[00:00:33] <tqh> jonaskirilla If you launch it that way, probably.
[00:00:51] <jonaskirilla> seriously?
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[00:01:41] <jonaskirilla> I thought the mozilla launch script just did a lot of crap that nobody cared about.
[00:02:13] <fyysik> tqh - from which folder i should apply patch -i for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=173982  ?
[00:02:31] * Dr3w grumbles about not enough time and too much Real Life(TM) stuff...
[00:02:54] <Koki> tqh: this build is really good!
[00:03:21] <Koki> very snappy, and scrolling inside iframes is flawless!
[00:04:55] <tqh> Mozilla build is up as well.
[00:05:48] <NathanW> Why is the archive so large?
[00:06:28] <tqh> fyysik In toolkit/xre and in xpfe/bootstrap
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[00:07:00] <fyysik> jonaskirilla - Mozilla uses add-ons to workaround memory limitation for shared libs. and if you change placement of mozilla components, you will get your problem. It was discussed several times
[00:07:09] <Dr3w> Hey NathanW, tqh, Koki and fyysik!
[00:07:16] <tqh> hey
[00:07:34] <NathanW> hi Dr3w
[00:08:16] <tqh> Koki Yes, that was what I thought as well.
[00:09:02] <Koki> hi Dr3w
[00:09:03] <tqh> It would probably be incredible with fyysiks gfx-patches.
[00:09:05] <NathanW> wow, this build *is* nice
[00:09:42] <Dr3w> Not on BeOS at the moment, does it feel like other OS's in terms of speed now?
[00:09:53] <Dr3w> or, redrawing?
[00:10:02] <NathanW> It's becoming close
[00:10:10] <tqh> so to recap 'semaphores bad, suspending threads goood' :)
[00:10:25] <MikeW> why tqh?
[00:10:42] <Dr3w> Impressive work chaps!  I started using FireFox for almost everything now, just use Net+ when I need something *really* quick.
[00:12:03] <NathanW> iframes still scroll weirdly, but at elast they don't blink
[00:12:19] <tqh> MikeW That's the change in the code i did.
[00:13:08] <Koki> NathanW: iframes they seem to scroll ok here. have a specific URL?
[00:13:24] <tqh> I think windows builds are static so it's a bit unfair comparison when I don't have a static build.
[00:13:31] <NathanW> http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=874
[00:16:08] <Koki> NathanW: yep, there seems to be a lag in some parts of the screen. still, A LOT better than what it used to be (a lot of flicker and parts of the rendition not refreshing).
[00:16:16] <NathanW> oh, yeah
[00:16:17] <NathanW> definitely
[00:16:41] * fyysik remembers that people voted for blinking instead lagging year ago:)
[00:17:01] <fyysik> will see what happens year after
[00:17:08] <Dr3w> You can't do a static build 'cos of OS limits right?
[00:17:09] * Koki reminds fyysik that you can never make everyone happy. :-)
[00:19:57] <tqh> You can do static builds, but you have to do full rebuilds when changing stuff so it's not good for me as a dev.
[00:20:07] <tqh> static builds are faaast.
[00:20:33] <NathanW> What's required to get a mozilla build setup?
[00:20:37] <tqh> fyysik Well it probably comes with the imporved speed - more blinking.
[00:20:49] <Dr3w> NathanW there is a script somewhere that should do it all for you.
[00:20:52] <Dr3w> on BeBits.
[00:21:25] <NathanW> I'm getting a dual 2.4 GHz Xeon next week, and since building code is what that kind of thing is good for...
[00:21:40] <tqh> NathanW It's not very different from this http://wiki.bebits.com/page/BuildingFirebird
[00:21:53] <NathanW> ok
[00:22:23] <Dr3w> NathanW actually, that is the page I was talking about.
[00:22:28] <tqh> And then look here: http://www.mozilla.org/build/
[00:22:32] <Dr3w> I thought I followed it on BeBits.
[00:23:37] <fyysik> tqh - do you mean CPU speed?
