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[00:32:42] <CIA-6> mwilber * current/src/tests/kits/interface/balert/AlertTest.cpp: Added B_EMPTY_ALERT mode tests.
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[00:34:34] <CIA-6> mwilber * current/src/tests/kits/interface/balert/AlertTest.h: Added B_EMPTY_ALERT tests.
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[00:49:20] <d0gmaz> how can i check if nvidia driver fully loaded
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[00:50:35] <dr_Evil_> listarea | grep accelerant
[00:50:43] <dr_Evil_> try it d0gmaz
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[00:54:12] <d0gmaz> nv.accelerant_seg0 nv.accelerant_seg1
[00:54:16] <d0gmaz> sounds good
[00:54:32] <d0gmaz> dr_Evil_ thanks
[00:57:25] <d0gmaz> dr_Evil_ your wallpaper package is gone on bebits
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[01:00:05] <fyysik> BeOS lacks DrawString(*, float spacing_array[])  method:((
[01:00:53] <dr_Evil_> I never put wallapers on bebits,
[01:01:27] <d0gmaz> then its someone with you nick :)
[01:01:49] <dr_Evil_> must be
[01:01:56] <d0gmaz> http://bebits.com/app/3370
[01:02:46] <dr_Evil_> not me
[01:02:59] <d0gmaz> hehe
[01:07:55] <DaaT> there's a dr_evil over at the yT forums, from... ch i think
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[02:10:16] <LeandroLuiz> intel 537 (modem) is compatible with BeOS?
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[02:11:12] <LeandroLuiz> intel 537 (modem) is compatible with BeOS?
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[02:13:29] <[Beta]> http://www.bedrivers.com/hardware/
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[06:01:26] <motoyama> haiku not compile :/
[06:01:58] <motoyama> maybe my memory it's not work
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[12:33:43] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/ (nv_acc.c nv_acc_dma.c): fixed NV44 and NV45 programming for acceleration
[12:36:19] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/DriverInterface.h: added NV44 device to the list. NV44 device recognition still has to be added to the driver BTW.
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[12:45:35] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/ (nv_acc.c nv_acc_dma.c): updated a few register defines for NV44 type.
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[17:43:11] <Dr3w> Heh...
[17:43:22] <Dr3w> I love the way all my old registered software still works :)
[17:43:31] <Dr3w> Mostly, because it hasn't ever been updated!
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[18:01:51] <Dr3w> is there a quick and easy way to turn a float into a string?
[18:02:50] <Dr_Evil> sprintf
[18:03:20] <Dr3w> fDisplay->SetText(sprintf(fTest));
[18:03:23] <Dr3w> Shoudl that work?
[18:03:30] <Dr_Evil> no
[18:03:39] <swer> sprintf needs a char* buffer
[18:04:00] <Dr_Evil> or use
[18:04:02] <Dr_Evil> BString s;
[18:04:08] <swer> sprintf is like printf, except that it writes to a buffer you pass to it
[18:04:08] <Dr_Evil> s << fTest;
[18:04:18] <Dr_Evil> fDisplay->SetText(s.String());
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[18:08:58] <Dr3w> Marcus, really sorry to disturb you again - I haven't programmed for 2 years, and I feel like a newbie again :)
[18:09:00] <Dr3w> float fTest;
[18:09:01] <Dr3w> BString buffer;
[18:09:01] <Dr3w> fTest = fLogic->GetValue();
[18:09:02] <Dr3w> buffer << fTest;
[18:09:03] <Dr3w> fDisplay->SetText(buffer.String());
[18:09:26] <Dr3w> Error I am getting is:
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[18:10:29] <Dr3w> Sorry!
[18:10:31] <Dr3w> I forgot BeIDE copied the whole error window.
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[18:11:30] <Dr3w> OK worked it out.
[18:11:55] <Dr3w> the BString needs to be destroyed, but it woudldn't have been as the case was ended by a break; I just needed to wrap a {} around the code.
[18:11:56] <Dr3w> thankd
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[18:29:17] <Methe> Evening adioanca !
[18:30:05] <adioanca> hi methe!
[18:30:37] <Methe> wassup
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[18:36:13] <jonaskirilla> help, how do I exit from vi, when using cvs?
[18:36:38] <Methe> :q
[18:36:43] <Methe> u type that
[18:36:45] <Methe> ":q"
[18:36:53] <jonaskirilla> colon q ?
[18:37:04] <Dr_Evil> ESC first
[18:37:20] <swer> :q! for urgent cases (=force quit without saving)
[18:37:47] <jonaskirilla> ESC first.. :]
[18:40:04] <swer> basic vi skills can't hurt - usually, it's safe to assume that some form of vi is installed on any unix system
[18:40:23] <swer> where as you can't always count on the presence of pico or emacs
[18:40:30] <Dr_Evil> yes, even on HP UX 11 i
[18:42:05] <jonaskirilla> vi is a death trap.
