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[00:14:25] <Dr3w> Heh, this app is totally hacked into a working state :)
[00:14:41] <[Beta]> the best way :)
[00:14:44] <Dr3w> As in, it works, because I kept adding code to it until it worked, but *boy* it ain't elegent :)
[00:14:54] <[Beta]> what're you up to Dr3w? saw you asking 'bout float input earlier
[00:15:23] <Dr3w> Nuthing really, I was working on a calculator a few years ago but never finished it.
[00:16:16] <Dr3w> BeOS never came with a calulator, and everthing that was out at the time was a little "tacky".
[00:16:43] <Dr3w> so I write one with a nice tidy interface with no tak, but never did the logic.
[00:17:30] <fyysik> X-Calc is good for me
[00:17:36] <fyysik> XCalc
[00:22:15] <slaad> I rather like SP-Calc
[00:24:37] <Dr3w> fyysik looks just like mine :)
[00:24:37] <Dr3w> http://www.h2o.demon.co.uk/images/screenshot.jpg
[00:24:38] <DaaT> slaad, when well we see Crazed Eyes Citrus? :P
[00:25:27] <Dr3w> Ah that URL works now.
[00:25:52] <Dr3w> I was planning on getting a scientific mode, then for version 2.0 I wanted to do some skinning of some sort.
[00:26:30] <Dr3w> I was hoping to be able to copy calculators like what you buy, so you can apply say a sking for a basic Casio calulator, and it will work like one.
[00:26:46] * sys2 wants to kill Dr3w
[00:26:51] <sys2> wait
[00:26:54] <Dr3w> or you could apply a skin for a scientific one, and then it works like that.
[00:27:02] <sys2> notyou :P
[00:27:21] <Dr3w> ah good, its good to not be killed :)
[00:28:57] <Dr3w> sys2 why did you want to kill me?
[00:29:20] <slaad> Haha, next time I implement something cool, DaaT :P
[00:29:26] <sys2> hehe .. was about another link in another channel
[00:29:30] <sys2> that was realy gross :/
[00:30:18] <Dr3w> heh let me see :)
[00:34:15] <DaaT> slaad ;)
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[00:38:05] <slaad> I've not made him yet :P
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[00:38:23] <DaaT> shame on you
[00:38:30] <DaaT> i'm looking forward to your next work of art
[00:39:26] <slaad> You need to get out more
[00:39:28] * slaad grins
[00:39:44] <fyysik> Dr3w - XCalc has extended view, with more functions and buttons, and i need those. Also it allows to switch base between decimal, hex and binary
[00:39:46] <DaaT> i go to work everyday, not enough? :)
[00:40:50] <Dr3w> fyysik: I need to get a major fuction iworking before I release version 0.9.
[00:41:01] <Dr3w> fyysik: the major function is "+" :)
[00:41:33] <Dr3w> I figure people don't use - / or * as much as +, so right now thats the priority.
[00:42:06] * fyysik really wonders if there isn't any more useful task for BeOS than writing N-th calc app. There is even Wiki page at bebits with request fro missing apps
[00:42:51] <DaaT> what? Another calc?
[00:42:52] <DaaT> :)
[00:43:01] <fyysik> do figure
[00:43:22] <DaaT> just what we needed ;)
[00:45:12] <Dr3w> fyysik:I agree actually, but, I have started so I plan to finish, and I wanted to get back into programming easily.
[00:45:21] <fyysik> DaaT - this is not the top. There is COMMAND LINE app at Bebits which does single task. Divides given value with constant. Something with name "Euro to Norvegian krone Converter"
[00:45:24] <Dr3w> I haven't coded for 2 years, so I feel like a n00bie right now.
[00:46:46] <fyysik> that devil coder even couldn't figure that currency rate might be changed, perhaps:)
[00:51:38] <swer> the best program ever is still "nothing" :D
[00:51:56] <DaaT> fyysik :)
[00:52:02] <DaaT> swer, i'm no coder at all
[00:52:20] <fyysik> but that was written just with purpose to do nothing. Why it is so great
[00:53:38] <swer> bebits is still showing news headlines from befaqs.com...
