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[00:07:29] <fyysik> ouch, -20 C outside:(
[00:08:41] <Sg_Henry> damm!!!
[00:08:53] <Sg_Henry> 4 C outside
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[00:17:06] <CIA-8> haydentech * current/src/servers/app/server/ServerWindow.cpp: AS_LAYER_POP_STATE was inadvertantly deleting the entire layerdata stack instead of just popping the top one off
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[02:34:53] <fyysik> seen lymon
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[03:34:20] <nathanw> stupid university... they're assigning 10.x.x.x addresses to us starting March 31, because they've exhausted their Class-B network
[03:34:29] <nathanw> But they own another one they're not using...
[03:34:31] <nathanw> gar
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[09:49:53] <@mmu_man> let's compile opentracker
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[09:58:02] <@geist> lets
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[10:11:47] <matricks> \o/
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[12:31:39] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi
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[13:59:42] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/drawing_modes/ (6 files): rest of the drawing modes
[14:02:49] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/drawing_modes/ (7 files): huge clean up
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[14:06:01] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/drawing_modes/ (DrawingModeFactory.cpp DrawingModeFactory.h): support for the rest of the drawing modes
[14:06:52] <@Korli> mahlzeit we shouldn't have to host external apps source codes
[14:07:07] <@mahlzeit> well, we could
[14:07:17] <@mahlzeit> but not in the main repository
[14:07:42] <@Korli> we don't have only MIT licensed code btw
[14:07:46] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/Painter.cpp: support for switching the alpha drawing mode when the blending mode changes
[14:08:03] <@mahlzeit> it>	i know
[14:08:20] <@mahlzeit> but ideally we would :-)
[14:08:25] <@Korli> yeah
[14:09:08] <@Korli> i'm more interested in having only patches for external apps
[14:10:28] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/ (TODO NOTES): some additional status information
[14:12:03] <CIA-8> stippi * current/headers/private/servers/app/Painter.h: added some convenience functions, mainly used by the test app
[14:14:01] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/tests/servers/app/painter/BitmapView.cpp: automatically uses alpha blending for B_RGBA32 bitmaps
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[14:48:20] <Dr_Evil> Korli are you here?
[14:48:24] <@Korli> Dr_Evil
[14:48:34] <@Korli> hi
[14:49:08] <Dr_Evil> oh good, two things
[14:49:31] <@Korli> man i can't mail openbeos at freelists dot org : Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname
[14:49:52] <Dr_Evil> first, I need a text to update the Media prefs listing, perhaps a modified Readme.html if you want
[14:50:36] <Dr_Evil> second, I would like you to add me to the svn project as administrator (but I first need to register a name)
[14:52:06] <stippi> I signed up yesterday, but am I not supposed to get a confirmation email?
[14:53:06] <Dr_Evil> I singed up right now
[14:53:06] <Dr_Evil> Congratulations. You have registered on BerliOS Developer.
[14:53:06] <Dr_Evil> You are now being sent a confirmation email to verify your email address. Visiting the link sent to you in this email will activate your account.
[14:53:24] <@Korli> oh i thought i was only a dev
[14:53:35] <Dr_Evil> nothing so far
[14:54:27] <stippi> same text I got yesterday.
[14:54:31] <stippi> no email though
[14:54:53] <Dr_Evil> well Korli you are listed as Projektbetreuer
[14:56:03] <fyysik> http://bezilla.org/ error 403: Verboten! Es sind nur ungengende Zugriffsrechte gesetzt. Bitte ndern Sie die Rechte mit Ihrem FTP-Programm.
[14:56:21] <fyysik> nice. German site
[14:56:46] <@Korli> what's your name Dr_Evil
[14:58:21] <@Korli> there is a graphics difference between R5 and our BTextView ...
[15:01:40] <Dr_Evil> Korli my registration is still not confirmed, no email :(
[15:03:30] <@Korli> hmm
[15:04:08] <Dr_Evil> my name is supposed to be marcusoverhagen
[15:06:13] <@Korli> oh so you are Marcus Overhagen ? ;)
[15:08:53] <@Korli> Dr_Evil done
[15:09:36] <Dr_Evil> Jan 28 14:09:36 <Dr_Evil>
[15:09:36] <Dr_Evil> Pending Account
[15:09:36] <Dr_Evil> Your account is currently pending your email confirmation. Visiting the link sent to you in this email will activate your account.
