[00:00:03] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku [00:00:17] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC [00:02:42] <dr_evil> ohh nooooo, Ingo modified OS.h [00:03:28] <sys2> now we have to erase all source code of haiku fromall computers in the world and start all over again? :/ [00:03:45] <ShackaN> hope not.. [00:03:57] <w-ber> easily done than said [00:03:59] <dr_evil> sys2 you don't understand the implications of touching OS.h obviously [00:04:10] <sys2> nope :> [00:04:12] <w-ber> please illuminate us, dr_evil [00:04:19] <sys2> just revert it to the prior version ? :> [00:08:14] <@mmu_man> dr_evil just jam and go to bed [00:08:20] <@mmu_man> hopefully by tomorrow it'll be done =) [00:08:37] * mmu_man touched OS.h once [00:08:49] <sys2> "toutch OS.h" [00:08:56] <sys2> touch [00:09:04] <DaaT> perv [00:09:07] <@mmu_man> sh: toutch: command not found [00:09:11] <sys2> yeah :/ [00:09:13] <sys2> touch [00:09:18] <sys2> my english sux0rs :> [00:09:33] <sys2> en my left eye itches like hell :/ [00:09:45] <dr_evil> Revision 1.39, that means it has already been touched 38 times [00:09:56] <@mmu_man> DaaT hey perv [00:09:58] <sys2> and i cant find the "collection" angles of PT204-6C :/ [00:10:07] <@mmu_man> Cannot find the application (perv) [00:10:08] <@mmu_man> damn [00:10:15] <DaaT> :) [00:10:22] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku [00:10:33] <sys2> anyone happend to know it? :> [00:10:33] * dr_evil touched it three times [00:10:47] * DaaT calls the cops [00:11:33] *** RageMax has joined #haiku [00:13:17] <dr_evil> hey Terminal set Workspaces of Window 0 to 65535 [00:13:45] <sys2> 0xFFFF [00:13:47] <@mmu_man> -1 usually is enough [00:14:24] <dr_evil> sys2 no that doesn't work [00:14:36] <@mmu_man> DaaT no need, Mickael Jakson isn't involved [00:14:43] <@mmu_man> -1 does work [00:15:13] <@geist> ingo messed up something? [00:15:18] <dr_evil> yes because its not hex [00:15:19] <@geist> ist> is this something that happens regularly? [00:15:52] <dr_evil> well geist, he didn't mess something up. but OS.h is included bny neraly everything, so jam decides to rebuild all dependecies [00:16:11] <@geist> and? [00:17:04] <dr_evil> that takes an awful lot of time [00:17:21] <@geist> really? [00:17:27] <@geist> ohhh yeah I forget, you guys are building on beos [00:17:36] <@geist> so it's gonna be fuckin slow [00:18:09] <@mmu_man> lol [00:18:30] * mmu_man still has to get rid of that global lock in dosfs [00:19:31] <@mmu_man> now that LOCK(ns->vol); everywhere really deserves beos [00:19:45] <@mmu_man> no wonder why ppl complain about choppy divx [00:19:51] <@mmu_man> (baaad pirates !) [00:20:15] <Trevor1> AheaHhahe aheHahHEAHa [00:20:22] <Trevor1> There are legal video files [00:20:30] <@geist> which dosfs are you talking about? [00:20:31] <Trevor1> I think [00:20:38] <@geist> ist> is it the one from be? [00:21:13] <@geist> that driver was always a bit of a turd. no one really spent too much time on it. it was tossed together in a couple of weeks [00:21:16] <@mmu_man> geist both [00:21:35] <@mmu_man> I merged things from (and to) haiku's version which got fixes from dr_evil [00:21:52] <@mmu_man> geist I nearly guessed that [00:21:56] <@mmu_man> it's really hairy [00:22:05] <@mmu_man> and hard to follow [00:22:31] <@mmu_man> there is some vnid cache with a multi-r/single-w lock [00:22:45] <@mmu_man> which is useless as it's always accessed with the volume lock held anyway :D [00:22:57] <@geist> right a lot of the complexity is because the vnode id cache [00:23:00] <@mmu_man> and it can only do a single read at a time [00:23:03] <@mmu_man> yep [00:23:12] <@mmu_man> because of bad fs design [00:23:25] <@mmu_man> and M$ dares patent that and ask for royalties =) [00:23:55] <@geist> well, more because it's totally incompatible with the beos persistent vnode id thing [00:24:19] <@geist> otherwise you could make a decent implementation [00:25:03] <@mmu_man> well I'm not sure I see any other way for unixish stuff... [00:25:16] <@mmu_man> oh well linux has those dentry stuff [00:25:30] <@mmu_man> it doesn't ref the inode after it's put() [00:25:37] <@mmu_man> so it can use another id, can it ? [00:25:39] <@geist> sure, if you allow recycling of inode ids, it's a lot simpler [00:27:07] <@mmu_man> talking about fs, did you see googlefs ?