[00:00:32] <fyysik> it is bigger than Mozilla and slower than MS Office written in Java
[00:00:39] <ShackaN> looooool
[00:00:56] <ShackaN> mozilla ain't that big actually...
[00:01:01] <slaad> You think a 300Mhz processor is too inadequate to run an instant messenger, Korli?
[00:01:16] <fyysik> also i dislike UI - something is floating, something is raising, something is blinking, something is singing
[00:01:30] <Karina``> Korli: is XP generation
[00:01:35] <fyysik> total coolness instead communication
[00:01:42] <@voidref> trilian used to be pretty decent, i take it they changed it all?
[00:01:43] <ShackaN> bleah
[00:01:53] <@Korli> voidref no
[00:01:57] * ShackaN never used IMs
[00:02:02] <fyysik> voidref - yeah. i used Trillain 0.7* - it was usable
[00:02:07] <Karina``> an 08 23:02:07 <Karina``>	an im client should run on a p66 with 16mb of ram ;)
[00:02:20] <@voidref> Karina``, I don'
[00:02:24] <@voidref> t think beos runs on that system
[00:02:30] <@voidref> maybe r3
[00:02:31] <fyysik> but 3.0 Basic isn't. Wondering how bloat and unusable is PRO version
[00:02:55] <@voidref> I think I had a p120 with r3 on it
[00:02:59] <@Korli> i'm using 2.0 successfully
[00:03:02] <ShackaN> what the hell does a PROfessional version of an istant messenger do ?
[00:03:03] <Karina``> should do, maybe not enough memory
[00:03:22] <@voidref> yea, I think r3 needed at least 32 megs.
[00:03:23] <fyysik> Korli - try 3.0. Maybe you'll like it even more:)
[00:03:31] <@voidref> which was pretty normal in those days
[00:03:41] <@Korli> fyysik i'm happy with this one
[00:03:56] * slaad hugs the IM Kit
[00:04:03] <fyysik> ShackaN - basic version asked me to install DirectX9 and last QuickTIme. Maybe PRO version laready has it all in package
[00:04:15] <ShackaN> DX9 ?
[00:04:18] <ShackaN> for chatting ?!
[00:04:21] <fyysik> yup
[00:04:23] <Karina``> lol
[00:04:26] <fyysik> videoconfeencing
[00:04:28] <ShackaN> *laughs*
[00:04:31] <fyysik> conferencing
[00:04:36] <Karina``> 3d accelerated true type fonts ;)
[00:04:58] <slaad> Rotating, multi-point source lit, 3D fonts.
[00:05:06] <slaad> With bump mapping.
[00:05:10] <@voidref> you forgot bump-mapped
[00:05:17] <slaad> No I didn't :P
[00:05:20] <@voidref> and envronment cube-mapped
[00:05:34] <slaad> What's environment cube mapping?
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[00:05:44] <Tenzin> GL Matrix Chat :)
[00:05:45] <@voidref> somethign I made up by compbining jargon!
[00:06:10] <fyysik> ShackaN - probaly it has built in XML imterpreter
[00:06:44] <slaad> Haha
[00:06:51] <fyysik> 10MB compressed install for chatting
[00:06:52] <Karina``> gaim for win32 should do the job anyway
[00:07:09] <slaad> It does, fyysik. If I recall correctly, Trillian uses XML to define the interface.
[00:07:13] <ShackaN> fyysik?
[00:07:17] <fyysik> Karina`` - looked at that too. Dislike idea to have GTK installed just for one app
[00:07:26] <@voidref> "You can often see this effect with bump mapped environment mapping into a mip-mapped cube map, where the texture LOD changes discretely along the 2x2 blocks. Explicitly coloring based on the derivatives of a normal map really shows how nasty the calculated value is."
[00:07:40] <Karina``> fyysik yah it's a bit of a pain, but it's an ok app
[00:07:41] <@voidref> it's all pretty clear to me.