[00:24:23] <tqh> fyysik Nah, improvements in CVS for rendering speed and startup
[00:24:47] <fyysik> tqh - i think it is rather not fixed in CVS painting region handling
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[00:25:22] <@Dr_Evil> hi everyone, I'm back!
[00:25:30] <NathanW> hi Dr_Evil
[00:26:29] <tqh> fyysik Yes, I just meant that it's more annoying nowadays.
[00:28:22] <Methe> lo Dr_Evil
[00:28:24] <Methe> & others
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[00:29:43] <fyysik> tqh - to give you clue
[00:30:06] <fyysik> if you remember, there is region in nsViewBeOS class for pending updates
[00:31:06] <fyysik> but imagine what happens if we already  repainted part of same region in synchronous paint called by mozilla direcly, via ns-invalidate or ns-update
[00:31:14] <fyysik> and vice versa
[00:31:28] <fyysik> we need here more intelligent accounting
[00:31:32] <tqh> fyysik Yes I know that. I'm not talking about the code
[00:32:55] <fyysik> btw, Mozilla/FF itself (view manager more exactly)  is imperfect in that sense, and people are rewriting it (or planning rewrite)
[00:33:17] <@mmu_man> zzz
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[00:33:55] <MikeW> NathanW: how much is that setting you back?
[00:34:13] <NathanW> $600, including case and such
[00:34:35] <MikeW> wow, thats cheap
[00:34:39] <NathanW> yeah
[00:34:43] <NathanW> that's why I bought it :)
[00:34:50] <MikeW> got it on offer or something?
[00:34:54] <NathanW> nope
[00:34:57] <NathanW> retail parts
[00:35:08] <NathanW> from Newegg
[00:35:29] <MikeW> oh, thats amazing
[00:35:37] <NathanW> yeah :)
[00:35:40] * fyysik needs to build firefox for second part of patch
[00:35:48] 
[00:35:59] <MikeW> but still, some smp is better than no smp
[00:36:08] <NathanW> haha
[00:36:10] <NathanW> yeah
[00:36:34] <tqh> fyysik It should be ok as it's in the latest build.
[00:36:39] <MikeW> and its going to be for syllable and beos (perhaps ubuntu too, but will be a bit slow), so it shouldn't matter too much
[00:37:16] <fyysik> tqh - ok. so will look at formatting only:)
[00:37:17] <fyysik> heh
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[00:39:21] <NathanW> okay, dinner time
[00:39:23] <NathanW> ttyl
[00:39:34] * tqh should go to sleep
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[00:41:20] <fyysik> it seem i should put doEmulateBold back
[00:41:32] <fyysik> BitStreamCyberbit lacks bold face
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[00:44:26] <fyysik> tqh - there is issue
[00:44:40] <fyysik> with new runner
[00:44:49] <fyysik> mozilla don't quit
[00:45:03] <fyysik> hangs in no-window state
[00:47:35] <MikeW> hm, but isn't that the same for firefox too?
[00:47:52] <MikeW> well, the build of firefox I played with in the past would often just lie there with no windows
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[00:51:19] <fyysik> tqh - and yes, without syncsem it is better. Though i remember i removed long ago that sem things too. it worked, but tends to crash at some point. Unfortunately cannot recall details
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[01:03:29] <Player> I'm interested in BeOS, but I'm a little confused by the developer documentation page (http://www.haiku-os.org/develop.php). I thought that Open BeOS was based on NewOS, not BSD 4.4
[01:05:36] <fyysik> you are right:) it is NewOS based
[01:05:47] <sys2_> BSD is the network  stuff right ?:>
[01:06:26] <fyysik> right. and some other details, e.g. POSIX-level
[01:06:37] <fyysik> shell etc
[01:13:09] <Player> Maybe you have a little time to humor me here. As a prospective developer I'm mostly interested in a few things; I can find answers to some of these on my own (how annoying is the API and design, how usable is the OS) but I'm also wondering how nice the compiler/debugger/IDE is and about the makeup of the development community.
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[01:20:26] <fyysik> makeup?
