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[01:10:26] <MikeW> did tycomsystems just bomb out?
[01:11:34] <slaad> Sure, why not?
[01:12:15] <MikeW> wha?
[01:12:54] <MikeW> I was happily connected to tycomsystems, *bang*, now im not and I can't connect. Is that the case for everyone else?
[01:15:01] <fyysik> beshare?
[01:15:25] <fyysik> i'm there atm.
[01:17:33] * mmadia 2
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[01:17:47] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/headers/private/app/MessageUtils.h: Allow that const data can be supplied to TChecksumHelper::Cache().
[01:20:02] <CIA-8> shadow303 * current/src/servers/app/server/ (AccelerantDriver.cpp AccelerantDriver.h): Long overdue fixes for internal API change, now if I could just unbork my system enough to test them...
[01:20:14] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/ (headers/os/app/Message.h src/kits/app/Message.cpp):
[01:20:14] <CIA-8> Moved the functionality to flatten and unflatten a BMessage header into
[01:20:14] <CIA-8> an 29 00:20:14 <CIA-8>	a separate class. This allowed to improve _SendFlattenedMessage() to
[01:20:14] <CIA-8> deal properly with flattened BMessages as well.
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[01:22:26] <lymon> hello
[01:22:31] <fyysik> hello
[01:22:37] * fyysik is confused
[01:23:07] <lymon> why
[01:23:39] <fyysik> how BeOS app can be sensible to all mouse moves when it isn't active and SetEventMask() or SetMouseEventMask() wasn't used
[01:24:45] <lymon> BeOS send messages to app
[01:25:06] <lymon> app can event dont know about mouse
[01:26:39] * fyysik thought that BeOS sends mouse messages to ACTIVE apps, and inactive app must use either GetMouse() or Set*EventMask() to get all messages
[01:26:49] <fyysik> but it isn't the case here
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[01:27:06] <fyysik> probably will ask in BeDevTalk
[01:28:53] <fyysik> lymon - did you manage too boot haiku at your Intel system at last?
[01:29:51] <@Korli> fyysik if you use an input filter you can receive mouse moves
[01:32:07] <lymon> fyysik, no =(
[01:34:06] <jonaskirilla> me i845 / Celeron/P4 system won't boot it either
[01:34:10] <jonaskirilla> s/me/my
[01:34:20] <jonaskirilla> just reboots instantly
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[01:41:09] <fyy__> damn. provider likes to refresh leases from time to time at nights
[01:41:30] <fyy__> lymon - did you manage too boot haiku at your Intel system at last?
[01:41:58] * fyy__ was disconnected in reality for last 7 minutes
[01:42:32] <lymon> fyysik, i'm working on it )
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[01:42:46] <jonaskirilla> fyy__: have you got it booting?
[01:42:52] <jonaskirilla> doesn't work here
[01:43:27] <fyy__> jonaskirilla - i didn't try, but lymon was full of enthousiasm to solve that problem. so asking him
[01:43:47] <jonaskirilla> the floppy used to work, sort of, but I have only tried the makehdimage thing lately
[01:44:04] <jonaskirilla> enthusiasm is good :)
[01:46:02] <lymon> i this that for full rearch of reasons it is good to look at and disassemble the BeFS 1-st stage boot loader (the R% original), maybe answers there
[01:46:35] <lymon> i think for full search of reasons ...
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[01:47:54] <lymon> i really start to bealive that it is unable to boot anywhere )
[01:48:04] <jonaskirilla> lymon: I'm glad there are people like you, who enjoy dissassembling stuff :)
[01:48:23] <jonaskirilla> it's got to boot on Axel's hardware, at least
[01:48:44] <jonaskirilla> but what about the IDE support, was it ISA only?
[01:50:28] <lymon> i know that ocasion =) the Axel is working on ide (it is not bootable), but the isa booting is working (i just can't see it)
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[01:52:14] <lymon> i reported that P2,p3,celerons on xp, 810, 815 and p4 not booting
[01:52:49] <lymon> but axel say that his P3 on SIS and Athlon is ok
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[01:53:42] <@Korli> lymon you musn't be lucky then :)
[01:54:34] <lymon> anywords it is not bootable on most =( everything needs to be revised
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[01:58:06] <slaad> Anyone here read Russian?
[01:58:18] <fyysik> ISP  suxx especially tonight
[01:58:29] <fyysik> two of us, slaad
[01:58:34] <lymon> slaad, I and fyysik native russian speaking
[01:58:56] <slaad> Can one of you do me a favour and give me a quick break down of what a page says?
[01:59:13] <fyysik> shot
[01:59:21] <fyysik> URL
[01:59:22] <lymon> what page ?
[01:59:56] <slaad> http://www.saitek.ru/other/x52inside/
[02:00:02] <slaad> From about 2 / 3s down.
[02:00:13] <slaad> Where it has internal pictures of the joystick. Does it mention anything about deadzones / upgrades ?
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[02:00:56] <fyysik> explains Joystick setup
[02:01:15] <slaad> Setup? As in construction?
[02:03:04] <fyysik> http://www.saitek.ru/other/x52inside/image003.jpg - he mentiones this shot as place in setupe when you can get rid of or minimize deadzones
[02:03:08] <fyysik> sorry
[02:03:17] <fyysik> http://www.saitek.ru/other/x52inside/image005.jpg
[02:03:19] <fyysik> here
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[02:04:06] <slaad> Hrm... anything about hall effect sensors?
[02:04:19] <lymon> yes
[02:04:41] <fyysik> yeah, tells that Hall sensors do provide real quality and this device is best in its class
[02:04:59] <slaad> Hrm, nuts.
[02:05:25] <slaad> Thanks guys
[02:05:42] <fyysik> only issue - no "something" for pedals
[02:05:57] <slaad> "something" ?
[02:06:20] <fyysik> and he discuss deadzones. That this is software effect which someone may like, but others - don't
[02:06:40] * slaad nosd
[02:06:51] <fyysik> slaad - i don't know real meaning for word he uses
[02:07:13] <fyysik> it may be "pendulum" or "pump"
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[02:07:20] * lymon first knows about such devices =)
[02:07:23] <slaad> Ahh, that's okay. Don't think it was of importance. I was hoping it might be a way to position the sensors properly to minimise deadzone as there's a hardware issue.
[02:07:29] <fyysik> but what it means in gamers reality - it is mystery for me
[02:07:38] <slaad> It'd be pump, I think...
[02:08:00] <fyysik> "pump for pedals" ? hmm
[02:08:21] <slaad> Yeah, although, that doesn't have pedals, so I've got no idea, heh.
[02:09:05] <fyysik> maybe he means "connector for pedals" ?
[02:10:24] <fyysik> or "swing" set ?
[02:10:26] <fyysik> heh
[02:10:33] <fyysik> not my area:)
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[02:14:58] <slaad> Yeah, possibly. Anyway, thanks :)
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[03:30:33] <lymon> i booted haiku ...
[03:30:50] <agentmumu> lymon: great!
[03:31:29] <lymon> not far. at leasr i can get just before loader "Welcome string"
[03:31:34] <lymon> least
[03:31:43] <lymon> i failed on vesa_init
[03:32:04] <lymon> but sucsessfully passed mmu problem
[03:32:28] <lymon> the problem was in improperly memory layout constants
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[11:00:01] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi
[11:01:05] <ahwayakchih> anyone here with some knowledge about  get_image_info()?
[11:02:35] <ahwayakchih> ih>	i need to know what are *data and *text fields (are they sections from elf, or segments containing more sections?)
[11:03:00] * Methe doesn't know
[11:03:48] <@geist> probably segments
[11:04:12] <@geist> since for the most part that's the only important thing from a loader point of view
[11:05:03] <ahwayakchih> geist so it should be possible for me to find some section inside them? (i need .eh_frame and .eh_frame_hdr :)
[11:05:26] <@geist> that i dont know
[11:05:46] <ahwayakchih> on darwin they use getsectdatafromheader() function for that, but i can't find anything like that for BeOS
[11:05:52] <ahwayakchih> geist ok THX
[11:10:26] <@mmu_man> text is teh code
[11:10:29] <@mmu_man> data is teh data :p
[11:12:57] <@geist> thanks
[11:13:39] <@mmu_man> ahwayakchih have a look at the output from objdump --all-headers
[11:13:46] <@mmu_man> and listimage/listarea
[11:14:24] <@mmu_man> 826               libroot.so_seg0 ec016000    74000    74000     0     0     0
[11:14:25] <@mmu_man> 827               libroot.so_seg1 ec08a000    34000     b000     4     0     0
[11:14:33] <@mmu_man> LOAD off    0x00000000 vaddr 0x00000000 paddr 0x00000000 align 2**12
[11:14:34] <@mmu_man> filesz 0x000731b4 memsz 0x000731b4 flags r-x
[11:14:35] <@mmu_man> LOAD off    0x000731c0 vaddr 0x000741c0 paddr 0x000741c0 align 2**12
[11:14:35] <@mmu_man> filesz 0x000070e0 memsz 0x000331a0 flags rw-
[11:14:36] <@mmu_man> DYNAMIC off    0x0007a210 vaddr 0x0007b210 paddr 0x0007b210 align 2**2
[11:14:36] <@mmu_man> filesz 0x00000090 memsz 0x00000090 flags rw-
[11:15:19] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man what i need is to get .eh* sections dynamically (ie. after BeOS loader loads shared libraries and executable, and links code and do other stuff)
[11:16:15] <@geist> are yo usure there isn't a symbol that marks the beginning and end of those sections?