[00:07:47] <Karina``> miranda is ok also
[00:07:55] <slaad> But with GTK installed you could install other useful GTK apps like.. uh... Gimp and um... well... yeah.
[00:07:57] <@Korli> pro windows software aren't bad, having new versions which match people current configurations is a good thing
[00:08:12] <slaad> 3D jargon is confusing.
[00:08:38] * fyysik don't wish to use such apps even at his 2GHz machine. Too confusing and messy
[00:09:21] <Tenzin> win32 gtk is limited
[00:09:56] <Tenzin> it needs other packages installed as well that don't come with win32gtk or gaim/gimp by default sometimes
[00:10:23] <Tenzin> I ended up installing glade dev kit as well and adding sources to get pygtk working in win2k :)
[00:10:31] <@mmu_man> fyysik tried googlefs ?
[00:10:44] <@mmu_man> handled utf8 nicely now
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[00:10:56] <fyysik> googlefs? not yet
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[00:11:42] <fyysik> heh, linuxoid will get at last proper fonts, encodings etc with Mozilla. Pnago integration started
[00:11:48] <fyysik> linuxoids
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[00:12:14] <@mmu_man> http://81.49.231.214/shot_googlefs_007.png
[00:12:31] <fyysik> pure developers, instead looking at BeOS parts of mozilla, with ready solutions, they are reinventing wheel, transforming ASCII-8 GTK code
[00:12:52] <@mmu_man> fyysik yeah well
[00:13:03] <@mmu_man> at least they don't use Qt
[00:13:11] <@mmu_man> Qt is a blatant rip off BeAPI
[00:13:14] <fyysik> Qt port is again alive
[00:13:16] <@mmu_man> without the good sides
[00:13:25] <@mmu_man> QString is UCS16
[00:13:34] <@mmu_man> crap
[00:13:35] <Tenzin> fyysik will BeOS mozilla be able to use gtk/metacity skins/themes in the future ? :)
[00:13:45] <fyysik> but they also are reinventing lost of things, even existed in previous Mozilla/qt version
[00:14:02] <fyysik> unintende pun happened
[00:14:13] <fyysik> s/lost/lot
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[00:15:23] <@mmu_man> http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/googlefs-test-bin.zip
[00:15:45] <@mmu_man> small update, handles &#nn; &#nnn; and &#xnn; in titles
[00:15:56] <@mmu_man> from stupid html writers
[00:17:00] <slaad> As opposed to, mmu_man?
[00:17:59] <@mmu_man> to using named entities (though I don't decode all yet), or just doing it correctly, setting the encoding=UTF-8 and using binary chars
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[00:27:16] <Tenzin> bbl
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[00:28:18] <tic> I ran BeOS on a 16M system, I thnk.
[00:28:20] <tic> R5
[00:28:29] <@mmu_man> 8M :p
[00:31:54] <slaad> Hex entities are the preferred way, I think, mmu_man. I believe the spec states as much.
[00:33:26] <@mmu_man> except numbered entities are expressed in a specific encoding
[00:33:32] <@mmu_man> named are encoding neutral
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[00:38:00] <slaad> Why would named entities be encoding neutral?
[00:38:31] <@mmu_man> because they name the caracter
[00:38:38] <@mmu_man> not its numeric code
[00:38:47] <@mmu_man> which is different depending on codepage/encoding
[00:39:08] <@mmu_man> &copy; is always &copy;
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[00:39:46] <@mmu_man> for an UTF-8 encoding the correct hex entity would be &#xC2;&#xA9;
[00:41:30] <slaad> Ahh, right.
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[00:43:25] <mumu25> 7win 2
[00:43:27] * mmu_man is always right :p
[00:44:17] <slaad> Piffle! :P
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[01:13:43] <fyysik> back from laptop
[01:16:13] <AnEvilYak> anyone here with an R5 + net_server box?
