February 9, 2005  
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[03:54:32] <MikeW> nasty, all my java compiles fail
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[05:27:26] <bryan_W> eep
[05:27:58] <Soulbender> rocking
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[06:49:32] <pestil> my boo my boo my boo hoo
[06:50:02] <pestil> mmadia:  here?
[06:50:06] <pestil> or anybone?
[06:51:27] <mmadia> hi pestil
[06:51:33] <pestil> hellou!
[06:51:41] <mmadia> hi.
[06:51:48] <pestil> I have been meaning to ask a haiku question
[06:52:23] <pestil> It's a question that's in the FAQ, but the answer is not complete enough for me.
[06:52:58] <mmadia> k.
[06:54:08] <pestil> I understand that Tracker is open source. So is Deskbar. And app_server has been finished. And a bunch of stuff is already made. So... What are the big things missing from Haiku?
[06:54:18] <pestil> answer not in FAQ
[06:54:54] <mmadia> app_server, kernel,  networking_kit,  are the major chunks that have the longest road to go.
[06:55:30] <pestil> oh, I thought app_server was done. Wasn't the networking thing grabbed from BSD? Isn't kernel the NewOS one?
[06:55:43] <mmadia> other items that still need work, media kit, input kit, ...... not sure what else.
[06:56:17] <mmadia> oh no, app_server still has a ways to go.  it has significant progress, jsut nothnig thta can be used as an R5 replacment yet.
[06:56:28] <pestil> oh.
[06:56:48] <pestil> what is the approximate size of the current team of volunteers?
[06:56:59] <mmadia> iirc, the network was taken from BSD, but there's still things that need to be done .. . integrating it into the BeAPI and other components.
[06:57:56] <mmadia> there's 1 main person working on the kernel,  about 3 main people on the app_server,   one of the networking kit devs left eariler this month.
[06:58:18] <pestil> left as in, left for vacations, or as in left for good?
[06:58:20] <mmadia> there are many others, i just dont know an accurate number.
[06:58:50] <pestil> is there a way to donate other than paypal?
[06:58:52] <mmadia> for good...  he said computerswere taking up too much time of his life.
[06:59:10] <mmadia> you can donate through networkforgood.org  ( or something like that )
[06:59:22] <pestil> no, wait! they accept credit cards!
[06:59:37] <pestil> computers were taking too much time of his life??
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[07:00:33] <mmadia> m_eiman about how many active devs would you estimate Haiku has currently?
[07:01:02] <pestil> hello m_eiman
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[07:06:40] <pestil> echo
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[07:07:11] <mmadia> pestil are you a dev?   :)
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[07:07:59] <pestil> humungus how do you make the first capital letter smallr than the rest
[07:09:10] <hUMUNGUs> pestil, ? they are all small here in Vision.
[07:09:18] <pestil> !
[07:09:21] <hUMUNGUs> eh..
[07:09:32] <hUMUNGUs> well, sorry.. just woke up
[07:09:46] <pestil> well good... morning?
[07:10:05] <hUMUNGUs> hehe.. thanks.. its 07:09 AM
[07:10:26] <hUMUNGUs> try a /nick pESTIl
[07:10:31] <hUMUNGUs> or whatever
[07:10:36] <pestil> ok
[07:10:56] <pestil> I'll go dig more haiku stuff. are there forums for this?
[07:11:24] <mmadia> http://haiku-os.org/forums
[07:11:25] <hUMUNGUs> If you run BeOS, try the app BeShare from http://www.bebits.com
[07:11:35] <pestil> okay bye
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[07:11:41] <hUMUNGUs> bye
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[11:29:30] <el_gringo> Ouais ca roule
[11:30:09] <el_gringo> mais heuuh a mon avis c'est pas au bon gringo que tu parles
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[11:34:22] <@Korli> non pourquoi ?
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[11:37:14] <el_gringo> je viens jamais sur IRC d'habitude
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[11:43:44] <el_gringo> is there someone who have news about Blue Eyed OS ?