[18:42:11] <Methe> :)
[18:42:57] <Dr_Evil> vil>	vi is easy
[18:43:43] <jonaskirilla> the esc mode thing may have been logical in the 70/80s
[18:43:52] <swer> oh yes, let's have a vi vs emacs flame war, like in the good old days :D
[18:44:02] <Methe> lol
[18:44:04] <jonaskirilla> well, emacs is equally evil
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[18:44:41] <swer> IMHO these editors still make sense for low-bandwidth terminal connections
[18:44:53] <jonaskirilla> not that I'd recommend pico or anything like it for code work, but at least they make sense
[18:47:11] <swer> I still like Pe/Pepper for coding
[18:47:33] <Dr_Evil> I would never recommend vi for coding
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[18:51:09] <tic> Eddie.
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[18:59:22] <zerocool> ciao
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[19:09:36] <swer> grr....Mac OS X is horribly slow :(
[19:10:37] <tic> and my graphics card is b0rked.
[19:12:07] <swer> ouch
[19:12:27] <jonaskirilla> swer: how much RAM have you got?
[19:12:33] <Master199> i have not speed problems with my osx... g3 600mhz; 512ram; panther, its fast enough to work with it
[19:13:13] <jonaskirilla> I was impressed how well OS X runs on my G3 350 MHz with an old ATI Rage Pro card.. slow, but not -that- slow.
[19:13:15] <swer> 640 MB, the max my ibook can handle
[19:14:01] <jonaskirilla> I've got 768 MB in my G3.. :))  it's currently missing a harddisk though.
[19:14:05] <swer> linux on the same hardware _feels_ much faster
[19:14:36] <jonaskirilla> swer: Linux doesn't do half of what OS X does
[19:15:12] <swer> QE has barely any overhead
[19:15:35] <swer> and despite what Apple's marketing suggests, OS X UI is pixels and not vectors
[19:15:36] <dipp> jonaskirilla, perhaps it does, just in another way? :)
[19:15:48] <jonaskirilla> dipp: no
[19:16:13] <dipp> what does it do that linux don't?
[19:16:25] <dipp> gnu/linux that is..
[19:16:43] <swer> run update_prebinding constantly :D
[19:16:46] <jonaskirilla> the GUI is the most obvious example
[19:17:55] <dipp> well..you could probably achieve the same work, just in another way
[19:18:05] <swer> not really...I'm using Mozilla on both, but it's much slower on OS X
[19:18:08] <jonaskirilla> but not a whole lot cheaper
[19:18:12] <swer> and mozilla runs the same GUI on both systems
[19:18:28] <swer> (but then again, Mozilla on BeOS isn't a speed demon either)
[19:18:40] <jonaskirilla> swer: Mozilla runs like crap (well, suboptimally at least)  on BeOS too, and that doesn't make BeOS bad.
[19:18:52] <jonaskirilla> heh
[19:19:00] * tic slaps LeadTek
[19:19:04] <CIA-6> laplace * current/headers/private/print/libprint/ (5 files): Added Add Printer dialog.
[19:19:55] <swer> the major difference is that OS X is using lots of RAM for its UI
[19:20:01] <swer> I need 4GB RAM :D
[19:20:12] <jonaskirilla> we'll soon be there.. :))
[19:20:47] <jonaskirilla> 64 bit baby
[19:23:06] <CIA-6> laplace * current/src/add-ons/print/drivers/shared/libprint/ (7 files): Added Add Printer dialog.
[19:23:31] <swer> but not on OS X...
[19:23:53] <swer> OS X doesn't do 64 bit for GUI apps
[19:24:09] <jonaskirilla> will Tiger fix that?
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[19:24:21] <swer> that is Tiger already
[19:24:30] <swer> Panther doesn't do 64 bit for any process
[19:24:42] <jonaskirilla> so maybe the next version
[19:25:21] <jonaskirilla> PPC is supposed to allow both 32 and 64 bit concurrently, IIRC
[19:25:34] <swer> yes
[19:25:45] <swer> but it'll be a while until all the OS X APIs are 64bit safe
[19:25:50] <swer> or thread-safe... :(
[19:26:52] <jonaskirilla> I wonder why they didn't choose Linux.. probably the GPL. That Darwin kernel seems like a weird conglomeration.
[19:27:08] <swer> but the G5 is a nice CPU. I'd love to have BeOS on that :)
[19:27:31] <swer> or at least on my iBook...it's hard to find comparable x86 notebooks
[19:27:36] <Dr3w> Hey folks.
[19:27:38] <jonaskirilla> The Minis would make nice beboxen.
