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[02:15:27] <CIA-3> axeld * current/makehdimage:
[02:15:27] <CIA-3> Added the vga_text module and the console driver.
[02:15:27] <CIA-3> Added rmdir.
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[02:18:09] <CIA-3> axeld * current/src/kernel/apps/init.c: Now starts consoled instead of a shell directly.
[02:18:54] <jonaskirilla> anyone able to comment on specific missing center-pieces of the Haiku puzzle?
[02:19:25] <CIA-3> axeld * current/src/kernel/apps/shell/ (args.c main.c):
[02:19:25] <CIA-3> Now only echoes the input if ECHO is defined.
[02:19:25] <CIA-3> Ignores a "--login" argument (that's what consoled does).
[02:19:46] <jonaskirilla> Is it correct to say "parts of the app_server and parts of the tty layer"?
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[02:45:58] <bryan_W> yup
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[05:27:33] <Cramit> anybody have anyexperince installing bone?
[05:30:39] <mmadia> http://web.archive.org/web/20040211070044/http://www.beosmax.org/boneIssues.htm
[05:31:21] <mmadia> does that help ?
[05:33:53] <Cramit> kinda
[05:34:04] <mmadia> what's the trouble?
[05:34:21] <Cramit> My fear is loosing network, as-per the last time I tried to install it
[05:34:33] <mmadia> what nic?
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[05:34:45] <Cramit> I have wireless working with the hfa384x
[05:34:54] <Cramit> it's an orinoco gold
[05:35:11] <Cramit> I also have a wired pcmcia card that is a ne2000 complian
[05:35:18] <Cramit> comliant*
[05:35:18] <mmadia> iirc it should work w/bone.  in fact im surprised it works with net_server, last i checked it needed bone.
[05:35:32] <Cramit> well it is fairly happy
[05:35:38] <Cramit> how about beaim?
[05:36:00] <mmadia> there's a 1.5-6 beta1 for bone
[05:36:06] <Cramit> is beaim bone complaint?
[05:36:10] <Cramit> k
[05:36:15] <Cramit> thanks
[05:36:17] <mmadia> 1.5.6-beta1.. i have it here and works well.
[05:36:38] <mmadia> though i suggest grabbing the newest imkit (from beclan.org)
[05:36:39] <Cramit> so my wireless should not break on install of bone?
[05:36:43] <Cramit> k
[05:37:16] <Cramit> I would live with netserve; but I really need ssh2
[05:37:17] <mmadia> if you've the room, zip up your current beos installation.
[05:37:29] <Cramit> k
[05:37:56] <Cramit> if I zip it up; allI need to do to restore is to uncompress it to the partition?
[05:37:57] <mmadia> this way if bone breakse something horrible, boot from a cd. delete everytihng on the partition and extract the zip to it.
[05:38:05] <Cramit> cool
[05:38:07] <mmadia> yup :)
[05:38:12] <Cramit> I will do that first
[05:38:15] <Cramit> sweet
[05:38:21] <Cramit> Thankyou greatly
[05:38:28] <Cramit> :-)
[05:38:47] <mmadia> anytime.
[05:41:03] <Cramit> YAY; I will put off bone...ssh1.26 works!!!
[05:41:27] <Cramit> I can do my comp sci homeork without rebooting into linux
[05:41:35] <Cramit> thanks for the help though
[05:41:56] <mmadia> :)
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[06:13:26] <slaad> Any MDR people up and about?
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[06:41:55] <mmadia> MDR users or devs?
[06:43:41] <slaad> Users.
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[07:36:42] <mmadia> slaad yea.  latest bebits bone build.
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[07:39:29] <slaad> The "return address" field of a mail account. What's that for?
[07:39:37] <slaad> And I presume the account name gets stuffed into the Account attribute?
[07:41:55] <mmadia> return address = the email address that shows up when someone else clicks "reply to" on your email.
[07:42:05] <mmadia> yea.
[07:46:06] <slaad> Ah... that's a pain in the ass.
[07:46:20] <mmadia> whyso?
[07:46:21] <slaad> Is there anyway to have inbound mail account X cause your reply address to be Y?
[07:46:30] <slaad> I only have one sending account, but several recv accounts.
[07:47:24] <mmadia> sure.  edit MDR's preferences,   select the *bold* name for the inbound-only account and enter your desired "return address" in the visible field.
[07:48:20] <slaad> Oh, right.
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[07:48:43] <slaad> Except I can only send from the outbound one.
[07:48:58] <slaad> Oh well, guess I'll just set them all up as in / out. But use the one server
[07:50:36] <mmadia> you can set the return address w/the account being inbound-only.