[15:09:36] <Dr_Evil> If you need this email resent, please click below and a confirmation email will be sent to the email address you provided in registration.
[15:09:43] <Dr_Evil> Jan 28 14:09:43 <Dr_Evil>
[15:09:43] <Dr_Evil> Pending Account
[15:09:43] <Dr_Evil> Your email confirmation has been resent. Visit the link in this email to complete the registration process.
[15:10:13] <Dr_Evil> why doesn't this fucking email get delivered?
[15:10:19] * mahlzeit ate it
[15:10:22] <@mahlzeit> har har har
[15:14:16] * Korli slaps mahlzeit
[15:14:37] <@Korli> anyway Dr_Evil you have been added and oped
[15:14:56] <@Korli> btw Dr_Evil could you op JBurton on this channel ?
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[15:19:51] <@Dr_Evil> yes
[15:21:07] <@Korli> good
[15:21:51] <WindowsUninstall> Someone know nasm?
[15:50:28] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/kits/app/Message.cpp:
[15:50:29] <CIA-8> * Updated copyright date and added myself to the authors. :-)
[15:50:29] <CIA-8> * Removed 1500 lines of unused non-template-madness code. We have version
[15:50:29] <CIA-8> control to resurrect it, if we ever wish to.
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[16:02:40] <@mmu_man> Korli
[16:02:51] <@mmu_man> is our screen_blanker functionnal ?
[16:06:05] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[16:06:05] <CIA-8> Turned _init_message_(), _delete_message_(), and _clean_msg_cache_() into
[16:06:05] <CIA-8> proper private static BMessage members and made them accessible through
[16:06:05] <CIA-8> BMessage::Private. Got rid of unused _reconstruct_message_().
[16:06:32] <@Korli> mmu_man it's supposed to
[16:06:54] <@mmu_man> ok, I want to add something on it
[16:07:07] <@mmu_man> hmm
[16:07:07] <@mmu_man> don't know how to make screen_blanker
[16:07:11] <@Korli> input_server doesn't like it for sure atm ;)
[16:07:20] <@mmu_man> the R5 one ?
[16:07:25] <@Korli> haiku's
[16:07:26] <@mmu_man> does it run in R5 ?
[16:07:38] <@Korli> see in addons/input_server/filters/
[16:08:20] <@mmu_man> k
[16:11:06] * Dr_Evil hates NNTP errors like "400 Success writing creating overview file - throttling"
[16:11:59] * mmu_man pets error: No Error
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[16:30:55] <alphakiller> Kermos: how do you setup the framebuffer pointer ?
[16:33:45] <@mmu_man> EBADCHANNEL
[16:35:44] <tic> mmu_man, when will you add dirty-rect-notify to app_server? :)
[16:36:12] <tic> I have an effective refreshrate of 0.4 Hz right now :)
[16:36:45] <matricks> tic: it's bad when FPS goes to SPF :)
[16:37:25] <tic> matricks, yup. although, it's not very surprising, either: dual celeron 533, vnc, 2560x1024 desktop.
[16:37:42] <tic> (10 mbps link, tho)
[16:39:44] <matricks> hehu
[16:42:59] <@mmu_man> lol
[16:46:19] <ahwayakchih> cya everyone
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[16:58:01] <tic> mmu_man, so when you add that, I can use my computer at home a bit better ... ;)
[16:58:44] <tic> (there's a slight suck-factor to it right now)
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[17:18:44] <@mmu_man> Korli I'm not sure using application/x-vnd.OBOS-ScreenSaverApp as sig is a good idea
[17:18:55] <@mmu_man> I for one use the sig to launch screen_blanker...
