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[01:09:04] <SiCuTDeUx> Hello!!!
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[04:19:02] <enoa> hii all
[04:19:15] <enoa> i wish u'r not sleeping ;]
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[06:43:41] <miqlas> RE!
[06:46:02] <CIA-6> jackburton * r13408 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ScrollBar.cpp: Improved the look. Note that we still don't differentiate between enabled and disabled scrollbars
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[07:11:45] <CIA-6> jackburton * r13409 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/abouthaiku/AboutHaiku.cpp: Temporarily disabled auto scrolling as SetEventMask() doesn't work in haiku
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[09:42:30] <CIA-6> jackburton * r13410 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): The bar and knob frame are now calculated. That way we god rid of some billions fPrivateData->fThumbFrame.OffsetBy() calls
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[16:14:09] <SiCuTDeUx> Good morning!
[16:14:16] <@mahlzeit> good afternoon!
[16:14:41] <Methe_> evening !
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[16:16:55] <@mahlzeit> it>	it isn't evening yet!
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[16:17:55] <Methe_> I have always been in advancde of the time
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[16:18:32] <SiCuTDeUx> 10:18 am here!
[16:18:44] <@mahlzeit> ahlzeit>	a whole day ahead of you!
[16:18:50] <@mahlzeit> what will you do with all that time?!
[16:18:58] <Methe> count it ? :D
[16:19:09] <@mahlzeit> that would be nice if you were a clock
[16:19:16] <Methe> na
[16:19:21] <Methe> that would be your job
[16:19:26] <Methe> so it wouldn't be nice
[16:19:36] <Methe> ir would be nice for my fridge to count time
[16:19:40] <Methe> though
[16:19:49] <@mahlzeit> so there was this huge car crash outside 20 minutes ago
[16:19:58] <@mahlzeit> but i can't see it from my window
[16:20:24] <Methe> oh yeah ? so cool ! take pictures and create a webpage + a blog !
[16:20:32] <@mahlzeit> but it has kept most of my neighbours entertained for the past 20 minutes
[16:20:42] <@mahlzeit> so i'm watching my neighbours instead
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[16:26:16] <miqlas> Re!
[16:26:47] <@mahlzeit> hi miqlas
[16:29:04] <miqlas> I have problem with my Zeta Neo. The Zeta recognized my IDE disks als SCSI.
[16:29:10] <miqlas> Why?
[16:29:43] <miqlas> KERN 'sysinit2'[3]: bfs @ 0x13c1088 (Zeta) on /dev/disk/scsi/0/0/0/0_0
[16:29:51] <miqlas> I dont have any SCSI disk!
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[16:31:27] <miqlas> Can anyone help me?
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[16:33:03] <@mahlzeit> maybe ask in #zeta ?
[16:33:08] <@mahlzeit> or some other zeta help channel
[16:33:57] <miqlas> Thanks .:(
[16:35:05] <Koki> miqlas, it is #zeta-talk
[16:49:00] <miqlas> y
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[17:16:01] <[Dr3w|Linux]> OoooOOooo....
[17:16:08] <[Dr3w|Linux]> double edged sword....
[17:17:01] <[Dr3w|Linux]> I cam back from holiday today to find that a credit card I settled about three years ago has been sat open.  I haven't used it so tis had zero balance for the last 4 years.  The card linked to the account has now expired and they have sent me a new card :)
[17:17:17] <[Dr3w|Linux]> with a 4320UKP credit limit! eeek!
[17:17:42] <[Dr3w|Linux]> I thought it was canceled.... but a new computer is calling me...
[17:19:05] <Fanskap> *yawns
[17:19:21] <@mahlzeit> don't you have to pay back this money at some point?
[17:19:42] <[Dr3w|Linux]> Yes, of course, thats why I don't like using them.