[07:51:23] <slaad> Yeah... but, see, I want a different return address depending on the account the message I'm replying to was from.
[07:52:45] <slaad> Anyhow, fixed it.
[07:52:47] <mmadia> ooh.   how you just said should work well.
[07:53:19] <slaad> It should?
[07:53:55] <mmadia> seems like it should.
[07:55:04] <slaad> One would think so. But from BeMail there's only the one account to send from if I do it that way.
[07:55:08] <mmadia> yeah, when you compose an email, you can select which account it will be sent with.
[07:55:24] <mmadia> how many out-bound acconuts do you have set up right now?
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[07:56:23] <slaad> Now I have 4.
[07:56:26] <slaad> But the way I wanted it was to have 1.
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[07:56:50] <mmadia> with a different reply-to address for each?
[07:56:59] <slaad> And all my accounts use that, but the reply-to address would depend on what account it was "from".
[07:57:00] <slaad> Yeah.
[07:57:45] <mmadia> then you will have 4 :)     mdr wont automaticallly use the reply-to address of that particular email's account.
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[07:58:42] <mmadia> wait...  in BeMail, select Edit -> preferences.      you can choos the Reply account to be a default or the "Account from mail"
[08:01:37] <slaad> Hrm, that migh twork.
[08:02:01] <slaad> Now if only I could get QueryViewer to work properly, this setup would be sweet as plum.
[08:02:40] <slaad> Is there a way to automagically include a fortune in your signature? The "Fortune" filter adds some unwanted formatting.
[08:02:48] * slaad feels like such a n00b :)
[08:03:05] <mmadia> never used it.   ask someone whose email you have that displays it :P
[08:04:10] <slaad> Git ;)
[08:05:17] <mmadia> Gastro Intestinal Tract ?
[08:05:34] <slaad> Yup!
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[09:55:31] <@JBurton> hi
[09:56:18] <Korli2> hi JBurton
[09:56:30] <Korli2> power outcut ...
[09:56:48] <@JBurton> hi Korli
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[10:59:33] <@JBurton> brb. If sergei comes, tell him to wait :P
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[12:15:25] <@JBurton> re
[12:15:54] <Korli2> private JBurton
[12:21:38] <@JBurton> Korli2 ?
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[12:28:54] <xeD> hey JBurton
[12:29:02] <@JBurton> hi xeD
[12:29:05] <xeD> how are you?
[12:29:08] <@JBurton> leaving, lunch, xeD, see ya later :P
[12:29:16] <xeD> buon appe!
[12:29:21] <@JBurton> thanks
[12:32:34] <tic> hey guys.
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[13:36:28] <@Korli> re
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[16:36:17] <CIA-3> axeld * current/src/kernel/boot/platform/bios_ia32/video.cpp: (log message trimmed)
[16:36:17] <CIA-3> Obviously, my laptop (SiS 630 based) only reports all VESA modes when there
[16:36:17] <CIA-3> was one mode change before - took me quite some time to figure this out; now
[16:36:17] <CIA-3> we just do a mode change to the standard text mode; this is probably a good
[16:36:17] <CIA-3> idea anyway to make sure we're running in the correct text mode for the boot
[16:36:18] <CIA-3> menu.
[16:36:20] <CIA-3> The error check for the VESA BIOS calls were not really correct, even if
[16:41:35] <@JBurton> even if ... ?
[16:41:37] <@JBurton> :)
[16:41:59] <@JBurton> ... even if
[16:42:00] <@JBurton> they worked. The vbe_mode_info structure is now cleared before the mode
[16:42:00] <@JBurton> info is requested (as suggested in Ralf Brown's interrupt list).
[16:42:30] <dipp> heh Ralf Browns interrupts list....what a classic :)
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[17:16:49] <@JBurton> bye all, gotta go
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[17:58:46] <CIA-3> korli * current/src/kernel/apps/consoled/ (Jamfile consoled.cpp): added support for arrows (from our Terminal impl)
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[19:12:16] <Dr3w> Hey folks.
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[19:44:17] <kakashi1> hello
[19:44:29] <kakashi1> one question: is the haiku networking kit usable?
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[19:51:56] <Methe> kakashi1 i wouldnt know
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[20:25:54] <xduffy> does anyone know how portable the haiku kernel is?
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[20:30:18] <Methe> xduffy: x86 is the main targetr by now but it's a bit developed for PPC too
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[20:32:29] <xduffy> Methe: So it's not too hard coupled with x86?
