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[01:14:15] <quittt> hi
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[02:18:04] <CIA-3> nwhitehorn * current/makehdimage: Added autodetection of SMP machines, so that it sets the -j argument to jam appropriately.
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[04:57:29] <CIA-3> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/fs/vfs.cpp:
[04:57:29] <CIA-3> Fixed a possible crashing bug in case of a corrupt inode: the vnode was
[04:57:29] <CIA-3> removed twice from its mount's list.
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[06:01:35] <@AndrewBachmann> anybody here in europe
[06:06:42] <Koki> hello AndrewBachmann
[06:06:52] <Koki> are you still in China?
[06:07:02] <@AndrewBachmann> I'm back
[06:07:11] <Koki> how was your trip?
[06:07:22] <@AndrewBachmann> good
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[06:08:09] <Koki> what part of China did you visit?
[06:09:11] <@AndrewBachmann> hong kong, kai ping, shanghai area, mostly
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[06:13:52] <Koki> My mother is visiting my sister who lives in HKG, and they went to Shanghai for a few days this last weekend. Bad weather they said.
[06:14:01] <@AndrewBachmann> cold
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[08:05:53] <Kernel86> common bjx0, leave him alone :P
[08:06:06] <bjx0> Leave who alone?
[08:06:12] <bjx0> [1:04am] *Necrosan* I HAVE MAC OS X AND YOU DON'T HA HA HA HA HA HA HA YOU STUPID BITCH
[08:06:12] <bjx0> [1:04am] *Necrosan* I HAVE MAC OS X AND YOU DON'T HA HA HA HA HA HA HA YOU STUPID BITCH
[08:06:12] <bjx0> [1:04am] *Necrosan* I HAVE MAC OS X AND YOU DON'T HA HA HA HA HA HA HA YOU STUPID BITCH
[08:06:12] <bjx0> [1:04am] *Necrosan* I HAVE MAC OS X AND YOU DON'T HA HA HA HA HA HA HA YOU STUPID BITCH
[08:06:12] <bjx0> [1:04am] *Necrosan* I HAVE MAC OS X AND YOU DON'T HA HA HA HA HA HA HA YOU STUPID BITCH
[08:06:17] <bjx0> He's notice flooding me
[08:06:25] <bjx0> I haven't done anything to hurt anyone all night
[08:06:34] <bjx0> These people are such assholes in #macosx
[08:06:41] <Kernel86> k
[08:06:57] <bjx0> Can you help me though?
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[08:07:35] <Kernel86> i wish i could but if dmg2iso doesn't work ur kindda screwed
[08:07:49] <Kernel86> u live in the us?
[08:07:53] <bjx0> Yes.
[08:08:19] <Kernel86> i'd be happy to mail you a burned disc 1 if you'd like
[08:08:32] <bjx0> How many disks are their in total?
[08:08:35] <Kernel86> 35 <Kernel86>	3
[08:08:44] <bjx0> Could you burn all three/
[08:08:54] <Kernel86> sure
[08:09:08] <bjx0> I'd do anything to have Mac OS 10.3 Panther working on this computer but Wednesday
[08:09:29] <Kernel86> what model mac you have?
[08:10:17] <bjx0> PowerMac G3 Blue and white 400mhz 512 Mb ram
[08:10:34] <Kernel86> aww.. it's better than mine... lol
[08:10:42] <bjx0> What's yours?
[08:10:52] <bjx0> Do you have MSN?