</selfad> [00:27:12] <@geist> nope [00:27:24] <@geist> though if it [00:27:34] <@geist> if it's what I think it is, I know one of the guys that worked on it [00:27:42] <@mmu_man> http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/shot_googlefs_006.png [00:27:51] <@mmu_man> hmm no it's not gmailfs [00:27:54] <@geist> oh this is somethign else [00:28:11] <@mmu_man> on linux there is gmailfs to use gmail as a drive using FUSE [00:28:18] *** KonradLaptop has joined #haiku [00:28:20] <CIA-6> darkwyrm * current/src/kits/interface/Font.cpp: Implemented a lot of the client side functions [00:28:45] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [00:29:01] <@mmu_man> this one just fakes a volume with a nice queriable live bookmark of 8 058 044 651. entries :) [00:29:08] <@geist> yeah [00:29:31] <CIA-6> darkwyrm * current/headers/private/app/ServerProtocol.h: Added codes to go along with the client-side BFont functions [00:29:39] <@mmu_man> http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/googlefs-test-bin.zip if you still have a beos box around [00:29:43] <@mmu_man> req BONE though [00:30:04] <@mmu_man> though it can probably be built with ksocketd as I have a compatibility header [00:30:43] <@mmu_man> latest version has working utf8 support :) [00:31:42] <@mmu_man> http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/shot_googlefs_007.png [00:33:22] <Methe_> GO DARKWYRM GO [00:33:37] <@mmu_man> should be possible to do that in linux using mkdir() instead of open_query(), but it's less elegant :) [00:34:08] <KonradLaptop> mmu_man is pearPC fast? [00:34:19] <@mmu_man> KonradLaptop slow to boot [00:34:21] <@mmu_man> but then it's usable [00:34:38] <KonradLaptop> Ah ok, hard to install? [00:34:59] <@mmu_man> not much, just need a disk image [00:35:07] <@mmu_man> and edit configu file [00:35:12] <KonradLaptop> Ah ok [00:36:10] * dr_evil is having *SOME* trouble building a dvb.media_addon [00:39:42] *** Loppan has quit IRC [00:41:36] <@mmu_man> http://freshmeat.net/releases/184753/ [00:41:40] <@mmu_man> todo++; [00:41:52] <@mmu_man> dr_evil like? [00:43:58] <dr_evil> like it's all a big mess, to include mpeg decoder, and map the timing somehow [00:44:23] *** KonradLaptop has quit IRC [00:44:24] <@mmu_man> ahh media stuff is always about timing [00:44:56] <@mmu_man> can't you just use the decoder node ? [00:46:39] <dr_evil> no, because it doesn't support mpeg2 and ac3 at all [00:46:59] <@mmu_man> oh wel I can get you mpeg2 [00:47:08] <@mmu_man> ffmpeg does that, just need to add the 4CC [00:47:17] <@mmu_man> for AC3 it needs to GPL the stuff though [00:47:27] <@mmu_man> well you have the haiku version though :) [00:47:48] <dr_evil> I know, I guess can't release the DVB stuff at all [00:48:47] <@mmu_man> now I think a good MIT ac3 decoder is needed :) [00:49:22] <@mmu_man> I should get back to my DSP courses :) [00:49:24] <dr_evil> but I'll be able to make a video of it :) [00:50:20] <@mmu_man> actually, with ffmpeg you should be able to grab the audio from it, and play it back decoded live :) [00:50:31] <@mmu_man> hmm if the beosaudio is not beokrn but I thin it is [00:50:42] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku [00:51:35] <dr_evil> I have some stuff that demultiplxes audio, video and PCR (clock) [00:51:51] <dr_evil> still need to properly extract the timing from the stream [00:52:00] <@mmu_man> does it carray any other stream ? teletext, html ?) [00:52:15] <@mmu_man> could be ncie [00:52:36] <@mmu_man> I think you germans use teletext a lot [00:52:44] <@mmu_man> like we french use minitel :) [00:52:53] <dr_evil> yes it does [00:53:12] <dr_evil> has EPG and all that stuff [00:53:30] <@mmu_man> :) [00:54:33] <@mmu_man> ok, time to unmount /brain [00:54:37] <@mmu_man> zzz [00:55:14] *** mmu_man has quit IRC [01:08:45] *** BGA has quit IRC [01:14:28] *** ablyss has joined #haiku [01:25:53] * dr_evil is watching Super Size Me [01:29:43] *** ablyss has quit IRC [01:30:21] <dr_evil> McDonalds has a 50% Coupon deal in germany right now, you can even print them yourself (!) http://www.mcdonalds.de/worlds/01/bb05_4/mcd_bonusbuch.pdf [01:31:53] <dr_evil> ah well, time to ZZZzzzzz and dream of BigMac... 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[09:04:26] *** Potn has joined #haiku [09:43:44] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku [09:59:42] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku [10:08:45] *** thies has quit IRC [10:13:08] *** thies has joined #haiku [10:13:17] *** Potn has quit IRC [10:14:47] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku [10:14:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man [10:20:10] *** Karina`` has quit IRC [10:20:31] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku [10:39:45] *** Trevor1 has quit IRC [10:43:50] *** thaflo has joined #haiku [10:44:07] <w-ber> http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/1/15/164 [10:52:56] *** Trevor1 has joined #haiku [11:12:35] *** dipp has joined #haiku [11:15:33] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c: added 2D_surface command engine defines and FIFO channel assignment: used for setting buffer colorspace, location and pitch later on. [11:15:45] <dipp> website is back \0/ [11:17:30] [11:17:39] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/ (DriverInterface.h nv_acc.h): added 2D_surface command defines (for DMA use at first). 