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[00:16:12] <tic> slaad!
[00:16:21] <tic> I'm going to bed now if you don't give me a hug.
[00:18:47] <jonaskirilla> you're just too cute.. ;)
[00:19:08] <tic> (shamelessly ripped from the title "if someone doesn't pinch me in the ass soon I'm going home!"
[00:19:09] <tic> )
[00:19:14] <tic> s/ripped/stolen
[00:19:17] <tic> aaaaanyway. *zzz*
[00:20:53] <jonaskirilla> well, I'm not pinching anyone's behind today
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[00:25:25] <bryan_W> darn :(
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[01:03:35] <Hoern> n8
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[01:03:48] <@geist> heh
[01:04:03] <@geist> I love the 'n8' stuff. I guess 8 is pronounced differently in germany
[01:04:11] <@geist> because 'n8' in english sounds like 'nate'
[01:09:25] <bryan_W> yup
[01:16:56] <MikeW> "nacht"
[01:17:09] <MikeW> but they are speaking english here
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[01:32:17] <swer> does anyone know where I can get the recent opentracker source code?
[01:32:43] <swer> The tarball link on opentracker.be is broken and the opentracker cvs on sourceforge gives me a timeout
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[01:42:13] <swer> ok, got it - the url on opentracker.be is misspelt
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[09:14:58] <JBurton> hi all
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[09:17:58] <@geist> howdy
[09:18:02] <@JBurton> hey geist
[09:21:27] <matricks> And here is todays humor
[09:21:29] <matricks> http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/thestrip.asp?cDay=27&cMonth=7&cYear=2002
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[09:26:39] <CIA-3> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/InterfaceDefs.cpp: Now we fill BMenu::sMenuInfo with some default values. This should fix the problems with our BMenus on our app server. DarkWyrm, please check.
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[10:07:52] <@JBurton> hey Korli
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[10:11:15] <@Korli> hi JBurton
[10:11:31] <@mmu_man> hmm there are some really ugly things in our coreutil src...
[10:11:53] <@Korli> seems my keymap problem is more a bad code problem
[10:12:13] <@Korli> mmu_man feel free to tell more
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[10:12:39] <@JBurton> mmu_man not only there :P
[10:12:42] <@mmu_man> well I need them in zeta anyway, so I'll fix what I can
[10:12:44] <@JBurton> Korli ah, okay
[10:13:00] <@JBurton> mmu_man also some pref apps are badly written
[10:13:55] <@JBurton> I remember a "new BView(*(new BRect(...)), ....)" somewhere, for example
[10:14:02] <@Korli> mmu_man this begeistert website is more and more a joke :  http://www.begeistert.org/faq_en.html
[10:14:56] <matricks> JBurton: better badly written then non-existant?
[10:15:16] <@JBurton> matricks I guess, that's what I thought too when I joined haiku :P
[10:15:24] <matricks> :)
[10:15:37] <@JBurton> though it's important that we KNOW they're bad, otherwise we could have bad surprises
[10:15:45] <matricks> yeah
[10:15:59] <matricks> // TODO: ARGH.. bad code (tm)
[10:16:16] <@JBurton> that's bad too
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[10:16:28] <@JBurton> I prefer: //TODO: This isn't right, we should do blablabablalbalb
[10:16:43] <matricks> ye :)
[10:17:14] <matricks> any form of notice should be fine.. but always nice to explain why it's bad too
[10:17:44] <@JBurton> yeah
[10:17:58] <@mmu_man> Korli Charlie is busy
[10:18:07] <matricks> you know that MS has a patent to track // TODO: stuff in a listbox right? :)
[10:18:19] <@JBurton> yes, I think I've heard of it
[10:18:24] <@mmu_man> yeah then ppl wonder why yT doesn't use haiku code :p
[10:18:30] <@JBurton> but actually, IIRC it's a patent on a particular way to
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[10:18:32] <@JBurton> ton>	to do that
[10:18:36] <@JBurton> mmu_man eheh
[10:18:44] <@JBurton> well there is some great code in there anyway
[10:18:44] <@mmu_man> w8
[10:18:45] <@mmu_man> we do
[10:18:49] <matricks> JBurton sounds stupid either way
[10:18:54] <@mmu_man> no wonder there are bugs in zeta then =)
[10:19:00] <@JBurton> software patents are stupid
[10:19:02] <@JBurton> mmu_man ehehe
[10:19:06] <@Korli> coffee
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[10:19:29] <@Korli> mmu_man yeah i'm busy too
[10:19:41] <matricks> yeah.. SWPATs are back to square #1 here in europe
[10:19:48] <@JBurton> Korli now arrow keys work, I bet
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[10:20:01] <matricks> shh.. he came
[10:20:34] <@JBurton> lol
[10:21:52] <@Korli> JBurton yeah axeld finds out an interesting thing on how i did it
[10:22:00] <@Korli> seems i should do a findString
[10:22:08] <@JBurton> why ?
[10:22:17] <@JBurton> can you point me to the code ?
[10:22:18] <@JBurton> Korli
[10:23:19] <@mmu_man> matricks not yet
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[10:23:29] <@Korli> JBurton in consoled.cpp
[10:23:45] <matricks> mmu_man: ?
[10:23:54] <@mmu_man> it's still not sure
[10:24:00] <matricks> oh
[10:24:01] <matricks> bum
[10:24:06] <@mmu_man> the parliament voted for a new 1st read
[10:24:10] <dipp> :]
[10:24:12] <@mmu_man> but the council doesn't agree
[10:24:21] <@mmu_man> and doesn't let it
[10:24:26] <@mmu_man> even if they aren't allowed to
[10:25:55] <matricks> gah
[10:26:13] * matricks mumbles something about switching job
[10:26:42] <dipp> matricks, why ? :)
[10:27:00] <matricks> dipp: damn patents
[10:27:06] <@mmu_man> hmm yeah I did CS studies, that wasn't to become a lawyer and spend 3/4 of the time searching for prior art
[10:27:42] <dipp> matricks, heh ok :)
[10:28:20] <@mmu_man> Korli BG is on the first WE of april IIRC
[10:31:52] <@mmu_man> hmm is there any way to avoid pasting the passwords to cvs each time ?
