[00:04:50] <@Dr_Evil> night
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[00:11:32] <pres589> hi slaad
[00:11:57] <slaad> presster
[00:12:02] <@AndrewBachmann> hello pres589
[00:12:13] <pres589> hiya
[00:14:07] <pres589> What's up Bachmann?
[00:14:54] <@bonefish> AndrewBachmann: Hi Andrew!
[00:15:21] <@AndrewBachmann> just folding laundry
[00:17:34] <DaaT> salad!
[00:17:46] <slaad> DaaT!
[00:18:03] * DaaT sprinkles some salt over slaad
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[00:18:37] <slaad> O-o
[00:19:42] * DaaT brags a fork...
[00:19:51] <DaaT> brags... LOL!!! grabs of course
[00:19:57] <slaad> So, your article isn't helping, DaaT. Useless sod you are!
[00:20:03] <DaaT> "oohhh.. this fork is sooo good, the best ever!"
[00:20:35] <DaaT> maybe they don't contact because they think that, a project that has you in it, is doomed?
[00:21:05] <pres589> I'm not sure what DaaT just said but I think he made fun of you there, slaad
[00:21:36] * DaaT whistles
[00:24:51] <DaaT> damn that "home icon" survey is the closest ever
[00:25:09] <pres589> I said it should look like a house
[00:25:18] <pres589> ergo, I have spoken
[00:25:28] <DaaT> ah well, then there's no need for such a survey!
[00:25:33] * DaaT takes it down from the site
[00:25:39] <pres589> heh
[00:25:52] * DaaT then hits pres589 over the head with it
[00:25:53] <DaaT> :P
[00:26:23] <pres589> seriously, don't listen to me
[00:26:33] <DaaT> like you needed to tell me that
[00:26:34] <DaaT> :)
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[00:27:47] <pres589> nice work, your violence against me scared away AndrewB
[00:28:04] <DaaT> nah, he just went to get reinforcements
[00:28:16] <pres589> your fate is sealed then
[00:28:23] <DaaT> against you I meant
[00:28:29] <DaaT> :P
[00:31:08] <DaaT> btw, what does your nick mean?
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[00:34:05] <pres589> who, mine?
[00:34:26] <pres589> it's a really esoteric car thing, so it probably wouldn't matter
[00:34:36] <DaaT> ok :)
[00:34:46] <pres589> and I've been using it for like 8, 8.5 years now
[00:35:05] <DaaT> cool
[00:35:06] <Begasus> nice ;)
[00:35:13] <pres589> yeah, "yay"
[00:35:25] <DaaT> i have another one that i've been using since 96, on another network
[00:35:40] <Begasus> using mine for 4 yrs I think about now ..
[00:37:05] <pres589> yeah, this is my nick about everywhere
[00:39:19] <DaaT> bbiab
[00:40:14] <slaad> Anyone know where I can get "teTex" from?
[00:47:03] <Begasus> later peeps
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[00:52:09] <DaaT> back
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[01:30:34] <@axeld> bonefish?
[01:30:39] <@axeld> Hi there btw :)
[01:32:30] <@geist> it's axeld!
[01:32:39] <@axeld> Hi geist!
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[01:50:42] <stippi> axeld!
[01:51:16] <@axeld> Hey stippi!
[01:51:30] <@axeld> stippi: I'm about to go to bed, though :)
[01:51:37] <stippi> np
[01:51:52] <stippi> Mit mir ist auch nich mehr viel los...
[01:52:09] <stippi> haste mit ingo gequatscht?
[01:53:24] <@axeld> stippi: gerade dabei
[01:53:30] <stippi> hehe
[01:53:40] <@axeld> Aber wir sehen uns ja Freitag auch mal wieder :-)
[01:53:56] <stippi> darauf freue ich mich schon!
[01:54:04] <@axeld> Ich mich auch
[01:54:07] 
[01:54:45] <@axeld> Sieht ja so aus, nachdem was mmlr so alles gemacht hat :)
[01:54:58] 
[01:55:08] <stippi> Da hatte ich vom app_server noch keine Ahnung.
[01:55:18] <@axeld> hehe :)
[01:55:21] <@axeld> Dann halte Dich mal ran
[01:55:35] 
[01:55:41] <stippi> Kommt der auch?
