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[00:00:18] <CIA-10> beveloper * current/src/add-ons/screen_savers/haiku/ScreenSaver.cpp: Made some coding style changes, no code changes.
[00:01:16] <CIA-10> mmu_man * current/src/apps/bin/trash.cpp: add --restore option (acts as untrash)
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[00:11:26] <NathanW> haha
[00:11:32] <NathanW> I haven't written it yet
[00:11:55] <NathanW> But I have an Epson, so I was thinking about it
[00:12:08] <NathanW> I managed to find the ESC/P2 specification
[00:12:15] <fyysik> ik>	i have it too
[00:12:45] <NathanW> And it doesn't look bad, on that end anyway
[00:12:53] <NathanW> And writing print driverse doesn't seem so bad either
[00:12:59] <fyysik> ik>	i even wrote driver for esc P 15 15 years ago - for RSX-11 OS:)
[00:13:09] <NathanW> hahaha
[00:15:28] <NathanW> now you just need to dig it up :)
[00:15:34] <fyysik> ehh
[00:15:49] <NathanW> Do you actually have an ESC P dot matrix printer
[00:15:52] <NathanW> ?
[00:15:58] <fyysik> i'm almost satisfied - two big deal in 2days
[00:16:12] <fyysik> yup, i do
[00:16:24] <NathanW> wow, cool
[00:16:39] <NathanW> mmm -- tqh's new firefox build is nice
[00:16:52] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/headers/private/app/ServerProtocol.h: Another 2 constants
[00:17:21] <fyysik> NathanW - big basic patch for mozilla/FF and emuxki driver...
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[00:17:45] <NathanW> nice
[00:17:52] <NathanW> what did you do to the emuxki driver?
[00:19:17] <fyysik> NathanW - there was occasional but permanent crash at all my PIII systems at startup, with SB Live 5.1!
[00:19:21] <fyysik> found the reason
[00:19:38] <fyysik> so now can continue work on VLC surround sound
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[00:20:13] <NathanW> ah, ok
[00:20:14] <NathanW> nice
[00:26:08] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/ (Layer.cpp Layer.h RootLayer.cpp RootLayer.h WinBorder.cpp): Oups. Layer::MoveBy/ResizeBy() escaped me. :-) The actions they used to perform are now executed only by RootLayer's thread.
[00:26:28] <NathanW> It looks like neat things are happening with the app_server
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[00:30:01] <fyysik> AGG, darkwyrm, stippi, adi...
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[00:55:53] <[Beta]> alcohol doesnt suit me
[00:55:55] <[Beta]> nn
[00:56:23] <fyysik> really?
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[00:56:59] <fyysik> ik>	i don't drink at all, but today it helped me to fix long-standing bug:)
[00:57:45] <[Beta]> I drink because its a staff party
[00:57:56] <[Beta]> and I.. dont mind making fool of oneeself
[00:59:10] * fyysik hate corporate parties
[00:59:27] <@mmu_man> hmm utimes() in header but not in libroot
[01:00:48] * fyysik worked for russian company, though, not in Russia, and since that hates drinking in general
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[01:09:15] <[Beta]> it was a christmas "thankyou" party
[01:09:27] <[Beta]> omg, i'm not going to be able to live it down
[01:09:47] <[Beta]> i'm an.. arse-friendly drunkward. thats not a good thing
[01:10:23] <fyysik> arse-friendly or girl-friendly?
[01:10:23] <@Dr_Evil> then take a sleep
[01:10:57] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - did you notice my message about emuxki fixing:)?
[01:11:12] <@mmu_man> zzz
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[01:11:21] <[Beta]> Marcus - i'm gonna try.. just spewed up the drink :(
[01:11:29] <[Beta]> nn mmu
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[01:37:50] <mphipps> hey all
[01:39:24] <mphipps> never before have so many said so little. :-)
[01:39:43] <fyysik> mphipps - yeah, good trend of last weeks
[01:39:52] <fyysik> even more peopla than at beshare
[01:40:07] <fyysik> but all silent:)
[01:40:18] <mphipps> do you happen to remember who did the midi softsynth for BeOS?
[01:40:20] <fyysik> what means - working:)
[01:40:36] <fyysik> BEA ?
[01:40:47] <fyysik> can look in archives
[01:41:31] <mphipps> which archives? The BeDevTalk ones?