[08:11:09] <Kernel86> it's a Beige Macintosh Server G3, 300MHz @ 333 384mb ram
[08:11:14] <bjx0> lol
[08:11:15] <Kernel86> yeah, ShawnCPU5 at msn dot com
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[09:06:03] <@JBurton> hi
[09:08:03] <xeD> JBurton hola
[09:09:19] <Soulbender> 'ola
[09:11:35] <@JBurton> hi Soulbender and xeD
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[09:26:02] <Soulbender> http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/luser/
[09:26:06] <Soulbender> heh
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[09:56:48] <@JBurton> hi Korli
[09:59:23] <@Korli> hey JBurton
[09:59:55] <@JBurton> so you fixed sscanf in the end :)
[10:00:37] <@JBurton> vfprintf looks broken too
[10:03:34] <matricks> heh
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[10:04:14] <@JBurton> oh he got scared :P
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[10:04:38] <@Korli> JBurton yeah somewhat fixed
[10:05:27] <@JBurton> I fear glibc
[10:05:51] <@JBurton> I can't really understand how someone can have written something like that
[10:07:01] <matricks> heh
[10:07:25] <@Korli> i>	i think it can be built for several uses
[10:07:59] <@JBurton> looking at it, I'm starting to think I can commit my new version of BMenuBar::Track() (150 lines, full of goto) :P
[10:08:23] <@Korli> please don't :)
[10:08:24] <@JBurton> Korli okay, though there is no way one can understand what happens there
[10:08:26] <@JBurton> Korli :)
[10:08:33] <@JBurton> don't worry :P
[10:09:01] <@Korli> JBurton our build system makes glibc a pain
[10:09:37] <@JBurton> oh
[10:12:41] <@JBurton> well, but it's not only that
[10:13:02] <@JBurton> I mean, remember I told you yesterday that __strtol_internal() wasn't defined anywhere ?
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[10:13:12] <@JBurton> and still, it linked fine
[10:13:47] <@JBurton> magic ? :P
[10:14:57] <@Korli> no it is defined in posix/stdlib
[10:15:04] <@Korli> not in glibc
[10:17:10] <@JBurton> oh, weird
[10:19:36] <@JBurton> I thought that posix/stdlib was the bsd libc
[10:19:52] <@JBurton> shouldn't have anything in common with the gnu libc, apart the exported api
[10:20:02] <@Korli> yeah someone added the private glibc calls for strtol
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[10:21:31] <@JBurton> ah
[10:21:40] <@JBurton> becoming messier :P
[10:21:45] <@JBurton> but, if it works... :)
[10:24:12] <@Korli> maybe we should keep glibc parts when possible
[10:24:49] <@JBurton> yeah
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[10:43:43] <@mmu_man> hmmm
[10:43:45] <@mmu_man> -      || (st.st_size == 0 && ftruncate (fd, st.st_size) < 0)
[10:43:45] <@mmu_man> +      || (sb.st_size == 0 && ftruncate (fd, sb.st_size) < 0)
[10:43:48] <@mmu_man> wtf ?
[10:43:55] <@mmu_man> there is no sb in there
[10:45:32] <@Korli> mmu_man still ls hacking ?
[10:46:06] <@mmu_man> that's in lib/utime.c
[10:46:21] <@mmu_man> Korli adding coreutiols 5.2.1 to Zeta :)
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[10:46:55] <@mmu_man> trying to find something useful from the oreutil in haiku... most is useless though
[10:47:10] <@mmu_man> now the attribute copy code I'll take :)
[10:47:11] <@Korli> "struct stat sb;"
[10:47:31] <@mmu_man> well it's st in 5.2.1
[10:47:38] <@mmu_man> no reason to call it sb anyway
[10:47:52] <@Korli> we're not 5.2.1
[10:47:58] <@Korli> that's the reason
[10:48:10] <@Korli> we're a bit late
[10:49:44] <@Korli> it's a TODO item
[10:49:46] <@mmu_man> :p
[10:49:54] <Soulbender> so, if st is short for stat what is sb short for?
[10:50:06] <@Korli> Soulbender the same
[10:50:18] <@Korli> just a renaming occured
[10:51:13] <Soulbender> lets call it stab
[10:52:42] <@mmu_man> now, there is an ignore_attributes option but it has no syntax :)
[10:53:04] <@JBurton> Soulbender or sbat
[10:53:17] <@JBurton> mmu_man glibc == evil
[10:53:30] <@JBurton> coreutils > glibc
[10:54:05] <@mmu_man> JBurton coreutils
[10:54:26] <Soulbender> i liked he oreutils better
[10:54:27] <Soulbender> ;)
[10:54:34] <matricks> is coreutils beos substitute for glibc?