[00:53:48] <DaaT> yeah
[00:53:58] <fyysik> ik>	i propose to write bunch of CLI or even GUI apps. for arithmetics. Each one divides or multiplies value with constant. with nice names - "multiple-1", "multiple-2" etc etc
[00:53:58] <DaaT> the most up-to-date beos news site
[00:54:01] <DaaT> :)
[00:54:04] <fyysik> up to 100 at least
[00:55:07] <Dr3w> heh - fyysik you should write an app to write those programs.
[00:55:17] <Dr3w> you could automate it to about 1000 I reckon.
[00:55:20] <Dr3w> No more though.
[00:55:20] <fyysik> also nice idea:)
[00:55:22] <Dr_Evil> night
[00:55:29] <Dr3w> night Marus
[00:55:31] <Dr3w> c
[00:55:36] <DaaT> night
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[00:56:01] <fyysik> sometimes i have such feeling under Windoze
[00:56:19] <fyysik> each simplest task requires some at least shareware app
[00:56:40] <fyysik> with cost about USD49
[00:59:19] <Dr3w> ok midnight too, I goto go
[00:59:25] <Dr3w> night
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[01:02:36] <swer> fyysik well, you should see OS X shareware then
[01:04:03] <swer> i've seen a shareware app for OS X that does fridge magnet poetry....highly important!
[01:04:18] <swer> http://www.sticksoftware.com/software/Issa.html
[01:05:07] <[Beta]> o m g
[01:05:29] <DaaT> wtf...
[01:06:00] <@geist> LOL
[01:06:23] <[Beta]> at least its a good looking app
[01:06:23] <@geist> any other acronyms we want to fit in?
[01:07:48] <[Beta]> shame its not an acronymm.. yet "holy crap batman"
[01:09:33] <swer> ok, who's going to write that for BeOS?
[01:09:45] <@geist> awesome! I'm gonna download this
[01:09:54] <@geist> oh man, no longer available
[01:12:42] <DaaT> NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOooooooooooooo
[01:12:46] <DaaT> oh cruel world!!!
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[01:24:00] <CIA-6> adioanca * current/src/kits/app/Looper.cpp: Sorry I did not know about BMessage::Private::SetTarget()
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[01:33:28] <CIA-6> adioanca * current/src/kits/interface/Window.cpp: mouse & keyboard messages now use the full power of application_kit
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[01:46:24] <CIA-6> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/ (RootLayer.cpp ServerWindow.cpp ServerWindow.h WinBorder.cpp): BMessages which reach BWindow now take full advantage of application_kit's power in sending BMessages to BHandlers
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[09:52:30] <@Korli> hi geist
[10:00:14] <Dr3w> hi folks.
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[10:32:49] <eikon> hi
[10:38:22] <Dr3w> 'sup mofo.
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[13:08:54] <Dr3w> Hey Dr_Evil
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[13:47:48] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/add-ons/input_server/devices/Jamfile: Removed the serial_mouse addon from the build (for now) as it causes the input server not to start if you don't have a serial mouse connected to the port.
[13:49:03] <adioanca> guys, sorry to bother... but what whould I do with Haiku.image? How to boot it? Where?
[13:50:29] <adioanca> Bochs? QEMU?
[13:50:36] <adioanca> anyone...
[13:52:12] <mmadia> hi adioanca
[13:52:37] <mmadia> create a new BFS partition, mount Haiku.image, copy it over to the new partition, make it bootable.
[13:55:56] <adioanca> mmadia: Thanks. Don't have apartition at my disposal, no way I can boot Haiku in Bochs?
[13:56:20] <mmadia> dunno, never tried.
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[13:58:30] <@JBurton> hi
[14:00:56] <@JBurton> Korli hi
[14:01:34] <mmadia> hi JBurton.
[14:01:38] <@JBurton> hey mmadia
[14:01:42] <@JBurton> is Korli around ?
[14:02:12] <mmadia> whois shows idle of 4min.
