[00:00:14] <@mmu_man> :)
[00:00:15] <slaad> Wow. Been a while since there was any OT news.
[00:00:40] <@mmu_man> thought OT moved to haiku cvs
[00:00:46] <brennanOS> the image created by makehdimage is booted by Bochs, right?
[00:00:56] <brennanOS> ls
[00:00:58] <brennanOS> whoops
[00:01:19] <@axeld> brennanOS: yes. And I don't think IRC can parse bash commands :-)
[00:01:21] <@mmu_man> foo  bar
[00:01:26] <CIA-10> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/ (GetAccelerantHook.c engine/nv_acc_dma.c):
[00:01:26] <CIA-10> another nice milestone: NV43 (GeForce PCIe 6600 GT tested) has acceleration up and running as well now!. Please note that the same restrictions apply here as I just mentioned for NV11: to be fixed asap of course ;-)
[00:01:26] <CIA-10> Jippieeee!
[00:01:31] <@axeld> slaad: not news, just a new website ;-)
[00:01:33] <brennanOS> axeld: heh ni it cant
[00:01:56] <slaad> So it's still 2 years? :P
[00:01:57] <brennanOS> axeld: do you happen to have the .bochsrc IDE and hd lines I need?
[00:02:10] <@axeld> slaad: to the next release? Who knows :-))
[00:02:29] <@mmu_man> axeld btw the volume space bars really eat up CPU... and LAN when nfs mounted
[00:02:40] <@axeld> brennanOS: IDE? But yes, I do have a .bochsrc for you if you want one - can I mail it to you?
[00:02:47] <@mmu_man> it just stat() each fs like 5 times each /s
[00:02:56] <@axeld> mmu_man: can't you fix that within NFS? :)
[00:02:58] <brennanOS> axeld: sure... warriorspot at blackhole dot com
[00:03:07] <brennanOS> ata I meant
[00:03:10] <@mmu_man> axeld still it's not nice to do that from Tracker :p
[00:03:17] <slaad> No, since hte last bit of news.
[00:03:28] <@mmu_man> actually each window does stat the BVolumes for itself
[00:03:34] <@mmu_man> so if you have 10 windows open...
[00:03:51] <@mmu_man> not that others than ~/Desktop really need to refresh anything
[00:03:53] <@axeld> slaad: time is flying :)
[00:04:08] <@mmu_man> nfsv4 will have some caching but meanwhile ...
[00:04:11] * slaad nods
[00:04:20] <@axeld> slaad: a lot of stuff happened since then, but I obviously forgot to update the changelog/release documents :-/
[00:04:31] <@mmu_man> nfsv4 has a nice browsing proto btw
[00:04:40] <@mmu_man> and some EA support I think
[00:04:46] <slaad> I'd recommend updating the website. It looks bad to have a fairly core component, such as OT, have the last news post dated 2003.
[00:05:18] <brennanOS> brb... gotta go shovel the driveway
[00:05:29] <@axeld> mmu_man: I like bonefish's idea of a network share: you only have one "network" file system that publishes entries for all available shares - ideally no matter what protocol
[00:05:31] <slaad> MSE does hardware / embedded?
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[00:07:37] <@mmu_man> axeld maybe, bu not all protocols have that ease of use
[00:07:54] <@mmu_man> actually I want to make a multi-protocol WON like stuff
[00:08:11] <@mmu_man> bonefish tried to do it that way but he didn't know the trick da_hood used
[00:08:45] <slaad> Speaking of networky stuff. mmu_man, fix samba. :P
[00:09:06] <@mmu_man> slaad it's not samba that needs fixing, it's the OS :D
[00:09:28] <@mmu_man> 3.0.0 compiles fine with some hacks but it's not cooperative
[00:09:44] <@mmu_man> actually faking it a nobody makes it crash, didn't invesigate yet
[00:10:18] <@axeld> mmu_man: just skip those :-)
[00:10:19] <@mmu_man> axeld so he went back to an addon that publishes only his proto
[00:10:23] <slaad> Well... in all the Zeta releases I just get a recursive directory structure until something crashes.
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[00:10:36] <@mmu_man> zeta ?
[00:10:41] <@mmu_man> where ?
[00:10:54] <@mmu_man> now I've seem some bins of 2.something, but no sources yet, where are they ?
[00:10:57] <@axeld> mmu_man: what does da_hood do?
[00:11:03] <@mmu_man> they wouldn't break the GPL would they ?
[00:11:20] <slaad> Well... whatever zeta uses for windows file sharingstuff.
[00:11:26] <@mmu_man> axeld uses uspacefs to publish itself, and fakes symlinks pointing to themselves
[00:11:53] <@mmu_man> when they are walk()ed they mount the share, and return the link value as the mountpoint
[00:12:06] <@mmu_man> slaad oh you mean the CIFS
[00:12:13] <@mmu_man> samba is a cifs *server*
[00:12:15] <@mmu_man> not client
[00:12:25] <slaad> Err... yeah, sorry, my bad.
[00:12:33] <@axeld> mmu_man: since Dano or already on R5?
[00:13:05] <@mmu_man> da_hood also has BEOS:TYPE as something-share that it has set itself as prefered app
[00:13:16] <@mmu_man> axeld what N
[00:13:17] <@mmu_man> ?
[00:13:42] <@mmu_man> never tried da_hood in dano
[00:13:51] <@axeld> Ah, so it already exists in R5 :)
[00:13:57] <@axeld> Didn't know that stuff
[00:13:57] <@mmu_man> hacked it in bone7a, wasn't much more stable though
[00:14:16] <@mmu_man> actually when it's working it's quite nice
[00:14:30] <@mmu_man> http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/shot_WON_under_BONE.png
[00:14:37] <slaad> It was under experimental wasn't it?
[00:14:43] <@mmu_man> yep
[00:16:04] <@mmu_man> the zip even had a bug that would trash Netscript on install
[00:16:10] <slaad> Hehe
[00:16:31] <@mmu_man> (WONSetup had hardcoded unzip commands it called via system()
[00:16:40] <slaad> Eww
[00:16:50] <@mmu_man> but the zip was released with a folder called World'O Networking
[00:16:53] <@mmu_man> spaces and a '
[00:17:02] <@mmu_man> enough to break a shell line :)
[00:17:59] <@mmu_man> talking about fs, I just tried that ftpfs with the gui mounting tool... works nice
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[00:41:11] <@mmu_man> zzz
[00:41:14] <Hoern2> re
[00:41:19] <Hoern2> mmu_man: g'night
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[00:48:59] <dr_evil> bonefish how & what are you doing?
[00:51:13] <@axeld> dr_evil: he is trying understand what's wrong with our exceptions
[00:51:27] <@axeld> And I try to distract him from that
[00:51:28] <@axeld> :)
[00:51:42] <fyy__> bonefish - are UserlandFS sources available (by request)?
[00:51:54] <@bonefish> fyy__: Yep.
[00:51:55] <fyy__> there is plan to create new WON
[00:51:59] <@axeld> fyy__: what happened to your last part?
[00:52:08] <@bonefish> dr_evil: As axeld says. :-)
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[00:52:18] <fyy__> axeld - Vision got angry
[00:52:21] <dr_evil> bonefish ok, I see
[00:52:37] <dr_evil> I've been playing the Linux configuration game
[00:53:11] <slaad> I've done that before, dr_evil. I found the way to win though; rm -rf / :)
[00:53:13] <@axeld> fyy__: uh oh :)
[00:53:28] <dr_evil> slaad I don't think I'll try that
[00:53:30] <fyy__> until now SAMBA 2.27 is working very stable and fast under BONE, so that man wish to llok at ftp-fs or maybe UserlandFS sources, to get ideas about new CifsBrowser
[00:53:53] <slaad> Trust me. It'll save you a lot of pain
[00:54:20] <dr_evil> slaad you like the new opentracker page?