[17:19:01] <@mmu_man> sometime :)
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[17:29:33] <@Korli> mmu_man it's up to you
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[17:38:11] <desidaerius504> hello everyone
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[17:42:59] <desidaerius504> has anyone purchased anything from purplus before?I am wanting to buy a copy of BeOS from them but wanted to see whether they were worth my time or money
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[17:51:34] <@mmu_man> <advertising>Get Zeta</advertising>
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[18:03:49] <fyysik> desidaerius504 - i did. Good impression
[18:04:04] <desidaerius504> sweet, cause i just placed my order :-p
[18:04:11] <fyysik> things ended that they 've send me free copy of Corum III:)
[18:04:25] * desidaerius504 loves freebies
[18:04:33] <fyysik> as aplogising for delay in X-mas rush
[18:04:57] <desidaerius504> so how do you like BeOS 5.03 Pro?
[18:05:05] <fyysik> solid
[18:05:21] <fyysik> but needs patches and drivers from bebits to work at modern hardware
[18:05:27] <desidaerius504> good :-)
[18:05:44] <desidaerius504> how many did you need to install?
[18:06:12] <fyysik> Zeta run at new hardware mostly out of the box, but number of patches depends in case of PRO of your hardware
[18:06:45] <fyysik> me? 2 drivers
[18:07:04] <desidaerius504> will you get enough out-of-box support to get a display, mouse, and a keyboard running?
[18:07:35] <fyysik> diplay worked in VESA mode, so i got driver from bebits for Radeon
[18:08:30] <fyysik> and to enable my machine to boot with DMA mode on for HDD i installed IDE Replacement driver
[18:08:55] <desidaerius504> cool
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[18:58:09] <@Korli> question : how to divide an UTF8 char string in UTF8 characters ?
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[18:59:07] <@mahlzeit> there are helper methods for that somewhere
[18:59:18] <@mahlzeit> in jburton's textview code anyway
[18:59:27] <@mahlzeit> so you can step through the string, char by char
[19:02:49] <@Korli> yeah NextInitialByte
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[19:23:36] <_ziggy_> Is there a way to change keybindings for the BeOS window manager ?
[19:24:01] <_ziggy_> I would really like to bind things like mod1+ctrl+c to close a window, etc.
[19:24:23] <mmadia> to do that, you may need SpicyKeys.
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[19:24:39] <mmadia> however to switch using CTRL instead of ALT,  it's a setting  ( checks which program )
[19:24:54] <mmadia> ....     Preferences/Menu
[19:25:31] <_ziggy_> Yeah, I know that.
[19:25:33] <_ziggy_> That's the easy part...
[19:25:47] <Procton> SpicyKeys could do that for you.
[19:26:23] <Procton> you'd probably want to bind alt/ctrl-w, to something so you don't have several keybindings to close windows.
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[19:27:02] <Procton> or wait... no... spicykeys won't fix that... sorry.
[19:29:29] <_ziggy_> spicy keys is nice..
[19:30:00] <Procton> what would be needed is an input-filter that remaps/replaces messages and then forward them to the destination.
[19:30:12] <Procton> that wouldn't be that hard to implement though.
[19:34:50] <@Dr_Evil> This is really strange:
[19:34:51] <@Dr_Evil> #ifdef __cplusplus
[19:34:51] <@Dr_Evil> extern _IMPEXP_BE const char *B_EMPTY_STRING;
[19:34:51] <@Dr_Evil> #endif
[19:35:22] <@Dr_Evil> oops, IRC eate the first line: // Empty string ("") -----------------------------------------------------------
[19:35:59] <_ziggy_> Isn't there some keybinding in BeOS to close a damn window?
[19:36:19] <@Dr_Evil> ALT+W
[19:37:26] <_ziggy_> OK, thanks.
[19:41:22] <_ziggy_> I wish there was a keybinding for killing an application..
[19:41:45] <@Dr_Evil> ALT+Q to close all windows, but nothing to kill it
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[19:42:04] <_ziggy_> Too bad.
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[19:42:11] <mmadia> alt ctrl del is the closest key combo.
[19:42:13] <@mahlzeit> ctrl+shift+alt on deskbar
[19:42:23] <@mahlzeit> or something like that
[19:43:14] <_ziggy_> Yeah, you crashed my deskbar :p
[19:43:25] <mmadia> is the app_server responsible for managing the response to alt ctrl del?
