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[01:15:11] <node> hey everyone
[01:15:26] <@voidref> no one is here
[01:15:38] <node> whatup void
[01:16:01] <node> you currently workin on any projects
[01:17:09] <node> i just started learning perl 2 days ago... tryin to integrate some flash and html with some database stuff
[01:17:53] <node> i assume you know how to program in some language since your handle has the word void and refrence in it
[01:18:46] <node> im out peace |-> /part
[01:18:48] <slaad> Heh.
[01:18:54] <node> what up slaad
[01:18:59] <slaad> Not much, not much at all.
[01:19:08] <node> same thats why im on here
[01:19:20] * slaad nods.
[01:19:34] <node> so what do you do in your spare time
[01:19:42] <slaad> At the moment I'm doing some work from home.
[01:19:48] <slaad> Other than that, I code.
[01:19:58] <node> oh sweet, yeah im tryin to get some sort of job from home myself
[01:20:14] <node> cool what language or langauges
[01:20:26] <slaad> I go to the office once a week. Then do whatever I feel like from home.
[01:20:31] <slaad> My work stuff is in ASP/VBScript.
[01:20:44] <node> oh i used to do a lil vbscript
[01:20:49] <slaad> Home stuff is in C++. But I also play with microcontrollers ... which iseither in C or ASM.
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[01:21:07] <node> oh ight yeah thats advanced stuff
[01:21:21] <@BGA> salad: Stop bragging.
[01:21:29] * DaaT agrees with BGA
[01:21:32] <DaaT> shuddup!
[01:21:34] <slaad> You're just jealous you're far too lazy to do anything BGA :P
[01:21:39] <@BGA> salad: If you at least worked on 2 different OS projects, you could do that. ;)
[01:21:42] <node> yeah i know a lil c++, but i also was learning some on assembly language in october
[01:21:54] <node> but right now i just need a job... so i gotta wait till i have the time
[01:22:14] <slaad> I develop SaladOS in my spare time, BGA. And it's closely related SlaadOS ;)
[01:22:34] <DaaT> and he makes artistic drawings...
[01:22:36] <DaaT> :P
[01:22:41] <node> right now, all i know is actionscript/flash, html, and just started learning perl 2 days ago
[01:22:45] <node> oh really! wow..
[01:22:48] <@BGA> slaad: Ehehehehehehehehehe... :)
[01:22:53] <slaad> Oh, yeah, I forgot. I'm also an artiste ;)
[01:22:58] <node> is it kinda like a unix based os
[01:23:09] <slaad> Kind of, only a lot less existant.
[01:23:12] <node> sweet then we can kinda relate
[01:23:16] <DaaT> you put miguel angelo to shame slaad
[01:23:27] <DaaT> michelo
[01:23:28] <DaaT> :)
[01:23:35] <node> i do some electronica music... but waiting till i have some money for one of those evolution midi keyboards
[01:23:39] <slaad> What can I said, it's a gift, DaaT.
[01:23:41] * slaad grins
[01:23:51] <slaad> Ahh, nice node.
[01:23:57] <node> yeah man...
[01:23:58] <DaaT> and a curse for the rest of us ;)
[01:24:10] <slaad> heh.
[01:24:11] <node> have you ever used reason 2.5
[01:24:27] <slaad> Don't worry DaaT, one day you'll find something you're good at... ;)
[01:24:36] <node> hahaha
[01:24:36] <slaad> Nope, haven't played with musicy stuff.
[01:25:03] <node> oh but do you paint or construct physical stuff
[01:25:12] <DaaT> slaad, i hope you're right
[01:25:13] <DaaT> :D
[01:25:30] <slaad> Yeah, it'd be horrible if you were useless *all* your life...
[01:25:31] * slaad grins
[01:25:51] <DaaT> i know i know... i'd have to ask you for advice *shudder*
[01:25:52] <slaad> Haha, neither node... DaaT is referring to an image I whipped up to test some code with.
[01:25:52] <DaaT> :D
[01:26:17] <node> slaad do you have any current predictions based on your future or the future of our existence
[01:26:30] <slaad> Yes! I'm going to be rich and famouse!