[20:33:20] <Methe> well I have no knowledge of the "inside" kernel
[20:33:24] <Methe> but axeld maintains
[20:33:27] <Methe> a PPC build
[20:33:29] <Methe> IIRC
[20:33:38] <Methe> but you should ask him
[20:33:45] <Methe> to get 100% reliable answer
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[20:34:11] <xduffy> ok, thanks
[20:36:00] <swer> NewOS should be fairly portable, but I don't know how far that translates to the Haiku kernel
[20:36:48] <xduffy> it should do it rather far, right?
[20:37:06] <xduffy> I mean how much of the Haiku specific stuff is tied to x86?
[20:37:12] <xduffy> and ppc of course
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[20:37:34] <swer> depends on the developers' discipline :)
[20:37:42] <xduffy> true :D
[20:38:02] <swer> you can write pretty messy code in C if you really want to -
[20:38:17] <xduffy> i know :)
[20:38:32] <xduffy> But I don't really think that's what axel & co have done
[20:38:40] <swer> though, with axeld keeping PPC ports, at least the endianess issues should be taken care of
[20:39:24] <Methe> PPC is donable
[20:39:30] <Methe> but is not priority
[20:39:35] <Methe> if anyone want to maintain it.
[20:39:38] <Methe> he>	he is welcome
[20:40:06] <swer> if the mini gains popularity maybe someone could be interested, I guess
[20:41:13] <swer> I have written kernel drivers before, and I know that I don't like working on kernel level
[20:41:32] <swer> I'm a spoiled kid, I want my source-level debugger and profiler
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[20:41:41] <Methe> :)
[20:41:49] <Methe> that's fine too
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[20:45:04] <Ortyx> weweee
[20:45:43] <Methe> lo Ortyx
[20:45:47] <Ortyx> did Rudolf ever persue his attempt to some hw ogl support for nvidia ?
[20:46:01] <Ortyx> oops... missed a couple of words
[20:46:03] <Ortyx> but whatever
[20:46:05] <Methe> =)
[20:46:07] <Methe> well
[20:46:09] <Methe> I dont know
[20:46:13] <Methe> ask him I guess
[20:46:16] <Methe> but you know
[20:46:21] <Methe> hg openGl
[20:46:31] <Methe> is very low priority for Haiku atm
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[20:52:32] <xduffy> Would be interesting with a port of Haiku to some other platform as well :)
[20:52:56] <Ortyx> yeah.. ofcourse it's low priority
[20:53:01] <Ortyx> I was just curious
[20:53:06] <xduffy> of course :)
[20:53:29] <Ortyx> are there any new app_server screenshots on the web somewhere ?
[20:53:57] <agentmumu> oh, damn, tonight i dreamed that i've ported haiku to ppc and now i just realized that it only was a dream
[20:54:25] <dipp> haha :)
[20:54:43] <dipp> add some sleepwalking to that and we may get some good results :)
[20:55:08] <dipp> coding while you are sleeping, can i become any better? :)
[20:55:11] <dipp> it*
[20:55:29] <agentmumu> hehe
[20:56:14] <swer> has anyone here built mozilla from the source?
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[20:56:43] <Dr_Evil> hello AndrewBachmann
[20:57:17] <agentmumu> PalmSource also intends to port the BeOS software framework and several of its most popular applications to the open source operating system
[20:57:47] <AnEvilYak> bear in mind by "BeOS Software Framework" they mean the -2 kits they were doing when they got bought up by Palm, not the R5 API
[20:57:52] <AnEvilYak> or Dano API for that matter.
[20:58:04] <AnEvilYak> very different animal.
[20:58:32] <swer> " several of its most popular applications" - there were any? ;)
[20:58:40] <AnEvilYak> I was wondering about that part too.
[20:58:54] <swer> where's that from anyway?
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[20:59:05] <dipp> agentmumu, where did you read that?
[20:59:23] <AnEvilYak> theregister I think
[20:59:25] <agentmumu> www.iscomputeron.com
[20:59:36] <tic> tracker, hrhr
[20:59:39] <swer> thanks
[20:59:43] <AnEvilYak> http://www.betanews.com/article/PalmSource_Looks_to_Smart_Phones/1108425700
[21:00:43] <tic> doesn't really say much.
[21:01:04] <swer> is betanews a good source?
[21:01:35] <swer> this is the first time that I ever heard about PalmSource having any plans about BeOS
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[21:01:54] <tic> they don't...
[21:02:02] <swer> maybe just one of their writers assumed that the new PalmOS was partially BeOS
[21:02:13] <AnEvilYak> http://www.theregister.com/2005/02/15/palmsource_linux_strategy/
[21:02:28] <tic> swer, but it is.
