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[01:50:09] <geist> heh, nielsx announces he might start working on a usb stack even though he has no time and no knowledge of how and he gets front page on osnews
[01:50:17] <geist> waaa, I dont get osnews coverage anymore
[01:51:03] <Bryan_W> create an os
[01:51:05] <Bryan_W> oh.
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[02:01:42] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/arch/x86/arch_real_time_clock.c: Added missing include.
[02:03:51] <fyysik> ghm
[02:04:08] <fyysik> is there any other candidate to take that USB work???
[02:04:33] <geist> ist>	i dunno, but I know from experience that usb stacks are very very difficult
[02:05:14] <fyysik> heh, i wrote already at russian BeOS news site that MAYBE Travis Geiselbrecht will help with that:)
[02:05:26] <lymon> :)
[02:05:34] <geist> it's one of those kind of things were you're better off waiting for someone experienced to do it, since you'll just end up with something buggy and a pain in the ass and wasting everyones time
[02:05:55] <geist> well, perhaps. I started on one newos and got to the point where it'd enumerate usb busses
[02:06:03] <geist> ohci only
[02:07:29] <fyysik> heh, 500 patents from IBM, 1600 from Sun - who will give more?:)
[02:10:57] * geist gives all his patents to the open source world
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[02:14:14] <MikeW> you have patents geist?
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[02:17:43] <geist> MikeW: no, kidding
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[03:22:14] <CIA-8> axeld * current/makehdimage:
[03:22:14] <CIA-8> Need to create the kernel drivers settings directory when
[03:22:14] <CIA-8> something should be copied there...
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[04:05:21] <Trevor1> What was the recommended CPU speed and RAM for BeOS 5?
[04:05:27] <Trevor1> google isn't being my friend tonight
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[04:06:11] <geist> infinity and lots
[04:07:12] <Trevor1> What's the minimum then?
[04:07:25] <Trevor1> I thought BeOS 5 couldn't boot with more than 1 GB anyway
[04:07:33] <Trevor1> Or was that just the personal edition
[04:07:48] <geist> dont listen to me
[04:08:13] <fyysik> 48 MB RAM, 266 Mhz for Intel, 400-450 for K6-2 is usable
[04:08:59] <fyysik> 500 MB PIII and 128 MB RAM - totally OK
[04:09:08] <fyysik> 500 Mhz PIII
[04:09:27] <fyysik> anything more - super, if you don't use BeOS Zeta
[04:09:39] <Trevor1> No point in getting my BeOS box working again just yet then
[04:09:54] <geist> hmm, I should find my r5 cd
[04:09:59] <geist> I have no idea where it is
[04:10:00] <Trevor1> Unless 150 MHz and 36 MB RAM will just cut it?
[04:10:18] <Trevor1> Is freely distributing BeOS 5 non personal edition legal yet?
[04:10:23] <fyysik> it works at 150 + 36. Bit no joy
[04:10:45] <fyysik> nobody claimed at least about PE legality
[04:10:50] <fyysik> and still available
[04:11:08] <Trevor1> Distributing personal edition was always legal, wasn't it?
[04:11:20] <fyysik> if you don't change it, it hink
[04:11:23] <fyysik> ik>	i think
[04:11:29] <geist> well, it's not technically true that I can't find my r5 cd. I have a shrink wrapped box, and I dont want to open it
[04:11:35] <geist> but I know I had another disc somewhere
[04:11:44] <geist> I have plenty of r3, r4, r4.5 disc
[04:11:58] * fyysik knowing his bad memory did 3 backup copies of his 5 PRO
[04:12:12] <Trevor1> That shrink wrapped box will hopefully be worth a lot of money one day
[04:12:17] <geist> that was the idea
[04:12:32] <geist> I forgot what the difference was between r4.5 and r5
[04:12:43] <geist> not much iirc. we were originally going to call it 4.6
[04:12:46] <fyysik> not so much if any:)
[04:13:02] <geist> it was literally built from a source tree called beos_r46, IIRC
[04:13:04] <fyysik> more drivers?
[04:13:14] <Trevor1> I've never seen any of them before 5
[04:13:28] <geist> oh and on 5 we changed the logo to the uterus one
[04:16:32] <Trevor1> atheos, where have I heard that word before
[04:16:38] <Trevor1> :/
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[04:17:14] <geist> atheos is the beos clone that a guy named kurt wrote
[04:17:18] <geist> later spun off into syllable
[04:17:56] <alphakiller> geist: I think I'll let banks as default
[04:18:09] <alphakiller> it's frustrating not being able to run your own os on a real box
[04:18:11] <geist> okay and why are you on this channel?
[04:18:53] <alphakiller> just dunno ...
[04:18:54] <alphakiller> :(
[04:19:01] <alphakiller> well, changing subject
[04:19:15] <alphakiller> I was curious
[04:19:26] <geist> well you're welcome here
[04:19:33] <alphakiller> about why did haiku choosed your kernel :D
[04:19:43] <geist> ah okay, well then that's okay
[04:19:57] <alphakiller> any idea ?
