15:56:55] *** emwe has quit IRC[16:04:42] *** MikeW has quit IRC[16:13:29] *** mene has quit IRC[16:17:37] *** Sil2100 has joined #haiku[16:18:13] <Sil2100> Hi everyone[16:19:05] *** tqh has joined #haiku[16:19:42] <evdubs> hey, Sil2100[16:25:05] *** Mike2K has quit IRC[16:28:07] *** Dr3w has joined #haiku[16:28:40] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[16:36:04] *** slaad has quit IRC[16:36:10] *** mahlzeit has joined #haiku[16:36:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mahlzeit[16:36:16] *** Racer__X has joined #haiku[16:39:08] *** Konrad has quit IRC[16:50:21] <TheGreatDane> http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/images/lightning.png[16:50:34] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[16:50:51] <SiCuTDeUx> Hi![16:50:54] <SiCuTDeUx> good morning![16:51:23] <motoyama> buenos dias[16:51:49] <Dr3w> Dane it looks nice![16:52:09] <Sil2100> Hello[16:52:32] <Sil2100> Nice indeed[16:54:17] <SiCuTDeUx> Buenos dias motoyama[16:55:16] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[16:59:02] <SiCuTDeUx> lets see whats new in the beos haiku zeta world[17:00:49] *** DarthVader has joined #haiku[17:01:13] <motoyama> hm..[17:02:00] <SiCuTDeUx> why the hm... motoyama?[17:02:56] *** Dr3w has quit IRC[17:06:40] <motoyama> the new in /haiku/beos/zeta[17:07:09] <motoyama> SiCuTDeUx this is new http://zeta-looks.org/portal/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 ?[17:07:45] <SiCuTDeUx> thx[17:08:10] <SiCuTDeUx> ohh[17:08:15] <SiCuTDeUx> is no more anti zeta![17:08:29] <motoyama> ?[17:08:32] <SiCuTDeUx> he most fix that footer[17:08:47] <motoyama> who?[17:08:48] <SiCuTDeUx> Hi![17:08:50] <SiCuTDeUx> I just wanna tell teh community that Zeta-Looks.org is no more Anti-yT. We're building site with news now. And of course, there'll be download with decors ;-).[17:09:04] <SiCuTDeUx> the footer says[17:09:09] <SiCuTDeUx> Copyright 2000 - 2005 Miro International Pty Ltd. All rights reserved.[17:09:09] <SiCuTDeUx> Mambo is Free Software released under the GNU/GPL License.[17:09:09] <SiCuTDeUx> Stop lies and Stop ZETA!![17:10:04] <motoyama> ah this...[17:12:14] <SiCuTDeUx> guys[17:13:02] <SiCuTDeUx> Haiku/BeOS/Zeta doesnt have something like Linux counter[17:13:03] <SiCuTDeUx> ???[17:17:29] <@mahlzeit> what is linux counter?[17:17:44] <Methe> mahlzeit : a bullshit :D[17:17:53] <Methe> a page where peeps click on a poll" I use linux"[17:18:02] <Methe> so it counts how many users they are[17:18:07] <@mahlzeit> ahlzeit> ah[17:18:11] <Methe> ;xx[17:18:32] <@mahlzeit> we should have a "i am a pretty girl and i like haiku developers" counter[17:18:51] <Methe> yeah, with a "deposit your adress too"[17:19:17] *** Sg_Henry has joined #haiku[17:19:41] <Sg_Henry> ( ·_·) <- Hi ![17:20:11] <Methe> hey mahlzeit yesterday I found the topic of my next script ![17:20:21] <@mahlzeit> woot![17:20:22] <@mahlzeit> what is it?[17:20:30] <Methe> I even find it so cool I don't know if I'll make it a short or a long[17:20:47] <Methe> cause if i do it short i'll shoot it next year, otherwise it might stay on a shelf for some time :)[17:21:05] <@mahlzeit> do both[17:21:07] <@mahlzeit> and a novel[17:21:11] <Methe> lol[17:21:21] <Methe> the> the idea of "both" is good[17:21:23] <Methe> thx for it[17:21:29] <@mahlzeit> it> i am preparing to send in my scripts for the contest[17:21:36] <Methe> but i won't do a novel/blog/u name it[17:21:47] <Methe> mahlzeit so which are u gonna send ?[17:21:51] <@mahlzeit> all of them[17:21:58] <@mahlzeit> it> i have 9 :-)[17:22:40] <Methe> ahahah[17:22:51] <Methe> don't they say u only have to send only one ?[17:22:58] <@mahlzeit> nope[17:37:55] *** motoyama-san has joined #haiku[17:38:36] *** Koki has joined #haiku[17:40:14] *** Dr3w has joined #haiku[17:40:23] <Dr3w> hey.[17:40:41] <Dr3w> does anyone know how to use BitchX?[17:41:13] <lemon> just run[17:41:35] <Dr3w> I can't get it to read .bitchxrc or .ircrc so I have default username and server etc.