[00:01:40] <@mmu_man> tic EBUSY
[00:01:57] <tic> mmu_man, you know what it is though, right?
[00:02:19] <@mmu_man> yup
[00:03:16] <tic> dunno if it'd be really that neccessary to port Haiku to Xen - I mean, what would one use it for? But still. :)
[00:03:40] <Master199> Xen ?
[00:04:26] <tic> http://download.dosgamesarchive.com/tyrian.gif
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[00:07:27] <CIA-10> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/drawing_modes/ (5 files): implemented more drawing modes, refactored a little, still work left to do...
[00:08:36] <CIA-10> stippi * current/src/tests/servers/app/painter/main.cpp: current state of test app, contains some cleanup too
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[00:30:20] <nano> How do one create a new keymap in beos?
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[00:31:11] <nano> I normally use a modified version of the swedish version of dvorak. And then with my mac keyboard esc is broken with normal us keymap so i cannot use vim. :/
[00:31:42] <tic> nano, do you have e-mail? I can mail you a working Svorak keymap
[00:31:54] <nano> Ah.. that would be nice, nano at nittionio dot nu
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[00:33:55] <tic> nano, sent.
[00:34:11] <nano> Thanks..
[00:34:20] <tic> heh. What's the odds of meeting another Swedish BeOS user that also uses Svorka? :)
[00:34:23] <tic> svorak, too
[00:34:27] <CIA-10> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/drawing_modes/ (DrawingModeAdd.h DrawingModeCopy.h): refactoring and cleanup
[00:34:32] <nano> blowrak :)
[00:34:42] <nano> dh and bx swapped
[00:35:07] <nano> But otherwise svorak
[00:35:22] <tic> why did you switch dh and bx?
[00:35:32] <tic> I doubt you're using bx, especially x, more than d and h
[00:35:34] <nano> Felt better.
[00:35:37] <tic> Heh.
[00:36:03] <nano> ehm..now i'm lying
[00:36:09] <nano> or.. no..
[00:36:26] <tic> according to a frequency analysis I did on all text I wrote for roughly a year, mixed Swedish/English, it came out basically like the regular home row.
[00:36:54] <Dr_Evil> it's a funny feeling when "rm -rf *" takes much longer than expected
[00:37:20] <tic> Dr_Evil, yeah, makes you think it started to walk .. as well :)
[00:37:25] <nano> dvorak/svorak/blowrak is really nice... when going back to qwerty it really feels retarded ;)
[00:37:53] <tic> nano, yeah. I hurt my wrist recently, and I wasn't able to type at all using qwerty, but on svorak I could at least type.
[00:37:58] <tic> not fast, but I could.
[00:38:00] <nano> Haha :)
[00:38:28] <tic> I don't have to twist my wrist so much when on svorak, so...
[00:38:33] <tic> it feels a _lot_ better.
[00:38:51] <tic> I'm not quite satisfied with the shift key, still. I'd prefer to have a shift key below the space key.
[00:39:16] <tic> when you press the shit key, you have to twist your wrists slightly.  and that still hurts :/
[00:39:29] <tic> oh well. sleepy time. night.
[00:39:32] <nano> You have ctrl on capslock or?
[00:39:33] <mmadia> tic do you use a typical straight or "ergonomic" curved aka butterfly kb ?
[00:39:39] <tic> mmadia, regular.
[00:39:52] <tic> nano, I never use Control, so I have it in the regular position.
[00:39:54] <mmadia> if you can, spring for a curved.
[00:40:04] <nano> ah..
[00:40:15] <tic> nano, I only use Command, and that's already placed in the optimal position, i.e., for the thumb.
[00:40:33] <tic> mmadia, I'd rather not do away with my Logitech UltraX keyboard; el-cheapo OEM, but has these wonderful laptop-style keys.
[00:40:41] 
[00:40:45] <tic> anyhow.. gotta sleep.
[00:40:57] <tic> nano, with command?
[00:41:23] <nano> well.. on my mac keyboard it's on "alt" or "option" or what it's called.
[00:41:26] <tic> *Zzz*
[00:41:30] <nano> night
[00:41:47] <nano> so like altgr on pc or something
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[00:55:54] <Hoern2> n8
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[01:08:09] <fyy__> hi lymon
[01:08:28] <lymon> hello fyysik
[01:08:51] * fyy__ is preparing very important new old patch
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[01:18:54] <nano> Is it possible to have larger than 800x600 res in vesa mode?
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[01:37:54] <trefas> nano: sure vesa supports much higher resolutions, if you can choose higher a resolution with beos i do not know.
[01:37:57] <mmadia> nano ~/config/settings/kernel/drivers/sample/vesa   move that to  ../vesa
[01:38:36] <mmadia> there's also a program Vesa Accepted on bebits to help automate | GUI-ize editing that vesa file
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[01:45:18] <nano> yeah.. tried 1024 768 24 but then it got grayscale.. and 640x480.. and i have the gfx mem for larger res.
[01:46:54] <nano> Too damn bad I cannot run it natively on my laptop :/
[01:47:28] <nano> But I guess I'm pretty satisfied with OS X too ;) .. still haiku is a fun project.
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[01:52:44] <mmadia> what graphics card | chipset do you have nano?
[02:24:21] <nano> mmadia: virtualpc ;)
[02:24:45] <nano> mmadia: have a powerbook g4 1.33GHz PPC so cannot run native.
[02:24:54] <mmadia> aah
[02:25:22] <nano> But it's ok.. i can compile stuff when i sleep ;)
[02:26:17] <nano> sooooooooooooooo slow :/
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[03:00:41] <CIA-10> axeld * current/src/add-ons/translators/rtftranslator/convert.cpp:
[03:00:41] <CIA-10> Fixed a bug in write_unicode_char() - it returned the size of the character
[03:00:41] <CIA-10> not how many bytes were actually written (which could differ with newlines
[03:00:41] <CIA-10> and indention).
[03:00:41] <CIA-10> Now use the new rgb_color == operator instead of a memcmp().
[03:02:13] <CIA-10> darkwyrm * current/src/servers/app/server/ServerWindow.cpp:
[03:02:13] <CIA-10> Added handlers for a few unhandled and unimplemented BView calls
[03:02:13] <CIA-10> BView::GetMouse won't block the app for now, at least
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[03:16:18] <CIA-10> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/device_manager/probe.cpp: Added a temporary fix to be able to boot using bootfs.
[03:34:32] <brennanOS> Now that's service
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[03:50:42] <Dane> Does anyone know the trick to making an app launch minimized?
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[12:48:49] <fyy__> !seen bonefish
[12:50:26] <fyy__> ppl. are userlandFS sources available?