[19:43:46] <@Korli> no
[19:43:51] <Methe> _ziggy_ though u might bind a lot of stuffs with SpicyKeys
[19:44:30] <@mahlzeit> heh, the deskbar isn't supposed to crash when you do the vulcan nerve pinch :-)
[19:45:57] <@Dr_Evil> mahlzeit it does sometimes
[19:46:59] <CIA-8> korli * current/src/servers/input/ (InputServer.cpp BottomlineWindow.cpp): useful pieces of code
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[21:36:09] <@Korli> hey BGA !
[21:36:18] <@BGA> Korli!
[21:37:29] <@Korli> BGA do you know where i can find the font Haru ?
[21:37:57] <@BGA> It comes with the Japanese input Method in R5.
[21:38:27] <@Korli> ok
[21:38:35] <tic> boing bga, korli.
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[21:38:59] <tic> you voidster!
[21:39:10] <voidster> hi tic
[21:39:24] <tic> voidster, how's it hanging?
[21:39:35] <tic> err, that might or might not have been the right thing to say.
[21:39:41] <voidster> haha
[21:40:00] <voidster> hmm, voidref gotsta go, I am the read oidref
[21:40:16] <tic> ehu?
[21:40:26] <voidster> moment
[21:40:38] <tic> moment is the same in Polish..
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[21:41:10] <@Korli> question : can i post a message to a BWindow which is just created and shown ?
[21:41:39] <vger> Korli, yea, show calls run()
[21:41:44] <vger> which starts the message loop
[21:42:01] <tic> vger, are you the correct one?
[21:42:10] <vger> hehe
[21:42:24] <vger> this is a test machine, actually, just seeing how the network holds up
[21:42:27] <tic> ahh.
[21:42:31] <tic> why wouldn't it? :)
[21:42:44] <voidster> cause of new stuff
[21:42:54] <@Korli> vger actually it should work, but it seems not
[21:42:55] <tic> yeah well, d'uh.  I'm trying to push you on details. ;)
[21:43:18] <voidster> Korli, you are probably doing somethign wrong ;)
[21:43:26] <voidster> have you tried using BMessenger ?
[21:45:01] <voidster> tic, hmm, details, well there was a crash see ...
[21:45:22] <tic> voidster, crash my ass! I want the specifics! The gory details! the whole #!
[21:45:24] <voidster> but it was only happening irratically
[21:45:28] <tic> okay.
[21:45:34] <tic> that's annoying :/ Freeze or crash?
[21:45:36] <voidster> and it was a kdl
[21:45:44] <@Korli> voidster i should try BMessenger yeah
[21:45:44] <tic> hey, then you can play Hangman!
[21:45:44] <voidster> since the network is in the kernel
[21:45:51] <voidster> or chess!
[21:45:56] <tic> ohh, you have that too now?
[21:46:13] <voidster> yep, Manuel wrote it ages ago
[21:46:18] <tic> hahaha
[21:46:19] <voidster> I have never actually done that
[21:46:29] <tic> what's the command? chess?
[21:46:29] <voidster> ususally to annoyed by the KDL itself at the time
[21:46:38] <voidster> it might be kdlchess
[21:46:53] <tic> my system always crashes on shutdown/reboot, so I could try it the next time.
[21:47:10] <voidster> it does?
[21:47:14] <tic> Yeah.
[21:47:15] <voidster> tha's gotta suck
[21:47:21] <tic> nah, I never reboot.
[21:47:28] <tic> or well, it still sucks.
[21:47:29] <voidster> what's the crash in?
[21:47:46] <tic> different. registrar, etc. something about having entries/nodes locked or not.  I blame the IDE replacement driver.
[21:48:22] <tic> for some reason, BeOS won't boot my IDE drive off my ABit BP6's IDE channels, the 440BX-provided ones (not the HPT366).
[21:48:25] <voidster> I hope that's not the one that came with Neo, that one was a big mistake
[21:48:30] <tic> nah, it's the one from bebits.
[21:48:33] <voidster> ok
[21:48:53] <voidster> what version of the OS?
[21:48:59] <tic> So I bought myself a Promise 100TX2, but that requires the ide replacement driver, and the combination promise 100tx2/travelstar e7k60 40gb doesn't seem to work very well under ide replacement.