[00:54:35] <@axeld> hehe :)
[00:54:38] <slaad> Sure :)
[00:55:11] <dr_evil> it doesn't run on BeOS unfortunately
[00:55:17] * fyy__ is almost satisfied for today - submitted pacth for FF/Mozilla which was in use since 1.3 but never reached CVS tree
[00:55:51] <pres589> If you were looking for a recent Firefox and you were running Dano, what would you get?
[00:56:16] <fyy__> pres589 - latest build by tqh published at BeZilla blog. At least it starts
[00:56:29] <pres589> ah, the blog one works now?
[00:56:45] <pres589> I was on bebits and saw all the "still doesn't start, whoop whoop" stuff and I lost hope
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[00:56:59] <pres589> started weaping, etc.  I'll try that one out later tonight
[00:57:21] <Hoern2> it starts, but I had a KDL with it :-(
[00:57:30] <pres589> yay
[00:57:38] <mmadia> pres589:  http://www.livejournal.com/community/bezilla/75523.html
[00:57:42] <fyy__> pres589 - http://www.livejournal.com/users/tqh/ it is far slower than last mozillas but at least it works stable under Dano
[00:58:08] <pres589> I saw KDL today using that recent VNC client, and after that the input server acted badly.  Guess that's what I get for not touching that machine for a couple months
[00:58:34] <fyy__> sorry pres589 - mmadia put proper link
[00:58:39] <fyy__> not me
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[01:17:06] <[Beta]> hmm, anyone seen any memory leaks from the new VNCServer ?
[01:18:27] <[Beta]> I left a vnc session open, compiling Haiku, and the build stopped with "vfork: No memory" around 2000th target .. never had that before.
[01:18:27] <Lebuzzer> Procton
[01:26:57] <brennanOS> damn... hd image wont boot
[01:27:13] <mmadia> are there any plans for Haiku wallpaper?
[01:27:22] <brennanOS> get an error about an illegal value to keyboard port 64
[01:27:25] <brennanOS> value = 46
[01:27:33] <@axeld> brennanOS: from real hardware or bochs?
[01:27:40] <brennanOS> bochs
[01:27:58] <@axeld> brennanOS: which bochs version?
[01:28:12] <brennanOS> floppy image boots from the same .bochsrc... version 2.1.1
[01:31:05] <@axeld> brennanOS: that's strange. Which GCC version?
[01:31:28] <brennanOS> standard R5 2.95
[01:31:35] <@geist> howdy axeld
[01:31:51] <@axeld> Hey geist!
[01:32:15] <@axeld> brennanOS: that might be the culprit. You should update to Oliver's GCC 2.95.3
[01:32:24] <@axeld> geist: how are you?
[01:32:27] <@geist> well, I tried to send a message to the list but I suggested you go ahead and get rid of the old boot method altogether
[01:32:39] <@geist> to avoid having people try to boot it and get hosed
[01:33:07] <@axeld> geist: well, it can still be useful, so I want to keep it alive until our own boot loader can boot from a floppy
[01:33:14] <brennanOS> axeld: ok, will do
[01:33:38] <@axeld> geist: since you cannot easily build a BFS image from Linux, this is probably a good thing to keep for now
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[01:47:16] <@geist> yeah I suppose
[01:52:41] <dr_evil> night
[01:53:08] <dr_evil> I need 5 hours of sleep before going to work :)
[01:53:20] <slaad> Sleep? You wimp
[01:53:46] <fyysik> work? at weekend?
[01:54:43] <dr_evil> at saturday, yes
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[03:09:12] <@axeld> ngiht
[03:09:15] <@axeld> oops
[03:09:15] <@axeld> night
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[06:17:24] <Necrosan> Any releases yet?
[06:40:55] * geist looks around
[06:49:07] <Necrosan> brb
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[09:31:32] <Hoern> hi
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[09:34:04] <JBurton> hi all
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[09:51:13] <JBurton> bye
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[09:55:42] <@geist> okay
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[09:56:07] <@geist> I'm not sure if you have to say bye if no one acknowledged you were there in the first place
[10:09:08] <@mmu_man> plop
[10:11:29] <@geist> poop?
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[10:13:27] <@mmu_man> hi
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[10:35:18] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/headers/os/interface/Region.h: Added BPortLink class as friend
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[10:47:28] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/headers/private/app/PortLink.h: Added support for sending BRegions
[10:48:30] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/src/kits/app/PortLink.cpp: Added support for sending BRegions
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[10:52:46] <@geist> sup yak
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[12:08:58] <CIA-10> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/ (nv_acc.c nv_acc_dma.c): small cleanup (mostly comments updates)
[12:10:20] <CIA-10> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/nv_macros.h: updated a register's name to reflect what it does.
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[13:08:51] <fyysik> tqh - where is that Add bookmark dialog?
[13:10:08] <fyysik> ahh, now i see
[13:11:04] <fyysik> tqh - play with flag B_AVOID_FRONT in Enable() and see if it helps
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[13:13:25] <tqh> fyysik ok, will look at it
[13:17:10] <fyysik> tqh - at all, gimme your nsWindow.cpp and *.h
[13:21:03] <tqh> fyysik ok
[13:33:22] <fyysik> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129310 - 12-2003 last comment, tqh. You already participated
[13:36:47] <tqh> yes, but unfortunatly they don't just blink but disappear completly. So it's something that needs fixing, until then I rather be able to view the content.
[13:41:02] <tqh> hmm, all my bugs seems to be stuck on sr :(
[13:41:16] <fyysik> yes - it rather don't appear, especially with experiments in nsWindow.cpp - Draw/Invalidate() message looks lost for those in some situation, or clipping constrained to wrong rect
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[13:43:08] <tqh> well, scrolling seems pretty hard to get done fast and correctly. Might be better to improve structure and simplify nsWindow and drawing before trying to solve it completly.
[13:44:05] <fyysik> tqh - try to add for(nextsibling) {child->Draw() or child->Invalidate}   loop in end of Scroll() to see if it helps with disappearing
[13:44:37] <fyysik> tqh - exactly, i don't touch nsWindow now and don't submit my patches for that reason
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[13:54:55] <fyysik> tqh - are you using 1600*1200 monitor?
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[14:19:07] <tqh> fyysik yes
[14:20:47] <fyysik> tqh - do you have my latest 1.7a-bone from bebits?
[14:21:07] <jonaskirilla> anyone here had success building and booting Haiku using makehdimage?
[14:21:26] <fyysik> ik>	i don't see there disappearing problem, you may compare. Wondering if this is my paint-path code difference or FireFox specifics
[14:21:38] <fyysik> that was for tqh
[14:21:42] <jonaskirilla> my box just reboots pretty much instantly when I try booting the Haiku partition
[14:22:05] <tqh> fyysik I will get it.
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[14:36:09] <nano> Should one use bone or the new network_kit?
[14:36:50] <CIA-10> axeld * current/src/kernel/glue/ (7 files in 3 dirs):
[14:36:51] <CIA-10> Changed our nice crt0.c to something more GCC compatible; we're not calling
[14:36:51] <CIA-10> the global constructors/desctructors ourselves anymore, but let GCC do
[14:36:51] <CIA-10> that using crtbegin/end.o how it's thought to be done.