[11:17:48] <ahwayakchih> geist well.. if *data and *text from image info structure point to some kind of "glued sections" thing, then probably i can find needed sections
[11:18:04] <ahwayakchih> geist if they point to .text and .data sections, then i'm screwed
[11:18:12] <@mmu_man> the sections have entries in the symbol table:
[11:18:25] <@mmu_man> 00077a88 l    d  .eh_frame      00000000
[11:18:33] <@mmu_man> now, not sure get_image_symbol doesn't skip them
[11:18:45] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man yep
[11:18:46] <Methe> loooooool mdr http://kamazutra.free.fr/iraknews
[11:19:38] <@mmu_man> nice white flash page
[11:20:35] <@mmu_man> <rant>FLASH SUXOR ICED PINGUINS IN AMAZONIA</rant>
[11:39:37] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man geist hmm i didn't try yet but: if i'll be able to get_image_symbol(__EH_FRAME_BEGIN__) which in elf file has the same point as .eh_frame start, will it give me start of section, or only function's? i mean is function's address in some "other notation" or can it be used as pointer to section's data?
[11:40:16] <ahwayakchih> (__EH_FRAME_BEGIN__ is in .eh_frame section, so i wonder if it's loaded by BeOS at all)
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[11:46:00] <@mmu_man> [revol@patrick ~/devel]$ ./dumpsym .eh_frame /system/lib/libbe.so
[11:46:01] <@mmu_man> get_image_symbol: Invalid argument
[11:46:55] <@mmu_man> [revol@patrick ~/devel]$ ./dumpsym __EH_FRAME_BEGIN__ /system/lib/libbe.so
[11:46:56] <@mmu_man> get_image_symbol: Invalid argument
[11:46:58] <@mmu_man> :-(
[11:47:58] <ahwayakchih> :(
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[11:48:16] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man it's with gcc 3.x
[11:48:22] <ahwayakchih> it's=it should be
[11:49:30] <ahwayakchih> hmm
[11:50:14] <ahwayakchih> get_next_image_info doesn't work for linked libraries?!
[11:50:24] <@mmu_man> ?
[11:50:27] <@mmu_man> it does
[11:50:34] <@mmu_man> for all images loaded
[11:50:36] <ahwayakchih> ih>	i just tried scanning image infos, and it didn't output anything
[11:50:38] <ahwayakchih> :(
[11:50:40] <ahwayakchih> hmm
[11:50:56] <@mmu_man> how do you think listimage works ? :p
[11:51:07] <@mmu_man> you need to pass 0 as team (or mayb 1)
[11:51:18] <ahwayakchih> ih>	i passed 0
[11:51:27] <ahwayakchih> i'll try 1
[11:51:44] <ahwayakchih> 10:51:44 <ahwayakchih>	1 didn't help either...
[11:52:51] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man dumpsym __EH_FRAME_BEGIN__ ./lib/libclass.so
[11:52:55] <ahwayakchih> load_add_on: No such file or directory
[11:52:57] <ahwayakchih> :(
[11:53:58] <@mmu_man> try abs path
[11:54:50] <ahwayakchih> ok
[11:55:14] <ahwayakchih> get_image_symbol: Invalid argument
[11:55:17] <ahwayakchih> :(
[11:55:56] <ahwayakchih> maybe load_add_on can't load gcc 3.x generated lib?
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[12:01:29] <@mmu_man> no reason
[12:01:41] <@mmu_man> see syslog
[12:03:27] <ahwayakchih> nothing in /var/log/syslong from today
[12:03:37] <ahwayakchih> syslog
[12:05:50] <@mmu_man> HATE ppl not usign makefiles
[12:06:14] <ahwayakchih> ?;]
[12:07:33] <ahwayakchih> OMG
[12:07:36] <ahwayakchih> i'm sooo stupid
[12:07:46] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man ok i didn't put == B_OK in while ;]
[12:07:59] <@mmu_man> *slap*
[12:08:29] <@mmu_man> *data: -2147474404
[12:08:35] <@mmu_man> better use %lx
[12:08:38] <@mmu_man> or %p
[12:08:41] <ahwayakchih> ok
[12:08:48] <@mmu_man> arf, cout sux
[12:09:02] <@mmu_man> listimage does it anyway
[12:16:03] <ahwayakchih> hmm
[12:16:06] <ahwayakchih> 38: 000542c8     0 OBJECT  LOCAL  DEFAULT   14 __EH_FRAME_BEGIN__
[12:16:25] <ahwayakchih> so it's there but get_image_symbol still returns invalid arg
[12:16:33] <ahwayakchih> :((
[12:16:53] <ahwayakchih> 000542c8 l     O .eh_frame      00000000              __EH_FRAME_BEGIN__
[12:17:07] <ahwayakchih> looks like .eh_frame is not loaded at all to image info
[12:18:39] <ahwayakchih> file generated by 2.x doesn't have that symbol, so i guess error is ok (though ti should be "name not found" not "invalid argument"
[12:18:56] <ahwayakchih> but the one generated with 3.x has it, and i still get the same error
[12:26:17] <@mmu_man> hmm libbe has it
[12:26:22] <@mmu_man> and it's not gcc3 compiled :p
[12:26:35] <@mmu_man> I guess the "ANY_SYMBOL" means any text or data, but nothing else
[12:30:08] <ahwayakchih> yep
[12:31:41] <ahwayakchih> so it seems i can't implement handling of exceptionc across elf files in 3.x :(
[12:32:16] <ahwayakchih> unless there's some other way to read .eh* data
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[12:36:31] <ahwayakchih> for glibc based unwind they use this function: http://www.zevils.com/cgi-bin/man/man2html?dl_iterate_phdr+3
[12:36:42] <ahwayakchih> it gives them list of headers from file
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[12:37:19] <ahwayakchih> unwind darwin uses: fde = getsectdatafromheader (image->mh, "__DATA", "__eh_frame", &sz);
[12:37:59] <ahwayakchih> now ho to get it on BeOS? :)
[12:38:03] <ahwayakchih> ho=how
[12:38:54] <ahwayakchih> exceptions catching inside one file works ok, so BeOS loads needed things i guess
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[12:43:55] <@mmu_man> have a look at the crt stuff in haiku ?
[12:44:36] <ahwayakchih> long time ago, but i'll look again
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[12:48:25] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/open-beos/current/src/kernel/glue/arch/x86/crti.S?rev=1.1&view=markup last time i looked in crtstuff it called ctors and dtors
[12:48:46] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man now it initializes things through crtbegin from gcc
[12:49:14] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man so it may be different than current BeOS
[12:53:38] <@mmu_man> I think exceptions might be handled by the elf loader... which is in the kernel
[12:57:12] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man i've just added simple printf to unwind-dw2-fde.c (used on BeOS) to be sure it's used and i got this:
[12:57:16] <ahwayakchih> libclass::tryit2()::throwing ThrowThis
[12:57:22] <ahwayakchih> _Unwind_Find_FDE
[12:57:24] <ahwayakchih> _Unwind_Find_FDE
[12:57:25] <ahwayakchih> _Unwind_Find_FDE
[12:57:26] <ahwayakchih> _Unwind_Find_FDE
[12:57:28] <ahwayakchih> _Unwind_Find_FDE
[12:57:28] <ahwayakchih> _Unwind_Find_FDE
[12:57:29] <ahwayakchih> _Unwind_Find_FDE
[12:57:34] <ahwayakchih> got unknown throw
[12:57:38] <ahwayakchih> exiting ok :)
[12:57:44] <ahwayakchih> Jan 29 11:57:44 <ahwayakchih>
[12:58:04] <@mmu_man> exceptions should be banned anyway
[12:58:19] <ahwayakchih> so function is used after all, it just looks lik it doesn't find class description, or whatever is needed, to catch proper object
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[12:58:38] <bencer> hi ppl
[12:59:01] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man hehe, well... unles they aren't banned, and some apps use them heavly (like wesnoth) it would be better to fully support them
[12:59:06] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi bencer
[12:59:29] <ahwayakchih> some apps use=some apps stop using
[13:00:14] <bencer> is there an haiku replacement for beos terminal done ?