[21:49:11] <tic> voidster, R5.0.3/BONE7a
[21:49:16] <voidster> oh
[21:49:28] <voidster> that's some seriouslyu old software you gotchaself there!
[21:49:54] <tic> that's the OS. Some components are still left from Maui/B2.
[21:50:25] <voidster> wow, I have a Ghenki U turn CD somewhere around here.
[21:50:28] <tic> cool.
[21:50:32] <voidster> I wish I still had my dino r3 beta cd
[21:50:35] <@geist> yeah I found one of those the other day
[21:50:37] <tic> what's dino?
[21:50:38] <@geist> looking for an r5 cd
[21:50:48] <@geist> do you have the dont turn back one?
[21:50:52] <voidster> it was a pic of a stegosarus on the front of a burned cd
[21:50:59] <@geist> where dbg is sitting on the edge of the building?
[21:51:08] <voidster> geist, yea, I do, like, oh, I did...
[21:51:09] <voidster> hmmm
[21:51:14] <tic> I'm planning on making a major reinstallation (i.e., wipe everything, move in everything from ~/config/settings by hand, one-by-one) when I buy my next system (Pentium M) and install latest Zeta on it.
[21:51:33] <tic> ah, so dino r3 beta == R3 beta?
[21:51:47] <voidster> yes
[21:51:52] <tic> according to CeBiT, Zeta-1.0 will be out by the time I have my new 'puter... :)
[21:52:05] <voidster> according to cebit?
[21:52:10] <voidster> what does that mean?
[21:53:37] <tic> there was some news posting telling that Zeta-1.0 would be shown at CeBiT '05
[21:54:10] <tic> but hey, I'm fine with the version after Neo+SP1, doesn't matter if it's called 1.0 or 0.72/b53
[21:55:22] <voidster> tic, where did you see that news posting?
[21:55:48] <tic> voidster, I really can't remember, sorry :/  I'd have to google.
[21:55:53] <tic> it wasn't on one of the regular beos sites.
[21:56:22] <voidster> hmm
[21:57:23] <@Korli> voidster same with BMessenger
[21:58:00] <voidster> Korli, what is the error result you are getting?
[21:58:01] <tic> oh, that should actually be next year's CeBiT: http://www.freenet.de/freenet/computer_und_technik/betriebssysteme/linux/zeta_neo/
[21:59:13] <@Korli> voidster i'm sending a B_INPUT_METHOD_STARTED to my BTextView
[21:59:30] <@Korli> and next input method events aren't accepted because no transaction is active
[21:59:41] <voidster> Korli, I thought you said you were sending it to a window.
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[22:00:22] <@Korli> an 28 21:00:22 <@Korli>	a view attached to a window
[22:00:34] <voidster> are you sure it's attached when you send the message?
[22:00:44] <voidster> how are you getting the pointer to the view?
[22:00:46] <@Korli> no how can i be sure ?
[22:01:13] <voidster> you can be programmatically sure.
[22:01:22] <@Korli> i>	i have the view pointer in a private field
[22:01:41] <voidster> how do you go about putting the view in the window?
[22:03:15] <tic> voidster, did you look at the URL?
[22:05:13] <@Korli> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/open-beos/current/src/servers/input/BottomlineWindow.cpp?rev=1.1&view=auto
[22:05:35] <@Korli> the view is built in the window constructor
[22:05:45] <@Korli> then the window is shown
[22:05:55] <voidster> geist, package mailed off
[22:06:15] <tic> bribes!
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[22:07:09] <@geist> voidster: woot
[22:07:13] <fyysik> hi ppl
[22:07:16] <@geist> thanks d00der
[22:07:21] <voidster> no problem
[22:07:43] <@Korli> hey mmu_man
[22:07:53] <voidster> although i have heard reports that the r5 compatibility kit has some issues. As we never use it, it does not get tested... you might have to massage it into shape.
[22:08:07] <voidster> it should not be much of a problem though.
[22:08:22] <@Korli> the desklink options you added are getting us some mails now :p
[22:08:31] <voidster> although, haiku should be self hosted, so that should be fine.
