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[00:02:51] <DaaT> axeld!
[00:02:59] <@axeld> Hi DaaT!
[00:03:03] <@axeld> How are you?
[00:03:05] <DaaT> how's it going?
[00:03:07] <lemon> helo )
[00:03:08] <DaaT> i'm ok thx
[00:03:09] <DaaT> ok
[00:03:12] <DaaT> oops
[00:03:13] <DaaT> :)
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[00:15:43] <NathanW> Does anyone here know things about apche?
[00:15:45] <NathanW> apache
[00:16:08] <NathanW> I'm being driven up a wall by mod_rewrite
[00:16:34] <DaaT> zathras should be able to help you
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[00:32:19] <CIA-6> korli * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/input/ps2_hid/ (Jamfile keyboard.c): now builds as a haiku target
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[00:33:21] <sys2> anything more of haiku operational ? :>
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[00:38:14] <CIA-6> korli * current/src/add-ons/input_server/devices/keyboard/Jamfile: haiku build
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[00:42:35] <@Korli> hmm haiku booting to white empty screen :-Z
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[00:44:09] <TuneTracker> Anybody...  Which Intel processors and at what speeds, are ok with BeOS?
[00:45:43] <@axeld> TuneTracker: any?
[00:45:53] <@axeld> TuneTracker: depends on the amount of hacks you install
[00:48:22] <TuneTracker> axeld Let's say then, hack-free support?
[00:49:13] <@axeld> TuneTracker: I am not sure, but I think if you go that far, it may rule out anything after a P3
[00:49:23] <@axeld> TuneTracker: Zeta should be better, though
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[00:49:44] <TuneTracker> axeld Ok, we're actually dealing with a Zeta machine, so I'll check on it from that angle then.
[00:49:49] <TuneTracker> Thanks
[00:49:54] <@axeld> TuneTracker: I am thinking of the P4 timing driver, btw
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[00:52:54] <TuneTracker> axeld Right, there were issues with timing on some of the higher end ones.  I'm trying to steer someone toward something safe in the Intel line.  Would you say an Intel P3, 1.7 ghz would be a safe bet?  Are they still sold as P3s?
[00:53:31] <TuneTracker> Or I should say, are P3s still available off-the-shelf?
[00:54:35] <@axeld> Sorry, I've no idea
[00:54:54] <@axeld> I'm just almost sure that you can get them to run almost perfectly
[00:54:57] <@axeld> :)
[00:55:09] <CIA-6> korli * current/src/kits/interface/interface.src: added ListItem.cpp and ListView.cpp
[00:55:15] <MikeW> hmm, what about celeron Ds that are supposed to be based off the p4 chip?
[01:01:23] <@geist> hi axeld
[01:02:45] <@axeld> Hi geist!
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[01:26:12] <CIA-6> korli * current/makehdimage: added input_server, keyboard addon, ps2_hid
[01:27:06] <MikeW> \o/
[01:27:11] <MikeW> tic: tock?
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[01:27:56] <MikeW> I just bought a dual processor board
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[01:28:35] <MikeW> abit BP8 with 2 533mhz celerons
[01:28:47] <lemon> cool
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[01:30:25] <MikeW> will get a few other components and finally be able to have a machine I can compile haiku stuff into rather than worry about wrecking my windows partitions
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[01:31:51] <MikeW> now need to get a gfx card
[01:32:00] <agentmumu> damn it, a friend just dropped by to show me world of warcraft, but i didn't have enough harddisk space, so he made me deleting my porn collection and half-life 2. now guess what! the beta test is over.... great
[01:32:11] <slaad> Heh.
[01:32:38] <MikeW> flip, I forgot I need ram too
[01:32:45] <slaad> I want to sell my copy if you're interested, agentmumu... although, it's for the AU/NZ/US servers
[01:33:33] <agentmumu> oh, i'm located in austria, so....