[14:02:21] <@JBurton> okay, maybe he's busy
[14:02:23] <@JBurton> thanks
[14:05:39] <sys2> boot: floppy
[14:05:40] <sys2> floppya: 1_44=/dev/floppy/0 status=inserted
[14:05:43] <sys2> whats wrong with that? :/
[14:06:10] <sys2> no ,
[14:06:10] <sys2> :P
[14:12:34] <@Korli> re
[14:12:48] <@Korli> hi JBurton
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[14:15:56] <@JBurton> Korli did you notice my commit ?
[14:16:09] <@JBurton> Korli is there anything else to do to remove the addon from the package ?
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[14:22:32] <sys2> linux inportb/outportb anyone?
[14:22:35] <sys2> what lib is it in :/
[14:23:17] <@JBurton> haiku != linux
[14:23:17] <@JBurton> :)
[14:23:24] <[Beta]> heh
[14:23:47] <sys2> yeye :P
[14:23:56] <sys2> its partly posix so should be some what the same :P
[14:24:48] <@JBurton> erg, I don't think inportb is posix
[14:25:16] <sys2> dammit :P
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[14:25:51] <sys2> trying to find out to do it in asm but i suck at this :P
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[14:46:12] <@Korli> JBurton no (apart maybe input kit target)
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[14:53:17] <@JBurton> Korli hmmm okay
[15:10:02] <adioanca> JBurton: hi. Do you have some test results to share with me? :-D
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[15:16:00] <sys2> yay
[15:16:10] * sys2 detected drive A in bochs with assambler! :P
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[15:22:21] <@JBurton> adioanca no :P
[15:22:35] <@JBurton> adioanca as I said, I haven't access to my main beos dev machine
[15:22:39] <@JBurton> so I can't test it
[15:25:27] <adioanca> Oh, sorry, I just saw a chechin from you and I thought...
[15:26:06] <adioanca> s/h/k
[15:29:15] <@JBurton> adioanca that was done from a win32 machine :P
[15:29:16] <@JBurton> brb
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[16:26:23] <agentmumu> adioanca: you can use bochs to boot haiku.image
[16:27:04] <dipp> where can I fetch that image?
[16:29:55] <agentmumu> this is the latest image i've build: http://www.schmidp.com/public/haiku/haiku.image_04_02_05.zip
[16:31:01] <dipp> thank you very much
[16:31:02] <@JBurton> re
[16:31:34] <dipp> damn 3.8 Mb...things are becoming bloated ;)
[16:31:44] <@JBurton> er, it contains the media server too
[16:31:49] <@JBurton> and the registraer
[16:31:59] <@JBurton> so I wouldn't call it bloated :P
[16:32:10] <dipp> hehe good :)
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[16:39:05] <dipp> is there some instructions somewhere on how to boot it?
[16:39:28] <@JBurton> with bochs
[16:39:30] <@JBurton> brb
[16:41:32] <dipp> Yeah I already figured that, but is it just to ata0-master: type=disk, path="/home/jonathan/haiku.img"
[16:41:40] <dipp> boot: disk
[16:41:51] <dipp> And some other funky stuff ofcourse
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[16:44:57] <@JBurton> re
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[16:45:12] <@JBurton> yeah, that funky stuff :P
[16:46:18] <@JBurton> is the image 40 mb uncompressed ?
[16:46:44] <dipp> yeah
[16:46:50] <Methe> hiho JBurton
[16:46:53] <@JBurton> hi Methe
[16:46:56] <agentmumu> dipp: http://www.schmidp.com/public/haiku/bochsrc
[16:47:11] <dipp> agentmumu, thanks
[16:47:36] <@JBurton> agentmumu shouldn't it be a 40 mb hard drive image ?
[16:47:51] <agentmumu> JBurton: yes, but compressed its 3.8 mb
[16:48:24] <agentmumu> or do you talk about bochsrc?
[16:48:33] <tqh> JBurton Has fyysik talked to you since yesterday?
[16:49:12] <@JBurton> no, tqh
[16:49:29] <@JBurton> agentmumu bochsrc
[16:49:30] <agentmumu> JBurton: well, it does work with these settings, so i didn't care to change the 100mb to 40
[16:49:34] <@JBurton> okay
[16:49:51] <tqh> Ah, he wants to get some input for you on how to improve font drawing in Mozilla.