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[17:20:22] <@mahlzeit> so basically you'd be taking out a loan that you weren't considering before just because someone said: hey, here's a 4320ukp loan
[17:20:30] <[Dr3w|Linux]> Heh :)
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[17:26:19] <[Beta]> its a cheaper form of a loan, heh
[17:26:47] <[Dr3w|Linux]> Nah, I won't use the card.  I will keep it incase I buy a house and I need stuff for the house.
[17:30:11] <@Dr_Evil> whats the point in wasting money that you don't have? I also don't use the loan of 7500 EUR of my Visa Card, I only got it to buy DVDs by internet
[17:31:42] <[Beta]> there are ways of usefully using credit cards, they're only 90% evil.
[17:31:50] <@mahlzeit> you'd be surprised at how many people are unable to deal with money
[17:31:57] <[Beta]> but I guess I say that from having a student card, far `better` interest
[17:32:10] * [Dr3w|Linux] holds his hand up
[17:32:12] <[Dr3w|Linux]> I am one.
[17:32:14] <[Dr3w|Linux]> :(
[17:32:30] <@mahlzeit> compound interest is only great if you're on the receiving end ;-)
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[18:34:23] <@mahlzeit> let's submit haiku: http://www.startsomethingpc.com/
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[18:46:52] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13411 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ScrollBar.cpp: Fixed build with debugging enabled.
[18:47:33] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13412 /haiku/trunk/ (makehdimage src/tools/rc/Jamfile src/tools/rc/rc.cpp): rc is a build platform tool and should be built as such.
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[18:50:37] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13413 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[18:50:38] <CIA-6> New error codes:
[18:50:38] <CIA-6> -6>	- B_SHUTDOWN_CANCELLED: The shutdown process was cancelled (most likely by
[18:50:38] <CIA-6> the user).
[18:50:38] <CIA-6> -6>	- B_SHUTTING_DOWN: An operation cannot be performed, since the system is
[18:50:38] <CIA-6> shutting down (e.g. BApplication creation).
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[18:52:23] <[Beta]> lol mahlzeit, why not :)
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[18:54:06] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13414 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/app/Application.h src/kits/app/Application.cpp):
[18:54:06] <CIA-6> * Made BApplication::Private public. Should not have worked before (probably
[18:54:06] <CIA-6> a compiler bug).
[18:54:06] <CIA-6> * Don't try to cleanup the app server connection stuff, when compiled
[18:54:06] <CIA-6> with RUN_WITHOUT_APP_SERVER.
[18:54:33] <@mmu_man> they don't say it has to be running windoze, do they ?
[18:55:39] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13415 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/private/app/Server.h src/kits/app/Server.cpp): BServer now remembers whether the GUI context has already been initialized, so that InitGUIContext() can be invoked twice without harm.
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[19:04:56] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13416 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs):
[19:04:56] <CIA-6> * Added BRoster::ShutDown().
[19:04:56] <CIA-6> * Adjusted the shutdown command to use BRoster::ShutDown(). Removed
[19:04:56] <CIA-6> the alert.
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[19:05:42] <[Beta]> weird, I just tried a build I did two days ago, and it wont boot (sits at the bootup logo)
[19:05:48] * [Beta] does an update & recompile
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[19:17:48] <CIA-6> bonefish * r13417 /haiku/trunk/ (20 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[19:17:48] <CIA-6> * Moved TRoster out of the BPrivate namespace. It does no longer appear in
[19:17:48] <CIA-6> any public header.
[19:17:48] <CIA-6> * Replaced a good deal of the MessageDeliverer's DeliverMessage() versions
[19:17:48] <CIA-6> by more general ones using the new interface MessagingTargetSet to represent
[19:17:48] <CIA-6> a set of targets. This simplifies the usage in cases where the caller doesn't
[19:17:51] <CIA-6> already have the targets in a supported representation.
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[19:43:13] <scanty> mmu_man,  do you know if anyone has done any work on the parallel port driver for haiku?
[19:43:22] <scanty> I might be able to work on it provided I have time this summer.