[01:20:43] <fyysik> there are two compilers in use
[01:20:46] <fyysik> gcc 2.9
[01:20:50] <fyysik> and gcc 2.953
[01:21:17] <fyysik> IDE by metrowerks is quite fine
[01:21:30] <Player> ew, old gcc compilers
[01:23:48] <Player> by makeup I mean, well, for example I worked with one person until recently who thought that C was the best language for development, and never bothered to learn much about C++. As another example, FreeBSD is concerned first and foremost with security, whereas other OSes don't see that as quite as much of a priority.
[01:24:03] <Player> So really I'm just asking about attitudes.
[01:24:33] <Procton> FreeBSD? You mean OpenBSD, right?
[01:24:55] <fyysik> but there are aslo two or fout GUI programmer editors
[01:24:56] <Player> er, right
[01:25:30] <Procton> regarding the API... the API is really nice, apart from a few glitches.
[01:25:51] <Procton> the debugger is decent.. unfortunately I haven't gotten gdb working.
[01:25:54] <fyysik> Player - there is newer gcc fro 3.* series too, but it is almost unusable due ABI problems
[01:26:01] <fyysik> we cannot recompile whole OS
[01:26:03] <Player> sorry, ABI?
[01:26:22] <Procton> Application Binary Interface.
[01:26:32] <fyysik> this is "binary itnterface" - fromat for bingdings between libs and apps
[01:26:34] <Player> I'm spoiled by msvc
[01:26:38] <Player> right
[01:26:43] <fyysik> gcc introduces new ABI
[01:26:54] <fyysik> which makes apps incompatible with old libs
[01:26:56] <Procton> their debugger is really nice, but the rest is crap if you ask me.
[01:27:11] <Player> so just out of curiosity (I'm not really interested in working on gcc), why can't you recompile the whole OS?
[01:27:22] <fyysik> no sources
[01:27:26] <Player> ooo
[01:27:27] <fyysik> BeOS is closed source app
[01:27:32] <fyysik> OS
[01:27:36] <sys2_> spoiled by msvc... how the **** do you get that?'
[01:27:38] <sys2_> :>
[01:27:44] <fyysik> and Open Source replacement isnt ready yet
[01:28:07] <Player> msvc is actually pretty nice. mind you intellisense is a POS and the thing crashes sometimes, but overall pretty nice.
[01:28:31] * Procton shrugs.
[01:29:26] <Procton> but then again.. I'm don't like IDE's anyway.
[01:29:32] <Player> so what do you see as the BeOS priorities?
[01:29:34] <Procton> -'m
[01:30:01] <Procton> at what beos does best?
[01:30:24] <Player> uh, sure
[01:31:03] <Procton> filesystem, smp, "illusion of being speedy".. hmm... as I said, the API is nice, so it is actually fun to develop for beos.
[01:31:19] <Player> Do you need help with filesystem development?
[01:31:41] <Procton> openbfs has gotten pretty far, so I don't think so.
[01:32:04] <Procton> what I meant was.. the filesystem (bfs) rocks.
[01:32:23] <Player> right =)
[01:32:43] <Procton> files with indexed meta data... like from 96 or something. And Apple and MS are trying to create something like bfs but aren't finished...
[01:32:45] <Player> so how easy is it to get obeos running?
[01:33:22] <Procton> you can't do much with obeos/haiku atm... if you have beos installed though, you can replace beos parts with openbeos parts.
[01:33:31] <Procton> like the printer server, etc.
[01:33:34] <Player> right, my roommate has be5
[01:33:39] <@geist> right, basically folks are working at it from two sides
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[01:33:56] <Procton> howdy geist.
[01:33:59] <@geist> some people are using beos and replacing sections of it with new code, working from the top down
[01:34:16] <@geist> others are working on the kernel and adding new functionality
[01:34:22] <@geist> I guess the two haven't quite met yet
[01:34:29] <Player> so when it's all done, what do you see OpenBeOS being?
[01:35:03] <Procton> hopefully an improved R5... but the goal is a R5 replica.
[01:35:16] <sys2_> andthen build on that :>
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[01:35:23] <Procton> right.