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[12:51:12] <CIA-6> laplace * current/src/add-ons/print/drivers/shared/libprint/ (JobSetupDlg.cpp PageSetupDlg.cpp): Increased window size to fit all controls. [12:56:41] *** Racer__X has joined #haiku [13:01:43] <CIA-6> laplace * current/src/add-ons/print/drivers/pcl6/ (DeltaRowCompression.h DeltaRowCompression.cpp): Implemented Delta Row Compression. [13:02:28] <CIA-6> laplace * current/src/add-ons/print/drivers/pcl6/ (6 files): Replaced jetlib. [13:05:12] *** Begasus has quit IRC [13:06:25] *** Begasus has joined #haiku [13:07:07] <TLF> nyone wants a gmail account? [13:10:45] *** thaflo has joined #haiku [13:15:47] *** badonaway_ has joined #haiku [13:19:54] *** Methe has joined #haiku [13:21:15] *** badonaway_ has quit IRC [13:49:32] *** lordcoxis has joined #haiku [13:51:58] *** mmu_man has quit IRC [13:59:19] * tqh likes make;beep [14:02:25] *** badonaway_ has joined #haiku [14:03:26] *** fyysik has joined #haiku [14:03:57] *** TLF has quit IRC [14:07:23] *** Potn has joined #haiku [14:17:44] *** seraph has joined #haiku [14:18:02] <seraph> question for you all, whats the best way to experience beos at the moment? [14:18:17] <seraph> the MAX distribution? [14:20:38] <thaflo> developer edition [14:20:46] <thaflo> posted some days bevr [14:20:51] <thaflo> on bebits.com [14:21:12] <thaflo> but its illegal [14:21:25] <thaflo> the PE you find on bebits.com, too [14:21:32] <thaflo> this one is legal [14:21:41] <seraph> how is the dev edition illegal? [14:22:10] <seraph> not taht I care, since I live in Malaysia, and XP is available for USD 1 by the sides of roads [14:22:16] <seraph> still, it'd be nice to know :P [14:25:31] <seraph> thaflo: ? [14:28:27] *** aerie has joined #haiku [14:33:24] <thaflo> it's illegal, because its an extended beos PE [14:33:52] <thaflo> and patching and extending the PE is forbidden by the BeOS license [14:34:14] <thaflo> you have to care about illegal and legal software [14:34:34] <w-ber> patching? You mean patching it with patches not originating from Be itself? [14:34:45] <thaflo> and if you live in alaska alone in the mountains, you have to buy the software you use [14:34:47] <w-ber> otherwise their own updates are illegal [14:35:49] <thaflo> no, the BeOS PE can be used at it IS! Noone except Be Inc. is allowed to modify it [14:36:07] *** seraph has quit IRC [14:37:32] *** badonaway_ has quit IRC [14:38:29] <thaflo> w-ber, read the BeOS PE license :) [14:41:08] <mumu25> thaflo: i guess be or palm don't care [14:41:37] <thaflo> thats not the point, mumu25; [14:41:44] <thaflo> probably yellowtab cares [14:42:15] <mumu25> nobody even knows for sure that zeta is legal [14:42:44] <thaflo> no? [14:42:54] <thaflo> do you no that for sure? [14:43:39] <mumu25> haven't you read any of the zeta is illegal flamewars? [14:43:41] *** Konrad has joined #haiku [14:44:31] <thaflo> no [14:44:44] <thaflo> do you think that? [14:45:27] <mumu25> try searching google for yellowtab, zeta, illegal [14:46:02] <thaflo> ok, mom [14:46:51] <thaflo> try seraching google for microsoft windows illegal [14:46:56] <thaflo> 1,3 mio hits [14:47:02] <thaflo> that sas NOTHING [14:47:11] <mumu25> hehe, don't count the hits [14:47:15] <mumu25> read :) [14:47:15] *** lordcoxis has quit IRC [14:47:56] *** aerie has quit IRC [14:50:00] <mumu25> and for the record i didn't say it is illegal, i just said nobody knows for sure [14:50:02] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [14:50:16] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku [14:52:06] <thaflo> i think, those guys at yellowtab knows it for shure :) [14:52:40] <dr_evil> sure, not shure [14:52:41] <thaflo> but i have no time to discuss [14:52:45] <thaflo> :) [14:53:04] <thaflo> its a discussion without hand and legs [14:53:05] <@mahlzeit> unless you mean microphones [14:53:11] <thaflo> and with no end [14:53:22] <thaflo> have no micro [14:54:40] <mumu25> thaflo: that's what a flameware is about :) [14:55:48] <thaflo> :) [14:56:05] <thaflo> another question, do you develop? [14:56:30] <mumu25> for beos, no [14:58:34] <thaflo> :( [14:58:39] <thaflo> for windows then? [14:58:59] <mumu25> symbian [14:59:04] <mumu25> and java on linux [14:59:20] <mumu25> and java on