[13:00:35] <ahwayakchih> bencer i don't know, but i know there are some terminal replacements on bebits already
[13:01:01] <ahwayakchih> (they're a bit old, but may work ;)
[13:01:02] <bencer> ok thanks let's see
[13:01:18] <bencer> terminal with tabs would be very nice :)
[13:02:28] <Procton> doesn't all apps have tabs? ;)
[13:03:04] <bencer> other thing ... i've seen a screenshot of ssh server running on beos, i think mmu_man had it shared on beshare, where can i find the src or bin ?
[13:03:18] <Procton> bug BGA about it.
[13:03:48] <Procton> I ported ssh from www.ssh.com, but never got around to release it... sshd was working, but not fullfeatured.
[13:04:10] <bencer> and openssh ?
[13:04:21] <Procton> that's the version BGA has.
[13:04:24] <bencer> it's free, could be part of haiku ?
[13:04:58] <Procton> It could, but... I'd rather see it part of a distro rather than haiku.
[13:05:22] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man hmm i aded one more printf and it looks like fde object is found... i wonder why i can't catch it properly :(
[13:05:29] <@mmu_man> bencer I have openssh 3.9p1 ported
[13:05:32] <bencer> i agree Procton
[13:05:41] <@mmu_man> see patches on beclan
[13:05:51] <bencer> mmu_man could you share it on beshare or anywhere ? thanks :)
[13:05:53] <bencer> ok
[13:05:54] <@mmu_man> it is
[13:06:09] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man hmm it looks for objects by comparing addresses so maybe on BeOS it gets it wrong way
[13:06:09] <@mmu_man> openssh_3.9p1-BONE7a.zip
[13:06:48] <@mmu_man> it requires bone and has some issues because of R5's buggy pipefs
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[13:08:31] <bencer> i see
[13:08:59] <bencer> now downloading ... thanks again :)
[13:11:07] <bencer> other issue, the ssh client download in haiku dev resurces section in the web only supports 1.x protocol version, should be updated to a client with protocol v2 support, shouldn't ?
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[13:16:03] <@mmu_man> maybe...
[13:16:31] <@mmu_man> bencer you'll also need that: clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/private/haiku-random-fixed.zip
[13:16:36] <@mmu_man> bencer you'll also need that: http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/private/haiku-random-fixed.zip
[13:18:41] <bencer> fine
[13:20:21] <@geist> damn it's late
[13:20:24] <@geist> why am I still up?
[13:22:21] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man geist:
[13:22:21] <ahwayakchih> IMAGE: /boot/home/Desktop/gcc-test/./lib/libgcc_s.so.1
[13:22:26] <ahwayakchih> *data: 3968591344
[13:22:32] <ahwayakchih> data-size: 1732
[13:22:45] <ahwayakchih> and later Unwind_Find_FDE finds this:
[13:22:54] <ahwayakchih> new object 3968593072
[13:23:05] <@mmu_man> arg
[13:23:08] <@mmu_man> use HEX
[13:23:18] * mmu_man can't read decimals that big
[13:23:21] <Dr_Evil> damn its late, why didn't i get up earlier?
[13:23:24] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man HEX is harder to read for me :)
[13:23:37] <Dr_Evil> ahwayakchih but only for you
[13:23:41] <[Beta]> ahwayakchih: thats 4 bytes too small ?
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[13:24:15] <ahwayakchih> Dr_Evil ;[
[13:24:35] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] well right, it looks like it finds object 4 bytes before enf od data section
[13:24:42] <ahwayakchih> enf=end
[13:24:47] <ahwayakchih> od=of
[13:25:25] <ahwayakchih> but:
[13:25:27] <ahwayakchih> IMAGE: /boot/home/Desktop/gcc-test/./lib/libclass.so
[13:25:32] <ahwayakchih> *data: 3993475808
[13:25:37] <ahwayakchih> data-size: 68928
[13:25:45] <ahwayakchih> and :
[13:25:50] <ahwayakchih> new object 3993525112
[13:26:01] <ahwayakchih> which is far away from data section
[13:26:02] <ahwayakchih> :(
[13:26:18] <@Korli> mmu_man what's the random driver fix ?
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[13:26:24] <ahwayakchih> so does it mean that it reads objects wrongly from shared library?
[13:26:36] <[Beta]> does that matter thou ahway? I mean, what other symbols are in the libs
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[13:27:41] <bencer> re
[13:29:05] <[Beta]> whats a good size for a code bounty, anyone think? (please, dont say $1mil :p)
[13:29:11] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] i'm not sure if it's matter but: catching exception thrown from the same file is ok, but catching exceptions thrown from other file (like shared library) doesn't work - they can only be catched in catch(...)
[13:29:30] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man Dr_Evil geist hex values for You :)
[13:29:36] <ahwayakchih> IMAGE: /boot/home/Desktop/gcc-test/./lib/libgcc_s.so.1
[13:29:40] <ahwayakchih> *data: ec8be5f0
[13:29:42] <[Beta]> ahwayakchih: isnt that a good thing? I mean, libraries need to deal with their own exceptions.
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[13:29:46] <ahwayakchih> data-size: 6c4
[13:29:53] <[Beta]> or you want debugging or something ?
[13:29:54] <ahwayakchih> new object ec8becb0
[13:30:02] <ahwayakchih> IMAGE: /boot/home/Desktop/gcc-test/./lib/libclass.so
[13:30:06] <ahwayakchih> *data: ee079ae0
[13:30:08] <Undrew> anyone familiar with bfs?
[13:30:10] <ahwayakchih> data-size: 10d40
[13:30:15] <@geist> awesome
[13:30:17] <ahwayakchih> new object ec8becb0
[13:30:17] <@geist> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97769
[13:30:24] <@geist> this guy has some problems
[13:30:30] <@geist> it gets better towards the end too
[13:30:31] <CIA-8> korli * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/emuxki/ (emuxki.c emuxkireg.h): added untested support for Audigy 2 Value
[13:31:10] <ahwayakchih> Beta no, for example: library exports some function which may throw exception. application uses that function, and wants to catch exception
[13:31:42] <[Beta]> oh, so applications arent catch()ing ?
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[13:32:16] <ahwayakchih> Beta well.. it can catch exception but oonly "unknown" thing, or integer. but it doesn't catch class
[13:32:25] <bencer> mmu_man: what's the etc/Ssh.bin file ?
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[13:32:52] <ahwayakchih> Beta so throw (someclass()); will not be catched in catch(someclass &c);
[13:33:32] <ahwayakchih> only in catch(...)
[13:33:40] <ahwayakchih> (which is not so useful)
[13:34:14] <[Beta]> so the thrown object doesnt have a type defined ?
[13:34:28] <[Beta]> could that be a rtti thing? I dont know enough 'bout it really.
[13:36:43] <CIA-8> korli * current/src/apps/expander/ExpanderRules.cpp: Removed -v flag for tar expanding as noticed by Fredrik Ekdahl
[13:37:55] <@mmu_man> bencer dunno
[13:38:01] <@mmu_man> ask google
[13:38:07] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man i'm DCC'ing zipped test, it contains binaries so You can check it
[13:38:34] <bencer> mmu_man: doesn't work i intsall the fixed random and do ssh-keygen and says PRNG is not seeded
[13:38:53] <@mmu_man> make sure you have the latest openssl as well
[13:38:56] <ahwayakchih> Beta i don't know. it must be something with shared objects, because catching thrown class within the same file works ok
[13:39:02] <@mmu_man> and rescan random
[13:39:26] <bencer> ok
[13:40:00] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] (so if function throwing class object is located in application, where is catch object located also, it will work)
[13:40:14] <[Beta]> right, I get you
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[13:42:25] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] i saw that some platforms use own implementation of _Unwind_Find_FDE (linux used glibc based one, darwin has something based on "live_images", there is also code to use libunwind), so i thought that may be a reason it doesn't work on BeOS (there was no BeOS code - even more: shared libgcc wasn't build at all)
[13:44:22] <@mmu_man> well gcc3 isn't supported anyway :D
[13:45:23] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man ? it works :) it's only BeOS libraries which can't be used (except parts of C code)
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[13:50:10] <[Beta]> ahwayakchih: how is it with *our* new libaries, exceptions dont work either ?
[13:50:45] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] "our"?
[13:51:16] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] if You build with gcc 2x exceptions are catched properly
[13:51:34] <[Beta]> oic
[13:51:41] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] but AFAIK BeAPI doesn't use exceptions at all
[13:51:57] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] still if You build lib and app  with 2.x it will work ok
[13:52:35] <[Beta]> well, with the BeAPI, you dont need exceptions tbh. B_WHATEVER is good enough, no ?
[13:52:38] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] of course catching 2x thrown object in 3x code will not work for sure :)
[13:53:21] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] well.. i don't need exceptions any way, i don't like them - IMHO they're just another type of goto mess
[13:53:22] <ahwayakchih> :)
[13:53:33] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] but some ported apps use them
[13:53:42] <[Beta]> I think they're a very good idea in Java..