[10:55:04] <@JBurton> matricks no, coreutils are some evil gnu utils
[10:55:12] <matricks> hehu
[10:55:37] <@JBurton> why are you doing this to Zeta, mmu_man ? has it done anything bad to you ? ;P
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[10:57:12] <@JBurton> hi BGA
[10:58:48] <@mmu_man> coreutils = shutils + fileutils + ...
[10:59:12] <@mmu_man> JBurton yeah bernd doesn't pay enough :D
[10:59:24] <@mmu_man> anyway now it's called GNU/Zeta >:-)
[11:00:08] <@JBurton> eheh lol
[11:00:42] <Soulbender> hehehe
[11:02:09] <@mmu_man> hmm anyone tested that attr copy in cp, mv ?
[11:02:25] <@mmu_man> I'm quite confident it will spit out a lot of errors when using on FAT
[11:03:07] <@mmu_man> damn why can't ppl use the coding style of the file they add to ???
[11:03:09] <@JBurton> mmu_man are you talking about posix attributes ?
[11:03:16] <@mmu_man> s/copyFrom/copy_from/
[11:03:18] <@JBurton> coding style is for sissies
[11:03:22] <@mmu_man> JBurton no beos ones
[11:03:36] <@mmu_man> I'll #ifdef that, and leave room for POSIX ones
[11:04:08] <Soulbender> i didnt know there was posix attributes
[11:04:11] <@JBurton> doesn't beos have copyattr to preserve attributes ? regular cp shouldn't take them into account
[11:05:38] <@JBurton> Soulbender sure, that's another cool stuff we'll need to support
[11:05:49] <@JBurton> with another new broken api
[11:05:54] <@mmu_man> ohh, and leftover debug printfs
[11:06:05] <@mmu_man> JBurton cp should
[11:06:30] <@mmu_man> Soulbender yes there are, finally
[11:06:41] <@mmu_man> except they are inheritely beokrn and incompatible with ours
[11:06:44] <@mmu_man> (not typed)
[11:06:48] <@mmu_man> broken
[11:07:31] <@JBurton> mmu_man weird, I thought we were using copyattr instead because cp doesn't.
[11:07:31] <Soulbender> nice
[11:07:32] <Soulbender> :P
[11:07:49] <Soulbender> i didnt know posix concerned itself with filesystem semantics
[11:08:50] <@JBurton> posix ownz
[11:08:51] <@JBurton> :P
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[11:10:15] <@mmu_man> arf, and not returning anything on int foo()...
[11:10:18] <@mmu_man> who wrote that ?
[11:10:25] <@mmu_man> JBurton it doesn't
[11:10:26] <@mmu_man> yet
[11:10:32] <@mmu_man> but it hould really
[11:10:50] <matricks> btw, is there a c++ guru here with a link to how c++ mangles/decorates symbols?
[11:11:51] <@JBurton> matricks it depends by the compiler
[11:12:07] <@JBurton> mmu_man ah ok I see your point now :P
[11:12:21] <@JBurton> s/by/??
[11:12:48] <matricks> JBurton: really? I thought that was standalized :\
[11:12:57] <@JBurton> matricks no
[11:13:00] <matricks> bummer
[11:13:30] <@JBurton> matricks that's why, for example, gcc 3.x binaries doesn't work on beos
[11:13:36] <@JBurton> er
[11:13:36] <matricks> ahh
[11:13:38] <@JBurton> not exactly
[11:13:48] <@JBurton> that's why gcc 3 binaries can't link to beos system libraries
[11:13:50] <@JBurton> better :P
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[11:14:34] * matricks wanna run beos again
[11:15:07] <@JBurton> matricks though, if you're interested, this file http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/open-beos/current/src/kits/support/Archivable.cpp?rev=1.2&view=markup will tell you how gcc 2.9 mangles function names
[11:15:26] <@JBurton> or at least you will get hints on it
[11:15:39] <matricks> well, I'm more intrested in msvc++ name mangling
[11:15:50] <@JBurton> ah, can't help you there :P
[11:16:01] <@mmu_man> hate p4
[11:16:03] <matricks> I think I can figure it out by my slef
[11:16:11] <@mmu_man> how do I create a patch from p4 diff ????
