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[00:00:20] <Dr_Evil> to bad, If you stayed two weeks, I could have visited you in mannheim
[00:00:35] <Dr_Evil> I guess hes slighty tired
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[00:13:06] <Dr3w> Hey folks.
[00:13:18] <Dr3w> I am on BeOS/x86 for the first time in about 2 years.
[00:13:27] * Dr3w dares people to version him!
[00:13:49] <Dr3w> :) what does it say??!!
[00:13:50] <DaaT> cool Dr3w
[00:13:57] <Procton> nice... a dual.
[00:14:03] <Procton> I wish I had a dual too.
[00:14:15] <Dr3w> Cost me 65 UK pounds!
[00:14:23] <Dr_Evil> night
[00:14:27] <Procton> what kind of cpu?
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[00:14:33] <Dr3w> PIII 700
[00:14:45] <Procton> ok.
[00:14:51] <Dr3w> Only thing is, I don't know how to get BON on it so I can use FireFox.
[00:15:10] <Procton> download.. install...? ;)
[00:15:27] <mmadia> there should be no issues installing bone7a*.zip on p3's
[00:15:42] <Dr3w> I don't know what to download.
[00:16:24] <Procton> what mmadia said.
[00:16:42] <Procton> I can't recall the exact filename either.
[00:16:47] <mmadia> bone7a.zip or bone7a_install.zip
[00:16:56] <kr1stof> http://beos.home.lt/files/files/bone7a_install.zip
[00:16:58] <Procton> you should find it on beshare though, no?
[00:17:03] <Procton> or.. there. :)
[00:17:11] <DaaT> eh
[00:17:41] <kr1stof> http://beos.1gb.ru/program/46/novaja_setka_7a_install.zip
[00:17:48] <mmadia> Dr3w of course, bone7a is of questionable legality, and you assume all responsibility of downloading, installing, and using.
[00:18:09] <mmadia> ( gotta make sure to include disclamers so companies can't sue me )
[00:18:16] <Dr3w> Thanks folks!
[00:18:17] <Procton> hehe...
[00:18:21] <kr1stof> :-)
[00:18:27] <Dr3w> I thikn I am going to turn this thing off.
[00:18:46] <Dr3w> all my archives on on a zip disk, and I need to connect it to this machine to get the stuff off it.
[00:19:13] <Dr3w> I have all my reg keys for SoundPlay and about 1000 other fully paid for sometfware somewhere!
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[00:22:33] <kr1stof> I know what you mean. You should alway make sure to have a backup of your most important thing like e.g. reg. keys etc.
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[00:24:13] <CIA-6> darkwyrm * current/src/servers/app/server/ (FontServer.cpp ServerApp.cpp): Tweaked the GetSystem font calls to prevent memory leaks
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[00:48:28] <SiCuTDeUs> hola
[00:49:26] <mmadia> hello SiCuTDeUs.
[00:49:38] <mmadia> "interesting" use of CAPS
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[00:52:13] <SiCuTDeUs> yes mmadia
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[01:32:36] <Edrin> hi again
[01:33:20] <Edrin> I was about to ask, is there some package system for haiku/beos? for example to get newest packages and update system...
[01:34:24] <@axeld> Edrin: you mean "is there" or "will there be"?
[01:34:36] <Edrin> both
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[01:35:01] <Edrin> axeld?
[01:35:26] <@axeld> Edrin: I don't think we'll have that for R1
[01:35:35] <Edrin> why not?
[01:36:00] <@axeld> Because we want to get the whole thing out of the door one day :-)
[01:36:09] <Sg_Henry> package systems are not so important in beos
[01:36:24] <MikeW> licence roberts webstore thing :)
[01:36:36] <Edrin> Sg_Henry: why not? i think that is really a need for up-to-date OSs...
[01:36:53] <Sg_Henry> has Windows a package system?
[01:37:18] <Sg_Henry> libraries are updated in Beos from year to year
[01:37:20] <Edrin> somehow yes... there is this update thing to download new security fixes...
[01:37:26] <Sg_Henry> and most of them are back-compatible
[01:38:15] <Sg_Henry> Linux need packages, because people wants those programs and libs that were coded last night
[01:38:43] <mmadia> edrin Windows is also a security nightmare.  the weakest app, IE, is integrated into core OS apps+libs
[01:38:47] <Edrin> esspecially for Haiku Release it would be nice. over night system can be updated automatically as there will happen many fixes in the first time...
[01:39:26] <Sg_Henry> well, those are OS updates
[01:39:53] <Edrin> so you can sync your BeOS installation with newest updates autamically
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[01:42:18] <Sg_Henry> zip + script installers are enought, at least now
[01:42:31] <@axeld> Edrin: sure, it would be nice, but it's not essential
[01:47:54] <SiCuTDeUs> excuseme
[01:48:02] <SiCuTDeUs> i'm new in the channel
[01:48:18] <SiCuTDeUs> iCuTDeUs>	i agree with mmadia
[01:48:25] <SiCuTDeUs> windows is a security nightmare
[01:48:36] <SiCuTDeUs> but... i dont agree with zeta distro
[01:48:48] <SiCuTDeUs> is like a hacked beos distro
[01:49:10] <SiCuTDeUs> the only diference with beosmax distro is that they are charging for it
[01:49:24] <slaad> Le sigh.
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[01:49:46] <SiCuTDeUs> my english is not very good
[01:49:48] <SiCuTDeUs> iam from venezuela
[01:50:05] <Sg_Henry> se nota, que eres de habla latina
[01:50:06] <Sg_Henry> :)
[01:50:24] <SiCuTDeUs> sip
[01:51:03] <@axeld> SiCuTDeUs: no, Zeta is an extended BeOS - it just has a new name and a new company
[01:51:18] <SiCuTDeUs> de donde eres Sg_Henry
[01:51:31] <SiCuTDeUs> that is legal?
[01:52:16] <SiCuTDeUs> they are using palm code for this
[01:53:02] 
[01:53:09] <@axeld> SiCuTDeUs: they are using code they licensed
[01:55:04] <mmadia> axeld have they licensed all of the code or just certain parts of it?
[01:57:10] <@axeld> mmadia: AFAIK all of the code
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[02:01:23] <SiCuTDeUs> iCuTDeUs>	i buy recently i copy of Zeta Neo for 99$... and i was disapointed... i prefer my BeOS 5.0 PRO... its like other free beos distribution just a litle better
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[02:06:37] <@axeld> SiCuTDeUs: Sure, I currently prefer BeOS, too - but Zeta is not yet finished and shouldn't be judged until it really is
[02:09:23] <Methe> Kikooooooo axeld
[02:09:41] <mmadia> TBH, the term "Zeta Neo" offers to hints to it not being a final product.
