July 5, 2005 
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July 5, 2005 [00:00:00] <McCall> yes thats right.[00:00:16] <McCall> doesn't [want|need].[00:00:19] <agentmumu> axeld: does libroot.so kernel.so?[00:00:35] *** bonefish has joined #haiku[00:00:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o bonefish[00:00:39] <@bonefish> Yo![00:00:53] <Dr_Evil> bonefish are you using haiku media kit?[00:01:02] <agentmumu> axeld: does libroot.so link to kernel.so?[00:01:20] <McCall> agentmumu: ok, I have a test - so if you go to distro/x86.R1/bin and run say, bzgrep on Linux does it run?[00:01:20] <@JBurton> hi bonefish[00:01:33] <@axeld> Hi bonefish![00:01:34] <@bonefish> Dr_Evil: No, have not been using any media stuff under BeOS for some while.[00:01:46] <@bonefish> JBurton, axeld![00:01:50] <agentmumu> McCall: no of course not, as i use a cross compiler for beos[00:02:11] <McCall> agentmumu: yes, so mine do, so I need to fix that :)[00:02:29] *** fps-away has left #haiku[00:03:37] <McCall> so my question - do I just hack away at the config's for programs such as bintuils to change the existing PowerPC BeOS stuff from coff to elf, or do I add a new platform of powerpc-pc-haiku that uses elf?[00:03:50] <agentmumu> McCall: i have no idea[00:03:55] <McCall> :)[00:04:13] <McCall> but does what I am asking make sense?[00:04:16] *** Mazon is now known as mazon[00:04:43] <agentmumu> McCall: I've never done something like that, I have no idea[00:04:55] <scanty> I didn't know PPC could deal with coff to begin with[00:05:31] <McCall> scanty: I didn't, I thought it was PEF, but all the config's I found set it to coff.[00:05:52] <scanty> PEF is proprietary, isn't it?[00:05:52] <McCall> I am compiling a hacked binutils right now.[00:06:09] <scanty> ah[00:06:11] <McCall> sorta, hence why I want to use elf on PowerPC.[00:06:27] <scanty> right.... I would say go with elf, but I'm far from an expert on the matter ^_^[00:07:14] <scanty> pretty sure linux on PPC was using elf[00:07:18] <scanty> but it's been ages since I've run linuxppc[00:08:04] <McCall> yes it does, but I still need to use a cross compiler to make Haiku elf binaries.[00:08:17] <scanty> ah[00:08:27] <scanty> well, I've never been able to build a proper crossgcc on BeOS[00:08:29] <scanty> for any target.[00:08:43] <McCall> I am on Linux :)[00:08:45] <scanty> oh, right[00:08:59] <scanty> you may have to define a new target for bfd, then[00:09:03] <scanty> to use[00:11:51] *** JBurton has quit IRC[00:12:00] <miqlas> The ZETA : http://techriots.com/zeta/screen29.jpg :)))[00:12:16] <agentmumu> axeld: these are the binaries I've manged to build unter linux, the kernel, servers, apps, libs all work when I use a libroot.so built on beos and not linux, do you have an idea what could be wrong? maybe some linking problem because I'm on linux?[00:15:03] <agentmumu> http://www.schmidp.com/public/haiku/haiku_linux_2005_07_01.tar.gz[00:17:07] <McCall> I think I got somewhere:[00:17:10] * SiCuTDeUx is away: No estoy![00:17:19] <McCall> - /powerpc-pc-beos-strip: supported targets: elf32-powerpc aixcoff-rs6000 elf32-powerpcle ppcboot elf32-little elf32-big srec symbolsrec tekhex binary ihex[00:18:34] <@geist> yeah, dont bother with PEF[00:18:39] <scanty> I guess you want elf32-big[00:18:42] <@geist> elf all the way[00:18:46] <scanty> unless for some reason you want to kick PPC into LE mode.[00:18:48] <scanty> which would be weird.[00:19:00] <@geist> yeah and I dont know if all ppcs can do that[00:19:11] <@geist> I guess they can,b ut that'd be the first thing to be missing or broken on a particular version[00:19:33] *** oco has quit IRC[00:19:51] <scanty> likely.[00:20:02] <scanty> crazy hermaphroditic chips.[00:20:11] <@geist> indeed[00:20:11] <scanty> pick one bytesex and stick with it, I say ;)[00:20:34] <@geist> ppc in general is that way. for all it's simplicity, there are tons of errata and half the things it does is optional[00:20:39] *** thies_ has quit IRC[00:20:44] <@geist> sort of makes up for the general simplicity of system mode[00:20:56] <scanty> I doubt any PPC based mainboards can use either or[00:21:02] <scanty> that would make for some expensive hardware[00:21:03] *** Korli has joined #haiku[00:21:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[00:21:14] <scanty> but then again, I don't know much about PPC other than I don't like it's ISA[00:21:41] <McCall> geist: does it make sense to hack the tools so they build powerpc-pc-beos as elf instead of coff, or should I add new configure options and BFD's specifically for powerpc-pc-[the-new-ppc-elf-platform] ?[00:21:53] *** thies_ has joined #haiku[00:22:00] <McCall> geist: this is for things like gcc and binutils.[00:22:06] <@geist> McCall: why would you not just do more or less ppc-elf?[00:22:34] <@geist> oh because there's already a ppc-beos target?[00:22:39] <McCall> yes[00:22:47] <@geist> I'd make a ppc-haiku target[00:22:52] <scanty> you might be safer making a new BFD target[00:22:54] <McCall> althought it looks wrong, as its set to coff.[00:23:02] <@geist> might aught to do that anyway, even with i386-haiku[00:23:22] <@geist> in case you want to make a chance later that'll cause it to stop being backwards compat, and it'd be easier to get it officially added to the tree[00:23:51] <@geist> s/chance/change[00:24:17] <@axeld> Hi geist[00:24:28] <@geist> hey hey hey[00:24:30] <@geist> it's axeld[00:24:40] <@axeld> agentmumu: not sure if I understood your question[00:24:47] <McCall> ok, new rules it is. I don't think I actually have to change much as elf i[1-7]86 and powerpc is all already there, I think I just need to add rules to make them.[00:25:02] <@geist> ask axeld too[00:25:09] <@geist> what do ya think axeld? new rules?[00:25:35] <McCall> geist: I wasn't able to explain to axeld what I ment :)[00:25:39] <@axeld> new rules for what?[00:25:54] <@geist> <arch>-haiku[00:26:00] <@geist> for gcc + binutils[00:26:10] <@geist> they can be the same as i386-beos, but in the case of ppc-beos, it's not really what you guys want probably[00:26:13] <@geist> I'd stick with elf all the way[00:26:30] <scanty> hey, maybe he's building on deep blue![00:26:31] <scanty> ^_^[00:26:42] <@axeld> We wanted to introduce a new platform "haiku" anyway[00:26:53] <@axeld> So creating build rules for target haiku is fine[00:27:03] <@geist> the great axeld has spoken[00:27:07] <McCall> :)[00:27:08] *** illissius_ has joined #haiku[00:27:14] <@bonefish> Actually our uname() already reports "haiku".[00:27:34] <@geist> once you get it figured out, I'd go ahead and submit a patch to gcc + binutils. there are all sorts of hobby os projects that have their patchset[00:27:47] <@geist> I think they take it as long as you just have to add a few rules and maybe a .c file[00:27:59] <@axeld> nice[00:30:56] *** bonefish has quit IRC[00:32:57] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[00:32:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[00:35:34] *** illissius- has quit IRC[00:38:02] <agentmumu> axeld: to be short, the libroot.so I've build under linux doesn't work, but all other targets do, the kernel, all apps, other libs, the servers. It seems I can't fix this on my own and it would be nice if you could have a look on my libroot.so. maybe you have an idea on how to fix it.[00:38:59] <@axeld> agentmumu: how can anything be built without libroot.so? They all link against it[00:39:13] <agentmumu> axeld: libroot.so builds fine[00:39:21] <@axeld> agentmumu: and the problem is?[00:39:53] <agentmumu> it just doesn't work, when I boot with it, i get "couldn't start /bin/sh error -234242432" over the serial line[00:40:10] <agentmumu> if I drop in a libroot.so build on beos, with the rest build on linux, haiku boots into app_server[00:40:38] <@axeld> agentmumu: damn it, you are actually talking about x86, right?[00:40:47] <agentmumu> yes, x86[00:40:55] <@axeld> Ah, now it begins to make sense :-)[00:41:09] <agentmumu> ah ok :)[00:41:43] <@axeld> libstdc++.r4.so builds okay as well?[00:42:02] <agentmumu> yes[00:42:41] <agentmumu> axeld: these are the binaries which build fine: http://www.schmidp.com/public/haiku/haiku_linux/[00:42:47] <@axeld> agentmumu: my guess is that the glibc stuff is causing the troubles[00:43:27] *** petterhj has quit IRC[00:43:48] <@axeld> agentmumu: it's probably mixing Linux and Haiku headers, as our build system is severly broken in this regard[00:44:13] <@Korli> agentmumu just wondering, no resource can be set on apps on linux ?