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[15:14:00] <CIA-10> axeld * current/src/kernel/Jamfile:
[15:14:00] <CIA-10> The userland build now includes GCC's crtbegin/end.o as needed, surrounded
[15:14:00] <CIA-10> by our crti.o/crtn.o. In the future, we really shouldn't use kernel build
[15:14:00] <CIA-10> rules for userland applications/libraries anymore...
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[15:16:01] <@Dr_Evil> hi
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[15:18:09] <fyysik> tqh
[15:20:51] <tqh> yes
[15:23:08] <fyysik> tqh - at least you can try: remove all crap from Scroll, except mView->LockLooper() block. then mView->ConstrainClippingRegion(0), then mView->ScrollBy(-aDx, aDy);
[15:23:27] * ShackaN np Radiohead - Everything in its right place
[15:23:56] <fyysik> you will see that it kind of works, but new appeared part wasn't repainted properly nor with OnPaint neither with Invalidate().
[15:24:23] <fyysik> if you looked at Daniel Switkin's comment, you may experiment with SetOrigin()
[15:25:01] <tqh> fyysik ah, well I'll remember that, I'm a bit busy right now.
[15:25:06] <fyysik> before or after repaining. But i'm out of energy for this task. Maybe fresh look will help
[15:25:52] <tqh> fyysik Well I'm trying to learn more about widget/gfx-code. I'm happy as long as you get your patches into CVS :)
[15:26:43] <CIA-10> laplace * current/headers/private/print/libprint/ (MarginView.h JobData.h PageSetupDlg.h PrinterCap.h): Added ability to set a page margin (re-uses MarginView from PDF writer).
[15:27:12] <CIA-10> laplace * current/src/add-ons/print/drivers/shared/libprint/ (7 files): Added ability to set a page margin (re-uses MarginView from PDF writer).
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[15:54:19] <agentmumu> <`Apoc`> i blew a load inside my girl
[15:54:19] <agentmumu> <Shiv[0utz0r]> LOL
[15:54:19] <agentmumu> <Shiv[0utz0r]> welcome to the club
[15:54:19] <agentmumu> <`Apoc`> whats the chances of her becoming pregnant
[15:54:20] <agentmumu> <Apocalypse_DFA[spam-eater]> if she wants to be pregnant, 50%. If she doesnt want to be pregant...100%
[15:56:37] <agentmumu> <xterm> The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
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[16:07:28] <Lebuzzer> tic
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[16:11:50] <@mahlzeit> looks like someone found bash.org :-)
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[16:24:52] <ShackaN> is freelists.org down ?
[16:25:05] <@mahlzeit> they are upgrading their servers
[16:25:17] <ShackaN> uhm ok
[16:25:48] <ShackaN> I have to enable digest mode, I'm starting to get too much mail
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[16:30:45] * mahlzeit wrote his first c# program today, woohoo
[16:31:01] <DaaT> congrats
[16:31:15] <@mahlzeit> thanks
[16:31:35] <Greyhawk_Dragon> Neat.
[16:31:44] <@mahlzeit> it's only 20 lines :-)
[16:31:52] <DaaT> still, congrats
[16:31:52] <DaaT> :)
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[16:39:18] <sys2> mahlzeit, in beos? :>
[16:39:22] <@mahlzeit> nah
[16:39:24] <sys2> bah
[16:39:25] <sys2> :P
[16:42:24] <ShackaN> would it be diffucult to port mono on beos ?
[16:42:35] <sys2> if im not mistaking quite
[16:42:43] <ShackaN> uhm
[16:42:45] <sys2> but pnet is laready "ported" :P
[16:43:02] <ShackaN> I mean, it does not reaquire so much os-dependent  stuff, doesn't it ?
[16:45:04] <sys2> try then :>
[16:45:17] <@mahlzeit> http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/mono-list/2003-March/012661.html
[16:46:11] <sys2> i would be happy to see it work under beos .. so try :>
[16:46:25] <sys2> il just continue to see too pnet as i know that works :>
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[16:58:47] <ShackaN> mahlzeit, I ask you then
[16:58:50] <ShackaN> does BeOS have pthread compatible
[16:58:50] <ShackaN> thread library? Does libgc work on BeOS?
[17:00:15] <@mahlzeit> there is an incomplete implementation of pthreads but it works most of the time
[17:00:19] <@mahlzeit> it>	i don't know about libgc
[17:00:28] <sys2> i think libgc comes with pthread
[17:00:43] <sys2> pnet
[17:00:44] 
[17:00:51] <sys2> read pthread and write pthread while meaning pnet :P
[17:01:25] <@mahlzeit> bbl
[17:01:50] <sys2> and pthread works good enough for pnet so should work for mono also :;P
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[17:26:58] <agentmumu> sys2: didn't you port pnet?
[17:29:41] <CIA-10> bonefish * current/src/kernel/ldscripts/x86/ (app.ld library.ld): Rather keep the .eh_frame section, if we want exceptions.
[17:29:42] <sys2> "port"
[17:29:55] <sys2> the 3 of 4 changes/additions/substractions that was needed :P
[17:32:20] <@mmu_man> what will be the next dupped work ppl will come up with...
[17:34:54] <sys2> dupped?
[17:37:12] <@mmu_man> well Guillaume Maillard ported pnet long ago
[17:39:21] <sys2> mmu_man, and was it continued?
[17:39:54] <@mmu_man> don't have recent news
[17:40:06] <sys2> and just becouse someone ported version 0.00.13 of it does not mean he ported the 0.6.10 :P
[17:40:19] <@mmu_man> he was stopped by a bug in dano's libroot
[17:40:45] <sys2> and if he had continued the work i wouldnt have to work out some things in it and it most surley would be on dotgnu.org :P
[17:40:48] <@mmu_man> (asked me to fix the thing and I just said "works here"...)
[17:41:01] <sys2> but now my name is tehre no "Guillaume Maillard" :P
[17:41:06] <sys2> so .. i win :P
[17:41:11] <@mmu_man> lol
[17:41:38] <sys2> same thing with the GPS .. it was stolen, and so on and so forth
[17:41:48] <sys2> but i didnt steal my things .. i worked to make it work :P
[17:41:52] <@mmu_man> GPS ?
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[17:42:10] <sys2> i think it was stolen :P
[17:42:21] <@mmu_man> now, often when I submit ports I just do'nt even get heard cause noone cares about beos
[17:42:24] <@mmu_man> hate that
[17:42:25] <tic> booooo
[17:42:30] <@mmu_man> #define GPS
[17:42:39] <sys2> global positioning system or something like that :>
[17:43:00] <sys2> mmu_man, you maybe do not make your voice heard enough ? :>
[17:43:11] <sys2> my name was over like 5 beos sites within the night :P
[17:43:40] <@mmu_man> I know what a GPS is, it's not software
[17:44:07] <sys2> no, its hardware
[17:44:17] <sys2> but still if im not mistaking one developed it another took credit for it
[17:44:22] <sys2> and the telephone . same thing :P
[17:46:50] <@mmu_man> oh, well
[17:46:53] <brennanOS> does the Oliver Tappe gcc 2.95.3/binutils have the proper ld included for building Haiku?