[19:27:42] <tic> yah
[19:27:53] <Dr3w> How can I get a float out of a BTextContol?
[19:27:59] <swer> the minis need to be duals to be a proper BeBox :)
[19:28:14] <tic> Dr3w, Divider()?
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[19:28:32] <tic> Dr3w, or something like atof()-ish?
[19:28:48] <Dr3w> yeah, atof or something...
[19:28:51] <tic> sscanf(textcontrol->Text(), "%f", &thevar)
[19:29:01] <tic> can't remember how to get the text though.
[19:29:15] <Dr3w> does BString have an easy way of getting a float out of it?
[19:29:29] <jonaskirilla> swer: the Via duals will probably be cheaper.. not as cool, but smaller and more silent.
[19:29:37] <tic> Dr3w, don't think so...
[19:29:44] <tic> the Yonahs will be cool.
[19:29:46] <jonaskirilla> why float?
[19:29:49] <swer> there will be Via duals?
[19:29:54] <Dr3w> its for a calculator.
[19:29:57] <tic> swer, yeah.
[19:30:04] <swer> sweet.
[19:30:09] <jonaskirilla> yes, they've even shown quads, but that's probably not going to happen
[19:30:11] <tic> The pentium m is more power efficient, though.
[19:30:17] <Dr3w> I always loked VIA, don't know why.
[19:30:18] <tic> so my bet is on them.
[19:30:21] <swer> using the current CPU cores or something faster?
[19:30:21] <Dr3w> underdog I suppose.
[19:30:32] <Dr3w> s/loked/liked.
[19:30:37] <tic> I have a Nehemiah M10k at home, but it's not really impressive.
[19:30:40] <jonaskirilla> tic: does Pentium M do SMP?
[19:31:03] <swer> I would have bought a via as mu current system, if they a) had been faster b) had AGP slots on their boards
[19:31:07] <Dr3w> Good lord, they need to call their chips something people can actually pronounce first :)
[19:31:11] <jonaskirilla> I don't care about performance, I just want a compact, silent SMP box
[19:31:16] <tic> jonaskirilla, don't know. Not without glue, I think. The Yonah due 2006Q1 will have two Dothan cores in one chip.
[19:31:21] <tic> so that's basically SMP.
[19:33:01] <Dr3w> unless you can see two chips, its not multiprocessor :)
[19:33:01] <swer> I do lots of 3D, I need performance, unfortunately
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[19:34:33] <jonaskirilla> I'm holding out for the Cell.. ;)
[19:34:33] <Dr3w> I'm not up for this two chips in one core malarky.
[19:34:33] <Dr3w> if you ask me, its all voodoo and marketing scam :)
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[19:36:09] <jonaskirilla> lol
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[19:36:09] <swer> dualcore=bebox on a chip ;)
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[19:36:12] <swer> well, bebox sans geekport
[19:36:12] <jonaskirilla> faster inter-processor communcation.. it could mean a lot of performance.
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[19:36:12] <CIA-6> laplace * current/src/add-ons/print/drivers/pcl6/ (9 files):
[19:36:12] <CIA-6> Added color dithering to reduce the size of data to be sent to printer by about 800 percent.
[19:36:12] <CIA-6> Added Add Printer dialog that allows the selection of the protocol class.
[19:36:12] <CIA-6> Made some features dependent on the chosen protocol class.
[19:36:13] <tic_> so it actually is two chipsets.
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[19:38:25] <CIA-6> laplace * current/src/add-ons/print/drivers/pcl6/ (PCL6Cap.h PCL6.cpp):
[19:38:25] <CIA-6> Added color dithering to reduce the size of data to be sent to printer by about 800 percent.
[19:38:25] <CIA-6> Added Add Printer dialog that allows the selection of the protocol class.
[19:38:25] <CIA-6> Made some features dependent on the chosen protocol class.
[19:40:06] <swer> does anyone know of an x86 portable comparable to the iBook in features/price that runs BeOS/Zeta?
[19:40:29] <Methe> swer there's a website for that
[19:40:31] <jixt> hi question
[19:40:32] <Methe> BeOS laptops
[19:40:45] <fyysik> seen JBurton
[19:40:51] <tic_> http://laptop.bug-nordic.org/index.php
[19:41:03] <jixt> can haiku be build on a MacOSX machine or does it need libs from the build system?
[19:41:10] <swer> I know about the web site, but it's hard to do a specific search without clicking them one by one
[19:41:33] <tic_> jixt, there's work on getting it to build under Linux, but I don't know if it's finished yet.
[19:41:40] <swer> plus I always prefer first-hand reviews :)
[19:42:07] <jixt> so for the moment it is not possible tic_
[19:42:16] <Methe> anyway IBM laptops just rox
[19:42:18] <Methe> simple
[19:42:20] <tic_> jixt, I don't think so, but it might.  Check out the tree and try.