[00:44:19] <McCall> :)[00:46:03] <agentmumu> Korli: I don't get you question, do you mean attributes? the rdef files are compiled into ressource files as I made rc working under linux[00:46:06] <agentmumu> your[00:48:44] <@axeld> agentmumu: have you made any other changes for this?[00:50:10] *** fyysik has quit IRC[00:50:11] <agentmumu> axeld: beside rc, keymap also depends on libbe and I had to do a few simple hacks in some Jamfiles[00:50:51] <@axeld> agentmumu: Ingo plans to rework our build system shortly, and I hope this will resolve these problems[00:51:17] <@axeld> agentmumu: but your changes for "rc" and "keymap" are welcome, of course[00:51:47] <agentmumu> axeld: I used cosmoe to get rc and keymap working on linux, because the heavily depend on libbe[00:52:19] <agentmumu> rc more then keymap[00:53:18] <@axeld> ah, okay[00:53:55] <@axeld> agentmumu: we also have a plan b, that is a replication of BFile and friends for Linux[00:54:25] <@axeld> agentmumu: we already have a more or less POSIX compatible version of them in the repository[00:55:08] <agentmumu> oh, I didn't know this :/ but libcosmoe.so does work quite well, the only problem was that entry_ref doesn't work[00:56:12] <@axeld> I guess libcosmoe.so is more or less our old version of that stuff[00:56:16] *** miqlas has quit IRC[00:57:20] <@Korli> axeld we should be able to bootstrap build a thin libbe.so layer for our needs, this is what you mean ?[00:57:28] <agentmumu> axeld: how did you make entry_ref work? because geist pointed out, getting the file path with only having the device number and the inode won't work on linux?[00:59:21] *** Leo44 has quit IRC[00:59:27] <@axeld> Korli: yes[01:00:22] <@axeld> agentmumu: not sure, Ingo did that - he either used some brute force mechanism, or some internal R5 stuff, I guess[01:03:00] *** Koki has joined #haiku[01:03:42] <@axeld> HI Koki[01:05:42] <Koki> hey axeld[01:06:04] <Koki> greetings from Tokyo. :-)[01:07:00] *** illissius_ is now known as illissius[sleep][01:07:12] <DaaT> hi Koki, axeld[01:07:41] <@Korli> good night[01:07:53] *** Korli has quit IRC[01:10:47] <@axeld> Hi DaaT![01:11:01] <DaaT> how goes it?[01:11:45] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[01:14:19] <@axeld> pretty well[01:14:21] <@axeld> Hi fyysik[01:14:34] <fyysik> hi axeld:)[01:17:37] *** Lt_Henry has quit IRC[01:18:31] <@axeld> night everyone[01:18:37] *** axeld has quit IRC[01:23:04] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[01:49:25] *** DarthVader has quit IRC[02:01:15] *** khorben has quit IRC[02:03:33] <CIA-6> axeld * r13429 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/Message.cpp:[02:03:33] <CIA-6> Accidently broke BMessage::_SendFlattenedMessage() with the last commit;[02:03:33] <CIA-6> the magic is not part of the header anymore when read from a stream (because[02:03:33] <CIA-6> BDataIO does not support seeking, and we need to know the magic before actually[02:03:33] <CIA-6> reading the header).[02:06:42] *** DaaT has quit IRC[02:07:08] *** khorben has joined #haiku[02:09:19] <McCall> hey geist[02:09:23] <McCall> you still here?[02:09:29] <McCall> I did it :) ./powerpc-pc-haiku-strip: supported targets: elf32-powerpc elf32-little elf32-big srec symbolsrec tekhex binary ihex[02:09:52] <McCall> binutils is done, now on to gcc![02:13:59] <McCall> we now have a binutils that will target powerpc-pc-haiku! Yay![02:14:03] * McCall is excited![02:16:20] <scanty> nice :)[02:17:07] <scanty> now we need a SPARC toolchain :)[02:17:34] <scanty> among a million of other things[02:26:20] <McCall> http://www.h2o.demon.co.uk/ I am that pleased, I updated my blog.[02:29:25] <ottoaim> nice[02:32:09] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[02:39:17] <@geist> McCall: nice[02:43:57] *** BetaMax has joined #haiku[02:54:59] <scanty> McCall, what is that sega megadrive game (on your site) called in english?[02:55:36] <scanty> looks vaguely familiar[02:57:43] <CIA-6> axeld * r13430 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/Message.cpp:[02:57:43] <CIA-6> The stream was reused later, so it was a dumb idea to not include the[02:57:43] <CIA-6> magic in it (it was written twice then, later).[02:59:36] <CIA-6> axeld * r13431 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/MessageUtils.cpp:[02:59:36] <CIA-6> Fixed an obvious bug in _checksum_() that isn't triggered by its current use:[02:59:36] <CIA-6> "temp" was added to "sum" in the loop, so that some int8 values were taken[02:59:36] <CIA-6> into account more than once.[02:59:36] <CIA-6> Cleanup.[03:02:43] <CIA-6> axeld * r13432 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/AppServer.cpp: The app_server now also quits fast in case there are no apps to quit... :-)[03:19:13] <CIA-6> axeld * r13433 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ServerWindow.cpp:[03:19:13] <CIA-6> AS_LAYER_GET_CLIP_REGION missed a Flush() in case the view was not hidden,[03:19:13] <CIA-6> and that put apps that used it to sleep (for example, Tracker is using it).[03:21:08] *** thies_ has quit IRC[03:26:20] *** fyysik has quit IRC[03:33:37] *** Koki has quit IRC[03:43:09] <CIA-6> axeld * r13434 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/InterfaceDefs.cpp: The _menu_info_ptr_ is now initialized correctly.[03:49:51] *** brennanOS has joined #haiku[03:50:04] <brennanOS> Hi all... what is the closest thing to iPhoto on BeOS?[03:51:59] *** petterhj has quit IRC[04:06:13] *** slaad has joined #haiku[04:07:17] <scanty> ShowImage? ^_^[04:07:48] <brennanOS> hmmm[04:07:59] <brennanOS> is there firewire support for BeOS at all?[04:08:02] <scanty> and, for the record, it's not very close at all.[04:08:05] <slaad> Yeah[04:08:16] <scanty> brennanOS, there is but theres no SPB2 implementation.[04:08:21] <scanty> only DV stuff (may) works[04:08:29] <scanty> SBP2*[04:08:39] <scanty> so you don't get mass storage[04:09:04] <brennanOS> what are the odds I can get my digital camera to work over firewire[04:09:15] <scanty> doubtful.[04:09:24] <scanty> you're lucky to find a USB cam that works ^_^[04:09:35] <scanty> although the "new" USB mass storage driver is pretty decent[04:09:36] <@geist> nowadays they tend to just show up as mass storage[04:09:55] <scanty> true[04:10:00] <brennanOS> is YellowTab coming up with something?[04:10:10] <scanty> who knows..[04:10:16] <scanty> they apparently have iPod support[04:10:18] <scanty> or so I've read[04:10:20] <scanty> but I think it's USB2 only[04:10:25] <@geist> mass storage[04:10:47] <brennanOS> hm... thats a pretty important application category.. digital photos and movies[04:10:51] <scanty> I started on a SBP2 stack quite some time ago[04:10:56] <scanty> but I wound up scrapping it.[04:11:01] <brennanOS> I have a Mac sitting here, I guess I will use that[04:11:02] <scanty> (long story, don't want to get into it now)[04:11:05] <@geist> firewire is pretty tough[04:11:09] <scanty> I doubt I'd start it up again[04:11:14] <scanty> yeah, fw is fairly difficult.[04:11:20] <brennanOS> Ive started many things and scrapped them ;)[04:11:36] <@geist> i'm sure it's even moreso than usb, and usb stacks aren't simple at all[04:11:55] <scanty> yah, USB is a pain in the ass as well[04:12:09] <scanty> even for just interfacing[04:12:19] <scanty> I'd sooner use parallel or serial port :)[04:12:45] <brennanOS> heh[04:12:50] <brennanOS> they are much easier, for sure[04:13:08] <brennanOS> good luck finding a computer with a serial port these days[04:13:13] <brennanOS> well, laptops anyway[04:13:20] <scanty> yeah, especially being able to peek and poke ISA space directly[04:13:27] <scanty> it's not too difficult to interrface without a driver[04:13:29] <scanty> on BeOS[04:13:36] <scanty> (haven't tried serial yet, though)[04:13:37] <@geist> furthermore, hack somethign other than a peecee[04:13:41] <@geist> dont see no serial port there[04:14:07] <brennanOS> On DOS using QB, you can get data over the serial port with a 4 line program on both ends, just about[04:14:24] <scanty> brennanOS, you can do the samething in BeOS likely.[04:14:48] <brennanOS> scanty: is serial port stuff documented in the BeBook?[04:14:54] <scanty> yes[04:14:56] <scanty> the nice thing is[04:14:57] <brennanOS> cool[04:14:58] <scanty> on BeOS[04:15:02] <brennanOS> Ill look at that[04:15:02] <scanty> you have BSerialPort[04:15:19] <scanty> so you get an elegant interface to it.