[17:42:11] <lemon> type: /server irc.freenode.net ...[17:42:18] <lemon> then: /nick yournick ...[17:42:49] <Dr3w> oh yeah, but how do I get it to save those so when I quit and restart they are the same?[17:43:55] <lemon> play more with configs[17:46:10] <Dr3w> yes, but when I quit they are all reset.[17:46:12] *** Dr3w has quit IRC[17:50:40] *** Dr3w has joined #haiku[17:50:45] <Dr3w> nope, can't get it to work :)[17:51:15] <Dr3w> Hmmm.. idea.[17:51:30] *** Dr3w has quit IRC[17:55:19] *** motoyama has quit IRC[17:55:20] *** motoyama-san is now known as motoyama[17:59:23] *** xeD has quit IRC[18:05:07] *** Korli has quit IRC[18:09:17] *** ChrisK077 has joined #haiku[18:09:19] *** Leo44 has joined #haiku[18:10:03] *** Leo42 has quit IRC[18:11:23] *** NathanW has joined #haiku[18:12:20] <NathanW> Our build system does not like cross compilers at all...[18:13:52] *** dabeej has joined #haiku[18:15:18] <lemon> I think we must preape also R1 version with broken compatibilty build with 3.4x/4.xx gcc when the build system will be independed from BeOS libs, rc, BFS attributes[18:15:37] <NathanW> yeah[18:15:44] <lemon> Also look at all possible configurations http://synrc.com/cross.txt[18:15:51] <NathanW> I'm trying to build it on ppc[18:15:52] <NathanW> on OS X[18:16:15] <NathanW> and almost nothing builds[18:16:33] <lemon> We are staring to build gcc patched for Haiku R1 with broken compatibility to 2,3 and 6 positions[18:16:41] <NathanW> And I had to hand-edit the Jamrules file to even let me use something that's not the system linker[18:17:08] <lemon> and also will be play with buildsystem (BFS attr, rc, and libroot.so)[18:17:20] <lemon> to get all the build be really cross[18:17:45] <NathanW> yeah[18:17:52] <NathanW> out build system is sucking just now[18:18:17] <lemon> but our goup using linux as second platform not mac os x like you :)[18:18:37] <lemon> anyway we will be reporting our gettings :)[18:19:06] <lemon> without rc and libroot Haiku became buildabale as just newos[18:19:18] <lemon> it means all kernel land builds fine[18:19:23] <lemon> but user-land ...[18:19:29] <lemon> not al all[18:19:55] <NathanW> I don't know[18:20:00] <NathanW> jam is screwed up[18:20:08] <NathanW> On Linux, you can use the system compiler[18:20:20] <lemon> Of cause no[18:20:29] <lemon> we must have prepared cross compiler[18:20:33] <NathanW> ok[18:20:39] <lemon> that targets i586-pc-haiku[18:20:51] <NathanW> I'm having trouble with Jamrules getting confused with the linker[18:21:09] <lemon> what version of gcc do you use ?[18:21:18] <NathanW> I'm trying with 3.4[18:21:34] <NathanW> On the theory that using 2.95 is silly, since we won't have compat anyway[18:21:42] <lemon> there is need to be prolog and epilog for linker[18:22:06] <lemon> small piece of code[18:22:14] <NathanW> hey, could you send me an e-mail (nathanw at uchicago dot edu) with information on how you set up the build environment?[18:22:17] <NathanW> I need to go to work[18:22:40] <lemon> NathanW, ok as i said i will be reposrting about any success[18:22:47] <NathanW> ok, thanks[18:23:23] <NathanW> The other issue right now is that you can't even check out portions of the tree (buildtools, in particular) on OS X, since the OS X file system isn't case sensitive[18:24:08] <lemon> NatanW... buildtools in trunk tree is only for Intel version of Haiku R1 with compatibility with R5[18:24:27] <lemon> as far as on PPC there is no BeOS/ELF so we can not use that stuff[18:24:37] * motoyama app_server not compile :([18:24:40] <lemon> we must prepare new one gcc compiler for that purposes[18:24:43] <NathanW> well, yeah, I know[18:24:52] <NathanW> I eventually realized there was no point[18:25:04] <NathanW> I have a GCC 3.4.4 built for PPC Haiku[18:25:19] <lemon> ye buuild the gcc is no problem[18:25:22] <NathanW> But I think our full tree should check out at the very least[18:25:27] <NathanW> anyway[18:25:30] <NathanW> as I said[18:25:33] <NathanW> I need to go to work[18:25:34] <lemon> there is need to rewrite build system[18:25:39] <NathanW> yeah[18:25:40] <NathanW> this is true[18:25:43] <lemon> ok, i also need to go[18:25:47] <lemon> bye[18:34:17] *** ChrisK077 has quit IRC[18:37:07] *** ChrisK has joined #haiku[18:37:37] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[18:39:11] *** ChrisK has quit IRC[18:40:31] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[18:42:12] *** McCall has quit IRC[18:44:43] <agentmumu> lemon: ?