[04:20:40] <geist> talk to the haiku guys
[04:21:14] <alphakiller> aren't you involved in the project ?
[04:21:25] <alphakiller> in their FAQ appears your name at least 6 times
[04:21:26] <alphakiller> hehehe
[04:21:34] <alphakiller> I even know it by heart now :D
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[04:23:22] <geist> not really
[04:23:42] <geist> though I've been hanging out pseudo permanently here now in case someone has a question and in general to just see what's going on
[04:23:51] <geist> since I've pretty much stalled out on any real dev on newos itself
[04:25:23] <alphakiller> hmm
[04:26:57] <Trevor1> What do the other guys listed on the sourceforge site do? Idle and look pretty?
[04:28:27] <alphakiller> oh ... i thought i was on the #newos
[04:28:31] <alphakiller> huhuhu
[04:29:26] <alphakiller> well ... sleep time
[04:29:28] <geist> yeah that's why I was wondering why you popped your head in here, since I have never seen you interested in haiku before
[04:29:28] <alphakiller> cya
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[04:33:53] <Trevor1> That alphakiller is quite a character, that's for sure
[04:34:43] <geist> yeah
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[05:19:11] <Cramit> I just read the subversion announcement, in it axel mentions that ssh needs to be updated for R5
[05:19:30] <Cramit> does this imply that netserver users will be getting ssh2?
[05:19:43] <Cramit> or just an update for BONE?
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[08:07:12] <CIA-8> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/ (vm.h syscalls.h):
[08:07:12] <CIA-8> Added _kern_transfer_area() syscall.
[08:07:12] <CIA-8> Added team_id parameter to vm_create_aspace().
[08:08:40] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/port.c:
[08:08:40] <CIA-8> read_port() and write_port() must accept a NULL pointer as buffer if
[08:08:40] <CIA-8> the bufferSize is zero.
[08:12:08] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/ (team.c vm/vm_address_space.c):
[08:12:08] <CIA-8> vm_create_aspace() now also get the team_id of the owner of the address
[08:12:08] <CIA-8> space to be created - this replaces the internal ID they had before.
[08:12:08] <CIA-8> Now, team_id == aspace_id.
[08:13:14] <m_eiman> nathanw: around?
[08:14:03] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/vm/vm.c:
[08:14:03] <CIA-8> Added and implemented transfer_area() syscall; for now, transfer_area() is
[08:14:03] <CIA-8> not exported, only the syscall is.
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[08:17:24] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/vm/vm.c: team_id == aspace_id.
[08:18:51] <geist> interesting
[08:18:55] <geist> guess that makes sense
[08:19:35] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/tests/kernel/core/ (transfer_area_test.cpp Jamfile): Added a small test program for the transfer_area() call.
[08:33:22] <@mmu_man> much simpler to map server areas into apps than getting the perms to clone
[08:33:49] <@mmu_man> if that's the intention
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[09:17:05] <m_eiman> Anyone here with MDR filter programming knowledge?
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[09:22:28] <JBurton> hi xeD
[09:22:47] <xeD> JBurton gooodmorning
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[09:44:45] <@mmu_man> !spell functionallities
[09:45:30] <@mmu_man> hmm one l
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[10:01:22] <@Korli> hi JBurton
[10:06:27] <@Korli> i>	i should have shutdown this irc client last night :p
[10:09:01] <@Korli> osnews publishs any kind of news these days
[10:09:45] <@Korli> geist nielx started to code on a usb stack some time ago already
[10:10:15] <@Korli> i>	i think this is what means the "news" item
[10:14:01] <geist> yeah i know
[10:16:38] <Dr3w> he - "Yeah, I know!"....
[10:27:31] * mmu_man wants his osnews item-of-the-day
[10:28:17] <sys2> damn
[10:28:29] <sys2> my isp programmer does not like to work or ive connected something in the wrong way :P
[10:29:30] <sys2> or mys oldering sucks as usual .. :/
[10:29:42] <sys2> or i do not get signals out to lp
[10:29:45] <sys2> or...
[10:29:46] <sys2> :P
[10:36:05] <@Korli> "No person or company
[10:36:05] <@Korli> may charge a fee for the distribution of unRAR without written
[10:36:05] <@Korli> permission from the copyright holder."
[10:36:28] <@Korli> what does this mean ?
[10:37:04] <|pst|> It means that no person or company may charge a fee...
[10:37:20] <|pst|> Most probably the provider may still charge for the download traffic.
[10:37:33] <@Korli> it means it's not distributable with linux distros for example ?
[10:37:40] <|pst|> Yes.
[10:38:57] <@Korli> we really need a package collection for this type of software
[10:40:24] <|pst|> Some people argue that you can still include it in distributions if you kind of "separate" it. This way it's just some free, additional stuff; the fee is only for the rest of the distribution.
[10:43:12] <@Korli> is it included in Zeta btw ?