[04:15:22] <brennanOS> serial ports are cool[04:15:40] <scanty> I have serial and parallel on this *non*peecee :)[04:15:40] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[04:15:45] <scanty> don't use them though[04:16:16] <@geist> what is it?[04:16:22] <@geist> an old sparc? pegasos?[04:16:22] <scanty> Sun Ultra60[04:16:25] <@geist> yeah[04:16:39] <scanty> has stupid DB-25 serial ports though[04:16:44] <@geist> and I guess I do have a few old beboxes[04:16:55] <scanty> the ecpp driver on slowaris is pretty straighforward to use, though[04:17:33] <scanty> havent' used BeOS much since I got this machine actually[04:17:50] <scanty> but part of the reason is because the motherboard is rather flaky.[04:17:53] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[04:17:55] <scanty> sometimes it won't even boot[04:20:05] <@geist> what the sparc?[04:20:47] <scanty> no, my BeOS machine[04:21:05] <scanty> I've come to realise that most socket370 based mainboards were utter crap.[04:21:14] <scanty> partly due to the bad capacitor plague of the day[04:21:56] <@geist> ah[04:21:57] <scanty> I spent about 10 hours repairing my previous dual-board, only to have it die again about 4 weeks later[04:22:11] <scanty> and I personally don't like the P4[04:22:13] <scanty> so I'm stuck ^_^[04:22:18] <@geist> ist> i still have a rock-solid dual slot 2 tyan tiger board[04:22:36] <@geist> we had lots of those at Be. the venerable BX chipset[04:22:50] <scanty> slot2 was PII?[04:23:06] <scanty> tyan boards are generally solid.[04:23:11] <@geist> p3[04:23:18] <scanty> ah[04:23:18] <@geist> before they switched to 370[04:23:26] <scanty> you must mean slot1 then?[04:23:28] <@geist> p3 500-650 or so[04:23:39] <@geist> maybe, slot 2 yeah that was probably for xeons[04:24:16] <scanty> slot1 piii's tended to have more cache than their socket370 cousins[04:24:18] <scanty> which was nice.[04:25:20] <brennanOS> I found the coolest OS X app.. Comic Life, lets you turn your photos into comic strips[04:25:24] <@geist> and that was back in the day when a dual cpu machine was only about $100 more (+the cost of the second cpu)[04:25:35] <brennanOS> And Im generally not into that stuff (photos and such)[04:25:43] <scanty> brennanOS, that sounds cool[04:26:01] <brennanOS> it really is[04:26:01] <scanty> the newer dual machines are fairly expensive.[04:26:12] <scanty> xeons, and those weird AMD CPUs[04:26:14] <@geist> since you have to explicitly buy smp capabile cpus[04:26:37] <@geist> I hae about the last gen non speciality dual machine. I bought a pair of Athlon XPs right as they started selling athlon MPs[04:26:46] <brennanOS> scanty: very simple example I just threw together in 2 minutes - http://www.geocities.com/cluvius2000/comic.html[04:26:55] <scanty> you can hack an XP to go dual, though.[04:27:00] <scanty> granted it's not easy[04:27:01] <@geist> for a brief period before they started disabling smp on xps, the XP and MP were identical[04:27:02] <scanty> but possible.[04:27:03] <brennanOS> scanty: you can also make the picture look like actual comics[04:27:12] <@geist> and in my case I didn't have to hack em[04:27:14] <@geist> they just work[04:27:14] <BetaMax> aMax> a new VIA EPIA DP 310 is a good choice http://www.viaembedded.com/product/epia_dp_spec.jsp?motherboardId=321[04:27:26] <scanty> geist, you were lucky then.[04:27:35] <scanty> I think you had to either cut, or bridge a trace[04:27:37] <scanty> otherwise[04:27:43] <@geist> sure[04:28:02] <scanty> brennanOS, it would be even cooler if it cartoonified the images[04:28:04] <@geist> oh well, I dont use it much anymore[04:28:29] <scanty> oh[04:28:38] <scanty> heh you just said that, brennanOS[04:28:40] <scanty> I missed it[04:28:43] <@geist> oh neat, that's a cool board[04:28:49] <scanty> i never really liked AMD[04:29:05] <brennanOS> scanty: yeah, you can do all kinds of cool stuff[04:29:20] <brennanOS> very neat idea[04:29:43] <scanty> those mini itx boards are neat.[04:30:15] <@geist> I have an epia M[04:30:31] <@geist> the 1Ghz version. pretty slow but works fine for what it's designed to do[04:30:49] <scanty> are those VIA CPUs any good[04:30:59] <@geist> they're slow[04:31:13] <@geist> but low power, reasonable media stuff[04:31:19] <scanty> probably have whimpy cache then[04:31:27] <scanty> if any onchip[04:31:29] <@geist> very. the one I have has a single 64K cache[04:31:35] <scanty> eek[04:31:41] <scanty> that's even worse then a smelleron[04:31:49] <@geist> it's not the same thing at all[04:32:12] <@geist> solves a different problem, or at least is designed to[04:32:13] <slaad> Do one with the images comicised, brennanOS[04:32:20] <scanty> ah[04:32:31] <@geist> but for example I could take the mini board and build a tivo-like thing out of it[04:32:46] <@geist> it's fast enough to decode mpeg streams, requires no fans, etc[04:33:14] <brennanOS> slaad: ok[04:33:30] <scanty> passive cooling is nice[04:33:43] <slaad> I prefer passive-agressive cooling ;)[04:33:49] <brennanOS> scanty: as long as you admit that my daughter is damn cute[04:34:08] <slaad> I presume you meant me, brennanOS?[04:34:26] <scanty> brennanOS, indeed :)[04:34:40] <brennanOS> slaad: oh.. yeah[04:34:46] <brennanOS> whoops[04:35:13] <scanty> x86 is notorious for runing hot[04:35:17] <scanty> running*[04:35:28] <brennanOS> Ill apply various filters to those same four pictures[04:38:31] <brennanOS> uploading now[04:38:47] <slaad> http://193.151.73.87/games/lemmings/index.html <-- DHTML lemmings :D[04:40:57] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[04:43:01] <brennanOS> ok, its ready now[04:43:05] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[04:43:09] <brennanOS> I applied three different styles[04:45:43] <slaad> URL?[04:46:13] <brennanOS> http://www.geocities.com/cluvius2000/pictures/Page_1.jpg[04:46:50] <slaad> The first and fourth frame look really good.[04:47:25] <brennanOS> the first one is called Comicify[04:47:35] <brennanOS> 2nd frame is Drawn[04:47:43] <brennanOS> third and fourth are Painted[04:47:59] <brennanOS> fourth also has a Graphite style applied[04:49:30] <brennanOS> I read a really good point someone made about (one of) the differences between good Mac OS software and good Windows software... the Mac software makes you *want to use it*, even if you didnt really have a desire before[04:49:57] <brennanOS> this is a case in point[04:50:51] <slaad> Yeah, that's the same with me and BeOS. When I'm using BeOS I actually enjoy computing... even if I'm just talking to a bunch of deadbeats on IRC (Like now ;). Where as in Windows everything seems like more of a chore....[04:51:05] <brennanOS> yep[04:51:39] <brennanOS> Ill boot into BeOS just to do FTP stuff with NetPenguin, just because its fun to use[04:51:44] <BetaMax> geist: not with two VIA C7 http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/processors/c7/[04:51:49] <brennanOS> FTP sucks royal ass on Mac OS[04:52:07] <slaad> I hear IRCing does too.[04:52:40] <brennanOS> I use XChat Aqua on Mac for IRC[04:52:42] <brennanOS> its fine[04:53:13] <brennanOS> I also like Konqueror in Linux... thats not a bad piece of software[04:53:26] <brennanOS> I should say KDE, not Linux[04:56:26] <brennanOS> KMail is ok too, reminds me of BeMail[04:57:05] <brennanOS> I think Im the only person in the world using Baxter for IRC[04:58:10] <brennanOS> brb[04:58:15] *** brennanOS has quit IRC[05:08:25] *** Koki has joined #haiku[05:13:11] *** DC1 has joined #haiku[05:18:15] *** khorben has quit IRC[05:30:36] *** BetaMax has quit IRC[05:34:21] *** Koki has quit IRC[05:46:28] 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<@JBurton> hi all[08:39:43] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[08:43:08] *** m_eiman has joined #haiku[08:43:40] <McCall> Hey Jack[08:43:59] <McCall> I managed to get binutils tagetting powerpc-pc-haiku as elf last night.[09:00:14] *** illissius[sleep] is now known as illissius[09:05:03] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[09:32:10] *** xeD has joined #haiku[09:32:47] <xeD> JBurton ciao[09:37:27] *** Shefu has quit IRC[09:49:51] *** Racer__X has joined #haiku[10:01:57] *** slaad has quit IRC[10:01:59] *** emwe has joined #haiku[10:05:15] *** muco has joined #haiku[10:05:34] <muco> hi :)[10:05:47] <ottoaim> evening[10:06:08] <muco> morning here :)[10:10:00] *** Korli has joined #haiku[10:10:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[10:11:09] <@Korli> hey guys[10:12:32] <muco> hi Korli[10:14:06] <@JBurton> re[10:14:08] <@JBurton> hi Korli[10:14:14] <@JBurton> ciao xeD[10:14:15] <muco> hi JBurton[10:14:18] <@JBurton> hi muco[10:14:26] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[10:15:11] *** Euver has quit IRC[10:15:52] *** Euver has joined #haiku[10:16:11] <@Korli> JBurton no irc log ?