[12:54:57] <@mmu_man> don't think so
[12:55:03] <@mmu_man> /nickserv info bonefish
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[13:10:38] <CIA-10> darkwyrm * current/headers/private/app/ServerProtocol.h: Added codes for more BFont methods
[13:11:52] <CIA-10> darkwyrm * current/src/kits/interface/Font.cpp: Finished most of the unimplemented methods
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[14:12:15] <CIA-10> darkwyrm * current/headers/private/servers/app/ServerFont.h:
[14:12:15] <CIA-10> Style changes
[14:12:15] <CIA-10> API tweaks
[14:13:30] <CIA-10> darkwyrm * current/src/servers/app/server/ (ServerFont.cpp ServerWindow.cpp):
[14:13:30] <CIA-10> Implemented ServerFont::SetFamilyAndStyle(id,id)
[14:13:30] <CIA-10> Other API tweaks to ServerFont
[14:13:30] <CIA-10> Style changes in ServerFont
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[14:34:16] <Teknomancer> hot new release: http://www.bebits.com/app/4069  - Get your copy of Beezer today ;-PP hehe
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[14:41:31] <nano> How do i install stuff with jam?
[14:42:01] <nano> Have checked out the current source and compiled it.. but then?
[14:43:41] <sys2> nano, check the distro i think folder in the current tree
[14:43:46] <sys2> under there the compiled stuff is
[14:43:58] <sys2> dunno if you actualy can install the stuff with jam
[14:45:01] <nano> Sounds very strange ;)
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[14:47:14] <nano> Oh well.. i'll manage.
[14:51:00] <sys2> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/01/microsoft_antispyware.html
[14:51:15] <sys2> MS has done what we all wanted! :>
[14:51:37] <[Beta]> broken up ?
[14:53:55] <[Beta]> heh, "reinstall windows to get IE back" thats a laugh
[15:02:29] <nano> Ok. So I wan't to upgrade coreutils. The bin files should go to /bin -> /beos/bin .. is there any prefered place for the headers?
[15:03:00] <nano> The directory tree of beos seems a bit broken. Has anybody thought about cleaning this up? Or that is up to each user?
[15:03:04] <nano> ;)
[15:06:05] <[Beta]> look in /boot/develop ?
[15:06:53] <sys2> [Beta], but looking around that has to be a bogus site :P
[15:07:37] <[Beta]> sys2: yeah, like bedoper :(
[15:07:49] <[Beta]> shame.
[15:08:11] <[Beta]> anyone here looked at Worms_Armageddon_-_BeOS.zip ?
[15:08:40] <Kernel86> i have
[15:08:45] <[Beta]> any good?
[15:08:50] <Kernel86> yeah :)
[15:08:56] <Kernel86> thatsmy fav worms game
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[15:10:08] <nano> [Beta]: But still.. it's very strange. Binaries are everywhere.. /bin, ~/config/bin, /beos/develop/tools/gnupro/bin
[15:10:42] <nano> (I've installed BeOS MAX)
[15:11:20] <[Beta]> system, user, dev.
[15:11:35] <Kernel86> hmmm http://news.com.com/Maxell+Feel+free+to+bang+this+DVD+around/2100-1041_3-5543761.html?tag=nefd.top
[15:11:37] <[Beta]> though, I never liked the tree for /develop, the others i'm fine with.
[15:12:51] <nano> So if i install new coreutils i should put the binaries in /bin, the headers in /beos/dev..blabla and the manpages in where?
[15:13:03] <[Beta]> Kernel86: not snap- resistant though :)
[15:13:19] <[Beta]> nano: i'd keep it all in /develop
[15:13:41] <Kernel86> WTF, doesn't she look liek gates? http://news.com.com/Why+we+should+operate+.net/2008-1028_3-5542303.html?tag=nefd.ac
[15:13:56] <nano> ok.. but will i use the new binaries in that dir then? or will i have to remove the ones in /bin?
[15:14:17] <[Beta]> heh Kernel86, she does
[15:14:18] <nano> like cat and stuff..
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[15:15:11] <nano> Kernel86: Well well.. it seems like old bill has become a transvestite ;)
[15:15:25] <Kernel86> i'd say so lol
[15:15:34] <[Beta]> never remove, hopefully with PATH cascade, it should call them anyway
[15:18:07] <nano> Ok.. so I'll go with the /beos/develop/
[15:18:09] <Kernel86> i'm really debating what to install on the dual 500 p3 i have...
[15:18:17] <Kernel86> *550
[15:18:53] <nano> running beos under virtualpc is time consuming. Takes perhaps 20 minutes for an average configure script to run.
[15:18:59] <Kernel86> was gonna install BeOS on my p2-300... but now i dunno, i'd like a linux box to but now i'm stuck not installing either lol
[15:19:09] <nano> Really should find some x86 computer to run it on.
[15:19:55] <Kernel86> nano: it really wouldn't cost that much to put together a p2 or p3 system
[15:21:10] <nano> Nopes.. but I have a computer here but I don't like workstations. They look ugly in my appartment ;) The only PC i have is my server and it lives in a closet. ;)
[15:21:39] <Kernel86> :P
[15:21:55] <Kernel86> maybe go for a low end laptop then
[15:22:19] <Kernel86> or maybe even a low end powerbook ;)
[15:22:31] <nano> I'm on a G4 PowerBook. ;)
[15:22:38] <Kernel86> oy, gimme
[15:23:07] <nano> I wouldn't want to put the pain of running beos under virtualpc on you ;)
[15:24:08] <nano> Hmm.. that's it. I'm going to put together a workstation. Must have enough components somewhere.
[15:24:15] <Kernel86> i use to use beos on my laptop... that out not till there are a/g wifi cards i can easily obtain and use on it :(
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[15:47:53] <nano> Kernel86: ah.. there.. burning cd now ;)
[15:57:38] <nano> Strange.. i boot the cd and then the kernel crashes and says "No Shell"
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[16:03:29] <CIA-10> bonefish * current/src/kernel/libroot/os/arch/x86/ (get_stack_frame.S Jamfile): Added get_stack_frame().
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[16:17:06] <@mahlzeit> hi Methe
[16:17:30] <Methe> hola mahlzeit !
[16:17:33] <Methe> wazza ?
[16:17:35] <nano> Any ideas? That computer has run BeOS before. "No Shell" .. same with two diffrent cd's.
[16:18:54] <CIA-10> bonefish * current/src/kernel/libroot/os/arch/x86/get_stack_frame.S: It's already 2005, isn't it. :-)
[16:19:43] <@mahlzeit> lots of commits lately
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[16:26:46] <nano> Why oh why..
[16:27:35] <@mmu_man> tried safe mode nano ?
[16:27:46] <@mmu_man> and the other options in the boot loader ?
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[16:29:01] <Konrad77> nano what version of BeOS are you trying to install?
[16:33:08] <nano> bad cd
[16:33:32] <nano> turned on debug-console and it complained on reading.
[16:37:31] <matricks> mahlzeit: yeah.. nice isn't it
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[18:17:48] <agentmumu> do i need to run ./configure before running makehdimage
[18:18:01] <agentmumu> is there anything else beside jam that needs to be built first?
[18:18:19] <@mahlzeit> you only need to run ./configure once
[18:18:32] <@mahlzeit> so if you've recently done that, you're fine
[18:18:50] <agentmumu> i'm doing a fresh co for now
[18:18:57] <agentmumu> any special options for configure
[18:18:59] <agentmumu> ?