[18:46:13] *** Leo42 has joined #haiku[18:46:22] *** Leo44 has quit IRC[18:47:16] <TheGreatDane> tic Got some info for you[18:52:55] *** Sg_Henry has left #haiku[18:54:13] *** illissius- is now known as illissius[19:02:54] *** agentmumu has quit IRC[19:03:22] *** motoyama has quit IRC[19:04:20] *** agentmumu has joined #haiku[19:16:02] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:20:04] *** mene has joined #haiku[19:23:43] *** Methe has quit IRC[19:28:43] *** ilorvi has quit IRC[19:30:27] *** ilorvi has joined #haiku[19:32:03] *** WindowsUninstall has quit 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ChrisK077 has quit IRC[20:16:38] *** Superfan is now known as TLF[20:18:35] *** Methe has joined #haiku[20:21:59] *** The_Raven has joined #haiku[20:31:48] <CIA-6> korli * r13558 /haiku/trunk/data/etc/KanBe/ (52 files in 6 dirs):[20:31:49] <CIA-6> added Canna IM data files[20:31:49] <CIA-6> Originally were in user config directory[20:31:49] *** OliverRD has joined #haiku[20:33:21] <OliverRD> Someone has Axeld mobile number ?[20:33:37] *** Konrad has quit IRC[20:33:40] <CIA-6> korli * r13559 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/input_server/methods/canna/CannaLooper.cpp: Placed data files in /etc/KanBe for Haiku[20:34:45] *** Korli has quit IRC[20:36:48] *** NathanW_ has joined #haiku[20:45:59] *** Korli2 has joined #haiku[20:46:12] *** Korli2 is now known as Korli[20:46:17] *** Korli has quit IRC[20:46:54] *** Korli has joined #haiku[20:46:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[20:47:18] <Koki> hi Korli[20:49:43] <@Korli> hey Koki[20:51:24] *** Be-OS-Happy has quit IRC[20:52:00] <Koki> Korli: moving canna files in an attempt to make them work? Or getting them out of the way? :-)[20:53:20] <@Korli> Koki as canna IM would be placed in system/add-ons/input_server/methods/, putting data files in home directory is a bad idea[20:54:43] <@Korli> but putting canna IM in system/... directory could be a bad idea too[20:54:43] <NathanW_> Fewer files in the home directory is always good[21:03:06] <Koki> not being a programmer, I have no idea of what the implications are of placing files in place or another, but I can tell you for your reference where the files are in Zeta (which has canna working).[21:03:44] *** fyysik has quit IRC[21:04:48] <agentmumu> ah so cool :) http://www.schmidp.com/gallery/v/haiku/Tracker.png.html[21:05:27] <NathanW_> oh wow[21:05:44] *** crash|_ has joined #haiku[21:05:46] <agentmumu> NathanW_: yes :)[21:07:04] <evdubs> second "oh wow'[21:07:07] <NathanW_> didn't someone offer money for the first person to do this at one point?[21:07:27] <agentmumu> NathanW_: yes I remember this too[21:07:38] <@Korli> agentmumu your webpage was offline for two days :)[21:07:49] <agentmumu> Korli: yes :) because of osnews[21:08:23] <agentmumu> all apache slots were full, and i wanted to be smart and increased the apache threads from 40 to 200 :)[21:08:27] <NathanW_> yeah, I wondered if that was the cause[21:08:28] *** scanty has joined #haiku[21:08:28] <NathanW_> haha[21:08:32] <agentmumu> this killed the server[21:08:33] <agentmumu> hehe[21:08:37] <scanty> hi guys[21:08:59] <NathanW_> hi scanty[21:09:05] <NathanW_> check out agentmumu's screenshots :)[21:09:34] <scanty> whereabouts? (I've probably seen them)[21:09:44] <NathanW_> http://www.schmidp.com/gallery/v/haiku/Tracker.png.