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[02:15:16] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/headers/private/kernel/util/ (DoublyLinkedList.h DoublyLinkedList2.h): Appended the new DoublyLinkedList implementation to DoublyLinkedList.h. The old implementation will go, when all the places where it is used have been adjusted.
[02:16:59] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/MessageDeliverer.cpp: DoublyLinkedList lives in the <util/DoublyLinkedList.h>.
[02:21:07] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/Jamfile: Include dir "private/kernel/util" not longer needed, since we already have "private/kernel" and include <util/...>.
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[02:49:17] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/headers/private/kernel/util/DoublyLinkedList.h:
[02:49:17] <CIA-6> * Added DoublyLinkedListMemberGetLink class which directly accesses the
[02:49:17] <CIA-6> link member in the element class. Usually more comfortable for structs.
[02:49:17] <CIA-6> * Added Add() method as synonym for Insert().
[02:49:17] <CIA-6> * Made fGetLink member static to save memory in objects using it.
[02:50:09] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/kernel/core/cache/block_cache.cpp: Switched to new DoublyLinkedList class.
[02:53:27] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/kernel/core/fs/IOScheduler.h: Switched to new DoublyLinkedList class.
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[03:13:01] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/headers/private/kernel/util/DoublyLinkedList.h: It's fun to rename functions in templatized code. You only realize, that you missed some, when that specific part is instantiated.
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[03:19:46] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Switched to new DoublyLinkedList class.
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[03:31:31] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/headers/private/kernel/util/DoublyLinkedList.h: Work around a gcc bug: A private typedef in a base class can class with an equal identifier in a derived class.
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[03:59:31] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/boot/platform/bios_ia32/mmu.cpp:
[03:59:31] <CIA-6> Moved the "random spots" for the first two page tables to 0x91000 and 0x92000
[03:59:31] <CIA-6> respectively; the area from 0x9f000-0x100000 is not really usable anyway, so
[03:59:31] <CIA-6> we can safely cut down the maximum size of the boot loader to around 500 kB.
[03:59:31] <CIA-6> Therefore, the first free physical page is now at 0x100000 straight.
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[04:02:03] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/boot/platform/bios_ia32/serial.cpp:
[04:02:03] <CIA-6> Fixed broken conditional ENABLE_SERIAL handling.
[04:02:03] <CIA-6> Also added a comment about what ENABLE_SERIAL is for.
[04:15:52] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/boot/platform/bios_ia32/shell.S:
[04:15:53] <CIA-6> Fixed the bug that prevented the boot loader from running on many current
[04:15:53] <CIA-6> systems: good old A20 gate was not properly enabled on all hardware. Even
[04:15:53] <CIA-6> if it's not perfect now, either, it seems to work on many more systems
[04:15:53] <CIA-6> (all I have access to, anyway).
[04:15:53] <CIA-6> Please report if you have any issues with the 0x92 port A20 gate method.
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[04:36:32] <eazel7> hi ppl
[04:48:47] <eazel7> if I'd like to change the way the windows are maximized, where should the code be rewritten? (app_server, I guess)
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[05:27:29] <CIA-6> nwhitehorn * current/headers/os/add-ons/mail_daemon/ChainRunner.h: Made public headers not depend on private ones
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[05:36:39] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/ (glue/start_dyn.c libroot/libroot_init.c):
[05:36:39] <CIA-6> Got the separation between start_dyn.o and libroot.so wrong:
[05:36:39] <CIA-6> __libc_argc and __libc_argv are initialized in libroot's startup code.
[05:36:39] <CIA-6> That fix now makes BApplication::ArgvReceived() work as it should.
[05:40:35] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kits/app/Application.cpp:
[05:40:35] <CIA-6> fill_argv_message() now takes a reference as parameter.
[05:40:35] <CIA-6> Also fixed BApplication::do_argv() which didn't NULL terminate the array
[05:40:35] <CIA-6> as it should have done, and would call ArgvReceived() with argc == 0 and
[05:40:35] <CIA-6> a NULL parameter for argv.
[05:40:36] <CIA-6> Removed strange trailing spaces at the end of the lines for those two functions.
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[06:39:22] <agentmumu> hui, haiku does boot on my laptop!
[06:44:21] <w-ber> :o
[06:46:12] <qwm> :D
[06:46:57] <NathanW> Can anyone build the new kernel code?
[06:47:48] <agentmumu> new kernel code?
[06:48:00] <NathanW> that was committed a couple minutes ago
[06:48:05] <agentmumu> i just compiled a fresh checkout
[06:48:09] <agentmumu> NathanW: yes
[06:48:37] <NathanW> It builds for you?
[06:48:47] <agentmumu> it builds, and runs on my laptop
[06:49:00] <NathanW> weird
[06:49:04] <NathanW> I'm getting compile errors
[06:49:30] <agentmumu> are you using olivers gcc?
[06:49:34] <NathanW> yes
[06:49:58] <agentmumu> what kind of errors?
[06:50:39] <CIA-6> nwhitehorn * current/src/kernel/glue/start_dyn.c: Fixed a build error.
[06:50:44] <NathanW> undefined symbol
[06:52:02] <agentmumu> oh, the last to commits of axeld didn't make it in my checkout
[06:52:02] <NathanW> Missing:
[06:52:05] <NathanW> extern char **__libc_argv;
[06:52:06] <NathanW> extern int __libc_argc;
[06:52:08] <NathanW> yeah
[06:52:21] <NathanW> libbe.so also seems to be missing a KMessage.cpp
[06:52:24] <agentmumu> two
[06:52:25] <NathanW> don't know what that's about
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[06:58:57] <NathanW> hrrrrrrrrrrm..........
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[07:11:51] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/glue/start_dyn.c: That's how the build fix should have looked alike :-)
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[07:14:30] <NathanW> wow
[07:14:34] <NathanW> Haiku boots on my real hardware
[07:14:42] <NathanW> that's amazing
[07:15:42] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/apps/rld/ (rldelf.c arch/ppc/rldreloc.inc arch/x86/rldreloc.inc): Changed return type of relocate_image() from bool to status_t.
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[07:18:22] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/file_cache.h: Added some more and better cache notifications.
[07:20:23] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/ (syscalls.h vfs.h):
[07:20:23] <CIA-6> Added some more convenience VFS calls (vfs_stat_vnode(), and vfs_get_vnode_name()).
[07:20:23] <CIA-6> Removed *_create() and *_create_entry_ref() syscalls - they are now handled by
[07:20:24] <CIA-6> *_open() and *_open_entry_ref() calls which get another parameter for the permissions.