[01:33:51] <desidaerius504> agentmumu, no backup cd? :-p
[01:33:54] <slaad> Yeah, not sure if the copy makes any difference. But the account might.
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[01:34:55] <jonaskirilla> hi
[01:35:20] <slaad> jonaskirilla
[01:35:22] <@axeld> Hi jonaskirilla
[01:35:32] <jonaskirilla> I've sent an inquiry to the DeskCalc makers asking if they're willing to donate DeskCalc
[01:36:02] <jonaskirilla> it's MIT/BSD except for two files that limit it to BeOS-systems only, and legally Haiku isn't BeOS
[01:36:25] <slaad> How does that work, jonaskirilla?
[01:36:37] <jonaskirilla> slaad: sorry?
[01:36:46] <slaad> The two files that limit it to BeOS only?
[01:37:07] <jonaskirilla> there's a special license that the Parser.cpp and .h are released under
[01:37:31] <lemon> so, rewrite them ...
[01:37:35] <slaad> Ah
[01:37:36] <jonaskirilla> Licensing:
[01:37:36] <jonaskirilla> This code is BeOS community-ware. License to use this code in whole or in part in BeOS programs is free, provided that any improvements made to it are sent to me within 30 days so that I may update the code for use by the rest of the parsing world. License to use this code on non-BeOS systems may only be obtained directly from the author, Ian Ollmann, on a case by case basis. Individuals are free to redistribut
[01:37:36] <jonaskirilla> this Licensing message and the accompanying README file are distributed with it.
[01:37:39] <desidaerius504> anyway of replacing them with your own versions?
[01:38:35] <slaad> Interesting.
[01:39:02] <jonaskirilla> the code doesn't look too hairy, but I asked them to consider placing these two under MIT as the rest of the code
[01:39:03] <agentmumu> flummy: ja aber ich fahr jetzt mit dem daniel zum maci
[01:39:13] <agentmumu> argl, wrong window
[01:39:14] <agentmumu> again...
[01:39:29] <jonaskirilla> they seem to be into MacOS X anyway, so perhaps they're just happy to get rid of it.. who knows :)
[01:40:32] <jonaskirilla> axeld: a truncate feature would be great for DiskProbe, don't you think?
[01:41:01] <@axeld> jonaskirilla: in both directions, yes - I just didn't want it to do for R1 :-)
[01:41:09] <desidaerius504> Will Haiku have disk degramentation capabilities?
[01:41:11] <@axeld> (so that there is still room for enhancements ;-))
[01:41:15] <desidaerius504> defrag, sorry
[01:41:22] <jonaskirilla> axeld: from the front as well as from the back, you mean?
[01:41:30] <@axeld> desidaerius504: definitely one day, but I don't at the time R1 hits the doors
[01:41:42] <jonaskirilla> disk degradation capabilities.. ;)
[01:41:46] <desidaerius504> (the blood level in my caffeine stream is too high :-p )
[01:41:59] <@axeld> jonaskirilla: no, shrinking and growing - truncate == shrinking for me :-)
[01:42:10] <jonaskirilla> axeld: oh, growing..right
[01:42:35] <jonaskirilla> I thought of truncating from 0-x, x-y, and x-EOF
[01:43:46] <@axeld> Ah, you were even farer away from the ftruncate() API than me :-))
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[01:45:40] <jonaskirilla> I've never had to venture too far into pure C land
[01:46:19] <jonaskirilla> but the time has come to leave C++ behind.. it's C diet from now on... ;)
[01:47:28] <@axeld> jonaskirilla: say goodbye to happiness - and hello to mmu_man ;-))
[01:47:42] <jonaskirilla> heh :))
[01:48:01] <jonaskirilla> sigh
[01:48:16] <jonaskirilla> I've got problems with Army Knife.. the library I'm integrating is acting up
[01:49:02] <jonaskirilla> it's called TagLib, and it's supposed to be good.