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1[21:09:46] <@Korli> agentmumu you had a perf test on your webserver :)[21:09:50] <NathanW_> there for instance :)[21:09:58] <scanty> yeah, I've seen those :)[21:10:03] <scanty> great work :)[21:11:16] <agentmumu> Korli: actually the server and the bandwith would have coped the load, it was just the dump me who configured it to death[21:11:19] <agentmumu> hehe[21:13:04] <agentmumu> +with[21:13:11] <agentmumu> dumb[21:14:35] <Leo42> hum... are there apps coming with the vmware image linked on osnews.com ?[21:14:46] <Leo42> it just opens a terminal and nothing else here...[21:14:55] *** siarzhuk has joined #haiku[21:15:51] <agentmumu> Leo42: you have to start tracker and deskbar by yourself[21:15:59] <evdubs> if you go to /Haiku/beos/apps you can find things to run[21:16:00] <agentmumu> apps are in /Haiku/beos/apps/[21:16:05] <Koki> one more screenshot (from Japan) > http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~murai/haiku050708.jpg[21:16:13] <NathanW_> agentmumu: so what's the problem with Deskbar?[21:16:40] <Leo42> agentmumu: ok[21:16:43] <NathanW_> nice, Koki[21:17:15] <Leo42> one more question: was original beos casesensitive ? (as haiku fs seems to be)[21:17:22] <NathanW_> yes, Leo42[21:17:26] <Leo42> arg[21:17:30] <Leo42> I really hate this..[21:17:41] <NathanW_> the case sensitivity?[21:17:48] <Leo42> yep[21:17:50] <@Korli> Leo42 not really annoying[21:17:58] <Leo42> totally useless + annoying...[21:18:22] <NathanW_> I actually get annoyed by the lack of case sensitivty[21:18:22] <@Korli> Koki hmm japanese haiku testers :)[21:18:23] *** siarzhuk has quit IRC[21:18:43] <Koki> :-)[21:19:51] <Leo42> hum... just typed "Tracker &" and saw nothing... and shell is blocked: can't type anything in it :)[21:20:47] <Leo42> and deskbar won't run either...[21:21:11] <agentmumu> Leo42: run /Haiku/beos/system/Tracker &[21:21:56] <agentmumu> NathanW_: when Deskbar is running and an other app is started, deskbar will crash haiku[21:22:09] <agentmumu> i have no serial debug output currently[21:22:09] <NathanW_> the kernel? or the app_server?[21:22:13] <NathanW_> I guess it's hard to tell...[21:22:13] <agentmumu> app_server[21:22:19] <NathanW_> ok, good :)[21:22:32] <Leo42> hum... Deskbar & Tracker seem to be located in beos/apps on this iso...[21:22:35] <agentmumu> some segfault if i remember right[21:22:36] <NathanW_> I think axeld may have mentioned something about that the other day in an SVN commit?[21:22:37] <Leo42> and both won't run...[21:22:44] <NathanW_> Leo42: I think yours is old[21:22:58] <agentmumu> Leo42: I'm currently uploading new onews[21:23:02] <agentmumu> ones[21:24:12] <Leo42> agentmumu: oky[21:24:22] <Leo42> other apps seem to work (abouthaiku,...)[21:25:15] <Leo42> hum... and about win shows "running... 8 hours" while I have just started it 5 minutes ago :)[21:25:30] <agentmumu> Leo42: do you use vmware?[21:25:51] <@Korli> Koki is it me or some numbers on your screenshots are curved on the left ( 3 and 8 numbers) ?[21:27:07] <Koki> hmmm... true. I wonder what font the guy used.[21:27:14] <Leo42> agentmumu: i do[21:27:32] <agentmumu> Leo42: it's a problem related to vmware[21:27:39] <Leo42> agentmumu: ok[21:28:16] <Leo42> anyway, great progress... too bad it has so many (bad from my pov) things from unix...[21:28:39] <Koki> specifics Leo42?[21:28:55] <agentmumu> Leo42: do you mean bash?[21:29:00] <agentmumu> :)[21:29:06] <@mahlzeit> he means case-sensitive fs :-)[21:29:20] <Leo42> i mean bash, case sensivity, drives mapped to directories,...[21:29:47] <Leo42> I really find volumes (as seen in amiga for ex), non case sensivity,... a lot more intuitive...[21:29:52] <agentmumu> i like both three :)[21:30:08] <agentmumu> all[21:30:08] <@Korli> Leo42 in the end no Terminal is needed in Haiku[21:30:09] <agentmumu> heheh[21:30:22] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[21:30:41] <Leo42> Korli: as in unix/linux ? :)[21:32:02] <@Korli> Leo42 do you use a Terminal in BeOS ? no[21:32:35] <Leo42> Korli: never used beos[21:32:53] <agentmumu> Leo42: do you use the terminal on windows? :)[21:33:04] <Koki> Leo42: no need to use Terminal in BeOS.