[10:32:16] <@mmu_man> I have a pass command that cats teh password file for the dev terminal I'm in, but it's boring
[10:32:29] <@mmu_man> .cvspass won't work with ssh I think
[10:34:55] <@mmu_man> hmm I really need to finish that AF_UNIX stuff so I canuse ssh-agent
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[10:41:47] <@Korli> mmu_man : http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=761&group_id=1
[10:43:11] <@mmu_man> I know there is a way to put the pub key on the server but it needs sftp or scp
[10:43:21] <@mmu_man> thx
[10:43:56] <sys2> matricks, patents 4tehwin! .. lets the small guys grow and makes the big guys go under...
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[10:45:06] <matricks> sys2: to bad that the small guys don't have the money to use patents
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[10:45:38] <sys2> what do you think i wanted said with that line?: P
[10:45:46] <matricks> irony
[10:46:13] * sys2 thinks of trying to patent to send characters over the net
[10:47:03] <sys2> and have it free for all that is small and the big guys will have a fee of 500000000$/month to use it
[10:47:17] <matricks> ok. then I will patent for sending bits over the internet
[10:47:21] <matricks> no
[10:47:30] <matricks> over a wire
[10:47:33] <matricks> no.
[10:47:34] <sys2> hehe :>
[10:47:41] <matricks> I will patent sending stuff
[10:48:04] <dipp> :]
[10:48:25] <sys2> matricks, and you know ... mine would be to protect the small guys .. not to earn money.. or that also but all small companies will have it free, the medium ones, kinda cheap and the big ones would have to go under to pay the fee :P
[10:48:30] <matricks> There is a board game called Patent #1.. where the goal is to invent a time machine and travel back to when the US Patent office and file a patent for the time machine.. Patent #1 :)
[10:48:31] <dipp> you do that, so I can patent recieving stuff
[10:48:54] <dipp> haha
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[10:52:12] <sys2> wrong chan:P
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[11:17:01] <CIA-3> mmu_man * current/src/apps/bin/coreutils-5.0/src/ls.c: we don't use major/minor, but that's not a reason to change the display. device sizes as reported by stat() are always 0 anyway.
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[11:37:31] <@JBurton> Korli just found the time to look at this: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/open-beos/current/src/kernel/apps/consoled/consoled.cpp?r1=1.3&r2=1.4
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[11:38:03] <@JBurton> Axel wanted you to use FindString() instead of FindData(), Korli ?
[11:39:58] <CIA-3> mmu_man * current/src/apps/bin/coreutils-5.0/src/ls.c: don't mangle UTF-8 chars for __BEOS__, from the GG patch
[11:41:17] <@Korli> i>	i think so, maybe or add a length-- before the write to the fd (there is a terminating null character in the data)
[11:43:08] <@JBurton> ok, I see
[11:45:11] <@Korli> JBurton c++ objects must init their attributes, i just discovered this
[11:45:42] <@JBurton> Korli what do you mean ? Example ?
[11:47:07] <@Korli> in Keymap.cpp fChars isn't inited to NULL, and in Haiku it crashs
[11:48:19] <@JBurton> Korli ah, well, it's normal, I think :P
[11:48:30] <@JBurton> you should always initialize member variables :P
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[11:50:16] <@Korli> everyone who builds Haiku input_server used this tool on BeOS
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[11:51:03] <@Korli> so, even if i agree on the bug, there is a good probability we aren't compatible with some BeOS apps
[11:51:16] <@Korli> do you see my point ?
[11:53:55] <@JBurton> Korli well, yes
[11:54:11] <@JBurton> Korli though, it could just be a compiler issue
[11:54:24] <@JBurton> I mean, try different optimizations flags
[11:54:40] <@Korli> JBurton it's the same binary
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[11:55:01] <@JBurton> ah
[11:55:20] <@JBurton> so it's our init sequence
[11:55:26] <@JBurton> I mean
[11:55:34] <@JBurton> our elf loader
[11:55:37] <@JBurton> or something like that
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[12:15:24] <@JBurton> Korli actually we use a different binary loading method than beos
[12:15:27] <@JBurton> (IIRC)
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[12:31:18] <@JBurton> bbl lunch
[12:39:27] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/ (nv_acc_dma.c nv_dac2.c nv_general.c nv_info.c): (log message trimmed)
[12:39:28] <CIA-3> added some comments about NV40 architecture. We have several new unknown factors:
[12:39:28] <CIA-3> -3>	- DAC2 always detects a analog screen connected;
[12:39:28] <CIA-3> -3>	- it seems like there are at least two new registers we don't know about. One
[12:39:28] <CIA-3> extra switch to place output on connectors, and one (extra) switch for
[12:39:30] <CIA-3> pixelclock PLL to CRTC connections (one PLL drives both CRTC's in some cases,
[12:39:31] <CIA-3> pre-programmed by the card BIOS determined on the screen configuration found at
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[12:53:44] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/ (README.html driver.c): (log message trimmed)
[12:53:44] <CIA-3> -added the NV40 arch screen connections limitations to the doc;
[12:53:44] <CIA-3> -added a fixme comment in the kerneldriver: it seems we must try to map
[12:53:44] <CIA-3> cardBIOSes to memory ourselves if possible after all (should be PCI config
[12:53:44] <CIA-3> manager work I'd say): encountered two systems now that don't have that done (by
[12:53:45] <CIA-3> BIOS I guess). A old PCI-only system (Pentium200), and a brand new PCIe system:
[12:53:47] <CIA-3> Both PCI and PCIe cardBIOSes don't get mapped here which prevents us from using
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[13:18:31] <matricks> rudolfc seams to do great progress with the nv driver..