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[21:04:14] <swer> ok, so they're porting their PalmOS to the Linux kernel as a dev platform, that's old news. i don't think there's any BeOS to be expected from PalmSource
[21:04:24] <tic> correct.
[21:04:36] <tic> No, not as a dev platform -- as the actual platform.
[21:05:06] <tic> PalmOS Cobalt:  BeOS-2 in user space, Cobalt in kernel space.  With the move to Linux:  BeOS-2 in user-space, Linux in kernel space.
[21:05:12] <tic> development platform is Windows or Linux
[21:06:33] <swer> grrr...I still can't build bezilla :(
[21:07:04] <tqh> swer what seems to be the problem?
[21:07:34] <swer> both tarball and cvs tree try to include nsIBookmarksService.h
[21:07:37] <swer> which is nowhere to find
[21:08:54] <tqh> it should probably been made by configure
[21:09:58] <swer> _should_....yes ;)
[21:10:55] <tqh> do you use mk_add_options MOZ_OBJDIR?
[21:11:04] <swer> http://www.justasimpleonlinenerd.com/index.php?p=487
[21:11:43] <swer> I'm following the guide from livejournal
[21:12:12] <tqh> wiki.bebits.com?
[21:12:26] <swer> either one...they're mostly similar to me
[21:13:03] <tqh> ah, well they probably should be updated.
[21:13:26] <swer> so i need to add mk_add_options MOZ_OBJDIR then?
[21:13:33] <swer> there were a few things I had to fix by hand...
[21:14:37] <tqh> if you have the tools it's better to follow http://www.mozilla.org/source.html
[21:14:59] <swer> the BeOS link there? I thought that one was even older
[21:15:20] <tqh> nah, this is the real mozilla build instructions.
[21:16:09] <tqh> but some mozconfig options should be kept like ac_add_options --enable-cpp-rtti
[21:16:28] <swer> ok, I'm trying that
[21:16:59] <tqh> if you want I can send you my mozconfig
[21:17:10] <swer> that'd be a big help!
[21:17:57] <tqh> it has a bit for mozilla / thunderbird / firefox and static builds in the beginning though.
[21:18:30] <swer> is this transfer working or are we both firewalled?
[21:18:55] <tqh> I'm firewalled.
[21:18:58] <tqh> Hold on...
[21:19:06] <swer> are you on beshare?
[21:19:21] <swer> or send it to stefan.werner at hotmail dot com
[21:19:27] <swer> oh, wait
[21:19:30] <swer> wrong address
[21:19:36] <swer> stefan1werner at hotmail dot com
[21:20:44] <tqh> http://bezilla.xentronix.com/mozconfig.zip
[21:21:03] <swer> thanks
[21:21:07] <tqh> np
[21:22:14] * swer is waiting for mozilla to build....waiting....waiting..
[21:24:43] <swer> anything I need to change besides  MOZ_CO_PROJECT if I want to build a different project?
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[21:37:38] <tqh> swer yes the . topsrcdir stuff in the mozconfig and probably the objdir.
[21:38:45] <swer> right, I figured that after reading the file and mozilla.org a bit more closely
[21:39:05] <swer> note to self: first RTFM, then questions
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[21:39:39] <swer> still - nsIBookmarksService.h: No such file or directory
[21:43:13] <swer> oh, wait
[21:43:27] <swer> something's fishy here
[21:45:44] <tqh> hmm, maybe you need to do 'make -f client.mk checkout'
[21:47:28] <swer> I tried the snapshot tarball, I would have expected that one to be complete :/
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[21:49:00] <tqh> hmm
[21:49:11] <tqh> almost never used tarballs.
[21:50:12] <swer> ok, trying the whole thing again from the scratch
[21:50:34] <swer> this will take a while...144k downstream
[21:50:51] <tqh> ouch
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[21:51:20] * DaaT runs away in horror
[21:51:47] <swer> building the Darwin kernel was easier than this :(
[21:52:31] <DaaT> how big is the download?
[21:53:01] <swer> the unzipped tarball was 200MB
[21:53:15] <swer> I think it was ~30MB gzip'd
[21:53:27] <DaaT> could be worse... but still, yeah
[21:53:41] <tqh> swer yes it's a real stress-test for BeOS.
[21:53:54] <swer> it's just that i'm downloading the whole thing for the third time now
[21:54:02] <DaaT> don't mention "stress test" tqh.. reminds me of when i was happy... playing WoW :P
[21:54:06] <swer> and every time I have missing files
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[21:54:33] <swer> I don't know what I'm doing wrong that I don't get nsIBookmarksService.h
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[21:56:12] <tqh> DaaT playing WoW must take a lot of time.