[01:35:25] <sys2_> and beat the crap out of both windows and linux :>
[01:35:40] <sys2_> and all shall praise us!
[01:36:07] <sys2_> and i get a thousand virgins wihout dieing...
[01:36:16] <sys2_> now thats not a bad deal to sell your soul over
[01:36:36] <Player> well, clearly it should be a desktop OS, but how about other things such as a server OS or an media center OS?
[01:37:07] <Procton> I wouldn't try to use it as a high-volume server OS... it wasn't designed for that.
[01:37:31] <@geist> true though no reason to design that out of it
[01:37:42] <Procton> as a media center on the other hand...
[01:37:58] <Procton> sure... but... as R5 is now, the speed is just an illusion.
[01:38:03] <Player> mind you, neither were *n?x or windows though.
[01:38:09] <sys2_> illusion ?
[01:38:12] <sys2_> in what way?
[01:38:19] <@geist> I guess. I fired up beos for the first time in a few years last night. it's really showing it's age now
[01:38:21] <Procton> it feels speedy, but really isn't.
[01:38:22] <sys2_> that its uber fast compared to windows and linux with the same apps? :P
[01:38:26] <Player> responsiveness != efficiency
[01:38:41] <Procton> right.
[01:38:43] <MikeW> everything in the glass elevator would be nice (that project still alive?)
[01:39:01] <MikeW> but id really love a polished GUI and multi user support :)
[01:39:03] <@geist> hey I'm just surprised there's still work being done after all these years
[01:39:11] <Procton> geist: surprisingly it is still usable though.
[01:39:25] <@geist> it is until I tried moving a lot of data yesterday
[01:39:37] <@geist> BONE or the 8139 driver or something slowed it all to a crawl
[01:39:38] <Procton> on>	on the other hand.. I don't use a computer for much.. reading mails, surfing, IRC, etc.
[01:39:57] <Procton> yup.. I have the same problem too. The filesystem really gets in trouble with BONE.
[01:40:34] <Procton> regular R5 is much more efficient with filehandling.. annoying as h**l.
[01:40:54] <@geist> what operations in particular are you thinking about?
[01:40:55] <Player> so where can I find the actual API docs?
[01:41:38] <Procton> ordinary filehandling.. opening/closing files has locking issues with BONE, IIRC.
[01:42:48] <@geist> hmm, maybe because bone is going throguh the same fsil
[01:43:22] <Player> also, how active is development on BeOS?
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[01:44:18] <Procton> geist: yup... but I've been told that bone8 fixed that, but I haven't looked into it.
[01:44:24] <DC1> 'lo
[01:45:11] <@geist> ah
[01:45:21] <@geist> yeah I forget what was going on, but bone was definitely incomplete
[01:45:48] <Procton> indeed.
[01:46:04] <Procton> still better than net_server, though.
[01:46:16] <@geist> not the performanceI was seeing last night
[01:46:43] <Procton> oh?
[01:46:56] <Procton> 100Mb LAN?
[01:48:32] <Player> ah, API docs? I really don't see it listed on haiku-os
[01:48:38] <Procton> Player: here is one, but you can download the developer kit at bebits too to get the bebook... http://www.beclan.org/BeBook/
[01:48:48] <@geist> Procton: yeah
[01:48:59] <Player> Procton, okay I should probably do that
[01:49:10] <Procton> ah... I've only used bone on a 10MB wire.
[01:49:33] <Procton> what speed were you reaching?
[01:50:26] <@geist> probably around 10 megabits. probably less
[01:50:35] <Procton> topped the CPU?
[01:50:36] <@geist> I did a p4 sync of the newos dir and it took like an hour
[01:50:44] <Player> ooh, FireFox for BeOS. That's awfully nice.
[01:50:51] <Procton> geez...
[01:51:35] <@geist> subsequent telnets into the system were nearly unusable
[01:51:59] <@geist> didn't see if that was because of cpu pegging or the net stack just not reacting well or the 8139 driver or something
[01:52:28] <Procton> could be the driver...