embedded systems [14:59:27] <mumu25> c++ on symbian [14:59:30] <thaflo> but you use beos/zeta, or? [14:59:38] <thaflo> so why not c++ on beos? [15:00:42] <mumu25> i don't use beos [15:02:04] <thaflo> so this is probably the wrong channel? [15:02:40] <mumu25> wrong channel? [15:03:22] <thaflo> #haiku is a re-implementation of beos [15:03:41] <mumu25> so? [15:03:42] <thaflo> aka openbeos [15:04:00] <thaflo> grmbl, re-implentation is the wrong name [15:04:21] <mumu25> i know what haiku is about, that's why i'm here [15:05:33] <thaflo> so you wait here until haiku is finished ? :)) [15:12:17] *** lordcoxis has joined #haiku [15:14:10] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku [15:20:07] <[Beta]> silly Q.. why are we excited about haiku-os.org coming back, Is it going to get updated more often ? [15:21:03] *** lordcoxis has quit IRC [15:21:28] *** lordcoxis has joined #haiku [15:22:51] <thaflo> :)) means that it was kind a joke [15:23:21] *** dr_evil has quit IRC [15:35:36] *** z3r0_one has joined #haiku [15:39:26] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC [15:41:07] <fyysik> Zeta name is already taken - http://www.zai.com/ for example [15:41:20] <fyysik> and lot of other entries [15:41:39] <fyysik> http://www.zetaphirho.com/ [15:42:45] <fyysik> http://www.cuno.com/products/zetaplus_ec.html [15:42:53] <thaflo> stop [15:42:56] <thaflo> :) [15:43:14] <thaflo> http://www.zeta.de/ [15:44:06] <thaflo> http://www.zeta-software.de/ [15:44:08] <thaflo> :) [15:44:16] <fyysik> even in Deutschland - http://www.zeta.de/ [15:44:29] <@mahlzeit> which is no problem at all [15:44:51] <fyysik> who knows what happens when Zeta BeOS gains popularity [15:45:28] <fyysik> even "Lindows" appeared to be problem [15:45:46] <@mahlzeit> that's different [15:46:06] <@mahlzeit> trademarks are only a problem if they are confusing (intentionally or not) [15:46:25] <@mahlzeit> (to customers) [15:46:30] <thaflo> but no other zeta-calling company makes a OS [15:46:44] <thaflo> so i think it's not a problem [15:46:57] <@mahlzeit> then again, you can be sued for anything :-) [15:47:14] <thaflo> except http://orzel.freehackers.org/zeta/ [15:47:20] <thaflo> damn linux distros [15:48:11] <@mahlzeit> heh, that site looks like the dano theme [15:48:45] <thaflo> you are right [15:49:38] <fyysik> trademarks aren't about rationality. Those are about lawyerity. Just as those terms "legal"/"illegal" in regard to IP [15:49:40] <thaflo> i think it IS the dano theme [15:49:59] <ShackaN> sh*t, i forgot my nickname password.. [15:50:05] <ShackaN> is there any way to recover it ? [15:50:22] <@mahlzeit> still, trademark law has fixed rules -- they don't make up this kind of stuff on-the-spot :-) [15:50:42] <fyysik> you see, mahlzeit - name firebird for BROWSER was dropped, because someone used it already for DATABASE [15:51:06] <fyysik> so calm down. as you aren't lawyer [15:51:10] <@mahlzeit> ? [15:51:33] <@mahlzeit> who says they did this because the lawyers made them do it? [15:51:43] <fyysik> this is special kind of people to deal with irrational things like trademarks, corporate IP property etc [15:52:11] <@mahlzeit> not all lawyers are evil [15:52:25] <fyysik> mahlzeit - search google for firebird name discussions. [15:52:26] <thaflo> and phoenix was dropped because a BIOS exists with the name Phoenix [15:52:36] <fyysik> exactly, thaflo [15:52:56] <fyysik> lawyers are tool [15:53:00] <@mahlzeit> it> i still don't see how this relates to zeta's name [15:53:01] <fyysik> tool cannot be evil [15:53:24] <[Beta]> Phoenix BIOS is well old.. blame the people who came up with the new names for mozilla software, they dont do any(enough) research first. [15:53:32] <[Beta]> mahlzeit: I cant see where he is going either.. [15:54:01] <@mahlzeit> anyway, i'm not really interested in this topic [15:54:18] <Kernel86> [Beta]: you kidding? Phoenix (now part of Award) still makes bioses [15:54:51] <[Beta]> I didnt say they stopped.. I just said they've been doing it a long while [15:55:10] <mumu25> the world is evil [15:55:37] <thaflo> humans are evil [15:55:42] <thaflo> the world is ok [15:55:51] <@mahlzeit> generalisations are evil ;-) [15:56:01] *** DaaT has joined #haiku [15:56:12] <thaflo> :) [15:57:26] *** fyysik has quit IRC [15:59:36] *** ConneX has joined #haiku [15:59:48] *** mumu25 is now known as agentmumu [16:01:02] *** Begasus has quit IRC [16:03:59] *** Begasus has joined #haiku [16:17:01] *** fyysik has joined #haiku [16:17:39] <fyysik> tqh - reviewed one patch, asked additional info for other [16:18:51] <tqh> fyysik I answered that question. [16:19:14] * tqh is looking for srs [16:19:19] * tqh is looking