[10:16:39] <@JBurton> yeah[10:16:43] <@JBurton> looks like it[10:16:51] <@JBurton> Korli did you attend ?[10:18:49] <@Korli> JBurton a few minutes, seems we entered summer :)[10:21:23] <@JBurton> what do you mean Korli ?[10:22:07] <@Korli> I mean holidays ... :)[10:22:12] <@JBurton> ah :=)[10:22:24] <Konrad> JBurton I got an email from Bonefish, he admitted that it was his fault =)[10:22:46] <@JBurton> Konrad yeah I followed the commits :P[10:23:39] <Konrad> Time for coffe..[10:24:28] <Konrad> Ah, I do that too, I wonder if you could get one to you cellphone... and pay a small amount of money eveymonth (could be a god way of foundraising the project)[10:25:42] <@JBurton> the commit log, you mean ?[10:25:51] <@JBurton> it would be nice, but I don't know if it's feasible :P[10:26:56] <Konrad> Maybe not[10:27:16] *** bencer has joined #haiku[10:27:20] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:27:25] <bencer> hi ppl[10:27:39] <Konrad> hi bencer[10:27:41] <@Korli> you can forward your mail on your cellphone[10:27:47] <@Korli> but it cost[10:27:51] <bencer> hi Konrad[10:28:27] <@JBurton> Korli yeah but I would get too much spam[10:28:29] <@JBurton> :P[10:28:52] <@JBurton> maybe I should drop my current email boxes and just use gmail[10:28:59] <@JBurton> but then I would get spam on gmail :)[10:29:13] <muco> JBurton: never had serious spam on gmail[10:29:41] <@Korli> JBurton I tend to not read your mail anymore because of this wrapping[10:29:42] <Konrad> Me neither, but muco we dont pr0n surf as much as JBurton here =)[10:29:42] <@JBurton> yeah me neither, for the moment[10:29:46] <bencer> neither me, but i've spamassassin on my server and it eats all of the spam with a little of training[10:29:54] <@JBurton> Korli that's annoying[10:30:18] <@JBurton> Korli I already reported the problem but no one care[10:30:38] <@Korli> then use gMail[10:31:35] <@JBurton> I'm doing that just now :P[10:31:36] <@Korli> JBurton about ssh problem on VPC, it's related to our random driver[10:31:50] <@JBurton> because VPC doesn't have a fixed timing ?[10:32:19] <@Korli> same for the CPU speed routine, takes much time[10:33:35] <@Korli> it must report a speed it can't support, so snoozing takes longer than expected[10:33:49] <@JBurton> I see[10:34:12] <@JBurton> maybe we should use DMI to get the cpu speed ?[10:34:16] <@Korli> I think it would go as a kernel setting someday[10:34:43] <@JBurton> yeah[10:34:48] <@Korli> DMI code is GPL[10:35:03] <@JBurton> that's cool[10:35:11] <muco> that's not cool :)[10:35:13] <@Korli> not for our kernel[10:35:22] <@JBurton> I was being sarcastic :)[10:35:27] <@Korli> ahha[10:36:38] <@JBurton> well maybe someone will rewrite it[10:36:41] <@JBurton> :=)[10:37:39] *** S|LeNtBoB has joined #haiku[10:39:02] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[10:39:25] *** slaad has joined #haiku[10:40:37] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[10:45:06] *** m_eiman is now known as m_afk[10:46:55] *** Dr3w|Work has joined #haiku[10:53:17] <Dr3w|Work> geist you there?[10:53:33] *** bencer has quit IRC[10:58:06] *** illissius has quit IRC[11:07:11] *** muco has quit IRC[11:11:59] *** Methe has quit IRC[11:12:38] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[11:13:48] *** xeD has quit IRC[11:29:16] *** Konrad has quit IRC[11:29:17] <CIA-6> jackburton * r13437 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/ShutdownProcess.cpp: Fixed the build under haiku. Reported by Konrad.[11:29:55] <@JBurton> argh I meant FOR haiku[11:29:56] <@JBurton> damn[11:35:49] <Dr3w|Work> heh :)[11:36:04] *** xeD has joined #haiku[11:37:13] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[11:44:17] *** Konrad has quit IRC[11:44:54] <@JBurton> Korli did stippi attend at the meeting yesterday ?[11:45:07] <Dr3w|Work> no :)[11:45:55] <@JBurton> :P[11:48:31] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[11:49:10] <sys2> haiku builds under haiku now? :>[11:50:09] <@JBurton> sys2 maybe[11:50:11] <@JBurton> :)[11:51:07] *** Konrad has quit IRC[11:51:55] <Dr3w|Work> that will be a nice milestone![11:52:28] <Dr3w|Work> The three milestones I was looking forward to was 1) Booting on real hardware 2) Booting to a GUI 3) Self hosting build.[11:52:59] <Dr3w|Work> The next ones are 4) OpenTracker and OpenDeskbar building and running.[11:57:51] <Dr3w|Work> oh, and of course PowerPC versions of the above milestones![11:58:12] <@JBurton> you want too much :)[11:58:55] *** S|LeNtBoB has quit IRC[11:59:28] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[12:05:29] *** Euver has quit IRC[12:06:14] *** Euver has joined #haiku[12:07:17] *** ProctonW has quit IRC[12:18:15] *** crash|_ has quit IRC[12:29:32] <Dr3w|Work> KT Tunstel is really good.[12:29:38] <Dr3w|Work> I recommend her to you all[12:32:57] <@JBurton> bbl lunch[12:35:53] *** crash|_ has joined #haiku[12:37:48] *** Euver has quit IRC[12:38:50] *** muco has joined #haiku[12:39:45] *** ProctonW has joined #haiku[12:49:34] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[12:52:43] *** illissius has joined #haiku[13:00:37] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[13:01:47] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[13:18:52] <Dr3w|Work> Hey hey hey![13:19:59] * muco looks for krusty[13:25:21] *** Konrad has quit IRC[13:25:50] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[13:33:18] *** Methe has joined #haiku[13:42:22] <Dr3w|Work> grrr[13:52:49] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[13:53:01] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:53:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:53:10] <CIA-6> jackburton * r13438 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Menu.cpp: Avoid calling ComputeLayout() if the menu is not attached to a BWindow. Small cleanups.[13:55:44] *** slaad has quit IRC[14:10:38] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[14:11:39] <CIA-6> jackburton * r13439 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/ShutdownProcess.cpp: I obviously broke the r5 build with the last commit. Fixed.[14:13:07] <@Korli> JBurton you're obviously on a commit row :)[14:13:48] <@JBurton> eheh[14:14:06] <@JBurton> well actually I just wanted to commit the menu change. But Konrad told me about the building problem, so... :)[14:14:26] <Konrad> JBurton its easy to blame the swede, right =)[14:14:30] <@JBurton> eheheh[14:14:37] <Konrad> Iam watching you =)[14:14:50] <@Korli> hmm private talkings are happening ...[14:15:14] <Konrad> I just runned tracker from Haiku.. (Atleast I saw Trash and Haiku on my desktop)[14:16:23] <@JBurton> really ?????!?!?!!?![14:16:33] <Konrad> Yes[14:16:36] <@JBurton> oh[14:16:43] <Konrad> You will get the popup menu aswell[14:17:02] <Konrad> YOu needed to select the desktop to invalidate it ( then the icons appeared)[14:17:09] <@Korli> JBurton your opinion on ScreenSaver kit ? I'm starting to think we should take it over[14:18:28] <@JBurton> Korli me too :)[14:18:43] <@JBurton> Konrad that's cool :)[14:18:54] <Konrad> Tes[14:18:56] <Konrad> Yes, even[14:19:07] <Konrad> BeMAil looked almost correct in Haiku[14:19:18] <Konrad> The height is to small on the BTextControls[14:19:50] <@Korli> Konrad very cool[14:19:59] <@Korli> we're very cool :p[14:20:04] <@JBurton> Konrad screenshots ? :)[14:20:15] <@JBurton> btw I think Axel already tried Tracker[14:20:29] <Konrad> JBurton it hangs quite often when I press printscrn[14:20:33] <@JBurton> oic[14:21:09] <@JBurton> at least... "AS_LAYER_GET_CLIP_REGION missed a Flush() in case the view was not hidden,[14:21:09] <@JBurton> and that put apps that used it to sleep (for example, Tracker is using it).[14:21:10] <@JBurton> "[14:21:17] <@JBurton> so I guess he tried Tracker[14:22:09] <Konrad> Ill see if I can a shot..