[01:52:33] <Player> so... is this the developers kit you were talking about? http://www.bebits.com/app/413
[01:52:49] <Procton> I had no problems when I did a p4 sync on the newos dir.
[01:53:29] <Procton> Player: nope...
[01:53:32] <Procton> hang on...
[01:53:57] <Procton> Player: http://www.bebits.com/app/2680 "Develppment tools"
[01:54:18] <Player> ah, thank you
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[01:56:38] <Procton> np
[01:59:44] <Player> so how active is development?
[02:00:11] <Procton> not that active.
[02:00:25] <Procton> but that's also what makes it fun to develop.
[02:00:34] <Player> I'm not surprised, it's hard to work on a nonfunctional project
[02:00:46] <Player> although I guess it is functional if you use be5
[02:01:16] <Procton> right.
[02:01:32] <Procton> I assumed you meant R5 development. Haiku is pretty active.
[02:02:05] <Player> ah, I don't know the difference yet
[02:02:21] <Player> I thought that R5 was the dead commercial product
[02:02:42] <[Beta]> dead as in you cant really buy it anymore..
[02:02:46] <Procton> it is... but you can ofcourse still develop applications and such for R5, which eventually will work for haiku too.
[02:04:11] <Procton> beos is somewhat modular though, so you can replace/upgrade parts of the OS.
[02:05:40] <Player> right
[02:07:40] <Player> by the way, what do the rest of you like about Be?
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[02:13:29] <DC1> nite
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[02:14:09] <Player> well I didn't expect an answer to that one anyways. Thanks for the orientation.
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[13:38:51] <TuneTracker> Could someone please test something for me?  I need to find out if this is working:  http://www.beosradio.com/playlist4.m3u
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[14:01:42] <[Beta]> The document has moved <A HREF="http://www.bentonrea.complaylist4.m3u">here</A>.<P>
[14:01:50] <[Beta]> you need a slash?
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[14:02:38] <fyysik> hi
[14:02:41] <fyysik> hi tqh
[14:03:36] <fyysik> tqh - i think that waiting-thread thing is worth to be separate patch. Even before you rewrite whole message pump
[14:06:08] <tqh> I think so too
[14:07:02] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/ (nv_acc.c nv_acc_dma.c):
[14:07:04] <CIA-3> added some more PIO mode acceleration programming for NV40 and higher. This
[14:07:04] <CIA-3> remains non-functional: aborting dev on this for now. Notes about the problem
[14:07:04] <CIA-3> are in the code. For now I guess no-one cares about PIO mode nomore anyway...
[14:07:04] <CIA-3> ;-)
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[14:27:13] <CIA-3> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/GetAccelerantHook.c: blocking exporting overlay hooks on NV40 architecture cards that are not NV40 or NV45: these newer NV40 architecture cards have a new bes, but we don't know how to set it up yet. :-/
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[14:47:21] <tqh> new Firefox build at BeBits!
[14:47:56] * MikeW visits
[14:48:27] <Methe> mahlzeit !
[14:48:34] <@mahlzeit> Methe!
[14:48:39] <Methe> wazza
[14:49:02] <@mahlzeit> nuttin
[14:49:11] <@mahlzeit> et toi?
[14:49:26] <Methe> :o $$$
[14:49:38] <Methe> not much either
[14:49:54] 
[14:50:18] <Methe> while listeningto the radio
[14:50:21] <MikeW> This build HAS REORDERED libraries and it's a static build making it faster.
[14:50:23] <MikeW> \o/
[14:50:25] <@mahlzeit> it's weekend! so forget about school already...
[14:50:39] <MikeW> It does not support 'Open with' and double clicking HTML-files.
[14:50:40] <Methe> :)
[14:50:47] <MikeW> :(
[14:50:59] <Methe> I wish I was outside playing with my camcorder
[14:51:05] <Methe> but it rais ansd rains
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[14:51:07] <Methe> since a week
[14:52:07] * mahlzeit loves rain
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[14:52:25] <Methe> I like rain. but not all kind of rain
[14:52:35] <Methe> :)
[14:52:56] <Methe> anyway not sure my camcorder loves rain
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[14:53:16] <@mahlzeit> it's not one of those yellow-under-water cams?