[01:55:42] <stippi> Ok
[01:55:47] <stippi> Mach's gut.
[01:56:01] <stippi> Machen == Schlafen...
[01:56:03] <@axeld> Kommen tut er nicht
[01:56:03] <stippi> also
[01:56:07] <stippi> Schlaf gut!
[01:56:10] <@axeld> Du auch!
[01:56:13] <stippi> schade
[01:56:17] <@axeld> jupp
[01:56:29] <@axeld> und vielleicht bis morgen (da werde ich jedenfalls wieder hier sein)
[01:56:29] <stippi> der scheint ja ganz fit zu sein.
[01:56:40] <@axeld> sieht so aus :)
[01:56:41] <stippi> cool
[01:56:49] <@axeld> Okay, gute Nacht!
[01:56:54] <stippi> Tschau!
[01:56:54] <@axeld> bye!
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[01:57:13] <@bonefish> Ich werde auch Schluss machen, glaube ich.
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[01:58:24] <@bonefish> stippi: Nacht!
[01:58:34] <stippi> Ok
[01:58:36] <stippi> Kein Problem
[01:58:42] <stippi> sollte ich auch tun.
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[03:26:13] <eazel7> hi ppl
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[03:46:07] <mopso> hey. . .
[03:47:34] <mopso> anybody awake?
[03:49:53] <@geist> guess not
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[03:55:21] <mopso> geist: how is newos?
[03:56:43] <mopso> geist: are'nt you the author?
[03:57:00] <@geist> yup
[03:58:37] <mopso> i'm not up to date with haiku and newos.  is newos used for haiku?
[03:58:54] <@geist> ar 28 02:58:54 <@geist>	a fork of the source, yes
[03:59:05] <@geist> was made a few years ago and kept reasonably in sync
[04:00:20] <mopso> is newos your first self written os?
[04:00:45] <@geist> yes
[04:01:00] <@geist> well I guess. most folks dont write multiple ones
[04:01:13] <@geist> ist>	i started the project many times, but only once got that far
[04:02:00] <mopso> but i guess you have experience with operating systems?
[04:02:23] <@geist> yes
[04:02:43] <@geist> ist>	i worked at be, and have since worked at a company that makes an operating system
[04:02:50] <@geist> and have implemented quite a bit of that
[04:03:40] <mopso> what where you doing at be?  where you there from the beginning?
[04:03:59] <@geist> no, I started in 99 or so through 2001
[04:05:30] <mopso> is newos a microkernel?
[04:05:36] <@geist> no
[04:05:52] <mopso> monotholic?
[04:06:01] <@geist> closer to that, yes
[04:06:20] <@geist> the distinctions are mostly meaningless, but it's farther to that side of the continuum
[04:11:27] <mopso> well i think you are more experienced with that but for me there is a (big) difference between them.  wasnt bes design to seperate parts with kits and servers? isnt that a  microkernel concept?
[04:11:49] <@geist> it's a design philosophy
[04:11:56] <@geist> depending on the area, you can take more or less of it
[04:12:10] <@geist> newos is virtually identical to beos as far as that's concenred, if that's what you're worried about
[04:12:25] <@geist> beos however is *not* a pure microkernel, contrary to popular belief
[04:12:36] <@geist> the kernel was a modular monolith, pretty much like all other systems
[04:15:42] <mopso> i'm really not worried about the haiku/beos kernel.  i think its in good hands.  when seperating parts,  communication has to be done via ipc.  would you agred that this means performance loss?  (in general,  not talking about beos)
[04:16:43] <mopso> (sorry for typos,  im writing this on my mobile)
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[04:18:24] <@geist> generally yes, unless you can use the design to your advantage in some other ways
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[04:21:16] <mopso> geist: is newos driver comparible with the beos?
[04:21:20] <mopso> compstible
[04:21:31] <mopso> compatible
[04:21:38] <@geist> not compatible no
[04:22:18] <mopso> isnt that a big disadvantage?
[04:22:56] <@geist> I'm didn't design newos to replace beos
[04:22:58] <@geist> haiku did
[04:23:04] <mopso> (i guess if i was possibke it would be done? ! )
[04:23:28] <mopso> i see
[04:24:35] <mopso> if you would write a new os would you stay with the design of newos?