[01:26:46] <node> will you be happy, will you donate?
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[01:27:39] <DaaT> he'll be a rgular scrooge
[01:27:42] <DaaT> regular
[01:27:43] <slaad> I'll be happy. It is unlikely I'll donate... I mean, there's always new toys for me to buy.
[01:27:44] <node> naaa
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[01:27:50] <slaad> Darn tootin'.
[01:27:55] <node> haha
[01:27:58] <slaad> If you want my money, you can shine my shoes.
[01:28:05] <node> but man... im sayin if you have like 10million
[01:28:07] <[Beta]> I donate monthly, and still buy toys all the time :>
[01:28:16] <node> naaa dude...
[01:28:17] <node> lol
[01:28:25] <node> would you prefer more than one girl?
[01:28:33] <[Beta]> what a silly question
[01:28:37] <node> haha
[01:28:50] <node> well.. im serious, trying to simulate the situation
[01:29:00] <[Beta]> depends how special the first one is.
[01:29:03] <node> Beta when was the last time you've cried
[01:29:04] <[Beta]> if she were, than no
[01:29:06] <node> true
[01:29:13] <[Beta]> node: I dont have to answer that
[01:29:15] <slaad> Hrm... maybe another girl... just so I can watch them... you know...
[01:29:50] <node> do you beleive that it is a possibility to go insane?
[01:29:51] <[Beta]> hmm *thinks back to films
[01:30:00] <[Beta]> oh, totally penguin
[01:30:05] <DaaT> lol  slaad
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[01:30:42] <node> there are so many perspectives its freaky
[01:30:59] <DaaT> i know what i would do if i won millions
[01:31:07] <node> cool what?
[01:31:10] <DaaT> at least to begin with
[01:31:26] <[Beta]> I'd buy a house.
[01:31:31] <node> i have no idea what i'd really do... alright.. yeah same
[01:31:32] <[Beta]> being technically homeless sucks.
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[01:31:41] <slaad> Technically homeless, [Beta]?
[01:31:47] <[Beta]> Live with my parents :/
[01:31:51] <node> same here
[01:31:51] <slaad> Ah.
[01:31:58] <node> but im 19, live with 4 adults
[01:32:04] <slaad> I won't be buying a house for a while.
[01:32:06] <DaaT> buy a house for my parents... my brother... my best friends.. buy then whatever car they wanted
[01:32:10] <node> one's sufferes from schizophrenia
[01:32:14] <DaaT> then travel all around the world for a year or two
[01:32:17] <DaaT> after that... who knows
[01:32:20] <node> cool
[01:32:28] <node> you wouldnt donate
[01:32:37] <DaaT> yep, i would
[01:32:39] <node> try to save people of the same kind
[01:32:40] <node> could
[01:32:42] <node> cool
[01:32:59] <node> yeah really man, we do live in a sick and twisted world
[01:33:09] <DaaT> tell me about it
[01:33:17] <[Beta]> I'd visit northern ireland, then Redmond.
[01:33:44] <node> i feel like coming on to chat just to share these beleifs... and though coming to this chat and being a waste of time is still questionable
[01:33:49] <node> thats cool
[01:33:55] <DaaT> aaT>	a world is definitely twisted when coders like slaad can draw without being punished
[01:33:56] <node> ive never been out of the east cost
[01:33:57] <DaaT> :P
[01:33:59] <node> coast*
[01:34:12] <[Beta]> shame node
[01:34:14] <slaad> Haha
[01:34:22] <DaaT> i've travelled a bit but want to travel muuuch more
[01:34:27] <DaaT> slaad ;) had to
[01:34:38] <slaad> It's okay, I know, you're just jealous of my innate talents.
[01:34:49] <node> but, there are people that lived in nyc from when their an infant and then never get to leave and just end up living on the streets :-/
[01:34:54] <DaaT> you got me slaad
[01:35:04] <node> its partially inate i feel
[01:35:13] <node> some is influenced
[01:35:24] <[Beta]> i've only been to 4 other EU countries, want to visit them all before I die
[01:35:25] <node> but alot of it i have to say is inate or natural
[01:35:50] <node> i fear death everyday :-/
[01:35:56] <node> but i guess im just a weak person
[01:36:06] <node> have you ever had a bad trip?