[01:18:13] <@Korli> AnEvilYak i have one
[01:18:40] <AnEvilYak> Korli: can you grab the latest src archive for Vision and do make ; make binarchive and email the resulting zip file to anevilyak at geekport dot com ?
[01:18:56] <AnEvilYak> someone built it for me but apparently did it on R5 + BONE
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[01:20:06] <@Korli> url for src ?
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[01:20:30] <AnEvilYak> http://vision.sf.net/Vision-0.9.7-SF-010705-src.zip
[01:22:14] <AnEvilYak> bbl, thanks Korli
[01:31:15] <@Korli> what's AnEvilYak's mail ?
[01:31:41] <@Korli> just saw it ...
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[08:59:41] <lechu_mys> \ after night party :P
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[11:23:06] <lechu_mys> hi ? :>
[11:23:07] <lechu_mys> :P
[11:23:12] <@mahlzeit> hey
[11:23:15] <lechu_mys> hihi
[11:23:16] <lechu_mys> :)
[11:23:41] <lechu_mys> mahlzeit .. i think i dont know you .. :|
[11:23:45] <lechu_mys> heh :P
[11:23:59] <@mahlzeit> impossible, everyone knows me :-)
[11:24:04] <@mahlzeit> whether they like it or not
[11:24:16] <lechu_mys> heh
[11:24:18] <lechu_mys> oups
[11:24:19] <lechu_mys> sorry
[11:24:27] <@mahlzeit> just kidding :-)
[11:24:34] <lechu_mys> really ?: P
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[11:25:06] <lechu_mys> heh
[11:25:06] <lechu_mys> ok
[11:25:16] <lechu_mys> eee maybe you know what is going on ;]
[11:25:29] <lechu_mys> i sent an @ to haiku
[11:25:32] <lechu_mys> and no answer :|
[11:26:03] <lechu_mys> i want to help with making graphics (icons, wallpapers, themes etc)
[11:26:04] <@mahlzeit> the boss, mphipps, only has internet in the weekends
[11:26:14] <lechu_mys> oh
[11:26:22] <lechu_mys> so it is sunday now
[11:26:26] <lechu_mys> so it is weekend ?
[11:26:56] <@mahlzeit> yep
[11:27:37] <lechu_mys> mmm ... so he should answer  to 12 pm ? :P
[11:28:07] <@mahlzeit> it>	i have no idea, especially since he is in the usa and they are still asleep :-)
[11:28:18] <lechu_mys> hwhw
[11:28:22] <lechu_mys> hehe *
[11:28:27] <lechu_mys> i undursrand
[11:28:41] <lechu_mys> im too after all night party :P
[11:28:52] <lechu_mys> and .. im still alive :)
[11:29:19] <@mahlzeit> good!
[11:29:24] <lechu_mys> heh
[11:29:33] <lechu_mys> but i will have a loong weekend
[11:29:44] <lechu_mys> i mean 2 weeks
[11:29:58] <lechu_mys> 14 days :P
[11:30:04] <@mahlzeit> nice
[11:30:07] <lechu_mys> and ill have a lot of time
[11:30:26] <lechu_mys> and .. i can do something for haiku in this time if he answer me ..
[11:30:51] <lechu_mys> btw. sorry .. my english is .. ekgm :|
[11:30:53] <@mahlzeit> well, you can do it anyway and see if he will like what you did
[11:31:07] <@mahlzeit> your english is fine :-)
[11:31:17] <lechu_mys> mmm i dont want to do something for nothing
[11:31:56] <lechu_mys> ok
[11:31:59] <@mahlzeit> well, we used to have someone who was in charge of the artwork
[11:32:10] <@mahlzeit> but i haven't heard from him in more than a year
[11:32:20] <lechu_mys> uh
[11:32:24] <lechu_mys> what you think
[11:32:34] <lechu_mys> i should make some icons ?