[17:47:05] <@mmu_man> some say Albert didn't invent the relativity
[17:47:33] <tic> mmu_man, actually, I think it's always been there... ;)
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[17:48:11] <Tenzin> there relative to where ?   :)
[17:49:30] 
[17:49:55] <Methe> loooool
[17:50:00] <sys2> mmu_man, albert was an old fool that would not listen to others
[17:50:07] <sys2> so i guess he had to invent it :P
[17:50:35] <tic> he wasn't very old when he formalized it, though.
[17:51:06] <sys2> sure .. but if he would had listened to other theories then his own he could had made something bigger of himself :P
[17:51:46] <sys2> http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/16/nailgun.accident.ap/index.html <-- ouch ?
[17:54:17] <@mahlzeit> there is something called simultaneous discovery (or something like it)
[17:54:34] <@mahlzeit> when someone invents something, there's always someone else around the same time who invents it too
[17:54:53] <@mahlzeit> like an evolutionary fail-safe :-)
[17:55:05] <@mmu_man> sys2 heard that yesterday on the radio
[17:55:33] <@mmu_man> mahlzeit uh yeah redondancy :)
[17:55:48] <@mmu_man> in case one gets smashed by an asteroid
[17:55:59] <@mahlzeit> yeah something like that :-)
[17:56:23] <Tenzin> so that's why there's 6,000,000,000 people on this planet :)
[17:56:24] <sys2> mahlzeit, if you look at andromeda you will understand, "when the universe has reached the evolutionary step for timetravel it would pop up all over the place"
[17:56:43] <sys2> ;O
[17:56:44] <sys2> :P
[17:56:50] * sys2 is a die hard andromeda fan :P
[17:56:58] <sys2> i stalk lexa doig
[17:57:00] <Tenzin> good taste sys2 :)
[17:57:20] <sys2> have seen season 1 - 4 3 times throught so far :P
[17:57:39] <sys2> yeye .. im a new commling .. i know :P
[17:59:01] <sys2> but damn it buggs me that that triumvir or whatever they are called has one eye that is set lower then the other :P
[17:59:08] <sys2> trigema or something like that she is called :>
[18:03:23] <Tenzin> if you wear glasses you can raise one side everytime a triumvir looks to camera :)
[18:03:36] <Tenzin> then the eyes are level :)
[18:03:41] <sys2> btw, this thing with twins knowing what the other one thinks sometimes, ending eacheother sentences etc ... that has to be quantum entanglement right? .. isnt that working? ;P
[18:03:59] <sys2> :P
[18:04:19] <Tenzin> no,it's simply invisible nerves connecting their brains
[18:04:22] <Tenzin> :)
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[18:04:39] <sys2> cant be as they are not connected :P
[18:04:56] <sys2> but quantum entanglement stays connected over space and time :>
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[18:06:27] <sys2> that would make the ultimate traveling computer
[18:06:51] <sys2> you entangle lots of quantum bits for the monitor, and only carry the monitor with you . .wherever you are on the planet you still can see your monitor
[18:06:52] <@mahlzeit> what is andromeda?
[18:07:02] <sys2> sci-fi series :>
[18:07:12] <sys2> better then VNC :
[18:07:13] <sys2> :P
[18:07:13] <@mahlzeit> bah, the only good sci-fi series is doctor who
[18:07:20] <sys2> pfft
[18:07:24] <sys2> andromeda is best
[18:07:29] <sys2> and rommie is hot
[18:07:37] <Tenzin> *way* hot
[18:08:02] <sys2> specialy with black/blue striped hear and black lipstick and angry
[18:08:06] <sys2> DAMN i love that
[18:08:07] <Tenzin> sys2 if you like rommie you'l *love* eastern nepali women :)
[18:08:09] <sys2> or is it black/red ...
[18:08:25] <sys2> i love em thin and nog big breasted :>
[18:08:31] <Tenzin> all too human episode series 2 you're thinking of
[18:08:44] <Tenzin> deep burgundy lipstick
[18:08:48] <sys2> hehe :>
[18:08:50] <Tenzin> long balc leather coat
[18:08:53] <sys2> he knows his andromeda .. or she :P
[18:08:56] <Tenzin> black
[18:09:13] <Tenzin> he or she I have the hots for her :)
[18:09:49] <sys2> ohh yeah .. there she is :>
[18:09:59] <sys2> so .. you can still be a chick ? :>
[18:10:12] <Tenzin> I'm male
[18:10:29] <Tenzin> but she is just as desirable to girls :)
[18:11:01] * sys2 wishes he was a girl so he could be lesbian .. and changing sex makes so uggly girls :P
[18:12:20] <Tenzin> lol
[18:13:35] <sys2> :>
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[18:17:44] <Greyhawk_Dragon> lol
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[18:30:00] <CIA-10> bonefish * current/src/kernel/apps/rld/rldelf.c: Also call the initialization function of an executable's image. I don't know for what reason it wasn't done before, but not doing it at all breaks C++ exceptions.
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[18:35:18] <CIA-10> bonefish * current/src/kernel/libroot/posix/stdlib/exit.c: That may be the wrong place, but R5's libroot prints 'Abort' when abort() was called. That's at least a helpful clue, when you see your program terminate spontaneously.
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[18:38:40] <CIA-10> bonefish * current/src/kits/app/Application.cpp: More debug output in case of failure.
[18:41:13] <CIA-10> bonefish * current/src/kits/storage/AppFileInfo.cpp: Removed unnecessary definition. Added debug macros.
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[18:41:24] <Hoern> re
[18:44:01] <CIA-10> bonefish * current/src/kits/storage/ResourceFile.cpp: Added debug output macros.
[18:45:10] <CIA-10> bonefish * current/src/kits/storage/Resources.cpp: Removed unnecessary definition. Added debug macros.
[18:51:57] <CIA-10> bonefish * current/src/tests/kits/storage/testapps/ (clipboard.cpp Jamfile): Added small clipboard test. Didn't realize that something similar did already exist in src/apps/bin. But this one can write to the clipboard, too.
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[18:58:54] <CIA-10> bonefish * current/src/kits/network/libnet/compat.c:
[18:58:54] <CIA-10> Don't include uname() when being built for Haiku. Actually the whole
[18:58:54] <CIA-10> file should not be included, but if simply left out, linking libnet will
[18:58:54] <CIA-10> fail, complaining about a missing _h_errnop().
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[19:25:21] <brennanOS> how do I clean my build (i.e. make clean)
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[19:37:11] <sys2> jam clena?
[19:37:13] <sys2> clean
[19:37:14] <sys2> ? :>
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[19:58:51] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/headers/private/app/ServerProtocol.h: Added 2 more contants
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[20:00:28] <jonaskirilla> hi
[20:00:43] <jonaskirilla> Is Ingo around?
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[20:05:10] <@mmu_man> jonaskirilla he was there earlier
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[20:05:29] <jonaskirilla> mmu_man: what's his handle?
[20:05:33] <jonaskirilla> nick
[20:05:34] <@mmu_man> /nickserv info bonefish
[20:05:41] <jonaskirilla> ah, bonefish
[20:05:54] <jonaskirilla> thanks mmu_man
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[20:08:21] <@mmu_man> ftp://ftp.porcupine.org/pub/security/ hmm admin-guide-to-cracking lol
[20:10:10] <@dos4> you were looking for tcp_wrappers, right?
[20:11:19] <@mmu_man> portmap
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[20:12:02] * dos4 was there two days ago looking for tcp_wrappers
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[20:12:25] <@mmu_man> here you go :)
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[20:19:55] <CIA-10> bonefish * current/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[20:19:56] <CIA-10> Added KMessage, a data container pretty much like BMessage, but
[20:19:56] <CIA-10> append-only and hence has very compact storage and a comparatively small
[20:19:56] <CIA-10> footprint implementation. Can be used for kernel->userland messaging.