[16:49:58] <@JBurton> hmmm okay, tqh
[16:49:59] <tqh> for -> from
[16:49:59] <@JBurton> brb
[16:50:07] <dipp> it boots
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[16:50:29] <dipp> well it starts to anyway :)
[16:50:46] <dipp> then the shell poped up :>
[16:51:02] <@JBurton> I never got that far since two or three months dipp :P
[16:52:49] <dipp> heh okay :)
[16:52:51] <@Korli> i>	i never actually booted on real hardware :p
[16:52:53] <agentmumu> JBurton: did you use bochs or qemu?
[16:53:46] <@JBurton> bochs, but I still have a semi-old version of the compiler
[16:53:48] <@JBurton> so it didn't work
[16:53:51] <dipp> JBurton, can you do something funky with the image-content like start som server or something?
[16:54:02] <@JBurton> well, the registrar is started, IIRC
[16:54:12] <@JBurton> you could try to start teh media server
[16:54:27] <@JBurton> Korli I did, long ago
[16:54:29] <@JBurton> brb
[16:56:33] <dipp> JBurton, okay I'll try
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[17:04:44] <dipp> do I start it by just "media_server" or should I feed it with some parameters?
[17:05:01] <dipp> cause now it just runs in a loop
[17:05:37] <dipp> telling me "media_sever: uknown message recieved"
[17:08:35] <@JBurton> dipp first thing you said
[17:08:45] <@JBurton> though, I think you just encoundered a known bug :P
[17:09:25] <dipp> heh ok :)
[17:09:32] <dipp> too bad then..
[17:09:52] <@JBurton> you could fix it :P
[17:10:08] <dipp> sure hang on 5 seconds and I'll fix it..
[17:10:15] <dipp> :<
[17:10:45] <@JBurton> eheh
[17:10:48] <dipp> :)
[17:11:05] <dipp> I wish I was good enough too help
[17:11:10] <dipp> I would if I could
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[17:37:02] <@JBurton> dipp does it prints the unknown message, by chance ?
[17:37:42] <Methe> AHAH
[17:37:51] <Methe> Two jordanian peeps fell in love in internet
[17:37:54] <dipp> JBurton, hmm it printed alot of stuff
[17:37:55] <Methe> and when they finally met
[17:38:00] <Methe> they discovered they were married
[17:38:03] <Methe> AHAH
[17:38:04] <Methe> so lol
[17:38:07] <dipp> :)
[17:38:15] <@JBurton> loooooooooooooool
[17:38:21] <dipp> JBurton, let me check that, I can grab the output maybe
[17:38:25] <@JBurton> dipp okay
[17:38:35] <@JBurton> I think I'll test the image this evening btw :P
[17:39:12] <Methe> what ? Haiku is bootable again ?
[17:39:36] <@JBurton> sure it is, at least on bochs :P
[17:39:40] <@JBurton> but should be on real hardware too
[17:39:45] <@JBurton> adioanca still around ?
[17:43:07] <Dr3w> Does it boot to a UI yet?
[17:43:16] <@JBurton> no
[17:43:21] <Dr3w> Well, a mouse on the screen would do with no tracker :)
[17:43:27] <@JBurton> B_APP_SERVER_NOT_BOOTING_ON_HAIKU_YET
[17:43:31] <@JBurton> ^_^
[17:43:33] <Dr3w> ah - still, its got quite far!
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[17:47:13] <@JBurton> McCall who/what has got quite far ? :P
[17:49:18] <McCall> Haiku.
[17:49:35] <@JBurton> ah yes I agree
[17:51:23] <dipp> JBurton, http://waldsjo.se/haiku_media_server.png the image got a little borked there but I hope you can spot something, It just goes on and on like that..
[17:53:30] <McCall> where is the latest bochs images for Haiku?
[17:53:55] <dipp> http://www.schmidp.com/public/haiku/haiku.image_04_02_05.zip
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[17:57:07] <McCall> Does anyone have a bochs settings file?
[17:57:53] <dipp> http://www.schmidp.com/public/haiku/bochsrc
[17:59:32] <@JBurton> dipp hmmm I see
[17:59:35] <kr1stof> This might help too http://www.bebits.com/app/3954 (?)