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[07:21:56] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/ (elf.c fs/vfs.cpp):
[07:21:56] <CIA-6> Added two more convenience VFS calls: vfs_stat_vnode(), and vfs_get_vnode_name().
[07:21:56] <CIA-6> Removed *_create() and *_create_entry_ref() syscalls - they are now handled by
[07:21:56] <CIA-6> *_open() and *_open_entry_ref() calls which get another parameter for the permissions.
[07:23:03] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/libroot/posix/unistd/open.c:
[07:23:03] <CIA-6> _kern_open() now has an additional parameter and replaces _kern_create().
[07:23:03] <CIA-6> Fixed permission handling - the umask is now correctly applied.
[07:24:01] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/apps/rld/rldelf.c: _kern_open() now has one more argument.
[07:27:12] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kits/storage/ (Node.cpp File.cpp):
[07:27:12] <CIA-6> _kern_open[_entry_ref]() now replaces the _kern_create[_entry_ref]() calls.
[07:27:12] <CIA-6> That allows BFile to actually create files (it didn't use that syscall at
[07:27:12] <CIA-6> all before).
[07:27:12] <CIA-6> Also fixed setting the permission bits of the newly created file depending on umask
[07:27:13] <CIA-6> (the __gUmask variable should probably be moved into a separate header).
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[07:30:31] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/ (team.c cache/file_cache.cpp): Improved capabilities of the file cache modules.
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[07:50:08] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/fs/vfs.cpp:
[07:50:08] <CIA-6> unistd/open.c should be changed to contain this variable when it's compiled
[07:50:08] <CIA-6> for the kernel - but since we still compile libroot.so with kernel build
[07:50:08] <CIA-6> rules, I place it there for now.
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[09:15:16] <@JBurton> ola
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[10:34:31] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/ (ChannelControl.cpp ChannelSlider.cpp): Implemented some more BChannelControl methods. It's almost fully functional. BChannelSlider won't crash if ThumbFor() returns NULL.
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[10:34:53] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi
[10:34:54] <@JBurton> hey ahwayakchih
[10:35:01] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi JBurton
[10:35:50] <ahwayakchih> any bash or PERL scripter here? someone who knows regular expressions and could write a little script? :)
[10:36:27] * JBurton does NOT raise his hand
[10:36:34] <ahwayakchih> (script must be in bash because that's the only interpreter available on BeOS by default, bu perl expressions can be used in sed AFAIK)
[10:36:40] <ahwayakchih> JBurton :)
[10:37:15] <ahwayakchih> JBurton what i need is a script which could convert expander.rule file so it uses attr2bmsg
[10:37:23] <ahwayakchih> JBurton and similar for archiver.rule
[10:37:58] <ahwayakchih> JBurton because i think that just adding some kind of README with instructions how to do it is not enough for common user
[10:38:38] <@JBurton> hmmm yeah true
[10:38:49] <ahwayakchih> (they might be lost at the point where one has to change %s in command to soemthing else, and glue some other commands before and after that thing ;)
[10:38:55] <@JBurton> :)
[10:39:30] <@JBurton> ahwayakchih brb in 10 minutes
[10:39:33] <ahwayakchih> ok
[10:39:35] <ahwayakchih> :)
[10:40:45] <ahwayakchih> or maybe LUA script? (AFAIK lua can be compiled into executable, which also would work for me)
[10:41:11] * ahwayakchih finds it funny to copy&paste own talk between IRC and BeShare ;)
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[11:05:38] <@JBurton> re
[11:05:56] <ahwayakchih> re JBurton
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[11:18:00] <@JBurton> hi Korli
[11:18:10] <@Korli> hi JBurton
[11:19:11] <@JBurton> I think I have almost fixed the textview problem. At least, this morning I hacked it a bit, and I could get a rendering similar to r5 one. Though it's not finished yet
[11:19:14] <@JBurton> nor committed
[11:19:20] <@JBurton> Korli
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[11:20:25] <@Korli> ok
[11:20:31] <@Korli> good news
[11:20:40] <@JBurton> what about the other problem ? :P
[11:20:50] <@JBurton> any news ?
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[11:22:17] <ahwayakchih> cya
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[11:22:19] <@JBurton> bye ah
[11:22:22] <@JBurton> doh
[11:28:30] <@JBurton> Korli are you going to commit the WindowPrivate header ?
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[11:30:12] <thewolf> would it be evil if I downloaded BeOS R5 pro?
[11:30:37] <thewolf> or personal?
[11:32:02] <@JBurton> personal ? no, it's free
[11:32:06] <@JBurton> (of charge)
[11:32:13] <@JBurton> pro ? yes, it would be evil enough, IMHO
[11:32:28] <thewolf> do they still make money from pro?
[11:32:41] <@JBurton> no, but what does that mean ?
[11:33:01] <@JBurton> that doesn't make it less evil
[11:33:08] <@JBurton> anyway, personal == pro
[11:33:10] <thewolf> why?
[11:33:17] <@JBurton> there is no difference, really
[11:33:35] <thewolf> one installs on the hard drive the other doesn't right?
[11:33:39] <matricks> Realplayer... perhaps
[11:33:51] <@JBurton> no, thewolf, you can install the personal edition on your harddrive too
[11:34:04] <@JBurton> matricks bah, who wants an old crappy realplayer
[11:34:07] <mmadia> http://betips.net will show you a few ways to do it.
[11:34:14] <matricks> JBurton: my old crappy grandmother? :)
[11:34:17] <thewolf> JBurton, thought so... bu thats now what they say the diff is :P
[11:34:18] <@JBurton> ahah
[11:34:36] <thewolf> hah
[11:38:01] <thewolf> Can R5 be downloaded from bebits.org?
[11:38:20] <@JBurton> no, from bebits.com
[11:38:21] <@JBurton> :)
[11:38:27] <thewolf> oh :P
[11:38:34] <@JBurton> http://www.bebits.com/app/2680
[11:38:56] <thewolf> thanks
[11:38:58] <matricks> should be http://www.bebits.com/app/1 :)
[11:39:27] <thewolf> yeah
[11:39:31] <thewolf> or app/0
[11:40:18] <matricks> -1? :)
[11:40:20] <mmadia> thewolf this may be more useful than R5 PE   http://forums.begroovy.com//index.php?topic=4967.msg33732#msg33732
[11:40:33] <thewolf> app/foobar
[11:41:13] <mmadia> as it's PE  pre-bundled w/patches, updated drivers to make installation and use easier.