[01:49:04] <jonaskirilla> http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/taglib.html
[01:49:56] <jonaskirilla> but even the sample applications crash on some operations
[01:50:08] <jonaskirilla> not sure if it could be BeOS-related
[01:54:32] <@axeld> jonaskirilla: probably depends on how you ported it :-)
[01:54:49] <jonaskirilla> well, configure; make
[01:55:05] <jonaskirilla> no special voodoo necessary
[01:55:13] <jonaskirilla> that I know of, at least :]
[01:56:37] <@axeld> jonaskirilla: can also be BeOS specific, depending on which parts of libstdc++ and libroot it needs. Are you using Oliver's libstdc++?
[01:56:38] <slaad> What sort of crashing are you getting?
[01:56:38] <jonaskirilla> reading mp3 and ogg tags are working great, as well as writing them.. it's when writing empty strings it crashes.. for some reason unknown to me.. the stack crawl is like 3 or 4 calls into TagLib, so I don't think it's my source
[01:57:37] <jonaskirilla> here's a stack crawl
[01:57:40] <jonaskirilla> loading symbols
[01:57:40] <jonaskirilla> segment violation occurred
[01:57:41] <jonaskirilla> TagLib::ID3v2::Tag::removeFrame(TagLib::ID3v2::Frame *, bool):
[01:57:41] <jonaskirilla> removeFrame__Q36TagLib5ID3v23TagPQ36TagLib5ID3v25Frameb:
[01:57:42] <jonaskirilla> +00ed  ec77bfd9:   *        04418b    movl    0x00000004(%ecx), %eax
[01:57:43] <jonaskirilla> tagwriter:sc
[01:57:43] <jonaskirilla> frame         retaddr
[01:57:44] <jonaskirilla> fcffc6e4   ec77c066  TagLib::ID3v2::Tag::removeFrames(TagLib::ByteVector const &) + 0000006e
[01:57:46] <jonaskirilla> fcffc724   ec77c5a4  TagLib::ID3v2::Tag::setTextFrame(TagLib::ByteVector const &, TagLib::String const &) + 00000038
[01:57:49] <jonaskirilla> fcffc754   ec77b9dd  TagLib::ID3v2::Tag::setArtist(TagLib::String const &) + 00000039
[01:57:51] <jonaskirilla> fcffc7a4   ec7762ce  TagLib::MPEGTag::setArtist(TagLib::String const &) + 00000042
[01:57:53] <jonaskirilla> fcffc7e4   80001f6c  main + 00000310
[01:57:55] <jonaskirilla> fcffc854   80001765  _start + 00000061
[01:57:57] <jonaskirilla> tagwriter:
[01:59:15] <jonaskirilla> I'm passing in an empty C string to begin with, which the API interprets as removing the tag.. It's supposed to do that, except without crashing.
[01:59:59] <jonaskirilla> axeld: I think I'm using Oliver's libstdc++, but let me check
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[02:01:53] <jonaskirilla> my libstdc++.r4.so is from 04.12.05, so it must be Oliver's
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[02:06:04] <@Korli> jonaskirilla did you try -fmultiple-symbol-spaces ?
[02:07:13] <jonaskirilla> Korli: it's the vanilla TagLib config, not sure what gcc switches it uses
[02:07:14] <@Korli> it shouldn't help anyway
[02:08:09] <jonaskirilla> I'll see if I can spot it.. I have no idea how to add it to those mad configure scripts.
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[02:10:09] <jonaskirilla> I can't grep any 'fmultiple' in the taglib folder, so it's not build using it
[02:10:39] <jonaskirilla> korli quit. hmm.
[02:10:54] <jonaskirilla> it shouldn't help anyway?.. I wonder what he meant
[02:11:09] <jonaskirilla> no use pursuing it?
[02:16:06] <jonaskirilla> I need to get a better understanding of all these tools. :P
[02:16:38] <slaad> Heh.