[01:36:18] <DaaT> node, why fear death?
[01:36:21] <DaaT> it'll happen someday
[01:36:27] <DaaT> just enjoy lif before it happens
[01:36:27] <[Beta]> nah
[01:36:29] <DaaT> life
[01:36:48] <DaaT> if not, you'll spend life fearing death
[01:36:48] <[Beta]> I was in a cablecar in switzerland, and my hearing completely went for the entire time I was in the valley
[01:36:51] <DaaT> and you won't enjoy it
[01:37:01] <[Beta]> my ears didnt take the pressure change too well :)
[01:37:08] <DaaT> [Beta] :)
[01:38:38] <node> because i feel as though ive been poisoned since a year ago ... i had a bad trip on some laced weed.. . month later shit came back on and off for 6months its not as strong now but i also found out i have hypothyroidsm and i feel worse than i ever did before, and ive read alot of horror stories on people getting their limbs amputated because of wrong diagnosis with medications such as harmone additives, and the past 3months i just want to heal my
[01:38:38] <node> upper back and neck... i mean worse comes to worse id be more than happy to live a long life in a wheel chair instead of die at an early age... doctors cant help there asses
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[01:40:09] <node> but... im just being selfish i guess, alot of people have problems
[01:40:36] <DaaT> one worries about one's life
[01:40:39] <node> i have to admit... that problems are my main drive for some sort of success
[01:40:46] <[Beta]> I ate some seaweed yesterday for new year
[01:40:49] <DaaT> though there's always someone in worse conditions than us
[01:40:58] <node> true...
[01:41:03] <node> and i want to be able to help them
[01:41:13] <node> but first i have to help myself :-(
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[01:41:29] <slaad> reref.
[01:41:58] * DaaT high 5's the voidster
[01:42:08] <DaaT> as you should node
[01:42:24] <node> yeah what do you guys feel about the war in iraq
[01:42:38] <DaaT> crap
[01:42:39] <node> its such a paradox
[01:42:40] <node> i know
[01:42:58] <[Beta]> It needed to happen, just didnt get planned at all, and wasnt done in the way it should've
[01:43:09] <node> yeah
[01:43:15] <node> i totally agree
[01:43:20] <node> its just a mistake :-(
[01:43:22] <fyysik> probably it will help to reduce US internal and external debts...
[01:43:42] <node> yeah right
[01:43:44] <[Beta]> doubt it.. look at their internal debts now
[01:43:52] <node> haha its messed up
[01:44:02] * fyysik is in sarcastic mode
[01:44:07] <node> taking away ss unless you were fifty years of age or older
[01:44:09] <@voidref> bush has screwed the US on this whole thing
[01:44:36] <node> yeah i have to agree with everyone on some parts
[01:44:51] <node> but bush has really screwed up with alot of things...
[01:45:10] <node> trying to add viagra to medicade
[01:45:28] <node> money shouldnt go towards sex...
[01:45:43] <mmadia> money *always* goes towards sex.
[01:45:47] <node> well i dont know... i mean they should instead have condoms go towards medicade
[01:45:53] <node> yeah your probably right
[01:45:57] <node> but it shouldnt :-(
[01:46:12] <node> and or plastic surgery unless its to save a life
[01:46:27] <mmadia> node do you mean governmental money or one's personal finances?
[01:46:43] <node> governmental
[01:47:31] <mmadia> well, personal finances always goto sex.... unless you're married, in which point it goes to making sure the lass doesnt leave w/half your stuff :-)
[01:47:40] <node> but we all pay taxes... so that goes towards governmental money,,,,, i heard that we're killing wild horses in the west and selling it as packaged meat to the europeans
[01:47:55] <node> haha
[01:48:03] <DaaT> hehehe mmadia
[01:48:39] <DaaT> node, mmadia has a point... guys always pay for sex, either directly (hookers) or indirectly (gf)
[01:48:42] <node> anyone beleive any crazy shit will happen in our lifetime
[01:48:49] <node> hahaha
[01:49:11] <[Beta]> node, you believe everything you hear ?