[14:22:11] <Konrad> brb[14:22:13] <Konrad> Hopefully[14:22:14] *** Konrad has quit IRC[14:26:45] *** muco has quit IRC[14:38:47] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[15:05:40] *** Lebuzzer has joined #haiku[15:06:01] <Lebuzzer> tic[15:07:03] <@JBurton> Korli konrad is gone :)[15:07:14] <@JBurton> he said: <Konrad> brb[15:07:15] <@JBurton> <Konrad> Hopefully[15:07:20] <@JBurton> O_o[15:07:36] <Lebuzzer> Hi JBurton, Korli[15:07:38] *** Lt_Henry has joined #haiku[15:08:07] <@Korli> JBurton what ?[15:08:22] <@Korli> JBurton ingo is recruiting on the commit mailing list, ahah[15:09:34] <@JBurton> eheh[15:09:57] <@JBurton> Korli I mean, last konrad's words seemed to imply he could not get back[15:10:02] <@JBurton> and he hasn't returned yet :)[15:10:31] <@Korli> maybe he enjoys playing with haiku[15:11:46] <@JBurton> could be[15:11:48] <Dr3w|Work> I can't work this out :([15:12:09] <Dr3w|Work> JBurton: do you know how/where the files are where gcc knows how to build for targets for beos/elf?[15:13:08] <@Korli> Dr3w|Work I'd suggest to ask Oliver Tappe, if it was just me :)[15:13:24] <@Korli> Dr3w|Work don't bother and ask him[15:14:37] <Dr3w|Work> I don't understand that :)[15:16:19] *** lizdeika has quit IRC[15:18:44] <Dr3w|Work> Korli: what do you mean? "I'd suggest to ask Oliver Tappe, if it was just me" "don't bother and ask him"[15:20:29] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[15:21:56] <@JBurton> I don't know anything about coff or elf, Dr3w|Work :)[15:22:10] <@JBurton> nor about gcc[15:22:11] <@JBurton> :P[15:22:12] <@JBurton> sorry[15:23:26] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[15:24:24] <Dr3w|Work> no problem :)[15:35:21] <@Korli> Dr3w|Work I meant don't bother yourself and ask him to make a ppc haiku target[15:35:46] <Dr3w|Work> :)[15:36:55] <CIA-6> axeld * r13440 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/translators/ (92 files in 4 dirs): Removed execute property from source files.[15:43:20] *** m_afk has quit IRC[15:55:43] *** Konrad has quit IRC[16:01:54] <CIA-6> axeld * r13441 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/View.cpp: Fixed DrawBitmapAsync() rectangle variants.[16:04:28] *** tqh has joined #haiku[16:11:34] *** Sil2100 has joined #haiku[16:12:39] *** crash|_ has quit IRC[16:13:41] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[16:15:17] *** The_Raven has joined #haiku[16:19:23] *** Konrad has quit IRC[16:28:50] *** emwe__ has joined #haiku[16:32:17] <CIA-6> axeld * r13442 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/TokenSpace.cpp: Cleanup.[16:33:28] *** emwe has quit IRC[16:33:29] *** emwe__ is now known as emwe[16:47:05] <CIA-6> axeld * r13443 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/TokenSpace.cpp: GetToken() did not check for the correct token type.[16:47:15] *** Korli has quit IRC[16:48:14] <Dr3w|Work> is the haiku kernel a static linked elf binary file?[16:49:18] *** The_Raven has quit IRC[16:49:22] <@JBurton> er...[16:49:28] <@JBurton> I have no idea actually :)[16:50:19] *** tqh has quit IRC[16:52:38] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[16:56:47] *** Mazon is now known as mazon[16:57:16] *** DarthVader has joined #haiku[17:05:18] *** emwe has quit IRC[17:05:22] *** sys2 has quit IRC[17:06:11] *** Dr3w|Work has quit IRC[17:15:17] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:20:01] *** dos4gw is now known as Dr_Evil[17:20:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dr_Evil[17:20:46] <@JBurton> hi Dr_Evil[17:22:07] <@Dr_Evil> hi JBurton[17:24:54] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[17:36:38] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[17:41:06] <CIA-6> stippi * r13444 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/app/playground/ (5 files): embedding ObjectView into a BScrollView to show off scrolling, drawing mode selection actually works, simplified States[17:41:53] *** Korli has joined #haiku[17:41:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[17:42:26] <CIA-6> stippi * r13445 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/app/bitmap_drawing/main.cpp: shows an animation in the bitmap to show off offscreen bitmap drawing[17:43:00] <CIA-6> stippi * r13446 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/app/copy_bits/ (Jamfile main.cpp): small enhancement[17:43:34] <CIA-6> stippi * r13447 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/app/scrolling/ (Jamfile main.cpp): small enhancement[17:44:35] <@JBurton> yay[17:44:48] * SiCuTDeUx is back (gone 11:02:10)[17:46:23] <Methe> yay is the word JBurton =))[17:46:36] <@JBurton> well I don't think he's finished yet Methe :)[17:46:44] * Methe awaits =)))[17:46:55] <Methe> erf[17:46:57] <Methe> I'm off to work[17:46:59] <Methe> c u later[17:47:03] <@JBurton> later[17:47:05] <@JBurton> tomorrow[17:47:05] <@JBurton> :)[17:47:06] <Methe> keep up CIA spam[17:47:08] <Methe> =)[17:47:17] <Methe> CIA is spamming you ![17:47:18] <Methe> :xx[17:47:54] <@JBurton> :)[17:52:00] *** ChrisK077 has joined #haiku[17:54:36] *** JBurton has quit IRC[17:57:45] *** emwe has joined #haiku[18:02:16] *** Korli has quit IRC[18:12:14] *** mahlzeit has joined #haiku[18:12:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mahlzeit[18:13:14] *** mahlzeit has quit IRC[18:13:18] *** mahlzeit has joined #haiku[18:13:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mahlzeit[18:17:35] <CIA-6> stippi * r13448 /haiku/trunk/ (37 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)[18:17:35] <CIA-6> offscreen bitmaps work, tested on Haiku as well, supports all colorspaces that[18:17:35] <CIA-6> BBitmap::ImportBits() supports. It uses a fallback for non-B_RGB(A)32 bitmaps.[18:17:35] <CIA-6> Added support for B_SUB_PIXEL_PRECISION view flags, though it is a bit hacky,[18:17:35] <CIA-6> since I had to add it to LayerData, even though it is not a true part of stack[18:17:35] <CIA-6> data. Added Layer::SetFlags() to enforce code path and update fLayerData.[18:17:37] <CIA-6> Cleaned up DisplayDriverPainter and DisplayDriver API (changed some const BRect&[18:19:21] <CIA-6> stippi * r13449 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/Looper.cpp: just in case someone continues in the debugger[18:21:41] *** Lt_Henry has quit IRC[18:23:29] *** ChrisK077 has quit IRC[18:31:08] <CIA-6> stippi * r13450 /haiku/trunk/ (14 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)[18:31:09] <CIA-6> MenuField layouts the menu bar better with respect to fDivider, it aligns better[18:31:09] <CIA-6> with other controls. fDivider in TextControl is an integer number now, small fix[18:31:09] <CIA-6> and small cleanup in Menu, Window::InitData takes an optional BBitmap token to[18:31:09] <CIA-6> construct an offscreen window, fixed PrivateScreen IndexForColor, View prevents[18:31:09] <CIA-6> being located at fractional coordinates as in R5, BBitmap unlocks its offscreen[18:31:11] <CIA-6> window since it is never Show()n and needs manual unlocking, fixed Slider[18:32:45] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[18:35:54] <agentmumu> oh my god: http://science.slashdot.org/science/05/07/05/1422222.shtml?tid=133&tid=160[18:36:52] <AnEvilYak> geez[18:39:04] *** Sil2100 has quit IRC[18:40:11] *** xeD has quit IRC[18:41:02] <ottoaim> haha[18:44:08] *** xeD has joined #haiku[18:46:16] *** tic has quit IRC[18:46:49] <Lebuzzer> tic[18:47:10] <@Dr_Evil> agentmumu much worse is this: http://www.transterrestrial.com/archives/005451.html#005451[18:56:03] *** konrad has joined #haiku[19:00:37] <agentmumu> Dr_Evil: wired[19:05:25] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:11:09] *** McCall has left #haiku[19:12:36] <@mahlzeit> that crazy astronomer threatened to do this a few months back already[19:12:51] * AnEvilYak chomps on mahlzeit[19:12:55] <@mahlzeit> eek![19:14:01] *** Dr3w|Linux has joined #haiku[19:14:21] *** tic has joined #haiku[19:15:11] *** Sil2100 has joined #haiku[19:16:41] <Dr3w|Linux> if I am running diff -rcp how do I get the output to a .patch file?"[19:17:14] <agentmumu> diff -rcp > la.patch[19:17:14] <agentmumu> ?[19:17:50] *** TLF has joined #haiku[19:18:04] <Dr3w|Linux> ah, that simple. OK.[19:18:07] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:21:40] *** xeD has quit IRC[19:22:45] <CIA-6> axeld * r13451 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/private/app/TokenSpace.h src/kits/app/TokenSpace.cpp):[19:22:45] <CIA-6> Cleanup. Added BTokenSpace::GetList(), though it's probably not needed after all[19:22:45] <CIA-6> (we can still remove it later if needed).