July 7, 2005 
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July 7, 2005 [00:00:21] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[00:00:31] <Zaranthos> I should find some north american distributors since DaaT isn't selling them anymore.[00:01:37] <Zaranthos> Stupid messed up AVI file. Had to edit it in two different programs to get it to burn to DVD.[00:01:42] * Zaranthos kicks WinXP[00:02:59] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[00:04:41] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[00:07:13] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[00:09:17] <Dr_Evil> axeld externel video-decoder addon for DVB is now working[00:09:17] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[00:09:53] <Dr_Evil> will continue with more media add-on cleanup and player connection tomorrow[00:10:18] <@axeld> Dr_Evil: so you're almost through now :-)[00:11:18] <Dr_Evil> yes, need to move the dvb node from application hosted node to normal media node tomorrow[00:11:30] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[00:11:59] <Dr_Evil> then fix the consumer node in the player, which is untested so far, as I was using the video window consumer[00:13:13] <Dr_Evil> but a huge step is done, the dvb addon no longer directly links to the mpeg video decoder, and doesn't require a hacked Zeta media kit mpeg audio decoder[00:13:32] <Dr_Evil> both are implemented as an external BMediaDecoder[00:14:40] * mmu_man pets Dr_Evil[00:16:33] <Dr_Evil> mmu_man it's much better now, as it doesn't have limiting external dependencies[00:17:11] <@mmu_man> <marketing>it's not better if it doesn't require ZETA</marketing> :D[00:18:21] <Dr_Evil> it didn't require zeta[00:18:36] <@mahlzeit> then it's not better :-)[00:18:37] <Dr_Evil> it did require the modified avcodec add-on that breaks zeta media kit[00:19:15] <Dr_Evil> which made it pretty unreleasable[00:23:28] *** mahlzeit has quit IRC[00:23:39] <Koki> Dr_Evil: does DVB allow playing DVDs in ZETA?[00:23:41] <CIA-6> axeld * r13510 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Window.cpp: We must not delete the server window's port...[00:24:10] <Dr_Evil> Koki of cause not[00:24:53] <Koki> DVB = digital video broadcasting?[00:25:19] * Koki unsuccesfully tries to hide his ignorance...[00:26:26] <Dr_Evil> Koki yes[00:27:51] <@mmu_man> though it sometimes uses mpeg2 like dvd[00:28:14] <Dr_Evil> yes, it does use mpeg2, but it doesn't play DVD[00:32:31] <Koki> I see.[00:32:47] * Koki was hoping that we could see native DVD playing in ZETA...[00:36:02] <@mmu_man> that will come in due time[00:36:02] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[00:36:17] <@mmu_man> now vlc is very native to me[00:36:36] <@mmu_man> (even more native than some skinned players ...)[00:38:19] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[00:39:24] <CIA-6> axeld * r13511 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ServerWindow.cpp:[00:39:25] <CIA-6> It now deletes its message port (it was previously incorrectly deleted by the client).[00:39:25] <CIA-6> Now handles it gracefully if someone deletes its message port (it will try to close[00:39:25] <CIA-6> the client and quit).[00:40:13] <CIA-6> axeld * r13512 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ServerApp.cpp: Some more debug output, so that you know which window is killed this way.[00:44:13] *** __nitro__ has joined #haiku[00:48:20] *** slaad has joined #haiku[00:50:12] *** NathanW has joined #haiku[00:51:02] <CIA-6> stippi * r13513 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/icon-freelogo.rdef: another logo variation, of course open for discussion, is available in different color-schemes on request, or I could also commit the other versions too.[00:56:07] <DaaT> Zaranthos, here?[00:56:41] *** oco has quit IRC[00:59:08] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:01:06] *** __nitro__ has quit IRC[01:01:13] *** __nitro__ has joined #haiku[01:01:16] <@axeld> Hi __nitro__[01:01:55] <__nitro__> hi axeld[01:02:04] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[01:04:13] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[01:05:41] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[01:07:42] <CIA-6> mmlr * r13514 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/support/ (5 files): Cleanup. We don't need string_helper anymore as it's only function (strcasestr) is in libroot. It was a temporary solution more than two years ago.[01:07:52] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[01:17:51] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[01:24:16] <CIA-6> stippi * r13515 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ServerWindow.cpp: checks rootLayer Pointer, since offscreen windows are not attached to RootLayer. This shouldn't have been a problem though since Offscreen windows were never Show()n[01:25:34] *** fyysik has quit IRC[01:30:46] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[01:35:05] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[01:36:53] *** TLF has quit IRC[01:37:44] <__nitro__> bye[01:38:15] *** __nitro__ has quit IRC[01:44:53] *** DarthVader has quit IRC[01:48:45] *** stippi has quit IRC[01:49:50] <SiCuTDeUx> axeld, great work![01:49:54] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[01:50:07] <SiCuTDeUx> and all of you guys![01:50:07] <@axeld> SiCuTDeUx: thanks[01:50:18] <SiCuTDeUx> keep up![01:50:52] *** scanty|WORK is now known as scanty[01:51:11] <SiCuTDeUx> axeld, it looks like you have all the time of the world to programm![01:51:24] <@axeld> unfortunately not :-)[01:52:12] <SiCuTDeUx> you are doining right now arent you?[01:52:25] <SiCuTDeUx> hehehe[01:53:12] <SiCuTDeUx> take a break!!! your eyes can fall out!!![01:54:23] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[01:54:37] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[01:55:20] <SiCuTDeUx> thats what my grandma!! used to say!!![01:55:26] <SiCuTDeUx> hehehe good times![01:55:56] <slaad> Heh.[01:56:00] <slaad> And don't sit too close to the TV?[01:56:17] <petterhj> else you get square eyes or something[01:56:36] <slaad> Yeah.[01:56:41] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[01:56:55] <SiCuTDeUx> yeah!![01:57:14] *** agentmumu has quit IRC[01:57:26] <SiCuTDeUx> dont blow that soda bottle... it can break and cut you![01:57:30] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[01:57:36] <SiCuTDeUx> iCuTDeUx> i never understand it why??'[01:57:54] <SiCuTDeUx> hehehehe... i keep blowing and blowing and never happend![01:58:01] <SiCuTDeUx> just to make her mad![01:58:07] <slaad> I've never heard that one.[01:58:18] <slaad> But then... we never had glass bottles as a kid.[01:59:49] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[01:59:55] <SiCuTDeUx> iCuTDeUx> i never seen so many people here in the channel[02:00:02] <SiCuTDeUx> thats good!!![02:00:18] <SiCuTDeUx> Haiku is getting popular... Just what we need![02:01:07] <slaad> Yeah, there are a few people here.[02:01:07] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[02:02:05] <petterhj> the news over at osnews may have something to do with that.. Haikus media coverage in general.. allthough i see mostly names I recognize[02:03:26] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[02:08:35] *** Koki has quit IRC[02:17:00] *** kofi has quit IRC[02:18:41] *** fyysik has quit IRC[02:32:34] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[02:32:34] *** guildencrantz42 has joined #haiku[02:32:46] *** guildencrantz42 is now known as guildencrantz[02:33:03] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[02:47:10] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[02:58:56] *** MikeW has quit IRC[03:01:19] *** illissius has quit IRC[03:07:54] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[03:10:15] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[03:10:45] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[03:11:15] *** DaaT has quit IRC[03:15:10] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[03:26:46] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[03:38:16] *** Methe has quit IRC[03:45:24] *** axeld has quit IRC[04:01:42] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[04:11:17] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[04:13:31] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[04:13:55] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[04:15:58] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[04:29:39] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[04:31:59] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[04:32:19] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[04:34:35] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[04:35:06] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[04:37:13] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[04:38:26] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[04:40:09] *** agentmumu has joined #haiku[04:44:35] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[04:46:45] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[04:56:21] <CIA-6> axeld * r13516 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Menu.cpp:[04:56:21] <CIA-6> Implemented basic dynamic item support (IOW the BSlowMenu/BNavMenu stuff is now working[04:56:21] <CIA-6> as expected), OkToProceed() needs some work, though.[04:56:21] <CIA-6> Made _AddItem() more safe - the window is now also locked during BList::AddItem() and[04:56:21] <CIA-6> while getting the window to install the item in.[04:59:59] *** BetaMax has joined #haiku[05:00:17] *** NathanW has left #haiku[05:06:09] *** agentmumu has quit IRC[05:16:28] *** Koki has joined #haiku[05:23:12] *** petterhj has quit IRC[05:24:44] *** BetaMax has quit IRC[05:29:28] *** slaad has quit IRC[05:37:02] *** BryanV has joined #haiku[05:40:03] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[05:46:52] *** ilorvi has quit IRC[05:46:52] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[05:49:05] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[05:50:09] *** SiCuTDeUX has joined #haiku[05:50:34] <SiCuTDeUX> hello![05:50:37] <SiCuTDeUX> anyone alive?[05:50:43] <SiCuTDeUX> need help here![05:51:03] <SiCuTDeUX> my new comp. refuses to run beos or zeta[05:51:10] <BryanV> Bummer[05:51:13] <SiCuTDeUX> zeta installs flawleslly[05:51:34] <SiCuTDeUX> but in the booting time sticks in pci icon... why?[05:51:59] <BryanV> I'm not familliar with zeta.... (haven't used it)[05:52:09] <SiCuTDeUX> and BeOS pro not even hilight the icos... trys to boot and then reboot the machine[05:52:17] <SiCuTDeUX> from cd[05:52:26] <BryanV> Have you tried hitting space when the bootscreen first appears and turning on some of the safe settings?[05:52:44] <BryanV> like "Don't call the BIOS" or whatnot?[05:52:56] <SiCuTDeUX> yeah but does the same thing[05:54:32] <SiCuTDeUX> iCuTDeUX> i think may be is the mb[05:54:33] <BryanV> Bleh.[05:54:45] <SiCuTDeUX> its uses a via km400 chip[05:58:04] <scanty> hey BryanV ![05:58:11] <BryanV> yo[05:58:12] <scanty> now I can bother you here too :D[05:58:17] <BryanV> oh joy. I'm so happy[05:58:29] <scanty> dude, it's so much better in here than beshare[05:58:33] <scanty> it's not even funny[05:58:39] <BryanV> Yeah I know.[05:58:44] <BryanV> hence why I'm here.