[19:42:23] <Methe> They Just Work (TM)
[19:42:31] <tic_> jixt, http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/zooey
[19:42:35] <jixt> ok, first get jam for MacOsX
[19:42:42] <swer> I had an IBM before my iBook, loved it. Really good keyboards
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[19:43:22] <Dr_Evil> il>	i have an IBM R51 at work, it's nice, too
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[19:43:32] <jixt> thx tic_
[19:43:43] <swer> too bad the X series is so expensive, I love small notebooks
[19:43:47] <Methe> I have IBM T 40. never had anything to say about it. except it's the worst CD/DVD player ever made by mankind
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[19:43:49] <Methe> :))
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[19:44:29] <Dr_Evil> Methe so you are using my gigabit driver now?
[19:44:50] <Methe> you mean "right now" ?
[19:45:07] <Dr_Evil> no
[19:45:21] <Dr_Evil> why don't you tell me
[19:45:47] * Methe thinks he misunderstood something
[19:45:53] <swer> or I'll get a Tablet. Tablets are fun :)
[19:45:57] <Methe> Your driver works like a charm so far
[19:46:12] <Dr_Evil> ok great
[19:47:04] <Methe> It'll have extensive use as soon as I move from my flat
[19:47:25] <Methe> Being here (my flat) I have a home PC that runs BeOS where all my internet stuff with BeOS happen
[19:47:38] <Dr_Evil> im using it sicne a few month, seems to be stable :)
[19:47:49] <Methe> :)
[19:47:55] <Methe> I already guessed that
[19:48:03] <Methe> :))
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[19:48:31] <Dr_Evil> the driver zip includes a History file, as well as a readme
[19:48:40] <Methe> you already told me that
[19:48:42] <Methe> :)
[19:49:09] <Dr_Evil> hmm
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[20:10:37] <fyysik> Apple is hardware company. No wonder that OS X is so resource gready
[20:10:57] <agentmumu> hehe
[20:10:58] <fyysik> I think it is real reason why they refused to use BeOS as new MacOS
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[20:11:59] <swer> interesting theory
[20:13:09] <Dr3w> BeOS wasn't as complete as NeXT, which was their reason.
[20:13:11] <fyysik> ik>	i read that opinion already in 98/99
[20:13:31] <Dr3w> But it wouldn't have taken as long to complete BeOS as it did to turn NeXT into OS X.
[20:13:54] <Dr3w> I think the real reason is Steve Jobs.
[20:13:54] <fyysik> NeXT required almost 8 years from that decision to get mature enough to be used as MacOS
[20:14:04] <Dr3w> lol
[20:14:18] <fyysik> that's abou "completness"
[20:14:19] <swer> Steve Jobs is the only reason
[20:14:26] <Dr3w> Is that date of purchase to OS 10.2 ?
[20:15:16] <Dr3w> Hey fyysik, by the way, nice work on FireFox for BeOS.  I have been using it this weekend, and its *almost* ready for full time use.
[20:15:35] <fyysik> with number of Aplle employees and disappeared need to write xillion drivers BeOS could be made mature in 2 years
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[20:15:48] * fyysik uses Mozilla 1.7a
[20:16:17] * tqh uses Firefox :)
[20:16:35] <Dr3w> Hey tqh I didn't reaise you where here too - same thanks goes to you :)
[20:16:36] <fyysik> and BeOs had that app which allowed to run MacOS apps natively on PPC
[20:16:53] <Dr3w> Yeah, I use that to run PhotoShop 5 on my PPC box :)
[20:16:55] <swer> Classic included:)
[20:16:56] <Dr3w> SheepShaver.
[20:17:35] <fyysik> so argument about lack of backward compatibility was also BS
[20:17:40] <tqh> Dr3w np
[20:17:58] <Dr3w> I can't help think that if Apple did choose BeOS, they would have had some great stuff, but they wouldn't have had things like Oracle for OS X and the Xserve and Xraid.
[20:18:05] <swer> what binary format does BeOS/PPC use?
[20:18:10] <Dr3w> PE
[20:18:12] <Dr3w> or PEF/
[20:18:23] <Dr3w> Haiku on PPC won't.
[20:18:32] <swer> the same as OS 9 - so that would have made things even easier
[20:18:34] <fyysik> tqh - i did some experiments about faster drawing for width-justified text. Currently this is really slowest part
[20:18:36] <Dr3w> it will use ELF like eveyone else.