[01:49:24] <[Beta]> We might like your horses, so dont diss it ;)
[01:49:27] <node> im kinda scared some bad eccological disaster will occure, some natural disaster
[01:49:52] <mmadia> what do you mean *will* occur?   many have occured and continue to do so :)
[01:49:57] <node> kinda like the tsunami
[01:50:03] <DaaT> node, not to be mean, but how do you leave your bed? You're afraid of everything!
[01:50:14] <node> haha no man
[01:50:19] <node> i can deal with my fears
[01:50:37] <mmadia> afa the US goes (as i dont watch weather reports for other countries)   hurricanes in FL,  massive flooding of the mid-west last spring, ...
[01:50:38] <node> im just saying that these possibilities are a 5:10
[01:51:19] <mmadia> 5:10 as in "it could happen"  and "it won't happen"  ?
[01:51:27] <node> but... im saying if a massive disaster in more than one area of the world occurs
[01:51:43] <DaaT> you're always considering the possibilities, probabilities, "what ifs"... forget about it... worrying like hell won't make something happen or not happen
[01:51:55] <node> yeah your right lol
[01:52:11] <node> i guess i just needed that support thanks
[01:52:34] <DaaT> you need a good smack, that's what you need :)
[01:52:39] <node> hahahaha
[01:52:40] <mmadia> DaaT there are theories that consciousness physically influences reality,  ( as far as believing X will happen )
[01:52:57] <DaaT> mmadia, i know
[01:53:00] <DaaT> still...
[01:53:01] <node> yeah... i used to think i controlled the weather mind over matter
[01:54:07] <node> id want it to become sunny and 60degreees in the north east during january and it used to but... i can see it was just a lil dillusional to beleive that it was me i mean... if it was anyone they'd go insane
[01:54:31] <node> of course i know that i was high on tylenol those days
[01:54:36] <node> very very ugly lifestyle
[01:55:21] * mmadia believes everyone's insane, only the sane don't recognize it.
[01:55:32] <node> yeah true
[01:55:42] <node> i beleive that also in a way
[01:55:49] <node> but if you can control it while being aware...
[01:56:11] <DaaT> i wouldn't be surprised mmadia
[01:56:16] <node> yeah life can be seen as an illusion
[01:56:24] <node> depends on how you look at everyday life i guess
[01:56:47] <node> like... people have tight scheduals and they go home watch tv go out be entertained go to work etc...
[01:57:15] <node> its just survival... they only care about themselves... and when they have the money thats all that they care about
[01:57:23] <node> but.. its not their fault...
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[01:58:49] <node> everyone is kinda blind... but thats how its suppose to be otherwise it'd be really alien to go against tradition of your past
[01:59:18] <node> im so blind.... i  scare myself sometimes just thinking about it
[02:00:02] <node> i hate my ego...... ... did i say i woops
[02:00:13] <node> i gotta stop talking,, sorry
[02:01:28] <DaaT> :)
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[02:05:15] <node> yeah but its good to be still in both worlds, or at least try to be in societies 'norm' and still be able to understand beyond 'norm'
[02:05:57] <DaaT> norm is overrated
[02:06:02] <DaaT> and with that thought... night
[02:06:04] <node> i just want good for everyone thats all
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[02:49:40] * fyysik wonders what for MS needs to acquire second antivirus company
[02:49:48] <fyysik> they bought RAV already
[02:50:01] <fyysik> and now Sybari
[02:51:06] <desidaerius504> they are doing it because they can and for no other reason. "If you cant beat em, buy them"
[02:54:10] <slaad> I imagine they'll integrate their technology into the whole "Windows Security Center" thing.
[02:54:20] <slaad> Which I see as a pretty good thing for end users and teh intraweb as a whole.
[03:17:32] <fyysik> slaad - dreams, deams, dreams. There is russian sentense:
[03:17:41] <slaad> Being?
[03:17:56] <fyysik> "They had wish to do better, but it happened as always"
[03:18:12] <fyysik> did you read about Symantec thing?
