[00:06:54] <tqh> fyy_laptop I've been thinking if we need the benaphore locking at all in condvar as I think lock is held in all places where we use it.
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[00:18:24] <tqh> nope I was wrong
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[00:22:39] <Dr3w> Hi ppl!
[00:23:46] <@mmu_man> cat /boot/home/coreutils.lstr | grep -v '\.c$' | grep -v '\.h$' | grep -v tests/ | while read f; do TYPE="`p4 fstat "$f" | grep h eadType | sed 's/.*Type //'`+m"; p4 edit -t "$TYPE" "$f"; done
[00:26:09] <fyy_laptop> tqh - found place with missing lock?
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[00:36:29] <@mmu_man> now if only p4 supported attributes
[00:36:36] <@mmu_man> it would be of some use
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[00:51:56] <vjacob> hello
[00:52:21] <vjacob> news of usb boot via massmedia?
[00:53:45] * mmu_man getting a headache from coreutils
[00:54:34] <vjacob> :/
[00:54:48] <vjacob> hmm coreutils
[00:56:25] <@mmu_man> libfetish and (hard)coreutils... :)
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[00:59:40] <vjacob> are there any plans to add support for ieee1394a?
[00:59:51] <vjacob> at this point
[01:00:27] <vjacob> or will that have to wait on other parts?
[01:01:14] <dr_Evil_> I have a book on firewire
[01:01:41] <dr_Evil_> FireWire(R) System Architecture: IEEE 1394A
[01:02:24] <vjacob> ok.
[01:02:35] <vjacob> at least you've heard about it ;)
[01:02:40] <dr_Evil_> bought it, but haven't read it so far, but I guess I made more progress than others with bringing firewire to haiku ;)
[01:03:01] <vjacob> oh
[01:03:02] <dr_Evil_> I even have a firewire harddisk
[01:03:04] <vjacob> you even bought it
[01:03:05] <vjacob> same here
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[01:03:28] <vjacob> I use firewire for dvdrom, cdrw and dvd-rw also though
[01:03:52] <vjacob> some people will probably also use it for things like iPod
[01:04:28] <dr_Evil_> camera, too
[01:04:34] <vjacob> of course it will probably make much sense to support USB2 first and foremost
[01:04:43] <vjacob> if nothing else then in the boot phase
[01:05:11] <vjacob> as most newer pcs with firewire still only allow booting via USB
[01:06:15] <Dr3w> did BeOS ever have any support for FireWire?
[01:06:15] <vjacob> dr_Evil_, anything else that might be easy to use with firewire, we forgot?
[01:07:12] <dr_Evil_> Dr3w yes, for camera I think
[01:07:25] <[Beta]> networking.
[01:07:32] <dr_Evil_> voidref don't know
[01:08:26] <vjacob> [Beta], oh yeah
[01:08:27] <vjacob> good point
[01:08:43] <vjacob> firewire is also sweet for networking
[01:09:51] <[Beta]> DV cams use it, dont they? (is iLink firewire (?))