[11:41:51] <thewolf> mmadia, ah! How did you know! :)
[11:42:11] <matricks> the community really needs haiku :) BeOS gets harder and harder to install
[11:42:21] <matricks> I can't get it to work on any of my computers at home
[11:42:43] <@Korli> JBurton i didn't do anything on the other problem
[11:43:12] <@JBurton> okay, np
[11:43:31] <@JBurton> is your local version much different than the one in cvs Korli ?
[11:43:46] <thewolf> yeah, how long till RC1? three years?
[11:43:48] <thewolf> :P
[11:44:01] <@JBurton> nah, don't think so
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[11:44:41] <thewolf> more?
[11:45:05] <@JBurton> less, hopefully
[11:45:09] <thewolf> I think I will wait for it anyhow, I don't trust BeOS installations...
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[12:02:45] <@JBurton> Korli I think adi wants something from you
[12:05:36] <@Korli> adi ?
[12:05:46] <CIA-6> korli * current/headers/private/interface/WindowPrivate.h: Added a private header for window looks, types, feels
[12:05:47] <@JBurton> yes, on the list
[12:05:51] <@JBurton> oooh too late :P
[12:06:55] <@Korli> ok i'll elaborate on this
[12:07:02] <@JBurton> ok
[12:07:15] <@JBurton> btw I just replied, though the message hasn't showed up in the list yet
[12:08:28] <@JBurton> okay, it's come
[12:09:34] <@JBurton> kLeftTitledWindowLook, it's really descriptive :P
[12:09:38] <@JBurton> seriously
[12:09:50] <@JBurton> I couldn't have thought of a better name :P
[12:11:06] <thewolf> yeah
[12:11:12] <thewolf> thats actually a good name
[12:11:37] <thewolf> unlike classThingThatLooksBlue
[12:12:18] <@JBurton> eheh
[12:12:29] <thewolf> its in some css I'm editing: .classThingThatLooksBlue { background : red; font-weight : bold; color : white; )
[12:12:34] <thewolf> no blue about it
[12:13:39] <@JBurton> lol
[12:13:46] <@JBurton> blue as sad, maybe
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[12:41:44] <@JBurton> brb
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[12:52:00] <@JBurton> tr
[12:52:01] <@JBurton> re
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[12:59:22] <@JBurton> hi Methe
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[13:11:50] <sys2> where can i get hold of the gcc/binutils sources?
[13:12:45] <@JBurton> hmmmm
[13:12:53] <@JBurton> which versions ?
[13:13:11] <Methe> hiho JBurton
[13:13:31] <sys2> latest? :> .. i guess gcc 3.4 whatever works fine as its not for compiling programs for beos .. its to try to get avr-gcc working :>
[13:14:07] <sys2> ohh no tulip driver :/
[13:14:38] <@JBurton> sys2 don't know, www.gnu.org ? :P
[13:14:46] <@JBurton> but there is some 3.soemthing on bebits
[13:14:56] <sys2> but isnt it patched in some ways to work on beos? :>
[13:15:12] <@JBurton> I think it compiles out of the box
[13:15:15] <sys2> or does it compile out of the box as long as i dont try to make binaries for beos :>
[13:15:16] <sys2> ohh :>
[13:15:18] <sys2> thats sweet
[13:15:26] <sys2> have to try that later then :>
[13:15:32] <@JBurton> you CAN make binaries for beos
[13:15:40] <sys2> with 3.4 ? :>
[13:15:42] <@JBurton> you just can't use beos C++ classes
[13:15:50] <sys2> ohh
[13:15:54] <@JBurton> i.e. you can write SDL apps, for example
[13:15:55] <@JBurton> for beos
[13:15:57] <@JBurton> with gcc 3.4
[13:16:09] <@JBurton> wesnoth is compiled with gcc 3.3 or 3.4
[13:16:11] <@JBurton> can't remember
[13:16:12] <sys2> make a layer for gcc 3.4 over the beos classes then ? :P
[13:16:28] <@JBurton> you should make a C layer, though :P
[13:16:29] <sys2> libbe_34.so :P
[13:16:32] <@JBurton> good luck :P
[13:16:43] <sys2> JBurton, thats what i tried to do for C#
[13:17:02] <sys2> but with my limited knowledge of the language and how to work everything i fell :>
[13:17:08] <@JBurton> ;P
[13:34:15] <@Korli> re
[13:34:26] <@Korli> JBurton kMenuWindow is a feel ?
[13:35:39] <@JBurton> yes
[13:35:50] <@Korli> hmm my mistake
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[13:36:57] <@JBurton> you won't be punished this time, if you make public excuses Korli :P
[13:37:58] <@JBurton> I used it here: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/open-beos/current/src/kits/interface/MenuWindow.cpp?rev=1.6&view=markup
[13:38:41] <@Korli> i>	i thought kMenuWindow is a window type
[13:39:57] <@JBurton> hmmmmmm
[13:40:05] <@JBurton> wait a sec
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[13:42:05] <@JBurton> BMenuWindow is created with window_feel = 1025
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[13:43:43] <@JBurton> hmmm you could be right Korli :P
[13:44:19] <@JBurton> window_look is 20, which is B_BORDERED_WINDOW_LOOK
[13:44:21] * Methe TROUT SLAP JBurton :))
[13:44:28] <@JBurton> (I just noticed I screwed this in BMenuWindow)
[13:44:43] <@JBurton> so, actually, window_feel = 1025 is menuwindowlook
[13:45:06] <@JBurton> and B_BORDERED_WINDOW_LOOK and "1025" window_feel could be "menuwindow" type
[13:45:17] <@JBurton> er
[13:45:19] <@JBurton> doh
[13:45:23] <@JBurton> the opposite:P
[13:45:25] <@JBurton> aargh
[13:45:29] <Methe> :)
[13:45:57] <@JBurton> sorry, I got confused :)
[13:46:03] <@JBurton> lemme check your header
[13:47:31] <@Korli> it's very confusing
[13:47:49] <@JBurton> okay, let me commit this:
[13:48:02] <@Korli> looking at libbe.so asm
[13:48:45] <@JBurton> btw, looking at the numbers, I think kWindowScreenWindow is also a window_feel
[13:49:31] <@Korli> it's used for window type in tracker
[13:49:36] <@JBurton> ah ok
[13:49:45] <@Korli> but i'm really not sure
[13:50:36] <@JBurton> Korli 1025 is a window_feel, that I'm sure
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[13:51:26] <@JBurton> (menu window feel)
[13:54:57] <@JBurton> hmmm btw I think we should've written those as hex numbers, Korli
[13:55:25] <@JBurton> may I commit that menuwindow look/feel change ?
[13:57:45] <@JBurton> Korli (before I leave) ?
[13:59:13] <@JBurton> too late, I'm leaving :P
[13:59:14] <@JBurton> bye all
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[14:33:58] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Vertical() can be const and should be, when invoked on a const instance.