[19:22:45] <CIA-6> Added B_SERVER_TOKEN type.[19:27:00] <CIA-6> marcusoverhagen * r13452 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/media/media_server.cpp: spelling fix[19:31:03] <CIA-6> axeld * r13453 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Implemented get_token_list() and get_window_info() client side.[19:37:41] *** konrad has quit IRC[19:37:54] *** konrad77 has joined #haiku[19:39:20] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[19:39:54] *** emwe has quit IRC[19:42:17] <@Dr_Evil> mahlzeit you here?[19:48:34] <Dr3w|Linux> gmail is broke![19:49:15] <konrad77> Dr3w|Linux just login again without closing the session helped (atleast it worked over here 5 minutes ago)[19:50:33] <[Beta]> <Konrad> I just runned tracker from Haiku.. (Atleast I saw Trash and Haiku on my desktop)[19:50:34] <[Beta]> :O[19:50:52] <konrad77> [Beta] great.. I runned it before..[19:50:54] <Dr3w|Linux> Oooo you gotta get a screenshot of that![19:51:04] <agentmumu> cool![19:51:06] <konrad77> Dr3w|Linux I have, but they are in BeOS[19:51:23] <konrad77> Its not much to see, 2 icons, and a cursor =)[19:51:29] <[Beta]> konrad77: I was quoting you :p[19:51:35] <[Beta]> agentmumu: can you get a screenie?[19:51:35] <agentmumu> how about deskbar?[19:51:36] <konrad77> BootVolume and Trash[19:51:38] <[Beta]> I know you love them..[19:51:53] <konrad77> [Beta] press printscreen, and then type sync in your terminal[19:51:57] <Dr3w|Linux> do either open a window?[19:52:15] <[Beta]> konrad77: /me isnt near haiku atm, infact, just off to the cinema.[19:52:18] <konrad77> after you reboot to BeOS you will have screen1.tga or something in your Haiku home[19:52:30] <konrad77> Dr3w|Linux no[19:52:33] <agentmumu> [Beta]: yes, i just have to get the new commits and compile it[19:53:05] <konrad77> agentmumu Deskbar doesnt run, it never starts on my machine.[19:53:15] <agentmumu> konrad77: does starting tracker hang the app_server?[19:53:26] <konrad77> agentmumu nope[19:53:41] <[Beta]> konrad77: you ran it just like an app ?[19:53:45] <konrad77> I started it ( I compiled it from the apps ) and just placed it there[19:53:49] <konrad77> Hmm[19:54:14] <konrad77> Haiku's apps, copied the binary to apps, because its not part of the makehdimage script[19:55:40] <konrad77> [Beta] yes, just like an app[19:56:14] <konrad77> I can reboot and show you[19:56:18] *** konrad77 has quit IRC[19:57:41] *** Konrad77 has joined #haiku[19:58:30] <Konrad77> Here are some shots[19:58:32] <Konrad77> http://beos.redirectme.net/Tracker1%2Epng[19:58:34] <Konrad77> http://beos.redirectme.net/TrackerPopup%2Epng[19:58:36] <Konrad77> http://beos.redirectme.net/TrackerSelect%2Epng[19:58:40] <Konrad77> http://beos.redirectme.net/Desktop%2Epng[19:59:20] <scanty> Konrad77, : that's on Haiku?[19:59:24] <[Beta]> no in-haiku grabs?[19:59:37] <Konrad77> scanty yes[19:59:40] <scanty> awesome![19:59:54] <Konrad77> Yes, they who workes on it are great[20:00:00] <Konrad77> Iam just shaky with my camera =)[20:00:16] <[Beta]> hmmm[20:00:23] *** dos4gw has joined #haiku[20:02:09] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[20:02:11] *** dos4gw is now known as Dr_Evil[20:02:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dr_Evil[20:02:51] <scanty> the font rendering looks really nice[20:02:58] <scanty> I guess that's due to AGG?[20:03:32] <Konrad77> Its using freetype, or what is it called[20:03:36] <scanty> oh right[20:03:38] <scanty> AGG was for the UI[20:05:08] <CIA-6> marcusoverhagen * r13454 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 6 dirs): adjusted media kit library dependencies to allow compiling for R5[20:08:27] *** Sil2100 has quit IRC[20:09:53] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[20:11:12] *** The_Raven has joined #haiku[20:14:31] <CIA-6> axeld * r13455 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (5 files):[20:14:31] <CIA-6> Implemented AS_GET_WINDOW_LIST and AS_GET_WINDOW_INFO.[20:14:31] <CIA-6> Renamed Desktop::FindWinBorderByServerWindowTokenAndTeamID() to FindWinBorderByClientToken().[20:14:31] <CIA-6> Every ServerWindow now gets a server token.[20:15:36] <@mahlzeit> Dr_Evil: i'm here![20:18:00] *** axeld has joined #haiku[20:18:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[20:18:45] *** Zaranthos has quit IRC[20:19:03] *** Korli has joined #haiku[20:19:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[20:19:25] <@Korli> Dr_Evil did you test your media file finally ?[20:20:11] <@axeld> Hi Korli[20:20:52] <@axeld> Dr_Evil: the media server didn't run anymore under Dano (but I guess you fixed that in the mean time), and I was also tempted to fix that spelling error :-)[20:21:52] <@Korli> hey axeld[20:21:56] <CIA-6> axeld * r13456 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/storage/FindDirectory.cpp:[20:21:56] <CIA-6> Removed extra version of find_directory() - it is supposed to live in libroot.so,[20:21:56] <CIA-6> and in fact, already does it for quite some time :)[20:22:05] <@Korli> didn't notice you were here[20:22:20] <@axeld> just logged in[20:22:22] *** Konrad77 has quit IRC[20:23:33] *** Begasus has quit IRC[20:24:58] <Dr3w|Linux> axel is the powerpc kernel you can build a static binary file?[20:25:05] <Dr3w|Linux> static elf binary?[20:25:32] *** Konrad77 has joined #haiku[20:26:16] <Dr3w|Linux> BootX will boot static elf kernels. I was thinking of running it and seeing what happens...[20:27:19] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[20:29:57] <scanty> hi Begasus[20:29:59] <@axeld> Dr3w|Linux: it's a static binary file, yes[20:30:07] <Begasus> hey scanty[20:30:08] <@axeld> Dr3w|Linux: but, it won't run this way :)[20:30:16] <Dr3w|Linux> what do you mean?[20:30:19] <Begasus> I see you made your way in here ;)[20:30:23] <@axeld> Dr3w|Linux: you would need to run the boot_loader[20:30:29] <@axeld> which is also a static binary[20:30:41] <@axeld> Dr3w|Linux: BootX where, btw?[20:30:44] <scanty> Begasus, yeah... here is more interesting than BeShare... I feel more at home here :)[20:31:02] <scanty> found some hardware hackers in here too, like myself :)[20:31:04] <Begasus> seems BeShare is dying ..[20:31:11] <Dr3w|Linux> http://www.h2o.demon.co.uk/haiku/BootX.pdf[20:31:48] <scanty> Begasus, yes... it's getting *really* lame there.[20:31:54] <Dr3w|Linux> try that PDF for a start, http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/bootx/ is the official site.[20:32:04] <scanty> too many annoying newbies and people arguing about nonsense always[20:32:11] <Begasus> and the action shifted to IRC some time ago allready ..[20:32:15] <Begasus> hehe[20:32:32] <Dr3w|Linux> I was thinking of trying to get hold of a copy of CodeWarrior and Haiku'izing the boot loader with none of the Linux and penguin crap :)[20:33:23] <scanty> I should have come here *ages* ago[20:35:45] <@axeld> Dr3w|Linux: I meant on which hardware :-)[20:36:15] <Dr3w|Linux> Oh, on my beige PowerMac G3 :)[20:36:48] * mahlzeit still has an r3 codewarrior[20:36:50] <@axeld> Dr3w|Linux: but now that I had a look at it, you'd need to adapt it to Haiku's needs[20:37:07] <Dr3w|Linux> what would need doing?[20:38:04] <Dr3w|Linux> axel I got binutils working with --target=powerpc-pc-haiku last night too.[20:38:20] <CIA-6> axeld * r13457 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/Desktop.cpp: Stippi's commit accidently changed the initial screen size.[20:38:30] <@axeld> Dr3w|Linux: nice[20:38:48] <scanty> Dr3w|Linux, when you've got time... would you be interested in helping me getting a toolchain going for SPARC?[20:38:48] <@axeld> Dr3w|Linux: the current PPC boot loader heavily relies on OpenFirmware[20:38:51] <Dr3w|Linux> struggling with gcc though.[20:41:22] <Dr3w|Linux> I would need CodeWarrior 4 to do work on BootX.[20:41:32] *** Lebuzzer has quit IRC[20:41:37] <Dr3w|Linux> does anyone here have that - for MacOS?[20:46:15] *** Lebuzzer has joined #haiku[20:46:22] <Lebuzzer> tic[20:46:25] <tic> moo Lebuzzer[20:46:28] <Lebuzzer> hey![20:46:35] <Lebuzzer> Just wrote to you, but chatting's better. :-)[20:46:37] *** fyysik has quit IRC[20:46:45] <tic> oh, was actually about to leave.... :)[20:47:05] <CIA-6> axeld * r13458 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ServerWindow.cpp:[20:47:05] <CIA-6> Fixed the newly introduced hang when a menu item was selected (which was only one[20:47:05] <CIA-6> of the consequences): a forgotten rootLayer->Lock()...