[05:58:49] <scanty> it's nice to mingle with some *real* developers here.[05:58:55] <scanty> not like those python sissies.[05:59:00] <scanty> (and you know exactly who I mean)[05:59:01] <scanty> ^_^[05:59:51] <BryanV> *cough* I think so.[06:00:21] <scanty> now I just need to find some stuff to work on for Haiku[06:00:24] <scanty> and I"ll be in business.[06:00:40] <scanty> I feel really guitly having not contributed anything, especially in light of all the new progress.[06:00:49] <scanty> I'm actually thoroughly impressed at this point.[06:01:07] <BryanV> Hey, I haven't contributed anything directly to Haiku, except for my "go team go" attitude. :-p[06:02:15] <BryanV> And heck I sold one of my BeOS boxes... I'm down to just this desktop now.[06:02:21] *** SiCuTDeUX has quit IRC[06:02:24] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[06:02:27] <scanty> hehe[06:02:32] <scanty> I haven't used BeOS in about six months now.[06:02:39] <scanty> since my PC is a PC of crap.[06:02:49] <BryanV> Yick.[06:03:15] <scanty> sometimes it doesn't even boot.[06:03:17] <scanty> it's quite funny.[06:03:41] <BryanV> what mobo do you have in that thing scanty?[06:03:44] <scanty> and I refuse to spend anymore money on PC hardware.[06:03:51] <scanty> Gigabyte dual socket370[06:03:58] <scanty> I'm convinced it's defected.[06:04:15] <scanty> and I already RMA'd it , twice.[06:04:24] <BryanV> Yeah, you and mmadia convinced me to get one when my second pcchips board blew it's caps.[06:04:34] <BryanV> The dang USB is fuxored.[06:04:35] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[06:04:40] <scanty> really?[06:04:43] <scanty> it works fine for me.[06:04:43] <BryanV> Yeah[06:04:46] <scanty> err, when it works.[06:04:47] <scanty> :^)[06:04:50] <BryanV> It works, yes..[06:04:58] <BryanV> But...[06:05:17] <scanty> at this point I'm convinced that probably 80 or 90% of all socket370 boards are garbage.[06:05:24] <scanty> partly due to the capacitor plague of the day[06:05:25] <BryanV> I have to keep the keyboard in the PS/2 port, because it's dos keyboard emulation is screwed up.[06:05:44] <scanty> oh, I use a PS2 keyboard on it.[06:05:52] <BryanV> If I plug into usb, I can't change bootman.[06:05:54] <scanty> so I never had that problem I gess.[06:05:56] <scanty> guess*[06:06:07] <scanty> there's no setting in the BIOS or anything?[06:06:08] <BryanV> Yeah, well, I -used- to run on a USB KVM, so it -was- a problem.[06:06:12] <scanty> or the setting doesn't work?[06:06:27] <scanty> I have to build my own KVM...[06:06:34] <scanty> if I want one that works with Sun, I have to pay an arm and a leg.[06:07:04] <BryanV> If I enable the setting in the bios, as soon as an OS tries to init the USB controller, it locks the machine.[06:07:09] <scanty> eeek[06:07:24] <scanty> although, I"m trading this machine in for a Blade 1000 in a couple months.[06:07:31] <scanty> so I may hold off on that KVM[06:07:38] <scanty> since the blade1000 is USB only[06:07:40] <scanty> for input devices.[06:08:37] <BryanV> Ah...[06:08:59] <BryanV> Well, I sold my old Mac (that I used the KVM with) and my laptop and got an iBook.[06:09:06] <BryanV> So no more USB problems.[06:09:07] <scanty> ah cool[06:09:50] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[06:09:57] <scanty> Sun are bastards though.... if I trade this machine in through them, they'll only give me a 20% discount on a new blade.[06:10:21] *** ilorvi has joined #haiku[06:10:22] <scanty> meanwhile, I can get a decent blade 1000 on peeBay for under $1k[06:10:23] *** thrain42 has quit IRC[06:12:01] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[06:12:32] <scanty> I'm hoping to get haiku going on SPARC[06:12:36] <scanty> but doubt I could do it by myself.[06:13:18] *** thrain42 has joined #haiku[06:13:18] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[06:14:29] <scanty> anty> a boy can dream.... :^)[06:15:25] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[06:23:06] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[06:25:30] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[06:26:50] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[06:41:41] *** znation has quit IRC[07:00:33] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[07:00:43] <miqlas> Re![07:09:04] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[07:13:08] *** ilorvi has quit IRC[07:23:14] *** Bryan_w has joined #haiku[07:23:28] * scanty goes to bed.[07:26:04] <Bryan_w> :26:04 <Bryan_w> :[07:26:14] *** petterhj has quit IRC[07:35:18] *** miqlas has quit IRC[07:42:33] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[07:55:24] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[08:06:03] *** thies has quit IRC[08:06:20] *** ilorvi has joined #haiku[08:06:52] *** thies has joined #haiku[08:10:35] *** dos4gw has joined #haiku[08:11:30] * SiCuTDeUx is away: No estoy![08:14:10] *** znation has joined #haiku[08:14:36] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[08:14:58] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[08:27:40] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[08:28:38] *** Mazon is now known as mazon[08:35:51] *** Skaway is now known as SkaBOT[08:47:45] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[08:55:15] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[08:58:34] *** slaad has joined #haiku[09:01:39] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[09:01:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBurton[09:01:42] <@JBurton> hi[09:05:35] *** brett has joined #haiku[09:06:29] *** JosephSpiros has joined #haiku[09:07:04] *** brett is now known as bal8664[09:08:38] <bal8664> hello everyone, i just read on osnews.com that you have a functioing app server, everything is looking great[09:08:40] <bal8664> congrats[09:09:24] <bal8664> only problem someone pointed out is that the close and maximize buttons don't look like the original beos, I wasn't sure if this was intentional or not, but i recreated the original buttons for you if you'd like to use them[09:10:07] <bal8664> here is the address to them http://www.rit.edu/~bal8664/haiku-close-unpushed.png http://www.rit.edu/~bal8664/haiku-close-unpushed-inactive.png[09:10:21] <bal8664> http://www.rit.edu/~bal8664/haiku-maximize-unpushed.png[09:10:36] <bal8664> http://www.rit.edu/~bal8664/haiku-maximize-unpushed-inactive.png[09:10:48] <@JBurton> bal8664 the buttons aren't bitmaps[09:11:03] <@geist> yeah, they're drawn[09:11:05] <@JBurton> in our app_server neither in r5[09:11:06] <bal8664> ahh, i see[09:11:24] <@JBurton> bal8664 I hope it was not intentional, anyway. I hope we can improve them :)[09:11:27] <bal8664> well if you need a reference to have it draw them by you can use those. I have no programming skills whatsoever so i didn't know[09:11:39] <@JBurton> ok thanks[09:11:47] <bal8664> I personally don't think they look bad, but someone else mentioned they looked different[09:12:02] <@JBurton> bal8664 they don't look so great either :)[09:12:44] <bal8664> is anything in the interface basedo n bitmaps? I'm good with photoshop and would be able to help if you need any work like that done[09:13:28] <@JBurton> bal8664 AFAIK, nothing[09:13:35] <@JBurton> except...[09:13:51] <@JBurton> the various bitmaps contained in the preflets[09:14:03] <@JBurton> currently we're using the r5 bitmaps, but I don't think we can do this forever[09:14:07] <bal8664> what are they? The icons for the different panels?[09:14:08] *** tic` has joined #haiku[09:14:28] <@JBurton> open the "Mouse" preference app[09:14:30] <@JBurton> the mouse, for example[09:14:45] <bal8664> i'm not running beos actually[09:14:48] <@JBurton> ah okay :)[09:15:17] <bal8664> hopefully when you guys get a R1 release out i will be though :)[09:15:53] <bal8664> can the icons be recreated or do you have to have totally different ones?[09:16:08] <bal8664> recreating them would be very easy, obviously more modern with antialiased edges and stuff[09:16:09] <@JBurton> the latter, I think[09:16:19] <@JBurton> in fact, I think we need an icon set[09:16:43] <bal8664> i really love the looks of the old beos icons, the style of them that is[09:17:04] <@JBurton> yeah me too[09:17:06] <bal8664> but if you arn't allowed to use them it's understandable[09:17:07] <@JBurton> but we can't use them[09:17:10] <@JBurton> exactly[09:18:42] <bal8664> hmm.. maybe i'll take a try at making some icons and see what you guys think[09:19:12] <@JBurton> bal8664 yeah that would be nice[09:19:35] <bal8664> would you want them in that classic beos 3/4th view?[09:20:19] <@JBurton> bal8664 personally I'd like them like this. But maybe you'll want to speak with Mphipps ?[09:20:40] <@JBurton> or post the icons on the cdt forum, that's it[09:20:51] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[09:21:00] <bal8664> alright, i'll see what i can do. Thanks alot[09:21:35] <bal8664> oh one last thing, are the icons going to be vector or raster based?[09:21:40] <@JBurton> raster[09:21:52] <bal8664> alright[09:21:58] <@JBurton> but I guess you could do them in vector and convert to bitmaps when needed[09:22:15] <bal8664> thanks alot, I'll see what I can do.[09:24:19] <@JBurton> np, thanks to you[09:27:27] *** Koki has quit IRC[09:27:28] *** Koki2 has joined #haiku[09:30:00] *** Ska has joined #haiku[09:30:30] *** bal8664 has quit IRC[09:34:40] *** tic` has quit IRC[09:47:54] *** xeD has joined #haiku[09:48:11] <@JBurton> ciao xeD[09:48:16] <xeD> JBurton ciao![09:48:57] <xeD> Tracker screenshots are making a lot of people happy[09:48:59] <xeD> :)[09:49:11] <@JBurton> I noticed[09:49:22] <@JBurton> agentmumu's site is down :P[09:49:30] <@JBurton> I guess it's been overloaded[09:49:33] <xeD> strange :p[09:50:39] *** bmanv6 has joined #haiku[09:51:42] *** Korli has joined #haiku[09:51:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[09:52:34] <@JBurton> hi Korli[10:04:52] *** BryanV has quit IRC[10:04:52] *** bmanv6 is now known as BryanV[10:08:41] <@Korli> hey JBurton[10:09:43] <@Korli> JBurton I did a pass on the mov_reader in our repository : I had problems to find a class based on the filename[10:09:58] <@Korli> codestyle isn't good too[10:10:37] <@Korli> sometimes[10:11:00] <@JBurton> that's bad[10:11:16] <@JBurton> well that's good we have a mov_reader[10:11:28] <@JBurton> though it should follow our guidelines[10:12:50] *** mene has joined #haiku[10:17:17] *** bal8664 has joined #haiku[10:17:33] *** bal8664 has quit IRC[10:21:26] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[10:21:40] *** emwe has joined #haiku[10:22:42] *** lemon has quit IRC[10:25:32] <PulkoMandy> +++[10:25:43] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[10:29:40] *** Koki2 has quit IRC[10:29:50] *** Koki has joined #haiku[10:31:11] *** Koki has quit IRC[10:43:47] *** lizdeika has joined #haiku[10:44:11] *** muco has joined #haiku[10:44:13] <muco> hi[10:44:53] <lizdeika> anyone else got haiku.image with runable Tracker ?[10:45:03] <@JBurton> hi muco[10:45:25] <muco> hi JBurton :)[10:50:13] *** masique has joined #haiku[10:55:05] *** agentmumu has joined #haiku[10:56:23] *** masique has quit IRC[11:13:06] *** ConneX is now known as petterhj[11:29:39] <CIA-6> jackburton * r13517 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/game/DirectWindow.cpp: Small cleanup, mostly style changes. Fixed a small typo.