[19:43:32] <@mmu_man> not that I kow
[19:43:46] <@mmu_man> some ppl were supposed to who I never heard from again
[19:44:01] <scanty> ah
[19:44:12] <scanty> may have been me.'
[19:44:19] <scanty> I had to defer development due to health reasons.
[19:44:40] <scanty> but I told mphipps this a while ago.
[19:47:29] <scanty> I have real nice book on parallel port coming in the mail in a few days ;)
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[20:14:54] <miqlas> re!
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[21:01:00] <[Dr3w|Linux]> parrallellalgramaport.
[21:02:13] <miqlas> lo.
[21:02:15] <miqlas> +l
[21:02:26] <scanty> hehe.
[21:03:43] <miqlas> Whats this MedaiKitbeta3 : ftp://ftp.beos.spb.ru/incoming/MediaKit(beta3)Fixed.pkg
[21:03:45] <miqlas> ??
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[21:47:51] <[Beta]> http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/xul.html seems quite interesting
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[22:44:51] <fyysik> http://www.bebits.com/app/4164 - hmm
[22:45:06] <fyysik> do we have some rpm packages for BeOS/Haiku already?:)
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[22:50:11] <scanty> bleh, I hate package managers...
[22:50:17] <scanty> I prefer to just uncompress something and run it where it is ;)
[22:50:38] * Procton agrees with scanty.
[22:50:46] <Procton> that is the beauty of beos.
[22:51:00] <scanty> DOS, too ^_^
[22:51:08] <Procton> hehe...
[22:51:14] <brennanOS> heh, DOS
[22:51:16] * DaaT uninstalls zeta and installs DOS
[22:51:18] <brennanOS> I use DOS all the time
[22:51:32] * Procton shrugs.
[22:51:34] <scanty> hehe
[22:51:46] <brennanOS> I have a DOS laptop and my BeOS desktop up as we speak
[22:52:24] <brennanOS> dbase III rules
[22:52:26] <brennanOS> ;(
[22:52:31] <brennanOS> I mean, ;)
[22:52:50] <scanty> only thing I use DOS for these days is programming microcontrollers
[22:52:59] <scanty> since I'm too lazy to port over the software to BeOS
[22:52:59] <brennanOS> yeah
[22:53:06] <brennanOS> yeah to that too
[22:53:13] <scanty> sometimes when stuff works, it's just not worth it to bother
[22:53:23] <brennanOS> yeah, again
[22:53:26] <brennanOS> agreed
[22:53:29] <Procton> that's ussually the case.
[22:53:42] <scanty> although, now that I know how to write directly to IO ports in BeOS without a driver, it's pretty easy :)
[22:53:58] <brennanOS> Ive thought about proting/writing a 6502 simulator (like 6502Sim on Windows) for BeOS, but hell, I just dont want to do the work
[22:54:32] <scanty> you could always pull the 6502 core out of my NES emulator.
[22:54:47] <scanty> runs on x86 and SPARC so far.
[22:54:50] <brennanOS> well, theres lots of 6502 simulation code out there
[22:54:53] <scanty> and probably PPC too with minimal effort.
[22:55:01] <brennanOS> I just dont want to build the GUI
[22:55:13] <scanty> well, GUI design is always painful in BeOS, IMO
[22:55:15] <brennanOS> 6502Sim on Windows is a nice piece of software
[22:55:40] <scanty> that's from dan boris IIRC
[22:55:56] <brennanOS> I also have a neat 8086 simulator too, where you can control simulated pieces of external hardware (traffice lights, stepper motor, LCD)
[22:56:16] <scanty> I have a halfway finished 6502 core in x86 ASM
[22:56:19] <scanty> but there are some bugs I can't find.