[10:45:51] <geist> oh well I say fuck em
[10:45:56] <geist> who uses rar anyway
[10:51:54] <m_eiman> All the l337 hackers kids do to split large files into 50mb chunks
[10:52:40] <JBurton> Korli hi
[10:52:46] <JBurton> sorry, was busy/away
[10:52:55] <JBurton> rar is cool geist :P
[10:53:23] <JBurton> Korli osnews sucks
[10:53:46] <JBurton> they miss the real news (like registrar working on haiku)
[10:54:45] <@Korli> they lack someone following the beos/zeta scene
[10:54:51] <JBurton> yeah
[10:55:45] <@Korli> Expander should be able to let me provide a password for expanding archives, no ?
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[11:05:00] <@Korli> zip doesn't support encryption anyway
[11:05:42] <Dr3w> Cool, a ReactOS developer is working on a PowerPC port...
[11:05:51] <geist> of what?
[11:06:02] <Dr3w> ReactOS
[11:06:05] <geist> oh
[11:06:09] <Dr3w> :)
[11:06:20] <sys2> reactos .. isnt that the windows clone?
[11:06:23] <geist> cause otherwise it sure looks like axeld is toying with the ppc port of haiku
[11:06:45] <sys2> port it before you get it running on one platform? :>
[11:07:06] <geist> well, it's not a terribly strategy actually
[11:07:18] <@mahlzeit> it's a very good strategy in fact
[11:07:24] <sys2> is it? :>
[11:07:25] <geist> since having an active set of ports keeps the arch indepedence alive
[11:07:33] <@Korli> yeah
[11:07:36] <geist> it was the original point of porting newos to sh-4 very eary
[11:07:37] <geist> early
[11:07:39] <@mahlzeit> which results in better code throughout
[11:07:51] <@Korli> it also makes ppc people happy
[11:07:57] <geist> I wanted the newos design to be extremely portable, so I went ahead and ported to something totally different from x86
[11:08:02] <geist> then later I ported to ppc
[11:08:08] <@Korli> they are so annoying if we do'nt
[11:08:26] <sys2> hehe :>
[11:08:28] <geist> another important port that someone should fool with is x86-64
[11:08:50] <geist> not so much because we need it running on x86-64, but it's an easy 64-bit port to do
[11:08:53] <@Korli> i>	i think we're waiting on you geist
[11:08:56] * sys2 wants to see haiku running before taking to huge steps :>
[11:09:07] <geist> and having the code 64-bit safe is pretty important early on
[11:09:25] <geist> I'd be a lot more interested if a) I had time and b) it wasn't so goddamn beos centric
[11:09:27] <@mahlzeit> just like endian and alignment safety :-)
[11:09:47] <@Korli> geist as you wish
[11:09:49] <matricks> it's easier to get good code aswell. some bugs appear easier on other platforms with other compilers
[11:10:14] <geist> that being said next time I get some time Im going to try to get it building again
[11:10:23] <@Korli> geist btw what is the "good" pointer type ?
[11:10:41] <geist> what do you mean?
[11:10:43] <@Korli> nielx goes to addr_t
[11:11:21] <geist> that's what I use a lot too yes
[11:11:24] <geist> it's an unsigned long
[11:11:48] <geist> but only in the vm and areas where you want to store pointers but as their value
[11:11:56] <@Korli> it's a arch dependent type
[11:11:58] <geist> well, I could see usb having it
[11:12:08] <geist> no it isn't. that's the point
[11:12:21] <geist> addr_t is guaranteed to be able to hold a pointer
[11:12:36] <@Korli> i>	i mean it is declared in a arch dependent header
[11:12:41] <geist> oh right
[11:12:52] <geist> though for all practical purposes, it's unsigned long
[11:13:22] <geist> the only compiler I know of that doesn't promote long to 64-bit on a 64-bit architecture is visual studio
[11:13:28] <geist> for whatever reason they didn't do that
[11:14:24] <geist> now one thing I didn't get into too much in the vm is a different address type for physical vs virtual addresses
[11:14:33] <geist> which I realize now would have probably been a better idea
[11:14:47] <geist> since on an x86 you can reference up to 36 bits of physical address space
[11:14:57] <geist> technically speaking you might have a >32bit physical address
[11:15:20] <@Korli> exactly
[11:16:00] <geist> I basically solve it in the vm by using page numbers for most things like that
[11:16:06] <geist> which is the address >> 12 bits
[11:16:15] <geist> which gets me 44 bits of physical addressing
[11:16:27] <@Korli> nice
[11:16:42] <@Korli> takes more space maybe
[11:16:55] <geist> well actually it doesn't. that's the problem I wanted to solve
[11:17:06] <geist> since you can use a 32-bit number to store 44 bits of address
[11:17:27] <geist> provided the address is page aligned
[11:17:43] <@Korli> yeah typically in VM
[11:19:25] <JBurton> re
[11:19:58] * geist goes to sleep
[11:20:46] <@Korli> geist good night
[11:21:00] * matricks throws some sans on geist eyes
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[11:21:04] <@Korli> geist maybe VM dreams
[11:21:05] <matricks> /sans/sand/
[11:23:54] <JBurton> Korli I have a qestion for you
[11:25:07] <JBurton> Korli ?