[11:33:17] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[11:33:46] <@JBurton> hi Konrad[11:34:21] <Konrad> Good morning[11:35:31] <CIA-6> korli * r13518 /haiku/trunk/makehdimage: added auvia emuxki[11:36:07] <@JBurton> Korli does that mean the media kit works ?[11:36:18] <xeD> :)[11:36:19] <@Korli> JBurton not even tested[11:36:30] <@JBurton> ok[11:38:15] *** Dr3w|Work has joined #haiku[11:41:58] <@JBurton> Korli there are 3 new bugs reported by this guy: http://maxim.sokhatsky.com/[11:42:05] <@JBurton> he has an impressive resume[11:42:32] <@JBurton> I hope that means he will work on them, as he has assigned those bugs to himself :P[11:44:51] <@Korli> looking[11:44:57] <@Korli> only 2 ?[11:45:01] <Konrad> JBurton he sounds ok =)[11:45:27] <@JBurton> Korli yeah 2 of the 3 he filed[11:45:38] <@JBurton> the first one is assigned to Axel[11:45:48] <@JBurton> (automatic assigmnent?)[11:45:50] * Konrad is idle: f00d[11:46:11] <@Korli> yeah[11:46:33] <@JBurton> btw... how come every bug I file is assigned to Marcus ? :P[11:47:27] <CIA-6> korli * r13519 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/ac97/auvia/ (auvia.c debug.c io.c multi.c): misc fixes[11:48:48] *** juicexed has joined #haiku[11:48:49] *** bs0 has joined #haiku[11:49:49] *** juicexed has left #haiku[11:52:51] <Dr3w|Work> are the be headers in the haiku trunk?[11:53:02] <@JBurton> Dr3w|Work there are the haiku headers there :)[11:53:20] <@JBurton> Dr3w|Work why do you ask ?[11:53:45] <@JBurton> headers/os/[11:54:06] <Dr3w|Work> trying to get my head around the way you have to compile bintuils and gcc linked against them from that Linux compile doc.[11:54:30] <@JBurton> oic[11:56:34] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[11:58:33] <@JBurton> Korli btw... apps which use BDirectWindow should start already (but it'll work just as a normal BWindow)[11:58:57] <@Korli> JBurton ok[11:59:09] <@Korli> I add a look at screensaver kit[11:59:13] <@JBurton> oki[11:59:23] <@Korli> it seems the server should be the screen_blanker[11:59:26] <@JBurton> ah[11:59:38] <@Korli> to be confirmed though[12:05:15] <CIA-6> korli * r13520 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/emuxki/ (emuxki.c multi.c): fixes warnings[12:09:41] <@Korli> JBurton the funny thing with people reading commit logs is you can put in a joke and know it would be published on osnews :)[12:09:50] <@JBurton> yeah :)[12:10:19] <muco> what about 'osnews sux'? :D[12:10:27] <@JBurton> HaikuNews hasn't picked up the news yet[12:10:40] <@JBurton> and there isn't anything on our site either[12:12:30] <@JBurton> Korli have you tried Magnify, by chance ?[12:12:38] <@JBurton> it should work, after the latest changes[12:17:46] *** emwe has quit IRC[12:26:20] <CIA-6> phoudoin * r13521 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/pulse/NormalPulseView.cpp: Added user friendly Ghz awareness :-).[12:27:01] *** Ghostride has joined #haiku[12:27:26] *** muco has quit IRC[12:29:56] <@JBurton> bbl lunch[12:30:05] <Dr3w|Work> Mmmm lunch....[12:32:53] *** The_Raven has joined #haiku[12:36:05] *** mene has quit IRC[12:39:25] <CIA-6> phoudoin * r13522 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/ (abouthaiku/AboutHaiku.cpp pulse/NormalPulseView.cpp): That's Hz, not hz when prefixed.[12:41:20] *** agentmumu has quit IRC[12:45:31] * Dr3w|Work grins at his name in the Hiaku about box :)))[12:52:22] *** illissius has joined #haiku[12:58:41] *** BGA has quit IRC[13:03:03] *** Ska is now known as SkaEat[13:06:23] *** slaad has quit IRC[13:15:24] *** Konrad has quit IRC[13:25:42] *** xeD has quit IRC[13:36:23] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13523 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/Jamfile: Support for missing strcasestr() under R5.[13:37:19] <@JBurton> re[13:37:24] <@Korli> re[13:40:13] *** sys2 has quit IRC[13:43:19] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[13:52:39] *** petterhj has quit IRC[13:53:19] <Dr3w|Work> The Haiku patch was accepted by the config.sub maintainer.[13:56:51] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[13:56:59] *** xeD has joined #haiku[13:57:13] *** tqh has joined #haiku[13:57:51] <@Korli> JBurton auvia emuxki are complaining for read_io_8[13:58:47] <@JBurton> pci or isa ?[13:59:05] <@Korli> bam KDL[13:59:18] <@JBurton> wow[13:59:28] <@Korli> I launched SoundRecorder ...[13:59:37] <@JBurton> which message ?[13:59:46] <@JBurton> in the KDL console ?[14:00:08] <@Korli> Segment violation[14:00:12] <@JBurton> oic[14:00:28] <@Korli> debug_server: Killing team 27 (/boot/beos/system/servers/app_s)[14:00:37] <@Korli> this team name is too short[14:01:03] <@JBurton> it's B_OS_NAME_LENGHT[14:01:04] <@JBurton> (32)[14:01:27] <@JBurton> I'm not sure we should enlarge it[14:01:27] *** Euver has joined #haiku[14:01:35] <@JBurton> maybe just get the file name[14:01:38] <@JBurton> and not the whole path ?[14:02:28] <@Korli> yeah[14:02:42] <@Korli> JBurton read_io_* functions are not provided by the kernel[14:03:28] <@JBurton> while they should, I bet[14:04:22] <@Korli> hmm no BeOS R3 was exposing this function[14:05:19] <@JBurton> so maybe the auvia emuxki should be changed not to use it[14:07:53] <@Korli> ich_ac97 too[14:08:24] <@JBurton> hmmm maybe we should really add it to the kernel, then[14:08:42] <@Korli> it's a bad idea[14:08:45] <@JBurton> why ?[14:09:01] <@Korli> because these functions don't follow the driver schema[14:09:36] <@JBurton> hey, look who's here: http://burton666.neoni.net/shots/clock.png[14:09:49] <@JBurton> too bad the app_server hangs afterwards :)[14:10:11] <@JBurton> I see your point Korli[14:10:34] <@JBurton> but I wonder how many drivers are using those functions[14:10:57] <@Korli> me too[14:11:21] <@Korli> they aren't in KernelExport.h anyway[14:11:26] <@Korli> not public R5 api[14:11:41] *** SkaEat is now known as Ska[14:11:42] <@JBurton> I see[14:12:09] <@JBurton> I would rework the drivers to avoid those methods[14:12:16] <@JBurton> but a mail to the list would help too[14:12:16] <@Korli> nice screenshot[14:12:19] <@JBurton> tnx[14:12:56] <@JBurton> I wonder what's causing the hang[14:13:46] <Dr3w|Work> where is the kernel up to now? Is it mostly complete?[14:14:15] <@JBurton> it's complete enough to make almost all the other things work :)[14:14:35] <Dr3w|Work> ah cool - what about gcc? Can Haiku compile Hiaku :)[14:14:55] <@JBurton> gcc works[14:15:04] <@JBurton> but I don't know if you can manage to compile the whole haiku[14:15:05] <@Korli> JBurton I bet it's app_server which crashs[14:15:10] <@JBurton> Korli yeah me too[14:15:16] <@JBurton> but I was wondering why[14:15:59] <CIA-6> korli * r13524 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/ac97/auvia/ (auvia.c io.c):[14:15:59] <CIA-6> fixes warnings[14:15:59] <CIA-6> now avoids to use read_io* and write_io* (untested)[14:19:44] <CIA-6> korli * r13525 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/emuxki/ (emuxki.c io.c): now avoids to use read_io* and write_io* (untested)[14:21:28] <Dr3w|Work> does anyone have a vmware image mirror of the haiku that works with Tracker?[14:22:20] <@JBurton> yes[14:22:23] <@JBurton> wait a sec[14:22:30] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[14:22:48] <@JBurton> I found it on osnews[14:23:05] <@JBurton> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11118&offset=15&rows=30&threshold=-1[14:27:48] *** OrangeJuice has joined #haiku[14:28:37] <@Korli> ok emuxki and auvia now load correctly on Haiku[14:28:42] <@JBurton> oooh[14:28:43] <@JBurton> cool[14:28:58] <@Korli> they only tell there is no device[14:30:02] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[14:30:14] <@JBurton> ops. Is that normal ?[14:30:31] <@Korli> SoundRecorder makes app_server crashing[14:30:35] <@Korli> JBurton yeah on VPC[14:31:02] <@Korli> it crashes in freetype btw[14:31:06] <@JBurton> oh[14:31:15] <@JBurton> that's no good[14:31:28] <@JBurton> how can you see where it crashes, btw ?[14:31:31] *** lemon has joined #haiku[14:31:35] <@Korli> and as I didn't enable DEBUG on it ...[14:31:54] <OrangeJuice> is that auvia the *same* one listed as BeBits #3357 ??[14:31:59] <lemon> people, axeld told me that the was running haiku earlier on PowerPC[14:32:08] *** FastJack has quit IRC[14:32:24] <lemon> dont you know what toolchain was used and what exactly PPC model was[14:32:40] <Dr3w|Work> lemon: the kernel compiles, and libroot *might*[14:32:57] <@Korli> OrangeJuice yes[14:33:11] <lemon> Dr3w|Work: can u use Dano/PPC and 9600 as Dev Box ?[14:33:11] *** FastJack has joined #haiku[14:33:13] <@Korli> JBurton I thought Deskbar and Tracker were on the image[14:33:18] <@JBurton> they are there[14:33:25] <@JBurton> at least, in the image I have[14:33:39] <@JBurton> just they don't start up at... startup[14:33:40] <Dr3w|Work> No - I didn't know there *was* a Dano/PPC.[14:35:50] *** The_Raven has quit IRC[14:35:58] *** illissius- has joined #haiku[14:38:44] <@JBurton> Magnify starts, btw[14:38:52] <@JBurton> but no magnification[14:39:36] <@Korli> ahah[14:39:48] *** bs0 has quit IRC[14:39:58] <@Korli> it's a "nice to have" feature[14:40:05] <@JBurton> :)[14:41:01] *** Methe has joined #haiku[14:41:13] *** agentmumu has joined #haiku[14:41:23] <Dr3w|Work> Philipp![14:41:36] <@JBurton> hey agentmumu[14:41:38] *** slaad has joined #haiku[14:41:53] <@JBurton> btw the image I have is extremely bad, it crashes every now and then :P[14:41:53] <@Korli> adding Tracker and Deskbar[14:43:04] <CIA-6> axeld * r13526 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[14:43:04] <CIA-6> Fixed warnings.[14:43:04] <CIA-6> Applied our coding style a bit, but the class members should be renamed.[14:43:22] <Methe> erf, CIA is spamming again[14:44:06] <Methe> I have no time to svn update ever 10 minutes for a major milestone, plz tell me when he is done[14:44:12] <@JBurton> ahahah[14:44:18] *** illissius has quit IRC[14:44:20] *** bs0 has joined #haiku[14:44:23] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[14:44:27] <Methe> =)[14:44:30] <OrangeJuice> ice> i was wondering, for the work you guys do on Haiku, are you guys using legacy-BeOS/Dano/PhOS/etc or oskit and Linux/*BSD?[14:44:49] <OrangeJuice> coz i might look into signing up[14:44:56] <@Korli> legacy-BeOS[14:45:54] <@JBurton> btw looks like that you can't start any cool up with just 64 mb of ram[14:45:58] <@JBurton> like Magnify[14:46:14] <Methe> up = app ?[14:46:20] <@JBurton> yeah sorry :)[14:46:23] <@Korli> JBurton I have to start with 128Mo at least[14:46:26] <@JBurton> yeah[14:46:27] <@JBurton> same here[14:46:44] <@JBurton> I remember axel said the kernel's eating lot of memory at the moment :P[14:46:59] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[14:47:01] <@Korli> damn kernel, no upper limit but a lower limit ...[14:47:07] <Methe> ahah[14:47:17] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[14:47:37] *** slaad has quit IRC[14:49:28] *** slaad has joined #haiku[14:50:09] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[14:53:38] <@JBurton> Korli :)[14:54:44] <CIA-6> korli * r13527 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/ (deskbar/Jamfile tracker/Jamfile): moved Deskbar and Tracker to their usual place[14:55:25] <Methe> Korli are tracker and deskbar automaticaly launched ?