[20:18:55] <swer> currently, fighting with PEF and Macho coexisting in Mac OS X is a PITA
[20:19:09] <fyysik> tqh - tried to use escapement_delta parameter in DrawString
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[20:20:34] <fyysik> tqh - it ALMOST work. Why almost? Because spacing array in NS DrawString may be non-equidistant, and, unfortunately, BeOS DrawString takes in account only SINGLE escapement_delta
[20:20:44] <fyysik> applied to whole string
[20:21:22] <fyysik> Win32 API has more mature drawstring version, which takes array of character placements fro string
[20:21:57] <fyysik> this is why justified string drawing in Windows version of Mozilla/FF is much more effective
[20:23:06] <tqh> fyysik cool
[20:23:20] <fyysik> <P ALIGN="JUSTIFY">
[20:23:39] <fyysik> unfortunately we caanot use that trick:( So not that cool
[20:23:44] <fyysik> cannot
[20:24:19] <tqh> I'm curious if you could just skip B_WILL_DRAW on views and do all the drawing to one bitmap
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[20:25:12] <fyysik> we are getting justified string with that, but not in way Mozilla expects - characters' placement is different from that expecting by mozilla. So, for example, if you try to select text aligned that way - you'll get "dancing" string
[20:25:27] <Dr3w> Hmmmm.... something is making my BeOS install crash everynow and then.
[20:25:37] <Dr3w> Its happened twice in the last few hours.
[20:25:45] <Dr3w> I wonder if BeShare doesn't like BONE.
[20:25:52] <tqh> ah, like characters jump around?
[20:25:59] <fyysik> yup
[20:26:34] <swer> Dr3w: BONE beta?
[20:26:52] <fyysik> because Mozilla redraws part of string in that (and others) case, expecting that caracters are EXACTLY at place predicted by aSpacing array
[20:27:00] <tqh> well, I'm not sure you saw but I was thinking of redoing nsToolkit with a separate GUI-thread and port.
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[20:27:33] <tqh> giving it display priority or what it's called.
[20:27:51] <fyysik> tqh - i saw it, be sure. And that's very welcomed idea. Only thing that you probably should rewrite bootstrap code, but it is different for Mozilla and FF, i suspect
[20:28:23] <tqh> xpfe/bootstrap? or
[20:28:48] <fyysik> i'm afraid that that and some other parts of xpfe
[20:29:46] <fyysik> but maybe we already can rewrite something there for Mozilla, using FF changes for command line parameters handling
[20:29:54] <tqh> I have to fix toolkit/xre and xpfe/bootstrap for handling the BApp in a nativeAppSupport class instead of the boot code.
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[20:30:34] <tqh> I should setup a mozilla build
[20:30:52] * fyysik wonders why JBurton is disappeared when fyysik needs him and has some energy to try to use his code in Mozilla
[20:31:10] <tqh> I like the new build system, change a few params and you're building a different project.
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[20:31:31] <fyysik> yeah, it is more reasonable
[20:31:37] <tqh> maybe has a sixth sense :)
[20:33:01] <tqh> what's CO_PROJECT for Mozilla?
[20:34:17] <tqh> ah, suite
[20:36:54] <tqh> grr, client.mk don't care about # for CO_PROJECT
[20:39:17] <fyysik> tqh - this is little project which demonstrates how to do width-alignment
[20:39:29] <fyysik> run binary and stretch window
[20:40:40] <tqh> yes, tested it.
[20:41:18] <fyysik> hope Haiku will have more advanced DrawString() :)
[20:41:57] <tqh> fyysik Are you doing any new patches for gfx and widget?
[20:42:54] <fyysik> tqh - i mentioned in the blog that i'm working at font handling and string drawing. Partially took it from "JetGFX" code, but added more
[20:43:24] <fyysik> wish to add also JBurton's caching for get_text_width
[20:43:46] <tqh> ah, sounds good
[20:44:08] <fyysik> but maybe i will do, using your code, new StandardWindowCreate + PreCreate
[20:44:15] <fyysik> patch
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[20:44:48] <fyysik> as current version is so unaesthetical, so i almost going sick when starting to look at widget code:)
[20:44:51] <tqh> saw that Olivier has made a cross-compiler, so maybe someone should try to compile Mozilla for BeOS under Linux.
[20:45:15] <tqh> ah
[20:46:04] <fyysik> only thing which is still unsure for me, if we really can totally drop native elements for Invisible windows...
[20:47:15] <fyysik> because in theory it may affect focus appearence, when swithcing from popups, like URL-bar drop-down, to main window, or from dialogs, and all related to modality
[20:47:28] <fyysik> this is only thing which stopped me from submitting patch
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[20:48:15] <kos_tom> hi guys
[20:48:23] <adioanca> hi
[20:48:55] <witten> beos was neat
[20:48:57] <kos_tom> I don't know if you know the Libre Software Meeting, an event that takes place in France every year. Over 1000 people come to see talks organized in various topics. Some of these topics are technical ones.