[04:25:48] <@geist> depends on the purpose
[04:29:29] <mopso> well i think seperating os parts brings alot of interesring opportunities. like fast replacing/restarting and even seperating them on different machines.  a fs server could be seen as a p2p server...
[04:29:59] <@geist> that would be something I consider, yes
[04:36:19] <mopso> i think with a good ipc protocol and a good os design it would be possible to write a system in which you could reuse existing parts,  without knowing how to programm, to form new apps.
[04:36:54] <mopso> just by putting together communicating apps.
[04:37:02] <@geist> probably so
[04:37:55] <mopso> ok i'm just bored =)
[04:38:21] <@geist> yeah, i'm kind of busy too
[04:39:39] <mopso> didnt mean to bother you
[04:41:10] <@geist> no that's fine
[04:41:20] <@geist> I would have just gone quiet if i was really that busy
[04:41:25] <@geist> I just can't really chat much right now
[04:42:57] <mopso> no problem.
[04:48:01] <mopso> the army got me and i'm sitting as a guard on the entrance.  its 5. 45 am and *nobody* is here :) so i'm judt killing time with os concepts. . .
[04:48:39] <mopso> maybe anybody in here who wants to discuss designmconcepts?  :)
[04:49:09] <@geist> I'd go to #osdev for that
[04:49:36] <mopso> hmm i guess i'll do that
[04:50:29] <mopso> bye.
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[06:58:13] <fyy_NYC> anybody alive and with Zeta here?
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[07:24:41] <bryan_W> no
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[11:20:30] <@bonefish> Howdy!
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[12:08:09] <Methe> hello bonefish
[12:08:58] <CIA-1> stippi * r12087 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/drawing/Painter/Painter.cpp: ignore the pattern passed to the drawing functions, keep using the one from SetDrawData
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[12:13:54] <CIA-1> stippi * r12089 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/RootLayer.cpp: RootLayer thread can busy loop, and with this change, its easier to shoot app_server whereever it hurts most
[12:14:18] <CIA-1> stippi * r12088 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/drawing/UpdateQueue.cpp: more correct implementation, but still exhibits problems, usage turned off in ViewHWInterface::Invalidate
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[12:56:33] <Dr_Evil> hallo bonefish! bei meinem BeOS hat sich gestern durch hartes Ausschalten wohl die Vision Kopnfiguration verabschiedet :(
[12:58:02] <Monni> Kopf-nfiguration ;)
[12:58:09] <@bonefish> Dr_Evil: Oh, klingt nicht gut.
[12:58:37] <Dr_Evil> nee, muss ich nachher mal neu anlegen
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[13:23:34] <@Dr_Evil> so, fixed it now :)
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[14:36:53] <CIA-4> stippi * r12090 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/drawing/Painter/Painter.cpp: avoid a crash if used without attached buffer
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[14:44:30] <CIA-4> stippi * r12092 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/drawing/DisplayDriverPainter.cpp: implemented the rest of the drawing calls save for Stroke/FillShape, since I would have to ask what kind of data this function is being passed
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[15:53:22] <Hummin> greeetings
[15:53:25] <Hummin> or oops
[15:53:28] <Hummin> you should say that
[15:53:28] <Hummin> hi
[15:53:48] <Hummin> I wanna make a window decorator.. or just a window theme / icon theme or like.. os theme
[15:53:56] <Hummin> sorta like zeta.. but more consistant
[15:54:08] <Hummin> is that made programmatically
[15:54:10] <Hummin> ?
[15:54:17] <Hummin> or can I just go crazy in photoshop
[15:54:19] <Hummin> ?
[15:54:37] <Hummin> I made design mockups for sky os.. way back
[15:54:42] <@bonefish> Hummin: For Haiku?
[15:54:46] <Hummin> but sadly.. they never managed to implement them
[15:54:47] <Hummin> yeah
[15:54:54] <@bonefish> It's programatically.