[14:55:32] <@Korli> no[14:55:34] <@JBurton> hopefully not :)[14:56:46] <@Korli> we should put a background image[14:56:50] <@JBurton> yeah[14:57:06] <@JBurton> so that everything hangs ? :)[14:57:14] <@Korli> to test[14:57:16] <Methe> :p[14:57:34] <CIA-6> korli * r13528 /haiku/trunk/makehdimage: added Deskbar Tracker[14:59:17] *** stippi has joined #haiku[14:59:32] <@JBurton> hey stippi[14:59:35] <schmidp> maybe just the haiku logo with a blue background, but with the current haiku logo removed from app_server[14:59:45] <stippi> hey, JBurton[15:00:01] <stippi> Logo? what?[15:00:11] <stippi> what about the logo?[15:00:32] <@JBurton> it sucks[15:00:36] <stippi> JBurton: I tihink I might just merge your drawing code and a little more from your BScrollBar.[15:00:37] <@JBurton> (joking)[15:00:38] <@Korli> stippi we need a background image :)[15:00:38] <@JBurton> :P[15:00:46] <@JBurton> stippi ok, I was thinking about just now[15:00:47] <@JBurton> :)[15:00:48] <stippi> Korli: I have one :-)[15:00:57] <@Korli> put it in CVS[15:01:01] <@Korli> hmm SVN[15:01:10] <stippi> Korli: I need to retouch it though.[15:01:27] <stippi> Korli: It shows a huge pile of bugs (real ones).[15:01:38] <stippi> Korli: Thought that was funny.[15:03:02] <stippi> JBurton: I tried your implementation, but it was missing a couple of things. I thought it is the easiest to just take your drawing code. Do you mind? Hope it doesn't hurt your feelings.[15:03:13] *** bs0 has quit IRC[15:04:16] <stippi> JBurton?[15:04:24] <@Korli> stippi I need to put up a be:bgndimginfo attribute on /boot/home/Desktop[15:04:28] <@JBurton> stippi nah, do as you wish[15:04:32] <@JBurton> don't worry[15:04:59] <stippi> JBurton: cool. You did think about some things that I forgot though, so we get the best of both.[15:05:20] <@JBurton> like ?[15:05:40] <stippi> switching to single arrows when there is not enough room.[15:05:54] <@JBurton> ah[15:06:10] <@JBurton> I hope you're using a BMessageRunner too and not a thread btw[15:06:20] <@JBurton> the thread makes things more complex[15:06:23] <@JBurton> imho[15:06:24] <stippi> but one important detail that I have in my implementation, which I kind of like, is that nowhere is a hardcoded width/height anymore.[15:06:37] <stippi> JBurton: Does it? I kept the thread.[15:06:40] <@JBurton> ouch[15:06:52] <stippi> What are the problems you are seeing?[15:06:58] <@JBurton> dunno, I removed many lines of code using the messagerunner[15:07:17] <stippi> You won't believe how many lines I removed.[15:07:17] <@JBurton> it just looked better[15:07:20] <@JBurton> :)[15:07:29] <stippi> If that's all then I'm keeping the thread.[15:07:59] <stippi> Because I think that is could potentially be smoother. Because messages might arrive with more or less delay each.[15:08:08] <@JBurton> hmm don' tknow[15:08:14] <stippi> I mean the scrolling could look smoother.[15:08:27] <@JBurton> yeah I had got the point :)[15:09:04] <stippi> And one important thing is that there is a delay before autoscrolling starts. This is missing from your implementation, though I think it would be possible to implement this with a BMessageRunner as well.[15:09:15] <@JBurton> of course[15:09:41] <stippi> Even if all you do is skip a certain ammount of messages before you react on them.[15:09:44] * Methe wonders: what's the thread / bmessagerunner thing about ?[15:10:02] <stippi> Methe: When you hold down a scrollbar button, it starts to autoscroll.[15:10:19] <Methe> yeah[15:10:48] <Methe> that's what u talked about above about "more smooth" ?[15:10:55] <stippi> JBurton: I also found a very easy way to have the autoscrolling when you click in the empty bar frame as well. And you can even drag the mouse, like on R5.[15:11:08] <@JBurton> oh, btw... the messagerunner approach avoids you to lock/unlock[15:11:32] <stippi> Methe: The scrolling events could happen at a more exact interval with the thread method. I'm not sure.[15:11:42] <stippi> JBurton: that is true.[15:11:56] <@JBurton> anyway: do as you wish, we can always change it later[15:11:57] <@JBurton> :)[15:12:11] <Methe> I guess my knowlege was wrong, I would have thought the reverse[15:12:25] <Methe> reverse = opposite[15:12:30] <stippi> JBurton: True. Maybe I leave your implementation in the code... so it doesn't get lost in the commit history.[15:13:07] <@JBurton> no, please don't keep it there, it would just made the file uglier :)[15:13:27] <stippi> Methe: Well since the thread needs to lock the window, there might be a totally unpredictable delay as well.... so I guess both methods could be equally "un-smooth".[15:13:40] <stippi> JBurton: As you wish...[15:14:05] <stippi> Ok, I'm off to work on it then...[15:14:08] <@JBurton> oki[15:14:24] <Methe> well that's not really a "delay" that peeps will notice I think. But i'll look in your code and see if anything schocks me (which would be very unprobable)[15:14:32] <Methe> which class is it ?[15:15:29] *** OrangeJuice has quit IRC[15:15:36] <@JBurton> BScrollBar. But stippi hasn't committed his version yet[15:15:36] <Methe> the> the problem I see is that with a thread u depend on the threads that are running and there priorities. maybe even on more complex system of thread timing[15:15:46] <Methe> which I don't see in a BMessageRunner[15:16:02] <Methe> but I would not be surprised if what I just said is wrong :)[15:16:15] <@JBurton> no, Methe I hadn't thought about that :)[15:16:20] <@JBurton> you're right :)[15:16:26] <Methe> erf[15:16:31] <Methe> now u're surprising me ![15:16:44] <Methe> I add a problem this year due to that[15:17:19] <tqh> hmm TestIntervals: FAILED waiting 1 seconds took 1000 msecs[15:17:25] <tqh> and that's failing?[15:18:00] <Methe> It felt like the system (a linux) would boost the priority of a just created thread for sthing like 1 100th of a second a[15:18:15] <Methe> and then set it's right priority[15:18:55] <Methe> but anyway that's more complex. a system relying on threads could end up stucks by thread priorities and feel like a windows explorer window mounting a CDROM =))))[15:19:39] <CIA-6> phoudoin * r13529 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/pulse/NormalPulseView.cpp:[15:19:39] <CIA-6> Improve GHz speed accuracy, thanks to Axel for suggesting this.[15:19:39] <CIA-6> (And, yes, that's stupid little commits, but I'm so bored at office *and* without any BeOS system to test...)[15:20:00] <@JBurton> Methe eheh[15:20:13] <Methe> ahahahahahahahahaha. that will stay in history log phoudoin ! i'm gonne send the URL to your boss =))[15:21:17] *** axeld has joined #haiku[15:21:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[15:21:20] <@JBurton> axeld yo[15:21:29] <@axeld> Hi JBurton[15:21:30] <Methe> here come King spamm0r[15:21:37] <Methe> (hi axeld =] )[15:22:16] <@Korli> hey axeld[15:22:27] <@axeld> Hi Methe, Hi Korli :)[15:25:20] <@Korli> axeld I'm wondering if we should add a background image[15:25:41] <@axeld> You mean to Tracker?[15:26:00] <@Korli> in hd image[15:26:17] <CIA-6> mmlr * r13530 /haiku/trunk/src/ (apps/stylededit/Jamfile kits/support/Jamfile): Fixed build of StyledEdit for target r5. What's the matter with the second StyledEdit in there? Also added BString back to libhaiku.a.[15:26:24] <@Korli> we lose the Haiku logo when Tracker is running[15:27:39] <@axeld> Sure, but unless we start them in the bootscript, we can be lazy about branding :-)[15:27:55] <Methe> :)[15:28:27] <@Korli> axeld yeah[15:29:08] <Konrad> Hi there[15:29:21] <Konrad> Why dont you guys add Deskbar to the bootscript, it runnes fine[15:29:35] <Konrad> ad> a symlink could be created for the applications and preferences too[15:29:56] <@axeld> Konrad: we're not in a hurry, and it doesn't run that fine yet :-)[15:30:07] <@JBurton> axeld btw, nice work with the dynamic menuitems stuff[15:30:30] <@JBurton> axeld I couldn't understand how they should've worked[15:31:14] <@Korli> axeld can I add a home/Desktop directory ?[15:31:27] <@axeld> JBurton: a look at BSlowMenu in the Tracker sources gave me the clue[15:31:38] <@axeld> JBurton: I didn't understand them before, either :)[15:31:56] <@JBurton> axeld don't you think that the menu classes are a mess, at least, the design is ?[15:32:01] <@axeld> Korli: when it's not yet there, sure :)[15:32:19] <@axeld> JBurton: probably - at least they seem hard to understand[15:32:27] <@JBurton> axeld yeah[15:32:41] <@JBurton> and everyone's a friend of everyone[15:33:25] <CIA-6> korli * r13531 /haiku/trunk/makehdimage: added a home/Desktop, will store background image info too[15:33:49] <@Korli> axeld which audio card do you own ?[15:34:24] <@axeld> Korli: built-in ICH4 or so[15:35:05] <@JBurton> Korli looks like you have to "fix" marcus's driver too :)[15:35:46] <@Korli> axeld ich_ac97 doesn't load on haiku because it uses read_io_*[15:36:21] <@Korli> I can apply auvia changes to ich_ac97[15:36:21] <@axeld> Korli: ah, I didn't look into that yet[15:36:35] <@axeld> Korli: sure, but we might want to export these as well (read_io_*)[15:36:42] <@axeld> for compatibility[15:36:49] <@Korli> axeld R3 compatibility[15:37:00] <@axeld> sure, but at least our own drivers shouldn't depend on this :-)[15:37:14] <@axeld> so let's fix our drivers first, and then care about compatibility :-)[15:37:23] <@Korli> I think we should drop this R3 support when possible[15:37:30] <@axeld> Korli: do you have sound under Haiku?[15:37:45] <@Korli> axeld no VPC has a ISA sound card[15:37:52] <@axeld> pity :-)[15:38:07] <@axeld> it would be great if you could update ich_ac97 driver[15:38:20] <@Korli> ok not that long[15:38:35] <Konrad> Why isnt it working?[15:38:54] <CIA-6> mmlr * r13532 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/stylededit/Jamfile: Removed second variation of StyledEdit as it's, according to Stefano, not needed anymore.[15:39:04] <@axeld> Konrad: what? :)[15:39:09] <Konrad> ich_97[15:39:27] <@axeld> Konrad: because the kernel doesn't export some "deprecated" symbols yet[15:39:30] <Konrad> AC97 sound cards, the driver isnt working on R5 either (Atleast for me)[15:39:43] <Konrad> axeld aha oki[15:40:01] <@axeld> Konrad: I don't think I have tested it under R5 yet :-)[15:40:09] <@JBurton> axeld shouldn't you be away ?[15:40:17] <@axeld> JBurton: tomorrow :)[15:40:27] <@JBurton> ah okay :)[15:40:46] <@JBurton> btw...[15:40:46] <@JBurton> http://burton666.neoni.net/shots/clock.png[15:40:54] <@JBurton> it hangs the app server, thougha[15:40:55] <@JBurton> axeld[15:41:34] <@axeld> JBurton: that one worked fine over here, without any problems[15:41:50] <@axeld> JBurton: and even Minesweeper is working - unless you win, because that kills the app_server ;-))[15:41:51] <@JBurton> maybe it's my image, then[15:41:54] <@JBurton> axeld :)[15:42:02] <@JBurton> the image I have is not up-to-date[15:42:08] <@JBurton> did you try Magnify, btw ?[15:42:23] <@axeld> JBurton: yes, but I only see a black rectangle[15:42:31] <lemon> axeld: what system (Dano/PPC , Linux) and buildtools (Oliver's or smth) you was used to build haiku on PPC ? and what PPC plaform exactly was ?