[01:10:15] <dr_Evil_> yes, cameras
[01:11:14] <vjacob> [Beta], yeah i think it is
[01:11:53] <vjacob> the only difference is the connectors used, each manufacturer seems to have the idea to use their version of the connector
[01:12:06] <vjacob> so far I've managed with buying one extra cable
[01:12:19] <vjacob> afaik
[01:13:10] <dr_Evil_> I used two 4 <=> 6 cables and a harddisk with both 6 pin connectors to connect a 4 pin camera to my 4 pin notebook
[01:13:50] <vjacob> what i like about firewire is its expandability, and.. it just works
[01:14:09] <vjacob> that's on windows however
[01:14:19] <vjacob> so far I've had to install no drivers, that's what I'm talking about
[01:15:18] <vjacob> i wonder if that is due to less hindrances in terms of supporting IEEE1394 than USB
[01:15:34] <vjacob> as i have no proof of that, i better take that back
[01:18:25] <vjacob> i think there is much potential if haiku catered to students in for instance science more
[01:18:54] <vjacob> there will always be potential in any direction
[01:18:57] <vjacob> possibly
[01:20:00] <vjacob> but i think scientists want something new and something with posix compliance
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[01:24:04] <[Beta]> a]>	a posix geekport? :o
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[01:24:59] <vjacob> hmm
[01:25:04] <vjacob> well i really do mean what i wrote
[01:25:06] <dr_Evil_> vjacob well I think this is correct, but they most likely also want Microsoft Visio, PowerPoint and Excel
[01:25:18] <vjacob> you are right
[01:25:36] <vjacob> but i think if a trend had to start someplace with young people
[01:26:02] <vjacob> students in science, computerscience, math are good candidates :)
[01:26:37] <@mmu_man> n8
[01:26:45] <mmu_man> [Beta] posix sux
[01:27:03] <@mmu_man> they can't even use existing things that work but instead design lower APIs
[01:27:03] <vjacob> and you are right, it will be necessary to let people access some windows apps, if people are to stay booted in haiku, unless they have more than 1 pc
[01:27:07] <@mmu_man> like eattrs
[01:27:16] <@mmu_man> untyped, unindexed...
[01:27:19] <vjacob> posix may suck
[01:27:37] <vjacob> but there is much suckage in code
[01:27:48] <@mmu_man> I guess win32 sux more :)
[01:27:59] <vjacob> so you do not use win32 apps?
[01:28:01] <vjacob> i'm talking about apps
[01:28:24] <Dr3w> night
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[01:29:22] <vjacob> i think you are right, however it all comes back to existing apps?
[01:29:26] <dr_Evil_> I don't want windows app compatilbity, but beeing able to use a native software that understands the file formats would be a plus
[01:29:35] <vjacob> yes
[01:29:49] <vjacob> it would be
[01:30:02] <vjacob> and it is perhaps somewhat possible
[01:30:08] <vjacob> if the format is openoffice calc?
[01:30:31] <vjacob> or KOffice spreadsheet, or X, or Y, or X/Y
[01:32:53] <vjacob> I don't know how easy it is to do Excel
[01:32:57] <vjacob> or Powerpoint
[01:33:06] <vjacob> Visio I've never used yet
[01:33:19] <vjacob> dr_Evil_, what do you use Visio for?
[01:34:12] <dr_Evil_> flow chars, diagrams, etc
[01:34:16] <dr_Evil_> charts
[01:34:41] <@mmu_man> zzz
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[01:36:23] <vjacob> ok
[01:36:42] <vjacob> for software project visualization?
[01:36:45] <vjacob> ..
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[01:41:06] <vjacob> dr_Evil_, ? :)
[01:41:29] <dr_Evil_> for a lot of tasks
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[01:58:46] <vjacob> interesting
[01:58:51] <vjacob> perhaps I should give it a look
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[05:35:05] <mmadia> are there any directory shortcuts similar to '~'  ?
[05:35:42] <@geist> rm -rf / is short for "download lots of porn"
[05:44:16] <mmadia> funny :P
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[05:44:58] <mmadia> how you doin today geist?
[05:45:51] <@geist> doin alright. hackin my tivo a bit more
[05:45:54] <@geist> just to see what I can do with it
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[10:55:22] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c: added one (still disabled) register for framebuffer config(?) on NV40/NV45 (in test)
[10:57:16] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/nv_macros.h: small cleanup, added one new registerdefine for NV40/NV45.
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[12:28:14] <Hoern> Hi
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[13:50:27] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/ (nv_acc_dma.c nv_general.c): added fix (not yet completely tested) for NV40/NV45 artifacts on heavy acc engine use. Bumped driverversion to 0.37.
[13:58:12] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/ (README.html UPDATE.html): updated doc once more.