[02:16:48] <slaad> Who needs to when you have an IRC channel at your disposal? ;)
[02:17:45] <jonaskirilla> people are trying to help, most of the time, but it generally doesn't work out
[02:18:04] <jonaskirilla> the ones who have the skills haven't got time
[02:19:13] <jonaskirilla> generally I try to avoid asking for help
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[12:44:10] <Dr3w> Mornin' folks.
[12:53:28] <Dr3w> What a warm, receptive channel :)
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[13:01:29] <matricks> Dr3w: "hi"
[13:01:38] <matricks> :)
[13:01:52] <Dr3w> heh
[13:02:23] * matricks explores haiku
[13:33:25] <Dr3w> Mmmmmm.... Haiku on a Cell workstation....
[13:33:41] <matricks> :)
[13:33:52] <matricks> everyone is talking about the Cell now :)
[13:34:05] <matricks> I think it will be hard to program for it tho
[13:35:17] <Dr3w> Yeah, trying to think of how it coudl work with Haiku.
[13:36:14] <Dr3w> I suppose graphics, math and other stuff could make use of the vector features.
[13:36:50] <Dr3w> I wonder if all the translators could take advantage of the chip too...
[13:37:35] <matricks> I think a program could query for a apu/spu or what they call it.. and then use it.. abit like dma channels
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[14:08:42] <[Beta]> The Times even had an article 'bout the Cell..
[14:08:59] <sys2> thats a movue fyi
[14:09:00] <sys2> movie
[14:09:19] <[Beta]> the film with J Lo? that wasn't that great.
[14:09:42] <Dr3w> lol that was an awfull movie.
[14:10:34] <[Beta]> I'd quite fancy having a single cell (haha) micro pc on my desk. it'd probably be the size of a usb hub
[14:15:36] <sys2> but her ass is like sent from the gods
[14:15:37] <sys2> :>
[14:19:21] <[Beta]> maybe your gods.. not mine *ick
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[16:13:22] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/add-ons/translators/ (9 files in 2 dirs):
[16:13:22] <CIA-6> Translator for Windows ICO files with read/write support. Not yet complete, but
[16:13:22] <CIA-6> seems to work for all cases I tested it with :)
[16:13:22] <CIA-6> Now you can finally create favicon.ico files under BeOS :))
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[16:25:42] <Dr3w> Cool.
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[16:26:26] <fyysik> anyone has really good SSH package for BeOS?
[16:26:41] <fyysik> cannot checkout/checkin in mozilla now:(
[16:27:07] <fyysik> it requires ssh protocol 2 for cvs, but my ssh seems ignoring config file
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[16:30:50] <@Korli> fyysik can't help
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[17:44:27] <fyysik> people, who uses ssh here under Bone? and which version?
[17:44:54] <w-ber> http://piru.dyndns.org/~p/pics/mbpower1.jpg
[17:46:39] <el_gringo> There is no up to date ssh version on BeOS
[17:47:15] <el_gringo> but I've heard about a new port of ssh made by YellowTab wich is in Zeta Neo
[17:47:28] <w-ber> I was under the impression mmu_man had ported the newest version to Zeta :)
[17:49:23] <el_gringo> but once again ports are not beeing shared
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[17:49:57] <sys2_> that sucks
[17:50:11] <sys2_> arent they using/going to use some haiku part? :>
[17:50:14] <sys2_> if so .. they should share :P
[17:51:03] <sys2_> the difference between lower-case writing and Capitalization is "Helping your uncle jack off a horse" and "Helping your uncle Jack off a horse"
[17:51:20] <agentmumu> hehe
[17:51:33] <tic> w-ber, what's that?
[17:52:43] <Dr3w> Hmmm isn't SSH GPL?
[17:53:07] <w-ber> tic: I don't know, but someone likes to feed more voltage to the motherboard
[17:53:23] <tic> w-ber, :)
[17:53:26] <agentmumu> i bet openssh is mit
[17:54:23] <el_gringo> yeah it's supposed to be open source
[17:54:26] <Dr3w> Ah, its a sorta BSD, contains no SSH.