[21:58:09] <DaaT> tqh, i don't now, but those 9/10 days.. yeah... you could say that ;)
[22:02:47] * tqh looks up Starcraft Ghost status
[22:02:57] <DaaT> though i was _very_ tempted to buy the collector's edition last week
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[22:14:57] <DaaT> oi BGA
[22:15:10] 
[22:15:23] <tic> hey bga
[22:17:32] <@BGA> tic!
[22:17:43] <tic> 'sup?
[22:21:57] <tic> moooooo
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[22:34:04] <fyysik> hi lymon - do you boot haiku already?:)
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[22:46:16] <DaaT> <shameless plug>http://www.iscomputeron.com/index/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=589&mode=nested&order=0&thold=-1</shameless plug>
[22:49:46] <@mmu_man> hmm yeah, just another dupped work :-(
[22:49:54] <@mmu_man> Ingo also is doing one
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[22:50:32] * DaaT shrugs
[22:50:35] <DaaT> those are the news I got
[22:50:40] <DaaT> not Ingo's work
[22:51:15] <@mmu_man> I got it first anyway :p
[22:51:22] <DaaT> i know
[22:51:22] <DaaT> :)
[22:51:26] <@mmu_man> he asked on #zeta-dev
[22:51:36] * DaaT pets mmu_man
[22:51:49] <swer> the link to zeta-zone.net needs a http:// in front
[22:51:54] <DaaT> oopsy
[22:52:02] * DaaT whistles and quietly goes fix it
[22:52:25] <swer> happens to everyone
[22:52:32] <swer> wer>	we just need smarter browsers
[22:52:52] <DaaT> or smarter news guys
[22:52:55] <DaaT> :P
[22:52:55] <DaaT> fixed
[22:53:16] <swer> as in I want a browser that automatically corrects it when I type www.someurl.cmo
[22:53:36] <swer> word is smart enough to turn teh into the, why can't my browser do the same?
[22:53:41] <DaaT> i doubt there'll be a browser that can correct "someurl" to the correct url
[22:53:43] <DaaT> :P
[22:53:58] <tqh> we don't have the paper-clip. That's the problem.
[22:54:08] <DaaT> true true
[22:54:09] <Dr_Evil> DaaT Firefox does that in Windows, it just asks google and trys the first link
[22:54:32] <tqh> 'Do you want to install Finnish language' will pop up 50 times a day and such though.
[22:54:38] <DaaT> ahhh
[22:54:40] <DaaT> tqh, ouch
[22:54:43] <Dr_Evil> for example, "frombaz" takes me to  http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/ha/galdiator/baz1.html
[22:54:50] <sys2> swer, but the day you mean t e h and not t h e then ?
[22:54:56] <sys2> 'or cmo insted of com ?P
[22:54:58] <swer> yes, the old internet keywords
[22:55:02] <sys2> and it just keeps correcting you ?
[22:55:21] <swer> sys2, it'd be smart enough to have a list of TLDs
[22:55:31] <DaaT> wooo.. next episode of Battlestar: Galactica
[22:55:36] <DaaT> the original series :)
[22:55:38] <swer> and try first to load the page, and then try to correct it if it fails
[22:55:48] <@mmu_man> tqh we have Moe
[22:55:52] <@mmu_man> much better than PaperClip
[22:56:05] <DaaT> blasphemer!!!
[22:56:30] <swer> another attempt at building bezilla
[22:56:34] * swer crosses fingers
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[23:08:20] <tqh> paperclip is all-knowing. It knows that I want to install german language when I don't even know it myself.
[23:08:51] <sys2> blue eyed OS .. did/do they only use the linux kernel or do they use X aswell ?
[23:10:33] <tqh> X as well, but not sure if that was only until they made their own app-server.
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[23:12:31] <sys2> damn this huge linux kernel :>
[23:12:37] <mmadia> sys2 if it matters, Mockup (fka BeFree) will be using regular X for development and will switch to either directFB or Xgl
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[23:20:04] <swer> fsck. bezilla fails yet again.
[23:20:23] <swer> sXPComInit.o(.text+0x23b0): undefined reference to `nsIRecyclingAllocator virtual table'
[23:24:32] <tqh> make clean;make in objdir/xpcom maybe.
[23:26:56] * tqh zzzzzz
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[23:28:11] <CIA-3> korli * current/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/pci/ (Jamfile arch/ppc/Jamfile arch/x86/Jamfile): Simplified pci bus manager Jamfiles
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