[15:55:03] <Hummin> I realised that most os:es or linux packages fall short in graphical consistency
[15:55:07] <sys2> if you **** up the look i will hunt you down and kill you :>
[15:55:14] <sys2> :P
[15:55:20] <Hummin> I'm pretty sure I won't
[15:55:39] <Hummin> pixel art is my cup of tea
[15:55:41] <Hummin> =)
[15:55:53] <Methe> ^^
[15:55:59] <sys2> "i will put an icon to the left and 3 buttons to thr gith, one for minimize, one for maximize and one for closing, then paint the caption blue with white text" :P
[15:56:02] <Hummin> I tend to fiddle with fonts and icons and backgrounds in beos alot
[15:56:08] <Hummin> just to make a nice place to work in
[15:56:33] <Methe> Hummin that would be nice and btw: Im Kit team is alswo looking for a grapher to make icons and stuffs
[15:56:38] <Hummin> gith ?
[15:56:42] <sys2> the right :P
[15:56:49] <Hummin> thought so
[15:56:58] <sys2> dunno how i managed to do that much typo in so few words :P
[15:57:01] <Hummin> methe: oh ?
[15:57:12] <Hummin> then I might make a window decorator mockup ..
[15:57:17] <Hummin> just prove that I'm worthy
[15:57:18] <Hummin> =)
[15:57:22] <Methe> =)
[15:57:25] <Hummin> time is of the essence.. as always
[15:57:39] <Methe> Bu I guess it will be for PostR1
[15:57:47] <Methe> as R1 will be BeOS like I guess
[15:57:51] <Methe> (not sure though)
[15:57:51] <Hummin> btw.. do we want clear, crisp colour layouts.. or fancy.. 3d like.. aqua:ish modern layouts ?
[15:58:08] <Methe> Do It the BeOS way
[15:58:15] <sys2> and no news from rudolfc :(
[15:58:16] <Methe> clear simple and elegant
[15:58:26] <Hummin> beos is very pixel/amiga:ish/simple
[15:58:38] <Hummin> you can do it the beos way, and still be a little bit more daring
[15:58:47] <Methe> yup
[15:58:52] <Hummin> kinda like zeta is trying to
[15:58:58] <Hummin> I have only seen screenshots though
[15:59:07] <sys2> imo zeta looks stupid .. i like the way beos looks :>
[15:59:08] <Methe> anyway I'm not responsible for all this so I'm not the one to give advices or anything
[15:59:19] * Methe also preferes BeOS look
[15:59:21] <Hummin> yeah.. beos uses the pixel space optimally
[15:59:33] <Hummin> well.. oppinions will do
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[16:00:05] <Methe> so here is mine: do it simple and elegant
[16:00:17] <sys2> and NO windows lookalike
[16:00:18] <Methe> do it so we feel like in BeOS and not in windows, SkyOS or Linux or whatever
[16:01:03] <Mike2K> Hmm?
[16:01:04] <Hummin> yepp
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[16:01:14] <Hummin> the tabs stays
[16:01:53] <Procton> but... make the tabs usefl.
[16:01:57] <Procton> useful even.
[16:02:13] <Hummin> hehe.. yeah.. it would be cool if maximized windows actually reordered the tabs
[16:02:17] <Hummin> so that they worked like tabs
[16:02:23] <Hummin> but I guess it's mac inspired
[16:02:35] <Hummin> so maximizing is more like zooming to prefered size
[16:02:36] <Methe> and it's another topic :)
[16:02:38] <Procton> exactly.
[16:02:49] <Hummin> but I'll put that in my mockup as well
[16:02:50] <Hummin> =)
[16:02:51] <Procton> or... glueing windows together.
[16:03:13] <Hummin> I'm sure you all have seen this one..
[16:03:14] <Hummin> http://www.hummin.nu/concept.png
[16:03:18] <Hummin> but that's the original mockup I made
[16:03:27] <Hummin> kinda sucky
[16:03:41] <sys2> wrong url
[16:03:53] <Hummin> skyos still has alot of alignment / graphical glitches
[16:03:53] <Procton> not found.
[16:04:03] <Hummin> aah.. the DNS hasn't been updated yet
[16:04:08] <sys2> skyos is a cheap windows rip-off in the GUI
[16:04:09] <Hummin> darn
[16:04:14] <Hummin> I'll have to send it to the old webspace
[16:04:20] <sys2> looked at the search things? ... or the "explorer" ?