[17:54:52] <Dr3w> No, there isn't anything wrong with them updating the source and releasing it in Zeta only.  They have to make money.
[17:55:08] <Dr3w> They won't make money from me though, as its morally wrong.
[17:58:41] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/add-ons/translators/icotranslator/ (ICO.cpp ICO.h):
[17:58:41] <CIA-6> Fine tuned the alpha channel handling - it should now work as expected,
[17:58:41] <CIA-6> even with stupid apps like ArtPaint that use the alpha channel with
[17:58:41] <CIA-6> B_RGB32 bitmaps.
[17:58:41] <CIA-6> May now need some work for apps that use B_RGB32 as it should be used, though :-)
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[18:04:26] <fyysik> not releasing things which actually are part of toolchain, they cut people ability to create soft for themselves from third-party developers using other versions of BeOS
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[18:05:23] <el_gringo> I don't think they don't wanna share it, but they don't wanna spend time for cleaning code or things like that
[18:05:49] <fyysik> anyway, in current situation i'm unable to checking or FireFox Mozilla patches by self...wondering who will benefit from that
[18:05:59] <fyysik> s/or/our
[18:09:41] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/ (nv_acc.c nv_acc_dma.c): added preliminary pre-NV10 specific DMA acceleration code. Not finished, not tested.
[18:09:44] <fyysik> wondering if i must set up Linux only in oreder to be able check out and check in mozilla/FF tree:(
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[18:39:55] <@JBurton> hi
[18:44:25] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/BTextView/ (InlineInput.cpp TextView.cpp): Simplified the code for input method highlighting. This had the nice side effect of fixing the multi line highlighting bug.
[18:47:46] <@JBurton> dipp have you still got the bochsrc file around ?
[18:50:49] <@JBurton> agentmumu ?
[18:52:17] <dipp> JBurton, I'll check
[18:53:21] <dipp> JBurton, http://www.schmidp.com/public/haiku/bochsrc
[18:53:39] <@JBurton> thanks
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[18:55:15] <@JBurton> well, that worked
[18:55:26] <@JBurton> at least, looks like it's booting
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[18:55:41] <@JBurton> never happened before
[18:56:49] <dipp> heh nice :)
[18:57:10] <@JBurton> it entered graphics mode, though it's still there ;P
[18:57:28] <dipp> yeah takes some time
[18:57:32] <@JBurton> how much ?
[18:57:39] <dipp> perhaps your ips-values aren't correct?
[18:57:44] <@JBurton> ah ok
[18:57:51] <@JBurton> I lowered the ips
[18:57:55] <@JBurton> now it's booting :P
[18:58:01] <dipp> ok :)
[18:58:11] <@JBurton> thanks again
[18:58:17] <dipp> np
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[19:04:54] <@JBurton> okay, bye all
[19:04:57] <@JBurton> thank you again dipp
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[20:27:05] <jonaskirilla> Korli: I think that problem I have is with Oliver's gcc
[20:27:28] <jonaskirilla> the ArmyKnife/TagLib crash I was talking about yesterday
[20:28:16] <@Korli> jonaskirilla funny
[20:28:40] <jonaskirilla> the code uses a lot of STL, so it won't build with Be's gcc, and the 3.4.3 doesn't allow linking to the Be libs
[20:28:40] <@Korli> did you manage to build with the flag
[20:28:41] <@Korli> ?
[20:28:47] <jonaskirilla> so I can't test any other version of gcc
[20:29:01] <jonaskirilla> no, I haven't researched how to do it
[20:29:13] <jonaskirilla> the code works as it should on BSD though
[20:29:23] <jonaskirilla> with a 2.9 something toolchain
[20:29:45] <@Korli> maybe the flag is only useful for C++ files
[20:30:01] <jonaskirilla> Korli: is it important that I try with that flag? I can try harder.
[20:30:42] <@Korli> there is BE_DEFAULT_CPLUS_FLAGS in env ?