[21:33:07] <agentmumu> normaly you don't but it's still there[21:33:36] <Leo42> agentmumu: i do[21:34:02] <SiCuTDeUx> axeld havent arrive to partyzipa[21:34:53] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[21:43:19] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[21:44:25] *** Leo42 has quit IRC[21:45:15] <@Korli> typical altos user signoff ...[21:49:57] <agentmumu> Korli: have you tried playing an mp3 on haiku yet?[21:50:13] <agentmumu> (or any sound)[21:51:37] <@Korli> agentmumu no, no audio driver for vpc[21:51:52] <agentmumu> ah, ic[21:52:15] *** ln has joined #haiku[21:53:06] <@Korli> hey ln[21:53:54] <ln> helo[21:53:59] *** ln is now known as lemon_[21:54:10] <agentmumu> new images are up[21:54:37] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[21:55:10] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:55:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:55:12] <@Korli> lemon_ JBurton and I saw your bug reports :) do you plan to fix them (I see you assigned them to yourself)[21:55:33] <lemon_> i was inverstigate SMP problem mostly[21:55:46] <lemon_> i gen run smp through the kernel and main2 thread ...[21:55:55] <lemon_> but it stuck in KDiskDeviceManager[21:56:01] <lemon_> and what other bugs ?[21:56:43] <lemon_> ah .. TTY layer...[21:56:53] <lemon_> we need a TTY module as was in BeOS R5[21:56:58] <lemon_> yeah ...[21:57:08] <Sil2100> See you later everyone[21:57:17] *** Sil2100 has quit IRC[21:57:21] <lemon_> and now i'm goind to add one more bug :)[21:57:40] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[21:58:52] <lemon_> try run src\haiku\src\tests\kernel\benchmarks execbenchTest with parameter "2"[21:59:10] <lemon_> execl doesnt work[21:59:38] <lemon_> so i leave it you :) you may add it by yourself :)[21:59:40] <agentmumu> Korli: which one do I start first media_server or media_addon_server?[22:00:45] <@Korli> agentmumu media_server starts the all thing[22:00:49] <agentmumu> oh, media_server starts the addon server[22:01:02] <@Korli> lemon_ report the bug please[22:01:27] <@Korli> I hope axeld found his way to Spain[22:03:07] <agentmumu> mediaplayer does start but is crashing when trying to play a file[22:04:01] <@Korli> agentmumu you should better try a cmdline player first[22:04:39] <agentmumu> Korli: is there another one than mpg123?[22:04:41] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[22:04:54] <@Korli> playwav in tests[22:05:10] <agentmumu> ah, ok[22:06:53] <@Korli> agentmumu do you know why the registrar appears in the deskbar ?[22:07:15] <agentmumu> yes it does[22:07:42] <@Korli> but why ?[22:10:00] <@mmu_man> because deskbar or registrar doesn't respect the "background" app flag[22:10:09] <@mahlzeit> or it isn't set[22:10:11] <@mmu_man> or because the flag isn't set ?[22:10:57] *** NathanW_ has quit IRC[22:14:13] <@Korli> mahlzeit is "resource app_flags B_SINGLE_LAUNCH | B_BACKGROUND_APP;" a good syntax ?[22:15:39] <@Korli> mmu_man did you notice freeplayer from free.fr based on VLC ?[22:15:50] <@mmu_man> yeah, heard it sucked[22:16:15] <@mmu_man> is it only for free users ?[22:16:33] <@mmu_man> probably only for windoze anyway[22:16:53] <agentmumu> hm, i'm getting emuxki: init_driver() failed: Function not implemented[22:17:29] <@Korli> mmu_man there are linux and macos packages[22:17:43] <@Korli> agentmumu funny :)[22:17:46] <@mmu_man> same to me, no beos zip :)[22:18:08] <@Korli> mmu_man VLC is GPL ?