[11:32:37] <@mahlzeit> so i have no idea what the status is of the artwork
[11:32:48] <lechu_mys> or something like fake screenshot ? with wallpaper etc ?
[11:33:16] <@mahlzeit> it>	i don't think we need wallpapers, but we do need icons, etc
[11:33:26] <@mahlzeit> however, all icons should have the same style
[11:33:32] <lechu_mys> yeah :)
[11:33:41] <lechu_mys> im not so stupid as you think :P
[11:33:43] <@mahlzeit> so it is up to the art director to make sure this happens -- but where is the art director? :-)
[11:33:58] <lechu_mys> hehe
[11:34:08] <lechu_mys> oh .. i have my old artworks on ftp
[11:34:14] <lechu_mys> i can give you a link
[11:34:28] <lechu_mys> and you can check it if you want
[11:34:28] <@mahlzeit> what i would do is this: make some icons, send them to mphipps and tell him you are interested in doing the art and maybe the art direction
[11:34:33] <@mahlzeit> sure
[11:35:17] <lechu_mys> but it is old artwork because i droped my HDD
[11:35:27] <lechu_mys> and i lost all my work :|
[11:35:45] <lechu_mys> http://it-hosting.pl/~beworld/lechu/
[11:35:48] <lechu_mys> oh
[11:35:48] <lechu_mys> w8
[11:36:08] <lechu_mys> http://it-hosting.pl/~beworld/lechu/max/
[11:36:10] <lechu_mys> here it is ;]
[11:36:29] <lechu_mys> eh if you have an artowrk man
[11:36:34] <lechu_mys> i think you dont need me
[11:36:56] <lechu_mys> but i think 2 artwork men is not 1 artowk man ;]
[11:37:08] <@mahlzeit> we _had_ an artwork man :-)
[11:37:17] <@mahlzeit> but i don't know where he is now
[11:37:20] <lechu_mys> hehe
[11:37:45] <lechu_mys> i think he is still welcoming new yer :P
[11:38:21] <lechu_mys> uh .. so i dont know if you need me .. i want to help with Haiku .. if not .. just say it :P
[11:38:46] <@mahlzeit> well, that's not my decision -- you have to talk to mphipps for that :-)
[11:38:53] <lechu_mys> uh
[11:38:54] <lechu_mys> ok
[11:39:48] <lechu_mys> as i say i made some icons for haiku but i have a new HDD and all work is in HDD Heaven :)
[11:40:15] <@mahlzeit> yeah along with a lot of my data :-)
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[11:40:56] <lechu_mys> ;]
[11:41:14] <lechu_mys> and what you think about this what i rescue ?:P
[11:41:34] <@mahlzeit> did you make all this with a 3d program?
[11:41:39] <lechu_mys> oh
[11:41:44] <lechu_mys> i must check it ;]
[11:41:55] <lechu_mys> i dont remember :P
[11:42:16] <@mahlzeit> because it looks that way
[11:42:48] <lechu_mys> yes
[11:42:56] <lechu_mys> even that heart is in 3d
[11:43:15] <lechu_mys> but it is old artwork :|
[11:43:37] <lechu_mys> i can make something in 2d ..
[11:43:43] <lechu_mys> but i like 3d more than 2d ;]
[11:44:46] <@mahlzeit> ok
[11:45:49] <lechu_mys> heh .. and did you like it ? :P
[11:46:02] <lechu_mys> i think at now i can do much better :P
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[11:46:18] <@mahlzeit> to be honest: not really :-(
[11:47:04] <@mahlzeit> it's not super bad, but it's not super good either
[11:47:10] <lechu_mys> i know
[11:47:11] <lechu_mys> ;]
[11:47:24] <lechu_mys> heh
[11:47:26] <lechu_mys> so i think
[11:47:31] <lechu_mys> i start to do somethink
[11:47:33] <lechu_mys> something
[11:47:42] <lechu_mys> and i hope i show you what i can :P
[11:47:52] <lechu_mys> i'll *
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[11:51:16] <lechu_mys> =D
[11:52:58] <lechu_mys> mahlzeit .. are you there ? :P
[11:53:04] <@mahlzeit> more or less
[11:56:23] <lechu_mys> heh
[11:56:23] <lechu_mys> ok
[11:56:24] <lechu_mys> ;]
[11:56:37] <lechu_mys> sorry for distrubing
[11:56:37] <lechu_mys> ;]
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[14:56:40] <_ziggy_> Just wondering, are you gonna add an ability to change window managers in Haiku?