[18:19:25] <@mahlzeit> there are some options, but i don't think you need any
[18:19:36] <@mahlzeit> if you're curious, just check out the script, it documents the options
[18:20:29] <@mahlzeit> or type ./configure --help
[18:21:22] <agentmumu> target haiku is the standard option so i'll just try ./configure without any parameters, but first i'll have to wait for the extremely fast cvs checkout :)
[18:22:09] <@mahlzeit> did you specify -z3 (or what is it?)
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[18:22:49] <brennanOS> agentmumu: let me know if makehdimage works for you
[18:23:00] <agentmumu> oh i did just cvs -d:pserver..... co current
[18:23:11] <agentmumu> mahlzeit: is -z3 compression?
[18:23:15] <@mahlzeit> yes
[18:23:31] <agentmumu> oh, so i'll turn that on :)
[18:23:59] <@mahlzeit> it>	i think a larger number will work too, but i'm not sure how much of a difference it makes
[18:24:26] <agentmumu> hui, it's quite a bit faster now :)
[18:24:38] <@nathanw> makehdimage doesn't work here
[18:24:41] <@nathanw> It won't compile the kernel
[18:24:46] <@nathanw> complains of missing kernel.so
[18:24:48] <brennanOS> wont work here either
[18:25:00] <brennanOS> but it doesnt complain... just doesnt produce an image
[18:25:10] <@nathanw> And even when it would compile the kernel, it wouldn't produce something bootable
[18:25:21] <brennanOS> makes it hard to test things
[18:25:27] <agentmumu> ok, lets have a cigarette while waiting
[18:25:31] <agentmumu> oh, i forgot
[18:25:32] <@nathanw> yep
[18:25:53] <agentmumu> lets have a nicotin-chewing-gum
[18:26:06] <agentmumu> ah, better ;)
[18:27:27] <agentmumu> didn't axel mention a few days ago that kernel.so linking is fixed now?
[18:32:48] <brennanOS> The kernel built for me yesterday
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[18:48:15] <agentmumu> ok, makehdimage, lets see if it works
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[18:58:35] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/src/kits/interface/Window.cpp: Keyboard messages are dispached to BWindow's handler if no focus view
[19:00:11] <agentmumu> mount ('userlandfs', '/haiku', './haiku.image', 0, 'obfs', 5)
[19:00:19] <agentmumu> mounting failed: General OS error
[19:00:19] <agentmumu> hm
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[19:00:51] <agentmumu> do i have to create /haiku first?
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[19:11:02] <brennanOS> agentmumu: do you have that UserlandFFS thing running?
[19:11:12] <agentmumu> yes
[19:11:21] <agentmumu> i now tried with mounting the image by hand
[19:11:25] <brennanOS> hm.. yeah it wouldnt work for me either
[19:11:32] <brennanOS> well, did it create the image?
[19:11:35] <agentmumu> and it looked for a moment as if it worked
[19:11:54] <agentmumu> but then userlandfsserver crashed with a segmentation fault
[19:12:04] <agentmumu> brennanOS: it did create the image
[19:12:14] <agentmumu> but it didn't copy the files onto it
[19:15:34] <brennanOS> mine wont even create the image
[19:17:16] <agentmumu> ok, it would work
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[19:17:33] <agentmumu> but userlandfsserver dies with segmentation fault
[19:18:27] <agentmumu> who write the userlandfs?
[19:18:29] <agentmumu> wrote
[19:18:35] <tic> Ingo Reinhold?
[19:18:36] <tic> (bonefish)
[19:18:43] <tic> not quite sure though.
[19:18:52] <@mahlzeit> it>	i think that's right
[19:19:15] <@dr_evil> Weinhold
[19:19:24] <agentmumu> did i understand it right, that i have to start the server before running the makehdimage script
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[19:19:42] <agentmumu> and is it normal that i have two processes of userlandfsserver after running the script?
[19:21:34] <agentmumu> after the script mounts the image
[19:21:36] <agentmumu> it writes
[19:21:42] <agentmumu> Creating directory structure
[19:21:46] <agentmumu> Installing kernel modules
[19:21:49] <agentmumu> installing kernel
[19:21:52] <agentmumu> installing libraries
[19:21:54] <agentmumu> and after that
[19:22:06] <agentmumu> /bin/cp libbe.so: Bad port ID
[19:22:24] <agentmumu> /bin/cp libstd++.r4.so: General OS error
[19:22:48] <agentmumu> so this is the point where the userlandfsserver dies
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[19:49:52] <agentmumu> hm, looks like a race condition or a timing problem in userlandfsserver
[19:50:08] <agentmumu> if i a sleep 1 and sync after every copy
[19:50:35] <agentmumu> i get at least a few bins on the image before the userlandfsserver crashes
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[19:56:18] <@mahlzeit> well, i never used it so can't help you there
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[20:16:47] <agentmumu> wow, doing an image by hand is no fun
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[20:17:57] <CIA-10> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/ (nv_acc.c nv_acc_dma.c): added explicit clearing of the hashtable engine RAM. This sneaky thing won't get to me again: it keeps it's contents even over power-outages of upto say 15 seconds!!
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[20:19:09] <tic> teh voidref!
[20:19:15] <@voidref> teh tci!
[20:19:26] <tic> 'sup?
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[20:21:00] * tic tries again
[20:21:02] <tic> what's down?
[20:21:17] <agentmumu> ok i did mange to create an haiku image for now
[20:22:35] <DaaT> cool, that zeta screenshot tour
[20:23:42] <agentmumu> hehe, how do i get that image to my linux box now?
[20:25:04] <@mahlzeit> sneakernet
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[20:25:20] <DaaT> usb pen?
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[20:26:24] <agentmumu> does anyone has bochrc file to boot haiku from harddisk in bochs?
[20:26:29] <@mahlzeit> heh, even winnt is object oriented
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[20:26:58] <agentmumu> +a
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[20:30:12] <agentmumu> which cd burning app should i download?
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[20:32:45] <brennanOS> you need cdrtools I think its called
[20:32:54] <brennanOS> and there is a frontend to those
[20:33:06] <brennanOS> damned if I can remember the name of it
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[20:33:21] <fyy__> Helios
[20:33:26] <brennanOS> thats it
[20:34:09] <agentmumu> the problem with makehdimage - at least for me - is that the userlandfsserver crashes if operations on the image are comming in too fast
[20:34:53] <agentmumu> for example if i do:  cp * /haiku - while * are a few files
[20:34:58] <agentmumu> the server is crashing
[20:35:14] <agentmumu> if i copy each file one after another with the tracker
[20:35:19] <agentmumu> it doesn't crash
[20:36:01] <dr_evil_> so write an email to the author
[20:36:10] <dr_evil_> no one here can help you with that except him
[20:36:25] <agentmumu> i'll wait till he comes to #haiku
[20:37:05] <dr_evil_> he might be here on monday, 0:00
[20:37:15] <dr_evil_> he ususally isnt here
[20:37:30] <agentmumu> ok, then i'll write a mail ;)
[20:37:31] <@mahlzeit> isn't that tuesday?