[11:25:33] <@Korli> yeah
[11:26:01] <JBurton> I see you are adding the -fmultiple-symbol-space flag to most pref apps
[11:26:06] <JBurton> why is it needed ?
[11:26:21] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c:
[11:26:21] <CIA-8> updated DMA acc to use the full DMA buffersize instead of just one quarter.
[11:26:21] <CIA-8> Also improved forced freespace limit setting in this buffer, now finally completely preventing engine crashes it seems.
[11:26:21] <CIA-8> Engine speed went up again due to larger DMA buffer.
[11:26:35] <JBurton> while (true) rudolf->Code();
[11:27:05] <@Korli> JBurton building these apps with gcc 20041202 produces crashing apps without this flag
[11:27:21] <JBurton> oh
[11:27:22] <JBurton> weird
[11:27:24] <@Korli> maybe this should be moved to jamrules
[11:27:27] <JBurton> do you know why ?
[11:28:04] <@Korli> because we link against old be libs
[11:28:22] <JBurton> ahhhh ok
[11:28:24] <JBurton> makes sense
[11:28:39] <JBurton> thanks for the explanation
[11:28:48] <JBurton> any progress on the input method thing ?
[11:29:20] <@Korli> no
[11:29:28] <@Korli> weird btextview
[11:30:15] <JBurton> why ?
[11:33:40] <JBurton> why weird, I mean ?
[11:35:05] <@Korli> posting input method events to a BTextView isn't working nice
[11:35:20] <@Korli> although using StyledEdit itself is working nice
[11:35:43] <@Korli> i>	i must miss something
[11:37:31] <JBurton> Korli input method events are always sent as B_INPUT_METHOD_EVENT, right ?
[11:38:03] <JBurton> with the opcode stored as an int32
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[11:38:21] <nielx> hola
[11:38:36] <@Korli> JBurton yeah
[11:38:40] <@Korli> hey nielx
[11:39:02] <nielx> hey Korli
[11:39:03] <JBurton> hi nielx
[11:39:11] <@Korli> i>	i tried to link our BTextView with input_server
[11:39:18] <JBurton> and ?
[11:39:24] <@Korli> same
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[11:39:41] <@Korli> i>	i should add some debug trace in BTextView to know more
[11:39:43] <JBurton> the bottom line window is part of the input server ?
[11:41:05] <JBurton> BTextView, when it receives a B_INPUT_METHOD_STARTED message, gets the BMessenger stored in it and caches it. Could this cause problems if the window is part of the input server itself ?
[11:41:09] <@Korli> JBurton yeah
[11:41:34] <@Korli> i>	i don't know, it's different BLooper anyway
[11:50:41] <JBurton> hmm right
[11:51:16] <Dr3w> alexd is working on a PowerPC port.
[11:51:32] <Dr3w> He has just got an iBook.
[11:53:14] <Dr3w> he says he is only targetting NewWorld Mac hardrware at the start
[11:55:59] <JBurton> you mean axeld, Dr3w :P
[11:57:31] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/ (GetAccelerantHook.c engine/nv_acc_dma.c): added invert_rect DMA acc function. Tested in all colorspaces on NV11 (OK).
[11:57:39] <@mmu_man> hmm crap
[11:57:53] <@mmu_man> mails on samba-technical don't get [samba-technical] in subj
[11:57:59] <@mmu_man> wtf
[11:58:13] <@mmu_man> will have to hack MDR to add the META:list-id attribute and index it :^]
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[12:05:52] <Methe> tu da du da da
[12:07:32] <nielx> Methe: where you just passing by my house? I heard that exact sound
[12:08:32] <Methe> yes I was
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[12:09:07] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi
[12:09:17] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi JBurton
[12:09:38] <Methe> hola ahwayakchih
[12:09:44] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi Methe
[12:09:46] <Methe> Hola JBurton
[12:09:51] <Methe> Hello mahlzeit
[12:09:53] <Methe> kikooo mmu_man
[12:09:59] <@mmu_man> plop
[12:10:22] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi mmu_man
[12:11:44] <JBurton> hey ahwayakchih
[12:12:05] <ahwayakchih> was fyysik here today?
[12:12:29] <ahwayakchih> (too bad he unregistered himself... i can't leave him message)
[12:12:49] <ahwayakchih> JBurton any info about SDL problem? :)
[12:24:04] <JBurton> no, ahwayakchih
[12:24:18] <JBurton> I couldn't find the time/will to turn on the pc
[12:24:30] <ahwayakchih> JBurton heh, ok
[12:25:14] <JBurton> it's bad when you work with pc 8 hours a day
[12:25:23] <JBurton> since you lose the enthusiasm
[12:25:34] <@mahlzeit> there is a solution to that!