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[13:54:27] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] for example if i could find a way to make them work in 3x properly, i could make Wesnoth package smaller by about 4-5MB :)
[13:54:32] <[Beta]> ahwayakchih: we'll have to convince peeps to make 'em native :)
[13:54:46] <[Beta]> 5mb really? wow.
[13:55:44] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] yeah, because right now (well.. and on other platforms too) each of it's binaries is build with everything in. so wesnoth has all object files, wesnoth_editor has own object files + wesnoth's object fiels, etc...
[13:57:07] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] if exceptions worked properly across files, i could make wesnoth_editor be linked to wesnoth, so it would be ~450 KB instead of 3.77MB
[13:57:54] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] similar for wesnoth_server and wesnoth_campaign_server, plus 2 other tools (though those 4 are less than 1MB already, they could be even smaller:)
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[14:03:25] <Dr_Evil> geist this guy has real problems: ------- Additional Comment #10 From Terry James 2005-01-26 21:44 -------
[14:03:58] <Dr_Evil> while the original bugreport somehow made sense, his additional comments are very bad
[14:04:26] <[Beta]> talking to himself, yeah..
[14:06:02] <[Beta]> http://haiku-os.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=315
[14:06:27] <CIA-8> korli * current/headers/posix/stdio.h:
[14:06:27] <CIA-8> added setbuf, setvbuf, setbuffer and setlinebuf prototypes
[14:06:27] <CIA-8> implemented by libio
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[14:08:33] <Dr_Evil> [Beta] wow, that guy must have a lot of money to spend!
[14:09:23] <[Beta]> heh
[14:09:38] <[Beta]> oh, I forgot the clause.. no money to yT :p
[14:09:45] <[Beta]> I jest
[14:10:08] <Dr_Evil> is that your post?
[14:10:35] * [Beta] compares nicks
[14:10:37] <[Beta]> I think so
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[14:14:58] <Dr_Evil> how many thousand $ are you going to invest?
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[14:16:20] <[Beta]> hah, it'll be small, Dr_Evil
[14:16:32] <[Beta]> similiar to the current ones available
[14:18:40] <Dr_Evil> but that won't be enough to pay a developer then
[14:18:55] <[Beta]> it's incentive for the hobby coders that work now..
[14:20:07] <[Beta]> plus, maybe Haiku Inc. will consider a bounty aswell? they're getting donations now.
[14:23:28] <fyysik> hmm. I'm wondering about bounties and Dr_Evils fast ethernet drivers. Form one side he asks money for those, from other - i saw something about those in haiku tree - what is real license there?
[14:23:30] <mmu_man> [Beta] a side effect of yT paying me is I can work on haiku also...
[14:23:41] <[Beta]> mmu_man: I know :)
[14:23:47] <@mmu_man> not as much as I 'd like to cause of schedule
[14:24:10] <@mmu_man> bahhh there is an ugly double free somewhere in IM::Manager :-(
[14:24:15] <@mmu_man> no wonder im_saver crashes
[14:24:20] <[Beta]> but, honestly, i'd prefer to put some money onto some random person doing a bluetooth stack, than buying a copy of Zeta just for me.
[14:24:22] <@Korli> hey fyysik
[14:24:27] <[Beta]> unless yT promise they'll make one
[14:24:31] <fyysik> hi Korli
[14:24:42] <@Korli> do you have some final diff for emuxki ?
[14:24:58] <@mmu_man> hmm, no free/delete in the code, odd
[14:25:12] <[Beta]> fyysik: I always wondered if we paid him enough he'd change the license...
[14:25:14] <fyysik> Korli - at least i have stable version, which differs a bit from last emuxki.c i sent you
[14:25:18] <[Beta]> doubt it though, he's Evil.
[14:25:36] <@Korli> fyysik please send a diff then
[14:26:00] <[Beta]> I really dont understand the dog icon for Tracker. its soo not Be-like.
[14:26:05] <Dr_Evil> [Beta] zeta does not have a bluetooth stack
[14:26:06] <fyysik> ok, minute
[14:26:19] <[Beta]> Dr_Evil: I know.
[14:26:26] <[Beta]> hence argument.
[14:26:33] <[Beta]> unless you didnt mean to say "not"
[14:26:54] <Dr_Evil> I meant: [Beta] zeta does not have a bluetooth stack
[14:27:06] <[Beta]> I knew that already.
[14:27:59] <ahwayakchih> cya
[14:28:01] <ahwayakchih> everyone
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[14:34:46] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - btw, i have feeling that mixer 0.4 takes more CPU than 0.2. Is it possible?
[14:36:21] <@Korli> fyysik with version did you diff against ?
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[14:37:57] <fyysik> hm,  Korli - how can i say that? I think i got it from haiku somewhere in December. So diff is made agains December version.
[14:38:29] <fyysik> but as there were problems with CVS, i got it from Jack Burton who has local copy
[14:39:46] <fyysik> Korli - i can send you that version
[14:40:20] <@Korli> fyysik i was confused because you reversed the diff
[14:40:20] <fyysik> ahh
[14:40:55] <@Korli> "set_dprintf_enabled(true);" is it useful ,
[14:40:55] <fyysik> also there are set_dprintf_enabled() which you don't need and maybe some outcommented lock()s
[14:40:56] <@Korli> ?
[14:41:01] <fyysik> no
[14:41:03] <@Korli> ok
[14:41:09] <fyysik> it is for debug only
[14:41:29] <fyysik> also as set_dprintf_enabled(false);
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[14:47:15] <@Korli> is it useful to move HCFG config ?
[14:48:31] <fyysik> Korli - dunno, but it was place where code usually crashed at
[14:49:53] <fyysik> i'm not so competent as you, but after experiments i found that with this placement it is reliable for my sad case
[14:50:12] <@Korli> even if you just move interrupt code ?
[14:50:25] <fyysik> yup
[14:50:48] <@Korli> the problem with this move is audigy2 code is moved as well
[14:50:59] <fyysik> ik>	i can try to put it back, but it will need whole week for real testing
[14:51:22] <fyysik> as it may not crash day or two, but then suddenly start to crash again
[14:51:51] <fyysik> do you have Audigy2 card atm ?
[14:51:55] <@Korli> no
[14:52:07] <fyysik> ant creative card at all?
[14:52:10] <@Korli> no
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[14:52:13] <fyysik> s/any/ant
[14:52:33] <fyysik> oh, but how you wrote such complicate piece of code?
[14:52:42] <@Korli> i>	i had such cards
[14:53:36] <fyysik> do you dislike that EMU_A_IOCFG_GPOUT0  remains at old place while EMU_HCFG is moved to new?
[14:54:49] <fyysik> ik>	i can try to place  HCFG  back
[14:54:59] <@Korli> there is Audigy2 code in emuxki_init so moving from before to after this function call is risky (and i can't test this)
[14:55:22] <@Korli> anyway i'm committing part of your diff
[14:55:54] <@Korli> i'm sending you the new file, this way you can tell me if it's better
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[14:58:21] <CIA-8> korli * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/emuxki/emuxki.c: Patch from Sergei "fyysik" Dolgov, adds stability hopefully
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[15:00:20] <fyysik> [Beta] - did you see that bounty case?:) You can send to Korli set of Creative Labs cards, to allow him to support driver he wrote before:)
[15:00:46] <[Beta]> i've got a `SB Live 1024 Player` that i'd happily give up :)
[15:01:07] <[Beta]> it is live atm, but I could rip it out.. :p
[15:01:27] <fyysik> pun-pun
[15:01:40] <@Korli> fyysik i didn't explain : i still have these cards but with only a laptop i can't use them
[15:01:54] <fyysik> ahhh!
[15:01:58] <[Beta]> oh, you want a PC too ?
[15:02:08] <fyysik> so situation is bit invereted
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[15:03:00] <fyysik> me wonders if there are USBtoPCI or PCMCIAtoPCI adapters, to use PCI cards with laptops:
[15:03:09] <@Korli> i'm thinking to change this situation
[15:03:31] <[Beta]> Korli: want one of the new creative labs pcmcia sound cards?
[15:04:34] * fyysik has 5.1 audio inside laptops, but gready IBM had intentionally cat all those "extra" features in this model - no rear output, no PS/2 output, no COM-port output - nothing
[15:04:42] <fyysik> that's branding
[15:05:04] <fyysik> s/cat/cut off/
[15:05:20] <fyysik> no IR even
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[15:07:06] <mwilber> fyysik: Do you know where I can find instructions on how to get the Sept.10 FireFox-netserver build working?
[15:08:24] <CIA-8> phoudoin * current/src/tests/add-ons/print/transports/main.cpp:
[15:08:24] <CIA-8> Added feature: allow to send data from a file (think "Print To File" output) thru
[15:08:24] <CIA-8> the loaded print transport add-on.