[13:34:59] <@Korli> re
[13:37:34] <@JBurton> yeah
[13:37:34] <@JBurton> re
[13:39:12] <matricks> fucking re
[13:39:23] <@mmu_man> gcc  -g -O2   -o mv  mv.o copy.o cp-hash.o remove.o ../lib/libfetish.a  ../lib/libfetish.a
[13:39:28] <@mmu_man> lol libfetish
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[13:40:20] <matricks> mmu_man: what is that? a porn image library? :)
[13:40:27] <@mmu_man> coreutils
[13:50:06] <@JBurton> same :P
[13:50:57] <@mmu_man> (hard)coreutils :)
[13:52:25] <@JBurton> lol
[13:57:43] <@Korli> printf("found version : %s\n", buffer + regs.start[1]);
[13:57:43] <@Korli> sscanf(buffer + regs.start[1], "%ld", &fKeys.version);
[13:57:43] <@Korli> printf("found version number : %ld\n", fKeys.version);
[13:57:58] <@Korli> output : found version : 3
[13:58:04] <@Korli> found version number : 42
[13:58:18] <@Korli> help !
[14:05:10] <@JBurton> I guess should be the same value, right ? :P
[14:05:19] <@Korli> right
[14:05:31] <@Korli> sscanf implementation must be dumb
[14:05:36] <@JBurton> could be
[14:05:55] <@JBurton> did you try a simpler test ?
[14:06:09] <@Korli> not yet
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[14:32:54] <@JBurton> Korli I love the glibc
[14:33:04] <@JBurton> the code is SO clean and easy to track down
[14:33:10] <@JBurton> </sarcasm>
[14:34:32] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/ (nv_crtc.c nv_crtc2.c nv_info.c): added preliminary DPMS support for all panels (still in test)
[14:37:54] <CIA-3> mmu_man * current/src/apps/bin/coreutils-5.0/src/ls.c: undo showing major/minor (hmm that's a very bad idea...)
[14:41:00] <@JBurton> mmu_man where would they be showed ?
[14:41:36] <@mmu_man> they wouldn't
[14:41:52] <@mmu_man> they are always 0 anyway, but Be left them in
[14:42:05] <@mmu_man> and there is no reason to show a size which is null as well
[14:43:36] <CIA-3> korli * current/src/apps/bin/keymap/ (Keymap.h Keymap.cpp): added a default constructor to init attributes
[14:43:52] <@JBurton> ah, ok I see mmu_manm
[14:45:36] <@Korli> mmu_man your undo isn't one because it was commented before
[14:47:25] <@mmu_man> Korli yeah well that's cleaner
[14:48:13] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_info.c: fixed PLL locking trouble on NV36 (confirmed) and problably more cards (NV31, NV40 and higher): those with extended PLL's.
[14:58:25] <@Korli> mmu_man yeah
[15:00:06] <@Korli> JBurton sscanf isn't working :p
[15:02:47] <@JBurton> oh, great :P
[15:03:11] <@JBurton> and now, try to track down the bug within the millions of lines of code of glibc :P
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[15:11:21] <@JBurton> brb
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[15:14:25] <CIA-3> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/ChannelSlider.cpp: Now the slider correctly moves on mousedown/mousemoved. Note that currently it works only if the BWindow was created with the B_ASYNCHRONOUS_CONTROLS flag. Fixed drawing of the thumb when pressed.
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[16:14:05] <MikeW> hmm, vnc apps for beos
[16:14:32] <MikeW> I wonder though, is there any that will let me connect INTO beos from another machine rather than the other way around?
[16:16:23] <@JBurton> isn't there a vncserver ?
[16:16:28] <@mmu_man> 3 of them :)
[16:16:33] <@mmu_man> use the latest on bebits
[16:16:42] <@mmu_man> seen phoudoin recently ?
[16:16:52] <@mmu_man> hmm 2weeks from nickserv
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[16:22:55] <MikeW> JBurton: purrfect. Just wondering because my gfx cards arrived for my be machine today (not the rest of the stuff) and I just remembered I forgot to buy a monitor for it too
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[16:30:45] <@JBurton> Korli so sscanf() is really broken ?
[16:33:15] <@JBurton> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/open-beos/current/src/kernel/libroot/posix/glibc/stdio-common/vfscanf.c?r1=1.1&r2=1.2
[16:33:20] <@JBurton> this could be the culprit
[16:34:32] <@JBurton> log: "Hacks to let it compile. Disabled wide character stuff *and* all number
[16:34:33] <@JBurton> conversions since they rely on private glibc functions.
[16:34:34] <@JBurton> "
[16:34:44] <@JBurton> Korli
[16:37:25] <@JBurton> mmu_man what do you think ? you are the posix guy after all :P
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[16:39:57] <@JBurton> hey Dr_Evil
[16:40:28] <@Dr_Evil> hello JBurton
[16:45:16] <@Korli> JBurton seems you're right :)
[16:45:33] <@JBurton> Korli O_o weird :P
[16:45:52] <@Korli> i>	i thought only float operations were deactivated
[16:45:57] <@mmu_man> EBUSY
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[16:46:16] <@JBurton> mmu_man eheh
[16:46:38] <@Korli> while (mmu_man == EBUSY) do retry;
[16:46:42] <@JBurton> lol
[16:46:58] <@JBurton> I would add a "sleep(10)" in the loop, though
[16:46:59] <@JBurton> :P
[16:47:14] <@Korli> yeah i was thinking to it :)
[16:47:33] <@mmu_man> SIGCPU
[16:47:43] <@mmu_man> exhausted cpu quota
[16:47:53] <@JBurton> ahahah
[16:48:43] <@Korli> mmu_man->install_int_ handler(posix)
[16:49:29] <@Korli> hmm mmu_man doesn't drive so it doesn't fit
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[17:05:02] <bjx0> Howcome I can't download Kaiku?
[17:05:06] <bjx0> *Haiku
[17:05:11] <bjx0> I can't find the download.
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[17:05:18] <matricks> bjx0: there is no iso
[17:05:21] <@JBurton> hmmm wasn't bernd the CVO ?
[17:05:23] <bjx0> Oh?
[17:05:26] <@JBurton> mmu_man ?