[14:40:44] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/kits/storage/LibBeAdapter.cpp: Fixed build of libbeadapter.so and libopenbeos.so.
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[14:54:55] <CIA-6> korli * current/headers/private/interface/WindowPrivate.h:
[14:54:55] <CIA-6> kMenuWindowLook is actually a kMenuWindowFeel
[14:54:55] <CIA-6> Added private flags
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[15:19:52] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/headers/os/storage/NodeMonitor.h: Haiku will provide more information for B_ATTR_CHANGED and B_STAT_CHANGED events.
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[15:27:07] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/headers/os/storage/NodeMonitor.h: The curse of aging... a trembling hand. ;-)
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[15:56:49] <desidaerius504> hi, could someone running BeOS take a look at my website and tell me if the tables appear to be displaying properly?
[16:02:30] <jonaskirilla> desidaerius504: with NetPositive you mean?
[16:02:37] <jonaskirilla> desidaerius504: or Mozilla?
[16:02:47] <desidaerius504> will any BeOS-ported browser.
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[16:02:59] <jonaskirilla> desidaerius504: URL?
[16:03:15] <desidaerius504> if i post the URL in here will I get kicked?
[16:03:44] <jonaskirilla> desidaerius504: probably not unless it's got some bad content
[16:04:09] <desidaerius504> okay, didnt know the channels rules on posting URLS. http://www.amarantus.us
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[16:06:50] <jonaskirilla> desidaerius504: both Net+ and Mozilla appear to display it "ok"
[16:07:38] <desidaerius504> okay cool :-)
[16:07:39] <jonaskirilla> desidaerius504: you really should avoid using tables though
[16:07:48] <jonaskirilla> it's kind of old school
[16:07:56] <desidaerius504> lol
[16:08:25] <jonaskirilla> not that it matters a whole lot :)
[16:08:52] <desidaerius504> no, as long as it gets the job done.
[16:09:30] <w-ber> jonaskirilla: I've been out of HTML/XHTML developement for ages. What do you use instead of tables?
[16:10:47] <jonaskirilla> w-ber: CSS
[16:11:15] <jonaskirilla> w-ber: it limits you somewhat, but it's more "PC"
[16:11:25] <desidaerius504> I really ought to learn to use CSS, but tables always worked for everythign else I needed
[16:11:29] <desidaerius504> PC?
[16:11:35] <jonaskirilla> Politically Correct
[16:11:45] <desidaerius504> how so?
[16:12:14] <jonaskirilla> same content working regardless of what browser.. Net+ shite browser or Mozilla whizzbang.. or Cellphone grasshopper
[16:12:23] <jonaskirilla> askirilla>	as well as the disabled
[16:12:26] <jonaskirilla> users
[16:12:34] <w-ber> hmm
[16:12:37] <jonaskirilla> blind, braille readers
[16:12:44] <jonaskirilla> stuff like that
[16:12:45] <w-ber> Net+ supports CSS 2.0? :)
[16:13:10] <jonaskirilla> w-ber: nope, but CSS-pages display "OK" on non-CSS browsers
[16:13:31] <w-ber> jonaskirilla: "OK" as in?
[16:13:41] <w-ber> text all over the place in no order?
[16:13:44] <jonaskirilla> they display like crap, but it's a focus-shift towards _content_ rather than on _exact placement_
[16:13:55] <w-ber> well, that's always a good policy
[16:14:04] <desidaerius504> What is the homepage for Net+?
[16:14:16] <jonaskirilla> w-ber: blocks of content after each other in good order
[16:14:27] <jonaskirilla> desidaerius504: eh?.. there is none
[16:14:31] <desidaerius504> I figure if the content isnt worth crap, who cares what it looks like :-p
[16:14:34] <w-ber> jonaskirilla: yeah, I know something about CSS 1.0 at least :)
[16:14:34] <jonaskirilla> desidaerius504: NetPositive is dead
[16:14:46] <desidaerius504> that sucks :(
[16:15:37] <jonaskirilla> Mozilla is huge in comparison.. good, but huge
[16:15:59] <jonaskirilla> hope they make some progress on that gecko embedded thingy
[16:16:34] <w-ber> Net+ was always lightning fast
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[16:17:25] <jonaskirilla> I use Net+ everyday.. Great for the BeBook, OSNews, etc.
[16:17:34] <w-ber> btw, if you want to create a really small WWW browser, here's a hairy script that extracts all the tags and tag options from HTML/XML: http://w-ber.ormgas.com/code/tagextract.pl
[16:17:36] <jonaskirilla> I use Mozilla a lot too, though
[16:18:18] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/headers/os/drivers/fs_interface.h: Added parameters to notify_{stat,attribute}_change() that will give more information on what actually happened.
[16:18:19] <jonaskirilla> lol.. open file or die..
[16:19:35] <desidaerius504> heh
[16:19:53] <eazel7> I wanted to create a window with a button (and I did), but the button is not clickable
[16:19:58] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/kernel/core/fs/node_monitor.cpp:
[16:19:58] <CIA-6> Implemented all notify_*() functions. As soon as no longer used anywhere,
[16:19:58] <CIA-6> notify_listener() and send_notification() can be dropped.
[16:21:06] <eazel7> ooh, forget about it, I've found what I did wrong
[16:22:04] <matricks> the best way to find a bug is to explain the system and the problem to another person.. he wont solve it but you will
[16:22:42] <w-ber> so true
[16:22:55] <eazel7> hehe
[16:23:30] <eazel7> so, support chats would be a lot of incommunicated people solving problems
[16:23:32] <eazel7> =P
[16:25:00] <matricks> atricks>	a java guru had noone that he could go to so he explained it to a doll sitting on his screen
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[16:28:37] <thaflo> which license has Helios?
[16:30:38] <eazel7> freeware...
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[16:32:36] <thaflo> or opensource
[16:32:50] <eazel7> it says 'source code will be available later'
[16:32:57] <CIA-6> korli * current/src/servers/input/ (BottomlineWindow.cpp Jamfile): now uses kLeftTitledWindowLook from WindowPrivate.h
[16:32:58] <eazel7> but the homepage of helios has died
[16:33:07] <MikeW> helios is always dieing
[16:33:47] <thaflo> but under which license do i use it now?
[16:34:35] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kits/storage/LibBeAdapter.cpp:
[16:34:35] <CIA-6> umask is negated before it's applied, so S_IUMSK wouldn't quite do what you'd
[16:34:35] <CIA-6> expect from it. Changed to the default 022.
[16:34:39] <eazel7> doesn't says
[16:35:10] <thaflo> hmm
[16:35:18] <jonaskirilla> is the anoncvs lagged?