for sr's [16:19:48] <fyysik> electricity is jumpting today here. so permanent reboots. will look [16:21:42] <fyysik> reviewed [16:22:00] <thaflo> fyysik, you are porting fiefox? [16:22:20] * fyysik is confused [16:22:51] <thaflo> i know you are porting mozilla [16:22:54] <tqh> the Firefox porting is probably mostly mine. Fyysik does Mozilla. [16:22:58] *** DaaT has quit IRC [16:23:05] <thaflo> ah, i see [16:23:34] <thaflo> so tqh, where can the latest build can be downloaded? [16:23:36] <fyysik> http://zetanews.com/module.php?mod=node&id=123 - read this thaflo, and you will know proper questions [16:23:58] <fyysik> thus you will be able to get proper answers:) [16:24:06] <sys2> the factory is down ? [16:24:57] <tqh> thaflo dunno, several ppl are building Firefox, but the more or less official builds should be on Bebits. [16:24:59] <thaflo> i cant get the site [16:25:05] <fyysik> probably new SAMBA build for BONE will get Boneyard add-on. To avoid non-beosish way with manual config files editing [16:25:31] <fyysik> thaflo - press stop and then Enter key again in URL bar [16:25:37] <fyysik> zetanews is weird [16:26:01] <fyysik> requires two actions to get it:) [16:32:09] *** illissius- has quit IRC [16:36:35] * tqh wonders how long those bugs will take to be sr'd. [16:38:34] <fyysik> Maybe Niels can show some activity at mozilla IRC?:) [16:41:22] <thaflo> it works now [16:52:14] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC [16:57:58] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [16:58:34] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku [17:07:32] <CIA-6> laplace * current/headers/private/print/libprint/ (GraphicsDriver.h JobData.h JobSetupDlg.h): Implemented Page Selection. [17:13:30] *** BGA has joined #haiku [17:13:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA [17:13:51] *** Konrad has quit IRC [17:15:32] *** kr1stof_ has quit IRC [17:16:53] <CIA-6> laplace * current/src/add-ons/print/drivers/Jamfile: Build PCL6 again as we have a replacement for jetlib [17:19:59] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku [17:19:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man [17:21:14] <fyysik> hi laplace [17:22:25] <CIA-6> laplace * current/src/add-ons/print/drivers/shared/libprint/ (GraphicsDriver.cpp JobData.cpp JobSetupDlg.cpp): Added Page Selection. Proper layouting of the controls in the page and setup dialogs is left open for a newbe to do :) [17:27:02] *** ahwayakchih has joined #haiku [17:27:05] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi [17:27:10] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi fyysik [17:31:22] <fyysik> hi [17:37:05] <tic> hey peeps. [17:37:38] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi [17:38:09] <ahwayakchih> argh livejournal is down and i can't read about mozilla progress [17:38:34] <ahwayakchih> mozilla=BeOS port of mozilla [17:39:10] <tqh> it's going ok :) [17:39:20] <ahwayakchih> hehe [17:39:21] <tic> define "ok", tqh :) [17:48:20] <fyysik> partially it is up already, but not our blog [17:48:51] <fyysik> tqh - are bfile last fixes already in CVS? [17:52:54] <tqh> fyysik No, I had forgot to upload them to the bug, but I think it's ok now. [17:55:53] <tqh> tic things are progressing and builds compile and run. Also I have a build that starts in two seconds flat (but currently unstable). Lots of fixes in CVS or going to be as well. [17:56:01] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [17:56:01] *** mmadia has joined #haiku [17:56:20] <tqh> fyysik Patch is here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169506 [17:56:43] <tic> tqh, on what hardware? [17:57:00] <[Beta]> neat tqh [17:57:27] <tic> Takes 6s on my dual Celeron 533 to load 0.9.3 [17:57:47] <[Beta]> have you guys done native-looking widgets for it yet ? [17:57:52] <tqh> tic Athlon XP 1800+ 256MB DDR, but I think it's more harddrive dependant. It took about 4-6 seconds before for me as well. [17:58:21] <tic> tqh, cool. 7200 RPM, 8M cache, so that should still be roughly the same. [17:58:29] <tic> tqh, 1.x? [17:58:31] <w-ber> http://fek.az/linkek-v2/1105829550-win_macos.jpg [17:58:46] *** fyy_vision has joined #haiku [17:58:54] <fyy_vision> damn [17:58:56] <tqh> 1.0+ as it's called by about-box but it's the 1.1 sources so. [17:59:01] <tic> Nice. [17:59:03] <tic> any screenies? [17:59:36] <tqh> it looks the same as before :) [17:59:41] <fyy_vision> set UPS for PC, but cable internet which takes power also from our building electricity setup has gone down [18:00:03] <tic> tqh, perhaps improved font rendering, the Find gadget, etc? Remember, I'm using 0.9.3 [18:00:52] <tqh> No, but improved scrolling and resizing (not perfect). [18:00:53] <fyy_vision> Find gadget? [18:01:19] <tqh> and extention installing should work sooo much better :) [18:01:25] <ahwayakchih> w-ber LOL :) [18:01:27] *** fyysik has quit IRC [18:01:32] <tic> fyy_vision, when you press Cmd-F or / in Firefox>= 1.0 you get a find view in the bottom of the window. [18:01:41] <tic> tqh, resizing? whee. at the moment it kinda sucks. [18:01:46] <fyy_vision> [18:01:49] <fyy_vision> yup tic [18:01:59] <fyy_vision> and what is wrong with that "gadget"? [18:02:16] <tic> fyy_vision, nothing. Just wondering if it was there and working. :) [18:02:36] <tqh> tic, well it's not perfect yet [18:02:37] <fyy_vision> tic - it works even in older mozillas [18:03:03] <tic> fyy_vision, well, it doesn't exist /at all/ in 0.9.3, and it was very bad in the 1.0.0pre version I used. [18:03:06] <tic> fyy_vision, for BeOS. [18:03:11] <tic> tqh, okay, but still better, right`? [18:04:19] <fyy_vision> tic - this is generic thing unrelated to BeOS code or port. Maybe we did something wrong when compiled or such, but nothing to do from our side there [18:04:57] <tic> fyy_vision, that's true, but maybe any bugs or "misfeatures" were trigged by the find thingy [18:06:00] <tqh> tic yes, and it can be improved some more. [18:06:10] *** z3r0_one has quit IRC [18:06:38] <fyy_vision> tic - maybe. Like fact that gcc 2.9 with O2 optimization produced similar bugs [18:06:45] <tic> fyy_vision, mhm. [18:07:19] <fyy_vision> 2.953 seems far better in that sense [18:09:37] <tic> okay. [18:09:43] <tic> Oliver's? 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[22:22:01] <fyy_vision> only full one works, but that's seems sufficient [22:23:03] <@geist> Be [22:23:16] <@geist> <@mmu_man> Be [22:23:28] <@geist> aww, I was hoping it'd copy the control too [22:23:43] <@mmu_man> it doesn't [22:23:51] <[Beta]> BeOS most dont [22:24:00] <@mmu_man> it translates them to font info at least in beos [22:24:14] <@mmu_man> ^2B^4e^1OS [22:24:19] <@mmu_man> ^ being CTRL-C [22:24:26] <@geist> I'm on macosx using a terminal to log into a screen session on a linux box using irssi [22:24:32] <@geist> so there are just too many layers in there [22:24:36] <@mmu_man> eh [22:24:43] *** BGA has quit IRC [22:24:47] * mmu_man pets Zeta [22:25:04] <@mmu_man> need to finish that irssi port [22:25:05] <w-ber> er> e [22:25:09] <w-ber> Be [22:26:03] <@geist> you really need screen [22:26:09] <@geist> but I betcha screen would be super tough to port to beos [22:26:11] <fyy_vision> what be name of standard CLI IRC client in *nix? [22:26:17] <fyy_vision> may be [22:26:19] <@geist> since it is heavy on the tty stuff [22:26:28] <@geist> and the tty layer on beos is just barely there [22:26:35] <@mmu_man> geist why that ? [22:26:39] <w-ber> fyy_vision: ircII [22:26:47] <@geist> I just assume it'd try something that beos cant do [22:26:53] <@geist> lots of signal stuff, tty stuff [22:26:59] <@mmu_man> well it "only" doesn't support bg/fg [22:27:04] <w-ber> you're assuming, but you haven't tried? :) [22:27:11] <@geist> well, I've seen the code [22:27:14] <@geist> it's gross [22:27:18] <@mmu_man> and requires odd ioctls instead of the published api [22:27:21] <w-ber> good call [22:27:26] <@geist> full of all sorts of "XXX finish this" [22:27:34] <@mmu_man> (Terminal doesn an ioctl('pgrp') or something [22:27:49] <@mmu_man> had to do such an hack in openssh [22:27:51] <@geist> right [22:28:02] <@geist> screen is for sure messing around with sessions and pgrps [22:28:04] *** m_eiman has quit IRC [22:28:15] <@mmu_man> well I can have a try :) [22:28:26] <@mmu_man> will be a good bench to fix the tty code actally :) [22:28:32] <w-ber> hehe [22:28:34] <@geist> yes, it'd be good for haiku [22:28:39] <@mmu_man> and it'll be ready for Haiku then [22:28:55] <@geist> ist> i dont know what haiku has but if they have my signals and tty stuff then there's still some work [22:29:03] <@geist> I think the pgrop and session stuff is basically complete [22:29:14] <@geist> though it took me quite a while to figure it out [22:29:16] <@mmu_man> I think Axel diged that in october [22:29:41] <@mmu_man> yeah that pgroup, sid stuff and friends is a big mess by itself [22:29:42] <@geist> the signal delivery stuff is still kind of broken, but less so than the haiku version I based it on [22:29:58] <@mmu_man> some things added to existing Uni designs [22:30:06] <@mmu_man> Unix [22:30:54] <w-ber> I probably asked this before, but what's the goal in Haiku's POSIX compliance? [22:30:56] <@geist> well, like a lot of those nasty unix things once you dig into it it sort of makes sense [22:34:05] *** ShackaN has quit IRC [22:34:52] <@mmu_man> geist