[20:20:21] <@Dr_Evil> ugh
[20:20:31] <@Dr_Evil> I guess thats an ugly template mess
[20:20:53] <@Dr_Evil> I hope we dont really need it
[20:23:06] <CIA-10> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/ (nv_acc.c nv_acc_dma.c): completed DMA buffer wraparounds. DMA acceleration is now stable on NV11 and NV43. Enjoy.. (still missing acc hooks will be setup asap.)
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[20:24:58] <CIA-10> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/DriverInterface.h: completed DMA buffer state vars to be all there.
[20:26:10] <Procton> If used correctly I like the KMessage idea.
[20:26:21] <Procton> seen dragonflybsd?
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[20:30:04] <@Dr_Evil> no
[20:30:31] <@mmu_man> hope it's FOP1-compatible
[20:30:39] <@mmu_man> Procton you mean kevent ?
[20:32:14] <@mmu_man> ftp://ftp.porcupine.org/pub/forensics/eln-badge.jpg
[20:32:42] <ShackaN> cooool!
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[20:41:50] <jonaskirilla> mmu_man: are you guys planning ahead for device driver portability using something like BSD's busdma?
[20:42:08] <@mmu_man> ?
[20:42:31] <jonaskirilla> mmu_man: you do know what it is?
[20:42:45] <pres589> yeah mmu, quit slacking
[20:43:33] <jonaskirilla> busdma is what lets for example NetBSD use the same PCI, etc, drivers for like 54 different architectures,
[20:44:25] <pres589> I want BeOS on my gameboy; we need this busdma thing
[20:44:26] <jonaskirilla> it's a framework for doing memory stuff, which takes into account all those hardware differences and quirks
[20:44:39] <pres589> I should shut up
[20:44:56] <jonaskirilla> pres589: PowerPC and x86 differences are somewhat more relevant, I'd say :)
[20:45:11] <pres589> not everyone owns a PPC machine
[20:45:16] <pres589> but just about everyone owns a Gameboy
[20:45:17] <jonaskirilla> I'd love having Haiku on that Mac mini.
[20:45:18] <pres589> think about that.
[20:45:19] * nano does ;)
[20:45:29] <nano> jonaskirilla: yeah, that would rock
[20:45:30] <jonaskirilla> I don't know anyone who's got a Gameboyd
[20:45:32] <pres589> oh, I've got about 4, but I'm not your average bear
[20:45:44] <pres589> what?  It's the most popuar computer system ever sold
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[20:46:23] <pres589> I think
[20:46:29] <pres589> if not it has to be close
[20:46:37] <jonaskirilla> my <30 crisis isn't helped by this :]
[20:46:43] <jonaskirilla> ;)
[20:46:54] <jonaskirilla> perhaps I should get a gameboy advance
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[20:48:25] <jonaskirilla> busdma blurb:  http://busdma.exsudo.com/
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[20:57:23] <@Dr_Evil> damn, I just wanted to switch on the other computer, but it already was
[20:58:15] <@geist> I higly doubt haiku will run on a gameboy ever
[20:58:31] <@mmu_man> never say never :p
[20:58:51] * geist says never
[20:59:01] * Dr_Evil agrees
[20:59:13] <@geist> but the point is still valid
[20:59:27] <nano> yeah.. we might go to space and find Vulcan soon too.. and invent replicators.
[20:59:32] <@Dr_Evil> at work I started reading MultiProcessor specification 1.4 today
[20:59:41] <@geist> and yes, to a degree the bus is abstracted away
[21:00:00] <@geist> beos never completely did it, since each driver has to go open specifically the pci bus module and inspect it
[21:00:05] <@geist> so it's already pci specific
[21:00:06] <jonaskirilla> geist: that's good to know
[21:00:19] <@geist> though that handles quite a bit of stuff, since pci is pretty universal nowadays
[21:00:49] <@geist> if you were dealing with an old sparc or something you'd have to deal with sbus
[21:01:05] <jonaskirilla> usb is making inroads
[21:01:42] <@geist> sure but usb drivers are unique already
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[21:02:13] <@geist> bsd however does abstract away the device more so than beos ever did
[21:02:39] <@geist> for example, beos drivers would usually ask the bus module where the registers are, map them into memory and then reference them directly
[21:02:58] <@geist> on bsd you have to use functions to read/write to device registers, even if they're just memory mapped
[21:03:31] <@geist> presumably there are some busses out there that require that. I suppose if you took an existing register based device and made a version that was on a usb or i2c bus or something it would come in handy
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[21:04:51] <jonaskirilla> so if DragonFly goes ahead with the idea of putting some drivers in userspace, it might be able to use the same code, regardless of whether the module is supposed to live in-kernel or in userspace
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[21:05:28] <jonaskirilla> hardware access being passed via messaging
[21:08:29] <jonaskirilla> speaking of hardware.. ExpressCard looks nice - cards get a USB 2.0 (and/)or PCI Express interface
[21:09:42] <@geist> ist>	i have no idea what dragonflyis doing
[21:10:37] <fyysik> hi ppl
[21:10:51] <jonaskirilla> geist: have you looked at the design goals listed on the homepage?
[21:12:24] <jonaskirilla> geist: they're trying another approach to SMP, which is supposedly lockless
[21:12:48] <@geist> great
[21:12:49] <jonaskirilla> syscalls will be message passed
[21:13:02] <@geist> talk is cheap, I'll look at it when it's complete
[21:13:14] <@geist> and evaluate the end result
[21:13:28] <jonaskirilla> geist: it's under heavy development but it's amazingly stable
[21:13:39] <@mmu_man> MACH already uses messages for syscalls
[21:13:41] <@mmu_man> it's not new
[21:13:47] <@geist> again, I'll look at it when it's complete
[21:13:53] <jonaskirilla> at the moment the vfs is being overhauled, with journaling infrastructure being added
[21:14:04] <jonaskirilla> mmu_man: so what? :)
[21:14:05] <@geist> you wouldn't believe how many radical new os things people have told me about
[21:14:07] <@Dr_Evil> journaling sucks
[21:14:08] <@mmu_man> though Apple threw it away in OSX as I know
[21:14:47] <@geist> Dr_Evil: thanks
[21:14:48] <@mmu_man> geist sounds like winfs :)
[21:15:23] <@geist> I wish them all the luck but I just dont get excited about every new development anymore. most fizzle out
[21:15:28] <@mmu_man> once again Microsoft comes to the rescue, inventing and patenting new ways of computing :D
[21:15:34] <jonaskirilla> geist: dragonfly is actually happening, those are real ex- or current FreeBSD developers doing real work, keeping up with the other BSD's as they go.