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[16:36:32] <eazel7> if I would want to modify the way the windows are maximized where should I look in the haiku source?
[16:36:49] <eazel7> (whan it be implemented, which part)
[16:36:53] <jonaskirilla> Zoom()
[16:36:57] <eazel7> app_server?
[16:37:04] <eazel7> I mean, all windows
[16:37:27] <jonaskirilla> no idea.. I think that would be a bad thing
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[16:37:38] <jonaskirilla> given the way the BeOS API is written
[16:38:03] <jonaskirilla> separate maximize / minimize buttons aren't BeOS-like
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[16:38:09] <jonaskirilla> and it doesn't fit with the API
[16:40:09] <eazel7> I didn't say to separate
[16:40:42] <jonaskirilla> eazel7: how do you want windows to maximize?
[16:41:03] <eazel7> just to let it check if Deskbar is running and if it is docked down or top, and maximize to all desktop except deskbar
[16:41:18] <jonaskirilla> yes, good idea
[16:41:20] <eazel7> (of course, that to be an option)
[16:42:21] <jonaskirilla> perhaps you only need to touch the interface kit code
[16:42:40] <eazel7> 'cause, you know, moving windows to reach the application menu is not very nice for a desktop or a single user
[16:42:49] <eazel7> that would be
[16:43:05] <eazel7> who is at charge of the interface kit?
[16:43:31] <eazel7> I'd like to contact him
[16:43:47] <jonaskirilla> it's a team, try the mailinglist
[16:43:53] <eazel7> ok
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[16:45:07] <jonaskirilla> the page link is bad, but it's there: http://haiku-os.org/contribute.php?mode=team_view&id=app%20/%20interface
[16:45:50] <jonaskirilla> I'm not sure if there's a listing of people anywhere
[16:45:56] <eazel7> where is the mailing list?
[16:46:13] <jonaskirilla> search for openbeos or haiku over at freelists.org
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[17:45:24] <CIA-6> korli * current/src/add-ons/input_server/methods/canna/ (Jamfile KouhoWindow.cpp): Moved to kLeftTitledWindowLook
[17:46:00] <CIA-6> korli * current/headers/private/interface/WindowPrivate.h: added a dependency on Window.h
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[17:48:46] <sys2> WG511 driver for beos .. anyone? :>
[17:53:02] <kr1stof> wireless card?
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[17:53:57] <sys2> yes
[17:54:19] <kr1stof> AFAIK not.
[17:54:28] <kr1stof> http://patrick.lafarguette.free.fr/en/beos/wm3b2200bg/
[17:54:50] <kr1stof> patrick is THE "wireless guy"
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[17:54:57] <sys2> sure i could buy a separate one but thing is that its a "kit" im buying, router + pc-card
[17:55:06] <sys2> alot better price then buying em by themselfs
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[17:56:43] <kr1stof> If you want it to be supported in BeOS, you better check out the few supported chipsets and buy a card separate with one of the supported chips
[17:57:20] <kr1stof> writing w-lan drivers is obviously not that easy.
[17:58:26] <kr1stof> Check, if the card supports the IEEE 802.11g  standard
[17:59:02] <kr1stof> http://www.bebits.com/app/4031
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[17:59:16] <kr1stof> http://www.bebits.com/app/3639
[18:00:19] <sys2> ive been looking on the 2nd there but i cant tell if it supports WG5100 or not ...
[18:01:48] <kr1stof> there is another link concerning wireless & BeOS http://www.nylonoxygen.com/wireless_howto_web.html
[18:02:08] 
[18:02:40] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/kernel_interface.cpp: Ported over to the new notification API.
[18:03:00] <AnEvilYak> notification API?
[18:05:28] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/Query.cpp:
[18:05:29] <CIA-6> Moved over to the new live query notification API.
[18:05:29] <CIA-6> Fixed a stupid bug in Query::LiveUpdate() that prevented it to work correctly before:
[18:05:29] <CIA-6> instead of the file name, the attribute value was passed to send_notification().
[18:07:07] <sys2> seems its prism54
[18:07:58] 
[18:08:27] <sys2> ohh well, i guess il keep the laptop linux then :>
[18:09:33] <kr1stof> seems to be the only solution right now.
[18:10:01] <sys2> yeap
[18:10:11] <sys2> but the drivers for prism54 seems to be opensource ...
[18:10:14] <sys2> anyone up for porting? ;>
[18:11:24] 
[18:11:42] <sys2> hehe :>
[18:12:04] 
[18:12:43] <fyysik> '
[18:13:00] * fyysik wonders which sumbol kr1stof do use instead '
[18:13:10] <kr1stof> Ah Sergei - hi
[18:13:38] <fyysik> ik>	i see squares in won t don t etc you're posting here
[18:13:54] <kr1stof> seems to be a german keymap
[18:14:01] <kr1stof> '
[18:14:06] <fyysik> that's ok
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[18:14:36] 
[18:14:44] <fyysik> sure
[18:15:04] <kr1stof> Oh squares? thanks for telling me.
[18:15:16] 
[18:15:46] <fyysik> try again that square symbol
[18:15:55] <kr1stof> It might be also because I use a webchat server via browser
[18:16:01] <fyysik> it is definitely outside of ascii-7 range
[18:16:02] <kr1stof> `
[18:16:10] <fyysik> yup
[18:16:13] <fyysik> that is
[18:16:50] 
[18:18:14] <fyysik> first one look misterious - alnmost like "r" but not fully
[18:18:59] <fyysik> and second has heavy shear conuterclockwise, in comparison with normal '
[18:19:30] <fyysik> are you in Windows atm ?
[18:19:57] 
[18:20:04] <fyysik> ahh, i c
[18:20:27] <kr1stof> At home BeOS of course. :-)
[18:21:38] <fyysik> ik>	i remember those problems in www when people prepared  documents in MS Word - all those tricky << >> instead " " or " with back-shear etc etc
[18:22:08] <fyysik> and then put it in HTML
[18:22:26] <fyysik> as MS Word tends to replace symbols by self according locales etc
[18:23:06] <kr1stof> ah - ok.
[18:25:03] <kr1stof> Because of the daily business my employer has to stick to MS products, at least for communication concerning Office.
[18:26:57] <fyysik> heh, btw, German IT seems more "edicated"
[18:27:16] <fyysik> at heise.de hits from gecko browser overcomed IE
[18:27:44] <kr1stof> Do you read german?
[18:28:01] <fyysik> http://www.heise.de/bilder/55797/0/0
[18:28:07] <fyysik> a bit
[18:28:34] <kr1stof> Firefox is very popular atm here. lots of very positiv press.