[16:04:25] <Hummin> it's hard not to imitate something
[16:04:27] <sys2> everything is even arranged like in windows
[16:04:45] <Methe> well Hummin u have time to make something new anyway
[16:04:57] <Procton> Hummin: what is the IP then?
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[16:05:42] <Procton> Hummin: ah.. didn't read the comment about webspace, sorry.
[16:06:38] <Hummin> the ip prolly won't work.. hold up
[16:06:45] <Hummin> I'll upload to both sites
[16:08:33] <Hummin> try the link again
[16:08:38] <Hummin> http://www.hummin.nu/concept.png
[16:08:39] <Begasus> howdy all
[16:09:08] <sys2> if haiku is gonna look like that il leave right now :(
[16:09:17] <Methe> ahah
[16:09:22] <Methe> =)
[16:09:33] <tic> the goal of haiku is to look like R5...
[16:09:42] <Hummin> yeah
[16:09:43] <Methe> yup
[16:09:54] <Hummin> the goal of hummin is to make a more modern theme
[16:10:20] <Hummin> =)
[16:10:21] <sys2> and the so called modern theme is set by the look of MS :P
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[16:10:27] <sys2> and i dont like Ms
[16:10:31] <Hummin> hehe
[16:10:31] <Hummin> nah
[16:10:36] <Hummin> more like beos:ish
[16:10:38] <sys2> i would dance on billys grave if he were dead
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[16:10:56] <tic> hummin, beos decorators are images and a script (lua)
[16:11:08] <Hummin> oh?
[16:11:43] <Konrad> tic really, I thought they were hardcoded in R5
[16:11:57] <Hummin> dano themes?
[16:12:37] <Hummin> I like visual effects
[16:12:46] <Hummin> though I usually turn them off after a day or two
[16:12:49] <Hummin> to gain some speed
[16:12:51] <Konrad> Hummin who doesnt =)
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[16:12:59] <Hummin> the wobbly windows thingie was nice to look at
[16:13:01] <Hummin> and show off..
[16:13:11] <Procton> horrible to use, I assume though.
[16:13:13] <Hummin> but after a while, it will prolly just anoy you
[16:13:24] <Hummin> if you're supposed to have visual effects.. they need to be reeaaally fast
[16:13:43] <Hummin> so that it doesn't get in the way of your workflow
[16:14:33] <Hummin> damn.. I'll get right on it
[16:14:48] <Hummin> sad thing is that I can't friggin connect to the internet on my beos lapto
[16:14:49] <Hummin> p
[16:14:56] <Hummin> BRING OUT THE floppy..
[16:14:57] <Procton> oh?
[16:14:57] <Hummin> weee
[16:15:08] <Hummin> nah. .got a prism based usb wireless device
[16:15:11] <Hummin> but it's buggy as hell
[16:15:14] <Procton> ah.
[16:15:22] <Hummin> prolly the usb part that freeaks out
[16:15:29] <Procton> probably.
[16:15:39] <Hummin> as soon as I added security it didn't connect at all
[16:15:54] <Hummin> before that it connected (dhcp) like.. every 6th time
[16:15:56] <Hummin> or something
[16:16:03] <Hummin> 6th time I turned it on
[16:16:53] * Procton shrugs.
[16:17:45] <Hummin> btw.. isn't it microsoft who's rippin apple off, on the gui ?
[16:17:56] <Hummin> do I alone believe that aqua is really nice ?
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[16:18:06] <Hummin> believe = think
[16:18:33] <Hummin> are the aqua buttons rendered programmatically or skinned ?
[16:18:38] <Methe> hello mahlzeit
[16:18:50] <@mahlzeit> hi there
[16:19:09] * Methe is sad
[16:19:09] <Hummin> hi
[16:20:15] <Methe> mahlzeit I've a schedule front of me. Seems like it's f**ked up to make a short this year :((
[16:20:44] <Methe> or a real short of 5mins maybe :(
[16:24:02] <@mahlzeit> why?