[17:05:31] <bjx0> Then how do I get it matricks?
[17:05:35] <matricks> bjx0: you can download parts of it
[17:05:40] <bjx0> :(
[17:05:41] <@mmu_man> EAGAIN
[17:05:52] <matricks> bjx0: it's not finished
[17:05:54] <bjx0> BeOS 5 is getting old, and zeta is illegal and kind of shitty
[17:06:00] <@JBurton> mmu_man ?
[17:06:02] <bjx0> When will it be released?
[17:06:18] <matricks> bjx0: When It's Done!(tm)
[17:06:22] <@mmu_man> ?
[17:06:34] <@mmu_man> JBurton yes
[17:06:45] <kr1stof> mmu_man: It's time to get the trout ready. ;-)
[17:06:47] <@JBurton> okay, so why "Letter from the yellowTAB's CEO, Bernd Korz" ?
[17:06:51] <matricks> bjx0: as I said.. you can already use parts of it
[17:06:57] <@JBurton> I'm a bit confused :P
[17:07:00] <@mmu_man> well he's both currently
[17:07:02] <@mmu_man> gtg
[17:07:02] <bjx0> Like what matricks?
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[17:07:11] <matricks> bjx0: the filesystem
[17:07:17] <bjx0> :|
[17:07:24] <matricks> there are more parts but I can't remember them right now
[17:07:29] <matricks> the other guys can
[17:07:29] <bjx0> Oh, ok
[17:07:31] <bjx0> Thanks
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[17:08:00] <@JBurton> matricks like... the os ? :P
[17:08:06] <dipp> pfft
[17:08:09] <matricks> the kernel is bootable and controllable thru a shell.. you can run smaller applications thru it
[17:08:11] <@JBurton> actually you can boot the os now
[17:08:13] <dipp> what about the media_server? :)
[17:08:16] <@JBurton> eheh
[17:08:20] <dipp> :P
[17:08:30] <@JBurton> you can run the input server :P
[17:08:37] <dipp> heh
[17:08:41] <matricks> JBurton: network?
[17:08:48] <@JBurton> not tried
[17:08:57] <@JBurton> it takes ages on bochs
[17:09:01] <@JBurton> so I didnt' test it much
[17:09:28] <matricks> isn't qemu fasteR?
[17:09:36] <@JBurton> I don't have it, though :P
[17:09:37] <@JBurton> yes
[17:09:41] <bjx0> I'll stick with BeOS then
[17:10:02] <matricks> bjx0: Many use BeOS with Haiku parts
[17:10:26] <bjx0> Oh.
[17:10:58] <matricks> you replace the BeFS driver with Haikus driver for it
[17:11:11] <bjx0> Oh ,ok
[17:11:17] <bjx0> I shall try that one day
[17:11:18] <bjx0> lol
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[17:20:08] <@Dr_Evil> CEO and CVO explained http://searchcio.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid19_gci349390,00.html
[17:20:45] <@JBurton> Korli are you trying to get sscanf working ?
[17:21:12] <@JBurton> Dr_Evil yeah, I think I already read that. I was just confused, as I thought Bernd was just the CVO, while the CEO was voidref
[17:21:48] <@voidref> noi, I am but a lowly CTO/Architect/code-slave
[17:22:04] <@JBurton> ah CTO
[17:22:11] <@JBurton> well I thought the CEO was someone else
[17:22:13] <@JBurton> :P
[17:22:46] <@AndrewBachmann> hmm a lot of people here
[17:22:54] <@JBurton> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6288
[17:23:12] <@JBurton> reading there, I understand CEO and CVO are two different people
[17:23:48] <@Dr_Evil> they don't have to be
[17:24:10] <@Dr_Evil> or, the other way round, you can also have only a CEO and no CVO
[17:24:18] <@JBurton> no, but osnews says: Following today's TV presentation, IsComputerOn published the video (99 MB) of yellowTab's CEO and CVO presenting Zeta (in German).
[17:24:28] <@Dr_Evil> but Bernd already was CVO and the CEO disappeared, so he now is both
[17:24:32] <@JBurton> ah ok
[17:24:35] <@JBurton> now I see
[17:24:41] <@JBurton> now I am less confused
[17:24:45] <@voidref> AndrewBachmann, did Ithamar ever get back to you about the driver?
[17:24:55] <@AndrewBachmann> no
[17:25:48] <@voidref> sorry about that.
[17:26:10] <@AndrewBachmann> well, after monday it won't matter anyway, but I thought it would be nice to test it
[17:26:26] <@AndrewBachmann> my girlfriend will be taking the laptop back
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[17:26:47] <@AndrewBachmann> anyway I decided that if I get a laptop for myself I'm going to get ATI since I tried to install a game on hers and it bailed (no T&L)
[17:30:24] <@voidref> ah, what machine was it? I thought you bought a sony for China
[17:30:40] <@AndrewBachmann> no, we got a gateway 3520
[17:31:01] <@AndrewBachmann> nice machine actually, 1280x768 widescreen display and 1.6 centrino
[17:31:06] <@AndrewBachmann> 512 mb ram
[17:31:18] <@AndrewBachmann> beos runs okay in vesa
[17:31:38] <@AndrewBachmann> I was planning to try the 2200 wireless driver
[17:33:36] <@JBurton> Korli heh, lol, so sscanf always put "42" into the buffer :P
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[17:45:25] <@voidref> idref>	i have not had any luck at all with philipe's 2200 driver
[17:45:30] <@voidref> it's KDLs the machine
[17:45:45] <@JBurton> Korli around ?
[17:46:39] <@JBurton> looks like we're missing some parts of glibc
[17:46:43] <@JBurton> __strtol_internal isn't defined anywhere
[17:46:52] <@JBurton> Korli
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[17:50:44] <@JBurton> anyway, bye all
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[17:51:55] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/ (nv_crtc.c nv_crtc2.c): shutdown panel DPMS for laptops: I don't like the looks of that!. Confirmed DPMS working OK for all DVI panels though.