[22:08:35] <@mmu_man> arf, Deskbar deadlocks on boot
[22:08:44] <@mmu_man> 2nd time
[22:08:50] <@mmu_man> since I installed im kit
[22:09:03] <tic> r5 compability kit? haiku self hosted? what's this?
[22:09:12] <@Korli> voidster you talking to me ?
[22:09:21] <voidster> Korli, no, geist
[22:09:48] <@Korli> ok i was confused
[22:09:51] <voidster> tic, I mean, the haiku build tree should be using all it's own headers and libs
[22:10:06] <voidster> idster>	i sent geist a copy of zeta so he could do some hacking
[22:10:15] <@geist> yeah
[22:10:30] <@geist> does samba run decently enough on zeta?
[22:10:31] <tic> Hm, I thought haiku still required some R5 stuff.
[22:10:49] <tic> not in write mode, according to mmu_man.  NFS works fine, though.
[22:10:56] <@geist> damn
[22:10:57] <tic> he's here, he should be able to tell you .:)
[22:11:04] <tic> I might be wrong.
[22:11:05] <voidster> geist, there is no advisory locking, so I wouldn't trust it
[22:11:20] <voidster> unless you plan on being the only user
[22:11:20] <tic> Is there no NFSd for Windows?
[22:11:22] <@mmu_man> what ?
[22:11:24] <voidster> you can get one of those hacks
[22:11:24] * mmu_man catsup
[22:11:29] <@geist> I was hoping I could just run it as a headless box
[22:11:30] <tic> mm, ketchup..
[22:11:37] <@geist> and do all my editing over samba and compile via telnet
[22:11:58] <voidster> geist, maybe we can send you something...
[22:11:58] <tic> hm, should work?
[22:12:05] <@Korli> voidster you're trying to convert geist, aren't you ? :)
[22:12:09] <tic> geist, couldn't you open via FTP?
[22:12:27] <tic> geist, but I guess that's a bit tedious.
[22:12:51] <voidster> Korli, geist is an old IRL friend, i like to make him happy
[22:13:06] * DaaT doesn't want to know how voidster keeps geist happy...
[22:13:09] <tic> haha.
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[22:13:25] <tic> DaaT, the white sticky stuff we were talking about, perhaps? ;)
[22:13:40] <DaaT> _you_ were talking about... i know nothing of that
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[22:13:47] <DaaT> LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLLL
[22:13:56] <@Korli> dunno what is IRL ...
[22:14:01] <@voidref> In Real Life
[22:14:02] <@voidref> hahaha
[22:14:24] <@voidref> as opposed to the only nearly real expierence of knowing people over IRC
[22:15:24] <@geist> oh dont worry I'll figure something out
[22:15:28] <@geist> I just have my editor I like to use, but it's windows only
[22:15:35] <@Korli> IRL friends are precious
[22:15:36] <tic> geist, which editor?
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[22:15:41] <@geist> Source Insight
[22:15:46] <tic> m'kay.  no idea. :)
[22:15:53] <@geist> I use it a lot over samba shares at work and whatnot
[22:16:49] <tic> geist, also, there's a VNC server for BeOS now that works well. Slow, because of the lack of a dirty-rect-notification message in app_server, but it's really stable and all.  And over a 100mbit net with a fast system, I doubt it'll be very slow for you.  I'm using it over a 10 mbit link, dual cel 533, 2560x1024 desktop.
[22:17:16] <tic> and I get something like 2-3 SPF.
[22:17:19] <tic> more like 2.
[22:17:38] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/ (nv_acc.c nv_acc_dma.c): completed DMA acc for NV30 architecture, still untested. Fixed two doubled registerdefines which adress the same registers.
[22:20:06] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/nv_macros.h: removed two double defines for the same register, added new defines needed for NV20 and NV30 architecture DMA acceleration.
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[22:34:33] <tic> anyone considering Xen around here?
[22:40:33] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/tests/servers/app/painter/main.cpp: more refactoring and separating tests, currently it tests straight line performance
[22:44:12] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/Painter.cpp: trying to optimize for B_SOLID_XXXX, implemented separate _SetPattern function, which encourages usage of a special DrawinMode instance, but it is currently not used, because it didn't give much speedup.