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[18:07:09] <@JBurton> bye all
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[18:09:45] <McCall> Anyone know if that image will work in VMware?
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[18:25:50] <@Korli> dipp your unknown message is B_MESSAGE_NOT_UNDERSTOOD
[18:26:08] <@Korli> MNOT = 4D4E4F54
[18:26:53] <sys2> mov 0B8000, 'P' <-- why wont that compile with nasm? :/
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[18:28:43] <Dr_Evil> because its invalid
[18:28:48] <@Korli> sys2 two consts
[18:29:10] <McCall> night folks.
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[18:30:35] <sys2> Korli, you know how i should formulate it then ?:>
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[18:30:58] <@Korli> sys2 maybe ask Dr_Evil :)
[18:31:49] <@Korli> you should use a register or a memory address for mov destinations
[18:32:36] <Dr_Evil> mov eax, 0xB8000
[18:32:48] <Dr_Evil> mov byte ptr [eax], 'P'
[18:33:11] <Dr_Evil> perhaps that will work, I don't know nasm syntax
[18:33:53] <@Korli> bye
[18:34:00] <Dr_Evil> but this will only work in a flat mode 32 bit environment
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[18:34:12] <sys2> mov byte [eax]
[18:34:16] <sys2> atleast compiled :P
[18:36:54] <Dr_Evil> I think you don't know what you are doing
[18:38:53] <Methe> :))
[18:39:17] <sys2> exactly :P
[18:39:21] <sys2> why do you think i asked? :>
[18:39:43] <tic> Dr_Evil, can you touch that memory from pmode?
[18:39:47] <tic> Dr_Evil, or rather, BeOS?
[18:39:52] <tic> (in a regular application)
[18:40:00] <tic> Or are you guys trying to write a text-mode driver? :)
[18:40:24] <sys2> dont bend your little mind over that master tic
[18:40:25] <sys2> :>
[18:40:56] <tic> hm?
[18:41:07] <tic> I just recognized the color textmode segment.
[18:41:48] <sys2> :>
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[18:55:36] <sys2> yay
[18:55:37] <sys2> it works :P
[18:55:45] <sys2> lots had to be changed but me got it working :P
[18:56:44] <tic> which? what are you doing?
[18:56:52] <sys2> secret
[18:56:53] <sys2> :P
[18:56:59] <MikeW> gwan, tell me
[18:57:02] <MikeW> I love secrets
[18:57:26] * sys2 got a free printer today
[18:57:26] <dipp> Korli okay
[18:57:30] <dipp> too bad you left :)
[18:57:32] <sys2> old one but looks in tip top shape :>
[18:57:52] <sys2> mov byte [ds:0B8000h], 'P'
[18:57:54] <sys2> it was btw :P
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[20:02:05] <dipp> Korli, the message I got (B_MESSAGE_NOT_UNDERSTOOD) is it because of some bug?
[20:06:34] <dipp> known bug perhaps..
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[20:54:06] * tqh has built worlds fastest quiting mozilla
[20:54:20] <tqh> To bad it's on startup :P
[20:56:09] <fyysik> tqh - hm, maybe it is slower than that which said under server "cannot execute mozilla-bib":)
[20:56:18] <fyysik> under netserver
[20:58:33] <tqh> well, but it doesn't start with splashscreen :)
[20:59:55] <fyysik> hm, maybe it means that we must get rid of splashscreen at all, to honest comparison of those special builds!
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[21:03:44] <tqh> nah, splashscreen is ok. Probably because i return NS_ERROR_NOT_IMPLEMENTED for some functions.
[21:04:21] <tqh> I wonder if xpfe/bootstrap requires full rebuild
[21:04:57] * tqh dreams of BeIDE projects :)
[21:06:27] <Koki> hello fyysik. already in NYC?
[21:09:11] <fyysik> still in Estonia
[21:09:30] <tic> splash screens suck.
[21:09:31] <Koki> when are you going to NYC?
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[21:09:48] <tic> Hm.. On what kind of IDE hardware does Haiku boot?  Doesn't seem to boot on my Promise 100TX2
[21:10:37] <tqh> Not much of a promise then :)
[21:10:41] <tic> pfft.