[15:10:00] <fyysik> mwilber - ghm, better as mmadia or LoLL to build new one for netserver. Last builds are OK with starting, but i don't know if there is netserver version built already
[15:10:18] <fyysik> maybe on LoLL/Jeannot french site
[15:11:35] <mwilber> fyysik: Ok, I'll try that.
[15:11:54] <fyysik> Korli - were changes made also in *reg.h file???
[15:12:09] <@Korli> yeah added a reg for audigy2 value
[15:12:56] <mwilber> fyysik: Can you provide a URL, I can't seem to find this site?
[15:13:09] <fyysik> mwilber - i will try
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[15:14:28] <fyysik> http://ljr.free.fr/ - mwilber
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[15:14:50] <mwilber> Thanks!
[15:15:00] <fyysik> ahh, it seems he made only BONE versions
[15:15:18] <mwilber> Bummer. I guess I'll have to go with regular Mozilla then...
[15:15:36] <fyysik> mwilber - use 1.7a netserver
[15:15:47] <fyysik> it is fastest browser among others
[15:15:56] <@Korli> http://jerome.duval.free.fr/obos/haiku-emuxki-cvs-20050129.zip
[15:16:08] <fyysik> faster than any firefox for BeOS made until now
[15:17:00] <fyysik> mwilber - untill we get all patches into cvs, those version of Mozilla will be more featured and fast than FF:)
[15:17:04] <fyysik> or :(
[15:17:18] <mwilber> Can I get 1.7a netserver from the BeBits page?
[15:17:52] <fyysik> http://bebits.com/bob/18219/mozilla-i586-pc-beos-netserver-O3-bthreads-20050110-22.tar.gz mwilber
[15:18:54] <fyysik> it has some focus issues, but not so critical (probably due Japanese Inline Input patchincluded)
[15:19:22] <mwilber> Thanks! I just downloaded and installed it. It appears to be working.
[15:19:35] <fyysik> at least AGMS is very satisfied with that version
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[15:20:00] <mwilber> I had an older working FireFox build, but I lost that and was getting by with NetPositive. But, I just can't make due without tabbed browsing.
[15:20:35] <bs0> tic thanks for blaming me...
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[15:20:42] <fyysik> mwilber - look if tabbed browsing is set by default in Mozilla.
[15:21:29] <fyysik> ik>	i got once funny situation when very experienced user and programmer jonaskirill told me that he prefers FireFox because Mozilla lacks tabbed browsing
[15:21:41] <fyysik> while it was there long ago before any Firefox :)
[15:21:57] <mwilber> Hehehhe :)
[15:22:21] <mwilber> Yep, it is there: ALT-T creates a new tab.
[15:22:58] <fyysik> mwilber - try middle-click and Ctrl-Click on links
[15:23:10] <fyysik> if it isn't opening link in new tab - set it
[15:23:18] <mwilber> Hmm.. Middle click opens a new window by default
[15:23:30] <fyysik> mwilber - yeah, it is in preferences
[15:23:33] <fyysik> to change that
[15:23:55] <fyysik> wondering why Mozilla people didn't put it by default
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[15:25:01] <mwilber> Yeah, it really seems strange. Everyone I know that knows of tabbed browsing prefers it much better than opening a billion windows everywhere.
[15:25:20] <fyysik> don't tell it to true MS users
[15:25:34] <fyysik> they hate it and need your belowed windows back
[15:25:54] <fyysik> s//their belowed windows/
[15:26:02] * fyysik is hungry
[15:26:03] <mwilber> I don't associate often with true MS users :)
[15:26:15] <fyysik> and stupid at the moment
[15:26:26] * fyysik needs some food - so away
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[15:52:02] <TLF> anyone wants a gmail account?
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[15:53:15] <[Beta]> nah, got too many invites myself
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[16:03:18] <CIA-8> phoudoin * current/src/add-ons/print/transports/hp_jetdirect/ (HPJetDirectTransport.cpp Jamfile): NETWORK_LIBS awareness: now link automaticly against right network target's libraries.
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[16:06:45] <CIA-8> phoudoin * current/Jamrules: Added lib[b]netapi.so to NETWORK_LIBS.
[16:13:51] <@mmu_man> plop
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[16:14:40] <DaaT> bork mmu_man
[16:15:17] * mmu_man has a nice new screensaver
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[16:25:13] <CIA-8> phoudoin * current/src/kernel/libroot/posix/sys/uname.c: Added more fields length safety.
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[16:34:36] <@mmu_man> http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/im_saver_02.zip
[16:34:38] <fyysik> mmu_man - is bash UTF-8 problem fixed already in Zeta or Haiku?
[16:35:08] <@mmu_man> the edit-in-readline-shifts-chars-around one ? not yet
[16:35:44] <fyysik> :(
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[16:36:48] <@mmu_man> it's on my todo
[16:39:09] <tic> wow, that bs0 kid has really gone nuts.
[16:39:25] <DaaT> mmu_man, that's andrea's screensaver right? cool
[16:40:03] <@mmu_man> yep
[16:40:12] <@mmu_man> I added a redirection feature
[16:40:15] <fyysik> nuts ? kid? what happened?
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[16:40:21] <@mmu_man> so you can use your prefered saver
[16:40:34] <tic> fyysik, www.zeta-looks.org basically.
[16:40:39] <DaaT> ah cool
[16:41:19] <fyysik> heh, BeDoper is dead
[16:41:27] <fyysik> Zeta needs something
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[16:42:16] * tqh pops in
[16:42:26] <tic> tja tqh
[16:42:44] <@mmu_man> fyysik rigtho...
[16:42:56] <tqh> tja
[16:43:01] <@mmu_man> but bedoper did with style
[16:43:10] <DaaT> true
[16:44:14] <tic> zeta-looks.org is just nasty.
[16:44:19] <tic> http://mikael.jansson.be/post/2005/01/20/fucking-pre-teen-w4r3z-d00dz
[16:44:24] <tic> ^^^ my take on it, including the comments...
[16:44:38] <fyysik> hi tqh!
[16:45:11] <tqh> hi, I'm going to review your patch now, I've been away this week
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[16:47:09] <fyysik> tic - are you sure that that is work by bs0? There are lot of polish users, and there are even wars there - Zeta-fans against Haiku-fans against pure-classic BeOs fans
[16:47:49] <tic> fyysik, it said "0dna" everywhere on that site. and while "babajaga" wrote the code, bs0dna (phillip) has done most of the content.
[16:48:11] <tic> he's often on irc using the nick bs0 nowadays, used to be bs0dna
[16:49:51] <fyysik> ahh
[16:49:58] <fyysik> ik>	i c
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[16:53:09] <fyysik> lymon - did you share your experience with people here already? about that mmu problem? Or waiting for axeld?
[16:54:06] <@mmu_man> talking about me ? :D
[16:54:11] <fyysik> heh
[16:54:16] <lymon> i wrote a letter to axeld and wait him for discussion
[16:54:31] <fyysik> are you using nick mmu_init sometimes, mmu_man ?
[16:54:32] <lymon> mmu_man, haiku needs new memory layout in bootloader
[16:55:15] * mmu_man needs a new brain layout, to many bottlenecks
[16:55:42] <@mmu_man> if only I could activate DMA for transfers between hemispheres
[16:55:46] <fyysik> refactor it, mmu_man. www.refactorit.com
[16:55:51] <fyysik> free for personal use
[16:55:59] <@mmu_man> :)
[16:56:31] <fyysik> all is possible
[16:57:04] <fyysik> it appears, for example, that blind people use visual zones in brain for listening
[16:57:12] <tqh> fyysik patch reviewed. Nice that you added commenting.
[16:57:25] <fyysik> commenting?
[16:57:31] <fyysik> ahh
[16:57:47] <fyysik> do you mean long explanation of patch?
[16:57:58] <@mmu_man> fyysik yep, on /. they talked about tongue-based video input:)
[16:58:02] * mmu_man wants a tongue-tty
[16:58:07] <tic> ttty? :)
[16:58:20] <@mmu_man> terminal
[16:59:15] <tic> yeah, but wouldn't that be a ttty?
[16:59:19] <tic> (note the extra t)
[16:59:58] <@mmu_man> yeh
[17:00:07] <tic> what are you working on, mmu_man?
[17:00:22] <@mmu_man> [1/29 16:55] (255) MYOB: apparently the BeOS abiword port code is being chucked tonight, according to their mailing list
[17:00:26] <@mmu_man> tic a lot
[17:00:35] <tic> mmu_man, for example?
[17:00:50] <tic> heh, you don't use Zeta? :)
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[17:01:01] <fyysik> wasn't it cleaned out from CVS 2 years ago, mmu_man ?
[17:01:27] <@mmu_man> dunno
[17:04:07] <Konrad> Daniel furrer and some guy from Japan worked on it for a while, maybe it was in the early 2004..
[17:04:41] <Konrad> Sad noone took the chance to bring a good text/word-processing app to BeOS
[17:04:47] <@Korli> fyysik did you test the patch i sent you ? or the driver binary on my website ?