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[17:57:31] <CIA-3> korli * current/src/kernel/libroot/posix/glibc/stdio-common/vfscanf.c: fixes sscanf for decimal values, enables keymap to actually load source keymaps
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[18:03:46] <@AndrewBachmann> voidref you don't have a more recent version of that driver at hand do you?
[18:04:22] <@voidref> no, I don't.
[18:04:42] <@voidref> lemme dchk
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[18:05:59] <@voidref> looks like ther may be a later version in the repos, lemme see if it builds.
[18:06:51] <@voidref> AndrewBachmann, you want a dcc?
[18:07:55] <@AndrewBachmann> thanks, I don't need an accelerant?
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[18:08:13] <@Dr_Evil> AndrewBachmann I think you need one, always
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[18:14:35] <DCUno> 'lo
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[18:20:01] <@AndrewBachmann> voidref did you give me an accelerant before?
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[18:20:32] <@voidref> nope, still done have one here.
[18:20:41] <@AndrewBachmann> ah ok
[18:20:53] <@voidref> right, so the driver isn't going to do much good =(
[18:21:16] <@AndrewBachmann> gotcha
[18:22:28] <@Dr_Evil> still the Intel Brookdale-G graphics?
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[18:24:12] <@AndrewBachmann> intel extreme graphics! :-P
[18:24:35] <@Dr_Evil> I have some pdfs, if you had enough time you could write your own driver ;=)
[18:24:48] <@AndrewBachmann> somehow again I only have a few days :-)
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[18:49:09] <@AndrewBachmann> I wonder how fast I could write my own accelerant
[18:49:27] <@AndrewBachmann> and if I could use one of our drivers as a base
[18:52:02] <tqh> using 'our' as 'own' is not compatible :P
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[18:52:26] <tic> hey mmu_man
[18:53:45] <@mmu_man> re
[18:54:31] <tic> 'up?
[18:55:02] <@mmu_man> back from shopping food
[18:55:07] <tic> mm, foood.
[18:55:10] <@mmu_man> money -= 60E;
[18:55:18] <tic> cheese, yoghurt & red wine? ;)
[18:55:26] <@mmu_man> lol
[18:55:34] <@mmu_man> I don't drink much
[18:55:54] <tic> me neither. but you are french, so you should prefer red wine if you do drink.
[18:55:58] <tic> and to that, you eat cheese
[18:56:10] <tic> yoghurt for breakfast.  with baguettes.
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[18:58:58] <@mmu_man> actually I prefer http://www.jaillance.com/ Clairette
[18:59:10] <@mmu_man> but that's not for everyday =)
[18:59:24] <tic> ah.
[19:02:10] * tqh is reading Best of Verity Stob
[19:08:29] <@AndrewBachmann> I love french breakfast :-)
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[19:13:38] <@mmu_man> so do I
[19:13:45] <@mmu_man> tried the german one... no way
[19:15:22] <@Dr_Evil> what do you call german breakfast?
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[19:16:54] <@AndrewBachmann> dunno but should include sausage I figure
[19:16:56] <@AndrewBachmann> :-)
[19:17:11] <@mmu_man> anything that includes salted things, specially saussaages
[19:17:46] <MikeW> reconstutated meat
[19:17:50] <@mmu_man> at least the english one is finer, eggs & bacon
[19:18:42] <@mmu_man> MikeW that sausage they lay on bread
[19:18:47] <@mmu_man> ugh
[19:19:01] <@AndrewBachmann> braunschwager? (sp)
[19:19:26] <MikeW> mmu_man: ah, american hotdogs?
[19:19:47] <MikeW> I've NEVER eaten a hotdog in my life, and I never intend to either
[19:20:16] <@mmu_man> no
[19:20:31] <MikeW> I don't eat sausages you buy in packs either, because a neighbour of mine worked in a factory where they made black pudding and sausages, and he was put off them because he seen how they made them
[19:20:45] <@mmu_man> sausage you can use like nutella
[19:20:57] <MikeW> :O
[19:21:06] <@AndrewBachmann> sounds like braunschwager to me
[19:21:19] <MikeW> how very...german
[19:21:44] <MikeW> spreadable meat, ugh
[19:21:51] <@mmu_man> yeah
[19:22:20] <@mmu_man> anyone knows the license for Sanity ? the bebits page says MIT, but it wasn't published by Philippe
[19:22:28] <@mmu_man> he doesn't seem to be here atm to answer mails
[19:24:18] <@AndrewBachmann> http://www.lavamind.com/food1.html search for braunschwager
[19:25:02] <@mmu_man> lol nice site
[19:25:42] <@AndrewBachmann> http://www.gdh-imports.com/acatalog/Schaller_Weber_Liverwursts.html
[19:25:59] <@AndrewBachmann> my family used to eat that on crackers
[19:26:34] <tic> yum, sausage..
[19:26:44] <tic> eek, liver. :|
[19:26:55] <tic> I want bigos and krakowska!
[19:27:41] <@mmu_man> arf
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[19:28:39] <@Dr_Evil> ohh great, Bloodwurst
[19:29:40] <tic> blodkorv?
[19:29:46] <tic> blood pudding is yummie
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[19:31:43] <fyysik> seen DaaT
[19:31:48] <@mmu_man> you vampires
[19:31:58] <fyysik> seen frankputers
[19:32:32] <@mmu_man> ==frankps ?
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[19:33:21] * Dr_Evil is hungry now
[19:33:27] * mmu_man dinenr
[19:33:31] * mmu_man dinner
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[19:50:08] <michaelvo> ohai!
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[19:59:34] <w-ber> http://www.murphys-laws.com/murphy/murphy-computer.html
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[20:04:49] <@AndrewBachmann> bga I just changed my email address for the haiku list can you please approve my new subscription if necessary?
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[21:24:22] <Jamie> Hi
[21:24:47] <NathanW> hi Jamie
[21:24:59] <dr_Evil_> hi Jamie
[21:25:15] <Jamie> Geezeitsbusy in here
[21:25:30] <NathanW> heh
[21:25:47] <Jamie> mmuman r u here ?