[21:10:45] <tqh> tss
[21:11:20] <tic> I'm awaiting the release of the Soltek Pentium M Micro-ATX board.  When it's released, I'm going to a do a total /boot-cleanup and start hacking haiku.
[21:11:31] <tic> I have cruft from Maui/b2 lying around here
[21:11:51] <tic> But now, newly baked bread + paper.
[21:11:52] <tic> cia.
[21:11:55] <fyysik> Koki - March 1
[21:11:55] <tic> ciao, too
[21:11:56] <tqh> ah, I'll probably get my Pentium M laptop next week.
[21:12:03] <tic> tqh, nice.  they're overclockable as hell.
[21:12:21] <tic> tqh, google for "dothan overclocking thread" and read it.  1.7 clocks to 2.2 and beyond.
[21:12:45] <tqh> well, usually laptop bioses suck :/
[21:12:46] <tic> (on stock voltage that is, increase it a bit and you'll be up to 2.6. whips athlon64s)
[21:12:51] <tic> yeah. that's a bit problematic.
[21:12:52] <tic> _but_
[21:13:05] <tic> read the thread. there are links to apps that lets you increase the FSB and change the multiplier.
[21:13:13] <tic> anyhow.  *kitchen*
[21:13:47] * tqh will do that when he gets it.
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[21:15:02] <Koki> that's not bad fyysik. it should be a bit warmer by then. :-)
[21:16:44] * DaaT will read the thread now :P
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[21:19:09] <nielx> hee hallo
[21:20:09] <Koki> fyysik, I have been thinking about the inline input patch for Mozilla, and am at a loss on how to make it move forward. do you have any ideas?
[21:21:26] <nielx> Koki: Sorry, but I haven't been able to look into that patch just yet
[21:21:49] <nielx> I'm still busy working on USB (and getting my new BeOS machine connect to the net)
[21:22:00] <Koki> oh, no nielx, I did not mean to pressure you at all!
[21:22:11] <fyysik> Koki - as i said, publish somewhere step-by-step explanation for me how i can test it. Pls, no recommendation to copy-paste japanese text
[21:22:12] <nielx> well, you didn't :-) but just, so you know
[21:22:37] <Koki> fyysik: are you on BeOS or Zeta?
[21:22:41] <fyysik> where to get Japanese Input method, how to install it, how to enter japanese text
[21:22:45] <fyysik> BeOS
[21:22:59] <Koki> ok, will send you instructions by email.
[21:23:47] <Koki> what is your email address?
[21:24:15] <fyysik> Koki, problem is that i know how it should look like more correct from BeZilla POV, but i cannot test changes in patch by self
[21:24:38] <fyysik> and third party testing in such cases is not effective - too big lag, too inconviniant
[21:24:53] <Koki> fyysik, that is ok. you do what you need to do. I will help to the extent that I can.
[21:25:11] <tic> hey nielx
[21:26:08] <nielx> hi tic
[21:28:39] <nielx> okay, be right back, I just have to do some things on my other computer
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[21:35:40] <dipp> what are you guys up to? Porting Mozilla?
[21:36:50] <tic> nielx is the usb guy
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[21:37:52] <nielx> where can I get teh nightly CVS tarball?
[21:38:28] <Methe> behind the pinetree
[21:38:34] <nielx> okay, I'll look there
[21:38:37] <Methe> well I guess u can grab it at sourceforge :D
[21:38:56] <nielx> okay, I'll start digging
[21:40:17] <nielx> got it (it's in the admin section)
[21:40:35] <Methe> http://cvs.sf.net/cvstarballs/open-beos-cvsroot.tar.bz2
[21:40:41] <Methe> arf u were faster than me
[21:40:43] <tqh> dipp I'm improving our Firefox and Mozilla port yes.
[21:40:54] <dipp> tqh, okay
[21:41:36] <nielx> thanks anyway
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[21:49:40] <Dr3w> Hey folks.
[21:49:49] <tic> hey dre
[21:49:50] <tic> drew.
[21:50:08] <tic> dre doesn't expand. it should take 31337-speak into account.