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[17:05:50] <fyysik> tried it under windows some time ago. That AbiWord. Idiots. They use for russian KOI-8 encoding for UI and files, while there is Win-1251 everywhere. So you see "crypted"  UI instead normal. And now way to change that besides compile it by self
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[17:06:25] <fyysik> Korli - i downloaded it, but i cannot reboot machine. For about next hour too
[17:06:55] <fyysik> hope building process finishes in next hour
[17:07:17] <@Korli> ok
[17:07:19] <fyysik> 4.5 hours for Mozilla
[17:07:54] <Konrad> fyysik ever tried to build Thunderbird lateley?
[17:09:05] <tic> ever... lately. Which one? :P
[17:09:10] <@mmu_man> hmm odd the PopUpMenu in deskbar addon is run with async=true
[17:09:14] <@mmu_man> btu it still locks up deskbar
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[17:09:39] <tic> hey phoudoin
[17:09:41] <tic> phoudoin, 'sup?
[17:09:59] <Konrad> tic I guess I meant lateley then.
[17:10:08] <DaaT> hi phoudoin
[17:10:25] <tic> Konrad, yeah, I know.  It's easy to make mistakes :)  You should see the English I write at work, yuck.
[17:10:31] <phoudoin> hi guys
[17:10:48] <tic> phoudoin, left networking completely?
[17:11:04] <phoudoin> well, I try to catch up with Haiku project recent changes...
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[17:11:23] <@Korli> hi phoudoin
[17:11:30] <phoudoin> I left most of my pet projects lately, unfortunatly.
[17:11:34] <@mmu_man> plop phoudoin
[17:11:40] <phoudoin> Haiku included.
[17:11:55] <@Korli> phoudoin there is a versioning system change planned too
[17:12:22] <tic> phoudoin, planning on getting back?
[17:12:30] <phoudoin> Today is a good day, as I've found some time to work on some of the pending issue, starting with a bug report about my HP JetDirect print transport addon.
[17:12:41] <tic> whee
[17:12:56] <@mmu_man> phoudoin we'll have to enable threading in MESA someday :p
[17:13:15] <phoudoin> Korli: well, I'm already used to svn, so I should not be hit that much by such change.
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[17:13:55] <phoudoin> mmu_man: it's already there, but unfortunatly MESA thread handling is done with "one context per thread" in mind.
[17:14:29] <phoudoin> Not "multithread context sharing" in mind.
[17:14:41] <@mmu_man> I see
[17:14:44] <phoudoin> And that's the issue I need to fix in Mesa BeOS port, indeed.
[17:15:30] <phoudoin> Lately, I dive into DRI drivers code to help Rudolf understand how Mesa / DRI driver interface works.
[17:16:25] <phoudoin> Highly complex interface. But that's the cost of hardware acceleration...
[17:16:28] <@mmu_man> brb
[17:16:35] <tic> that'd be great, I'm on an NV36 chipset here :)
[17:17:08] <phoudoin> tic: Sure, gettting back is still there, and in fact I today looks at the duplicated uname() exported by both our libroot.so and libnet.so.
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[17:17:36] <tic> phoudoin, great! so it's basically lack of time?
[17:17:53] <phoudoin> And I've a skeleton usb_printer driver to commit too. Need write a Jamfile before and run more tests.
[17:18:18] <phoudoin> Oh yeah, lack of time, one and only reason I'm away from Haiku/BeOS these days.
[17:18:43] <tic> good.  or bad. ;) but at least you're not away from it because of lack of motivation.
[17:18:48] <tic> that's harder to fix.
[17:27:34] * fyysik goes to try emuxki binary - build stopped on bug anyway
[17:28:43] <fyysik> cold reboot for test
[17:28:49] <fyysik> bbl
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[17:33:50] <DaaT> hi AtomoZero
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[17:39:03] <fyysik> KDL, Korli
[17:39:34] <fyysik> "switch  *something* after sysinit"
[17:41:57] <fyysik> so it was essential to have at least part of that HCFG at place where i put it
[17:42:31] <@mmu_man> fyysik other cpus ?
[17:43:26] <fyysik> Korli - this HCFG goes after emuxki_init in case of SB Live too. And works ok. Why do you think it will be bad for Audigy2?
[17:43:33] <fyysik> mmu_man ?
[17:43:59] <@Korli> fyysik could try next week
[17:44:12] <@mmu_man> hmm oh no it's init_other_cpu_after_stack_switch
[17:44:33] <@mmu_man> sysinit1_after_stack_switch ?
[17:44:51] <fyysik> mmu_man - don't care. That crash may produce any report in any place and thread. Depends on timing coincidence
[17:45:01] <fyysik> mmu_man - yeah, like that second
[17:45:30] <phoudoin> bye guys, should give bath to my son.
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[17:46:38] <fyysik> mmu_man - according my guesses it happens if first instance of driver is still alive, and second is initialising. So if some interrupt-provocing event happens - you are doomed.  I fixed it for myself here, but Korli doubts if it may be bad for Audigy 2
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[17:47:00] <@mmu_man> eh
[17:48:08] <@Korli> fyysik we can hope it works ok with this move
[17:48:19] <fyysik> putting my driver back. Vesa mode suxx:)
[17:49:26] <fyysik> Korli - as i understand you forgot your code a bit, but maybe you can make guess on another issue?
[17:49:51] <fyysik> rear-speakers are clicking silently with regular interval.
[17:50:00] <fyysik> like 2 or 1.5 Hz
[17:50:24] <fyysik> no problem when playing something
[17:50:38] <fyysik> but audible when idle
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[17:55:43] <@Korli> fyysik can' tell
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[17:56:44] <fyysik> ok
[17:56:47] <fyysik> reboot
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[17:59:58] <fyysik> now OK
[18:00:08] <Korli2> ll
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[18:11:54] <fyysik> heh, that clicking wasn't driver issue. Neither card issue:)
[18:12:56] <fyysik> too long cab;e connecting computer and rear amplifier
[18:13:02] <Korli2> hmm
[18:13:07] <fyysik> so gets some interference
[18:13:22] <Korli2> can i give you another driver binary ?
[18:13:28] <fyysik> sure
[18:15:23] <alphakiller> has anyone worked with VESA ?
[18:15:58] <alphakiller> I'm playing with it in the protected mode, in my own OS ..
[18:16:03] <alphakiller> but I'm having some problems ..
[18:16:03] <alphakiller> hehe
[18:16:09] <alphakiller> I'm using a realmode portal
[18:16:14] <alphakiller> to do the rm calls
[18:16:31] * fyysik hope the OS is written in assembler:)
[18:16:42] <alphakiller> oh ..
[18:16:52] <alphakiller> part of it
[18:17:11] <fyysik> or vice versa, in Visual Basic
[18:17:11] <alphakiller> fyysik: have you played with Vesa ?
[18:17:39] <fyysik> no, that's why i'm joking. to hide my incompetence
[18:17:41] <tic> fyysik, equally bad for writing an OS? :)
[18:18:01] <fyysik> tic - heh, how did you know?:)
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[18:18:04] <alphakiller> oh, jeez .. I just realized that I'm talking on Haiku
[18:18:05] <alphakiller> hehehe
[18:18:09] <alphakiller> not on #osdev
[18:18:17] <Methe> :)
[18:18:43] <sys2> haha :>
[18:18:56] <DaaT> well, here ppl are developing an os
[18:18:56] <DaaT> :)
[18:19:08] <fyysik> unfortunately IRC dislikes haiku.
[18:19:11] <fyysik> poetry
[18:19:11] <alphakiller> once upon a time, I contributed on Blue Eyed OS
[18:19:26] <alphakiller> in a BMessage class
[18:19:32] <alphakiller> *the
[18:19:33] <fyysik> try to put those 3 lines here, and you 'll be kicked out for the flood
[18:20:00] <alphakiller> ?
[18:20:24] <fyysik> 3 lines of haiku
[18:20:43] <alphakiller> have you heard about Blue Eyed OS ?
[18:21:06] <fyysik> lead by Gillaume?
[18:21:09] <alphakiller> well, I think the project died
[18:21:25] <alphakiller> yes
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[18:21:29] <alphakiller> He was a nice guy ...
[18:21:42] <alphakiller> but the project's directives sux ...
[18:21:57] <fyysik> it was doomed, IMHO - who needs yet another Linux WM, inspite how you call it
[18:22:16] <alphakiller> well, it implemented BeOS API on top of it ..
[18:22:17] <alphakiller> really
[18:22:31] <alphakiller> I coded the BMessage
[18:22:36] <fyysik> who needs BeOS API...outside BeOS
[18:22:48] <alphakiller> but the project sucked on the fact of being based on linux
[18:22:54] <alphakiller> I proposed my OS :)
[18:22:55] <alphakiller> hehehe
[18:22:56] <Methe> btw I wondered recently. Is still AtheOS developed ?