[21:26:13] <jonaskirilla> you probably need that underscore to make him go beep
[21:30:55] <@AndrewBachmann> dr_Evil_ you want to send those pdf to me? (dcc)
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[21:31:12] <NathanW> AndrewBachmann: What driver is this?
[21:31:29] <@AndrewBachmann> intel 855
[21:31:33] <@AndrewBachmann> graphics
[21:31:47] <NathanW> nice!
[21:31:56] <NathanW> myob was writing one at one point
[21:32:13] <NathanW> but it seems to have stalled
[21:35:04] <@AndrewBachmann> thanks
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[21:37:35] <quittt> how is the development of Haiku???
[21:37:37] <@AndrewBachmann> gone to lunch bbl
[21:37:46] <@AndrewBachmann> it's over quittt, everybody just quit this morning
[21:37:56] <quittt> AndrewBachmann, great =D!
[21:38:00] <jonaskirilla> lol
[21:38:00] <quittt> where can I download it
[21:38:02] <quittt> ?
[21:38:09] <jonaskirilla> quittt: from cvs
[21:38:15] <dr_Evil_> MPlayer-20050217.tar.bz2.tar ?? tar.bz2.tar? whats that?
[21:38:17] <@AndrewBachmann> no, it's over, there will be no more
[21:38:25] <@AndrewBachmann> everybody gave up
[21:38:27] <@AndrewBachmann> ttyl
[21:38:31] <quittt> AndrewBachmann, I now you are joking =P
[21:38:37] <quittt> *know
[21:39:17] <dr_Evil_> IE adds the last .tar, don't know why
[21:39:28] <jonaskirilla> You've got to work for your meal!
[21:39:29] <dr_Evil_> grrr, Firefox does, not IE
[21:39:32] <jonaskirilla> (resident evil)
[21:39:57] <jonaskirilla> or was it, "You'll have to.." ? .. hmm
[21:40:31] <quittt> which stage is Haiku?
[21:40:47] <jonaskirilla> quittt: different parts are in very different stages
[21:41:08] <quittt> jonaskirilla, which one is stable and usable?
[21:41:10] <jonaskirilla> quittt: let me get some links for you
[21:41:23] <NathanW> hrrrm
[21:41:30] <NathanW> it would be nice if we had a nw eepro100 driver
[21:41:55] <dr_Evil_> bah, we have eepro1000, isn't that enough?
[21:42:01] <jonaskirilla> quittt: basically, some parts can act as drop-in replacements for parts of BeOS.. those parts are generally the ones most complete.
[21:42:13] <NathanW> haha
[21:42:25] <quittt> BeOS is pretty old now
[21:42:28] <quittt> 5 years...
[21:42:42] <quittt> Haiku will save it =P
[21:42:47] <jonaskirilla> quittt: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=9717&limit=no#335488
[21:43:32] <jonaskirilla> look expecially at the Build factory:  http://209.15.19.223/haiku/factory/
[21:43:34] <quittt> cool!
[21:43:45] <jonaskirilla> quittt: do you have BeOS installed?
[21:43:50] <quittt> jonaskirilla, of course
[21:43:55] <quittt> I use it for 3 years
[21:44:05] <quittt> at the moment I am at Debian
[21:44:10] <quittt> but I boot it somethimes
[21:44:23] <jonaskirilla> cool, then you can get the source, the dev tools, build it youself, use the makehdimage script, and see for yourself
[21:44:42] <quittt> well
[21:44:47] <quittt> I will be able to run all apps?
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[21:45:01] <dr_Evil_> I have AVI files with the bug "FF_BUG_XVID_ILACE", and I would like to write a tool that fixes the files, however, the only place in ffmpeg where this is handled is:
[21:45:06] <dr_Evil_> if((!s->progressive_sequence) && (cbp || (s->workaround_bugs&FF_BUG_XVID_ILACE)))            s->interlaced_dct= get_bits1(&s->gb);
[21:45:11] <quittt> MediaPlayer sux....
[21:45:20] <dr_Evil_> so it seems there is a bit that needs to be removed
[21:45:22] <quittt> is there a free one jonaskirilla ?
[21:45:31] <jonaskirilla> quittt: Haiku only boots to a CLI at the moment
[21:45:36] <quittt> because MediaPlayer has no syncrony
[21:45:44] <jonaskirilla> quittt: don't expect it to be "BeOS" just yet
[21:45:58] <jonaskirilla> quittt: just use VLC for now
[21:45:58] <quittt> when we are going to have Haiku complete OS?
[21:46:07] <jonaskirilla> quittt: when it's ready
[21:46:23] <quittt> is it going to take 8 years?
[21:46:33] <jonaskirilla> quittt: like I said, you will have to work for you meal.. don't expect to get it served
[21:46:53] <quittt> I dont know how to develop
[21:46:55] <@geist> quittt: dont be a jerk
[21:47:05] <quittt> jonaskirilla, maybe next year I will be able to develop
[21:47:10] <dr_Evil_> qitt is always a jerk
[21:47:17] <quittt> I dont now progamming right now
[21:47:32] <jonaskirilla> quittt: maybe in 2005, I don't know.. it depends on how the core devs feel.. if they are motivated to continue
[21:47:55] <quittt> dr_Evil_, respect plz
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[21:48:07] <quittt> jonaskirilla, cool!!
[21:48:08] <jonaskirilla> so far quittt hasn't been a jerk, (I think), perhaps expecting a little too much
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[21:48:22] <quittt> jonaskirilla, I always like BeOS...
[21:48:33] <@geist> I guess. I just hear the same thing over and over again. I'll write it off as english not primary language
[21:49:27] <quittt> jonaskirilla, BeOS is a complete system... it is very cool! But is anyone making hardware opengl for it?
[21:49:38] <quittt> using MESA for example
[21:50:23] <jonaskirilla> I don't know.. I think there was some little hint that it might be possible some month(s) ago.. not sure.. Nobody's working on OpenGL for Haiku yet, AFAIK.