[14:53:30] <Methe> nope :)
[14:53:38] <tqh> hmm, that build might have an absolute pathname symlink :(
[14:55:06] <tqh> updated
[14:56:11] <tqh> fyysik Do you have cvs-access so you can checkin https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258092 ?
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[14:58:08] <Hoern> hi
[14:58:36] <Hoern> tqh: hi, are you here?!
[14:58:55] <tqh> yes
[14:59:08] <Hoern> tqh: fine :-)
[14:59:21] <Hoern> tried the new Firefox bulid today and have some problems
[14:59:27] <tqh> ok
[14:59:41] <Hoern> I get the following when starting
[14:59:43] <Hoern> nsAppShell portname: event8001a648
[14:59:43] <Hoern> semname: sync8001a648
[14:59:47] <Hoern> any idea?
[15:00:03] <Hoern> it quits right after starting
[15:00:24] <tqh> That is my debug-print.
[15:00:54] <tqh> You propable need to open Filetypes and remove Firefox or firefox-bin entries and then reboot.
[15:01:13] <Hoern> gonna try
[15:03:34] <Hoern> brb
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[15:04:07] <nielx> hee hallo\
[15:05:23] <tqh> Hi nielx
[15:06:16] <nielx> hi tqh, what's up?
[15:06:45] <tqh> well, found some nice speed optimizations for Mozilla / Firefox if you've missed it.
[15:07:10] <nielx> I just read it
[15:07:17] <nielx> very nice
[15:07:25] <nielx> I'm making a new build this weekend
[15:07:37] <nielx> I still don't have internet access with BeOS in Amsterdam
[15:07:43] <tqh> ah good.
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[15:09:06] <Hoern> re
[15:09:12] <Hoern> doesn't help :-(
[15:10:10] <nielx> But I'm doing some USB stuff now
[15:10:35] <nielx> (I'll probably be fed up after an hour or two, so I'll start selecting patches then)
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[15:13:49] <tqh> ah
[15:14:54] <Hoern> tqh: ok, I "solved" the problem
[15:15:15] <Hoern> tqh: Just renamed the Profile folder and let Firfox build a new one
[15:15:16] <tqh> Hoern Ah good.
[15:15:44] <Hoern> tqh: thanx for your good work anyway :-)
[15:16:35] <tqh> Hope you like it.
[15:16:53] <Hoern> sure :-)
[15:17:24] <Hoern> still rough edges but it get's better every day - let's see what's new in this build
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[15:19:39] <fyysik> tqh - tree is closed atm
[15:21:21] <Hoern> tqh: quite nice :-)
[15:23:14] <Hoern> tqh: I remember the time when Firefox took about a minute just to start :-)
[15:23:31] <fyysik> tqh - waitingthread patch solved another problem too, it seems
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[15:25:36] <fyysik> tqh - find box now don't hang at long pages if it didn't find searchstring
[15:28:22] <mwilber> Is there a new FireFox build available?
[15:28:34] <fyysik> mwilber - at bebits
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[15:28:55] <fyysik> in bleeding edge section
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[15:31:17] <CIA-3> mwilber * current/headers/os/translation/TranslationDefs.h: Moved translator_data struct to FuncTranslator private header because this struct is not intended to be used by the user.
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[15:33:41] <Hoern> a big thanks again to all the Firefoxers, keep the good work going! - cu
[15:33:48] <CIA-3> mwilber * current/headers/os/translation/ (TranslatorRoster.h FuncTranslator.h): Moved FuncTranslator.h to private headers since it is not intended for the user.
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[15:34:29] <fyysik> tqh - with this patch it is more like NetPositive now - i got crash at start with debug terminal, but it still works, when i closed DebugTerminal, hehe
[15:35:06] <tqh> hmm
[15:35:45] <tqh> ah I'm preparing a better patch.