[22:18:11] <@mmu_man> it is[22:18:24] <agentmumu> Korli: but the auvia driver loads (i have both a sb live and an onboard via)[22:18:29] <@mmu_man> google did their own player and released the src[22:18:39] <agentmumu> the Function not implemented does also show up when removing the auvia driver[22:18:50] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[22:19:12] <@Korli> agentmumu both drivers load but some kernel or pci functions aren't implemented it seems[22:19:22] *** OliverRD has quit IRC[22:19:55] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[22:19:58] <@Korli> mmu_man basically the freebox connects to the pc to display playlist on TV[22:20:05] <SiCuTDeUx> RE[22:21:38] <agentmumu> Korli: i ment loaded in "loaded driver /boot/beos/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/audio/multi/auvia[22:21:41] <agentmumu> "[22:22:18] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[22:22:41] <agentmumu> when using auvia playwav also writes playing sound...[22:22:52] <agentmumu> while with the sb live driver error message pop up[22:23:04] <@Korli> agentmumu ok[22:23:05] <agentmumu> but i didn't hear anything with auvia[22:23:19] <@Korli> though you can test audio driver loading with ls /dev/audio/multi[22:23:59] *** petterhj has quit IRC[22:24:08] <@mahlzeit> Korli: yep, that's good syntax </slow response> :-)[22:24:33] <@Korli> mahlzeit ok thanks[22:24:43] <@Korli> agentmumu interesting[22:24:50] <agentmumu> the via card also shows up in Media pref, but Media kills app_server after a second[22:24:59] <@Korli> I didn't go that far with haiku[22:26:48] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[22:27:34] <agentmumu> ah media does work now after a restart[22:27:48] <agentmumu> it says: "This hardware has no controls"[22:27:59] <@Korli> args[22:28:32] *** Koki has quit IRC[22:30:45] <agentmumu> Korli: interessting, after a reboot and before starting playwav, controls do show up in Media, but again Media kills app_server[22:30:54] <[Beta]> evening.[22:30:57] <agentmumu> seems like Media + controls = dead app_server[22:31:48] <agentmumu> I guess app_server has to get more stable before other things can be really tested[22:31:58] <agentmumu> huhu [Beta][22:32:30] <@Korli> agentmumu yeah complex controls could get it down[22:33:16] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[22:34:37] <agentmumu> I have to use my kitchen now, bye[22:35:00] <@Korli> eheh[22:35:10] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:46:27] *** bogomipz has joined #haiku[22:54:50] <oco> hi ![22:55:15] <oco> is there a "booting haiku" howto ?[22:55:54] <lemon_> ./makehdimage /MountedBFSPartition :)[22:56:13] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[22:56:19] <NathanW> hi Dr_Evil[22:56:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dr_Evil[22:56:28] <@Dr_Evil> hi NathanW[22:56:30] <@Dr_Evil> hi mmu_man[22:56:37] *** dabeej has quit IRC[22:56:48] <@mmu_man> plop[22:56:54] <lemon_> oco: after svn checkout svn://svn.berlios.de/haiku/haiku/trunk haiku and ./configure[22:57:20] <oco> lemon_ : this is already done, but i am trying to boot it on real hardware[22:57:31] <lemon_> what hardware do you have ?[22:57:53] <NathanW> It boots fine on my real hardware[22:57:54] <oco> i see haiku's bootscreen, but nothing[22:58:07] <NathanW> What graphics card do you have/[22:58:15] <oco> matrox mg200[22:58:16] <lemon_> try to boot in 32bit mode[22:58:34] <oco> lemon_ : how ?[22:58:37] <lemon_> oh mg200[22:59:00] <oco> lemon_ : yes, my old machine ![22:59:02] *** evdubs has quit IRC[22:59:11] <NathanW> axeld is using Matrox[22:59:14] <oco> maybe not yet supported ?[22:59:18] <lemon_> is mg200 older that Millenium ?[22:59:34] <lemon_> or it is regullar G200[22:59:47] <oco> yes it is a regular G200[22:59:49] <lemon_> Haiku has support for G200[22:59:55] <lemon_> definitly[23:00:16] <oco> at least the driver is in the source tree[23:00:19] *** Methe has quit IRC[23:00:38] <lemon_> anyway try to boot in 32-bit mode using space in bol loader[23:00:44] <lemon_> boot loader[23:00:51] <lemon_> press space on booting[23:01:01] <NathanW> Haiku seems to get confused if you have multiple gfx cards installed[23:01:13] <oco> ok[23:01:20] <NathanW> I have a PCI Voodoo3 in my P2 and have to remove it to make Haiku boot[23:01:24] <oco> nathaw : only one card in this machine[23:01:43] <oco> NathanW : only one card in this machine[23:02:26] <NathanW> hrrrm[23:02:33] <NathanW> Something is broken in my toolchain...