[18:22:56] <fyysik> C-fans will use GTK anyway, and C++ - Qt/KDE
[18:23:07] <alphakiller> Methe: Syllable OS
[18:23:10] <Sg_Henry> yes
[18:23:20] <Sg_Henry> Syllable still under development
[18:23:20] <Methe> ok. was just wondering
[18:23:37] <Sg_Henry> but It is really an AtheOS fork
[18:23:37] <alphakiller> mine is The Damn Small OS :)
[18:23:48] <Sg_Henry> AtheOS itself was abandoned
[18:23:53] <alphakiller> an 29 17:23:53 <alphakiller>	a C/Asm OS, with an api based on Java
[18:23:54] <Methe> oh
[18:23:55] <Methe> ok
[18:24:02] <Sg_Henry> (its developer bought an airplane and sold the PC)
[18:24:11] <fyysik> heh - lymon who visits this channel sometimes, is also writing his own OS
[18:24:12] <Methe> Sg_Henry: ahah :DD
[18:24:16] <fyysik> with name MeOS
[18:24:26] <fyysik> based on NewOS
[18:24:47] <Methe> if peeps go on like that, everybody gonna have his personal OS
[18:24:56] <Sg_Henry> :D
[18:24:59] <Methe> bless network protocols for being universal
[18:25:02] <Sg_Henry> Sg_HenryOS
[18:25:03] * fyysik think himself being freak and antisocial here - as he don't write his won OS
[18:25:16] <Methe> fyysik: ahah :)
[18:25:23] <fyysik> own
[18:26:19] <Methe> u're waiting for Haiku's kernel to e over and fork it! I know it !
[18:26:25] <Methe> =)
[18:26:58] <fyysik> does somone know proper books? "Learn to Write OS in 7 days" or "Write YourOS in 7 days" ?
[18:27:09] <Methe> yeah
[18:27:10] <Methe> sure
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[18:27:11] <alphakiller> www.osdever.net
[18:27:13] <Methe> got a better one
[18:27:15] <Sg_Henry> everybody should fork one time in his life
[18:27:22] <Methe> write your own os in a single tet file
[18:27:25] <Methe> this one rox
[18:27:26] <alphakiller> you won't write one in a week
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[18:27:36] <fyysik> ok
[18:27:42] <alphakiller> but it's possible to write one :>D
[18:27:49] * tqh was planning to write his own OS long time ago, but then he found BeOS R3
[18:27:50] <fyysik> "Write YourOS in 21 days" ?
[18:28:01] <shackan_> uh?
[18:28:04] <alphakiller> Write your os in 60 days
[18:28:05] <alphakiller> at least
[18:28:06] <Sg_Henry> "OS writting for Dummies"
[18:28:06] <alphakiller> :D
[18:28:30] <Methe> ahah
[18:28:36] <Methe> chapter 1 - The keyboard
[18:28:44] <Methe> chapter 2 - The network stack
[18:28:46] <Methe> =)
[18:28:48] <fyysik> no,  60 days is too long. Any dummy will loose his mativation
[18:28:55] <shackan_> chapter 0 - the power button !
[18:28:56] <Korli2> fyysik http://jerome.duval.free.fr/obos/haiku-emuxki-cvs-20050129.zip
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[18:29:31] <tqh> 'Chapter 10 - Giving Up'
[18:29:36] <Sg_Henry> :D
[18:30:00] <alphakiller> I'm writing mine since 4 years ago
[18:30:04] <alphakiller> reasearching, etc ..
[18:30:04] <alphakiller> hehehe
[18:30:17] <alphakiller> this current approach, since past july
[18:30:17] <shackan_> chapter 11 - after giving up, how to make money selling a book about writing an os !
[18:30:33] <fyysik> Korli2 - what your computer clock shows at the moment?
[18:30:47] <Korli2> 18:36
[18:30:52] <Sg_Henry> he he he, we really can write a book
[18:31:01] <Sg_Henry> Haiku: The making of
[18:31:12] <fyysik> Korli2 - weird. Binary is dated as modified at 7:57
[18:31:39] <fyysik> anyway. reboot
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[18:32:18] <tic> Sg_Henry, yup, just copy the changelogs from CVS ;)
[18:32:32] <Methe> tic: huhu ;D
[18:32:33] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/build/.cvsignore: Ignore libgccObjects and Timezones.
[18:32:43] <tic> see? ^^^ ;D
[18:32:49] <CIA-8> mwilber * current/src/kits/interface/Alert.cpp: Fixed drawing and placement of buttons on Alert box.
[18:33:00] <Methe> GO HAIKU GO
[18:33:44] <mwilber> Hehehe, it sure would be nice to have someone cheer me on every time I make a code check in at my day job :)
[18:33:46] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/kits/app/Application.cpp: Disabled debugging. Was accidentally committed.
[18:34:17] <Methe> mwilber ok I will :)
[18:34:23] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/tests/kits/app/common/CommonTestApp.cpp: Missing initialization of members in the second constructor.
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[18:36:43] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/kits/app/Messenger.cpp: Consequently use B_{NULL,PREFERRED}_TOKEN to prevent problems with BMessage code checking against B_NULL_TOKEN.
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[18:40:12] <fyysik> no crash but will test more
[18:40:24] <fyysik> shotdown for 15 minutes
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[18:44:09] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/kits/app/Message.cpp: (log message trimmed)
[18:44:09] <CIA-8> * Added Dump() to BMessage::Header for debugging purposes.
[18:44:09] <CIA-8> * In BMessage::Header::ReadFrom(DataIO &) the checksum was checked before
[18:44:09] <CIA-8> the fBodySize field was initialized, which could make
[18:44:09] <CIA-8> BMessage::Unflatten() fail.
[18:44:09] <CIA-8> * Calculate the header checksum now by writing the header to a buffer and
[18:44:11] <CIA-8> checksumming that. This is simpler and avoids problems when something
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[18:45:22] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/headers/private/app/MessagePrivate.h: Consequently use B_PREFERRED_TOKEN when the preferred target is addressed.
[18:47:35] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/ (MessageDeliverer.h MessageDeliverer.cpp): Added another DeliverMessage version for broadcasting.
[18:49:55] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/ (MessageRunnerManager.cpp TRoster.cpp Watcher.cpp): Now we use the MessageDeliverer to send asynchronous messages to other apps. Seems to work when the target port is not full. The other case has not been tested yet.
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[19:11:59] <fyysik> Korli - what did you change? No crash but same effect as my intermidiate version - MediaApps cannot start, including media Preferences, and when Media Settings app is started - no SB there
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[19:14:42] <Korli2> fyysik i moved the HCFG part and the reset of num_cards in shutdown
[19:15:00] <Korli2> sorry in uninit_driver
[19:15:31] * fyysik wonders how fine and misterious is drivers nature
[19:16:19] <Korli2> gcc is 20041202
[19:16:38] <fyysik> same here
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[19:17:34] <fyysik> cannot even restart MediaServices, after put old driver back. Media add-on server won't quit.
[19:17:37] <fyysik> Reboot
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[19:17:43] <Korli2> hmm
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[19:26:14] <Korli2> fyysik is it better ? i can add log info if you want
[19:26:34] <Korli2> orli2>	or i send you the source file so that you can try
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[19:31:01] <matricks> GAH
[19:31:09] <fyysik> it isn't good as i said
[19:31:14] <fyysik> it isn't good as i said
[19:31:19] <fyysik> it hangs badly
[19:31:21] <matricks> anyone know where I can get jam for win32? or the jam source?
[19:31:30] <fyysik> as my intermidiate version, Korli2
[19:31:52] <fyysik> MediaPreferences cannot start as any Media app
[19:32:02] <fyysik> and then media-addon-server cannot quite
[19:32:04] <fyysik> quit
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[19:38:37] <Korli2> fyysik i understand but no idea
[19:39:36] <Korli2> can you access our cvs ?
[19:41:09] <fyysik> to checkout?
[19:41:29] <fyysik> didn't try after move to Dr_Evil's site and svn
[19:41:47] <Korli2> hmm ?
[19:43:00] <fyysik> as far undestand, sources were moved away from sourceforge. To same hosting which Marcus uses for his own project
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[19:43:19] <Korli2> didn't know
[19:43:29] <Korli2> which project ?
[19:44:16] <fyysik> Haiku
[19:44:40] <Korli2> you mean berlios.de ?
[19:44:53] <fyysik> and Marcus own site/project is "mad-scientist"
[19:44:59] <fyysik> yeah, berlios.de
[19:45:08] <Korli2> ok
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[19:46:09] <Korli2> could you diff your working source with mine please ?
[19:46:45] <Korli2> anyone has advice on mp3 players ?