[03:18:34] <fyysik> Thier virus scanner could execute viruse code by self instead disinfecting
[03:18:57] <fyysik> with MS approach to "integration" i'm rather afraid about such things
[03:22:41] <desidaerius504> doesnt mean beans to me... I don't use M$ anymore :-p
[03:32:28] <fyysik> ik>	i use it at work. We have bulk license for F-Secure AV. 1.5 GHz computer after installing it works like it is ~200 MHz
[03:34:52] <desidaerius504> heh
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[04:09:17] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/ (thread_types.h thread.h):
[04:09:17] <CIA-6> Changed the way user/kernel time is tracked for threads. Now, thread_at_kernel_entry()
[04:09:17] <CIA-6> and thread_at_kernel_exit() are always called for userland threads at the appropriate
[04:09:17] <CIA-6> situation (note, I've renamed those from *_atkernel_*).
[04:09:17] <CIA-6> The timing should be more accurate this way, and the thread::last_time_type field
[04:09:18] <CIA-6> is no longer needed: all interrupts are now added to the kernel time (where the
[04:09:19] <CIA-6> time is actually spent).
[04:10:36] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[04:10:36] <CIA-6> Changed the way user/kernel time is tracked for threads. Now, thread_at_kernel_entry()
[04:10:36] <CIA-6> and thread_at_kernel_exit() are always called for userland threads at the appropriate
[04:10:36] <CIA-6> situation (note, I've renamed those from *_atkernel_*).
[04:10:36] <CIA-6> The timing should be more accurate this way, and the thread::last_time_type field
[04:10:37] <CIA-6> is no longer needed: all interrupts are now added to the kernel time (where the
[04:10:38] <CIA-6> time is actually spent).
[04:11:36] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/boot/partitions.h: Added partition type constants for HFS/HFS+ file systems.
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[04:18:22] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/add-ons/translators/icotranslator/ICO.cpp: Reading 24 bit images was broken - thanks to BiPolar for finding and reporting this.
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[04:38:30] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/add-ons/translators/icotranslator/ (ICO.cpp ICO.h ICOTranslator.cpp ICOTranslator.h):
[04:38:31] <CIA-6> Added support for the "/documentCount" and "/documentIndex" extension used
[04:38:31] <CIA-6> by the TIFF translator. Thanks again to BiPolar for the note about this.
[04:39:28] <MikeW> heres a hardware one guys:
[04:40:46] <MikeW> If a mobo will take pc100 ram, and if I insert 1 stick of pc133 cl3 and one stick of 256mhz cl2.5, should they both work together in the board?
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[04:51:27] <@geist> MikeW: no
[04:51:35] <@geist> because the cl2.5 implies it's DDR
[04:51:44] <@geist> which as far as I know wont work on a SDR slot
[04:51:55] <@geist> however the pc133 should work okay
[05:05:27] <MikeW> arse
[05:05:31] <MikeW> I just bought it
[05:06:34] <MikeW> from ebay
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[05:16:54] <MikeW> hmm, which is preferable, eec or non-eec
[05:18:15] <desidaerius504> how do you take a screen capture in BeOS R5?
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[05:36:00] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/add-ons/translators/icotranslator/ICOTranslator.cpp: Identify() returned wrong MIME type.
[05:37:16] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/apps/bin/translate.cpp:
[05:37:16] <CIA-6> If update_mime_info() could not determine the MIME type, it now just set
[05:37:16] <CIA-6> the information it has from the translator itself. Maybe this functionality
[05:37:16] <CIA-6> should be done in the Translation Kit as well if the output stream is a file.
[05:46:29] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/Jamrules: Fixed UseArchHeaders.
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[05:51:23] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/tools/gensyscalls/ (gensyscallinfos.cpp gensyscalls.h): We now also store the names of syscall parameters. This is used for strace. Well, not yet, but it would make a nice extension. :-)
[05:53:46] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/tools/gensyscalls/ (Jamfile gensyscalls.cpp):
[05:53:46] <CIA-6> We generate two more files now: A simple array with the kernel function
[05:53:46] <CIA-6> pointers and overall parameters size for the kernel and some more
[05:53:46] <CIA-6> sophisticated code for strace.