[22:56:26] <brennanOS> and it has a "plugin" system where you can create new external hardware devices in VB
[22:56:27] <scanty> so I've not touched it in quite a long time
[22:56:48] <brennanOS> heh
[22:57:00] <brennanOS> I had a 6800 simulator for DOS.. I think I got rid of it
[22:57:12] <brennanOS> I do have a nice 68hc11 sim on it though
[22:57:30] <scanty> I like AVR MCUs these days.
[22:57:44] <brennanOS> Im still learning/using the oldies
[22:58:01] <scanty> 68xx is pretty decent, though
[22:58:11] <brennanOS> I downloaded an IDE for PIC devices, that was kind of neat
[22:58:20] <brennanOS> Ive heard ARM is good to know as well
[22:58:21] <fyysik> brennanOS - http://bebits.com/app/3523 did you try that?
[22:58:24] <scanty> I don't like PICs too much.
[22:58:32] <scanty> yeah, ARM has really nice ASM
[22:58:40] <brennanOS> What I need to do is an actual hardware project
[22:58:44] <brennanOS> actual soldering
[22:58:54] <brennanOS> I have 5 6502s sitting here
[22:59:08] <scanty> I built a clock around an AVR MCU
[22:59:09] <scanty> using nixie tubes
[22:59:25] <brennanOS> fyysik: yeah, I have that
[22:59:31] <scanty> also modified the crap out of my NES so I can do dev with it
[22:59:33] <scanty> and dump carts
[22:59:35] <brennanOS> fyysik: also VICE
[22:59:38] <scanty> (which is a 6502 based machine, BTW)
[22:59:42] <brennanOS> yeah
[22:59:45] <brennanOS> it sure it
[22:59:46] <brennanOS> is
[23:00:32] <scanty> I used to have pictures of the clock up on my website
[23:00:39] <scanty> but it's been down for a while.
[23:00:44] <scanty> and they lost all my files
[23:00:47] <scanty> oh well ^_^
[23:01:35] <scanty> was completely point to point soldering
[23:01:55] <scanty> (lots of wire!)
[23:02:34] <brennanOS> heh
[23:02:52] <brennanOS> I have had it in my head to design and build a sort of Altair-ish system
[23:03:04] <brennanOS> just toggle switches and blinky lights
[23:03:09] <scanty> I use 30 awg for most wiring.
[23:03:13] <brennanOS> and a serial port
[23:03:15] <scanty> except higher current lines
[23:03:21] <brennanOS> so it could at least *do* something
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[23:03:54] <scanty> my latest project is a PS2 interface for Sun keyboards.
[23:04:03] <scanty> have the design all in my head, haven't proto'd it yet though
[23:04:07] <brennanOS> heh
[23:04:13] <scanty> I wish we had some electrical CAD tools in BeOS
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[23:04:52] <brennanOS> hey, I have two CAD programs for DOS
[23:04:55] <brennanOS> heh
[23:05:05] <brennanOS> DOS rules! ;)
[23:05:08] <scanty> I quite like gEDA on UNIX
[23:05:12] <scanty> but can't build it on solaris here yet.
[23:05:19] <brennanOS> hm
[23:05:25] <scanty> so I cheat and use something on windows
[23:05:29] <scanty> which I can't recall the name of right now
[23:05:55] <brennanOS> hey, whatever works
[23:06:09] <brennanOS> theres lots and lots of good Windows software
[23:06:14] <scanty> yeah
[23:06:15] <scanty> damn, I can't remember the name of it.
[23:06:17] <scanty> but it's really nice.
[23:06:37] <scanty> grrr mental block
[23:06:51] <brennanOS> hell, theres lots of nice software for damn near any platform out there
[23:07:02] <scanty> also designed a pulsebox for BeOS around some neon bargraph tubes
[23:07:08] <scanty> but I haven't proto'd that yet either.
[23:07:09] <brennanOS> I have a nice asm environment on my Commodore 64 for petes sake
[23:07:19] <scanty> C64... awesome ;)
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[23:07:21] <brennanOS> cool
[23:07:28] <brennanOS> my C64 is awesome
[23:07:32] <brennanOS> its like new
[23:07:36] <brennanOS> even have the box
[23:07:39] <scanty> I have to build a PSU for my C64
[23:07:42] <scanty> but I don't know the specs.