[20:37:48] <dr_evil_> ok make that monday, 23:55
[20:38:28] <tic> I'm _so_ tempted to buy a 7" 800x480 touchscreen. :)
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[20:40:55] <@mahlzeit> what will you do with it, tic?
[20:41:18] <@mahlzeit> (except for touching it)
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[20:41:26] <_DaaT_> weird time to come in the chan....
[20:41:27] <dr_evil_> I'm more tempted to buay a 23" TFT without touch screen
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[20:41:41] <tic> mahlzeit, Main thing would be to use it as a monitor for the luggable I'm planning on building; might use it as a monitor for my media-box.
[20:42:09] <@mahlzeit> what is a luggable?
[20:42:14] <tic> mahlzeit, where luggable = my next system which I'm going to use, just happens built-in to a briefcase.
[20:42:21] <@mahlzeit> ahlzeit>	ah ok
[20:42:23] <tic> not portable, but luggable. something really heavy. :)
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[20:42:35] <@mahlzeit> like laptops from 10 years ago :-)
[20:42:38] <tic> something like that.
[20:42:44] <@mahlzeit> or portable phones
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[20:43:07] <tic> micro-atx, internal snap-on PSU, left-angle AGP-riser. the briefcase is 29x26 cm and 16 cm high.
[20:43:23] <@mahlzeit> might as well buy a mac mini :-)
[20:43:32] <tic> they don't have dual outputs :P
[20:43:34] <tic> (vga)
[20:44:13] <tic> Pentium M (Dothan) >= 1.7 GHz, NV34 graphics card w/ 2xVGA, 512M RAM, 40 GB Travelstar E7K60 (7200 RPM 2.5")
[20:44:37] <tic> I have some parts already, need to add mobo, cpu & ram. :)
[20:44:46] <_DaaT_> cool
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[20:45:55] <tic> so anyway. that briefcase is 10 cm from the bottom, and the top is roughly 6 cm deep.  The Lilliput 7" is 3.3 cm deep, 19 cm wide. So I can (hopefully) fit the AC-DC-bricks and the monitor in the "roof" of the briefcase. The bricks is a #2 priority.
[20:46:26] <brennanOS> I actually own a luggable
[20:46:30] <brennanOS> an 21 19:46:30 <brennanOS>	a Compaq
[20:46:36] <tic> (briefcase being 29 cm I have 10 spare cm.)
[20:46:38] <tic> ohh. :)
[20:46:39] <brennanOS> Portable III
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[20:53:39] <agentmumu> ah, axeld, do you know if haiku currently boots on qemu?
[20:53:47] <_DaaT_> axeld!
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[20:54:22] <agentmumu> because, after the black screen with the logo, the screen turns white and nothing happens
[20:55:32] <@axeld> Hi DaaT!
[20:55:52] <DaaT> how's it going?
[20:55:55] <@axeld> agentmumu: from when is your build?
[20:56:01] <@axeld> DaaT: so far so good
[20:56:06] <Methe> hiho BeWorld
[20:56:12] <DaaT> and how's the basement?
[20:56:19] <Methe> -Be+Haiku
[20:56:22] <agentmumu> axeld: today
[20:56:33] <@axeld> DaaT: haven't seen it in a while ;-)
[20:56:44] <@axeld> agentmumu: then you shouldn't have this problem :-)
[20:56:49] <@axeld> agentmumu: Bochs?
[20:56:57] <agentmumu> qemu
[20:57:11] <@axeld> agentmumu: what's happening on serial output?
[20:57:15] <@axeld> agentmumu: built with what?
[20:57:27] <agentmumu> build with olivers gcc
[20:57:30] <DaaT> no basement?
[20:57:34] <agentmumu> gut i had to build the image by hand
[20:57:36] * DaaT writes a breaking news story for ICO
[20:57:43] <agentmumu> because some bug in the userlandfsserver
[20:57:57] <agentmumu> so maybe i made some mistakes
[20:58:51] <@axeld> agentmumu: serial output should be able to tell you this - it should work on Qemu
[20:59:35] <@axeld> agentmumu: BTW you can also mount the image with BFS and call the script with the target directory as parameter - but you have to reboot then to be able to use that image (because of bugs in the BeOS cache)
[20:59:36] <agentmumu> ok .oO(so lets find out how to get the serial output)
[21:00:00] <agentmumu> axeld: argl, but thanks :)
[21:00:02] <@axeld> agentmumu: maybe it's just a serial log file you have to "tail"
[21:00:06] <dr_evil_> hi axeld
[21:00:10] <@axeld> Hey dr_evil_!
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[21:01:18] <tic> hey guys!
[21:01:29] <tic> is there a way of getting KeyDown() without subclassing?
[21:02:30] <AnEvilYak> yep
[21:02:34] <AnEvilYak> BMessageFilter on B_KEY_DOWN
[21:02:40] <@axeld> Hey AnEvilYak!
[21:02:48] <tic> Ah. I was actually thinking about that. I should've checked it up first. :P Thanks.
[21:03:00] <AnEvilYak> tic: and if you use the filter_func stuff you don't even have to subclass the message filter
[21:03:04] <AnEvilYak> hi axeld :)
[21:03:06] <@axeld> AnEvilYak: is it possible that the last Vision release (0.9.7-SF) is somewhat broken?
[21:03:09] <agentmumu> bootstrap_bootfs: no bootdir area found!
[21:03:10] <agentmumu> is this ok?
[21:03:14] <AnEvilYak> axeld: in what sense?
[21:03:20] <tic> AnEvilYak, nice. thanks.
[21:03:26] <agentmumu> qemu stops here:
[21:03:27] <agentmumu> found potential driver: /boot/beos/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/zero
[21:03:27] <agentmumu> lookup: "tty"
[21:03:27] <agentmumu> warning: device driver 0x802dd6c0 doesn't respect total length in read_pages() call!
[21:03:30] <agentmumu> warning: device driver 0x802dd6c0 doesn't respect total length in read_pages() call!
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[21:03:35] <tic> AnEvilYak, filter_func isn't in R5 though.
[21:03:42] <AnEvilYak> tic: no?
[21:03:52] <tic> not according to find|grep
[21:04:03] <AnEvilYak> tic
[21:04:04] <AnEvilYak> BMessageFilter(message_delivery delivery,
[21:04:04] 
[21:04:05] 
[21:04:08] <AnEvilYak> ^^ that.
[21:04:21] <AnEvilYak> actually
[21:04:24] <AnEvilYak> in your case you'd want:
[21:04:25] <AnEvilYak> BMessageFilter(message_delivery delivery,
[21:04:26] <@axeld> AnEvilYak: 1) it's main text view is very slow, 2) pressing "tab" at the start of a line doesn't add the ":" as advertised
[21:04:26] 
[21:04:27] 
[21:04:27] 
[21:04:29] <tic> you know, I opened up BMessageFilter the very second you said it. :)
[21:04:35] <@axeld> tic: you have to include MessageFilter.h
[21:04:38] <tic> but thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
[21:04:45] <AnEvilYak> axeld: textview speed shouldn't have changed at all.