[20:47:57] <Dr3w|Linux> ok I have girlfriend duties now, if anyone knows anyone who can get hold of a legit copy of CodeWarrior 4 for MacOS can you email me andrew.mccall at gmail dot com. I need to try and get a copy so I can alter BootX.[20:48:05] <Dr3w|Linux> be back later![20:48:44] * mahlzeit suggests ebay[20:48:57] <Dr3w|Linux> still here.[20:49:01] <Dr3w|Linux> just looked - nothing there.[20:49:07] <@mahlzeit> ahlzeit> ah[20:50:01] <scanty> Dr3w|Linux, I may have it on CD somewhere, I'll look tonight.[20:52:24] <CIA-6> marcusoverhagen * r13459 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/game/ (DirectWindow.cpp Jamfile WindowScreen.cpp):[20:52:24] <CIA-6> Fixed build of libgame.so on TARGET_PLATFORM= dano or r5 so now[20:52:24] <CIA-6> we can build MediaKit (which requires replacing libgame.so) for[20:52:24] <CIA-6> targets haiku, r5 and dano. For building on Zeta, use platform dano.[20:53:31] <@Dr_Evil> hi axeld![20:54:49] <@axeld> Hi Dr_Evil![20:54:50] *** The_Raven has quit IRC[20:56:03] * Dr_Evil noticed that using a libgame.so that requires BRegion::set_size() (build for r5 or haiku) on Zeta gives you a lot of trouble[20:56:31] <@mahlzeit> Dr_Evil: you wanted to talk to me?[20:57:05] <@Dr_Evil> when building MediaKit for r5, haiku or dano (Zeta) it should no longer link against haiku libbe.so[20:57:38] <@Dr_Evil> mahlzeit yes, but I already fixed it myself[20:58:04] <@axeld> Dr_Evil: why not?[20:58:16] <@mahlzeit> what was it?[21:01:24] <@Korli> Dr_Evil yeah why ?[21:02:05] <@Dr_Evil> zeta doesn't have BRegion::set_size() in libbe.so[21:02:28] <@Dr_Evil> Sounds prefs was linked againsts libgame.so and libbe.so[21:03:12] <@Dr_Evil> so when budiling libgame.so for haiku, that would work, but would require BRegion::set_size() later[21:03:36] <@Dr_Evil> when building MediaKit for R5, and libgame.so already existed, it wasn't rebuild[21:04:20] <@Dr_Evil> and you end with a complete media kit, that, when putting libgame.so into Zeta, will for example make Terminal unuseable, since it can't load libgame.so as it can't find set_size[21:05:06] <CIA-6> korli * r13460 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/soundrecorder/ (RecorderWindow.cpp RecorderWindow.h ScopeView.cpp):[21:05:06] <CIA-6> now count frames only once[21:05:06] <CIA-6> release files and tracks[21:08:35] <@Korli> Dr_Evil if you mix up targets when building, it's up to you, not the build system to manage these targets[21:08:45] *** durin42 has left #haiku[21:08:57] <@Dr_Evil> Ko[21:10:16] <@Korli> so building media kit for any targets requires a clean up phase[21:10:43] <@Dr_Evil> Korli yes, I added libgame.so as target for MediaKit[21:12:06] <@Dr_Evil> it wouldn't build libgame.so properly for trget r5 or dano[21:12:10] *** scanty is now known as scanty|WORK[21:12:11] <scanty|WORK> bbl[21:12:22] <@Korli> Dr_Evil btw I got this line when quitting a media app : "PluginManager: Error, unloading PlugIn mp3_decoder with usecount 1"[21:13:27] <@Dr_Evil> media kit just froze zeta[21:14:55] <@Dr_Evil> got a phone call[21:15:39] <@mahlzeit> when your phone rings your computer crashes? cool[21:16:55] <@Dr_Evil> well, the main problem was the dependency of libgame.so to haiku libbe.so even when buidling for target r5 ![21:17:17] <@Dr_Evil> this is fixed now[21:18:33] <@Korli> Dr_Evil just noticed two PutPlugins is missing in PluginManager.cpp (todo)[21:20:06] <agentmumu> Konrad77: tracker is crashing app_server for me[21:20:07] <@Dr_Evil> And I don't know why zeta freezes when loading haiku media_server, I had this problem some time ago, but it disappeared after a few reboots[21:20:25] <CIA-6> axeld * r13461 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):[21:20:25] <CIA-6> Renamed AS_WINDOW_TITLE to AS_SET_WINDOW_TITLE.[21:20:25] <CIA-6> Fixed handling in ServerWindow as stippi's latest commit broke it.[21:20:25] <CIA-6> It's now properly done with a separate ServerWindow::SetTitle() method,[21:20:25] <CIA-6> that will also take care to rename the window's thread.[21:20:26] <CIA-6> Changed naming the window thread in the app_server to "w:<team>:<title>".[21:20:49] <Konrad77> agentmumu ok..[21:20:57] <@Dr_Evil> mouse and keybaord still work, unreal command in kernel debugger doesn't help[21:21:07] <@Dr_Evil> Tracker, Deskbar and Team Monitor don't redraw[21:21:30] <@Dr_Evil> Zeta neo that is[21:23:47] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:23:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:24:49] <tic> What does "unreal" do?[21:25:04] *** dos4gw has joined #haiku[21:25:13] <AnEvilYak> drops a thread from real time to regular priority.[21:25:20] <tic> ah.[21:25:30] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[21:25:31] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:25:36] *** dos4gw is now known as Dr_Evil[21:25:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dr_Evil[21:26:15] <@Dr_Evil> re[21:26:54] <@Korli> Dr_Evil why don't we keep the plugin as fDecoderPlugin in BMediaDecoder::SetTo() ?[21:27:24] <@Korli> it would make easy to release the plugin on destruction[21:28:49] *** sys2 has joined #haiku[21:28:56] <@Dr_Evil> I don'T know[21:32:22] <@Dr_Evil> this problem is reproduceable[21:32:34] <@Dr_Evil> it happens when starting media_server on Zeta[21:33:09] <@Dr_Evil> the replaced libmedia and libgame are no problem, but as soon as media_server is started, Tracker, Terminal, Deskbar etc. will stop redrawing[21:35:19] <@Dr_Evil> axeld any idea?[21:35:51] <@axeld> Dr_Evil: not at all[21:36:05] <@axeld> Dr_Evil: do they just stop drawing, or does the app_server crash or lock up?[21:36:34] *** Konrad77 has quit IRC[21:36:53] <@Dr_Evil> no, I can still move them[21:37:05] <@Dr_Evil> and resize, but the inside is no longer drawn[21:37:38] <@mmu_man> can you "hey" the app ?[21:37:41] <@Dr_Evil> serial debug output has no interesting information[21:37:53] <@Dr_Evil> I can't type anything in a terminal[21:37:58] <@mmu_man> what are the window thread waiting on ?[21:38:03] <@Dr_Evil> didn't try telnet so far[21:38:10] <@mmu_man> ah :)[21:38:19] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man wait, I'll check that[21:38:31] *** Zaranthos has joined #haiku[21:41:37] <@Korli> Dr_Evil I got this behavior when the graphics driver was misbehaving[21:41:40] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[21:46:08] *** The_Raven has joined #haiku[21:46:58] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man when haiku media kit is compiled with DEBUG=7 zeta does not have this problem[21:48:47] <@mmu_man> which version ?[21:48:53] <@Dr_Evil> neo[21:48:58] <@mmu_man> does it do it with R1 as well ? :P[21:49:20] <@Dr_Evil> I haven't received R1, but Bernd said he would mail it today[21:49:58] <tic> Bah, Mensys didn't manage to take my money.[21:50:48] * Dr_Evil rebuilds with DEBUG=1[21:53:43] <@Dr_Evil> no problem with DEBUG=1[21:53:52] <@Dr_Evil> trying again without debug[21:54:27] <@Dr_Evil> axeld I noticed that it plays the mp2 file properly that I wanted to check yesterday![21:54:46] <@Dr_Evil> (this means I did something wrong in th DVB plugin stuff)[21:54:51] <@axeld> Dr_Evil: good to know[21:55:54] <agentmumu> Dr_Evil: you do work at daimler chrysler right?[21:56:05] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[21:56:05] *** Konrad has quit IRC[21:56:11] <@Dr_Evil> agentmumu yes[21:57:00] <agentmumu> Dr_Evil: do you know how much kilowatt the strongest bus at daimler chrysler has?[21:57:27] <agentmumu> because someone tries to tell me that normal busses have about 900hp, what I don't believe[21:58:44] <@geist> might have a lot of torque[21:58:48] *** Fanskap has joined #haiku[21:58:58] <@geist> but big engines like that tend to have reasonably low hp/kw ratings[21:59:14] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[21:59:25] <@Dr_Evil> bus like overlan bus/ coach?