[23:07:44] <scanty> :T
[23:07:53] <scanty> do you know them offhand?
[23:08:04] <brennanOS> what specs?
[23:08:11] <scanty> for the C64 powersupply
[23:08:16] <brennanOS> oh
[23:08:19] <brennanOS> no
[23:08:20] <scanty> I need to know the voltage and current outputs.
[23:08:27] <brennanOS> I know its huge
[23:08:33] <scanty> probably going to build a neat little switching PSU
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[23:09:48] <brennanOS> 5V DC and 9V AC to a 7pin femail DIN
[23:10:04] <scanty> what about current?
[23:10:08] <scanty> (Amps)
[23:10:16] <scanty> probably several amps for the 5V
[23:10:21] <brennanOS> let me look at my power supply
[23:10:25] <scanty> cool :) thanks
[23:11:50] <tic> It's so hoooot
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[23:12:18] <brennanOS> OUTPUT: 5VDC 8.5W 9VAC 2.1VA
[23:12:21] <brennanOS> thats right from the brick
[23:13:28] <@Dr_Evil> that would be 1.7 and 0.24 amps
[23:13:40] <scanty> hehe I'm working it out on paper now
[23:13:56] <scanty> anty>	a SMPSU is definitely feasible then
[23:15:00] <@Dr_Evil> are you sure that the C64 needs DC?
[23:15:08] <scanty> absoultely needs DC
[23:15:09] <brennanOS> I definitely think hardware hacks are the coolest projects I see online
[23:15:22] * scanty doesn't know of any ICs running on AC
[23:15:23] <scanty> ^_^
[23:15:29] <Fanskapet> ahh C64.. those were the days
[23:15:39] <brennanOS> heh... these *ARE* the days
[23:15:42] <Fanskapet> i grew up with MSX/C64/C128
[23:15:43] <@geist> I was always an apple fan myself
[23:16:00] <brennanOS> also have a //c and //gs
[23:16:07] <scanty> IIgs is nice
[23:16:23] <brennanOS> I like apples built in monitor
[23:16:27] <brennanOS> call -151
[23:16:34] <@geist> one of the guys I inteviewed with at apple the other day wrote the initial HFS and worked on GSOS
[23:16:48] <tic> geist, so are you starting to work there?
[23:16:52] <tic> or rather, when
[23:17:01] <@geist> probably, got the offer in the mail yesterday. looks good
[23:17:18] <brennanOS> cool
[23:17:26] <@geist> yep, working with dbg again
[23:17:30] <@geist> he's a good guy
[23:17:43] <@geist> this will stretch my abilities, which is very good
[23:17:45] <brennanOS> im now holding my two day old daughter
[23:17:50] <Fanskapet> hehe :D
[23:18:01] <@geist> I'm feeling pretty stagnant right now
[23:18:07] <scanty> babies scare me
[23:18:12] <brennanOS> heh
[23:18:28] <Fanskapet> well i don't have a C64 anymore.. I used to borrow my brothers rebuilt Tac2 for PC and play on vice :P
[23:18:41] <brennanOS> www.geocities.com/cluvius2000
[23:18:53] <scanty> that was 240 mA for 9VDC, you said, Dr_Evil
[23:18:54] <scanty> ?
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[23:22:38] <scanty> I guess I can build a buck converter...
[23:22:45] <scanty> if I can find a decent FET, and big enough inductor.
[23:23:41] <@Dr_Evil> I suggest using LM2576 for 5 Volt and LM2575 9 Volt
[23:24:03] <scanty> passive regulators are no fun ^_^
[23:24:29] <@Dr_Evil> scanty, these are no passive regulators
[23:24:32] <scanty> 9V doesn't need to be regulated.