[15:42:34] <@axeld> (where the zoomed window should be)[15:42:39] <@axeld> Hi lemon[15:42:44] <@JBurton> axeld yeah same here[15:42:59] <@axeld> lemon: there is no Dano/PPC - BeOS discarded PPC support after R5 for some unknown reason[15:43:11] <@axeld> lemon: I build on Linux PPC with GCC 3.3[15:43:26] <TheGreatDane> beep beep[15:43:29] <@axeld> lemon: but only some parts compile, most doesn't[15:43:41] <@axeld> lemon: the kernel, boot_loader, etc. is compiling, though[15:43:58] <lemon> shure with no compatibility at all ...[15:44:20] <@axeld> JBurton: btw, ShowImage is also working, though a bit strange (it seems to forget the menu settings, and there is a hole in the window...)[15:44:29] <@JBurton> oh[15:44:31] <@JBurton> nice, though[15:44:34] <@axeld> lemon?[15:44:36] <@JBurton> we have lots of apps working[15:44:55] <@axeld> JBurton: well, "working" is a bit too much - they seem to run :-))[15:45:02] <TheGreatDane> tic[15:45:03] *** Konrad has quit IRC[15:45:06] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[15:45:12] <TheGreatDane> Hi Konrad![15:45:18] *** Konrad has quit IRC[15:45:23] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[15:45:26] <Dr3w|Work> hey axeld.[15:45:28] <TheGreatDane> bye Konrad hi Konrad[15:45:29] *** Konrad has quit IRC[15:45:31] <@JBurton> axeld eheh[15:45:33] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[15:45:34] <TheGreatDane> bye Konrad[15:45:35] <@axeld> Hi Dr3w|Work[15:45:36] <TheGreatDane> Hi Konrad[15:46:00] *** Konrad has quit IRC[15:46:04] <@JBurton> brb coffee time[15:46:08] *** Konrad77 has joined #haiku[15:46:12] <TheGreatDane> "people come and go so quickly here" - Alice in Wonderland[15:46:55] <lemon> axeld: i know man who has Dano/PPC[15:46:56] <TheGreatDane> oops, no, Wizard of Oz[15:47:17] <Konrad77> Hmm[15:47:19] <Konrad77> I think I regestred that nick konrad[15:47:24] <Dr3w|Work> bfs shoudl build for powerpc[15:47:34] <lemon> axeld: may be it would be useful ?[15:48:31] <lemon> axeld: why paging thread eat 25% of time ?[15:51:10] <JosephSpiros> Hmm, OSNews has a thing on Tracker working with app_server[15:51:21] <JosephSpiros> Unfortunately all links are dead, anyone have any pretty screenshots?[15:51:25] * JosephSpiros likes screenshots ;x[15:51:51] <Methe> see comments on osnews JosephSpiros[15:52:02] <Konrad77> JosephSpiros I have some from today[15:52:10] <JosephSpiros> Konrad77: do you now?[15:52:17] <Konrad77> http://beos.redirectme.net/DeskbarApplications%2Epng[15:52:23] <Konrad77> http://beos.redirectme.net/DeskbarConfig%2Epng[15:52:31] <Konrad77> http://beos.redirectme.net/DeskbarMoved%2Epng[15:52:35] <JosephSpiros> Pretty pretty[15:52:39] <lemon> axeld: i mean why not to use native BeOS environment on PPC (if it ELF) and to build Haku there[15:52:39] <Konrad77> http://beos.redirectme.net/SomeApps%2Epng[15:52:54] <Konrad77> http://beos.redirectme.net/TrackerInfo%2Epng[15:52:55] <JosephSpiros> I've been wondering when a blue feather was going to turn up :-)[15:52:58] <lemon> axeld: and aswer about second question about cpu load :))[15:53:03] <lemon> answer[15:53:04] <Konrad77> http://beos.redirectme.net/TrackerNavigation%2Epng[15:54:28] <@axeld> lemon: BeOS don't use ELF on PPC[15:54:37] <JosephSpiros> It used COFF didn't it?[15:54:44] <JosephSpiros> No, wait, what?[15:54:46] <JosephSpiros> It used uhhh[15:54:46] <@axeld> lemon: the paging demon is pretty dumb right now[15:54:54] <lemon> axeld: R5 didnt[15:54:58] <JosephSpiros> Lame, whatever it was Codewarrior could compile to[15:55:10] <lemon> axeld: but i talk about Dano/PPC[15:55:15] <JosephSpiros> PEF?[15:55:24] <lemon> BeOS/R5/PEF[15:55:50] <@axeld> lemon: I don't no nothing about Dano/PPC, and we can hardly depend anything on such a piece of software[15:55:52] <@Korli> axeld Marcus could be angry after making changes in his driver :)[15:56:05] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:56:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[15:57:16] *** tqh has quit IRC[15:57:20] <JosephSpiros> Konrad77: thanks for the shots :)[15:57:24] <lemon> axeld: why depends... just using Dano/PPC as we do now R5/Intel and use original Oliver's gcc ....[15:57:29] <Konrad77> JosephSpiros np[15:58:23] <Methe> Konrad77 : what's the app with a wiundow "mail/aim/msn" at bottom of your shot: http://beos.redirectme.net/SomeApps%2Epng[15:58:24] <Methe> ?[15:58:51] <lemon> axeld: not simple "use" more like try to build :)[15:58:54] <Konrad77> Ah its an app do to livequeries with, checks mail and IMKit[15:59:07] <@axeld> Korli: yeah, but with you ;-P[15:59:11] <Methe> what's its name Konrad77 ?[15:59:12] <Konrad77> Hmm, you dont do them, the app does[15:59:18] <Dr3w|Work> do you have to do anything special to start Tracker? I am doing Tracker & but it don't run :-/[15:59:21] <CIA-6> korli * r13533 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/ac97/ich/ (config.c ich.c io.c):[15:59:21] <CIA-6> now uses pci module instead of read_io* and write_io*, untested[15:59:21] <CIA-6> (hopes Marcus won't mind :))[15:59:24] <lemon> axeld: i think this is lay down to haiku conception. isnt it?[15:59:25] <@axeld> Korli: but honestly, I don't think he would care when you do a change like this[15:59:27] <Konrad77> I call it TodayReplicant, but I havent released it yet[15:59:35] <Methe> Konrad77 plz do =))[15:59:40] <Konrad77> Haha[15:59:52] <@Korli> axeld we'll see[16:00:40] *** tqh has joined #haiku[16:00:54] <@axeld> lemon: what are you aiming at? I don't think I can follow you[16:01:31] *** slaad has quit IRC[16:01:42] <Konrad77> Methe here it is in R5 http://beos.redirectme.net/Replicant%2Epng[16:02:11] <lemon> axeld: ok... i'll try to build gcc 2.95.3 on Dano/PPC[16:02:28] <lemon> to show you what i mean[16:02:30] <@axeld> lemon: okay, if you have the possibility, fine :-)[16:02:40] <Konrad77> Methe give me your email, and Ill send you a copy to you[16:02:57] <@axeld> lemon: dunno, though, if it can be built as PPC version, but we would certainly accept patches that change it :)[16:03:02] *** Koki has joined #haiku[16:03:24] * Dr3w|Work nods[16:04:36] <CIA-6> stippi * r13534 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (RootLayer.cpp RootLayer.h ServerWindow.cpp): when a Layer or WinBorder is deleted, the RootLayer gets a chance to set some important pointers it keeps arround to NULL. It is not unlikely that this improves stability a bit.[16:06:18] <@JBurton> ew[16:08:15] *** znation has quit IRC[16:08:27] <Dr3w|Work> To build PPC we need to patch binutils and gcc to produce Haiku elf's, then get the the build system working on Linux - *then* we can start the porting and driver writing.[16:09:01] <Dr3w|Work> lemon: to be honest, your probably best not spending time on Dano/PPC if you ahve it. No one else does, so no one else is going to be able to help.[16:09:32] *** evdubs has joined #haiku[16:09:40] <Dr3w|Work> Plus, any improvements to the tree will be better if Haiku can be built under another OS really, it would help for other things.[16:09:55] <@JBurton> axeld still around ?[16:10:15] <@axeld> JBurton: yes[16:10:34] <@JBurton> axeld okay. Have you had a look at the Event Mask stuff within rootlayer ?[16:10:44] <lemon> Dr3w|Work, i can build Haiku on Linux[16:10:57] <lemon> thats ok for you ?[16:11:23] <@axeld> JBurton: briefly[16:11:40] <@JBurton> axeld currently IMHO is too complex[16:11:57] <@JBurton> I think we should move some of the handling to the client[16:12:09] <Dr3w|Work> lemon: only the kernel and libs are vaid though, otherwise your just producing linux binaries I think.[16:12:09] *** znation has joined #haiku[16:12:24] <stippi> JBurton: We have talked about that yesterday too. Yes. some of it could be moved to client.[16:12:30] <@JBurton> stippi ah okay[16:12:36] <lemon> Dr3w|Work: i Produce Hello World that run on Haiku and BeOS[16:12:47] <@JBurton> the app server just need to know that there is a view within a given window interested in input events[16:12:50] <@JBurton> stippi & axeld[16:12:56] <stippi> exactly[16:12:58] <Dr3w|Work> Yes, thats i586-pc-beos binaries though.[16:13:21] <@JBurton> the BWindow would then care about finding the view[16:13:23] <@axeld> JBurton: we came to the same conclusion yesterday, although we thought to postpone the implementation a bit[16:13:28] <stippi> JBurton: Yep.[16:13:36] <@JBurton> axeld & stippi sure[16:13:53] <@JBurton> I hoped I had a "fresh" idea[16:13:56] <@JBurton> I came too late :)[16:14:02] <@Korli> axeld there is obviously something going wrong with the changes i did in ich_ac97 (or it kills the kernel by itself)[16:14:20] <@axeld> Korli: how did you test this?[16:14:33] <@Korli> in VPC loading the driver[16:15:10] <@axeld> Korli: just loading it?[16:15:43] <@Korli> don't know I suppose it loads and segfault[16:15:53] <@Korli> because it wasn't loading before[16:16:12] <@Korli> ls /dev/audio/multi/ to load an audio driver btw[16:17:26] <@axeld> Korli: but when that happens in the detection code, it should be easy to find and fix, no? :-[16:18:02] *** Euver has quit IRC[16:18:30] <@Korli> axeld enabling debug :)[16:29:22] <@JBurton> http://www.drobe.co.uk/riscos/artifact1391.html[16:33:27] <CIA-6> stippi * r13535 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): usability improvements to scrollbar, sorry had no time to include all of Stefanos drawing code yet, other visual improvements[16:33:30] *** Mazon is now known as mazon[16:39:40] <@Korli> axeld why do I have a KDL without onscreen KDL ?[16:40:16] <@JBurton> Korli have you enabled the onscreen KDL option ?[16:40:24] <@axeld> "bluescreen true"[16:40:26] <@axeld> ?[16:40:37] <@JBurton> it's not on by default, Korli[16:40:52] <@JBurton> axeld oh, btw... have you tried using the mouse when in KDL ?[16:41:04] <@axeld> JBurton: yes, looks great -P[16:41:07] <@JBurton> eheh[16:41:12] <@JBurton> can't we disable it in some way ?[16:41:33] <@axeld> JBurton: sure, that's just a bug in the keyboard reader[16:41:42] <@JBurton> ah okay[16:41:44] *** DarthVader has joined #haiku[16:41:53] <@axeld> feel free to fix it ;-)[16:41:57] <@JBurton> :P[16:42:15] <@JBurton> I'll pass for now axeld :)[16:43:15] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[16:43:56] <@axeld> hehe[16:47:55] <@Korli> axeld bluescreen isn't on by default ?![16:48:13] <@axeld> Korli: nope, just like on R5 :-)[16:48:17] <@axeld> (or is it?)[16:48:20] <@JBurton> is it[16:48:22] <@JBurton> enabled[16:48:23] <@JBurton> by[16:48:24] <@JBurton> default[16:48:25] <@JBurton> on> on[16:48:25] <@JBurton> r5[16:48:26] <@JBurton> :)[16:49:28] <@Korli> axeld enabling load_symbols too ... :)[16:49:32] <lemon> there is no bluescreen there is whitescreen :)[16:49:43] <@axeld> lemon: true enough :-)[16:49:51] <@JBurton> yeah always wondered why it's called bluescreen[16:49:56] <@Korli> axeld why gdb needs rebuilding sometimes is beyond me[16:49:59] <@axeld> JBurton: on webmail? :))[16:50:11] <@axeld> Korli: same here[16:50:17] <@JBurton> axeld eheh[16:50:20] <@Korli> I put it out[16:50:34] <@axeld> JBurton: but you wanted to say "it is" not "is it", right?[16:50:34] <@JBurton> well you'll have noticed I switched webmailer[16:50:40] <@JBurton> axeld yeah[16:50:41] <@Korli> axeld there must be bugs in jam ...