[15:35:53] <CIA-3> mwilber * current/headers/private/translation/FuncTranslator.h: Moved FuncTranslator.h from current/headers/os/translation to private headers. Moved translator_data struct from TranslationDefs.h to FuncTranslator.h.
[15:36:03] <fyysik> better is enemy of good
[15:36:51] <@mahlzeit> that is best :-)
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[15:38:35] <CIA-3> mwilber * current/src/kits/translation/ (Jamfile TranslatorRoster.cpp): Moved FuncTranslator.h to private headers, moved #include <FuncTranslator.h> from TranslatorRoster.h to TranslatorRoster.cpp.
[15:42:35] <mwilber> fyysik: Is the latest available for netserver?
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[15:46:41] <tqh> ok, I think I'm done for the day.
[15:47:04] <tqh> fyysik It would nice to see a mozilla-build with all your optimizations plus this.
[15:49:25] <fyysik> tqh - truth is that most simple gfx things were done already. Another changes in gfx are lot of code which slightly improves some details, like allocating memory for text etc.  Most of difference is in widget/window code, i think
[15:49:57] <fyysik> ik>	i mean speed and responsivness things
[15:50:25] <tqh> oh, ok.
[15:50:31] <fyysik> tqh - i will publish now 1.7a with your superfix
[15:50:38] <fyysik> in order to compare
[15:51:03] <fyysik> one thing which differs heavily even with your waithread patch is menu speed
[15:51:12] <tqh> ah
[15:51:21] <mwilber> I'm already very impressed with the 1.7a that I downloaded a few weeks ago.
[15:51:23] <fyysik> both in firefox and mozilla from seamonkey 1.8 tree
[15:51:29] <fyysik> moving over menus is slow
[15:51:43] <fyysik> while it is quite fast in 1.7a bleeding builds
[15:51:56] <fyysik> ik>	i cannot guess exact change which allowed it:(
[15:52:25] <fyysik> maybe sum of little changes, but who knows
[15:52:32] <tqh> hmm ok.
[15:52:45] <tqh> Is the tree closed because of 1.8a?
[15:53:00] <tqh> beta I mean
[15:53:01] <fyysik> 1.85b
[15:53:06] <fyysik> yeah
[15:53:14] <fyysik> another difference is text typing
[15:53:32] <fyysik> with your patch it is bit better, but still slow, especially in url bar
[15:53:46] <fyysik> also needs investigation which changes had effect
[15:54:18] <fyysik> maybe those little string handling changes in gfx, but may be KeyDown even different messaging in widget
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[15:55:41] <fyysik> anyway again - very good shot with waitingthread:)
[15:56:32] <fyysik> patch of the year, i say:)
[15:56:52] <tqh> Yes, the only thing we use the syncsem for now is to check if port should be reopened, but I don't know how to do that check in other way right now.
[15:57:31] <fyysik> tqh - does that other place when we use port_write/read  also needs changes?
[15:57:48] <fyysik> in plevent ?
[15:58:06] <tqh> fyysik I don't think so, I think it just sets up the port and semaphore, not anything else.
[16:01:44] <fyysik> tqh - what does it mean? - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=282031#c4
[16:02:27] <fyysik> does it mean that you will obsolete patch or still wish to review it?
[16:03:23] <tqh> fyysik Oops, seems plevent needs some changes after all.
[16:04:15] <tqh> fyysik It means that there will be additonal work done after this bug, but doesn't change anything for this one.
[16:05:29] <fyysik> tqh - is this patch independent of plevent or you wish to update this bug?
[16:05:46] <fyysik> is some leak possible if you don't put both together?
[16:12:15] <tqh> fyysik the plevent stuff is not needed in practice as false is basically 0 and int32 and thread_id is same size, but I think we should fix all at once.
[16:13:09] <tqh> well, I won't call for a new review now since the tree is frozen anyway.
[16:14:55] <fyysik> ok, so i put review
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[16:39:07] <fyy_laptop> tqh - building now 1.7a for netserver with your patch to allow people to test it
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[16:46:42] <tqh> fyy_laptop Ah, just tested your mozilla.