[21:15:52] <@geist> jonaskirilla: oh well shit then ill drop what I'm doing and go look
[21:16:03] <jonaskirilla> geist: heh :)
[21:16:09] <jonaskirilla> the site is outdated though
[21:16:23] <@geist> anyway i just woke up and am grumpy. dont bother telling me about it, you're by far not the first person to do so
[21:16:32] <@geist> this is not news to me
[21:17:11] <jonaskirilla> ah well :)
[21:17:29] <@geist> design for the sake of design doesn't interest me, I want to see what goals they have, why the chose that path, what the expect out of it, and when it's done if it acheived it's goals
[21:17:35] <@Dr_Evil> I usually wake up an feel pretty tired
[21:17:57] <@geist> I mostly have heard just hype about dragonfly so I'm pretty jaded about it
[21:18:32] <@Dr_Evil> but I ordered a new mattress
[21:18:38] <@geist> good idea
[21:18:49] <jonaskirilla> who knows what will be the next big thing
[21:18:50] <@geist> ist>	i should do so as well. my old one is pretty crappy
[21:19:02] <@geist> who cares what will be the next big thing (well I dont)
[21:19:23] <@Dr_Evil> I noticed I'm much more refreshed after sleep in a hotel on a not so weak mattress
[21:20:12] <@geist> yeah
[21:20:17] <@geist> damn it's cold
[21:20:28] <@geist> my old apartment drops to basically outside temps at night
[21:20:41] <@geist> takes a while for the space heater to get the room up to temperature
[21:22:55] <jonaskirilla> mmu_man: regarding MACH, DragonFly's messaging is supposedly not as heavy-weight as that of MACH
[21:24:05] <Procton> IIRC the dragonfly main developer wants the messaging system to be as light as for AmigaOS.
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[21:25:09] <jonaskirilla> http://www.dragonflybsd.org/goals/messaging.cgi
[21:26:32] <@mmu_man> fine, at least they don't claim to have invented that :))
[21:26:33] <Procton> however.. I wouldn't say dragonfly is stable. The last time I tried it, it crashed while booting on two out of three computers I tried. :)
[21:26:35] <@mmu_man> Amiga ROXOR
[21:26:48] <@Dr_Evil> whats that for a stupid example jonaskirilla?
[21:26:49] <@mmu_man> 22 20:26:49 <@mmu_man>	2 amiga news on osnews today
[21:26:56] <Procton> mmu_man: check out the main developer. :)
[21:27:07] <@Dr_Evil> first sending an asynchronous message, and than synchronously waiting for it
[21:27:08] <jonaskirilla> Procton: which ISO did you try?
[21:27:38] <Procton> jonaskirilla: can't remember.
[21:27:42] * geist hooks up a gigabit hub he got yesterday
[21:29:14] <jonaskirilla> Dr_Evil: doesn't the text explain that?
[21:29:27] <@mmu_man> Procton ?
[21:29:29] <@Dr_Evil> I didn't read the text, only the example
[21:29:52] * fyysik wonders if with gigabit speed network transfer is again faster than transfer from HDD
[21:30:41] <jonaskirilla> Dr_Evil: perhaps it's meant to show how you can build syncronous on top of asyncronous
[21:30:44] <Procton> mmu_man: regarding Amiga... check out the main developer for dragonblybsd.
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[21:31:14] <jonaskirilla> Dr_Evil: like in QNX
[21:32:32] <jonaskirilla> Procton: there are a couple of different ISOs.. for example the GCC 3.x isos are generally not to be trusted yet, and you'd probably want one of the STABLE series instead of one of the cvs Head series
[21:32:47] <Procton> I tried both, IIRC.
[21:33:12] <@mmu_man> http://www.dragonflybsd.org/main/team.cgi ? so ?
[21:33:33] <Procton> mmu_man: Matthew Dillon does not ring a bell?
[21:33:41] <@mmu_man> oh, didn't see project leader at top of the table
[21:33:42] <jonaskirilla> Procton: the stable cvs tag has been rock solid for me, but I've got pretty standard hardware
[21:33:54] <@mmu_man> Procton I don't know the amiga scene much
[21:33:59] <jonaskirilla> mmu_man: he made a compiler for the Amiga (DICE?)
[21:34:02] <Procton> ok.
[21:34:08] * mmu_man never had an Amiga :-(
[21:34:32] <@mmu_man> it's mainly a myth to me :)
[21:34:33] * Procton neither, but has quite a lot of friends that had an Amiga.
[21:34:36] * Fanskapet has three :)
[21:34:48] <Fanskapet> and one broken :/
[21:35:12] <Procton> one of them still hangs on to his A1200 as his only computer...
[21:35:25] * geist takes apart his hub first
[21:35:36] <Procton> He uses an aged 14'' as both tellie and a monitor.
[21:35:59] <jonaskirilla> Procton: lol!
[21:36:49] * jonaskirilla has bought both an A2000 and a Pegasos in "modern time" and donated/sold both..
[21:37:24] * Procton hasn't bought a computer for quite a while.
[21:37:27] <jonaskirilla> nowadays the Amiga simply has lost the glow it had back when I was a kid
[21:37:34] <Procton> indeed.
[21:37:49] <Procton> It's quite cool though, still...
[21:37:54] <jonaskirilla> with the Mac mini, who's going to buy a Pegasos?
[21:37:58] <Procton> quite modular hardware architecture.
[21:38:03] <@mmu_man> ugh, bad news on the ml
[21:38:12] <nathanw> The thing from Waldemar?
[21:39:13] <jonaskirilla> I can relate to what he's writing. :I
[21:39:17] * Procton gets back to watching tv.
[21:39:22] <@Dr_Evil> oh, surprise
[21:40:01] * Fanskapet have bought a computer one month ago.. and now it's broken
[21:40:09] <Fanskapet> sucks
[21:40:17] <Fanskapet> computers.. sucks! :D
[21:40:35] <jonaskirilla> Dr_Evil: was that directed to me?
[21:41:39] <@Dr_Evil> no
[21:41:59] <jonaskirilla> ah, ok
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[21:42:26] <jonaskirilla> what was waldemars area?
[21:42:54] <@Dr_Evil> kernel ppp
[21:42:55] <nathanw> He wrote the PPP stack
[21:43:00] <jonaskirilla> oh right
[21:43:46] <@Dr_Evil> 29 of 935 emails I still have here are form waldemar and are related to kernel ppp or dialup application
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[21:48:31] <nano> Is there any work being done on supporting pthreads?
[21:50:07] <@Dr_Evil> geist when using 64 bit variables (for axample as local variable in a funciton), does gcc always align them to 8 byte?
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[21:50:39] <@geist> hmm, dunno. probably
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[21:50:56] <@geist> though on a 32-bit machine it presumably doesn't matter since you have to load it in two loads
[21:51:39] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/ (Layer.cpp RootLayer.cpp RootLayer.h ServerWindow.cpp): (log message trimmed)
[21:51:40] <CIA-10> ServerWindow.cpp:
[21:51:40] <CIA-10> * made MonitorWin thread wait until associated WinBorder is hidden
[21:51:40] <CIA-10> and RootLayer's lock is acquired.
[21:51:40] <CIA-10> RootLayer.cpp:
[21:51:41] <CIA-10> * added 2 public methods for calculating visible regions.
[21:51:43] <CIA-10> ALL:
[21:51:55] <@mmu_man> (and it's trimmed =)
[21:52:02] <@Dr_Evil> geist well, there is cmpxchg8b
[21:52:15] <@mmu_man> nano there are several versions around
[21:52:20] <@geist> but yeah I'm sure it aligns
[21:52:21] <@mmu_man> none finished AFAIK
[21:52:36] <nano> mmu_man: ah..
[21:53:18] <@mmu_man> checking for st_blocks in struct stat... no
[21:53:30] * mmu_man likes correctly written software
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[21:56:18] <jonaskirilla> anybody know what kind of hardware is most likley to boot Haiku, currently
[21:57:03] <@Dr_Evil> x86
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[21:58:10] <jonaskirilla> Dr_Evil: yeah, but what chipset/processor?.. I seem to be out of luck.. it just reboots instantly
[21:58:43] <jonaskirilla> i845/P4 2 GHz, 512MB ram
[21:59:14] <jonaskirilla> perhaps it gets confused over which partition to boot from
[21:59:22] <@Dr_Evil> I didn't try booting
[22:00:14] <jonaskirilla> someone please tell bonefish when he gets back his email isn't working
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[22:05:01] <@Dr_Evil> yeah sure, why not. with this exact error report...