yeah sure, but it ties to many unrelated things, breaking the modularity [22:35:01] <@mmu_man> just like networking... [22:35:15] <@mmu_man> AF_UNIX sockets screws up the fs stuff [22:35:22] <@mmu_man> you need to be able to migrate fds [22:35:24] <CIA-6> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/ (11 files): [22:35:24] <CIA-6> * moved input handling code from Desktop class to RootLayer [22:35:24] <CIA-6> * PollerThread was replaced by WorkingThread(RootLayerX) thread which is created every time a RootLayer object is created and destroyed when deleted. [22:35:24] <CIA-6> * ViewDriver now initializes the "inputServer" port because it is one of the first objects instantiated by the server. [22:35:24] <CIA-6> * changed the way a RootLayer(ex Poller) quits. The thread is not killed anymore, it is been asked to quit nicely. This prevents (future) deadlocks. [22:35:27] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku [22:35:34] <@mmu_man> and create S_IFSOCK files on the fs [22:35:46] <@mmu_man> even if not to open them [22:35:47] <@geist> yeah I dont like that [22:35:58] <@mmu_man> then you need to use recv/sendmsg [22:36:03] <@mmu_man> which has a CRAPPY API [22:36:16] <@mmu_man> using structs in structs and iovecs [22:36:30] <@mmu_man> and array of structs... [22:36:47] <@mmu_man> whoever came up with that API should be put to jail [22:37:35] <@geist> "put in jail" [22:37:57] <@geist> your daily english lesson [22:38:56] <[Beta]> i'm looking for a screenshot of a Dano/Zeta window with menus open - does anyone have a url they could share ? [22:40:07] <@mmu_man> geist hmm I'm quite sure I saw "to" somewhere [22:40:26] <@geist> no, you put someone "in" jail [22:40:45] <ShackaN> uhm [22:41:02] <@mmu_man> yeah well same as in french [22:41:18] <[Beta]> mmu_man: 'to' would be slang usage :) [22:41:20] <ShackaN> let's go for "into jail" [22:41:20] <@geist> you send someone to jail [22:41:24] <@mmu_man> still 2300 entries for "put to jail" on google [22:41:26] *** DaaT has joined #haiku [22:41:27] <ShackaN> ok ? [22:41:53] <[Beta]> "locked up" works [22:41:53] <mmadia> "go to jail. do not pass Go. do not collect $200" :) [22:41:55] [22:42:11] <@geist> "put in jail" "send to jail" "go to jail" "put to death" [22:42:39] <@geist> well since it's only 2300 entries it cant be the right way [22:42:43] <w-ber> aren't we gloomy today... [22:42:47] <@geist> of it was 1million+ then it would [22:43:35] <@geist> well, "put in" is a big time overuse of "put". it's one of those verbs that gets overused [22:43:47] <@geist> something like "send to" is a little clearer anyway [22:44:20] <@mmu_man> well in french we tend tu use more coloquial verbs for that even [22:44:35] <@geist> sure, most of them are totally valid, except "put to" [22:44:36] <ShackaN> sendto( jail, poor_fella, height(poor_fella), 0 ); [22:44:59] <Sg_Henry> or sendto(BMessage * message); [22:45:04] *** thaflo has quit IRC [22:45:06] <ShackaN> sorry I couldn't resits :) [22:45:09] <@mmu_man> sendo is a BSD socket op [22:45:10] <ShackaN> *resist [22:45:13] <@mmu_man> not BMessage based [22:45:23] <@geist> nerds!! [22:45:36] <ShackaN> well, but bsd sockets rock, so I use 'em instead [22:45:37] <@mmu_man> ssize_t sendto(int sock, const void *data, size_t datalen, int flags, const struct sockaddr *addr, int addrlen); [22:45:50] <ShackaN> uh right [22:46:50] <ShackaN> I called "sendto" with the parameter list for "send", but it's just because a wanted to play on the "send to jail" thing, so don't mind [22:46:57] <ShackaN> :) [22:48:39] <@mmu_man> struct msg m; [22:48:45] <@mmu_man> ... (10 lines) [22:48:59] <@mmu_man> sendmsg(jail, &m, ...); [22:49:05] <@mmu_man> :) [22:49:10] <@geist> http://www.citypaper.com/comics/story.asp?id=9539 [22:49:18] <@geist> an 16 21:49:18 <@geist> a new perry bible fellowship webcomic! [22:49:21] <@geist> PBF is great [22:50:22] <ShackaN> uhmm [22:50:25] <ShackaN> I don't get it.. [22:50:38] <Sg_Henry> :| [22:50:39] <@geist> how about http://www.citypaper.com/comics/story.asp?id=9313 [22:50:52] <@geist> it's a little sick [22:51:27] <ShackaN> just.. *a little* [22:51:32] <@geist> http://www.citypaper.com/comics/story.asp?id=9140 [22:51:44] *** badonaway has joined #haiku [22:52:02] <Sg_Henry> he he he [22:52:12] <@geist> http://www.citypaper.com/comics/story.asp?id=8662 [22:52:12] <w-ber> uhh [22:52:14] <@geist> okay, I'll stop [22:53:03] <@geist> http://www.citypaper.com/comics/story.asp?id=8181 [22:53:13] * geist goes outside to put a ski rack on his car [22:53:18] <Sg_Henry> now... some spanish comics: [22:53:25] <Sg_Henry> http://comic.escomposlinux.org/ecol-122-e.png [22:53:27] <Sg_Henry> :D [22:53:41] <ShackaN> !? [22:53:46] <fyy_vision> interesting. Almost all CJK fonts i have here (more than 20) have cyrillic inisde. But all are wrong with spacing, rendering it like t h i d e x t r a s p a c e [22:54:20] <Sg_Henry> http://comic.escomposlinux.org/ecol-63-e.png [22:55:16] <ShackaN> lol [22:55:23] <@mmu_man> fyy_vision beware, it might actually be BTextView that is wrong [22:56:02] <@mmu_man> see http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/shot_xemacs_native_utf8_roxor_mshey.png [22:56:27] <@mmu_man> XEmacs renders better than TextEdit =) [22:56:34] <sys2> haha [22:56:40] <ShackaN> roooooooocks! [22:56:43] <sys2> i clicked the close button on the image trying to close it :P [22:57:14] <fyy_vision> mmu_man - i don't think is was used everywhere. Bernd, when he was yet experienced, wondered what the hell is with that russian in Zeta (at that BeGeistert) everywhere. It appeared that Haru was set as overlay for cyrillic. But now in R5 i got other Japanese fonts, all behave same way here in Vision. So it is really interesting, which part of BeOS is guilty [22:57:15] <@mmu_man> lol [22:58:14] <@mmu_man> eh [22:58:27] <fyy_vision> ision> i will try it in Mozilla which don't use any BeOS text class for sure. Only DrawString [22:59:01] <@mmu_man> also, have a look at font study from Andrew [23:00:05] <fyy_vision> mmu_man - yeah, same in Mozilla which uses only DrawString [23:01:12] <fyy_vision> Interesting is that Cyberbit works perfectly [23:02:09] <@mmu_man> http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/shot_xemacs_native_utf8_roxor_cyberbit.png yep :) [23:02:29] <@mmu_man> notice with mshey SE wraps the first line before the actual end [23:02:43] <@mmu_man> so it thinks it is wide but doesn't draw it as wide as it thinks it is [23:03:00] <@mmu_man> it probably wraps with correct spacing but draws with bad [23:03:44] <fyy_vision> hm, probably i will also try Haru, Osaka, Kaisei and others in windoze with cyrillic [23:04:30] <fyy_vision> maybe with greel [23:04:33] <fyy_vision> greek [23:04:34] <ShackaN> is it real or is it a troll ? http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/images/small_ad.gif [23:04:49] <ShackaN> uhm, sorry [23:04:52] <ShackaN> wrong picture [23:04:55] *** badonaway has quit IRC [23:05:20] <ShackaN> http://z1.adserver.com/w/cp.x;rid=3;tid=17;ev=1;dt=3;ac=17;c=245; [23:05:47] <ShackaN> crap, seems to change the banner every time [23:05:52] <ShackaN> sorry again [23:11:15] *** slaad has joined #haiku [23:12:22] *** kr1stof has quit IRC [23:15:18] <DaaT> hey slaad [23:15:26] <slaad> Heuy [23:18:26] *** Begasus has quit IRC [23:18:27] * fyy_vision is shocked everytime when switching from BeOS to NT5 [23:19:21] <@mmu_man> then don't switch :) [23:19:32] <fyy_vision> ision> i wish:( [23:20:16] <fyy_vision> unfortunately from time to time i should visit my work... [23:20:44] * mmu_man is happy to work on BeOS :) [23:22:28] *** cuc has joined #haiku [23:26:22] <Procton> if only beos had vmware. [23:26:59] <@mmu_man> well it might get qemu if I can compile it [23:27:09] <Procton> cool. [23:27:26] <Procton> beos as host? [23:28:17] <fyy_vision> gemu? [23:28:27] <@mmu_man> qemu [23:28:35] <@mmu_man> Procton yeah [23:28:38] <@mmu_man> Axel asked for that [23:28:44] * fyy_vision googles [23:28:53] <@mmu_man> now I'm stuck with "bx spilled for blahblah..." [23:28:59] <@mmu_man> even with oliver's gcc [23:28:59] <fyy_vision> Gemu - Gnome EMU10K1 Configuration app [23:28:59] <@mmu_man> oh [23:29:04] <@mmu_man> I didn't try the latest one yet :) [23:29:29] <@mmu_man> oh, well yes I did [23:29:31] <@mmu_man> not better [23:29:38] <@mmu_man> need to send him the diff [23:30:29] <Procton> fyy_vision: qemu... http://www.qemu.com [23:31:23] <Procton> I wonder how fast it is compared to vmware. [23:33:33] <CIA-6> darkwyrm * current/src/kits/interface/Slider.cpp: Prevent build of BSlider::SetLimits if not building specifically for Haiku [23:34:33] <fyy_vision> http://www.strauss.za.com/sla/code_std.html [23:35:14] <fyy_vision> " Use lower case l to indicate long constants. e.g. 10l is more likely to be mistaken for 101 that 10L is. Ban any fonts that clearly disambiguate uvw wW gq9 2z 5s il17|!j oO08 `'" ;,. m nn rn {[()]}. Be creative." [23:35:16] <Methe> GO DARKWYRM GO !!!!!!!!! [23:35:19] <@geist> well, vmware is going to blow it out of the water, but the trick is how much slower is it [23:41:31] <fyy_vision> tqh [23:42:10] *** guerrilla has joined #haiku [23:48:03] *** cuc has left #haiku [23:48:38] *** illissius has quit IRC [23:50:18] *** DaaT has quit IRC [23:58:37] <@mmu_man> zzz [23:58:39] *** mmu_man has quit IRC