[21:50:30] <jonaskirilla> but I don't know everything
[21:50:39] <quittt> jonaskirilla, well...
[21:50:44] <NathanW> mmu_man was, I think'
[21:50:52] <NathanW> oh, and Rudolf was on the nVidia cards
[21:50:58] <quittt> NathanW, yes...
[21:51:03] <quittt> NathanW, he is making a good work
[21:51:04] <jonaskirilla> quittt: it's a lot of work done by a lot of very skilled people in their spare time
[21:51:26] <jonaskirilla> askirilla>	a small group of very skilled people, I should say
[21:51:28] <quittt> NathanW, but using his driver MediaPlayer doesnt have sound syncrony with video
[21:51:51] <NathanW> that's a problem with mediaplayer
[21:51:53] <NathanW> use VLC
[21:52:37] <quittt> NathanW, we need a replacment of old outdated apps
[21:52:47] <quittt> like Gobe
[21:52:55] <jonaskirilla> quittt: everybody's busy working on Haiku
[21:53:11] <quittt> jonaskirilla, hehe... make the OS
[21:53:14] <quittt> after make the apps
[21:53:15] <quittt> hehe
[21:53:37] <jonaskirilla> I'm sure everybody's working as fast as they can.
[21:53:44] <quittt> I know
[21:53:49] <quittt> BeFS is great
[21:54:38] <quittt> jonaskirilla, when Haiku release you are going to make the NOISE that BeOS didnt make =D
[21:54:55] <jonaskirilla> quittt: how do you mean?
[21:56:43] <quittt> I mean that BeOS was and is the future OS. Didnt work as a paid OS so it will be free for everyone
[21:56:46] <quittt> not free beer =D
[21:59:19] <@Dr_Evil> <META HTTP-EQUIV="refresh" content="5; URL=http://ovh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/ffdshow/ffdshow-20041012-sse2.exe">
[21:59:19] <@Dr_Evil> <TITLE>Downloading File: /ffdshow/ffdshow-20041012-sse2.exe</TITLE>
[21:59:47] <@Dr_Evil> 59:47 <@Dr_Evil>	5 seconds! that the delay on sourceforge for "automatic" downloading of files
[22:00:08] <@Dr_Evil> this delay is much longer than I takes to download most of the files they host
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[22:01:34] <MikeW> but you download 1kb files Dr_Evil
[22:01:51] <@Dr_Evil> I donwload 200k in 1 second
[22:02:17] <@Dr_Evil> btw, don't install that thing, I just broke my windows media player with that
[22:06:42] <@Dr_Evil> hmm, this is windows, perhaps a restart does fix it
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[22:09:24] <quittt> do you use Zeta to make Haiku?
[22:11:02] <jonaskirilla> quittt: no
[22:11:55] <jonaskirilla> it should be possible to compile Haiku on Zeta, but I've never tried
[22:16:04] <@BGA> jonaskirilla: It is. I use Zeta (for obvious reasons). :)
[22:16:20] <quittt> BGA, is it great for desktop use?
[22:16:32] <NathanW> hi BGA
[22:16:37] <MikeW> BGA: YT have hired a kernel developer?
[22:16:42] <@BGA> NathanW!
[22:16:51] <@BGA> MikeW: Yes. And a *VERY GOOD* one. :)
[22:17:01] <MikeW> BGA: ex-BE good?
[22:17:15] <@BGA> Unfortunatelly I am not sure I can tell who he is, but I would think you would be pretty surprised. :)
[22:17:25] <MikeW> BGA: or perhaps travis or axel?
[22:17:41] <MikeW> id be surprised if it was robert sleezy
[22:17:53] <MikeW> :P
[22:18:19] <MikeW> wow, you seem pretty excited about it yourself. *holds on and wonders what to expect at cebit*
[22:18:23] <@BGA> Ehehehehehehehehe... Wait and see. :)
[22:18:48] * DaaT seconds BGA
[22:18:57] <jonaskirilla> his name is John Doe... and he solves a lot of problems while sleeping..
[22:18:59] <@BGA> In any case, I have been playing in kernel land too. :) Even fixed some pesky BFS bugs (as you can see on our bug database).
[22:19:10] <MikeW> kernel developers are fine, but I always thought that YT didn't actually have a LICENCE to use the kernel source
[22:19:55] <@BGA> MikeW: As would someone who know stoo much say: "No comments"
[22:19:55] <@BGA> :)
[22:20:04] <MikeW> just like your boss :P
[22:20:24] <@BGA> MikeW: In any case, based on what exactly you say that? :)
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[22:20:53] <jonaskirilla> I wish I didn't have mixed feelings on YT.
[22:21:06] <MikeW> based on people who tried to corner him at begistert
[22:21:30] <@Dr_Evil> grr, ffmpeg direct show filters for windows do crash, only uninstalling helped
[22:22:13] <jonaskirilla> 35 full time employees, that's a lot of money.. which YT gets from... Japan?
[22:24:15] <MikeW> id like to play around with it sometime, but the price is comparable to windows xp home edition
[22:24:21] <MikeW> way too much
[22:25:16] <@mmu_man> Dr_Evil ah, nice to see it's not limited to ffdecoders =)
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[22:26:57] <dipp> hmm so when can we know who was hired at YT? :)
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[22:27:40] <@BGA> dipp: Well, buy Zeta and look at the About box. :) Maybe you will have a clue. ;)
[22:28:06] <dipp> pfft
[22:28:14] <dipp> I wish I had the cash :)
[22:28:19] <dipp> and hardware
[22:28:35] <@BGA> :)
[22:29:02] <jonaskirilla> I wonder how cost-effective buying Zeta is as a means to supporting Haiku development
[22:29:21] <jonaskirilla> in percent
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[22:30:43] <@BGA> jonaskirilla: Well, ate least me and mmu_man are working for yT and involved with Haiku.
[22:30:49] <AnEvilYak> <-
[22:31:01] <@BGA> I did a Japanese OpenBFS presentation that was paid for by Yt.