[05:54:50] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/headers/private/kernel/ksyscalls.h: Export an array of static syscall infos generated by gensyscalls.
[05:56:26] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/kernel/core/syscalls.c: Include the syscall info array generated by gensyscalls.
[05:57:52] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/kernel/core/Jamfile: Explicitly declare the inclusion of the syscall table file generated by gensyscalls.
[06:00:50] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/kernel/core/user_debugger.cpp:
[06:00:50] <CIA-6> * Turned off debug output.
[06:00:50] <CIA-6> * The syscall arguments are copied into the respective messages to the
[06:00:50] <CIA-6> debugger now.
[06:00:50] <CIA-6> * Optimized the nub thread memory reading command. Now only as many bytes
[06:00:51] <CIA-6> are sent to the debugger as were actually read.
[06:02:37] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/apps/bin/ (Jamfile strace.cpp): Moved strace sources into subdirectory.
[06:08:57] <@geist> woo
[06:09:02] <@geist> my Zeta cd showed up today
[06:09:10] <@geist> might be time to get into some of this haiku dev
[06:13:37] <MikeW> :o)
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[09:33:15] <@geist> hmm, running Zeta
[09:33:21] <@geist> haven't messed with beos in years
[09:33:34] <matricks> good feeling or bad feeling?
[09:33:50] <@geist> thus far not real great
[09:33:53] <@geist> but mostly zeta stuff
[09:34:10] <matricks> from what I've heard many ppl don't like Zeta
[09:34:45] <@geist> yeah it's just flaky
[09:34:55] * mmu_man readies the trout
[09:35:12] <@geist> trying to enable some sort of remote login thing
[09:35:22] <@geist> the pref panel doesn't seem to actually activate telnet
[09:35:50] <matricks> ssh perhaps? :)
[09:36:00] <@geist> I should try that too
[09:36:20] <@geist> hmm, guess this is running BONE
[09:37:14] <@mmu_man> of course
[09:37:18] <@geist> plus the 3d starchart app is stuck on
[09:37:21] <@geist> okay, time to reboot
[09:37:45] <@geist> wow, sitting next to my G5 running os x it feels old
[09:37:57] <@geist> not really fair of course, the g5 is like 5x as fast
[09:38:03] <@geist> and 15x as much memory
[09:38:26] <@mmu_man> :^)
[09:38:45] <@geist> oh it's only using one of the cpus in this machine. should fix that
[09:38:59] <@geist> the g5 is probably about 10x as fast right now then
[09:39:23] <@mmu_man> geist smp was off because some bloody cpus made it panic
[09:39:27] <@mmu_man> (some p4 IIRC)
[09:39:50] <@mmu_man> when will intel & amd not release cpus before fixing bugs ??
[09:40:08] <@geist> what's the bug?
[09:40:17] <@geist> ah good, got telnet
[09:41:11] <@mmu_man> you should have sshd also, but it has some issues still, need to disable syslog since it makes it crash badly
[09:41:17] <@geist> ah
[09:41:25] <@mmu_man> and if you don't have teh latest kernel it stales on a pipe ni select()
[09:41:28] <@geist> where's the system config (where I can set the smp stuff)
[09:41:36] <@geist> I should remember this, but it's been so long
[09:41:44] <@mmu_man> (I mean disable sshd logging to syslog)
[09:41:57] <@mmu_man> ~/config/settings/kernel/drivers/kernel
[09:42:34] <@mmu_man> brb, shower
[09:42:50] <@geist> oh man I forgot how nice it was to just sync and reset the machine
[09:43:17] <@mmu_man> hehe
[09:43:24] <@mmu_man> doesn't work on mac ? :p
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[09:43:34] <@mmu_man> sometimes I use shutdown -r -q
[09:43:44] <@geist> oh that's right. I forgot precisely what the syntax ws
[09:44:01] <@geist> okay, got both cpus now
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[14:04:29] <CIA-3> korli * current/src/kernel/libroot/os/debug.c: _sPrintf implemented
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[16:54:39] <tqh> damn.
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[19:25:31] <fyysik> seen tqh
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[21:55:25] <tqh> fyysik I found some nsAppShell and CallMethod speedups while working on nsToolkit, using suspendThread is better than using a syncsem (which might resume the wrong thread)
[21:57:08] <tqh> I have a patch if you want it.