[22:45:02] <CIA-8> stippi * current/headers/private/servers/app/Painter.h: trying to optimize for B_SOLID_XXXX, implemented separate _SetPattern function, which encourages usage of a special DrawinMode instance, but it is currently not used, because it didn't give much speedup.
[22:46:12] <@Korli> question : how to control a debug server window with hey ?
[22:46:22] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/drawing_modes/ (DrawingModeFactory.cpp DrawingModeFactory.h): flag for using a solid version of a DrawingMode, currently only B_OP_COPY actually has an implementation
[22:47:17] <tic> hey debug_server set Active/Invoked of Control 2 of Window 0.. Can't remember which verb to use.
[22:49:23] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/drawing_modes/DrawingModeCopySolid.h: the version for B_OP_COPY that ignores the pattern and uses the color from the AGG renderer directly, thus the renderer color needs to be set up correctly, which Painter does take care of
[22:50:02] <stippi> tic: WTF is Xen? It keeps popping up.
[22:50:17] <tic> first hit on Google: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/
[22:50:30] <tic> it's an OS hypervisor. you port your kernel to it, and then you can switch between OSes
[22:51:01] <tic> http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/xen/
[22:51:25] <dr_Evil_> re
[22:51:57] <@Korli> tic i'd like to press the OK button of the crashed input_server :)
[22:52:21] <dr_Evil_> Korli use telnet, and kill -9
[22:52:26] <tic> Korli, yeah.  I had a script that did it once..
[22:52:31] <tic> Yeah, that's probably even easier.
[22:52:32] <stippi> tic: Thanks for the info, but I don't think I have use for that.
[22:52:39] <tic> stippi, you asked. :)
[22:52:45] <@mmu_man> geist
[22:52:49] * dr_Evil_ always has telnet and ftp enabled, but port forwarding in DSL router is disabled, so it's save
[22:52:57] <@Korli> dr_Evil_ kill -9 isn't useful
[22:53:06] <tic> Korli, should work.  kill -9 and then restart it.
[22:53:11] <@mmu_man> well I forward to an unused address on the LAN :)
[22:53:17] <@Korli> i'd prefer to debug the app
[22:53:19] <stippi> Korli: /system/servers/input_server -q
[22:53:27] <dr_Evil_> in BeOS input_server is restarted automatically if it's killed or wuit
[22:53:29] <dr_Evil_> quit
[22:53:37] <@mmu_man> Korli what's its state in ps ?
[22:53:55] <dr_Evil_> just try it, press Ctrl+Alt+Del and kill it, it will be restarted after a few seconds
[22:53:55] <@mmu_man> if it's rcv it's probably stuck in receive_data() in the kernel
[22:54:03] <@mmu_man> you need to flood it
[22:54:12] <@mmu_man> go beshare, find thread_send
[22:54:53] <@Korli> dr_Evil_ i can't control anything when input_server is crashed :p
[22:55:27] <@Korli> i>	i want to have to debug console
[22:56:23] <dr_Evil_> telnet is the best choice for the next time
[22:56:40] <@mmu_man> hmm someone is updating clamscan for beos :)
[22:56:46] <@Korli> dr_Evil_ i have telnet
[22:56:50] <tic> dr_Evil_, still, that won't get you the debug output...
[22:56:54] <tic> or rather, the debug console.
[22:57:26] <dr_Evil_> it will
[22:57:40] <@Korli> eh no
[22:57:40] <dr_Evil_> just kill it from the telnet console, and restart it from there
[22:57:50] <dr_Evil_> should give you all the debug output
[22:58:10] <@Korli> debug console ?
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[22:58:28] <dr_Evil_> no, not debug console
[22:58:36] <tic> It's the debug console he wants. :)
[22:58:50] <tic> stack trace etc.
[22:59:05] <dr_Evil_> but kernel debugger doesn't help when input server crashes
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[22:59:20] <tic> not -kernel- debugger. the app debugger.