[21:04:50] <tic> axeld, yeah.  But I did a recursive grep for filter_func, whereas it was filter_hook. :)
[21:04:53] <AnEvilYak> axeld: as for add :....will need to look
[21:05:04] <@voidref> tic, that is because you are narrow minded...
[21:05:06] <@voidref> ;)
[21:05:18] <tic> voidref, probably :P
[21:05:36] <@axeld> AnEvilYak: it's very slow, it feels like some sort of debug build
[21:05:40] <tic> voidref, either that, or that I've been at work every day for the last couple of weeks. Might be either.
[21:05:44] <AnEvilYak> axeld: I didn't build it...
[21:05:53] <AnEvilYak> axeld: someone else did, I don't have an R5 box to build with here.
[21:05:56] <fyy__> DaaT - and who will restore ICO after break?
[21:06:00] <@voidref> tic, I'd have to say the same about myself, for the last 2 years!
[21:06:06] <tic> voidref, whoo! :P
[21:06:11] <AnEvilYak> axeld: try compiling one from src please?
[21:07:05] <@voidref> axeld, it's problable the if(fUserName == "axeld") snooze(100000); checks
[21:07:42] <tic> actually, it seems easier to just subclass my column list view than messing with BMessageFilter; seems like the filter_hook gets /all/ messages sent throughout the system.
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[21:08:31] <AnEvilYak> tic: umm
[21:08:51] <AnEvilYak> tic: new BMessageFilter(B_ANY_DELIVERY, B_ANY_SOURCE, B_KEY_DOWN, yourhook) ?
[21:09:13] <tic> AnEvilYak, yeah. yourhook isn't introspected to see what BHandler I've set it to.
[21:09:15] <tic> or is it?
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[21:09:41] <tic> it looks like I have to check the value of the BHandler sent in to hook is.
[21:09:48] <tic> err, what it is.
[21:10:18] <AnEvilYak> tic: if you're only attaching it to one view, then you should only be getting it from that handler
[21:10:35] <AnEvilYak> tic: the reason the filter hook gets the handler pointer is so 1) it can check since you could pass the hook function to several filters..
[21:10:41] <AnEvilYak> and 2) so it can redirect the message by rewriting the handler pointer.
[21:10:42] <tic> AnEvilYak, err. Right. I wasn't thinking. :)
[21:10:46] <tic> yap.
[21:10:50] <tic> bah. :) Silly me.
[21:11:04] <tic> Anyway, because of a bug in BColumnListView I still have to subclass it, it seems :/
[21:11:06] <tic> thanks again.
[21:11:11] <AnEvilYak> np
[21:11:18] <AnEvilYak> tic: bug?
[21:11:23] <AnEvilYak> tic: maybe you're attaching to the wrong spot...
[21:11:31] <AnEvilYak> tic: you want to be attaching to the OutlineView for most things
[21:11:33] <tic> AnEvilYak, can't properly select >1 item at a time and then drag them.
[21:11:39] <AnEvilYak> oh.
[21:11:43] <tic> I'm not attaching anything at this point.
[21:12:18] <tic> also, have you done any drag'n'drop w/ BColumnListView? Haven't tried it yet, but it seems the only place to handle "drop indicators" is in BColumn.
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[21:14:36] <agentmumu> so testing haiku on real hardware should be quite easy actually
[21:14:41] <agentmumu> just create bfs partition
[21:15:00] <agentmumu> mount it and do a makehdimage /bfs_part
[21:15:20] <axeld_> agentmumu: exactly
[21:15:52] <axeld_> agentmumu: BTW I got disconnected, if you've said anything after "these are the last lines in qemu" - then I didn't hear it
[21:16:19] <axeld_> agentmumu: have you copied consoled to beos/bin/?
[21:16:31] <agentmumu> no, didn't say anything, but i did a new image, that i'll test now
[21:16:37] <tic> axeld_, d'you know of Xen?
[21:17:13] <agentmumu> hm, same problem
[21:17:14] <axeld_> agentmumu: good luck :)
[21:17:17] <axeld_> tic: yes
[21:17:21] <agentmumu> axeld_: too late ;)
[21:17:26] <tic> axeld_, another thing. VanderPool should just be to make it easier for apps to support virtualization, right? Like the other CPU:s have already done for ages .)
[21:17:41] <agentmumu> is that ok?
[21:17:42] <agentmumu> warning: device driver 0x802dd6c0 doesn't respect total length in read_pages() call!
[21:17:54] <agentmumu> maybe qemu is just to slow?
[21:18:38] <axeld_> agentmumu: no, that's okay
[21:19:09] <axeld_> agentmumu: so you used makehdimage this time?
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[21:19:19] <agentmumu> axeld_: yes
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[21:19:45] <pres589> howdy
[21:19:55] <axeld_> Hi pres589 :)
[21:20:11] <axeld_> agentmumu: strange, you run qemu under which system?
[21:20:13] <pres589> I've got a bit of a quandry
[21:20:32] <pres589> I'd like to know what DNS servers my Be boxen is using.  Is there an easy command to do so from the Terminal?
[21:20:38] <agentmumu> axeld_: i tried it under linux and windows
[21:20:41] <pres589> I'm using Dano at the moment
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[21:21:19] <axeld_> pres589: more /etc/resolv.conf
[21:21:29] <pres589> that's the funny part... resolv.conf is empty
[21:21:32] <tic> it's apparently empty.
[21:21:38] <pres589> 0:21:38 <pres589>	0 bytes in size
[21:21:41] <tic> pres589, have you set them up at all? or are you using dhcp?
[21:21:46] <pres589> going manual
[21:21:58] <axeld_> agentmumu: you could add some echo "something" >/dev/dprintf to the Bootscript
[21:22:03] <pres589> and it's definately working with the internet, I'm browsing bebits using net+ as we speak
[21:22:22] <tic> Wow, that's weird.
[21:22:34] <axeld_> agentmumu: btw in order not having to reboot after updating the image, you can use the copy_to_bfs_image command
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[21:23:09] <pres589> agreed.  I don't see an option in the Boneyard to set the DNS servers, and it's working, etc etc... I'm trying to help track some DNS/Packateer issues here on my campus, wanted a 2nd machine with a different OS than the first to check stuff out
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[21:23:31] <pres589> and my Be box is working better than my Windows box at this stuff.  So I'm wondering if it's looking at my router for a DNS or what
[21:23:47] <agentmumu> axeld_: yes - i have to reboot into windows everytime to get the image to my linux box
[21:24:46] <agentmumu> is there something like fdisk in beos, so i can create a new bfs partition?
[21:25:18] <agentmumu> btw: this is the image if someone else wants to try it as well: http://www.schmidp.com/public/misc/haiku.image.zip
[21:25:30] <axeld_> agentmumu: that's not what I meant - when you've built the image and have it mounted via BFS, the image is not likely to work until you reboot
[21:28:23] <agentmumu> axeld_: yes, but does this matter for me? (i do it like this, mount image, run script, unmount image, reboot into beos, copy it to fat32, reboot into windows, copy it to linux, run in qemu)
[21:29:11] <axeld_> agentmumu: the reboot into BeOS part - from what?