[16:50:42] <@JBurton> sorry[16:50:47] <@axeld> Korli: load_symbols is currently always on[16:50:55] <@axeld> Korli: yes, definitely[16:51:01] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[16:51:21] <@axeld> JBurton: then we should it turn on, too[16:51:36] <@JBurton> I thought you left it off deliberately[16:51:59] <@axeld> well, since it seems to work more or less good... :)[16:52:15] <@JBurton> yeah I vote for turning it on[16:55:53] <@Korli> axeld this cpu routine wait time on VPC gives me the time to press the spacebar ... :)[16:56:37] <@Korli> axeld onscreen KDL is veryvery fast[16:56:43] <CIA-6> mmlr * r13536 /haiku/trunk/ReadMe: Updated the readme file for real. Feel free to correct any mistakes.[16:56:47] <@Korli> I saw the bug[16:57:22] <@axeld> Korli: you mean we should discard the app_server and only use KDL because it's so fast? :-)[16:57:40] <@axeld> Korli: then we would need to bug mmu_man to write an office app for KDL, too :)[16:58:16] <@mmu_man> yeah \o/[16:58:21] <@JBurton> :=)[16:59:00] <Dr3w|Work> how about getting the *_server's runing in KDL? That will really help things :)[16:59:25] <@axeld> Dr3w|Work: hang man is not enough for you?[16:59:39] <@Korli> axeld mmu_man already did it in his basement[16:59:41] <@JBurton> do we have a KDL hang man ?[16:59:57] <Dr3w|Work> I would settle for nothing less than KDLQuake.[17:00:09] <@JBurton> text based ? :)[17:00:42] <@mmu_man> ascii art[17:00:47] <@mmu_man> using libcaca[17:02:34] <@axeld> JBurton: mmu_man wrote a driver for it, but it's not in our repository (bebits?)[17:03:04] <@JBurton> oh[17:03:05] <@JBurton> cool[17:04:21] <@mmu_man> beshare probably[17:04:33] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[17:05:03] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[17:05:07] <@JBurton> is someone available for some bugfixing ? Korli ? axeld ? :)[17:05:18] <@mmu_man> you ? :p[17:05:25] <@JBurton> I have a good excuse[17:05:29] <@JBurton> I should be working :)[17:05:59] *** xeD has quit IRC[17:06:10] <@axeld> JBurton: what bugs? but I don't have much time right now[17:06:20] <@JBurton> axeld that's very simple[17:06:25] <@axeld> (still working on the slides for the presentation :-))[17:06:34] <@JBurton> get the MenuWorld sample app from the sample code[17:06:46] <@JBurton> add a menu, click on the listview item[17:07:00] <@JBurton> there's a crash inside BView::Invalidate()[17:07:05] <Dr3w|Work> I am going to the WalterCon next year if it is Europe.[17:07:12] <Dr3w|Work> hell, I will arrange it if its in the UK![17:07:15] <@JBurton> axeld oh, that's a serious thing, then :)[17:07:19] <@JBurton> (the presentation)[17:08:41] <@axeld> JBurton: when started under Haiku? R5 with Haiku app_server or R5 with Haiku menus?[17:09:31] <@JBurton> haiku app server under r5[17:09:53] <@Korli> axeld when a driver doesn't find supported devices, it should return ENODEV no ?[17:12:41] <@axeld> Korli: or some other error[17:13:29] <@Korli> ok the system displays General system error, which is a bit weird[17:14:12] <tqh> RiscOS ported an Nvidia graphics accelerator from BeOS :)[17:14:26] <tqh> http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11127[17:15:09] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[17:15:24] <@JBurton> yeah[17:16:23] <SiCuTDeUx> Hello!!![17:17:10] *** Konrad77 has quit IRC[17:20:10] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[17:23:22] <@JBurton> bye all[17:23:24] <@JBurton> I'm off[17:23:27] <@Korli> bye JBurton[17:23:34] *** JBurton has quit IRC[17:25:18] <CIA-6> korli * r13537 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/ac97/ich/ich.c: forgot this one[17:25:38] <@Korli> axeld ich_ac97 loads ok on Haiku[17:26:56] <@axeld> Korli: great! I'll give it try later[17:27:19] <@axeld> R5 media player runs on Haiku as well, maybe it can put out some sound later, too :-)[17:27:49] <Methe> #define LATER[17:27:52] <Methe> =))[17:28:04] <@Korli> axeld R5 media player is usable with our media kit[17:28:28] <@axeld> Methe: later today[17:28:42] * Methe falls over[17:29:03] <@Korli> axeld I'm wondering if we have a cmdline media player in our tree[17:29:15] <@axeld> Korli: playwav[17:29:59] <@Korli> ok[17:30:15] <@Korli> axeld btw SoundRecorder can play audio files too[17:30:27] <@Korli> on BeOS[17:30:49] *** MikeW has quit IRC[17:30:51] *** bs0 has joined #haiku[17:30:56] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13538 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/private/app/AppMisc.h src/kits/app/AppMisc.cpp):[17:30:56] <CIA-6> * Introduced is_app_showing_modal_window(). Not implemented yet. Maybe[17:30:56] <CIA-6> someone with app server insight wants to do that. :-)[17:30:56] <CIA-6> * Simplified main_thread_for() for Haiku.[17:33:27] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13539 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/ (5 files):[17:33:27] <CIA-6> * Background applications are now ask to quit in parallel.[17:33:27] <CIA-6> * Implemented handling of apps blocking on modal windows.[17:33:27] <CIA-6> * Fixed a few bugs.[17:35:29] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13540 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/registrar/ (4 files):[17:35:29] <CIA-6> Added a few apps for testing the shutdown process.[17:35:29] <CIA-6> user_shutdown_reply reliably crashes the app server when pressing one[17:35:29] <CIA-6> of its buttons (during the shutdown process at least).[17:37:04] <CIA-6> korli * r13541 /haiku/trunk/makehdimage: added matroska, as it now builds for haiku[17:39:21] <SiCuTDeUx> axeld, when do you start your presentation in partyzipa???[17:39:55] <@axeld> Saturday afternoon[17:40:17] <SiCuTDeUx> nice[17:40:25] <SiCuTDeUx> i'll be watching you![17:40:29] <SiCuTDeUx> jejejeje[17:40:38] <SiCuTDeUx> by the way my name is Axzel![17:40:52] <SiCuTDeUx> almost TOCAYOS!!![17:41:10] <SiCuTDeUx> Tocayos meens 2 persons with the same name in spanish![17:45:15] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[17:52:01] <CIA-6> axeld * r13542 /haiku/trunk/makehdimage:[17:52:01] <CIA-6> Added JPEGTranslator and GIFTranslator (they even work fine under Haiku).[17:52:01] <CIA-6> Small cleanup.[17:53:49] <@mmu_man> :)[17:54:30] <@Korli> SiCuTDeUx you're putting pressure on axeld :)[17:55:24] <@axeld> SiCuTDeUx: probably just the spanish version of it. Are you attending Partyzipa?[17:55:48] *** motoyama has joined #haiku[17:55:51] <SiCuTDeUx> jejeje no!!! just remaind him that we are with him, we support him in every step he takes, and we are BeOS - Haiku Brothers![17:56:44] <SiCuTDeUx> axeld, unfortunatly no! iam stuck in venezuela, because i cant get the $ to go!!![17:57:11] <@axeld> SiCuTDeUx: well, Venezuela is a good excuse - that's pretty far away :-)[17:57:17] <SiCuTDeUx> yeah![17:57:49] <SiCuTDeUx> the goverment doesnt allow $ free exchange now[17:57:56] <SiCuTDeUx> so... its many trouble to find dolars[17:57:58] <SiCuTDeUx> or euros[17:59:11] <SiCuTDeUx> axeld, the spanish comunity of Haiku BeOS will join you there, those that cant asist have you in there hearts![17:59:29] <SiCuTDeUx> thank god for all of you![17:59:38] <SiCuTDeUx> my english is so rude!!! jejeje[17:59:48] <@axeld> :-)[17:59:52] <@axeld> SiCuTDeUx: be welcome[18:00:04] <SiCuTDeUx> yeah![18:00:07] <SiCuTDeUx> thanks![18:00:20] <motoyama> SiCuTDeUx go to brasil :)[18:00:42] <SiCuTDeUx> the same problem motoyama[18:00:59] <motoyama> why?[18:01:05] <SiCuTDeUx> iCuTDeUx> i cant get out unless i can change my monny from bolivares to $[18:01:11] <SiCuTDeUx> money![18:01:17] <motoyama> brasil use real not dolar[18:01:44] <SiCuTDeUx> yeah!!! but all money exchange in venezuela is regulated for the goberment![18:02:03] <motoyama> you change inside brazil[18:02:11] <motoyama> not in venezuela[18:02:25] <SiCuTDeUx> iCuTDeUx> i got to fill like a million forms to change a limit of 4000 $[18:02:36] <SiCuTDeUx> and that doesn arshure anything[18:02:57] <SiCuTDeUx> iCuTDeUx> i mest up![18:02:57] <SiCuTDeUx> jejeje[18:03:09] <motoyama> la fronteira!!![18:03:18] <SiCuTDeUx> bolivar outside of venezuela it doesent worth anything[18:03:36] <Dr3w|Work> later folks[18:03:36] <SiCuTDeUx> no body changes it! i dont now why![18:03:45] *** Dr3w|Work has quit IRC[18:04:13] <SiCuTDeUx> not even in colombia that is the most nearest country![18:04:27] <motoyama> strange im brazil like AMAPA change i guess[18:04:52] <motoyama> change dollares, EURO, real....[18:06:44] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[18:07:20] <SiCuTDeUx> this situation is making venezuelas angry![18:07:34] <SiCuTDeUx> venezuelans![18:08:00] <motoyama> que asco :P[18:08:11] *** mahlzeit has joined #haiku[18:08:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mahlzeit[18:08:37] <SiCuTDeUx> axeld, when you guys have some docummentation let me now i can traduce it to spannish and posteit in www.haikudocs.org[18:08:50] <SiCuTDeUx> iam making a wiki in spanish![18:09:12] <SiCuTDeUx> si motoyama[18:09:23] <motoyama> :)[18:09:45] <@axeld> SiCuTDeUx: thanks for the offer - this will be a lot of work, though :)[18:09:57] <CIA-6> mmlr * r13543 /haiku/trunk/ReadMe: Fixed typo reported by Daniel Furrer.[18:10:00] <SiCuTDeUx> yeah![18:10:10] <SiCuTDeUx> but its the fundationg to get new users![18:10:36] <SiCuTDeUx> have a good and easy howtoo's[18:16:04] <@axeld> definitely, I just meant the translation :-)[18:17:35] * motoyama bebochs is sloww to boot haiku :([18:18:03] <AnEvilYak> bebochs is slow to do just about anything :)[18:19:39] <motoyama> my DOS not :P[18:19:40] <@axeld> it's slow, but it's a big help for kernel debugging, probably the best one around[18:20:18] <motoyama> the first image 3 years ago boot nice and faster :)[18:21:37] * motoyama i hate consumer bug in net+[18:22:40] <CIA-6> phoudoin * r13544 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/ShutdownProcess.cpp: Fixed a bug. I think. Let's hope. Will see... Otherwise, I'm sorry. Really. (Untested).[18:23:04] <SiCuTDeUx> hehehehe yeah axeld[18:24:56] *** Ska has quit IRC[18:26:39] <CIA-6> axeld * r13545 /haiku/trunk/data/system/boot/SetupEnvironment: Small fix.[18:30:26] <@Korli> axeld do you know what "#pragma once" is for ?[18:31:03] <@axeld> Korli: where?[18:31:11] <@axeld> Korli: could be some header guard[18:31:14] <@mahlzeit> it's for including the file only once[18:31:20] <@Korli> in the canna input method[18:31:20] <@mahlzeit> instead of header guards, indeed[18:33:17] <@mmu_man> it's to avoid having the #ifndef FOO_H ...[18:33:22] <@mmu_man> that is #include only once[18:33:34] *** eNGIMa_ has joined #haiku[18:42:20] *** motoyama has quit IRC[18:45:41] <CIA-6> stippi * r13546 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ScrollBar.cpp: simplified the arrow look, still needs improvements, but I think they are better than before, some small display bugs remain, as well as some flickering, but no show-stopper[18:46:41] *** agentmumu has quit IRC[18:48:43] *** dabeej has joined #haiku[18:49:06] *** eNGIMa has quit IRC[18:51:12] <schmidp> Korli: a few media plugins don't build for me[18:51:35] <schmidp> they are looking for libz.a in distro/.../develop/x86/[18:51:38] <schmidp> but it's not there[18:51:47] <@Korli> schmidp rebuild libz :)[18:53:06] <@mmu_man> hmm bad doing a .a for libz[18:53:09] *** Begasus has quit IRC[18:53:11] *** schmidp is now known as agentmumu[18:53:21] <agentmumu> Korli: ah ok :)[18:53:37] <@mmu_man> that gives libpng with libz in and then some buggy app don't work because they don't link to libz[18:53:38] <@axeld> agentmumu: that's obviously some bug in Jam - you should try to build them separately (not in makehdimage)[18:53:42] <SiCuTDeUx> axeld, when is the deskbar ready??? i cant wait![18:53:45] <SiCuTDeUx> jejeje[18:53:53] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[18:53:59] <@axeld> SiCuTDeUx: Deskbar is already working, much better than Tracker[18:54:36] <@Korli> axeld yeah our ar task doesn't care if some object files are missing, so you can produce a bad .a file[18:55:17] <SiCuTDeUx> yeah?