[18:29:09] <kr1stof> KDE? Is it the konqueror?
[18:29:50] <fyysik> yeah
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[18:30:40] <kr1stof> Did you have german in school fyysik ?
[18:31:07] <fyysik> exactly. But forgot it totally:)
[18:32:02] 
[18:32:20] <fyysik> in Soviet learning foreign languages was very abstract bussiness for most of people. No use:)
[18:32:54] <kr1stof> because one never expected to get out there ever.
[18:33:08] <fyysik> yeah
[18:33:21] <kr1stof> and no ppl to talk to
[18:34:00] <fyysik> are you Ossi?
[18:34:10] <kr1stof> :-D
[18:34:13] <kr1stof> yes
[18:35:41] <fyysik> IMHO people from eastern Germany may be more sceptical or critical about lot of things, as they saw how propaganda works:)
[18:36:12] 
[18:36:34] <fyysik> both suppositions are wrong:)
[18:37:19] <fyysik> 1) Finish is very unlike other scandinavian languages. Absolutely separate. But yeah, it is close to estonian
[18:37:37] <kr1stof> I know, you are right
[18:37:38] <fyysik> 2)my native tonque is russian, but i'm bilingual
[18:38:38] <kr1stof> There is a finno-ugrish language group (even hungarian belongs to it AFAIK
[18:39:01] <fyysik> yeah, so called "Ural language group"
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[18:40:13] <fyysik> seen turkish-german guy Atilla at BeGeistert, who tries to speak all languages simultaneously:)
[18:40:22] 
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[18:40:52] <kr1stof> Btw. my Grandfather was "Baltendeutscher" born near Riga
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[19:50:19] <sys2> Yamaha opl3sa3 know of any driver for this one then? :>
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[20:24:28] <bencer> hi ppl
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[21:00:13] <d0gmaz> is there somewhere a workaround or patch to create a befs partition on a 200gb drive?
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[21:06:16] <Koki> d0gmaz: Zeta Neo has support for big drives.
[21:06:42] <oco> or write an IDE driver that support LBA 48 !
[21:06:54] <d0gmaz> :)
[21:07:38] <d0gmaz> you got info about neo supports big drives because i can find it
[21:07:49] <d0gmaz> only people saying
[21:09:17] <d0gmaz> but is someone developping such thing because its pretty important i think
[21:09:42] <d0gmaz> cant i create the partition with cfdisk and than boot up the beos installer?
[21:12:37] <oco> for Zeta, it is written here : http://www.yellowtab.com/news/article.php?id=111
[21:12:57] <d0gmaz> hmm
[21:13:18] <oco> but not in the default IDE driver
[21:16:19] <d0gmaz> someboy port it from syllable
[21:16:22] <d0gmaz> :)
[21:18:11] <dr_Evil_> yeah so why don't you do it d0gmaz?
[21:18:14] <d0gmaz> maybe i should buy neo but its too expensive for its content
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[21:29:47] <d0gmaz> dr_evil, if i knew how i would spend my spare to at it
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[21:54:47] <Dr3w> Hey folks.
[21:55:30] <thaflo> hey people
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[22:39:49] <Dr3w> Who does MDR?
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[22:40:36] <Dr3w> I installed it, and my email icon dissapered from my Deskbar, its still there, as it uses up a space, but the icon doesn't show....
[22:40:52] * Dr3w seems to remember that this is a problem with something else...
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[22:47:36] <NathanW> Dr3w: This is a known bug with the current release
[22:47:41] <NathanW> DO you use BONE?
[22:47:56] <NathanW> actually, I know ou do, since that only affects the BONE release
[22:48:32] <Dr3w> hEY
[22:48:34] <Dr3w> thanks.
[22:48:35] <Dr3w> :)
[22:48:44] <NathanW> you're welcome :)
[22:49:09] <Dr3w> Got most things back up and running now.
[22:49:29] <Dr3w> I was suprised that my Logitech cordless keyboard and mouse work, what with them being USB.
[22:49:53] <NathanW> what's wrong with USB things?
[22:49:55] <Dr3w> the wheel doesn't work, and Bryan's USBMouse add-on doesn't help, but other than that, everything is great on this system!
[22:50:01] <Dr3w> Didn't think they worked!
[22:50:05] <NathanW> Use the Haiku hid driver
[22:50:10] <NathanW> It solves the wheel issues
[22:50:12] <Dr3w> back in the day, I didn't have any USB stuff.
[22:50:16] <Dr3w> HID eh?
[22:50:17] <NathanW> Supports horizontal wheels, too
[22:50:18] * Dr3w looks
[22:50:28] <Sg_Henry> mmm
[22:50:56] <Sg_Henry> when the system is power off from beos, the USB keyboard does not work at next boot
[22:51:14] <Sg_Henry> where can the problem be?
[22:51:24] <NathanW> that's weird
[22:51:31] <NathanW> try the same suggestion
[22:51:55] <Sg_Henry> Im waiting for haiku usb stack
[22:52:11] <Sg_Henry> or apm/acpi
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[22:53:28] <Dr3w> Hmmm no mouse for a bit!  Its a recharghable one, and I haven't used it for that long, its flat :)
[22:53:50] <NathanW> hi fyysik
[22:54:03] <fyysik> hi NathanW
[22:54:23] * fyysik dreams about world, free of batteries and power cords
[22:55:36] <lymon> at least wireless monitor
[22:55:43] <Dr3w> Where we bread genetically modified rats to power everything, and we feed them garbage :)
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[22:58:15] <Sg_Henry> what a wonderful world!
[22:58:20] <Sg_Henry> :-D
[22:59:01] <fyysik> thare are already cellphones powered by methanol
[22:59:09] <CIA-6> korli * current/src/data/etc/timezones/ (asia backward europe leapseconds northamerica southamerica): updated timezone files from ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2005c.tar.gz
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[23:00:20] <jonaskirilla> anybody tried booting Haiku recently?
[23:00:25] <jonaskirilla> what's supposed to happen?
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[23:02:48] <jonaskirilla> This is what I get:  after the black Haiku boot screen there's a white screen and no text.. the keyboard appears to be working, but nothing happens when typing.
[23:03:29] <lymon> yeah, axeld fixed the a20 enabling problem
[23:03:58] <jonaskirilla> yes, exciting! thanks for debugging it lymon.
[23:04:01] <lymon> jonaskirilla, do you see Serial Debug Output ?
[23:04:14] <jonaskirilla> lymon: no, do I need to hook up another box?
[23:05:14] <AnEvilYak> yup.
[23:05:23] <lymon> if you have notebook with desktop it will not be a problem to hook, just COM link (compuer-to-computer) cabel needed
[23:05:43] <lymon> do you have cabel ?