[21:29:36] <agentmumu> from beos
[21:30:13] <axeld_> agentmumu: see? that reboot is not necessary when you use copy_to_bfs_image or the userland FS server
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[21:30:29] <axeld_> agentmumu: BTW have you tried to run Bochs under BeOS? It's much easier (and much slower)
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[21:31:20] <agentmumu> axeld_: do you have a bochsrc for me, i'm not familiar with bochs
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[21:33:25] <axeld_> agentmumu: sure, I am just not sure if DCC will work, lemme try
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[21:34:21] <axeld_> agentmumu: doesn't seem to work
[21:34:44] <axeld_> agentmumu: but I can send it to you by mail
[21:34:54] <agentmumu> that would be great
[21:34:58] <agentmumu> schmidp at schmidp dot com
[21:36:00] <agentmumu> is there something like fdisk in beos, so i can create a new bfs partition?
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[21:37:42] <agentmumu> axeld_: got it
[21:37:56] <axeld_> agentmumu: you mean on an image?
[21:38:24] <axeld_> agentmumu: what networking card do you have anyway?
[21:38:31] <agentmumu> no, on real harddisk to try haiku on real hardware
[21:38:46] <axeld_> agentmumu: there is the DriveSetup preferences application
[21:39:10] <agentmumu> axeld_: realtek8139
[21:39:34] <axeld_> agentmumu: I am pretty sure there are drivers for this one available
[21:39:52] <agentmumu> but there is no scp for net_server
[21:40:48] <axeld_> agentmumu: sure there is
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[21:41:53] <agentmumu> really? have to check this
[21:42:22] <agentmumu> so in a few seconds i can tell you where bootscript stoppt :)
[21:43:47] <agentmumu> registrar or syslog_daemon seem to be the problem
[21:46:17] <agentmumu> ah, there is no ssh2 for net_server, but you are right there is ssh 1 with scp for it
[21:46:21] <agentmumu> great :)
[21:48:41] <brennanOS> maybe I'll see if I can get that image made, myself
[21:48:57] <agentmumu> damn
[21:49:00] <agentmumu> scp
[21:49:14] <agentmumu> sh: /boot/home/config/bin/scp: Missing library
[21:49:34] <axeld_> agentmumu: double click it in Tracker, or open it via "open scp"
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[21:49:46] <axeld_> agentmumu: then you'll see what's missing - most probably libdl.so
[21:50:19] <agentmumu> libsocket.so
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[21:51:28] <agentmumu> the installer said "works on r5 and bone"
[21:52:01] <axeld_> agentmumu: then it has probably copied the wrong one...
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[21:54:31] <agentmumu> ok, found a working one
[21:54:55] <axeld_> agentmumu: BTW the image I downloaded from you works fine under Bochs
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[21:55:22] <axeld_> agentmumu: earlier versions also worked with Qemu, so I am not sure what's causing this
[21:59:06] <agentmumu> i'll try it on bebochs now
[21:59:48] <axeld_> agentmumu: I'll try Qemu later again
[22:01:35] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/headers/private/app/ServerProtocol.h: Added two constants for app_server internal communication
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[22:03:54] <agentmumu> axeld_: btw, my qemu version is 0.6.1 with softmmu
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[22:04:20] <axeld_> agentmumu: Dunno, I think I had the same
[22:05:07] <agentmumu> axeld_: is it ok for haiku to boot from secondary master (real hardware) from a 2gb bfs partition?
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[22:06:03] <agentmumu> i just tried and it instandly resets the hardware
[22:06:41] <axeld_> agentmumu: I boot it here from a 10 GB secondary master, so I guess it is
[22:07:02] <axeld_> agentmumu: but it doesn't have to work on your system, it's currently picky about that (the boot loader, that is)
[22:07:19] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/Desktop.cpp: Moved 'Invalidate' calls in RootLayer.
[22:09:26] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/RootLayer.h: Added 2 private methods for showing/hiding WinBorders. Added a BLocker member.
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[22:13:20] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/RootLayer.cpp: Moved window moving code from ServerWindow. CPU consuming operations now run win WorkingThread's context. Added locking mechanism for WorkingThread. Removed locking arround ServerWindow::SendMessageToClient().
[22:15:35] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/ServerApp.cpp: No need to lock anymore when calling ServerWindow::SendMessageToClient()
[22:16:35] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/ (WinBorder.cpp Workspace.cpp): No need to lock anymore when calling ServerWindow::SendMessageToClient()
[22:18:45] <CIA-10> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/ServerWindow.cpp: Window showing/hiding is now done in RootLayer::WorkingThread's context
[22:21:55] <agentmumu> axeld_: do you have an idea why bochs won't log to serialout.txt?
[22:22:03] <agentmumu> i even touched the file in the bochs dir
[22:22:16] <axeld_> agentmumu: yes, seems the BeOS port is broken
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[22:22:43] <@axeld_> agentmumu: you can enable the bochs debug emulation using "configure" and then activate it in the kernel settings file
[22:23:08] <@mmu_man> axeld_ you back from kung fu too ? :)
[22:23:19] <agentmumu> because i again only get a white screen
[22:23:35] <agentmumu> that's wired because you said the image worked for you...
[22:24:04] <@mmu_man> or kung foo maybe ? http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/28f4/
[22:24:07] * mmu_man does both
[22:24:55] <@axeld_> mmu_man: no I don't do kung fu (watching Shaolin Soccer is enough for me :)))
[22:25:01] <@mmu_man> eh
[22:25:15] <@axeld_> agentmumu: it's definitely working, yes
[22:25:19] <_DaaT_> cute film axeld_
[22:25:37] <@axeld_> _DaaT_: definitely :)
[22:26:02] <@mmu_man> still didn't watch it entirely
[22:26:22] <ShackaN> well, now that the chinese started making hollywood-like movies, I don't like it that much
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[22:26:33] <ShackaN> me neither
[22:27:10] * mmu_man pets CTHD
[22:27:37] <agentmumu> axeld_: does consoled need the registrar or syslog_daemon?
[22:28:20] <@axeld_> agentmumu: no, you can comment out both if you want
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[22:28:33] <@mmu_man> axeld_ btw, sent Oliver the qemu diffs, but he didn't have much luck, it seems it's very picky on gcc
[22:28:39] <@mmu_man> even gcc4 bails on it :)
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[22:29:17] <@mmu_man> from ffmpeg-devel:
[22:29:19] <@mmu_man> >	 > > the gcc team is made up of complete idiots, and keeps introducing
[22:29:19] <@mmu_man> >	 > > bugs
[22:29:20] <@mmu_man> >	 > > like this in almost every release. see michael's signature and the
[22:29:21] <@mmu_man> >	 > > thread it refers to in the gcc bug tracker. they're really quite
[22:29:21] <@mmu_man> >	 > > hopelessly stupid.
[22:29:22] <@mmu_man> Jan 21 21:29:22 <@mmu_man>
[22:29:22] <@mmu_man> Hmm, right, it seems to be hopeless.
[22:29:23] <@mmu_man> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11203
[22:29:30] <@mmu_man> =)
[22:29:47] <@axeld_> mmu_man: damn
[22:29:58] <DaaT> nice words...