[22:59:35] <dr_Evil_> you can't use bdb, perhaps you can attach gdb using gdb server
[22:59:50] <@Korli> i'm newbie to this
[23:00:20] <dr_Evil_> but I never did that in BeOS, only in Linux (and there it failed, as I was trying to debug a PPC on a x86 system, and gdb wanted to load PPC libraries on x86 :-(
[23:00:23] <tic> dr_Evil_, you know when an app crashes, you can choose to go to the debugger, right? That's what he wants to do, so he can get a stack trace, at the very least.
[23:01:06] <dr_Evil_> running it via telnet from gdb might have the same effect
[23:01:53] <tic> true.
[23:02:21] <@Korli> i'll try this then
[23:02:54] <tic> Korli, lemme know if you find a "hey" command that works, I'm also interested.
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[23:07:30] <@Korli> tic i found out the crash point, locking is important
[23:07:56] <@mmu_man> Korli
[23:07:59] <@mmu_man> pkgsrc ?
[23:08:18] <tic> Korli, yap.
[23:08:19] <@mmu_man> sounds good... actually I was thinking of some beosports or something
[23:08:36] <@mmu_man> like, a single Makefile to cvs co, configure and build...
[23:08:55] <@mmu_man> now, in Zeta I wrote a makefile-engine.autotools for autotools based stuff
[23:09:09] <@mmu_man> works quite well so far, maybe we could contribute something there
[23:09:15] <tic> nice.
[23:10:00] <@mmu_man> tic yeah, I just have a GNUmakefile in the place, has NAME=, BOOTREL_INSTALL_PATH=, CONFIGURE_OPTIONS= and some other
[23:10:12] <@mmu_man> and handles configuring, make and make install
[23:10:21] <tic> Ahh, that's really nice.
[23:10:38] <tic> autotools is really ugly.
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[23:13:52] <dr_Evil_> hmm, there is no gdb in Zeta
[23:14:09] <dr_Evil_> I think there was one in R5, but perhaps I'm wrong
[23:14:31] <tic> so gdb as default in R5/BONE at least.
[23:15:37] <@Korli> can't find gdb on R5
[23:15:41] <tic> bed time..
[23:15:44] <tic> *Zzz*
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[23:17:31] <@Korli> launching db gives me the debug console
[23:17:38] <@Korli> in graphics mod !
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[23:22:41] <voidster> why is my old nick still here? I quit cleanly.
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[23:23:22] <@mmu_man> dr_Evil_ it was ported on geekgadgets
[23:23:27] <@mmu_man> an 28 22:23:27 <@mmu_man>	an old version
[23:23:32] <@mmu_man> but it wasn't in R5 :)
[23:24:14] <@mmu_man> dr_Evil_ check Andrew's beshares, he has all mirrored
[23:24:30] <@mmu_man> I heard it even worked with threads and all
[23:24:36] <@mmu_man> if I had time I'd give a look
[23:26:15] <dr_Evil_> it might be useful for Korli
[23:27:25] <@mmu_man> bdb doesn't work ?
[23:28:18] <dr_Evil_> isn't bdb graphical? its needed for debugging a crashing input server using telnet
[23:28:23] <@mmu_man> oh yeah didn't catsup
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[23:30:21] <@mmu_man> now, would be ncie if db would attach to the tty instead of spawning a Terminal
[23:30:39] <@mmu_man> but it actually only calls debug_thread() it seems so
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[23:33:32] <tic> which is the latest vlc?
[23:34:15] <DaaT> 0.8.2 i think
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[23:36:33] <@mmu_man> vlc-0.8.2-svn-20050108 here
[23:42:17] * fyysik now uses multichannel VLC again
[23:42:55] <tic> still has bad synch problems.
[23:44:09] <fyysik> really? Didn't notice bad sync in VLC exept "especially  professionally" home-made videos
[23:46:32] <dr_Evil_> as in VBR MP3 in WAV in AVI?
[23:49:34] <fyysik> didn't look at logs, but usually those were DVDs grabbed and encoded in Windows by novices, or something made from home videocameras
[23:50:02] <fyysik> (AVIs encoded from DVDs)
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[23:50:57] <fyysik> and that wasn't just desync, but rather work in start-stop mode with high CPU load, in attempts to keep all in sync
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[23:59:18] <@mmu_man> stippi ask voidref about profiling





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