[21:50:29] <Dr3w> Does anyone remember how to start Seti@Home so that it uses both processors, or do I have to do two different seti folders and bind one program to one CPU and another to the other?
[21:50:32] <Dr3w> Hey tic
[21:50:43] <tic> two different seti folders, I think.
[21:50:46] * MikeW is worried about getting a new mobo
[21:50:48] <tic> basically, you just start two instances.
[21:50:50] <tic> MikeW, why?
[21:51:06] <MikeW> I dunno if the chipset, onboard gfx or sound will be supported
[21:51:15] <MikeW> and bedrivers doesn't seem to list what im looking at
[21:51:15] <tic> what mobo?
[21:51:16] <tqh> fyysik Seems my mozilla-build quits even without my changes. hmm..
[21:51:30] <tic> MikeW, so get one you know is supported. :)
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[21:53:27] <MikeW> what im looking at is: http://www.dabs.com/uk/channels/components/motherboardsandaccessories/products.htm?catid=192 with only in stock filter on, and keyword 478 sorted from cheapest first
[21:53:46] <MikeW> looking for a mobo to go with a celeron d, thats beos compatable
[21:53:50] <tic> intel stuff is usually compatible.
[21:53:59] <tic> like, i865 and such.
[21:54:00] <desidaerius504> yeah
[21:54:03] 
[21:54:09] <desidaerius504> you shouldnt have too much of a problem
[21:54:17] <MikeW> the problem is choice
[21:54:19] <tic> MikeW, stay away from via and sis.
[21:54:31] <MikeW> tic: hmm, all have had via and sys so far
[21:54:36] <tic> http://www.dabs.com/uk/channels/components/motherboardsandaccessories/productView.htm?quicklinx=359T
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[21:55:01] <tic> _I'd_ buy an Intel, anyway.  they usually don't require fancy drivers and patches.
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[21:59:42] <MikeW> http://www.dabs.com/uk/channels/components/motherboardsandaccessories/productView.htm?quicklinx=2ZB8
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[21:59:56] <MikeW> hmm, its got video out
[22:00:04] <MikeW> I wonder does it support the celeron d
[22:00:22] <MikeW> socket type is correct, just hope it isn't incompatable
[22:00:40] <desidaerius504> idaerius504>	i don't see why it should be incompatible
[22:01:19] 
[22:01:35] <MikeW> ATI RADEON 9100 IGP
[22:01:53] <MikeW> Realtek ALC655
[22:02:20] <desidaerius504> I dont know about the integrated graphics or not.
[22:02:55] <tic> 9100 IGP should be supported; check BeBits.
[22:03:03] <tic> not sure though.
[22:03:03] <MikeW> well http://www.bebits.com/app/2938 mentions the radeon 9100
[22:03:12] <MikeW> doesn't say IGP though
[22:03:18] <desidaerius504> then you *should* be in luck
[22:03:25] <tic> the southbridge might be incompatible (ide, sound).
[22:03:30] <desidaerius504> emphasis on should of course :-p
[22:03:36] <NathanW> IGPs work now
[22:05:16] <MikeW> hmm, it would be a bad choice if I got the wrong mobo, since this is a beos compatable box im trying to get :)
[22:05:34] <tic> MikeW, why should it be so inexpensive?
[22:06:07] <MikeW> tic: because I don't want to spend more than 200 euro on the chip, board and ram
[22:06:53] <tic> MikeW, yeah, but any particular reason you're not just building a really fast -and- BeOS-compatible computer to replace your current? :)
[22:07:17] <MikeW> because those two don't go hand in hand
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[22:07:34] <MikeW> my really fast computer would be an a64 + beos incompatable hardware
[22:07:40] <MikeW> PLUS, theres no way I want to keep rebooting to beos
[22:08:20] <MikeW> so one machine for linux and beos work that I can play around and not worry about destroying everything, that would be cool
[22:08:35] <tic> okay.
[22:08:42] <tic> otherwise, Pentium M whips.
[22:08:51] <MikeW> Was going to get the cheapest semperon and board I could, but I heard the amd stuff generally isn't great for beos
[22:08:57] <tic> correct.