[22:02:01] <desidaerius504> anyone know of any effort of either porting OpenOffice to BeOS/Haiku or a more recent iteration of AbiWOrd than what is available through BeBits?
[22:02:58] <tqh> I'm not sure but I think OpenOffice uses Java in it's build-system.
[22:04:35] <desidaerius504> you can opt to configure it without Java- at least in the Linux version I have on my Linux system
[22:05:05] <desidaerius504> I like AbiWord, but I cant change text color in any documents or I get a segment violation :-p
[22:05:20] <tqh> Well it's just simething I've heard.
[22:05:55] <tqh> Dunno what happened with the BeOS port, they were talking about removing the BeOS-code.
[22:06:09] <tqh> Abiword that is.
[22:06:42] <desidaerius504> what word processor do you use?
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[22:10:46] <tqh> word processor, hmm. I don't use one, although I own a copy of GoBe Productive.
[22:11:24] <@geist> it's mmu_man!
[22:11:30] <desidaerius504> any idea how much it costs?
[22:12:21] <@mmu_man> what did I do ?
[22:12:47] <tqh> no, I bought it a long time ago when I bought R5.
[22:12:50] <@mmu_man> no I didnt break the build :p
[22:13:07] <tqh> mmu_man but you probably will :P
[22:13:32] <@mmu_man> wish I had more time to do it :)
[22:13:35] <desidaerius504> hmmm i may have to see if purplus has it available. Thats where I got my copy of 5.03 Pro
[22:14:23] <tqh> It's a cool program, if you don't need to good word-compability
[22:15:16] <desidaerius504> nah, if I have to save soemthing so someone with word can use it, I save it as either rtf or html
[22:15:33] <desidaerius504> most people I tell them to get OpenOffice and round-file MS Word :-p
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[23:40:43] <fyysik> tqh - i#m very glad you get enough power to touch all that nsAppShell/Toolkit part!
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[23:47:12] <tqh> well funny, but I enjoy that sort of stuff.
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[23:47:47] <Koki> hey tqh, downloading your test build right now.
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[23:50:03] <tqh> Koki Ah I'm under the impression it's quite nice, but you get speed-blind when you also are doing the coding cause you want it to be faster.
[23:50:42] <fyysik> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html
[23:50:50] <jonaskirilla> tqh: mozilla?
[23:51:06] <fyysik> it seems that BeOS is faster platfom for Mozilla cold start (for me)
[23:51:37] <jonaskirilla> I think it starts pretty fast
[23:51:40] <tqh> jonaskirilla Firefox
[23:52:35] <jonaskirilla> how far apart are they?
[23:52:42] <jonaskirilla> FF and mozilla?
[23:52:51] <tqh> I can package a mozilla with exactly same source as well.
[23:52:56] <fyysik> startup code is different for sure:)
[23:53:22] <tqh> yes, rendering seems to be different as well.
[23:53:37] <fyysik> that's strange
[23:53:47] <fyysik> as they use exactly same gecko
[23:55:08] <tqh> fyysik well seems a bit faster, so maybe how it's called or set up.
[23:55:43] <tqh> anyway with mozilla package it's up for comparison.
[23:56:43] <fyysik> about bug - Bug 281375
[23:56:59] <tqh> yes
[23:57:07] <jonaskirilla> I trick the latest mozilla to launch from the binary.
[23:57:18] <fyysik> only issue that we since now should take care ourselves abpit all happening in xpfe/bootstrap
[23:57:36] <fyysik> s/abpit/about
[23:57:59] <jonaskirilla> it's ugly but it works.. lib symlinked to .. and all contents of components copied to the app folder
[23:58:15] <jonaskirilla> I think it used to work with only the lib -> ..
[23:58:47] <tqh> fyysik Don't think our nsNativeAppSupport will change interface much.
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[23:59:45] <jonaskirilla> fyysik: I often get issues with addons.. Tracker addons, MDR addons, won't load.. Is this related to Mozilla in any way, it using so many addons, I mean.





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