[23:06:08] <jonaskirilla> the only OS I've got on my other box is DragonFly.. the command is tricky, I don't even recall its name
[23:06:12] <lymon> s/cabel/cable
[23:06:24] <jonaskirilla> yes, I've got a cable
[23:06:52] <lymon> there must smth like minicom
[23:07:45] <agentmumu> minicom has a wired userinterface
[23:08:10] <jonaskirilla> it'll take a few minutes setting it up
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[23:12:05] <lymon> jonaskirilla, here is my Serial Debug Output (SDO) http://maxim.sokhatsky.com/all
[23:12:55] <jonaskirilla> I've got the cable installed, booting from the BeOS R5 CD, for a little SerialConnect live usage
[23:14:02] <lymon> serial connect must be good
[23:14:41] <jonaskirilla> are the settings listed anywhere?
[23:15:07] <jonaskirilla> the serial config used by Haiku at boot, I mean
[23:15:36] <lymon> defaults 115200 parity none, data 8, stop 1
[23:16:03] <fyysik> 115200 ?
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[23:16:26] <lymon> baud rate 115200, flow control rts/cts
[23:16:53] <lymon> that the settings of your terminal ptrogram hooken on com port to haiku box
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[23:17:47] <jonaskirilla> yes, got the other (alien) box set
[23:17:52] <jonaskirilla> set up that way
[23:17:58] <jonaskirilla> this one will boot Haiku
[23:18:04] <jonaskirilla> so I'll have to reboot
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[23:18:15] <@mahlzeit> it>	i thought it was 19200 bps
[23:18:22] <lymon> no
[23:18:34] <jonaskirilla> BRB
[23:18:41] <lymon> 115200 othervise will be resyncronized
[23:18:44] <@mahlzeit> that must be beos, then, not haiku
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[23:20:38] <lymon> mahlzeit, how you debug beos ?
[23:21:02] <lymon> i mean how you did serial connect to beos
[23:21:15] <lymon> it was DR ?
[23:21:20] <@mahlzeit> dr?
[23:21:29] <lymon> developer release
[23:21:36] <lymon> or in 5.0 Pro
[23:21:37] <fyysik> just enable serial debug in kernel settings file
[23:21:38] <@mahlzeit> no, you can do that with any version of beos
[23:21:49] <@mahlzeit> there is also a keyboard shortcut to start it
[23:22:05] <fyysik> or use dprontf or kprintf in apps and drivers
[23:22:13] <fyysik> or PrintToStream?
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[23:23:35] <jonaskirilla> lymon: after the "found potential driver: " lines, I get one that says lookup "tty"
[23:23:36] <lymon> fyysik, where kernel settings file ? )
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[23:25:14] <jonaskirilla> perhaps the boot-loader bfs finds the drivers, but the real bfs addon isn't there to get the boot any further.. I'll have to look at my build
[23:25:34] <fyysik> home/config/settings/kernel/drivers ?
[23:25:52] <jonaskirilla> onaskirilla>	on the other hand, it does say bfs: mounted "haiku" (root node at...
[23:26:05] <CIA-6> korli * current/src/apps/bin/zic/ (zic.c zdump.c): Updated to tzcode2005c.tar.gz
[23:27:38] <jonaskirilla> libdisk_device_manager.so constantly fails to build here
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[23:29:05] <jonaskirilla> ...skipped <file_system>bfs for lack of libdisk_device_manager.so...
[23:29:43] <jonaskirilla> the build completes though
[23:29:59] <lymon> uhu
[23:30:33] <agentmumu> jonaskirilla: i have the same problem when booting haiku in qemu
[23:30:42] <agentmumu> maybe its a related problem
[23:31:02] <agentmumu> you could place a echo "hello" > /dev/dprintf
[23:31:08] <agentmumu> at the end of BootScript
[23:31:15] <agentmumu> so you can see on serial output
[23:31:29] <agentmumu> if haiku finishes booting
[23:32:40] <jonaskirilla> there's no shell yet?
[23:33:12] <agentmumu> yes, but if you place the echo call in your BootScript you see it on serial out
[23:33:29] <agentmumu> and if you place it on the end you see that haiku booted at least
[23:33:37] <jonaskirilla> I'll try it.
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[23:34:50] <agentmumu> btw, i have put a working image online, so you can verify if its your build or not
[23:34:53] <agentmumu> http://www.schmidp.com/public/misc/haiku.image.zip
[23:35:14] <lymon> 40 MB =)
[23:35:58] <jonaskirilla> I wonder.. is it possible to burn it to CD and boot off that?
[23:36:09] <jonaskirilla> is that asking too much? :))
[23:36:35] <agentmumu> lymon: its about 3.7mb :)
[23:36:38] <agentmumu> zipped
[23:37:05] <lymon> oh, it was blured )
[23:37:18] <dipp> Hmm does Haiku have full 3D-support with nvidia-cards or is it just 2D-accel that is avaible?
[23:37:32] <desidaerius504> I dont think Haiku has any 3d for now
[23:37:34] <agentmumu> jonaskirilla: no cd-booting yet, as i know
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[23:38:06] <dipp> But will the drivers support full 3D-acceleration or only 2D?
[23:38:16] <lymon> i think that if atapi is working the booting is possible
[23:38:17] <desidaerius504> I think only 2d
[23:38:23] <jonaskirilla> agentmumu: if I mount it and copy the contents to another Haiku paritition, it should still work, right?
[23:38:33] <agentmumu> yes
[23:39:39] <jonaskirilla> hmm.. I can't mount it
[23:39:54] <jonaskirilla> bad file descriptor.. weird
[23:41:17] <jonaskirilla> and suddenly it works..
[23:41:22] <agentmumu> hehe
[23:41:27] <desidaerius504> lol
[23:41:37] <agentmumu> i had the same problem on zeta yesterday
[23:41:45] <agentmumu> don't know why
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[23:42:29] <jonaskirilla> the cache bug perhaps .. I've heard of it, but I've never understood its nature
[23:43:03] <CIA-6> korli * current/src/kernel/libroot/posix/time/localtime.c: Updated to tzcode2005c.tar.gz
[23:43:10] <jonaskirilla> time to reboot.. BRB
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[23:44:13] <jonaskirilla> btw.. the basement where they keep Axel locked away, coding.. http://klubitus.org/liitteet/455588.jpg
[23:44:43] <agentmumu> haha
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[23:47:57] <desidaerius504> ive been in some peoples homes that I recollect when I see that pic...
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[23:59:44] <jonaskirilla> agentmumu: your image works a lot better.. I get the shell and everything





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