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[14:01:30] <CIA-3> zooey * buildtools/gcc/gcc/ (17 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[14:01:31] <CIA-3> -3>	- Applied several (old, external) patches that enable the support for anonymous
[14:01:31] <CIA-3> structs and unions in C as well as in C++ (application of this patch has
[14:01:31] <CIA-3> been sugggested by execom through BeBits-talkback).
[14:01:31] <CIA-3> This mail-thread explains the problem & solution:
[14:01:31] <CIA-3> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-bugs/1999-08n/msg00914.html
[14:01:33] <CIA-3> These are the patches that have been applied:
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[14:10:42] <Dr_Evil> anonymous struct, whats that good for? the example at http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-bugs/1999-08n/msg00807.html doesn't convince me that we need it
[14:12:59] <@voidref> idref>	i suspect it's mostly for ports
[14:13:11] <@voidref> I remember the Unreal code having anon structs in it for some reason
[14:14:20] <@voidref> no, that was anon unions, nm
[14:18:13] <Dr_Evil> anon unions make sense, but I don't see what a anon struct is good for, as it has no effect
[14:21:49] <@mmu_man> that' great for hacks :)
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[14:26:54] <tqh> mmm, hacks
[14:27:08] <tqh> almost as tasty as magic numbers
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[15:40:15] <visor> hey ppl can osloader actually boot beos 5?
[15:40:43] <@mmu_man> no idea
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[15:45:05] <visor> well thanks anyway
[15:45:31] <visor> it just seems that beos wont load with an SATA inertface attached so i was wondering if osloeader will do so
[15:52:38] <visor> it didnt, and actually i think i messed up the installation hehe
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[18:03:25] <fyysik> seen frankps
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[18:21:38] <@mmu_man> [18:17] -NickServ-           Last Seen: 4 hours 36 minutes 54 seconds ago
[18:21:41] <@mmu_man> /ns info frankps
[18:21:48] <@mmu_man> fyysik
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[18:22:12] <@NathanW> hi mmu_man
[18:31:07] <fyysik> mmu_man
[18:31:25] <fyysik> tnanks
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[18:34:37] <@mmu_man> ..
[18:41:22] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/ (nv_acc_dma.c nv_general.c): optimizing DMA acc for speed ('step 1'). Also simplifies code.
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[18:43:32] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/UPDATE.html: bumped version to 0.38.
[18:46:52] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/nv_acc.h: added a comment about 'parallel processing' of rect functions (due for next speed optimize 'step 2').
[18:47:45] <@mmu_man> fyysik I think frank is around here
[18:47:48] <@mmu_man> try #beclan
[18:48:42] <fyysik> ik>	i c
[18:56:04] <@mmu_man> ohhhh !
[18:56:07] <@mmu_man> beshare:BHierarchy
[18:56:15] <@mmu_man> *that*'s what I was searching for :)
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[18:59:45] <@NathanW> Is anyone working on ACPI for Haiku?
[19:02:04] <@NathanW> I ask because I have an ACPI bus manager now, thanks to glorious, glorious Intel
[19:02:56] <@mmu_man> interestnug
[19:03:13] <@mmu_man> I've been wanting to do some pm architecture for some time, but EBUSY
[19:03:20] <@NathanW> Based on the ACPI-CA
[19:03:29] <@mmu_man> I need something for Zeta anyway
[19:03:32] <@mmu_man> with APM also...
[19:03:36] <@NathanW> I'm going to make a nice interface to it, then stick it in CVS
[19:03:43] <@mmu_man> please do
[19:03:44] <@NathanW> There are no ACPI drivers, yet
[19:04:04] <@NathanW> But it takes care of hardware initializatioin, register access, interrupt handling, AMLM Mexecutioni
[19:04:10] <@NathanW> AML execution, rather
[19:04:11] <@mmu_man> is it possible to use apm instead depending on what's in the bios ?
[19:04:17] <@NathanW> Yeah
[19:04:19] <@mmu_man> as in different backend to the bus manager ?