[01:41:34] <fyysik> BAR
[01:41:43] <fyysik> BAE
[01:41:56] <mphipps> ?
[01:41:59] <fyysik> moment
[01:42:24] <fyysik> ik>	i just investigated that problem week ago
[01:42:38] <fyysik> maybe it is even in mozilla history
[01:43:07] <fyysik> technology was licensed from Beatnik
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[01:43:44] <fyysik> if you mean that synth's included in Be distros
[01:43:55] <fyysik> same technology is used in Java Midi
[01:44:01] <mphipps> Really?
[01:44:04] <fyysik> yup
[01:44:15] <mphipps> Yeah - I thought that maybe they could be convinced to release the code...
[01:44:21] <fyysik> so if you get Java midy synth files, you can use it under BeOS
[01:44:59] <Methe> mphipps! hi !
[01:45:12] <mphipps> Hi methe!
[01:47:54] <fyysik> mphipps - where do you live in US? which city?
[01:48:01] <mphipps> rochester ny
[01:48:09] <mphipps> about 4 hours from NYC
[01:48:26] <fyysik> will visit NYC from march till end of april
[01:48:36] <mphipps> I read that. :-D
[01:48:45] <fyysik> so wondering if next WalterCon is planned
[01:48:58] <mphipps> sort of, but it won't be that early.
[01:49:09] <fyysik> as i miss BeGeistert :)
[01:49:35] <mphipps> probably around the beginning of August.
[01:49:39] <fyysik> ahh
[01:51:44] <mphipps> Probably in Los Vegas, but that is not definite.
[01:52:52] <fyysik> cheapest place in US?:)
[01:53:07] <mphipps> Pretty close, I think.
[01:53:26] <mphipps> Every airport has a pretty direct connection.
[01:56:30] * fyysik wish to try AmTrack
[01:57:11] <@Dr_Evil> hi mphipps
[01:57:20] <@Dr_Evil> did you meet Bernd?
[01:57:59] <mphipps> dr_evil - that would be this coming weekend.
[01:58:19] <@Dr_Evil> didnt know he ws in usa that long
[01:58:37] <mphipps> AFAIK, we won't be here until this coming Wed.
[01:59:51] <frankps> night all
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[02:15:03] <CIA-10> beveloper * current/src/prefs/media/Jamfile:
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[02:15:03] <CIA-10> It's no longer needed to link Media preferences against
[02:15:03] <CIA-10> the Haiku libmedia.so, the R5 and Zeta libmedia.so is
[02:15:03] <CIA-10> good enough. No private Haiku functions are used.
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[03:43:28] <agentmumu> wow, bochs is so much slower than qemu
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[04:10:53] <mmadia> hi jonaskirilla
[04:11:04] <jonaskirilla> hi mmadia
[04:11:59] <jonaskirilla> just popping in to see if Ingo was around.. his email bounces
[04:12:20] <jonaskirilla> perhaps he'll be back tomorrow
[04:14:03] <jonaskirilla> nite
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[10:56:16] <[Beta]> morning.
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[13:28:46] <CIA-10> laplace * current/src/add-ons/print/drivers/shared/libprint/JobData.cpp: Set default values for printable/paper/physical rect.
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[14:10:05] <fyysik> hi, tqh, dr_evil
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[14:40:02] <CIA-10> darkwyrm * current/headers/private/servers/app/ServerFont.h: Added GetFamilyAndStyle
[14:40:36] <CIA-10> darkwyrm * current/src/servers/app/server/ServerFont.cpp: Added GetFamilyAndStyle
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[14:55:34] <tqh> hi
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[15:36:37] <CIA-10> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c:
[15:36:37] <CIA-10> added timeout and abort for DMA idle waits. This keeps the system responsive if
[15:36:37] <CIA-10> the DMA engine fails, which is way better than a complete hang. Adding this
[15:36:37] <CIA-10> because it's not impossible to create a situation that stalls DMA: for instance
[15:36:37] <CIA-10> if a video app writes (way) outside it's allocated overlay buffers.
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[15:49:12] <matricks> hey.. an undate on the webpage
[15:49:31] * MikeW kicks unizone
[15:49:36] <MikeW> piece of junk eating 100% of my cpu
[15:49:50] <MikeW> or mabye that should be QT piece of junk eating 100% of my cpu?