[12:25:46] <@mahlzeit> do all the fun stuff _before_ you go to worok
[12:25:48] <@mahlzeit> *work
[12:26:23] <JBurton> mahlzeit er, how could I do that? :P
[12:26:29] <JBurton> I work from 8 in the morning
[12:26:33] <JBurton> I woke up at 7
[12:26:36] <@mahlzeit> so you wake up earlier
[12:26:42] <JBurton> heh
[12:26:48] <JBurton> not so fun mahlzeit :P
[12:26:59] <JBurton> especially when it's cold
[12:27:01] <agentmumu> anyone interested in seeing me running in boxershorts through the snow?
[12:27:02] <agentmumu> hehe
[12:27:11] <JBurton> don't think so agentmumu :P
[12:27:25] <ahwayakchih> JBurton You can go to sleep much earlier, so it won't be so bad to get up earlier :)
[12:27:31] <agentmumu> JBurton: ok, hehe
[12:27:54] <JBurton> ahwayakchih nah, waking up early is ALWAYS bad, even if you go to sleep early
[12:27:58] <JBurton> :=)
[12:28:03] <nielx> agentmumu: There's almost no snow here, but else i would have joined you
[12:28:13] <ahwayakchih> JBurton heh
[12:28:13] <@mahlzeit> it>	it just snowed here
[12:28:25] <nielx> Amsterdam is pretty snow-free
[12:28:29] <agentmumu> nielx: great, next time :)
[12:29:54] <ahwayakchih> anyone from UK or Ireland here?
[12:30:58] <ahwayakchih> http://archive.gamespy.com/comics/nodwick/ffn/ffn.htm heh
[12:32:15] <ahwayakchih> really there's no english and irish users of BeOS?
[12:32:23] <ahwayakchih> or are they hiding? ;]
[12:32:30] <@mahlzeit> isn't Dr3w from the uk?
[12:32:41] <ahwayakchih> mahlzeit i don't know
[12:33:06] <JBurton> bbl lunch
[12:33:06] <@Korli> lunch
[12:33:10] <JBurton> ahwayakchih see ya later :P
[12:33:14] <ahwayakchih> cya JBurton
[12:33:18] <ahwayakchih> have a good lunch
[12:33:21] <@mahlzeit> and MYOB and MikeW are irish
[12:33:42] <ahwayakchih> mahlzeit THX
[12:33:56] <@mahlzeit> it>	i think Tenzin lives in the uk too
[12:34:41] <ahwayakchih> THX i'll try to catch at least one of them :)
[12:35:00] <ahwayakchih> ih>	i rarely see them here
[12:35:14] <ahwayakchih> (well.. i'm rarely here ;)
[12:36:54] <@mahlzeit> that could explain it ;-)
[12:37:46] <ahwayakchih> hehe
[12:43:47] <Dr3w> yup I am from the UK!
[12:48:08] <ahwayakchih> :)
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[13:33:41] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi fyysik
[13:35:06] <TuneTracker> ahwayakchih!
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[13:39:18] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi TuneTracker
[13:39:19] <ahwayakchih> :)
[13:41:26] <ahwayakchih> sorry i was AFK
[13:45:03] <JBurton> re
[13:45:53] <ahwayakchih> re
[13:51:10] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/ (Overlay.c SetDisplayMode.c engine/nv_acc_dma.c): modified overlay to stay outside DMA buffer if it exists.
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[14:03:48] <sys2> why the hell isnt the developer login valid as a user login? :/
[14:06:04] <@mmu_man> bebits ?
[14:06:12] <@mmu_man> cause it's 2 different databases I think :)
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[14:06:33] <@mmu_man> and for security
[14:06:53] <@mmu_man> like you do'nt use root to do your daily stuff except in beos :)
[14:12:15] <sys2> pkg-config for beos?
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[14:13:42] <@mmu_man> I have a opert somewhere
[14:13:50] <@mmu_man> port
[14:14:04] <@mmu_man> pkgconfig-0.15.0
[14:14:13] <sys2> can you send me? :>
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[14:14:30] <@mmu_man> oh, was it that simle ?
[14:14:33] <@mmu_man> simple
[14:14:43] <@mmu_man> +#ifndef __BEOS__
[14:14:44] <@mmu_man> extern char *strsignal (int sig);
[14:14:44] <@mmu_man> +#endif
[14:14:51] <@mmu_man> in pkgconfig-0.15.0/glib-1.2.8/gstrfuncs.c
[14:14:57] <sys2> if you have it compiled ... couldnt you just send me it? :P
[14:15:06] <@mmu_man> (we have it defined as const char * I think
[14:15:44] <@mmu_man> hmm what are the bins ? only pkgconfig ?
[14:15:58] <@Korli> JBurton our StyledEdit is supposed to work out of the box ?