[23:24:35] <scanty> since it's AC
[23:24:42] <scanty> it can be pulled right from the transformer.
[23:25:05] <scanty> Dr_Evil, oh?
[23:25:09] <@geist> you probably want a switcher anyway
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[23:25:35] <@Dr_Evil> I have successfully used LM2576 them for a 5 Volt 2.5 Amp power supply
[23:25:48] <@Dr_Evil> http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM2576.html
[23:25:50] <scanty> I'll probably go with a MC34063A or similar.
[23:25:56] <scanty> if I do a switcher.
[23:26:26] <scanty> ah, it's a switcher, Dr_Evil
[23:26:27] <scanty> cool
[23:26:31] <scanty> and national give free samples ;)
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[23:26:39] <@geist> cheap bastard
[23:26:54] <scanty> hey, I'm on a student budget, here ^_^
[23:27:27] <@geist> 2.5A might not do it though
[23:27:46] <@geist> ist>	is this to drive an entire C64?
[23:27:50] <scanty> we calculated 1.7A
[23:27:54] <scanty> for the 5V line
[23:27:55] <konrad77> Does that mean that 50% of your income, is reserved for beer? scanty
[23:27:56] <scanty> so it' splenty
[23:28:03] <@Dr_Evil> using MC34063A is overley complex for that purpose
[23:28:21] <scanty> konrad77, lol.. I can't have alcohol actually
[23:28:34] <@geist> where did you get 1.7A?
[23:28:40] <scanty> I'm pretty familar with the '34063, though.
[23:28:44] <scanty> which is why it came to mind.
[23:28:50] <scanty> geist, 5V at 8.5W
[23:28:52] <scanty> is 1.7A
[23:29:02] <@geist> ah, I was going off the 240mA thing before
[23:29:11] <scanty> 240mA is for the 9VAc
[23:29:14] <@geist> if it was 240mA in the *input* of a 220V transformer
[23:29:14] <scanty> 9VAC*
[23:29:21] <@geist> then that would be something like 5.8A
[23:29:23] <@geist> gotcha
[23:29:41] <@geist> I'm also assuming you're in europe
[23:29:52] <scanty> nope US
[23:29:54] <scanty> ^_^
[23:29:56] <@Dr_Evil> Standard power supply for the Commodore
[23:29:57] <@Dr_Evil> 64 home computer. 240v input, 5v 1.7A DC, 9v 1A AC output.
[23:30:03] <@Dr_Evil> from a webshop
[23:30:11] <@geist> Dr_Evil: well, that pretty much settles it
[23:30:26] <scanty> we're sissies with our 110V mains ^_^
[23:30:40] <@geist> and terribly designed plugs to shock us
[23:30:46] <scanty> indeed
[23:30:51] <scanty> at least it's split phase
[23:30:55] <scanty> otherwise it would *really* hurt
[23:31:01] <@Dr_Evil> well, the 9 volt current is higher in this source
[23:31:03] <@geist> yeah
[23:31:35] <@geist> you could geta switcher to drop it down to 9v and then a simple linear to get to 5V
[23:31:47] <@geist> dependeing on the loss, it'd probably be acceptable
[23:31:58] <@Dr_Evil> http://www.ntrautanen.fi/computers/hardware/hwb/co_C64Power.html
[23:32:06] <@Dr_Evil> another source
[23:32:11] <scanty> well, at that rate, I could just get a beefy trafo with dual outputs.
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[23:32:18] <scanty> but I want something small
[23:32:18] <@geist> that too
[23:32:25] <scanty> that I could possibly fit inside of the the C64
[23:32:55] <@geist> yeah, cut out the din plug and put in a standard power cable receptacle
[23:33:23] <scanty> the din plug is the same as a keyboard.
[23:33:25] <scanty> AT
[23:33:30] <scanty> and I have several of those here
[23:33:33] <scanty> :)
[23:33:41] <@geist> or rig up a power plug to din cable
[23:33:51] <scanty> yeah..