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[22:10:12] <fyysik> "really fast computer"??? what is that??? No such thing:
[22:10:14] <MikeW> hmm, do you think im going down the wrong path with wanting everything on the mobo?
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[22:10:38] <MikeW> fyysik: compared with my current beos box: p3 450mhz 128mb ram, 0mb hdd space free
[22:10:49] * fyysik noticed that Win 3.11 on 386SX 25 MHz is faster for user than NT5 on 2GHz machine
[22:10:58] <w-ber> SMP and BeOS is just sweetness
[22:11:17] <tic> MikeW, I went from Pentium 3-500 to Pentium 2-450 to Dual Celeron 533 :)
[22:11:21] * tic does side-way upgrades
[22:11:37] <MikeW> w-ber: dual mobos are really expensive
[22:11:50] <w-ber> fyysik: true, I installed Windows 2000 on my parents' 600 MHz Pentium III, and it was impossible to multitask, contrary to when I installed BeOS R5 on P166...
[22:12:14] <w-ber> MikeW: my dual P3 was around 150 e, CPU's included
[22:12:15] <tic> MikeW, a Tyan Tiger isn't bad.  Granted, P3-1 Ghz or so, but that'll be plenty fast if you want a BeOS system.  Plus, it's SMP.
[22:12:38] * w-ber wants 1 GHz CPU's
[22:12:51] <tic> also, higher IPC on the PPro core vs. NetBurst.
[22:13:17] <fyysik> w-ber - there is famous joke. Daughter is asking Bill Gates - "Daddy, what is multitaskin?" "I will show you, but wait for 5 minutes, until floppy formatting is competed"
[22:13:27] <w-ber> hehe
[22:13:29] <desidaerius504> lol
[22:13:37] 
[22:13:42] <tic> oh well. I'm going for the single-CPU route now; Pentium M.  Although it'd be _really_ cool to have a dual Pentium M system.
[22:13:44] <Dr3w> A1 condition too.
[22:14:12] <w-ber> tic: wait two or three years and there no doubt will be
[22:14:21] <desidaerius504> I have an AMD Athalon 1700+ @ 1.47Ghz and 256MB RAM
[22:14:27] <tic> w-ber, yup, the Yonah will be out 06Q1
[22:14:37] <tic> w-ber, which is a dual-core Dothan at 65 nm.
[22:14:45] <w-ber> :P''
[22:15:13] <tic> IIRC, it was to use one core on battery, two on wall wart.
[22:15:23] <tic> 21:15:23 <tic>	2 MB L2 cache, shared between the cores.
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[22:24:00] * tqh wants the new AMD64 'winchester CPU's: 64 bit goodness.
[22:24:27] <tic> dunno really. Pentium M is still more efficient.
[22:24:34] <tic> ('cept for FPU)
[22:25:15] <@Korli> is libnet.so building correctly ?
[22:25:27] <tqh> not really, they are good at different things.
[22:25:47] <tic> yes. amd64 is slightly more efficient in FPU-per-clock.
[22:25:53] <tic> same in int.  and pentium m uses less power.
[22:26:34] <dipp> hmm was it Smithfield that developed 130W
[22:26:51] <dipp> the dual core one..heard something like that
[22:26:56] <MikeW> Dr3w: wow, did you buy it second hand?
[22:27:20] <tic> dipp, yup.
[22:27:28] <tic> tqh, http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=dothandesktop&page=11
[22:28:06] <tic> tqh, and that's on regular DDR, 100 MHz FSB etc.,
[22:28:11] <tic> *Zzz*
[22:29:33] <tqh> yes, but the AMD has the raw speed so when the Pentium M runs out of cache...
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[22:30:42] * tqh goes back to watching tv.
[22:31:19] <tic> tqh, http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=dothangaming&page=1
[22:31:28] <tic> this is what I wanted to show you.
[22:31:32] <tic> but now I'm _really_ going to bed.
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[22:34:46] <MikeW> Dr3w: memo me with yes/no
[22:35:08] <MikeW> hmm, I'll put off ordering this sub 200e beos computer till tomorrow then :)
[22:35:11] <MikeW> ttfn
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