[11:16:12] <matricks> mmu_man: why? it's awesome
[11:16:33] <@mmu_man> I get headers with ==== //depot/blah - /foo/bar/blah ===
[11:16:38] <@mmu_man> I want
[11:16:42] <@mmu_man> --- foo
[11:16:43] <@mmu_man> +++ bar
[11:16:52] <@mmu_man> patch will never eat that
[11:17:41] <@JBurton> sed ? :P
[11:18:58] <@mmu_man> missing header for unified diff at line 2 of patch
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[11:23:57] <@mmu_man> pfff
[11:23:59] * mmu_man mans for sed
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[11:25:41] <@mmu_man> sed 's/^==== \(.*\) - \(.*\) ====$/--- \1\
[11:25:42] <@mmu_man> +++\2/'
[11:25:48] <@mmu_man> very crappy
[11:26:11] <@JBurton> don't tell me, I thought YOU were the unix guru
[11:26:27] <@JBurton> the best I can do with sed is s/foo/bar :P
[11:26:59] <Soulbender> ugh
[11:27:00] <Soulbender> regex
[11:29:36] <@JBurton> Soulbender that was a good read :P
[11:29:50] <@JBurton> <Soulbender> http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/luser/
[11:30:21] <Soulbender> yeah
[11:30:22] <Soulbender> hehehehe
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[11:31:11] <@JBurton> Korli we should have something like this: http://www.schmidp.com/public/haiku/
[11:31:16] <@JBurton> in our build factory
[11:32:13] <@JBurton> and btw our BF is still not up to date
[11:32:16] <@JBurton> *sigh*
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[12:05:53] <CIA-3> korli * current/src/kernel/libroot/os/debug.c: error handling
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[12:16:13] <@Korli> JBurton if it's working well enough, we can affiliate this factory
[12:19:40] <@JBurton> I think he's doing builds "by hand", though :P
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[12:35:22] <CIA-3> jackburton * current/src/kits/app/Handler.cpp: BHandler::MessageReceived handles also B_GET_SUPPORTED_SUITES as it should, and prints the message to the stream if it doesn't understand it. Restyled the function to follow our guidelines (more or less).
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[12:46:19] <@JBurton> Korli we are going to have some fun when we'll debug the api scripting stuff
[12:46:27] <@JBurton> I think it's mostly broken
[12:51:26] <@Korli> JBurton good guess
[13:02:16] <@mmu_man> hmm
[13:02:18] <@mmu_man> wtf
[13:02:42] <@mmu_man> on should not copy over attributes to an hardlinked file
[13:02:46] <@mmu_man> it *is* the same file
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[13:10:49] <@JBurton> am I wrong, or BFS doesn't support hardlinks ?
[13:11:17] <Soulbender> it doesnt
[13:11:17] <Soulbender> iirc
[13:17:47] <@JBurton> hmmm does anyone of you bought Refraction ?
[13:17:54] <@JBurton> er
[13:17:54] <@JBurton> did
[13:17:57] <@JBurton> argh
[13:17:58] <@JBurton> whatever
[13:18:15] <@JBurton> has
[13:18:16] <@JBurton> :)
[13:19:50] <slaad> I have.
[13:21:14] <@JBurton> how is it ?
[13:21:21] <slaad> Not too bad.
[13:21:26] <@JBurton> I am asking because DW is working on BePhotoMagic again
[13:21:31] <slaad> DW?
[13:21:32] <@JBurton> and it's free, IIRC
[13:21:35] <slaad> Oh, right.
[13:21:35] <@JBurton> DarkWyrm
[13:21:43] <Soulbender> GW's unheard of cousin
[13:21:45] <@JBurton> http://darkwyrm.beemulated.net/
[13:21:47] <@JBurton> lol
[13:22:01] <slaad> I'm no artiste... I just bought it to support them and for the odd time I need to graphic something up.
[13:22:49] <@JBurton> ;P
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[14:17:37] <@mmu_man> hmm do we have B_HAIKU_VERSION ?