[20:48:58] <witten> but is it worth cloning now?
[20:49:04] <witten> cherry blossoms fall
[20:49:08] <adioanca> anybody knows a WWW *working* link for BeBook?
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[20:49:31] <kos_tom> This year, I'm in charge of the "Kernel and operating system development" topic, and I would like to know if one (or some) of the Haiku developers wanted to give a talk about the project.
[20:49:44] <kos_tom> More information on http://thomas.enix.org/pub/call-for-talks-lsm-2005.txt
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[20:50:29] <tic_> hey geist
[20:51:20] <@geist> hi
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[20:55:41] <tqh> fyysik i don't know, I don't know what they are supposed to do.
[20:58:29] <fyysik> be parents for parentless windows
[20:59:19] <fyysik> but i don't know which parent features are really important there. And if we should change are idiotic impelmentations of ::GetParent
[21:03:12] <fyysik> tqh - asn some platform, IIRC, use invisible window for that purpose which you wish to implement with nsToolkit rewrite
[21:06:57] <tqh> fyysik yes that I know.
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[21:20:01] <tic_> geist, 'sup?
[21:20:06] <@geist> hi tic_
[21:20:22] <tic_> hi again. ;) what -is- up?
[21:20:30] <@geist> hi tic_
[21:20:36] * tic_ slaps geist
[21:20:41] <@geist> hi tic_
[21:28:01] <DaaT> eh
[21:28:08] <DaaT> just assume nothing's up tic_
[21:28:11] <DaaT> and be done with it
[21:28:13] <DaaT> :)
[21:28:29] <@geist> oh yeah sorry I actually was going to answer it eventually but I got sidetracked
[21:28:42] <@geist> not much, just got up a little while ago. putting together a grocery list
[21:29:15] <tic_> a-ha.  whatcha shopping?
[21:29:33] <@geist> food, toilet paper, etc
[21:29:43] <@geist> been running pretty low
[21:30:01] <DaaT> makes sense, one item goes in, the other helps with the reverse
[21:30:02] <@geist> then I might hack some code or maybe play games for a bit
[21:30:07] <@geist> that's right
[21:30:10] <DaaT> geist, tried WoW?
[21:30:31] <@geist> heh, yeah been playing that pretty much continuously since it came out here in the states
[21:30:38] <@geist> did it launch in europe yet?
[21:30:40] <DaaT> it's awesome
[21:30:41] <tic_> nope.
[21:30:41] <DaaT> nope
[21:30:46] <DaaT> played the stress test though
[21:30:53] <DaaT> spent the whole week playing it :D
[21:30:56] <DaaT> almost non-stop
[21:30:58] <@geist> and it plays in my mac just fine too
[21:30:59] <DaaT> loved it
[21:31:10] <@geist> I'm pretty slow though, I just now reached level 30
[21:31:16] <@geist> dont have that much time to play
[21:31:33] <dipp> damn..._everyone_ is playing WoW nowdays it seems :/...
[21:31:35] <DaaT> that week i reached.. lvl 15 or 16 i think
[21:31:42] <DaaT> dipp, the game _is_ awesome
[21:31:53] <DaaT> but of course geist, i was playing it quite a lot
[21:31:53] <@geist> it clobbered all the other mmorpgs in the US
[21:31:57] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - you complaining about bugs in multiaudio add-on. But does your ICH driver use it at all?
[21:32:05] <dipp> Too bad there isn't a Gnu/Linux-port of the game, else I would try it out
[21:32:19] <dipp> But Europe is still BETA right?
[21:32:23] <DaaT> yes
[21:32:26] <dipp> ok
[21:32:29] <DaaT> unfortunately
[21:32:36] <@geist> they had some serious stability problems initially
[21:32:39] <DaaT> yeah
[21:32:50] <DaaT> they didn't expect such a huge selling
[21:32:56] <@geist> but it basically turned out that 4x the number of people got it up front
[21:33:00] <DaaT> had to get new servers fast
[21:33:07] <@geist> now they've got 600k or so subscribers
[21:33:16] <@geist> probably more now, I heard they sold over a million boxes
[21:33:22] <DaaT> so it seems
[21:33:37] <DaaT> taking out those who only played the first month... still a pretty good number
[21:33:39] <@geist> which blows the other mmorpgs out of the water. everquest was setting at around 300k
[21:33:44] <@geist> and most of the other ones were at 100k or lower
[21:34:05] <@geist> but anyway, it's just *good*
[21:34:17] <tic_> geist, now of any passively cooled nVidia cards, >= NV36/5700?
[21:34:18] <DaaT> guild wars should become popular, mostly because it'll be free (if i remember correctly)
[21:34:20] <@geist> blizzard is fantastic about having just the right amount of polish to everything
[21:34:22] <DaaT> damn good geist :)
[21:34:31] <DaaT> yeah, every game they get out is awesome
[21:34:34] <@geist> tic_?