[23:33:51] <@geist> just make sure you never plug it into a keyboard :)
[23:33:54] <@Dr_Evil> I would use a 3 amp 9 Volt AC supply, add a LM2576-5 to generate the 5 Volt
[23:34:14] <scanty> that seems reasonable.
[23:34:32] <@Dr_Evil> or do you intend to do the whole 230V => 5Volt as SMPS?
[23:34:55] <scanty> nah
[23:35:01] <scanty> I'll use a stepdown transformer.
[23:35:28] <scanty> 9V secondary should be fine.
[23:35:42] <scanty> but that would be a pretty big transformer.
[23:35:53] <scanty> at 3A
[23:36:14] <@geist> sounds like you just need to hook it all up to a car battery
[23:36:21] <@geist> and haul that around
[23:36:31] <@geist> no heavy transformer!
[23:37:00] <scanty> hehe
[23:38:08] <scanty> no AC from the car battery though.
[23:38:15] <scanty> though I suppose one could use an inverter.
[23:38:17] <scanty> :^)
[23:38:20] <@geist> sure but stepping down from 12v to 9 would be much easier
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[23:39:02] <scanty> still need to stepdown from mains though.
[23:39:12] <scanty> so that would either need a transformer, or yet another switcher.
[23:40:21] <@geist> oh shit I just now noticed that it needs 9v AC
[23:40:29] <scanty> hehe
[23:40:38] <@geist> what needs AC?
[23:40:42] <scanty> nice...we can fucking swear here :)
[23:41:00] <scanty> good question.
[23:41:04] <@geist> can you rip out the AC parts of the C64, or does it derive something important off it, like a clock
[23:41:15] <@Dr_Evil> http://www.softwolves.pp.se/misc/arkiv/cbm-hackers/0/0667.html
[23:41:29] <scanty> maybe it needs AC to generate some RS-232 type signals or something
[23:41:42] <@Dr_Evil> hack alert: http://www.softwolves.pp.se/misc/arkiv/cbm-hackers/0/0668.html
[23:41:46] <scanty> not sure though... I don't know *that* much about C64 internals, other than it's using a 6502 :)
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[23:42:13] <@mmu_man> I think the SNES psu also generates 9v ac (or 12 ?)
[23:42:26] <@geist> yeah I think so too. lemme verify
[23:42:26] <@mmu_man> used that once on something that didn't like it :)
[23:42:28] <scanty> both the NES and SNES do 9VAC
[23:42:39] <scanty> but they use that  with a 7805
[23:42:46] <scanty> since the whole thing runs of +5DC anway
[23:42:50] <scanty> anyway*
[23:42:51] <@geist> AC9V 1.3A
[23:43:22] <scanty> NES is more of my area of expertise.
[23:43:55] <scanty> I wrote a little demo for the NES that shows the Be logo.
[23:43:57] <scanty> some years ago.
[23:44:21] <@geist> yeah I hacked a bit on it
[23:44:21] <scanty> don't have it on this machine, though
[23:44:35] <@geist> a buddy of mine and I hacked a little platformer over a weekend
[23:44:50] <@geist> and another buddy rigged up a NES cartridge with a PROM on it
[23:44:50] <scanty> my NES devkit is totally BeOS driven :)
[23:45:01] <@geist> though we mostly tested via emulators
[23:45:06] <scanty> geist, cool... I use a RAMcart with my devkit.
[23:45:24] <@geist> maybe thats it. either way we were using the cartridge that takes two carts
[23:45:38] <@geist> the second cart providing the security chip
[23:45:54] <scanty> I disabled the lockout chip on my NES.
[23:46:00] <@mmu_man> tried contiki ?
[23:46:01] <@geist> yeah, and you can do that
[23:46:07] <scanty> just leave pin4 floating.