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[19:04:27] <@NathanW> It has a hook to turn ACPI on and off
[19:04:37] <@NathanW> Once ACPI is enabled on the hardware, APM goes away
[19:04:52] <@mmu_man> now, what's needed is a way to register hooks from drivers
[19:05:09] <@NathanW> Theoretically, we could just have /dev/misc/battery with acpi and apm battery drivers and such
[19:05:12] <@mmu_man> as for ex the gfx driver should save teh GP state
[19:05:17] <@NathanW> right
[19:05:21] <@mmu_man> it *must* do that for apm actually
[19:05:29] <@mmu_man> despite the bios doing everything...
[19:05:33] <@NathanW> That's something else to take care of
[19:05:34] <@mmu_man> it doesn't like most drivers
[19:05:39] <@mmu_man> so it only works with VESA in R5
[19:05:48] <@NathanW> I'm just implementing this so I can read my thermal sensors :)
[19:05:56] <@mmu_man> apm suspend actuallyu works not bad in R5 if you use vESA
[19:06:02] <@NathanW> really?
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[19:06:18] <@NathanW> I figured it would break everything horribly :)
[19:06:19] <@mmu_man> we also need an arch for that as well... having all those lmfoo drivers around is ugly
[19:06:28] <@NathanW> ACPI does it all for you
[19:06:37] <@mmu_man> no, acpi does nothing :p
[19:06:42] <@NathanW> Generic interfaces to them
[19:06:42] <@mmu_man> it lets the OS do it
[19:06:46] <@NathanW> Not in this case
[19:06:47] <@mmu_man> nothing is done by the bios
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[19:07:06] <@NathanW> it's not the BIOS
[19:07:21] <@mmu_man> the bios only has a table telling the os what to do
[19:07:28] <@NathanW> the AML ROM on the firmware defines ways to access fans in AML bytecode
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[19:07:38] <@NathanW> And battery information, etc.
[19:07:46] <@NathanW> The OS has to do it, but the ROM tells us how
[19:08:00] <@mmu_man> whle APM is implemented as functions in the BIOS that runs under SMM
[19:08:11] <@NathanW> right
[19:08:29] <@mmu_man> does it tell also how to shut off the GPU without having to play with the driver ?
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[19:08:35] <@NathanW> I don't know
[19:08:42] <@mmu_man> I suppose it needs a bit of cooperation from it , be it only to tell it to stop
[19:08:49] <@NathanW> You'd have to look at how the AML power code is implemented
[19:08:55] <@NathanW> That code is probably lame :)
[19:09:04] <@mmu_man> "the video driver is nitofied through the miniport driver " blahblah...
[19:09:12] <@NathanW> hahaha
[19:09:17] <@mmu_man> HATE those specs which speak as if everyone was using winblows
[19:09:49] <@mmu_man> now wouldn't you finish your net drivers first so they do'nt crash ? :P
[19:10:00] <@NathanW> ok
[19:10:02] <@NathanW> I need to go
[19:10:15] <@NathanW> mmu_man: I did, I fixed it
[19:10:24] <@NathanW> Bernd's laptop works perfectly now
[19:10:38] <@NathanW> I also made the same change to the bcm570x driver, but only in CVS at the moment
[19:13:06] <@NathanW> Intel is being very nice with regard to ACPI -- the thing is even BSD licensed
[19:16:06] <@mmu_man> I recalled it used to be GPLed or something
[19:16:25] <@mmu_man> or under another licence but with requirements
[19:16:30] <@mmu_man> are you sure it's ok now ?
[19:30:10] <@NathanW> I'm pretty sure
[19:30:23] <@NathanW> It *looks* like an OpenSSL-style BSD license
[19:30:34] <@NathanW> With some export crud, which is the only problem
[19:30:57] <@NathanW> It's in both Free and NetBSD
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[19:39:47] <@mmu_man> http://www.ccrb.demon.co.uk/beos/memory.htm funny, looks like PC's display
[19:41:47] <@mmu_man> export ? oh, right, shitty US export laws ?
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