[22:10:20] <@mmu_man> # elsif SIZEOF_UNSIGNED_INT == 4
[22:10:23] <@mmu_man> ugh ?
[22:12:41] <@Dr_Evil> is there a simple way to use jam, outside of the cvs tree?
[22:13:51] <@mmu_man> alias jam=make
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[22:15:29] <@mmu_man> arf
[22:15:35] <@mmu_man> not that correctly written as I see
[22:15:45] <@Dr_Evil> hmm, doesn't work well, it doesn't like jammmmfiles
[22:15:46] <@mmu_man> checks for statvfs.h but also ftyp.h
[22:15:59] <@mmu_man> hmm
[22:16:09] <@mmu_man> alias jam='mv -f Jamfile Makefile; make'
[22:16:10] <@mmu_man> :D
[22:18:42] <@geist> aw man my mac doens't support jumbo frames on it's ethernet port
[22:22:55] <ShackaN> what are jumbo frames ?
[22:23:54] <CIA-10> phoudoin * current/src/kernel/apps/exec_test.c: Fixed the "no previous prototype" warning.
[22:25:01] <@geist> >	> 1500 mtu
[22:25:28] <@geist> generally 9k
[22:25:42] <ShackaN> wow
[22:25:53] <@mmu_man> hmm BONE has an hardcoded limit in bone_ether that prevents them to work either
[22:26:09] <@mmu_man> will have need to remove that :)
[22:26:25] <@geist> yeah
[22:26:39] <CIA-10> phoudoin * current/src/servers/input/ (AddOnManager.cpp MethodMenuItem.cpp): Fixed the "unused frame variable" warning.
[22:26:42] <@mmu_man> (2K buffer for flattening iovecs)
[22:26:56] <@mmu_man> hey, he's alive
[22:28:10] <@mmu_man> gahhhh
[22:28:19] <@Dr_Evil> bone acts strange with unusula MTUs, not even ifconfig reports the correct values
[22:28:20] <@mmu_man> do *not* run aclocal when you shouldn't
[22:28:38] <@Dr_Evil> one of the reasons why I removed support for that from the ported intel gigabit driver
[22:28:39] <@mmu_man> Dr_Evil hmm really ?
[22:28:46] <@Dr_Evil> yes, really
[22:28:50] <@mmu_man> setting it on loop0 works at least
[22:29:07] <@mmu_man> if you tried >2048 on an eth it failed
[22:29:12] <@mmu_man> because of the 2k buffer
[22:30:20] <@Dr_Evil> no I tried sizes between 1500 and 2048
[22:30:32] <@Dr_Evil> because I used 2k buffers in the driver for testing
[22:31:44] <@mmu_man> hmm actually it seems bone_ether doesn't check the mtu for being < 2k
[22:31:47] <@mmu_man> that's dangerous :)
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[22:35:09] <Jixt> hi
[22:35:26] <Jixt> back again with questions :D
[22:35:46] <Jixt> is there someone that can help me with some usb manager questions?
[22:36:00] <CIA-10> phoudoin * current/src/servers/input/AddOnManager.cpp: Ooops, rollback, this stupid change was erronously still lying there...
[22:36:28] * mmu_man pets phoudion
[22:36:32] <@mmu_man> s/io/oi/
[22:38:06] <Jixt> mmu_man you know why this command only works on some devices ? usb->clear_feature(ept->handle,USB_FEATURE_ENDPOINT_HALT)
[22:38:24] <@mmu_man> never used it, sorry
[22:39:25] <Jixt> I am kind of stuck here, I try to do bulktransfer but sometimes it fails. If I put this command before the transfer I can always do the transfer
[22:39:45] <Jixt> but some devices don't react on this function call
[22:39:59] <@mmu_man> what is it supposed to do anyway ?
[22:40:15] <@mmu_man> clear some interrupt-like flag to allow subsequent xfer ?
[22:40:22] <Jixt> it puts an endpoint of a usb device to the halt status
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[22:40:45] <@mmu_man> weirdo
[22:40:46] <Jixt> sort oso you can start a transfer
[22:40:47] <@mmu_man> hmm
[22:41:10] <@mmu_man> do you get timedout xfers or soemthing ?
[22:41:17] <@mmu_man> in that case you migh want to cansel them
[22:41:20] <Jixt> me weirdo? hmm, just trying to find a way in the usb manager
[22:41:37] <Jixt> yes i get timedout xtransfers
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[22:42:42] <Jixt> due to the time outs, the bulktransfers seems to hang
[22:43:07] <Jixt> so every time I do a transfer I put the endpoint to the halt status
[22:43:30] <Jixt> this makes it possible to do transfers even after they time out
[22:43:38] <@mmu_man> did you try to cancel() the previous one before starting one ?
[22:44:08] <Jixt> yes I always call the cancel_transfers functioni
[22:44:37] <Jixt> it seems to cancel the transfers, but after that the xtransfer fails
[22:45:23] <@mmu_man> I'd suggest mailing ithamar :)
[22:45:25] <Jixt> I think I've already explained the problem with my camera's ?
[22:46:09] <@mmu_man> E2OLD
[22:46:51] <Jixt> I mailed ithamar several times. And no answer. I've made a raw driver myself that is even better than the one of Zeta (it doesn't produce an kdl anymore when opening a device when the usb roster is running of the usbkit)
[22:47:53] <Jixt> It seems nobody can help me :(
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[22:48:22] <Jixt> there is not much knowledge about the usb mananger in the community ;)
[22:48:33] <CIA-10> phoudoin * current/src/tests/kits/net/new_stack/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Fixed warnings.
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[22:51:59] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/Layer.cpp: Yes... B_FULL_UPDATE_ON_RESIZE on Layer resize not with every redraw. :-D
[22:52:12] <Jixt> mmu_man? do you know the cli command to see the external functions of a binary?
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[22:53:14] <@Dr_Evil> nm foo | grep " U "
[22:53:49] <Jixt> is that the command Dr_Evil?
[22:54:07] * mmu_man needs to fasten a screw on his glasses
[22:54:39] <@Dr_Evil> yes, fooo is the file
[22:55:00] <Jixt> that i knew Dr_Evil :p tnx!
[22:55:25] <Jixt> the last time I tried it, my system crashed :(
[22:55:37] <Jixt> so If I'm gone. good night :p
[22:55:45] <@mmu_man> hmm
[22:55:55] <@mmu_man> actually just noticed there is a simpler one
[22:55:59] <@mmu_man> nm -u foo :)
[22:56:18] <Jixt> lol, nice! I will try the easy one /D
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[22:57:07] <fyysik> seen Korli
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[23:00:08] <fyysik> it seems that globals are evil in drivers, though
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[23:03:29] <Jixt> hmmm, I see more with the  grep "T" optioni
[23:04:19] <@mmu_man> they are
[23:04:22] <@Dr_Evil> globals are not evil
[23:04:27] <Jixt> when do you need the set_alt_interface function of the manager?
[23:04:32] <nielx> How strict is the policy of no gpl code?