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[16:39:27] <CIA-10> darkwyrm * current/src/servers/app/server/ (RootLayer.cpp ServerWindow.cpp ViewDriver.cpp):
[16:39:27] <CIA-10> messaging fixes to RootLayer and ViewDriver
[16:39:27] <CIA-10> minor tweaks to ServerWindow
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[16:47:06] <CIA-10> mwilber * current/src/kits/interface/Button.cpp: Fixed focus line drawing to draw the white underline and to not draw the focus line if the window containing the button is not active.
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[18:18:23] <CIA-8> mwilber * current/src/kits/interface/Button.cpp: Removed duplicate code in drawing functions, fixed drawing of text when button is default, fixed drawing of text when button is disabled.
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[19:23:11] <CIA-8> darkwyrm * current/src/servers/app/server/ (6 files):
[19:23:12] <CIA-8> Cleaned up driver init section of Desktop -- worry about multiple drivers only with AccelerantDriver
[19:23:12] <CIA-8> RootLayer: debug output fixes and removed a compiler complaint
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[19:26:59] <tic> go darkwyrm!
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[20:00:17] <CIA-8> darkwyrm * current/src/servers/app/server/DirectDriver.cpp: (log message trimmed)
[20:00:17] <CIA-8> Since last checkin version had no description:
[20:00:17] <CIA-8> Huge amounts more debug output available
[20:00:17] <CIA-8> Resolved several timing issues
[20:00:17] <CIA-8> Fixed a major problem with sending mouse messages to the server when emulating the input server
[20:00:17] <CIA-8> There are still stability issues with initial startup
[20:00:19] <CIA-8> Still some drawing problems
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[20:21:38] <fyysik> seen frankputers
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[20:44:20] <lymon> hello
[20:45:37] <jepel_tailweaver> hey
[20:47:21] <jepel_tailweaver> is it just me or does no one talk here?
[20:48:09] <fyysik> we are bots
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[20:48:38] <jepel_tailweaver> fyysik: all of 50 people can't be bots, can they?
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[20:50:15] <tqh> beep beep
[20:51:12] <ShackaN> hi geist
[20:51:29] <jepel_tailweaver> people are talking! amazing
[20:51:50] <ShackaN> geist, do you know any books about os design ? ( apart from the tanenbaum )
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[20:54:42] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/ (6 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[20:54:42] <CIA-8> Added a service that will be responsible for sending messages from kernel
[20:54:42] <CIA-8> to userland applications. A userland server (probably the registrar) will
[20:54:42] <CIA-8> register as the server responsible for delivering the messages. The
[20:54:42] <CIA-8> messages are passed to it via shared memory.
[20:54:43] <CIA-8> The advantage over sending the messages directly will be, that they won't
[20:54:45] <CIA-8> need to be dropped, if the receiver port is temporarily full.
[20:55:07] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/kernel/Jamfile: Added the messaging service.
[20:56:40] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/kernel/core/util/ (Jamfile kernel_cpp.cpp): Prevent a linker error. It complains about multiple definitions of nothrow.
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[21:32:31] <tic> tja hallin
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[21:32:51] <tic> Oh, someone's being l33t... ;)
[21:33:32] <ShackaN> what?
[21:33:42] <tic> ctcp version hallin..
[21:33:45] <geist> I'm 133t
[21:33:51] <geist> I'm always 133t
[21:33:51] <tic> yeah, you're l33t too, geist.
[21:33:54] <geist> dont forget it
[21:33:58] <ShackaN> geist! of course you are!