[23:02:37] *** The_Raven has quit IRC[23:03:03] <lemon_> NathanW: MacOSX toolchain ?[23:03:14] <NathanW> yeah[23:03:33] <NathanW> I was trying to build a haiku crosscompiler[23:03:38] <NathanW> To work on the ppc port[23:03:42] <NathanW> And did something wrong[23:03:49] <NathanW> the assembler is barfing at me[23:04:10] <NathanW> "invalid listing option 'r'"[23:05:34] <lemon_> hehe[23:07:45] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[23:07:59] <NathanW> gah[23:08:08] *** Racer__X has quit IRC[23:08:09] * DaaT gets NathanW a towel to clean himself up[23:08:09] <NathanW> why does our build system suck so much?[23:08:29] <@mahlzeit> what would be a better build system?[23:08:46] *** Koki has joined #haiku[23:09:01] <NathanW> one that knew how to deal with crosscompilers and didn't have executables hard-coded into it[23:09:02] <lemon_> mahlzeit: we need to be independed from rc libroot and other BeOS stuff in buildsystem[23:09:14] <@mahlzeit> rc is great![23:09:38] <NathanW> well, sure[23:09:45] <@mahlzeit> but how could you be independent of that stuff?[23:09:48] <NathanW> But what if you aren't building on BeOS?[23:09:52] <@mahlzeit> you need it at some point...[23:09:55] <NathanW> It won't run[23:10:06] <NathanW> So it would be nice if we could make it run not on BeOS[23:10:20] <NathanW> say, by compiling the resource support into it[23:10:25] <lemon_> mahlzeit: thats a problem of chicken and eggs :)[23:10:31] <@mahlzeit> actually, agentmumu has been making rc independent of beos[23:10:56] <lemon_> the next step is libroot and then prolog and epilog for ELF[23:11:43] <NathanW> nice, mahlzeit[23:12:11] <NathanW> It would also be nice, from a cross-compilation standpoint, to specify a toolchain for the target[23:12:30] <NathanW> then have it build things like gensyscalls and rc using the host toolchain, etc.[23:14:01] <lemon_> toolchain must be one per target to simplify managing toolhains[23:15:04] <lemon_> as i said there were possible a such http://synrc.com/cross.txt[23:15:17] <lemon_> but NathanW using MacOSX insted of Linux[23:16:14] <lemon_> the other good thing that gcc 4.0 and 3.4.4 has same ABI on both Intel and PPC ...[23:17:51] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[23:18:21] <NathanW> gah[23:18:23] <NathanW> stupid OS X[23:21:27] <NathanW> Safari in tiger likes adding extensions to things[23:21:39] <lemon_> geist switched from perforce to svn :)[23:21:51] <NathanW> Especially adding .txt to things that have their MIME types set wrong[23:22:12] <NathanW> why oh why have we regressed to .3 extensions?[23:23:38] <@mmu_man> who said OSX was an evolution ? :)[23:24:52] <lemon_> evolution was NeXT... MacOSX is just a Rhapsody made from OpenSTEP 4.2 which was for Intel and PPC[23:26:55] <@mmu_man> beos is the evolution :p[23:27:31] *** MikeW has quit IRC[23:27:55] <NathanW> no, no, Haiku :P[23:28:05] <NathanW> Did you see that Tracker runs now?[23:28:06] <lemon_> yeah BeOS is younger that NT, Mach and NeXT[23:28:18] <NathanW> Mach... *shudder*[23:28:53] <@Dr_Evil> thats not bad http://www.bug-nordic.org/imgs/haiku/Haiku_07.07.2005_R5Application.png[23:29:15] <@mmu_man> NathanW yeah saw the pic[23:29:22] <NathanW> cool Dr_Evil[23:29:29] <@mmu_man> nice one :)[23:30:16] <@mmu_man> looks much nicer than ReactOS shots btw :D[23:31:18] <@Korli> Dr_Evil MediaPlayer is R5 one right ? :)[23:31:29] <@Korli> Dr_Evil I did changes in ich_ac97 btw[23:31:40] <@Dr_Evil> I noticed[23:31:56] <@Korli> untested hopefully still working[23:32:16] <@Dr_Evil> don't know, but if not, I can fix it[23:32:41] <lemon_> according to cia.navi.cx/stats results - OpenBeOS: average of 1.73 hours between messages, ReactOS: average of 1.4 hours between messages[23:33:01] <lemon_> :)[23:33:15] <@Korli> mmu_man ReactOS shots ?