[23:04:41] * Dr_Evil uses quite a few, I think 3 or 4
[23:04:45] <@mmu_man> Jixt before calling set_configuration
[23:04:49] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - it seems i got reason of muxki carsj with debug terminal
[23:04:57] <fyysik> emuxki
[23:05:20] <Jixt> ok mmu_man and what is the purpose of it?
[23:05:40] <fyysik> global num_cards called from device_hook and from emuxki_setup
[23:05:45] <fyysik> or init_driver
[23:06:32] * fyysik is preparing to KDL - restarting media
[23:07:12] <@mmu_man> Jixt seting an alt interface :p
[23:07:28] <@mmu_man> = choosing some parameters
[23:07:35] <@mmu_man> usually the iso xfer size
[23:07:59] <@mmu_man> the default intf having iso size = 0 (= iso disabled)
[23:08:24] <@mmu_man> you should call set_alt_interface(...->alt_interfaces[0]);
[23:08:26] <Jixt> could that give a problem if I dont call this function?
[23:08:29] <Jixt> lol
[23:08:39] <@mmu_man> I think you *must* call it :p
[23:08:47] <@mmu_man> well it's recommended anyway
[23:08:49] * Dr_Evil moved ipro1000 and rtl8169 into private svn repository
[23:08:53] <@mmu_man> before set_nth_config
[23:09:09] <fyysik> private? why?
[23:09:17] <Jixt> ok, I'm new with those functions
[23:09:53] <Jixt> is there i please(docs) where I can learn more about it, because I don't wont to bother you with all my questioins mmu_man :p
[23:10:06] <Jixt> please -> place
[23:10:27] <@mmu_man> the only thing I know are sample code drivers :)
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[23:10:32] <@mmu_man> use teh soruce(tm)
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[23:11:04] <@voidref> mmu_man, well, there's always the Adventures in Driver Writing column
[23:11:09] <Jixt> yeah, I understand... trail and error :(
[23:11:09] <@voidref> and other BeMessage articles.
[23:11:30] <@voidref> and isn't there BeDrivers.com or something?
[23:12:38] <Jixt> ok, I will take a look over there
[23:13:44] <@mmu_man> voidref needs an usb episode
[23:14:35] <ShackaN> "Adventures in Driver Writing" ?
[23:14:43] <@voidref> mmu_man, oh man, hey, that reminds me, you wanna do some real usb programming ;)
[23:14:44] <Jixt> I can write a big episode about usb driver development...
[23:14:49] <@voidref> let me find that article
[23:14:58] <ShackaN> what's that ?
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[23:27:44] <fyysik> YESSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:27:59] * fyysik opens bottle of Sauvignon
[23:28:17] <fyysik> can work on VLC-multichannel again
[23:28:19] <dipp> "past that shit"
[23:28:31] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - i was right
[23:29:40] <fyysik> so should wait for Korli here or send him email
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[23:34:43] <fyysik> hi phoudoin
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[23:35:06] <CIA-10> phoudoin * current/src/tests/kits/net/new_stack/interfaces/ (ether_drivers/ether_drivers.c loopback/loopback.c): Sync with local (tiny) changes
[23:35:13] <phoudoin> Hi guys
[23:35:41] <fyysik> phoudoin - weren't you one of those who wrote haiku print kit, or that was laplace?
[23:36:46] <phoudoin> Historycly, it's Ithamar (now working at YellowTab) who write the first alpha print_kit
[23:37:07] <fyysik> so you didn't deal with that?
[23:37:27] <phoudoin> I joined him to work on some area (mostly the transports add-ons and the Printers preflet "Add" dialog).
[23:37:33] <fyysik> ahh
[23:37:57] <phoudoin> Then laplace (Michael Pfeiffer) take the leadership and improve all the kit areas status.
[23:38:08] <fyysik> so maybe you know enough to guess answer to my question
[23:38:22] <phoudoin> Let's see... ;-)
[23:39:13] <fyysik> Be's parallel printing is very unreliable for me, works only with DMA mode parallel port and heavily depends on cable length - which part is guilty - parallel driver or transport add-on?
[23:39:30] <fyysik> in your opinion
[23:40:07] <phoudoin> Parallel driver, as the transport add-on is simply a C++ BDataIO-ish wrapping of /dev/parallel device.
[23:40:56] <phoudoin> To test yourself, print into a file instead of directly thru the parallel port transport. Use 'Print To File" transport add-on.
[23:41:24] <fyysik> ik>	i c
[23:41:45] <fyysik> is there haiku parallel driver written already?
[23:41:48] <phoudoin> Then, a "cat printjob.dump > /dev/parallel" should allow you to trace who's the bad guy here...
[23:42:01] <fyysik> huh
[23:42:12] <fyysik> will try
[23:42:32] <phoudoin> We don't have a /dev/parallel driver written already, nope.
[23:42:45] <fyysik> though, i got impression that cat some.txt >/dev/parallel/parallel1 work everytime
[23:42:53] <phoudoin> printjob.dump is a sample file name :-)
[23:43:09] <fyysik> but not intensive direct printing from transport add-on
[23:43:31] <phoudoin> If it works fine without Parallel Port, then I'm the bad guy here :-(
[23:43:40] <nathanw> Parallel drivers are easy to write
[23:43:42] <fyysik> it prints, but prints nothing or crap, looks like ignoring handshake or no any protocol inbetween
[23:43:53] <nathanw> Someone should write one
[23:44:08] <nathanw> that's weird
[23:44:11] <fyysik> i'm not about Haiku's one, Haiku factory was down, and i couldn't try it
[23:44:24] <nathanw> It's not down, actually
[23:44:25] <phoudoin> nathanw: then someone should easily commit one in our CVS soon ;-)
[23:45:03] <nathanw> http://209.15.19.223/haiku/factory/
[23:45:07] <nathanw> hahaha
[23:45:41] <nathanw> I think I'll also write an Epson print driver, since R5's leaks memory like nothing else
[23:45:55] <phoudoin> fyysik: I've bad experience with R5's parallel driver too in the past. I'm now using an USB/network printer, so I don't care that much anymore, but I feel your pain.
[23:45:55] <fyysik> nathanw - before it was up again, i got shorter cable:)
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[23:46:44] <fyysik> phoudoin - i worked myself with centronix port under various OS-es, and got feeling that with right useage it is VERY reliable. So wondering what happens there
[23:47:06] <nathanw> brb
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[23:47:15] <fyysik> ik>	i wrote quite complicate device control program which works over 12 meters long lpt cable
[23:47:36] <phoudoin> nathanw: I guess supporting basic parallel port features is easy, but it becomes a nightmare with all these DMA *enhancement"...
[23:47:51] <fyysik> though, environment wasn't multithreaded, for sure:)
[23:49:30] <phoudoin> So, does it works fine when using directly your /dev/parallel/parallel1 device ?
[23:50:00] <jonaskirilla> mmu_man: Mach/DragonFly comment: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2003-07/msg00007.html
[23:50:00] <fyysik> hmm, where is Nathan's epson driver? i wish to simplify it for dot-matrix ESC P and ESCP P2 printers
[23:50:26] <jonaskirilla> mmu_man: and another: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/users/2005-01/msg00194.html
[23:50:38] <CIA-10> mmu_man * current/src/apps/bin/trash.cpp: trash *g* unused var (fd)
[23:52:30] <Fanskapet> woho
[23:52:32] <Fanskapet> http://www.tradera.com/auction/aid_10523028
[23:52:33] <Fanskapet> *wants*
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[23:58:45] <fyysik> hmm, where is Nathan's epson driver? i wish to simplify it for dot-matrix ESC P and ESCP P2 printers





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