[21:59:27] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[22:00:13] <agentmumu> Dr_Evil: yes, big busses, like the ones from public transport[22:01:16] <@Dr_Evil> up to 310 kW / 422 horsepower I think[22:01:34] <agentmumu> Dr_Evil: thanks :)[22:02:55] *** Lebuzzer has quit IRC[22:07:36] *** Konrad has quit IRC[22:07:58] <@Dr_Evil> well you can get up to 448 kw/ 609 hp, but I don't know it thats for a bus http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/Projects/wi/channel/files/20621leporello_d_small.pdf[22:09:27] <agentmumu> ah, perfekt thanks :)[22:10:53] <@Dr_Evil> now I can't reproduce the problem, even with a non debug build[22:11:01] <PulkoMandy> +++[22:11:01] <@Dr_Evil> restarting[22:11:14] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:12:24] *** Koki has joined #haiku[22:15:56] <Fanskap> hmm anyone tried to run Zeta R1 on a mobility ATI chipset? :)[22:24:55] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man the problem is once again unreproducable[22:25:36] <@Dr_Evil> even after deleting all files, rebuidling without debug, putting the old setting files in place, etc :([22:26:37] <@Dr_Evil> it might have been related to cleaning the Trash inbetween and läunching addon-server by app_sig[22:28:22] <@mmu_man> Fanskap I had some probs on an ASUS laptop[22:28:35] <@mmu_man> had to hack with the interrupt stuff[22:28:41] <@mmu_man> has an ATI IXP chipset[22:28:47] <CIA-6> axeld * r13462 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):[22:28:47] <CIA-6> As it turns out, window_info::type is really the window's "feel".[22:28:47] <CIA-6> Basic support for the desktop window feel: WinBorder will now resize[22:28:47] <CIA-6> a window with kDesktopWindowFeel to span over the whole screen.[22:28:47] <CIA-6> Minor cleanup.[22:30:05] <CIA-6> korli * r13463 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/soundrecorder/TrackSlider.cpp: TrackSlider doesn't need pointer history[22:33:19] <CIA-6> axeld * r13464 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/ (app/WindowInfo.h interface/WindowInfo.h): Moved WindowInfo.h from private/app to private/interface.[22:37:05] <@Korli> is there a BStringView which can be disabled ? as the label of BMenuField[22:40:09] <@axeld> Korli: I think the labels are drawn manually[22:40:26] <@axeld> Korli: but BTextControl should have this logic already, doesn't it?[22:40:53] <@axeld> hm... but isn't the label always drawn "normal"`?[22:41:01] <@axeld> (maybe it just uses BStringView, dunno)[22:41:17] <@Dr_Evil> thread 2993 ('System Clock control') in team 2348 : tried to acquire kernel sem 8![22:41:22] <@Dr_Evil> any idea how to debug that?[22:42:48] <@Dr_Evil> switching to KDL and typing "sem" wasn't such a bright idea, the list is endless[22:43:30] <@Dr_Evil> I think this is a bug in haiku media kit, as I have seen such messages occasionally, but never could find the reason[22:43:37] <@geist> ist> is there some sort of way to dump a single sem[22:43:41] <@geist> ie, 'sem 8'?[22:44:08] <Procton> from a shell?[22:44:12] <@geist> from KDL[22:44:27] <Procton> from KDL I don't know.[22:44:43] <@Dr_Evil> I just have to wait for the sem list to end, I think it takes about 10 minutes at 19200 baud[22:44:54] <@geist> ah[22:44:57] <@Korli> axeld I have a BMenuField with a label "Length" and a BStringView to show "Seconds"[22:45:06] <@geist> that's a lot of sems[22:45:28] <@Korli> the BMenuField (and its label) is disabled when recording, but not the BStringView "Seconds"[22:45:44] <@axeld> Hi geist[22:46:25] <@Dr_Evil> sem slot 0x8 name: rootfs sud 0x8 semcnt 0, queue 0x01163408 sem holder (thread id): 286 (w>/boot/home/Desktop)[22:46:38] <@axeld> Dr_Evil: you could also just do a "listsem | grep 8" or something similar[22:46:51] <@Dr_Evil> axeld I only have KDL[22:46:58] <@Dr_Evil> userland is frozen[22:47:01] <@axeld> Dr_Evil: oops[22:47:06] <@axeld> Dr_Evil: how's that?[22:47:30] <@axeld> Anyway, "sem 8" as geist pointed out should work[22:47:43] <@Dr_Evil> sem slot 0x8 name: rootfs sid 0x8 semcnt 0, queue 0x01163408 sem holder (thread id): 286 (w>/boot/home/Desktop)[22:47:49] <@Dr_Evil> I already found it int the list[22:48:42] <@Dr_Evil> it's now at slot 0xa100[22:48:57] <@axeld> then look if thread 286 is waiting for some other semaphore?[22:49:07] <@axeld> What do you mean with "it's now at ..."?[22:49:20] <@axeld> If it's really the rootfs lock, it shouldn't change :)[22:49:30] <@Dr_Evil> typing "sem" print out all 15000 semaphore "slots"[22:49:54] <@Dr_Evil> must be more, it's now at 0xf000[22:50:01] <@axeld> ah, okay[22:50:07] <@Dr_Evil> finished at 0xfff6 ![22:50:07] <@axeld> still not through :)[22:50:17] <@axeld> not too bad :)[22:50:40] <@axeld> userland is locked up, you say?[22:50:43] <@Dr_Evil> I need to find out how/why this happend: thread 2993 ('System Clock control') in team 2348 : tried to acquire kernel sem 8![22:50:45] <@axeld> How did that happen?[22:51:03] <@axeld> Is "System Clock control" your thread?[22:51:15] <@Dr_Evil> after a trip to KDL and back it's no longer locked[22:51:18] <@Dr_Evil> but is was locked[22:51:22] <@Dr_Evil> yes, thats my thread[22:51:46] <@axeld> Then you should be able to see where it tries to acquire_sem(), don't you?[22:52:12] <@axeld> I had a similar bug in Window.cpp - it accessed a semaphore that was not always initialized[22:52:32] <@axeld> Strangely enough, it was always set to the same (wrong) value that was also a kernel semaphore - luckily[22:52:39] <@axeld> (or else I wouldn't have found it)[22:52:56] <@Dr_Evil> Node "System Clock" has control port 1170, nothing wrong here[22:54:35] <@axeld> no direct or indirect acquire_sem?[22:54:46] <@axeld> (not in a port)[23:00:16] *** bencer has joined #haiku[23:02:52] <@Dr_Evil> well, it does a few snooze[23:03:03] <Fanskap> mmu_man: hmm okey.. but no problem using the inbuilt panel? like the problems in the talkback for the bebits ati driver?[23:03:56] <@mmu_man> hmm no but it's using VESA anyway[23:04:01] <@mmu_man> like nothing is supported[23:04:32] <@mmu_man> hmm well the NIC got supported once I fixed a nasty bug in the pci scan which didn't scan bridges which weren't the first func in a device[23:04:32] <@Dr_Evil> there are few acquire_sem in media kit, none should be used by time source node[23:05:08] <@mmu_man> (whoever makes PCI bridges in multifunc devices should be atomized)[23:06:23] <Fanskap> hmm ok well sounds like it's not worth for me to use then :/ agh.. being without BeOS drives me insane :D[23:07:28] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[23:07:32] <@Dr_Evil> fControlPort doesn't seem to be guilty[23:11:21] <@Dr_Evil> axeld I think I found it[23:11:30] <@Dr_Evil> its struct SlaveNodes[23:11:39] <@Dr_Evil> which contains a BLocker[23:11:49] <@Dr_Evil> but the struct is allocated with malloc[23:11:56] <@Dr_Evil> and then BAutoLocker is used to lock it[23:12:06] <@Dr_Evil> can't work :([23:12:57] <@axeld> Dr_Evil: that's a good candidate :-)[23:13:10] <@axeld> nice[23:13:19] <Methe> evening Haikuers[23:17:12] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[23:19:40] *** Begasus has quit IRC[23:21:32] <@mmu_man> Dr_Evil arf :)[23:23:53] *** Dr3w|Linux has quit IRC[23:29:21] *** The_Raven has quit IRC[23:30:43] *** ablyss has left #haiku[23:32:53] *** Dr3w|Linux has joined #haiku[23:35:45] <CIA-6> marcusoverhagen * r13465 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/media/TimeSource.h src/kits/media/TimeSource.cpp):[23:35:45] <CIA-6> This fix should prevent TimeSource control thread from using random semaphores,[23:35:45] <CIA-6> by no longer using an uninitialized Blocker object.[23:36:44] <@Dr_Evil> axeld can you have a look at the memset change, in this commit, is it correct?[23:36:56] <@Dr_Evil> and perhaps a small code review of the whole change please[23:37:16] <@Dr_Evil> "seems to work" sometimes isn't good enough :([23:37:54] <@axeld> Dr_Evil: I'll have a look[23:41:04] <CIA-6> marcusoverhagen * r13466 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/media/TimeSource.cpp: tiny debug code cleanup[23:42:49] *** __nitro__ has joined #haiku[23:42:52] <__nitro__> hi[23:43:30] *** petterhj has quit IRC[23:45:37] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[23:48:00] <@axeld> Hi __nitro__[23:49:21] <__nitro__> ;)[23:51:48] <@Dr_Evil> axeld, geist, mmu_man I have another problem that I hope someone of you can help me debug[23:52:22] <@Dr_Evil> my DVB driver has a strange problem, during loading it sometimes the whole system freezes[23:52:50] <@Dr_Evil> the only way to continue is to enter KDL and then use continue command[23:52:55] <@Dr_Evil> driver will continue after that[23:53:23] <@Dr_Evil> the list of ready and running thread is strange in KDL: http://marcus.overhagen.de/temp/dvb_freeze_1.txt[23:53:26] <@Dr_Evil> please have a look[23:54:18] *** Mazon is now known as mazon[23:54:29] <@Dr_Evil> I'm still in kdl and hope to resolve this with your help[23:59:03] <@axeld> brb