[21:34:01] * tic pets geist
[21:34:09] * geist purrs
[21:34:12] <ShackaN> lol
[21:34:14] <ShackaN> geist, do you know any books about os design ? ( apart from the tanenbaum )
[21:34:38] <geist> yeah, lets see
[21:34:42] <geist> I have one by stallings
[21:34:51] <geist> an 23 20:34:51 <geist>	a bit more generic than the tanenbaum one
[21:35:02] <geist> and I have a ton that cover a particular os
[21:35:03] <hallin> hej tic
[21:35:15] <geist> ie, the inside win2k book, the solaris kernel internals book, the new linux internals book
[21:35:17] <ShackaN> uhm, ok
[21:35:33] <ShackaN> I got the inside w2k already, it's awesome
[21:35:34] <ShackaN> :)
[21:35:53] <dipp> hallin: ? :)
[21:36:00] <hallin> tic: I might change that message :)
[21:36:05] <geist> the stallings book is called "operating systems: internals and design principles" by william stallings
[21:36:10] <hallin> dipp: ? :D
[21:36:20] 
[21:36:25] <geist> it's not that great, but its worth reading
[21:36:25] 
[21:36:29] <ShackaN> geist, yeah, luckily I could find it on p2p and it's on its way already :)
[21:36:30] <geist> if you can find it at a library or something
[21:36:38] <ShackaN> can't find the others, though... :(
[21:37:08] <geist> for fs stuff I'd recommend reading dbg's bfs book
[21:37:16] <geist> whihc you can get all over the place
[21:37:32] <ShackaN> geist, can't find such books in our libraries.. I might buy them on amazon but they're way expensive
[21:37:36] <geist> it tells you basically how bfs and the beos fs layer works, which is a nice intro to those kinds of things
[21:37:43] <ShackaN> uh niice
[21:38:10] <ShackaN> "all over the place" means it's public ?
[21:38:28] <geist> yeah, it's out of print and I think he had the pdf up on his website. lemme see if I can find it real quick
[21:39:11] <ShackaN> I love google :)
[21:39:13] <ShackaN> http://www.nobius.org/~dbg/practical-file-system-design.pdf
[21:39:20] <ShackaN> is that it ?
[21:39:26] <geist> yeah that one
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[21:40:00] <ShackaN> ok man, thanks
[21:40:46] <ShackaN> I wish next month I'll have some spare time to read something and start this posix microkernel I've so long wanted to write
[21:41:28] <ShackaN> I know I won't get anything useful, but I hope to learn something at least
[21:41:50] <lymon> people, can i build haiku/src/kernel locally ?
[21:42:50] <ShackaN> lymon, yes, (theoretically at least, since compilation always gave me troubles here on linux :)
[21:43:15] <lymon> i know
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[21:44:02] <lymon> my question is how to resolve "don't know how to make ... " on autogenerated files: syscall_dispatcher.h syscall_numbers.h syscalls.S.inc
[21:45:00] <lymon> from the sources root (whole tree) kernel is successfully builds up
[21:45:10] <dr_evil> lymon compile jam from current/src/tools/jam and use that one
[21:45:12] <ShackaN> I wish I knew, but I had to shred my local copy of the haiku cvs since I had no more space space on my hd :( sorry
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[21:47:50] <lymon> dr_evil: great !! it works. but what the diff from ori jam ang custom from tools ?
[21:48:13] <ShackaN> doctor, can I build haiku on my gcc 3.3.5 ?
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[21:49:24] <lymon> shackan, no you need beos customized gnupro, which is the latests 2.95.3
[21:49:50] <lymon> shackan, you can just wait
[21:50:00] <ShackaN> wait for what ?
[21:50:14] <lymon> for new gnupro
[21:50:44] <ShackaN> I'll wait then..
[21:51:50] <lymon> shackan, anyway you will to have two versions of gnupro =)
[21:53:00] <lymon> on>	on linux ...
[21:53:01] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c: added fill_rect and fill_span functions (same). Not yet exported, not yet working either..
[21:53:12] <lymon> or may be you shoul to try BeOS =)
[21:53:50] <lymon> why you are building beos under linux ?
[21:53:54] * fyysik uses two versions of gnupro in BeOS. 2.9 is much faster in compilation, 2.953 - just better
[21:55:35] <tic> -can- you even build beos under linux?
[21:56:06] <lymon> tic: he is trying =)
[21:57:51] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/nv_acc.h: added acc function defines for DMA, for fill_rect.
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[22:02:23] <lymon> people, i have one more question, give me the trick to build /apps/bin/vim =)
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[22:06:31] <DaaT> bork mmu_man
[22:07:05] <@mmu_man> plop
[22:08:46] <hallin> [Beta]: sorry for that message
[22:09:06] <[Beta]> lol
[22:09:36] <[Beta]> no need to apologise - just saw tics message & was interested :)
[22:09:48] <hallin> changed now however
[22:11:04] <[Beta]> Why hide client version ?
[22:13:00] <hallin> well, because people tries to check it all the time
[22:13:16] <hallin> in>	i run irssi, for your knowledge :D
[22:15:38] <[Beta]> not a bad client, though never used it myself.
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[22:19:35] * ShackaN is curious..