[14:16:05] <sys2> il just compile it then :P
[14:17:43] <@mmu_man> ah pkg.m4 also
[14:18:23] <sys2> checking for __pthread_attr_init_system in -lpthread... no
[14:18:24] <sys2> configure: error: I can't find the libraries for the thread implementation
[14:18:25] <JBurton> Korli apparently
[14:18:26] <sys2> blablabla
[14:18:35] <JBurton> Korli it needs our libtextencodings.so, though
[14:18:56] <@mmu_man> hmm maybe it needs glib or something
[14:18:57] <sys2> thank you :>
[14:21:49] <@Korli> JBurton missing symbol : BPrintJob::Settings
[14:22:26] <JBurton> oh
[14:22:27] <JBurton> weird
[14:22:35] <JBurton> on>	on what ? dano ?
[14:22:40] <@Korli> R5
[14:22:58] <JBurton> did you download Axel's package ?
[14:23:06] <ahwayakchih> brb
[14:23:11] <JBurton> or compiled it from source ?
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[14:39:05] * sys2 is desperatly trying to get mono configured :P
[14:39:53] <@mmu_man> what's broken ?
[14:40:26] <sys2> glib and pkgconfig so far ... but fixed those :>
[14:40:37] <sys2> creating makefiles :P
[14:40:38] <sys2> yay
[14:41:15] <@mmu_man> :)
[14:41:26] <@mmu_man> oh, do you have a diff handy for glib ?
[14:41:49] <@mmu_man> started porting irssi, but it wants glib so I stopped
[14:41:53] <sys2> it was not glib that was broken :P
[14:42:02] <sys2> the package i downloaded from beshare was :>
[14:42:11] <@mmu_man> I know there is a port somewhere, just recall wheredon't
[14:42:16] <@mmu_man> maybe I even have it on the hdd
[14:42:20] * sys2 tries to compile :>
[14:42:32] <sys2> glib-2.0.4 or something :>
[14:43:40] * sys2 hopes mono works ... if so people have a choice :>
[14:43:46] <sys2> without choices . .what are we then? :>
[14:43:52] <sys2> noooo
[14:44:29] * sys2 has to reconfigure :/
[14:44:39] <@mmu_man> eat that :)
[14:44:40] <sys2> forgot about the stupid include/lib paths :P
[14:45:12] <sys2> and mono seems to have come alot further then pnet :>
[14:45:37] <sys2> mmu_man you little spy
[14:45:47] <sys2> here you do haiku and on beshare you do zeta ... BUSTED! :P
[14:46:05] * mmu_man is omnipotent
[14:46:07] <@mahlzeit> hardly a secret... :-)
[14:46:10] <sys2> ohh .. you maybe always have been a zeta guy ? :P
[14:46:10] <@mmu_man> maybe too much
[14:46:24] <@mahlzeit> better omnipotent than impotent
[14:46:48] <@mahlzeit> (but that speaks for itself)
[14:48:55] <@Korli> :p
[14:49:51] <sys2> dodo
[14:49:54] <sys2> hate configuring
[14:50:03] <sys2> takes so damn much time before i know if my changes have done anything :>
[14:50:18] <@mmu_man> hmm that patch is a bit stupid...
[14:50:35] <@mmu_man> adds an arg on many funcs to pass something in a struct already passed
[14:54:24] <sys2> and a typo forces me to reconfigure once again
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[14:59:05] <sys2> and again due to strange placing of include files :P
[14:59:18] <sys2> in /boot/home/config/lib/glib-2.0/include ... like wtf :P
[14:59:21] <@mahlzeit> at least you're having fun :-)
[14:59:35] <sys2> not realy .. its getting booring to watch this stupid configure script :P
[15:00:14] <sys2> and im sure il have to reconfigure later to add -lbind etc :P
[15:02:59] <sys2> and again............
[15:03:11] <sys2> thats like 5 diferent include paths ive had to add now :P
[15:03:22] <sys2> and one of them is directed straight into portable.net .. i wounder how that will go ;P
[15:03:42] <sys2> i hope mono and pnet loves eachother very much ;>
[15:06:16] <sys2> and now all of the suden i cant bloddy configure it :/
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[15:10:48] <ahwayakchih> re
[15:11:03] <sys2> ive managed to reconfigure like 6 times .. and then all of the sudden it thinks it wants a timezone variable? ... out of the blue i cant configure anymore
[15:11:09] <sys2> wtf is up with that :/
[15:11:32] <@mmu_man> sys2 AC_SEARCH_LIBS(gethostname,bind) or something
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[15:11:59] <sys2> its not that that is broken
[15:12:19] <sys2> its that i could configure 6 times, then the 7th time it decided that my wchar etc files is not good enough, no timezone variable etc etc etc etc etc
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[15:12:35] <sys2> without ar eason the 7th time i cant reconfigure the 6 times before that it worked just fine
[15:12:59] <@mahlzeit> what has changed?