[16:24:53] <Methe> Lack of time
[16:25:11] * Methe reevaluates the schedule
[16:26:05] <Methe> hmm
[16:26:09] <Methe> Might still work
[16:26:20] <CIA-4> bonefish * r12095 /haiku/trunk/src/kernel/core/vm/vm.c:
[16:26:20] <CIA-4> * Added printing a stack trace in case of a page fault. Must be enabled
[16:26:20] <CIA-4> explicitely when needed.
[16:26:20] <CIA-4> * Added a ToDo item to _user_resize_area().
[16:26:22] <Methe> xDD
[16:26:55] <@mahlzeit> how can you lack time? you're a student! :-)
[16:27:09] <Methe> You don't see the schedule man
[16:27:28] <Methe> This year is a rush from the beginning
[16:27:46] <CIA-4> bonefish * r12096 /haiku/trunk/headers/os/kernel/OS.h: Added the gcc printf format attribute for debug_printf(), so that gcc warns about format/parameter inconsistencies.
[16:27:50] <Methe> anyway
[16:27:50] <@mahlzeit> you only need 2 days: 1 for rehearsals, 1 for shooting :-)
[16:28:20] <Methe> :)
[16:28:51] <Methe> Ok, final extreme utmost limit for script is May,8
[16:28:58] <Methe> may 9 is first day of exams
[16:29:04] <@mahlzeit> only need 10 pages :-)
[16:29:04] * MikeW wants to see sliding tabs in haiku :)
[16:29:10] <Methe> yup
[16:29:19] <Methe> so it fits
[16:29:23] <Methe> let's get to work
[16:29:27] <Methe> ++
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[16:31:19] <MikeW> hmm, I seen a page a few days ago that talked about rendering GUI elements
[16:31:52] <MikeW> but I can't for the life of me remember what it was about. One of the buttons had a ring around it (reminded me a bit of dan0) and the other was a tiger themed button
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[16:35:11] <CIA-4> bonefish * r12097 /haiku/trunk/src/kernel/libroot/posix/malloc/ (arch-specific.cpp arch-specific.h):
[16:35:12] <CIA-4> Implemented fork() support. We basically need to re-get the heap area
[16:35:12] <CIA-4> after fork()ing and recreate all semaphores we've been using. To do
[16:35:12] <CIA-4> the latter, we simply maintain a list of all locks.
[16:35:12] <CIA-4> fork()ing multithreaded teams can still be troublesome.
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[16:38:53] <Hummin> mikew: was that the one about the wiggly windows ?
[16:38:56] <Hummin> for linux
[16:39:02] <Hummin> they had some random generation of buttons and stuff
[16:39:05] <MikeW> I can't remember
[16:39:07] <Hummin> tiger buttons etc
[16:39:13] <MikeW> ah, yes, that must have been it
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[16:39:25] <MikeW> seths blog
[16:41:38] <Hummin> oh
[16:41:39] <Hummin> url ?
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[16:42:27] <Hummin> also.. I'm looking for an opensource vector rasterization lib.. i used zodius lib waaay back.. but it hasn't been updated in aages
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[16:43:03] <MikeW> gnome.org/~seth
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[16:43:21] <Hummin> ah yeah.. that was the one
[16:43:34] <Hummin> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog-images/monkey-hoot/swoosh-window.png
[16:43:40] <Hummin> pretty nice.. but gnome is a pixel-eater
[16:43:52] <Hummin> not really a space saver.. but I guess that are all settings
[16:43:55] <MikeW> I perfer to look at gnome
[16:44:05] <MikeW> but it is too memory hungry
[16:44:11] <Hummin> jupp
[16:44:16] <MikeW> and I hear that it is dependancy hell
[16:44:17] <Hummin> how about XFCE ?
[16:44:26] <MikeW> I don't know, Im not a linux fan
[16:44:26] <Hummin> it uses gtk+, right ?
[16:44:31] <Hummin> me neither
[16:44:36] <Hummin> I like to look at it though
[16:45:02] <MikeW> dunno, I don't look at it anymore, I deleted my linux partition and extended my windows xp partition by 15gb
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[16:57:00] <CIA-4> bonefish * r12100 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/gdb/opcodes/config.h: Generated by configure.