[23:46:08] <scanty> IIRC
[23:46:16] <@mmu_man> I think there is a nes port of that even
[23:46:16] <@geist> ist>	i hacked a bit on SNES, which I liked a bit more
[23:46:37] <scanty> mmu_man, there is, but we don't have any hardware for getting on the net for the NES
[23:46:38] <@geist> apparently the GBAs hardware is nearly the same as SNES
[23:46:53] <scanty> geist, not really.... the SNES is 65816, GBA is ARM7
[23:46:58] <scanty> they have similar capabilities, though.
[23:47:03] <@geist> sure, but the graphics hardware is similar
[23:47:06] <scanty> right
[23:47:13] <@geist> supposedly more or less the same tiling engine, etc
[23:48:07] <scanty> I have to put my SNES in the freezer for some hours before using it.
[23:48:11] <scanty> otherwise I don't get colour.
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[23:49:22] <@mmu_man> I still have to port contiki to my ORIC Atmos
[23:49:47] <@mmu_man> Unable to play: This is not a file
[23:49:59] <@mmu_man> doh, I very much like that MediaPlayer error =)
[23:50:08] <scanty> lol
[23:50:24] * scanty wonders what it could be if it's not a file ^_^
[23:50:26] <@mmu_man> guess ffplay will eat it
[23:50:58] <@mmu_man> an>	a file wgetted from http://www.amigaremix.com/files/1C/PRESS%20PLAY%20ON%20TAPE%20-%20Monkey%20Island%20(Live at TG2003) dot mp3
[23:51:12] <@mmu_man> works fine with ffplay
[23:51:25] <scanty> monkey island... that sounds vaguely familar
[23:52:01] <@Dr_Evil> scanty try resoldering instead of freezer
[23:52:24] <@geist> oh man poor Be people at palmsource
[23:52:35] <@mmu_man> Dr_Evil well the freezer might work...
[23:52:47] <@geist> my guess is I'll see more of them in the workforce here soon
[23:52:52] <@mmu_man> http://totl.net/Eunuch/index.html
[23:53:11] <scanty> Dr_Evil, AFAICT it's due to a defect in one of the crystals onboard.
[23:53:19] <@mmu_man> geist all that to end up throwing everything away to use linux
[23:53:20] <scanty> it expands, physically, so it's frequency changes
[23:53:28] <scanty> and then it can't sync up with the NTSC colour subcarrier
[23:53:39] <scanty> I suppose I could replace the crystal.
[23:53:46] <scanty> but I don't have the right security bit to open the SNES
[23:54:01] <@mmu_man> hmm usually there is a variable cap around in the osc
[23:54:11] <@mmu_man> to adjust the freq
[23:54:18] <@geist> mmu_man: well, to be fair not everyone. but the low level folks now have a new job
[23:54:31] <@geist> presumably the higher level binder-derived stuff will just get ported to linux
[23:55:08] <@geist> and I dont think there's a tremendous amount of low level Be people left there
[23:55:17] <@mmu_man> one OS to bind them all... :)
[23:55:19] <@geist> most of them bailed a long time ago
[23:55:28] <@geist> only one I can remember is Arve. I think he's still there
[23:55:39] <@geist> and cyril is a manager
[23:57:50] <@mmu_man> they are welcome to get back to writing drivers :D
[23:58:23] <@geist> uh huh
[23:58:27] <@mmu_man> oh well, having seen some stuff in the kernel I sometimes wonder how it works at all...
[23:58:55] <@geist> which kernel?
[23:59:00] <tic> haha
[23:59:00] <@mmu_man> like that thread_rec struct which is not always allocated entirely...
[23:59:05] <@mmu_man> be's
[23:59:11] <@geist> ah that's right, you work at zeta
[23:59:26] <tic> mmu_man, that sounds kinda broken. :)
[23:59:45] <@mmu_man> well, the last part is only used for user threads... so only allocated for them
[23:59:56] <@geist> oh well that makes sense
[23:59:57] <@mmu_man> but at some point it was forgotten in a copy...

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