[15:13:06] <sys2> nothing
[15:13:10] <sys2> i just reconfigured
[15:13:11] <@mahlzeit> impossible
[15:13:14] <sys2> and it started doing things like that
[15:13:39] <@mahlzeit> maybe you need to throw away any files it generated
[15:13:42] <ahwayakchih> JBurton are You sure You wanted to compile 1.2.8 and not CVS? :)
[15:13:46] <ahwayakchih> JBurton http://twomix.devolution.com/pipermail/sdl/2005-January/067079.html
[15:13:54] <sys2> ive deleted the tree and re-extracted the source
[15:15:04] <JBurton> cvs is impossible to compile for me
[15:15:06] <JBurton> no configure :P
[15:15:20] <sys2> ./autogen.sh
[15:15:22] <sys2> wait wait wait
[15:15:24] <sys2> ./configure
[15:15:48] <ahwayakchih> JBurton but maybe You have downloaded some snapshot or something...
[15:16:07] <@Korli> and people say developer machines have to be powerful for java dev ...
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[15:16:36] <ahwayakchih> JBurton nah, it's in 1.2.8 release too
[15:16:54] <JBurton> eheheh
[15:16:55] <ahwayakchih> JBurton still i have no idea why it compiles here fine and not on Your comp ;]
[15:16:57] <sys2> Korli, i think its the other way around
[15:17:03] <sys2> machines need to be powerfull to run java :P
[15:17:10] <@mahlzeit> Korli: they do if you use eclipse :-)
[15:17:25] <JBurton> this is what I downloaded: http://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-1.2.8.tar.gz
[15:18:30] <ahwayakchih> JBurton me too :)
[15:18:54] <ahwayakchih> JBurton maybe i have some tweaked 2.95.3 here ;]
[15:19:30] <JBurton> ahwayakchih nah, that's weird
[15:20:16] <ahwayakchih> JBurton something completly different now: are You still working on menus? :)
[15:20:49] <ahwayakchih> JBurton because i have another request ;]
[15:21:19] <JBurton> shoot
[15:22:23] <ahwayakchih> JBurton when menu popups with some submenus available, and there's no place for submenu on right side of menu, it shows submenu over menu
[15:22:37] <ahwayakchih> JBurton it would be better if it showed submenu on left side
[15:22:54] <sys2> wtf
[15:23:08] <sys2> as soon as i include the path to some needed header files i get these strange errors
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[15:23:57] <ahwayakchih> JBurton and more: it always tries right side. ie. even if i make it move submenu popup on left side, next submenu (menu->sub1->sub2) will go to the right side again!
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[15:24:26] <ahwayakchih> JBurton what i'm trying to say is it would be better if it knew that ther is already menu on right side, and go to the left
[15:24:50] <ahwayakchih> JBurton and start showing submenus on right side only after it hits left side of the screen
[15:25:48] <ahwayakchih> JBurton that way "parent" menus will be still available for user, instead of being hidded under submenus, so user has to close whole popup and start again
[15:25:54] <ahwayakchih> JBurton :)
[15:26:06] <ahwayakchih> hidded=hidden
[15:26:23] <lymon> like ball in bricks game. menu should jump off walls
[15:26:25] <JBurton> ahwayakchih finished ? :P
[15:26:35] <ahwayakchih> lymon heh, yeah something like that :)
[15:26:38] <ahwayakchih> JBurton yep
[15:27:00] <ahwayakchih> JBurton sorry for long writing :) i hope You understand what i tried to explain with my poor english
[15:27:03] <ahwayakchih> :)
[15:27:13] <JBurton> ok, listen to this: I'm struggling with that damned tracking functions, I don't even know if/when I'll finish this stuff and you're already asking for mega features ?!?!?!?!?!?!? 0__________0
[15:27:16] <JBurton> :)))
[15:27:29] <ahwayakchih> JBurton LOL
[15:28:39] <ahwayakchih> JBurton look at this that way: i believe You'll make it so i ask for fixes to current thing :) If i didn't believe You'll ever make it, i wouldn't ask :)
[15:28:57] <JBurton> eheh
[15:29:08] <JBurton> okay nice trick
[15:29:09] <JBurton> :)
[15:30:02] <ahwayakchih> :)
[15:30:07] <ahwayakchih> dinner, brb
[15:31:19] <JBurton> ok
[15:31:20] <JBurton> :)
[15:33:07] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/ (Overlay.c engine/nv_acc_dma.c): fixed overlay bitmap DMA adress, fixed overlay in 15 bit mode (NV11). nVidia hardware is broken here :-/. Anyway, it works now.
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[15:38:47] <stargater> hi
[15:41:04] <@Korli> JBurton which Font should i use with BTextView for bottomline window ?
[15:42:01] <JBurton> haru
[15:42:07] <JBurton> or any other japanese font
[15:42:17] <JBurton> I usually use haru
[15:43:44] <@Korli> i>	i mean  does the bottom line window use the same font everytime ?
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[15:45:31] <sys2> mono has to much strange deps
[15:46:04] <JBurton> hmmmm
[15:46:08] <JBurton> good question
[15:46:21] <JBurton> I only tried with the japanese input method
[15:46:24] <JBurton> it used always the same font
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[15:52:57] <ahwayakchih> re
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[16:12:36] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c:
[16:12:37] <CIA-8> Arrrgghh! I was still using NV3_GDI_RECTANGLE_TEXT instead of NV4_GDI_RECTANGLE_TEXT on pre-NV40 (NV11 tested). Fixed now.