[22:31:41] <@mmu_man> axeld_ I'll try various -O in case one works
[22:31:46] <@mmu_man> that did the trick for ffmpeg
[22:31:49] <@axeld_> mmu_man: But I agree with Andrew Pinski: "Why do people write inline-asm like this?"
[22:32:08] <@mmu_man> cause they can :)
[22:32:17] <@mmu_man> it's even a gcc extention...
[22:32:28] <@mmu_man> well if gcc can't cope up with its own stuff. =)
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[22:37:13] * fyy__ wonders if font face and font style are "orthogonal"
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[22:38:38] <fyy__> e.g. if family Times contains Times Roman Italic, will Font.SetFace(B_BOLD_FACE) automatically take that "style"
[22:39:14] <agentmumu> axeld_: i'll continue studing this chemistry book, thanks for the help
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[22:43:33] <@mmu_man> fyy__ I recall playing with Faces in xemacs, but I don't remember what it did
[22:43:52] <@mmu_man> I think it selects the first style that conforms
[22:44:15] <@mmu_man> like styles can have names like Normal, Regular, ... for the same regular face
[22:45:08] <@mmu_man> not sure in R5, but in dano you can BFont::PrintToStream()
[22:45:27] <@mmu_man> easy to do some test prog
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[22:49:03] <@axeld_> agentmumu: how fast is your BeOS system?
[22:49:33] <agentmumu> athlon xp 1900+ clocked at 1200 mhz
[22:50:15] <DaaT> underclocked? why?
[22:50:21] <severus> <looks embarassed, thinking of his own system>
[22:50:41] <agentmumu> DaaT: doesn't run stable at the normal clockspeed
[22:50:53] <DaaT> bummer
[22:51:01] <agentmumu> but i don't care :)
[22:51:04] <agentmumu> fast enough
[22:51:16] <agentmumu> (most of the time)
[22:51:28] <@axeld_> agentmumu: maybe you should reduce the ips setting in Bochs a bit then. BTW it takes several seconds until the prompt appear in Bochs
[22:51:46] <agentmumu> i gave bochs serveral minutes :)
[22:52:17] <@axeld_> agentmumu: well, it shouldn't take that long :)
[22:52:29] <@axeld_> agentmumu: so what did you see on the output?
[22:54:40] <@axeld_> agentmumu: have you removed the registrar and syslog_daemon from the Bootscript?
[22:55:12] <agentmumu> yes, i did remove them
[22:55:30] <agentmumu> and put a echo "blub" >/dev/dprintf
[22:55:46] <agentmumu> after the line where consoled stats
[22:55:56] <agentmumu> i see that blub
[22:56:01] <agentmumu> and then nothing happens
[22:56:12] <agentmumu> it just need a lot cpu time
[22:57:11] <agentmumu> before commenting out registrar and syslog_daemon, it stopped somewhere before consoled (didn't get that blub) but after <something>clock
[22:58:14] <@axeld_> agentmumu: that's strange
[22:58:30] <fyy__> thanks mmu_man. It is not actual for current patch in preparation, but next will include all that font tricks investigations
[22:58:36] <@mmu_man> hate ppl not answering mail
[22:58:37] <@axeld_> agentmumu: can you do a "sysinfo > /dev/dprintf"?
[22:59:02] <@mmu_man> I sent the author of bash_completion a whole seta_completion contrib, and a fix for p4 to cache the help
[22:59:04] <agentmumu> axeld_: ok i'll try that
[22:59:13] <@mmu_man> no anwser and that was 6 months ago
[22:59:29] <@mmu_man> fyy__ ah nice
[23:00:04] <@axeld_> mmu_man: what is bash_completion?
[23:00:13] <@mmu_man> ok, 3 months
[23:00:23] <@mmu_man> axeld_ http://www.caliban.org/bash/index.shtml
[23:00:36] <@mmu_man> really nice stuff for bash 2.05b +
[23:00:54] <@axeld_> mmu_man: just send him again
[23:00:58] <@mmu_man> like ping loca[TAB]
[23:01:16] <@mmu_man> axeld_ I'll just have to reapply to the new release
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[23:01:35] <@bonefish> Howdy!
[23:01:40] <@mmu_man> I hate having to port ports :)
[23:01:43] <@mmu_man> plop bonefish
[23:02:24] <dr_evil_> hi bonefish!
[23:02:27] <@mmu_man> bonefish btw about flock, there is a nice trick to avoid having to use dfferent close() and dup2() ...
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[23:02:39] <@mmu_man> well I hope it works for dup2 since it's not weak
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[23:02:52] <@bonefish> mmu_man: Tell me.
[23:03:02] <agentmumu> bonefish: hi, i have a problem with your userlandfs
[23:03:16] <@bonefish> agentmumu: Damn! :-)
[23:03:19] <CIA-10> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/arch/x86/arch_x86.S: The top-level stack frame now clears %ebp to mark the end.
[23:03:22] <@mmu_man> close(int fd) { yourstuff(fd); return __close(fd);
[23:03:23] <@mmu_man> }
[23:03:29] <agentmumu> the server segfaults if copy files "to fast" on a mounted image
[23:03:41] <@mmu_man> close is a weak alias for __close in libroot
[23:03:41] <@axeld_> Hi bonefish!
[23:03:49] <agentmumu> for example: cp * /image (* beeing a few files) -> crashes the server
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[23:04:07] <@bonefish> agentmumu: In BFS code?
[23:04:09] <@mmu_man> now dup2 is not weak, but it just jumps to a syscall so it's easy to copy that
[23:04:22] <agentmumu> copying them with the tracker, or one by one doesn't crash the server
[23:04:41] <@bonefish> agentmumu: Do you have a stack crawl?
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[23:05:21] <@mmu_man> bonefish I'll make a driver to handle fcntl() locking anyway I think since samba doesn't want flock cause it's not range-based
[23:05:46] <@mmu_man> now if only they could have agree on the semantics
[23:06:27] <@bonefish> mmu_man: fcntl() locking is POSIX standardized, isn't it?
[23:06:28] <brennanOS> I cant get the makehdimage script to work, and the boot floppy image, 'ls' doesnt work
[23:06:30] <agentmumu> bonefish: no, not yet, but i'll do that later
[23:06:33] <@mmu_man> flock() is deleted on last close and inherited by fork, fcntl() is deleted on 1st closed of any fd on the node, and nto inherited on frk
[23:06:41] <@mmu_man> bonefish yep
[23:07:28] <@bonefish> mmu_man: OK, incompatibility between flock() and fcntl(). Well, that's right.
[23:07:34] <@mmu_man> http://www.npcguild.org/cgi-bin/manpage?fcntl&2
[23:07:43] <@mmu_man> This interface follows the completely stupid semantics of System V and       IEEE Std 1003.1-1988 (``POSIX.1'')
[23:07:47] <@mmu_man> :D
[23:08:06] <tic> Interesting! http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cells/Cell4.html
[23:08:08] <agentmumu> axeld: query
[23:08:19] <tic> Cell might end up being a pretty nifty CPU.
[23:08:32] <tic> (or rather, CPU Collection.)