[19:46:54] <matricks> ipod
[19:47:11] <Korli2> which one
[19:47:26] <matricks> mini or the normal one
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[19:53:31] <fyysik> Korli2 - yeah, will do, wait a bit. Computer is again under big load with that building
[19:53:54] <Korli2> ok
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[19:59:22] <fyysik> Korli2 - last zip i got from you via DCC was binary dsitro with multiaudio add-on, not sources. Wish i try this one too?
[20:00:55] <fyysik> previous zip contained install.sh and emxuki.zip
[20:01:00] <fyysik> and that one hanged
[20:01:31] <fyysik> ohh or was i lost last one?
[20:01:36] <fyysik> minute
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[20:02:54] <fyysik> ahh, sorry, found it. there weren't emxuki folder inside, so it was unpacked all in my home dir as is
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[20:03:37] <Korli2> yeah sorry
[20:05:56] <fyysik> shut down
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[20:06:59] <fyy_laptop> waiting for "discharge" of desktop
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[20:12:26] <CIA-8> mwilber * current/src/kits/interface/Alert.cpp:
[20:12:26] <CIA-8> Changed buttons and TextView back to being children of the MasterView so that
[20:12:26] <CIA-8> the Archive() BMessage matches Be's version. Changed when MasterView is added as
[20:12:26] <CIA-8> child of the Alert window to fix the "out-of-alignment" issue.
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[20:14:42] <fyy_laptop> Korli - this time it started ok
[20:15:05] <fyy_laptop> i need to test it one or two days to be sure
[20:15:17] <fyy_laptop> Korli2
[20:15:32] <Korli2> so it works ?
[20:16:18] <fyy_laptop> yeah, this time it started and don't hang media apps
[20:16:52] <fyy_laptop> but as i said, it needs more testing due nature of that bug
[20:17:02] <fyy_laptop> at least some days
[20:17:55] <Korli2> yeah normal
[20:17:56] <fyy_laptop> and i will do diff now
[20:20:22] <fyy_laptop> dump_fx changed?
[20:20:44] <Korli2> not that i know
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[20:21:54] <fyy_laptop> ahh. no
[20:22:06] <fyy_laptop> redirecting diff in file.
[20:22:21] <fyy_laptop> "more" is bit inconvinient:)
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[20:26:38] <fyy_laptop> yeah
[20:26:43] <fyy_laptop> compared
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[20:27:15] <fyy_laptop> so you actually cleaned garbage from my version  and added new card support
[20:27:58] <fyy_laptop> ok, switching desktop off for bit longer time
[20:29:34] <Korli2> exactly
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[20:31:07] <Korli2> hey oco
[20:31:19] <oco> bonjour !
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[20:31:39] <@mmu_man> plop
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[20:33:54] <fyy_laptop> ok, booted again, no problem Korli2 - now we need someone with Audigy cards to test
[20:34:17] <oco> i have one !
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[20:34:44] <fyy_laptop> really! wow, oco, you can help Haiku then!
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[20:35:21] <fyysik> oco - please test new emxuki driver with your Audigy if you can
[20:35:30] <oco> "audigy 2 zs"
[20:35:38] <oco> wher can i download it ?
[20:35:48] <fyysik> oco - did it work with current emuxki driver version?
[20:35:55] <oco> yes
[20:36:44] <fyysik> Korli2 - can you give him this version? I have my bit older uploaded, but probably your one will be better, as it will go inti CVS
[20:37:24] <fyysik> (or if corli is sleeping i can DCC even last one)
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[20:38:45] <oco> What is new in this version ?
[20:38:51] <fyysik> oco - i think it needs cold reboot for clean testing. At least for me it matters
[20:39:17] <fyysik> oco - crash fix for some configuration and support for some newer Audigy 2
[20:39:57] <fyysik> but before let it into CVS Korli wish to be sure that it don't affect other cards
[20:41:13] <oco> so, i try rebooting ! see you in one minute !
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[20:43:26] <oco> it seems to work !
[20:43:34] <fyysik> nice
[20:44:16] <fyysik> waiting results from bebits talkback, where old driver crashed for another person
[20:44:54] <fyysik> oco - so you are next lucky one who can watch movies in BeOS with real surround sound:)
[20:45:05] <oco> ah ?
[20:45:12] <fyysik> didn't you know?
[20:45:26] <fyysik> we published that info at haikunews several times
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[20:45:40] <oco> i have already do this !
[20:45:52] <fyysik> you need haiku mixer, haiku media preferences and my version of VLC for that
[20:45:55] <fyysik> ahh
[20:45:58] <fyysik> ik>	i c
[20:46:13] <CIA-8> korli * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/emuxki/emuxki.c: moved some more code to avoid crash, thanks to sergei
[20:46:28] <fyysik> standard Preferences don't switch emuxki to output_channel_1
[20:47:23] <Korli2> oco you have a 4th output on your audigy don't you ?
[20:47:33] * fyysik watches "5-th Element" again:)
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[20:48:32] <Korli2> Villeret is dead :(
[20:48:44] <oco> but there is some timing problems
[20:48:50] <fyysik> Vileret?
[20:48:51] <oco> even with cpu_fix
[20:49:08] <oco> Korli2 yes since yesterday
[20:49:19] <oco> an 29 19:49:19 <oco>	a famous french actor
[20:49:37] <oco> "PTS is out of range"
[20:49:41] * fyysik tries to guess "real" spelling of that name
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[20:51:02] <fyysik> Jacques ?
[20:51:08] <oco> yes
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[20:59:26] <tic> HUNGRY
[20:59:29] <Korli2> later
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[21:05:04] <oco> korli : what is the "Enable digital" check box in the setup panel ?
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[21:48:19] <mwilber> .
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[22:12:50] <CIA-6> mwilber * current/src/kits/interface/Alert.cpp: Removed beep when Go() is called because Be's version doesn't beep, fixed button sizes in B_WIDTH_FROM_LABEL mode.
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[22:17:03] <@mmu_man> hmm maybe it could beep a different sound
[22:17:25] <@mmu_man> installsound "Alert" for ex :)
[22:17:31] <Dr_Evil> dont like beeping
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[22:19:29] <@mmu_man> Dr_Evil there beeping is not beeping, just playing the "Alert" system sound
[22:19:35] <@mmu_man> which should be null by default
[22:19:44] <@mmu_man> but that leaves the possibility for the user
[22:20:19] <@mmu_man> but yeah I don't like beeping either
[22:20:27] <Dr_Evil> that would be acceptable
[22:20:28] <@mmu_man> that's why I disabled it by default in desklink
[22:20:46] <@mmu_man> indeed Dano added a lot of sounds like Window Open, Window Close ,...
[22:21:02] <@mmu_man> like in windoze :^)
[22:21:10] <@mmu_man> even mouse click
[22:23:43] <Dr_Evil> yeah, that is so useful
[22:24:10] <tic> of course! :)
[22:26:34] <@mmu_man> it is :p
[22:26:48] <tic> (dunno what for, but hey. :P)
[22:26:52] <@mmu_man> for the Theme manager :)
[22:27:05] <tic> in what way is "window close" useful?)
[22:27:33] <tic> the question is: Mike Oldfield, or Jean-Michel Jarre?
[22:28:02] <@mmu_man> JMJ !
[22:28:21] <fyysik> D.Moruani
[22:28:25] 
[22:28:47] <@mmu_man> an 29 21:28:47 <@mmu_man>	a bit long, and noisy if you close more than one window
[22:29:33] <Dr_Evil> I'm not sure if I should go to a club today
[22:29:44] <tic> mmu_man, hehe.
[22:30:00] <Dr_Evil> I have never been there before, but a friend might be there today, at least he wanted to go, but I can't reach him by phone
[22:30:02] * mmu_man should go to bed early today :)
[22:30:03] <tic> ugh no, I have to get up at 06:05 tomorrow to make it in time for work :/
[22:30:06] <@mmu_man> for once
[22:30:26] 
[22:30:47] <Dr_Evil> I also don't know what to wear
[22:30:51] <tic> ah, the most famous one.
[22:31:02] <tic> dum-bidum-dumdum. This song reminds me of Foundation.
[22:31:08] <tic> (Terminus and all that)
[22:31:15] <tic> Dr_Evil, a Haiku t-shirt, of course!  Always in fashion.
[22:31:18] <Dr_Evil> but it's only 8 km from here, so I might just try if they let me in
[22:32:47] <@mmu_man> tic it's a bit cold to only wear a tshirt
[22:33:00] <@mmu_man> well maybe inside
[22:33:02] <tic> mmu_man, true.  he'll have to wear his Haiku sweatshirt.
[22:33:05] <tic> (too)
[22:33:28] 
[22:33:35] <@mmu_man> :D
[22:33:45] <@mmu_man> but it's really a bit cold for that
[22:33:46] <tic> pity I got myself the XL one. In Sweden, it'd be a good size, but as it's american sizes, it's like a Swedish XXL. :/
[22:33:49] <tic> haha
[22:33:50] <tic> yeah.
[22:33:51] <fyysik> -20 celsius here, so now question what to wear and if to go outside:)
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