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[21:35:03] <tic_> geist, thought you might know as you're apparently into gaming and such. ;)
[21:35:13] <@geist> yeah but the sentence didn't make any sense
[21:35:14] <DaaT> ahh... now=know
[21:35:24] <@geist> ah no, I dont think there are
[21:35:43] <DaaT> tic_, unless you get one of those... zalman cooler
[21:35:44] <DaaT> s
[21:36:02] <tic_> I have one of them.
[21:36:14] <tic_> geist, that was supposed to be a "know", not "now"
[21:36:29] <tic_> but it might've broken my 5700LE. ;)
[21:36:52] <DaaT> i did that once, with my first RAdeon
[21:36:54] <@geist> yeah I haven't seen a passively cooled video card in a while, except for really really low end like geforce 4mx or radeon 7000
[21:37:00] <DaaT> oc'ed it too high... burned it
[21:37:04] <tic_> DaaT, ouch. :|
[21:37:06] <@geist> on the other hand, WoW is great at scaling down
[21:37:16] <tic_> I just -hate- noisy systems.
[21:37:24] <@geist> it's actually pretty low polygon count, they get most of the beautiful parts of the game out of nice textures
[21:37:27] <DaaT> yeah, looked and played awesome on my lowly radeon 8500
[21:37:34] <DaaT> and the music was quite nice too
[21:37:37] <DaaT> even if it was beta
[21:37:50] <geist> was this european beta or the original one?
[21:38:04] <DaaT> the stress test in north america, last year
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[21:41:37] <CIA-6> adioanca * current/src/kits/app/Looper.cpp: implemented _set_message_target_()
[21:46:40] <Dr_Evil> fyysik yes
[21:51:06] <TuneTracker> tic Hi
[21:51:07] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - that's interesting, because i didn't notice requirements for multiaudio add-on at bebits page. So does it use Be's add-on ? (no ICH audio here)
[21:51:49] <Dr_Evil> yes, the BeOS one
[21:51:50] <fyysik> had ICH only at work in Sweden, but that time ich driver didn't work with given version of chip
[21:51:51] <tic_> hey TuneTracker. My graphics card just blew up :)
[21:52:02] <TuneTracker> aaack!!
[21:52:05] <TuneTracker> sorry to hear it tic
[21:52:14] <tic_> thanks.. hopefully I can have a return.
[21:52:41] <tic_> going to check that tomorrow. going to bed in a while.  by the way, cedric answered my questions, going to see if I can work it out.
[21:53:17] <tic_> Dr_Evil, ICH4 supported as well? (the Pentium M-coupled SB)
[21:53:56] <Dr_Evil> yes, see bebits
[21:54:13] <tic_> yeah, but I mean someone actually tried using it? :)
[21:54:23] <Dr_Evil> yes
[21:54:35] <tic_> goodie.
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[21:59:31] <TuneTracker> tic Ah, glad to hear it, regarding the questions!
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[22:00:32] <tic_> TuneTracker, yeah.
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[22:01:10] <tic_> this double work/school thing is killing me, gotta stop doing this soon.
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[22:02:48] <swer> tic_: if you think that's hard, try work/work :p
[22:03:27] * TuneTracker thinks he'd rather try to do work/work than school/work
[22:04:06] <tic_> swer, yeah.  currently it actually is work/school/work.
[22:04:10] <tic_> swer, seven days a week.
[22:05:25] <swer> well, I have one regular job 9-6 and one part-time job in between
[22:06:52] <tic_> Mhm.
[22:07:22] <tic_> Tomorrow is work 7-13, school 13-17, more school 17-20, hopefully other work 20-22
[22:07:30] <tic_> I know the drill.... ;)
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[22:08:32] <swer> what is this "social life' all these people are talking about anway?
[22:08:52] <tic_> yeah, I have no idea
[22:09:01] * tic_ has been at work from 7 to 17 today
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[22:23:59] <jonaskirilla> guys, what are you using to compare folder and subfolders of files?
[22:25:46] <tic_> diff -r ?
[22:26:17] <Dr_Evil> -r -u
[22:28:10] <jonaskirilla> cool, thanks
[22:32:55] <fyysik> NathanW - did you send that info to guy who worked on LaTex? I'm afraid he dropped BeOS just for that reason - non working under netserver Broadcom card
[22:33:52] <NathanW> oh, I hadn't heard about that
[22:34:07] <fyysik> NathanW - about non-wroking driver?