[20:31:14] <jonaskirilla> yes, but it's empty
[20:31:17] <jonaskirilla> BE_DEFAULT_CPLUS_FLAGS=
[20:31:31] <@Korli> try the flag here maybe
[20:32:20] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c: added pre-NV10 screen location and size for completeness. NV05 (TNT2) is confirmed up and running speedy now :-)
[20:32:38] <jonaskirilla> Korli: was it -fmultiple-symbol-spaces ?
[20:33:01] <@Korli> yeah
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[20:41:35] <oco> korli : hi ! is the new Emuxki driver different from then one i test a few weeks ago ?
[20:43:17] <@Korli> oco it should be the same
[20:43:29] <@Korli> not the same build though
[20:46:06] <oco> korli : thank you i will update it later...
[20:47:52] <jonaskirilla> BBL, laundry
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[21:31:27] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c:
[21:31:27] <CIA-6> added NV04(TNT1) DMA workaround code. TNT1 now also works with DMA acceleration. TNT2-M64 has been confirmed up also. This means all cards should work now! (Except for a NV40 artifact on blits..).
[21:31:27] <CIA-6> Still some finetuning to do.
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[22:40:39] <Lebuzzer> tic plink
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[23:21:40] <jonaskirilla> Korli: I built the library and the sample applications with -fmultiple-symbol-spaces, but crashes anyway.
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[23:22:25] <morphmuc> hello
[23:22:33] <jonaskirilla> hi morphmuc
[23:22:42] <morphmuc> iv seen the usb_audio in haiku cvs-web
[23:22:47] <morphmuc> is it usable?
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[23:23:04] <jonaskirilla> I don't know
[23:23:49] <morphmuc> ive problems with my maestro3 card ... so im thinking of bying an usb audio card for my laptop
[23:24:07] <jonaskirilla> I'm not sure the USB stack is fully operational.
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[23:24:42] <morphmuc> you think its better to code a maestro3 driver :)
[23:24:49] <morphmuc> i thought of it, but i dont have the time
[23:25:52] <jonaskirilla> http://www.freelists.org/archives/openbeos/01-2005/msg00070.html
[23:26:10] <jonaskirilla> http://nielx.blogspot.com/
[23:28:05] <morphmuc> thx
[23:28:05] <jonaskirilla> morphmuc: have you got the skills?
[23:28:46] <morphmuc> it would be my first kernel project, but i am grown up as child with c++ :)
[23:29:55] <jonaskirilla> it's a good start at least :)
[23:30:51] <morphmuc> but  i have till march only very spare time
[23:31:19] <jonaskirilla> I imagine making drivers is a lot different from a lot of the OO things in C++
[23:31:58] <jonaskirilla> I should be studying. :P
[23:32:38] <morphmuc> i think its a new challenge
[23:32:53] <jonaskirilla> spare time is a flexible thing.. :]
[23:33:15] <jonaskirilla> making device drivers?
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[23:33:42] <morphmuc> i think so ... i will mail mr. fat-man
[23:33:55] <morphmuc> he has started developing a maestro3 driver
[23:34:12] <morphmuc> mr. fat-rat
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[23:34:27] <morphmuc> http://www.fat-rat.com/projects/BeOS/Maestro3/
[23:34:35] 
[23:36:00] <morphmuc> i think, ive got time in two months again
[23:36:00] <jonaskirilla> Any nickname is good as long as it's not mine.
[23:36:29] <morphmuc> i could study my linux kernel-architecture book, perhaps it will help
[23:37:09] <jonaskirilla> the kernel mailinglist might be a good idea
[23:37:38] <jonaskirilla> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/open-beos-kernel-devel
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[23:41:06] <morphmuc> hmuc>	hm interesting ... but now im gonna sleep
[23:41:26] <morphmuc> thx jonas, and i wish a good night
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[23:43:00] <jonaskirilla> ah, sorry, missed that :I
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[23:54:43] <fyysik> seen mmu_man





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