[22:31:02] <AnEvilYak> BGA: let's not forget your basement
[22:31:06] <@BGA> Oh, yes... AnEvilYak too. :)
[22:31:08] <AnEvilYak> BGA: :p
[22:31:12] <@BGA> AnEvilYak: LOL! :)
[22:31:14] <@BGA> Sorry. :)
[22:31:17] <jonaskirilla> it's good to see that there is healthy synergy
[22:31:28] <dipp> hmm but if more people buy it...more problems arise and they have to work more for yt and less for haiku ? :)
[22:32:29] <jonaskirilla> well, let's hope we never end up like Darwin/MacOSX
[22:33:01] <@mmu_man> AnEvilYak plus there is plenty of basement is he ever to move to germany :)
[22:33:09] <agentmumu> i guess yellowtab will have to adopt haiku sometime in the future, because it looks like if don't have the kernel source
[22:33:46] <DaaT> They don't? That sucks
[22:33:51] <DaaT> how can they expect to improve it?
[22:33:58] <jonaskirilla> even with source there may be other terms of usage
[22:34:18] <@BGA> DaaT: Don't make me come over there. :P
[22:34:33] <agentmumu> DaaT: i didn't say the don't have it, i just said it looks like that
[22:35:18] <MikeW> its just a shame that no-one has ever publically stated that they ARE ALLOWED to use the be kernel source
[22:35:48] <DaaT> BGA, yes? Something you want? :)
[22:35:50] <DaaT> ahh agentmumu, ok
[22:35:51] <MikeW> BGA: how difficult would it be to support more system memory without the need for annoying limit patches?
[22:36:28] <jonaskirilla> all work and no source makes Bernd a dull boy
[22:37:24] <MikeW> poor Bernd
[22:37:31] <@BGA> MikeW: If we are allowed or not is not what defines what we can say. There are agreements in place, NDAs, etc. Even if we wanted to know that we have or have not the sources, we probably couldn't.
[22:37:44] <@BGA> This is how things work in the corporate world, if you like it or not.
[22:38:07] <@BGA> MikeW: Rewritting the VM, basically.
[22:38:23] <jonaskirilla> ah, crap, all the uncertainties.
[22:38:25] <@mmu_man> does any of you ever asked M$ proof that they can sell windows while using code from IBM ?
[22:38:27] <@Dr_Evil> ffmpeg -bug bug_xvid_ilace -acodec copy -t 5 -i 1.avi 1a.avi
[22:38:31] <agentmumu> the limit patches are assembler hacks, aren't they?
[22:38:32] <@BGA> know = say
[22:38:33] <@BGA> :)
[22:38:41] <@Dr_Evil> doesn't work, perhaps the windows ffmpeg is too old :(
[22:39:05] * mmu_man is frustrated now that he doesn't need to do ugly hacks around
[22:39:15] <jonaskirilla> This source-or-no-source is probably some weird spin to keep that itch in our minds.
[22:39:24] <@BGA> As Monty Python would say: "Always look at the bright side of life"
[22:39:25] <@BGA> :)
[22:39:29] <MikeW> mmu_man: big task. Hmm, just have to ship it with lower powered machines? Either that or FORCE you guys to write totally optimal code :o)
[22:40:21] <jonaskirilla> bbl
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[22:41:03] <@mmu_man> /ignore `query 'knows!=true'`
[22:42:09] <MikeW> mmu_man: you didn't define what knows is :P
[22:42:31] <@mmu_man> much quiter now
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[22:45:40] <agentmumu> mmu_man: well, i just expressed my impression
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[22:51:07] * mmu_man points ppl to http://www.iscomputeron.com/index/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=569
[22:51:17] * Dr_Evil tries to install cygwin gcc now
[22:51:52] <@Dr_Evil> of cause, if cifs in Zeta would work, I would try moving the files to the zeta box, and try ffmpeg there
[22:58:53] <@mmu_man> nfs ? :p
[23:00:31] <@Dr_Evil> oops, I compiled Mplayer for windows by accident
[23:03:10] <@mmu_man> lol
[23:03:20] <@mmu_man> cygwin itself is an accident anyway
[23:04:11] <@Dr_Evil> I really thought I was in the ffmpeg folder
[23:07:27] <@Dr_Evil> ffmpeg version 0.4.9-pre1, build 4743, Copyright (c) 2000-2004 Fabrice Bellard
[23:07:27] <@Dr_Evil> configuration:  --enable-gpl
[23:07:27] <@Dr_Evil> built on Feb 17 2005 23:06:55, gcc: 3.3.3 (cygwin special)
[23:07:33] <agentmumu> win 2
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[23:16:37] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man somehow it doesn't work, the output file still has the same error. Is this command line correct?
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[23:16:44] <@Dr_Evil> ffmpeg -bug bug_xvid_ilace -t 5 -i 1.avi 1a.avi
[23:18:54] <@mmu_man> dunno
[23:18:59] <@mmu_man> hmm ask on #ffmpeg ?
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[23:24:23] <@Dr_Evil> hey! mplayer works in windows :)
[23:25:26] <@Dr_Evil> and after patching the file fourcc to XVIX, which triggers the ffmpeg ilace auto detection, the playback is ok
[23:25:38] <@Dr_Evil> still I can't get ffmpeg to convert it properly
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[23:33:32] <@mmu_man> hmm ohhh
[23:33:42] <@mmu_man> that B_ORAC_1_PLATFORM constyant is wrong
[23:33:48] <@mmu_man> it's *ORIC*
[23:33:49] <@mmu_man> http://old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=180&st=1
[23:34:00] <@mmu_man> how is it that noone every saw that ?
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[23:48:05] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man perhaps noone tested beos on a ORAC-1
[23:48:49] <@mmu_man> I guess so
[23:49:06] <@mmu_man> I have an ORIC Atmos but I don't think I can get it to work with it on
[23:49:12] <@mmu_man> 48K RAM :)
[23:49:41] <@Dr_Evil> noone in ffmpeg seems to be able to help
[23:51:19] <@mmu_man> what's the err?
[23:52:05] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man just have a look into #ffmpeg
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