[22:22:37] <tic> wonder if the DMA stuff in the nVidia driver works on a NV36 too
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[22:27:46] <dr_evil> fyysik I put updated audio mixer and media preferences on bebits
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[22:31:04] <dipp> hnmm geist is your name Travis?
[22:31:35] <geist> yes
[22:32:07] <dipp> http://galaxy.osnews.com/comment.php?blog_id=165 Eugenia mentioned someone named Travis and the description sounded familiar :)
[22:33:38] <lymon> dipp: look at NewOS.sf.net (Travis kernel) the Haiku is based on
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[22:35:10] <dipp> yeah I figured that afterwards
[22:38:26] <lymon> people is my try to build open-beos/current/src/apps/bin/vim make sense ?
[22:38:50] <fyysik> thanks for info dr_evil. will try it. still waiting for Korli to merge my emuxki fixes with CVS:)
[22:39:51] <fyysik> dr_evil - but still one question remains
[22:40:31] <fyysik> why i can changes output channel for soundcard if accessing haiku media preferences directly, but not from Deskbar volume replicant
[22:41:09] <fyysik> and what was major bug fixed in mixer, is it in readme?
[22:41:55] <dr_evil> don't know, and the major bug was a crash with 8 channel files, it's not in the readme
[22:42:14] <fyysik> yeah, noticed that crash:)
[22:42:53] <fyysik> though, some very early occasional mixer didn't crash when i implemented surround sound in VLC very first time
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[22:47:46] <fyysik> installed, seems no problem yet
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[22:50:05] <dr_evil> fyysik does media preferences report version 0.4 for the mixer?
[22:50:52] <fyysik> yes, it do
[22:51:01] <dr_evil> ok
[22:52:05] <fyysik> wish to get multichannel aac music, to test if SoundPlaye really plays it multichannel with new decoder
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[23:02:52] <fyysik> dr_evil - but maybe you know which app "sends" that volume replicant to deskbar?
[23:05:45] <dr_evil> "desklink"
[23:05:58] <dr_evil> we have a much better replacement in haiku tree, btw
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[23:06:12] <fyysik> will try to complie it
[23:06:51] <dr_evil> "jam desklink" should do
[23:07:04] <dr_evil> you need to replace the system file, and restart Deskbar
[23:07:31] <fyysik> yeah, configuring root first
[23:07:53] <fyysik> usually i just created *proj if needed some haiku component
[23:10:34] <fyysik> ok. seems working
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[23:38:50] <CIA-8> beveloper * current/src/add-ons/media/media-add-ons/mixer/AudioMixer.cpp: Bumped release number for bebits release, a few bugfixes had been done since release 0.2, including the name change from OpenBeOS to Haiku.
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[23:41:44] <CIA-8> mwilber * current/src/kits/interface/Button.cpp: Fixed "HButton" typos
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[23:48:40] <lymon> people can i boot Haiku from my working R5 partition or better create dedicated ?
[23:49:24] <Methe> whether u plug some Haiku parts into your R5
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[23:49:34] <Methe> whether u create a partition to boot from kernel
[23:49:46] <Methe> Haiku kernel
[23:52:22] <lymon> i want to boot from kernel no any parts are interesting
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[23:52:35] <Methe> if u want to boot from kernel
[23:52:42] <Methe> just know that by now it's not really usable
[23:53:01] <Methe> you can do it. But you won't even have graphics stuffs
[23:53:01] <lymon> the dmsg state is usable for me
[23:53:09] <lymon> i know it
[23:53:21] <Methe> ok
[23:53:36] <Methe> But I'm not even sure of it's usability there
[23:53:44] <Methe> anyway, nothing is better than a try
[23:53:45] <Methe> :)
[23:54:00] <lymon> i can write code and see kernel messages, its enough
[23:54:29] <Methe> k
[23:54:32] <Methe> enjoy then
[23:56:19] <agentmumu> lymon: you need a dedicated partition
[23:56:20] <lymon> i'm interesting if it possible to load kernel from existing partition (in real not in bochs)
[23:56:34] <agentmumu> just create a new bfs partition
[23:56:46] <agentmumu> mount it
[23:56:52] <lymon> agentmumu: ok i see
[23:56:53] <agentmumu> and run makehdimage /mountpoint
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[23:59:04] <fyysik> Korli - long time no see. Waiting for you second day
[23:59:26] <dr_evil> hi Korli





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