[18:55:29] <Konrad> SiCuTDeUx here is quite good Haiku in action shot http://beos.redirectme.net/HaikuInAction%2Epng[18:57:05] <@axeld> Korli: how to fix it?[18:58:09] <@axeld> Konrad: you needed to open the apps quite fast before Haiku crashed, right? ;-)[18:58:19] <Konrad> Nah, =)[18:58:29] <Konrad> The apps never crashes, the app_server does[18:58:56] <Konrad> I never used my Reset button this frequently[18:59:13] <@axeld> Korli: Apparently, we have another build dependency: is the MIME type database build from source files? Are they flattened BMessages?[19:00:02] <@Korli> axeld check object files existence before running ar in Archive action, but it's a core jam action ...[19:00:26] <@mmu_man> axeld it's stored as messages in attributes IIRC...[19:00:54] <@mmu_man> is it built at all ?[19:01:21] <@axeld> mmu_man: that could explain why Deskbar crashes on my Dano build, but works on my R5 build[19:01:57] <@mmu_man> ah ?[19:02:32] <@Korli> axeld mime database is built in makehdimage[19:02:33] <@mmu_man> in zeta we have a script made from setmime --dumpAll[19:02:48] <@axeld> mmu_man: I did a very simplistic Dano message reader for Haiku (for settings files) :-)[19:02:52] <@Korli> with rc xres resattr[19:02:53] <SiCuTDeUx> axeld, wen can we spect a haiku rc1?[19:02:53] <@mmu_man> but it works on the host's db[19:03:10] <@axeld> SiCuTDeUx: I have no idea[19:03:19] <@mmu_man> axeld ah... FOB2 ?[19:03:42] <@axeld> mmu_man: exactly[19:03:42] <SiCuTDeUx> axeld, to much work to get to the rc1?[19:03:42] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[19:04:11] <@axeld> SiCuTDeUx: there is still a mountain ahead of us - but it's small compared to the one we're coming from :-)[19:04:21] <scanty> random question, maybe someone here can help me out.... what does it mean if I get an undefined refernce to somebody's vtable?[19:05:24] <SiCuTDeUx> axeld, you now what would be nice??? iptables in Haiku!!! so i can share my internet conection with my others computers[19:05:36] <SiCuTDeUx> Haiku Internet Server!!!! so cool![19:05:45] <scanty> you can use nat for that, SiCuTDeUx[19:06:01] <@mmu_man> just port BSD's NAT[19:06:07] <scanty> but I wouldn't recommend it, on BeOS[19:06:15] <@mmu_man> it's what Be did for ipalias[19:06:39] <SiCuTDeUx> oh![19:07:05] <scanty> hardware routers are fairly cheap these days anyway[19:07:21] <SiCuTDeUx> yeah[19:07:25] * Konrad is idle: BRB[19:07:28] <SiCuTDeUx> not here anyway[19:07:33] *** Mazon has quit IRC[19:07:46] <scanty> well, either way you'd need a PC and a couple of ethernet cards.....[19:07:54] <scanty> depending on how many computers are sharingthe connection.[19:07:57] *** mazon has joined #haiku[19:08:07] <scanty> of course, if you have a lot of extra hardware laying around, it's not a big deal.[19:08:24] <scanty> but I think something like OpenBSD is better suited for running a NAT router[19:08:31] <SiCuTDeUx> yeah[19:08:50] <SiCuTDeUx> currently winxp does the routing[19:08:57] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[19:08:57] <SiCuTDeUx> but is so lame![19:09:20] <agentmumu> hm, just tried a fresh haiku image which got into app_server but then hang up, no mouse and no miniterminal[19:10:41] <scanty> any takers for my question RE the vtable?[19:10:51] <AnEvilYak> what was the question?[19:11:25] <scanty> Undefined symbol vtable[19:11:32] <AnEvilYak> um...[19:11:34] <AnEvilYak> care to elaborate?[19:11:36] <AnEvilYak> I didn't see it[19:12:00] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[19:12:11] <scanty> it's in my own code....[19:12:16] <scanty> not haiku related[19:12:22] <scanty> but I thought someone here might be able to offer me some infos.[19:12:54] <AnEvilYak> um[19:12:58] <AnEvilYak> vtable or symbol table?[19:13:03] <AnEvilYak> the vtable is for resolving virtual functions[19:13:22] <scanty> Undefined first referenced[19:13:22] <scanty> symbol in file[19:13:22] <scanty> vtable for Mapper118 Mapper.o[19:13:22] <scanty> ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to pretendo[19:13:36] <scanty> ah[19:14:03] <SiCuTDeUx> where can i find that haiku deskbar?[19:14:16] <AnEvilYak> never seen that ld error before[19:14:46] <scanty> me either ^_^[19:17:02] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:17:11] <CIA-6> korli * r13547 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/input_server/methods/canna/ (canna/cannabuild.h lib/Jamfile rk/Jamfile): avoids warnings[19:17:34] <scanty> must be a solaris issue.... builds fine on linux with same gcc[19:17:37] <scanty> same version, rather[19:21:14] <@Korli> axeld my current PC has Hyperthreading and it seems VPC can't go above 50% of the CPU[19:22:16] <@axeld> Korli: we don't do SMP anyway yet :-)[19:22:25] <dos4gw> Hallo axeld![19:22:27] <@axeld> (it's still disabled)[19:22:29] <@axeld> Hi dos4gw[19:22:39] <dos4gw> auch ich bin nach 11 stunden zurück von der Arbeit :([19:22:50] <@axeld> dos4gw: nicht schlecht... :/[19:22:55] <@Korli> axeld yeah but it means VPC isn't going to use the second CPU anyway[19:23:49] <@Korli> I should try to deactivate HT[19:26:01] *** Ghostride has quit IRC[19:26:56] *** SkaBOT has left #haiku[19:29:23] *** Ghostride has joined #haiku[19:29:41] *** Methe has quit IRC[19:31:12] *** TheGreatDane has quit IRC[19:31:32] *** Korli has quit IRC[19:31:57] *** ChrisK077 has joined #haiku[19:41:12] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[19:45:09] <Ghostride> Whats the procedure for building haiku on Zeta R1? I just installed Zeta yesterday, and haiku doesn't build. I've installed Oliver Tappes latest gcc (gcc version 2.95.3-beos-041202)[19:45:44] <Ghostride> Is there anything else I have to do to get it building?[19:46:52] <scanty> "doesn't build" is kind of vague.. ^_^[19:47:31] <Ghostride> Seems to fail with:[19:47:34] <Ghostride> Yacc1 objects/x86.R1/bin/bash/parse.c objects/x86.R1/bin/flex/parse.h[19:47:35] <Ghostride> conflicts: 1 shift/reduce[19:47:35] <Ghostride> YaccMv objects/x86.R1/bin/bash/parse.c objects/x86.R1/bin/flex/parse.h[19:47:36] <Ghostride> /bin/mv: cannot move `y.tab.h' to `objects/x86.R1/bin/flex/parse.h': No such file or directory[19:48:17] <Ghostride> after that everything else fails[19:48:28] <scanty> ah[19:48:43] <scanty> I've never actually tried building haiku, but perhaps someone else here can assist you.[19:50:24] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[19:52:25] <Ghostride> The full build output: http://home.no.net/vegardwa/bestuff/build.log[19:53:53] <@mahlzeit> maybe another version of flex / bison?[20:01:46] <@axeld> that could be it, I remember having seen that error some time ago[20:01:47] <Ghostride> Hmm, flex --version and bison --version returns the same as on R5 on another machine, which have been able to build haiku on[20:02:37] <Ghostride> (flex version 2.5.4, bison version 1.28)[20:02:37] <@mahlzeit> well, there error seems to be in the YaccMv command, not really in Yacc1[20:07:34] *** dos4gw has quit IRC[20:08:14] <Dr_Evil> Ghostride did you do a ./configure after installing the new compiler?[20:08:22] <Ghostride> Dr_Evil: yup[20:08:49] <Dr_Evil> then I don't know[20:09:08] <@mahlzeit> is the file y.tab.h actually being generated?[20:09:21] <Ghostride> lemme check[20:09:54] <@mahlzeit> and y.tab.c -- my guess is not[20:10:09] <scanty> hehe.... y.tab.[20:10:19] <@mahlzeit> coincidence ;-)[20:10:56] <scanty> indeed[20:14:07] <Ghostride> y.tab.h seems to have been generated, there is one at haiku/trunk. no y.tab.c, though[20:15:28] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[20:15:33] *** evdubs has quit IRC[20:16:57] <@mahlzeit> then somehow yacc/bison failed[20:17:31] <@mahlzeit> normally a shift/reduce conflict shouldn't break the build, but you can configure this in the .y source, i believe[20:18:18] <Ghostride> ok.[20:20:46] *** Methe has joined #haiku[20:21:29] *** Methe has quit IRC[20:23:30] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[20:25:48] *** evdubs has joined #haiku[20:37:44] * McCall just went for a 15 minute run to try out his new running shoes.[20:38:04] <McCall> they are nicely fitting, secure and offer good support to all parts of the foot.[20:38:42] <McCall> I recommend New Balance running trainers to anyone who wants to get fit running on the road in comfort.[20:38:45] <McCall> :)[20:40:34] *** Leo42 has joined #haiku[20:46:32] <evdubs> lol, i think we have a new balance representative in the channel ;x[20:47:02] *** Korli has joined #haiku[20:47:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[20:47:45] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[20:50:06] *** __nitro__ has joined #haiku[20:50:10] <__nitro__> hi all[20:52:04] <ChrisK077> A question: what app to use under Windows to capture and display debug messages sent through the serial port? This sounds stupid, but I really don't know... I even attempted to write a little console app that polls the serial port, but it only seems to output garbage...[20:53:50] <@mahlzeit> hyperterminal?[20:55:35] <@mahlzeit> or really any other terminal emulator[20:55:59] *** Korli2 has joined #haiku[20:56:08] <petterhj> hyperterminal will do, baud rate: 115200[20:58:19] *** Methe has joined #haiku[20:58:34] *** MikeW has quit IRC[20:58:37] *** Fade has quit IRC[21:00:53] <SiCuTDeUx> hi __nitro__[21:03:14] <ChrisK077> Thanks. I thought that HyperTerminal had been removed since WinXP, but in any case I still have a Win98 installation somewhere I could get it from...[21:03:56] <@mahlzeit> it's here on my winxp[21:04:11] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[21:04:23] <Korli2> mahlzeit hey[21:04:30] <@mahlzeit> hey Korli2[21:05:00] *** Fade has joined #haiku[21:05:41] <Korli2> mahlzeit I thought you were in movie scripting now :)[21:05:51] <@mahlzeit> it> i am![21:06:05] * Methe huhu[21:06:22] <@mahlzeit> but everytime i start up my IM program, it also logs into irc :-)[21:06:42] <@mahlzeit> so might as well be here and confuse people with half-truths and outdated information[21:07:24] <Methe> so the fact that u were into movie scripts was not completely true at the time u said it ?[21:07:52] <@mahlzeit> why not?[21:08:04] <@mahlzeit> (most things i say aren't completely true, by the way ;-))[21:08:12] *** Ghostride has quit IRC[21:08:53] <Korli2> mahlzeit you're so involved here I was wondering if you were still scripting[21:09:02] <Methe> so when saying "i don't always tell the truth" u're not right, so maybe u actually say a little more truth than u think ![21:09:31] *** Ghostride has joined #haiku[21:09:39] * Methe hides[21:10:03] *** Korli has quit IRC[21:10:06] <@mahlzeit> Korli2: heh, i'm procastinating ;-)[21:10:20] * SiCuTDeUx is sad becouse he doesnt have money to buy Zeta 1.0[21:12:20] <@mahlzeit> actually, i'm writing a game at the moment[21:12:57] <Methe> 0o[21:13:03] <Methe> so u're back @ coding ?