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[16:57:43] <matricks> Angry monkey are watching you! http://www.teepop.net/matricks/master-b_anim1.gif
[16:58:17] <CIA-4> bonefish * r12098 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/gdb/bfd/config-x86/ (. bfd-in3.h bfd.h bfdver.h config.h): Added files generated by configure for x86.
[16:59:32] <CIA-4> bonefish * r12102 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/gdb/gdb/config-x86/ (. config.h init.c observer.h observer.inc version.c): Added files generated by configure for x86.
[17:03:19] <Hummin> does haiku use antigrain for all it's rendering ?
[17:04:27] <NathanW> yes
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[17:05:30] <Hummin> cool
[17:05:42] <Hummin> anti grain seems to be the most capable rasterizers out there
[17:05:49] <Hummin> does any linux toolkit use it ?
[17:05:52] <NathanW> yeah, it's cool
[17:05:57] <NathanW> I don't believe so
[17:06:03] <Hummin> alright
[17:06:05] <Hummin> is it fast ?
[17:06:19] * Hummin is downloading it.. fiddleing time..
[17:07:14] <stippi> Hummin: I may answer that. At this point in time, with room for optimization left, the agg based drawing backend performs about 11 to 17 times slower than the original app_server drawing into a bitmap.
[17:07:45] <stippi> Hummin: So that's still quite a lot slower, though it is fully anti-aliased.
[17:07:53] <Hummin> damn.. is that due to its dynamic structure and multi purpose
[17:08:03] <Hummin> or was the original one just really optimized ?
[17:08:21] <stippi> Hummin: The original one was rewritten 5 times by different Gods.
[17:08:35] <Hummin> I read something in the docs about scanline rasterizationg being totally unoptimized
[17:08:42] <Hummin> aaah
[17:08:47] <stippi> Hummin: We're not even as far as being able to call our implementation complete.
[17:08:56] * Hummin summons the Gods
[17:09:11] <Hummin> ofcourse I understand that
[17:09:17] <Hummin> but AGG still feels like a good place to start
[17:09:24] <stippi> Hummin: The agg backend is only one possible backend.
[17:09:42] <Hummin> hopefully you/we will be something closer to the speed of haiku in the future.. with room for more features and optimizations
[17:09:44] <stippi> AGG is just the fastest way to get a complete implementation in the least ammount of time.
[17:09:51] <Hummin> yes.. ofcourse
[17:10:07] <Hummin> are you looking to replace it.. or try out other variants in the future ?
[17:10:16] <Hummin> or just roll your own. perhaps
[17:11:14] <stippi> Well, everybody is going anti-aliased drawing nowadays. I think the way to go is to optimize a lot more for the most frequent usage cases of the drawing backend, like solid horizontal or vertical lines of one pixel width.
[17:11:28] <@Dr_Evil> I don't care about the speed, as long as it is useable
[17:11:48] <stippi> And that would make the system feel alot faster without having really optimized anything in the agg backend.
[17:11:54] <stippi> Dr_Evil: Right now, maybe.
[17:12:15] <stippi> Dr_Evil: reworded: right now, I agree.
[17:13:01] <stippi> Dr_Evil: Get something working first. Unfortunately, the drawing backend is not the only thing that needs to get into working state in the app_server codebase... :-\
[17:16:12] <Hummin> or just make some kind of hardware optimization for it!
[17:16:38] <Hummin> ehm.. in the future..
[17:16:38] <Hummin> =)
[17:16:42] <Hummin> - "just"
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[17:21:21] <@Dr_Evil> stippi exactly
[17:21:55] <Hummin> I want a beos compatible webcam and tv card
[17:23:31] <@Dr_Evil> they write a driver
[17:23:43] <@Dr_Evil> *then* write a driver
[17:24:32] <Hummin> hehe
[17:24:41] <Hummin> aren't there working cards and stuff already ?
[17:24:46] <Hummin> liek hauppage cards..
[17:27:07] <Hummin> who was working on a torrent client/server for beos ?
[17:32:30] <Hummin> GDI+ is the one windows or .net uses, right ?
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[17:51:54] <@bonefish> Mmh, I'm confused: The console driver claims to use the module "console/frame_buffer/v1", but I can't find anything in the tree that publishes itself under that name. There's only only the vga_text module, but it's named "console/vga_text/v1".