[11:44:11] <sys2_> that its a stupid idea to continue with it and that they should work on haiku insted? :/
[11:44:35] <slaad> Wow.
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[16:25:35] <jonaskirilla> Does anyone know what nick Christian Packmann uses, or if he's ever here?
[16:27:30] <jonaskirilla> Korli: I successfully built TagLib with -fmultiple-symbol-spaces, but it didn't prevent it from crashing
[16:28:43] <jonaskirilla> it uses a lot of STL
[16:28:50] <jonaskirilla> if that matters
[16:31:43] <jonaskirilla> if there's anyone here who wants to take a look, taglib and the Army Knife work in progress is in BeUnited's cvs
[16:31:46] <jonaskirilla> export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous at code dot beunited.org:/cvs/flipside
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[16:32:10] <jonaskirilla> you need Oliver's new gcc to build it
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[16:32:47] <Lebuzzer> jonaskirilla
[16:32:59] <Lebuzzer> I see you are persuing the issue here.  :-)
[16:32:59] <jonaskirilla> Lebuzzer: heya
[16:33:21] <jonaskirilla> yeah, I really want to use TagLib, it's got great functionality and the API is nice
[16:33:41] <jonaskirilla> plus, it works on BSD, like I said
[16:34:00] <Lebuzzer> jonaskirilla needs some better porting apparently eh?
[16:34:18] <jonaskirilla> so there must be something wrong in how its built on BeOS, or in the BeOS libraries or in the gcc stuff
[16:34:53] <jonaskirilla> Lebuzzer: the thing is it compiles just fine, and for the most part it works great
[16:35:11] <Lebuzzer> jonaskirilla Have you checked the points?  Plugs?  Carburator?
[16:35:28] <jonaskirilla> the points?
[16:35:29] <Lebuzzer> Maybe the gasline is blocked?
[16:35:34] <jonaskirilla> heh
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[16:36:44] <jonaskirilla> there are a few sample apps included with TagLib, command-line stuff, and the relevant one, tagwrite too crashes on BeOS in the same way Army Knife does
[16:37:45] <Lebuzzer> Are the tires all well-inflated?
[16:38:04] <Lebuzzer> If crashes are a problem, I'd recommend strong bumpers and an airbag.
[16:38:09] <Lebuzzer> sorry, I'll stop now.
[16:38:24] <jonaskirilla> thanks :)
[16:38:28] <Lebuzzer> hehe
[16:38:42] <Lebuzzer> I just wish I could provide any insight, but programming is not a Dane thing.  :-)
[16:39:03] <jonaskirilla> but you sure are good at enlisting the help of others! :)
[16:39:11] <jonaskirilla> I wish I had some of that voodoo
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[16:40:10] <@Korli> jonaskirilla did you try to bdb the app
[16:40:11] <@Korli> ?
[16:41:20] <jonaskirilla> good suggestion, is -DDEBUG sufficient to build anything with debugging info?
[16:41:35] <@mmu_man> -g
[16:41:49] <jonaskirilla> ah, cool
[16:42:18] <@Korli> it should help
[16:42:26] <jonaskirilla> so export CXXFLAGS=-g should do it
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[17:02:44] <CIA-6> korli * current/src/kernel/libroot/os/debug.c: implemented _xdebugPrintf and _debugPrintf
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[18:20:27] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/apps/consoled/ (consoled.cpp Jamfile main.c):
[18:20:27] <CIA-6> Renamed main.c to console.cpp and link it against libbe.so
[18:20:27] <CIA-6> (in anticipation of future changes).
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[18:53:40] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/apps/consoled/consoled.cpp:
[18:53:40] <CIA-6> Support for the input_server (R5 style) instead of using the (old) keyboard driver
[18:53:40] <CIA-6> directly, done by Jerome Duval.