[21:13:09] *** Fade has quit IRC[21:13:11] <@mahlzeit> apparently ;-)[21:13:55] *** illissius- has quit IRC[21:14:00] *** illissius- has joined #haiku[21:14:04] <Korli2> mahlzeit it's a movie game for sure :)[21:14:08] *** __nitro__ has quit IRC[21:14:22] <@mahlzeit> something like that ;-)[21:15:15] <Methe> diner time, hf[21:19:30] *** Fade has joined #haiku[21:23:12] <Korli2> agentmumu is your webpage working ?[21:24:04] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[21:24:13] <miqlas> Re![21:28:48] *** flag_ has joined #haiku[21:32:16] <flag_> anyone with tracker on haiku images here? :)[21:34:09] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[21:34:23] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[21:35:15] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[21:36:34] *** Korli2 has quit IRC[21:39:43] *** Koki has quit IRC[21:42:28] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[21:43:06] *** Koki has joined #haiku[21:43:39] <phoudoin> hi guys[21:43:47] <@mahlzeit> hey phoudoin[21:44:39] <phoudoin> so, from the abouthaiku's team leaders, who have *yet* to boot haiku from his own partition? Only me?[21:46:14] <Dr_Evil> hello phoudoin![21:46:23] <@mahlzeit> i'm not longer team lead but if it makes you feel better, i haven't booted haiku either ;-)[21:46:28] <Dr_Evil> I already did boot from harddisk[21:46:28] <phoudoin> hi Dr_Evil! what's up?[21:46:55] <Dr_Evil> I'm busy with DVB[21:47:05] <miqlas> I alredy :)[21:47:13] * phoudoin looks his home office for a empty/unused harddisk...[21:47:46] <miqlas> :>[21:52:30] <ChrisK077> Since DVB has been mentioned: has Pascal (who's working on the DVB-S driver, IIRC) ever tried to view Astra's HDTV test channel? :) With Hauppauge's software this channel stutters like mad even on my Athlon64 machine...[21:52:52] <phoudoin> BTW, Dr_Evil, what's your position about David McPaul MPEG4 reader media_format_family choice?[21:54:23] <Dr_Evil> if mpeg4 is fully quicktime compatible, put it in quicktime. if not, create new mpeg4 structs. it really doesn't belong into mpeg family[21:54:26] *** bsc has joined #haiku[21:55:26] <phoudoin> Okay. But what about old media apps that will not know about this new enum (and structs) ? Don't care?[21:56:20] *** bsc has left #haiku[21:56:24] <phoudoin> Not that BeOS media apps only are billions, thought...[21:56:25] <Dr_Evil> they won't care, and playback will still work, so no problem[21:56:28] <phoudoin> Closed ones even less![21:57:32] <Dr_Evil> doesn't matter to them[21:58:37] <phoudoin> Well, agreed.[22:01:14] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[22:03:06] *** Konrad has quit IRC[22:04:00] *** ChrisK077 has quit IRC[22:08:55] *** petterhj has quit IRC[22:10:19] *** miqlas has quit IRC[22:10:59] *** BGA has joined #haiku[22:10:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[22:11:12] *** bephilip has joined #haiku[22:12:28] *** znation has quit IRC[22:12:42] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:13:24] *** bs0 has quit IRC[22:13:24] *** bephilip is now known as bs0[22:19:10] *** DaneScott has joined #haiku[22:19:25] <DaneScott> tic[22:19:40] <phoudoin> Hi DaneScott.[22:19:48] <DaneScott> hiya phoudoin![22:19:57] <phoudoin> Did you saw http://www.bug-nordic.org/imgs/haiku/TT_Haiku.png?[22:20:03] <phoudoin> ;-)[22:20:09] <DaneScott> looking...[22:20:42] <evdubs> wow.. nice[22:20:45] <DaneScott> ah, yes...TunePrepper![22:21:06] * DaneScott wonders if it could actually work as well (rip tracks). Probably not quite yet though. :-)[22:21:23] <DaneScott> But still, this is very impressive.[22:21:29] <dabeej> is BeIDE easy to use?[22:21:43] <@mahlzeit> dabeej: if you remap the keys ;-)[22:22:23] * dabeej just wish the the UI of most apps would be polished up a bit =/[22:22:41] <dabeej> well, i'm not sure where to put the blame, just need to be polished =/[22:25:22] <phoudoin> DaneScott: well, the CD device control should already works, but the Media encoding part not yet. Except if TT Prepper don't use media kit to do the encoding???[22:25:58] <DaneScott> phoudoin It can use Gogo and Lame, in addition to the media kit encoders, so maybe it would work?[22:26:18] <phoudoin> maybe. Can't test myself, thought ;-)[22:26:36] <phoudoin> Stability issue aside, obvioulsy![22:26:52] <dabeej> phoudoin: it needs cleaning[22:26:57] <dabeej> the UI doesn't look all that hot[22:27:19] <dabeej> anyway to have it go in steps?[22:27:33] <phoudoin> dabeej: the scryou're talking about the screenshot UI?[22:27:47] <dabeej> yep[22:28:11] *** Ghostride has quit IRC[22:28:23] <phoudoin> Well, lickable UI is not our first priority for the moment.[22:28:39] <@mahlzeit> yeah i never lick my ui[22:29:51] <phoudoin> never do I. Laptop panel don't appreciates.[22:30:36] <phoudoin> Deskbar show "About BeOS" under Haiku :-)[22:31:20] <flag_> my god[22:31:27] <flag_> i just saw all the screenshots[22:31:35] <flag_> and many are quite impressive...[22:31:39] <flag_> :O[22:31:41] <flag_> tracker[22:31:42] <flag_> deskbar[22:31:44] <flag_> bemail[22:31:46] <flag_> tunepper[22:31:47] <evdubs> which ss's?[22:31:51] <phoudoin> flag_: now we reallu could see progress...[22:31:55] <flag_> yep[22:32:01] <flag_> phoudoin: what about the net stack?[22:32:08] <flag_> i always wanted to help[22:32:13] <flag_> but never started really...[22:32:17] <flag_> shit...[22:32:27] <flag_> evdubs: http://www.bug-nordic.org/imgs/haiku/[22:32:39] <evdubs> nice thx[22:32:42] <flag_> phoudoin: what's the status of net stack?[22:32:51] <Leo42> what are these screenshots ?[22:32:57] <Leo42> beos apps running under haiku ?[22:32:58] <flag_> ag_> a colelctions...[22:33:04] <flag_> and a lot from recent haiku... :)[22:33:11] <Leo42> sorry, i am quite new to beos/haiku...[22:33:24] <phoudoin> flag_: well, the net stack is working. Kinda. No DHCP support yet, no preferences to setup friendly.[22:33:32] <flag_> i think they wanted to keep it as as secret for walter con.. ehehehe... :)[22:33:53] <flag_> phoudoin: uhmm.. i see[22:34:01] <flag_> phoudoin: but how stable is it?[22:34:26] <phoudoin> The two latest screenshots are 2-6 hours old, no more. I can see a micro commits I've made in the afternoo on both of them...[22:34:33] <flag_> once i even started to port pkgsrc to beos[22:34:41] <flag_> i almost got it bootstrapping... :P[22:35:54] <phoudoin> stable enough to allow some surfing from haiku using Links 2 months ago. Dunno today, but I guess it could be interessting to see if binary NetPositive start and works?...[22:36:01] <Leo42> so: can someone explain me what is this "tracker"... ?[22:36:31] <phoudoin> Tracker is the GUI shell. Like Windows Explorer, if you like. Or the Finder.[22:36:53] <Leo42> ok[22:37:15] <Leo42> and so i have understood correctly, haiku runs the (original) beos tracker now ?[22:37:34] <flag_> i think axeld is trying to go partyzip with a working GUI... :)[22:37:42] <phoudoin> Yep[22:37:45] <flag_> :)[22:37:47] <phoudoin> flag_: sure[22:38:13] <Leo42> oky[22:38:20] *** DaneScott has quit IRC[22:38:24] <Leo42> but a new tracker needs to be written, right ?[22:38:40] <flag_> Leo42: nope, is opensource...[22:38:49] <phoudoin> keeping a full room awake during 4h, he needs something really atractive (technically speaking, not necessarely cool looking) for that[22:38:50] <@mahlzeit> fortunately ;-)[22:39:20] <Leo42> flag_: really ?[22:39:28] <flag_> Leo42: yes[22:39:36] <flag_> www.opentracker.something... :)[22:39:39] <flag_> google... :)[22:39:42] <phoudoin> .be[22:39:53] <phoudoin> www.opentracker.be[22:39:59] <flag_> but it was imported days ago[22:40:07] <flag_> in haiku tree[22:40:13] <flag_> so it's already there... :)[22:40:24] <phoudoin> like so many other open source stuffs ;-)[22:40:38] <flag_> phoudoin: what about packaging?[22:40:41] <flag_> i mean[22:40:44] <flag_> right now in beos[22:40:47] <flag_> you install somthing[22:40:52] <phoudoin> zip? ;-)[22:40:53] <flag_> tipically via softerwalet[22:40:57] *** illissius- has quit IRC[22:41:02] <flag_> but there's now way to deinstall it[22:41:09] <flag_> apart for some scripts aound[22:41:16] <flag_> but they don't work well[22:41:20] <flag_> last time i check it[22:41:23] <flag_> checked[22:41:47] <flag_> is there any plan to implement "install/desinatll" in softwarewalet?[22:41:52] <flag_> or[22:41:54] <Leo42> oky[22:41:55] <phoudoin> everybody know that there is no beos software, so package system, who cares!?[22:41:56] <flag_> use a db[22:41:57] <phoudoin> ;-)[22:42:02] <flag_> like /var/pkgs[22:42:11] <flag_> ahaha :)[22:42:28] <flag_> yep[22:42:42] <phoudoin> Well, serioulsy now, I guess we'll works on such package system right after R1.[22:42:43] <flag_> but i'm scared it'll be no accessible from shell[22:43:18] <phoudoin> It'll be open source, so someone will make a way to do it from shell, sure.[22:43:24] <flag_> uhmm...[22:43:25] <flag_> yes[22:43:31] <flag_> but i thought something like[22:43:32] <flag_> sdb[22:43:34] <flag_> bsd[22:43:40] <flag_> oh my god! (my fingers... :)[22:43:49] <flag_> could be really nice[22:44:04] <@mahlzeit> it> i think a package system has been debated more than anything else[22:44:20] <flag_> mahlzeit: i lost those threads so... :P[22:44:22] <@mahlzeit> and for all the talk... nothing ever materializes[22:44:32] <flag_> ok[22:44:34] <phoudoin> Me, I'll like something along the bundle concept: just drag and drop something to install/remove it.[22:45:00] <flag_> phoudoin: yes, but many packes spread their files around[22:45:14] <flag_> and having an unbottable system[22:45:19] <flag_> after installing xemacs[22:45:19] *** Ghostride has joined #haiku[22:45:21] <flag_> is not nice[22:45:24] <phoudoin> But, SoftwareValet binary will works under Haiku too, so we have some time before focusing on this issue.[22:45:28] <flag_> without a way to deinstall it via shell :)[22:45:36] <flag_> yep yep[22:45:57] <flag_> just a late evening brainstorm... :)[22:47:13] <phoudoin> anyway, time to go do some coding... cu later.[22:47:36] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:52:11] *** phoudoin has quit IRC[22:52:33] *** Korli2 has joined #haiku[22:59:49] *** tic` has joined #haiku[23:03:34] *** stippi has quit IRC[23:05:22] *** Leo42 has quit IRC[23:09:53] <tic`> interesting quit messgae..[23:09:57] <tic`> message... too[23:10:08] <@mahlzeit> heh[23:10:49] *** evdubs has quit IRC[23:12:13] *** bernie34 has joined #haiku[23:14:16] *** Korli2 has quit IRC[23:17:57] *** BGA has quit IRC[23:18:42] *** illissius has joined #haiku[23:19:14] *** Methe has quit IRC[23:21:32] *** Begasus has quit IRC[23:23:44] *** _Mazon has joined #haiku[23:25:20] *** Mazon has quit IRC[23:26:59] <bs0> how should i install voodoo accelerator ? should i connect the two connectors with that small cable ?[23:31:21] *** oco has quit IRC[23:31:27] *** mahlzeit has quit IRC[23:31:49] *** bernie34 has quit IRC[23:53:40] *** ablyss has left #haiku[23:54:51] *** tic` has quit IRC[23:58:13] <[Beta]> lol, phoudoin's commit messages have been great today :)