[23:33:40] <@mmu_man> http://www.reactos.com/en/content/view/full/7223[23:33:53] *** Fanskap has joined #haiku[23:34:00] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[23:34:09] <lemon_> heh ReactOS has Quake 2 ...[23:34:23] <NathanW> That's because ReactOS looks like WinNT[23:34:29] <NathanW> And BeOS >> WinNT[23:35:15] * lemon_ is thinking about switching to ReactOS project :)[23:35:19] <lemon_> *joke*[23:35:40] <@Korli> their website isn't bad[23:36:22] <NathanW> ReactOS runs UT too[23:36:27] <NathanW> http://reactosde.re.funpic.de/mediadetail.php?sec=Screenshots&cat=r030s&mdnr=104[23:36:37] <NathanW> They're going to be interesting[23:37:12] <@Korli> nice[23:37:30] <NathanW> notice the nVidia DirectX support[23:39:30] <@Korli> in 7 years[23:42:18] <NathanW> yep[23:42:21] <NathanW> still interesting[23:42:25] <NathanW> and amusing, too[23:42:37] <NathanW> of course, that's what some people say about Haiku[23:42:58] <NathanW> I'm *amazed* by the amount of visually obvious progress that's been made in the last 2 days[23:43:04] <NathanW> It's insane[23:43:18] * NathanW wishes he had his BeOS box and could code :([23:45:15] <@Korli> NathanW you don't have it at hand ?[23:45:22] <NathanW> no[23:45:27] <NathanW> I'm home for the summer[23:45:34] <NathanW> All my x86 hardware is at school[23:45:47] <NathanW> I won't have access to an x86 beos box for 2 months[23:45:53] <@Korli> hmmm bad[23:46:04] <NathanW> which is why I haven't committed in a month, too[23:46:28] <NathanW> Well, I have a 300 MHz P2[23:46:36] <NathanW> But it won't run Haiku atm[23:47:09] <@Korli> sure[23:47:21] <NathanW> Maybe I'll put BeOS on it....[23:47:40] <@Korli> NathanW and you don't have telnet access to your school ?[23:48:22] <NathanW> I had to disconnect the machine[23:48:39] <NathanW> I should have stuffed it in a room somewhere running an ssh daemon[23:48:52] <@Korli> eheh[23:49:00] <NathanW> of course, I mostly do kernel and GUI stuff[23:49:02] <NathanW> oh well[23:49:04] <[Beta]> damn, nice screenshots today.[23:49:11] <NathanW> yeah[23:49:24] <NathanW> would have made a nice build factory[23:49:56] <@Korli> agentmumu could you build emuxki with DEBUG=2 and send me /boot/home/emuxki.log ?[23:49:57] <oco> haiku will not run on a 300 Mhz machine ? Maybe this is my problem when booting ![23:50:14] <@Korli> hey oco[23:50:22] <oco> hi korli ![23:50:38] <NathanW> oco: no, it's the Voodoo3[23:50:44] <NathanW> It runs fine on the Mach64[23:50:50] <NathanW> But the Mach64 sucks[23:50:55] <NathanW> :P[23:50:55] <oco> ah ! i prefer ![23:51:41] <oco> but i still can't select the 32 bit mode[23:52:10] <@Korli> oco you can also set up the vesa settings file[23:52:46] <oco> yes i can test that[23:53:13] <NathanW> This P2 I pulled out of the trash last year[23:53:58] *** lemon_ has quit IRC[23:55:39] <fyysik> Korli - btw, after we sorted out emuxki KDL problem, i got another, not so annoying, but anyway[23:56:03] <fyysik> There were troubles both in starting MediaKit so killing it[23:56:17] <fyysik> until i removed Midi-Server start from bootscript[23:56:40] <fyysik> though, wondering how Midi Server can be related[23:57:02] <fyysik> maybe due 2 midi stubs in emuxki code? For MPU[23:57:08] <@Korli> fyysik probably[23:57:09] <NathanW> fyysik: It might not be[23:57:32] <@Dr_Evil> fyysik there was a bad bug in media kit, it acquired random kernel semaphores, unter a few days ago[23:57:46] *** mahlzeit has quit IRC[23:58:13] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - unfortunately it is unrelated to haiku media Kit, as i'm claiming about R5+MKB1[23:58:58] <fyysik> maybe i should start logging and debugging with external Terminal again...[23:59:00] <@Dr_Evil> oh well[23:59:06] <@Korli> fyysik you're unlucky you know[23:59:44] <fyysik> Korli - or vice versa:) No one was able to get stuck in in that bug[23:59:56] <fyysik> or at least to be persistent enough[23:59:58] <@Korli> fyysik what i meant :)