[18:53:40] <CIA-6> When the USE_INPUT_SERVER constant is defined, it will try to get its input from
[18:53:40] <CIA-6> there. Currently disabled since it's not yet working.
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[18:56:34] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/libroot/os/driver_settings.c:
[18:56:34] <CIA-6> Fixed kernel version of load_driver_setting(): the lock was not properly
[18:56:34] <CIA-6> released under certain conditions.
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[19:08:20] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_crtc.c: reverting to software retrace-sync for cursor position updates on pre-GeForce cards: it turns out there's no hardware sync here after all.
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[19:19:33] <fyysik> hi
[19:19:45] <fyysik> what is URL of IM Kit ?
[19:19:53] <fyysik> looking at beclan
[19:19:57] <fyysik> but cannot find
[19:21:38] <Koki> http://eiman.tv/imkit/
[19:21:56] <fyysik> 10x
[19:22:03] <sys2> 10x?
[19:22:23] <tqh> http://beclan.org/show_project.php?id=3
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[19:29:08] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/add-ons/translators/icotranslator/ConfigView.cpp: Added some not-yet-connected configuration check boxes.
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[21:25:36] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_general.c: added updated acc engine constraints for DMA use (mode validation). Version of driver is now 0.36.
[21:29:19] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/ (UPDATE.html nv.settings): updated fixes documentation. DMA acceleration is now the default, previously it was PIO mode: DMA now works (much) better than PIO mode overall... :-)
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[22:52:35] <CIA-6> korli * current/src/add-ons/input_server/devices/keyboard/ (Jamfile TMWindow.cpp): haiku build
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[23:04:35] <Ortyx> YO!!!
[23:04:37] <Ortyx> it's been a while
[23:04:51] <Ortyx> what kan haiku do nowadays
[23:04:59] <Methe> french fries
[23:05:02] <Methe> with ketcup
[23:05:03] <@mmu_man> boot :p
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[23:05:12] <Methe> kikoo mmu_man
[23:05:24] <Ortyx> french fries is good.. windows can't even make coffe
[23:05:39] <Ortyx> It could boot back when I last checked as well
[23:05:45] <Ortyx> but not on hardware.. I think
[23:05:51] <Ortyx> no graphical apps yet ?
[23:06:04] <Ortyx> app server still slow in progress ?
[23:06:18] <Methe> 18 <Methe>	1 peep added to the team
[23:06:23] <Methe> and committed nice stuffs
[23:06:31] <Methe> but yeah still slow
[23:06:44] <Methe> like a bit kernel
[23:06:53] <Methe> vut everything else is almost here
[23:07:12] <Ortyx> was that person from the blue eyes project ?
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[23:07:23] <Ortyx> methe: sounds cool
[23:07:36] <Ortyx> most other kits are > 50% done ?
[23:07:41] <Methe> yeah
[23:07:44] <Methe> definitely
[23:07:49] <Ortyx> cool.. even the game kit ?
[23:07:55] <Methe> uhuh
[23:07:57] <Methe> :)
[23:08:00] <Methe> I dunno about it
[23:08:05] <Ortyx> damn.. shit's getting exciting
[23:08:09] <Methe> everything is taken from mesa or sthing
[23:08:23] <Ortyx> but no graphical apps run yet.. even little simple ones ?
[23:08:31] <Ortyx> sthing ?
[23:08:36] <Ortyx> mesa's niuce
[23:08:37] <Methe> well
[23:08:50] <Methe> the>	the biggest thing that lately happen is Jave and Swing
[23:09:04] <Ortyx> ooh.. are they released ?
[23:09:44] <Methe> http://haikunews.org/?id=959
[23:09:48] <Methe> see by yourself the video
[23:09:57] <mmadia> nope.  the java implementation needs to be certified by sun 1st.
[23:10:18] <Ortyx> aah.. .that might take a while, ey ?
[23:10:38] <Methe> but code is here and working
[23:10:40] <Methe> see the video
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[23:16:53] <Ortyx> cool
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