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[18:06:00] <CIA-4> mmlr * r12105 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/apps/miniterminal/ (MiniApp.cpp MiniApp.h MiniView.cpp):
[18:06:01] <CIA-4> Theoretically it should now be possible to open a MiniTerminal
[18:06:01] <CIA-4> with coordinates specified as arguments, but this somehow
[18:06:01] <CIA-4> (and why ever) does hinder /bin/sh from execution (under R5
[18:06:01] <CIA-4> at least). If someone could point me to the problem I'd be greatful.
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[18:20:54] <bryan_W> that
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[19:09:36] <CIA-4> stippi * r12107 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/drawing/ (9 files in 2 dirs): implemented cursor support in the DisplayDriverPainter
[19:10:18] <Methe> :o
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[19:24:06] <@mahlzeit> Methe: finished? :-)
[19:24:19] <Methe> 1sec,phone
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[19:24:51] <Methe> nope
[19:24:55] <Methe> but i'll work back on it
[19:25:03] <Methe> any minute
[19:25:15] <@mahlzeit> good :-)
[19:25:17] <Methe> I was cleaning the shower
[19:25:24] <Methe> ^^
[19:25:45] <Methe> My objective
[19:25:52] <Methe> to dive in my script all week
[19:27:05] <@mahlzeit> yeah
[19:27:28] <Methe> Havent played Q3 in 2weeks
[19:27:29] <Methe> impressive
[19:28:06] <Methe> =)
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[19:36:39] <Methe> let's eat and go back to it
[19:36:51] <@mahlzeit> yeah!
[19:37:35] <Methe> mahlzeit is now known as Coach
[19:37:41] <Methe> rofl
[19:37:43] <@mahlzeit> yeah
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[19:39:05] <tic> yo yo yo mmu_man!
[19:39:14] <Methe> lo mmu_man
[19:39:59] <@mmu_man> plop
[19:40:16] <tic> Annoying workflow of the week: Remove SD card from camera, insert into laptop running Windows, VNC into laptop, copy the files from the card to the computer, transfer to my site using ftp:// in IE
[19:42:24] <tic> eek! that 2 minute video clip is 117M.  How do I convert it into something better?
[19:42:27] <tic> (under beos)
[19:43:00] <Methe> MediaConverter
[19:43:07] <Methe> IIRC
[19:43:10] <tic> True, but I need an encoder.
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[19:43:23] <Methe> it's not in ?
[19:43:49] <tic> MediaConverter is just an app to decode any media stream and encode it using whatever codecs you've got
[19:44:58] <Methe> yup I know
[19:45:05] <Methe> though some were delivered into Be
[19:45:37] <tic> Yeah, but I need a good codec.  there's basically only mjpeg which I'm aware of, and that's the original format.
[19:45:42] <tic> mpeg4 would be nice.
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[19:53:37] <@mmu_man> ffmpeg
[19:53:38] <@mmu_man> :p
[19:54:28] <Methe> there's 3ivx available as encoder tic too
[19:55:26] <tic> mmu_man, is ffmpeg available as a media add-on for R5 too?
[19:56:59] <@mmu_man> doesn't mean anything
[19:57:07] <@mmu_man> ffdecoder is a media addon
[19:57:22] <@mmu_man> and no I don't have an ffencoder yet
[19:57:29] <@mmu_man> other thing in the work though =)
[19:57:37] <tic> okay, so ffmpeg.encoder is what I'm afte.
[19:57:38] <tic> after
[20:00:11] <@mmu_man> sry
[20:00:18] <@mmu_man> only ffmpeg.something else for now :p
[20:00:27] <tic> :)
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[20:09:11] <tic> ohh, 3 days 8 hour uptime.
[20:09:46] <tic> ... means it'll break soon.
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[20:51:50] <tic> mooooooooooo
[20:52:05] <tic> heya BryanV! how's NaviKey coming along?
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[21:55:21] <@mmu_man> aw
[21:55:27] <@mmu_man> 28 20:55:27 <@mmu_man>	2 hours too early :p
[21:55:40] <@mmu_man> (or don't you have daylight savings in de ?)
[21:56:13] <DaaT> axeld!
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