[22:34:25] <NathanW> oh, yeah
[22:34:27] <NathanW> misza
[22:34:32] <fyysik> exactly
[22:34:40] <NathanW> I've been trying to nail this bug for a year
[22:34:46] <NathanW> But I don't have the hardware
[22:34:52] <NathanW> So it's very difficult
[22:35:00] <fyysik> ik>	i belive:)
[22:35:09] <NathanW> But I got 80 machines with this card to play with for the last 4 days
[22:35:22] <fyysik> 80 machines???
[22:35:25] <NathanW> The source of the bug was 2 lines of code :P
[22:35:28] <NathanW> yeah
[22:35:38] <NathanW> I was managing technology for a conference
[22:36:01] <tic_> yay :)
[22:36:02] <NathanW> And they all happened to have bcm4401s
[22:36:15] <fyysik> hehe
[22:36:55] * fyysik wonders why Haiku still lacks parallel port driver replacement
[22:37:20] <Dr_Evil> nobody needs it, and mmu_man is working on that
[22:37:32] <fyysik> ahh
[22:40:40] <swer> parallel port - what is that? ;)
[22:40:58] <swer> is that 8 USB ports in a row?
[22:41:29] <DaaT> no, that's a serial port
[22:43:15] <swer> j/k
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[22:43:41] <DaaT> i know
[22:44:23] <mmadia> NathanW
[22:45:41] <Dr_Evil> is USB really serial?
[22:46:16] <DaaT> i was jk as well
[22:46:17] <sys2> Universal Serial Bus
[22:46:22] <DaaT> but in a way, yes
[22:46:36] <DaaT> like sys2 just showed :)
[22:46:47] <Methe> well considering the number of wires in a USB cable I' have said yeah it's serial :/
[22:46:56] <Dr_Evil> ok ok, I wasn't serious
[22:46:57] <sys2> hehe :>
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[22:47:14] <swer> let's invent UPB then!
[22:47:15] <DaaT> conclusion is, noone was serious :)
[22:47:29] <Methe> :)
[22:47:42] <sys2> swer, and eliminate the strenght of not having to have 200 cables? :P
[22:47:55] <swer> of course!
[22:47:57] * DaaT does some bungie jumping using USB cables
[22:48:21] <swer> everyone's going 64bit these days
[22:48:31] <DaaT> *nod*
[22:48:38] <Methe> yeah except my dog
[22:48:42] <swer> why should we restrict our preipheral conenctions to 1bit at a time then?
[22:48:46] <sys2> DaaT, now thats a bad idea with a serial cable :P
[22:48:47] <DaaT> shame on your dog
[22:48:55] <swer> I want a 64bit connection fo rmy keyboard, so I can type faster :D
[22:48:58] <Methe> yeah but my dog works for NASA
[22:49:01] <DaaT> sys2, it was an usb cable, much stronger :)
[22:49:11] <sys2> DaaT, still its only 4 cables
[22:49:20] <sys2> a COM-port cable would be stronger
[22:49:26] <sys2> and that also is serial :P
[22:49:27] <DaaT> :)
[22:49:50] <swer> use a wide-SCSI cable tehn
[22:50:10] * fyysik wonders about USB idea. Something more featured and fast than RS232 but simpler than ethernet. Result? Yeah, faster. But is it really simpler than ethernet????:)))
[22:50:23] <DaaT> i'll use a proper elastic for bungie, if you don't mind :)
[22:50:44] <jonaskirilla> I'd use a spring roll.
[22:50:57] <sys2> has the 64bit "architecture" changed anything more then how many registers etc can be used? .. like getting rid of that stupid A20 thing :P
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[22:51:17] <DaaT> never tried bungie actually... rappel yes, and loved it
[22:51:52] <swer> the a20 gate is here to stay until all eternity
[22:52:14] <swer> just like the 4 primary partitions per hard drive limit
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[22:52:15] <dipp> would break to many stuff if you removed it
[22:52:19] <Dr_Evil> the a20 gate really is no problem
[22:52:48] <sys2> but using the bloddy keyboard thingie to enable high memory locations? :>
[22:52:56] <sys2> there has to be a cleaner way :P
[22:53:12] <Dr_Evil> you do that once during system boot, and you are done
[22:53:14] <sys2> dipp, what? .. they had to change a part of the boot process? :P
[22:53:17] <Dr_Evil> really doesn't matter at all
[22:53:31] <sys2> Dr_Evil, but its uggly .. its ancient...
[22:53:33] <dipp> sys2, bootloaders would not like that
[22:53:34] <sys2> we need to move forward!
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[22:54:39] <Methe> great sys2 is doing a brand new boot stuff :D
[22:54:53] <swer> but as we know from all software development, progress is adding new features, not fixing old bugs!
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[22:55:25] <DaaT> of course
[22:55:34] <dipp> hehe :)
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[23:10:43] <tqh> Wait, I am home.
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[23:11:37] <dipp> :)
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