[16:12:37] <CIA-8> Anyway: Now we know the reason the switch must be made: the old command, while being approx. of the same speed as the new one, has a hardware fault and has also therefore been removed in NV40 and later hardware.
[16:12:37] <CIA-8> The fault is the input->output colorspace conversion which doesn't work while being used with DMA acc. Glad I could loose that nasty workaround now!!
[16:19:15] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/ (DriverInterface.h nv_acc.h): updated 'docs' with the new NVx_GDI_RECT cmd's findings :-)
[16:28:11] <ahwayakchih> cya everyone
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[16:36:44] <@Korli> JBurton my problem is : i create the window and the textview
[16:37:01] <@Korli> then i post the first input method event to the textview
[16:37:43] <@Korli> the first event doesn't get to the view
[16:37:54] <@Korli> as if it was left out
[16:38:40] <JBurton> hmm
[16:40:08] <JBurton> this is tested ? I mean, you are sure that the message doesn't get there ?
[16:40:14] <@Korli> second message does get to the view
[16:40:15] <JBurton> or you simply can't see any visual clue
[16:40:59] <@Korli> but as it missed the START event, it quits at the beginning of HandleInputMethodEvent
[16:41:11] <@Korli> should i wait a bit ?
[16:41:22] <JBurton> yeah, maybe
[16:41:24] <@Korli> btw i changed to plain font and it's ok
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[16:41:44] <JBurton> Korli hm okay but you can't show ideograms that way
[16:41:48] <JBurton> (with plain font)
[16:41:51] <@Korli> because when restarting the method, it works
[16:42:06] <@Korli> i>	i set haru to plain font
[16:42:12] <@Korli> with Font prefs
[16:42:15] <JBurton> ah ok I see
[16:42:28] <JBurton> yes
[16:42:31] <JBurton> this way it's correct
[16:42:43] <JBurton> sorry I had forgot how to do it
[16:42:45] <JBurton> it's been a while
[16:53:24] <@Korli> ok bye
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[16:58:27] <JBurton> you are leaving Korli ?
[16:59:21] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c: needed to bump the DMA command buffer forced freespace up to 256 words: NV4_GDI_RECT needs a higher setting than the old version. Hopefully engine crashes are now past tense...
[16:59:40] <@Korli> yeah
[16:59:51] <JBurton> ah ok
[16:59:55] <JBurton> bye then :=)
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[20:24:56] <@Dr_Evil> I don't get this, osnews really published about niels work on the USB stack
[20:25:04] <pres589> and?
[20:25:12] <pres589> might have been a slow news day
[20:25:20] <@Dr_Evil> that stack is in a pretty early state
[20:25:44] <pres589> the staff there (for lack of a better term) seems to have an eternal hard-on for BeOS and related subjects
[20:26:11] <pres589> I think it's cool there's a USB stack in any form for Haiku at this point, but, that's about as far as my interest goes ;)
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[20:29:25] <dipp> geist, hmm weren't you planing on coding an usb-stack for Haiku? (You had some _really_ cool gear for it anyways 8) )
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[20:30:26] <tic> dipp, think it was for newos... But as they're pretty similar, you could probably use it pretty much directly under haiku.
[20:32:16] <dipp> tic, ah, that might be it..
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[21:12:16] <@geist> yeah
[21:12:31] <@geist> well, I had written part of a usb stack a long time ago for newos but for whatever reason haiku decided not to use it
[21:12:39] <@geist> same thing with my basically functional network stack
[21:14:38] <@Dr_Evil> don't be sad, at least the USB story isn't finished, and might even be restarted
[21:15:15] <@Dr_Evil> while the thing niels wrote isn't bad, there isn't much of an USB stack in that code
[21:15:33] <@geist> usb stacks are really really tough
[21:15:41] <@geist> I dont think I'm qualified to do it myself
[21:16:05] <@geist> there are a bunch of gnarly iovec, dma buffer, vm issues to worry about when doing transfers
[21:16:15] <@geist> and isochronous stuff is pretty complicated
[21:18:45] <AnEvilYak> what makes it more complicated to deal with usb data transfers vs other busses?
[21:19:26] <@geist> what other busses are you thinking about?
[21:19:41] <tic> ugh. scp gives me half the file and junk on stdout. :/
[21:19:46] <AnEvilYak> well, say, firewire or PCI or whatever.
[21:19:54] <@geist> firewire is a total bitch
[21:19:59] <AnEvilYak> maybe SCSI would be a better example than PCI
[21:20:01] <@geist> pci just does it's stuff
[21:20:38] <AnEvilYak> so firewire's as much of a pain as usb?
[21:26:00] <@geist> yeah I think so
[21:27:14] <AnEvilYak> ah
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