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[14:27:26] <Dr3w> Hey folks!
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[15:23:49] <visor> hi people
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[17:43:28] <Lebuzzer> So many chatters, so little chatter!
[17:43:57] <kr1stof> Probably still busy @work
[17:44:14] <Lebuzzer> the merkans, anyway, eh?
[17:44:41] <Lebuzzer> Well, actually a lot of the pions too at this time of day...  :-)
[17:45:18] * kr1stof is trying to get over the last hour of his busy working week
[17:45:29] <Lebuzzer> Where are you kr1stof?
[17:45:35] <kr1stof> Germany
[17:45:43] <Lebuzzer> What kind of work do you do?
[17:47:11] <kr1stof> sales & marketing
[17:47:33] <kr1stof> ...so nothing creative or productive ;-)
[17:48:46] <Lebuzzer> But tiring, right?  :-)
[17:49:18] <kr1stof> indeed
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[18:26:46] <Assimil8or> hi fyysik
[18:27:52] <CIA-3> korli * current/src/kernel/apps/consoled/consoled.cpp: FindString is better than FindData (thanks axeld)
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[21:19:30] * tqh is thinking of switching some ports for pipes
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[21:27:43] <CIA-3> korli * current/src/prefs/devices/ (usb_devlist2h.awk usbdevs Jamfile): added usb devices and vendors list from NetBSD version 1.395
[21:29:36] <CIA-3> korli * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/input/hid/ (Jamfile hid.c): Wacom devices are now not handled, uses devices preferences devices list
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[21:40:44] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/ (README.html UPDATE.html): updated driver documentation.
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[21:48:28] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/ (README.html UPDATE.html): replaced some occurances of BeOS with Haiku :-)
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[22:16:19] <tqh> fyy_laptop I have an idea of replacing ports with pipes in nsAppshell and friends...
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[22:16:37] <tqh> http://www.beatjapan.org/mirror/www.be.com/aboutbe/benewsletter/volume_II/Issue29.html#Insight2
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[22:21:20] <fyy_laptop> pipes? which pipes? are you joking, tqh?
[22:21:56] <fyy_laptop> if you mean posix pipes in BeOS - this is worsest part of BeOS posix implementation
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[22:22:53] <@geist> yeah it was pretty hacked together
[22:23:17] <tqh> fyy_laptop Oh so opening a "/pipe/wohoo" is not better than a port
[22:23:45] <fyy_laptop> unreliable and i think even much slower than ports
[22:24:15] <fyy_laptop> and if amount of date to transfer by once is bigger than 4096 (IIRC) - broken
[22:24:23] <tqh> I read this from Be newsletter: "At present, pipes are essentially just as fast as ports, so there is no reason to not use them for IPC. If anything, we expect pipes to get faster as we optimize them in future releases."
[22:25:30] <fyy_laptop> ask mmu_man. or maybe geist what they do think about this. By i doubt that this is good idea in our case
[22:25:47] <@mmu_man> pipes *are* slow
[22:26:24] * tqh scraps the pipe idea
[22:26:27] <@mmu_man> ok, cd ..; rm -r coreutils; p4 sync -f ...
[22:26:37] <@mmu_man> grrr
[22:29:23] <fyy_laptop> tqh - if you need some really intriguing quiz, you may think about method how to change proxying from native multiwindow events to main gui thread. or some annother method to make it all thread-safe. In this case we don't need most of those port-messages:)
[22:33:50] <@geist> in the case of haiku, unless pipes have been rewritten from the newos version I did a while back, ports have a much higher chance of being fast
[22:34:02] <@geist> I did pipes by doing a pipefs, whichmeans there are more layers to go through
[22:34:08] <@geist> though it should ultimately be pretty close to posix
[22:34:32] <tqh> fyy_laptop Well I know very little about the code outside of beos code to do it.
[22:35:09] <tqh> geist Ah, well I'm scraping that idea. It just seemed like a good idea when I read that newsletter.
[22:36:37] * tqh goes back to th nspr stuff he likes so much :)
[22:40:11] <fyy_laptop> heh
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