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[16:55:36] <tqh> fyy_laptop: better review the one with the xpcom changes (2-3 lines different)
[16:56:02] <fyy_laptop> tqh - where?
[16:56:42] <fyy_laptop> i'm now on computer which doesn't get bugzilla mails
[16:57:14] <tqh> fyy_laptop ah ok: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=282031
[16:57:42] <tqh> Anyway I'm of to play poker and drink beer with some friends
[16:57:56] * tqh is going to get rich tonight :)
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[19:40:46] <Dr_Evil> how can I terminate a bash shell script loop if wget returns an error?
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[19:46:55] <NathanW> Do || -1 at the end of the command
[19:47:11] <NathanW> or wait
[19:47:13] <NathanW> that's a makefile
[19:47:15] <NathanW> I'm a moron
[19:47:16] <NathanW> sorry
[19:47:27] <geist> yeah i wasn't understandiong that one either
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[19:48:04] * NathanW goes to sit in a corner with the dunce cap that has magically appeared on his head
[19:48:51] <geist> anyhoo, I think you can either get the result of the last command in a magic shell variable or you can assign the result to a var and check it
[19:49:48] <Dr_Evil> hmm, I don't have the knowledge
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[19:50:45] <Dr_Evil> well, doesn't matter, works good enough without it
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[20:42:39] <frankern> szia Potn
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[20:43:05] <frankern> manma megint nem tuldok felgyutni a #beos.hu-ra :-(
[20:43:07] <Potn> szia frankern
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[21:32:02] <jonaskirilla> hej
[21:32:50] <Procton> jo
[21:33:22] <jonaskirilla> Hello Procton!
[21:33:37] <agentmumu> 7win 2
[21:33:58] <jonaskirilla> Anyone remember how to find the app-signature of an add-on file from within the loaded add-on?
[21:34:39] <jonaskirilla> I've tried googling for a text I think I read on the issue, but I can't find it.
[21:35:09] <Procton> be_app->GetAppInfo()?
[21:35:12] <dr_Evil_> iterate through all image_info an check if the address of a local function lies within the text segment
[21:35:34] <agentmumu> after world of warcraft finished installing, i'll do a new kernel image with the new framebuffer module, i hope it works with qemu now
[21:35:36] <Procton> or... the addon file?
[21:35:57] <jonaskirilla> the the signature of the add-on file
[21:36:12] <Procton> does it necessarily have to have a signature?
[21:36:14] <@Korli> agentmumu needs update after install :p
[21:36:16] <jonaskirilla> iterating over the loaded images sounds about right
[21:36:36] <jonaskirilla> Procton: it will have a signature, it's an app-on thing
[21:37:25] <jonaskirilla> there exists a very short and non-hackish code snippet for it.. or used to
[21:39:35] <dr_Evil_> http://www.bug-br.org.br/pipermail/bedevtalk/2003-January/000855.html
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[21:40:45] <jonaskirilla> dr_Evil_: wohoo! thanks!
[21:40:49] <agentmumu> Korli: how big? :)
[21:40:56] <@Korli> 47Mo
[21:43:00] <jonaskirilla> dr_Evil_: it looks different from the way I remember it
[21:43:46] <dr_Evil_> it has a slightly different purpose
[21:43:50] <dr_Evil_> but should be a start
[21:44:07] <jonaskirilla> yeah
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[22:19:19] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi
[22:21:09] <swer> hi
[22:26:01] <ahwayakchih> good night everyone
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[23:57:46] <desidaerius504> anyone know of any BeOS/Haiku word processors more recent than the version of AbiWord on BeBits?
[23:58:12] <fyysik> 1.0 beta or such
[23:58:50] <fyysik> AbiSuite-x86-BeOS-1.0.zip
[23:59:09] <fyysik> 3.9 MB
[23:59:13] <desidaerius504> could, where is is available at?
[23:59:18] <desidaerius504> cool*
[23:59:25] <fyysik> found it at beshare
[23:59:37] <desidaerius504> thanks :-)





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