[23:08:46] <@mmu_man> I'll try and add a generic lock stuff in zeta so I can handle all caset, and maybe fcntl() with ranges but the better semantic of flock() (del on last close + fork)
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[23:09:17] <@mmu_man> for now I just used the weak trick in libmoreposix to return 0 to samba to make it happy
[23:09:20] <@mmu_man> btu it crashes
[23:10:32] <@mmu_man> vlc "Enigma - Mea Culpa.asf" (asf suxor though)
[23:12:12] <tic> who cares about samba? fix NFS! :P
[23:13:52] <@mmu_man> fix what ?
[23:13:54] <@mmu_man> NFS works here
[23:14:25] <@mmu_man> and I just need a portmapper to get http://unfs3.sourceforge.net/ running
[23:15:29] <tic> it's extremely slow. :)
[23:16:33] <tic> "If over clocked sufficiently (over 3.0GHz) and using some very optimised code (SSE assembly), 5 dual core Opterons directly connected via HyperTransport should be able to achieve a similar level of performance in stream processing - as a single Cell."
[23:16:36] <tic> *drool*
[23:17:04] <@mmu_man> I didn't find it slow
[23:17:13] <tic> I do. and it often hangs.
[23:17:16] * brennanOS hands tic a napkin
[23:17:16] <tic> :/
[23:17:20] <tic> brennanOS, thanks. :)
[23:17:23] <brennanOS> sure
[23:17:27] <@mmu_man> it doesn't hang here
[23:17:34] <@mmu_man> you probably don't have the fixed version :p
[23:17:42] 
[23:17:47] <brennanOS> Hey, can you guys fill me in on what platform/tools you use to work on, build and test Haiku?
[23:18:02] <@mmu_man> the one on bebits has a bug which makes it lose some packets and stales transactions, so some apps juct lock up
[23:18:04] <brennanOS> obviously cvs, jam and gcc.. but other than that
[23:18:18] <tic> mmu_man, that's exactly what happens.
[23:18:29] <tic> mmu_man, private query.
[23:18:45] <tic> brennanOS, the openbeos-ld.
[23:18:52] <brennanOS> yeah
[23:18:53] <@mmu_man> that I fixed way ago :p
[23:19:05] <brennanOS> tic: but you do the development on BeOS?
[23:19:11] <brennanOS> tic: well, obviously I guess
[23:19:13] <tic> brennanOS, yes, of course.
[23:19:23] <tic> brennanOS, actually, it's the only way (basically).
[23:19:28] <brennanOS> yeah, true
[23:19:30] <tic> mmu_man, mooo.
[23:19:33] <tic> mmu_man, gimme!
[23:19:38] <@axeld> brennanOS: you mean like "Bochs"?
[23:19:46] <brennanOS> axeld: yeah
[23:19:52] <@mmu_man> http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/private/NFS_for_BONE.zip
[23:19:57] <tic> thanks!
[23:19:58] <brennanOS> axeld: I cant seem to get makehdimage to make me an image...
[23:19:59] <@mmu_man> wonder why it's in private either
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[23:20:48] <@mmu_man> axeld I'd put it in cvs, but we don't have a working netstack usable from kernel, do we ?
[23:21:20] <@mmu_man> tic also, disable the volume usage bars in Tracker
[23:21:27] <tic> mmu_man, okay. I have none.
[23:21:27] <@mmu_man> nfs doesn't cache anything atm
[23:21:42] <@mmu_man> and Tracker stat() the fs 5 tiems/sec at least
[23:21:44] <tic> or hm, I have.  But I have the "Disks" icon, so they never show.
[23:21:46] <@mmu_man> so it floods teh net
[23:22:06] <@mmu_man> not sure if it stats in that case
[23:22:46] <tic> probably doesn't..
[23:23:49] <tic> night.
[23:23:51] <tic> *Zzz*
[23:25:57] <@mmu_man> well just tcpdump and you'l see :)
[23:26:07] <@mmu_man> tic tell me if it works for you
[23:26:42] <tic> no stating.
[23:26:47] <tic> except for IRC, of course.
[23:26:56] <tic> so it looks good.
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[23:30:29] <CIA-10> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/DriverInterface.h:
[23:30:29] <CIA-10> 2D acc milestone reached: NV11 DMA is now up and running!! Oh, there are still a
[23:30:29] <CIA-10> few limitations: don't use overlay, don't use 800x600x8 bit mode, and don't work
[23:30:29] <CIA-10> longer than it takes to get the DMA buffer totally filled up. (switching between
[23:30:29] <CIA-10> workspaces with different settings resets the engine and the 'timer' starts
[23:30:30] <CIA-10> anew...
[23:30:32] <CIA-10> General note: learn how nVidia's hardware hashtable implementation works!!
[23:31:45] <@mmu_man> tic ok, I recall being able to play divx from nfs with that
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[23:34:13] <tic> mmu_man, it locks up often.
[23:34:23] <tic> or rather, stalls.
[23:34:26] <@mmu_man> the fixed one ?
[23:34:29] <tic> yeah.
[23:34:35] <@mmu_man> it shouldn't
[23:34:38] <tic> 3c905, dual cel 533.
[23:34:40] <tic> bone7a
[23:35:01] <@mmu_man> bout  the same here
[23:35:05] <@mmu_man> tulip
[23:35:17] <tic> annoying.
[23:35:20] <tic> maybe it's my nic.
[23:35:23] <@mmu_man> don't have an nfs server atm to test
[23:35:27] <tic> ah
[23:35:39] <@mmu_man> but I ecall it worked perfectly
[23:35:43] <tic> well, might be getting a new system in a while, so then it'll probably work better.
[23:35:47] <@mmu_man> are you sure you use the new bin ? :)
[23:35:51] <tic> yes, I do. :)
[23:36:12] <tic> I got no stalls on a Pentium 3-500 w/ Intel EtherExpress PRO 10/100 MiniPCI (laptop), even with the previous version.
[23:36:22] <Fanskapet> well well now time to hit the pillow.. nite guys
[23:36:23] <tic> could play mpeg movies without stalls. now they keep appearing.
[23:36:30] <tic> night Fanskapet
[23:36:42] <tic> dunno if it's either the 3C905 (vs. eepro100) or the Dual Celeron 533.
[23:36:45] <tic> anyway. *Zzz
[23:36:56] <@mmu_man> I'll make a new build tomorrow
[23:37:00] <@mmu_man> remind me
[23:37:05] <tic> okay, I'll try to. :P
[23:37:11] <tic> I might not be at home tomorrow, actualy...
[23:37:13] <tic> but the day after.
[23:37:29] <tic> thanks!
[23:37:35] <tic> now, I _really_ am going to sleep.
[23:40:08] <@mmu_man> are you ? :p
[23:44:34] <brennanOS> I dare you to go to sleep
[23:45:04] * dr_evil needs to work tomorrow
[23:45:47] <brennanOS> I get to shovel snow tonight
[23:57:38] <@axeld> http://www.opentracker.be/
[23:57:45] <@axeld> freshly acquired
[23:59:46] <DaaT> night
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