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[15:06:55] <_jasper_> hi
[15:06:59] <_ziggy_> Hi.
[15:07:12] <@BGA> _ziggy_: I susre hope not.
[15:07:14] <_jasper_> can somebody help me?
[15:07:20] <@BGA> Our window manager is the app_server and that's it.
[15:07:31] <@BGA> _jasper_: Maybe.
[15:07:31] <_jasper_> i have problems with BONE under R5
[15:07:48] <_jasper_> i can't make dial-up connections
[15:08:01] <_jasper_> user/pass is correct
[15:08:01] <@BGA> Sorry, can't help you with that. And this is not exactly the channel for R5 questions.
[15:08:19] <_jasper_> thnx
[15:08:28] <_ziggy_> BGA: OK, but at least could you promise to make it configurable enough? I'd be happy if It'll be at least as configurable as fluxbox, even happier if it'll be as configurable as FVWM.
[15:08:40] <_ziggy_> BGA: It's too early to whine, though.
[15:09:33] <@BGA> _ziggy_: It will be configurable where it makes sense. We won't simply dump millions of configuration options just for the sake of it.
[15:10:22] <_ziggy_> BGA: At least for behaviour, I hope. How's it going so far by the way?
[15:11:34] <@BGA> It is progressing.
[15:13:38] <_jasper_> bye
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[15:15:17] <tic> interesting person. :)
[15:16:04] <_ziggy_> I'm looking forward to see it.
[15:16:24] <tic> Anyone given any thought to net-booting Haiku/BeOS/Zeta?
[15:16:46] <_ziggy_> Net-booting? What do you mean by that?
[15:17:25] <tic> PXE-boot, for example.  Let the computer load the kernel over the net using TFTP and then have the root live on an NFS server.
[15:18:49] <_ziggy_> Nice, indeed.
[15:19:26] <_ziggy_> It shouldn't be all that hard to implement. Right, devs?
[15:19:53] <tic> not quite sure how it'd work. requires a network block device, I think.
[15:20:04] <tic> and a way to wrap beos attribs and queries in NFS.
[15:20:58] <_ziggy_> tic: what I would do is let the boot manager download the kernel, load it to the memory and from there the kernel should have some kind of NFS driver to mount the root drive.
[15:21:53] <Procton> might need a NFS extension for attributes. Dunno if the kernel and its modules would need that.
[15:23:08] <_ziggy_> Actually, I think you should work on a decent IM program right now. I'm getting quite pissed off at BeMSN. It keeps crashing.
[15:23:25] <Procton> check out the beos im kit.
[15:24:08] <Procton> much nicer than any of the solutions i've seen on any other platform, even at this stage... not as featurefull yet though.
[15:30:35] <Procton> I haven't tried the MSN add-on though.
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[15:33:42] <_ziggy_> Is there a terminal replacement for BeOS that's like aterm?
[15:34:07] <Procton> as in transparent and stuff?
[15:34:33] <_ziggy_> Procton: Sure.
[15:34:44] <Procton> nope.. not that I know of. :/
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[15:34:47] <_ziggy_> Procton: Transparent terminals are the best thing ever.
[15:34:48] <Procton> z3r0_one!!
[15:35:00] <z3r0_one> hi Procton! :)
[15:35:14] <Procton> _ziggy_: I find them more annoying than helpful, but that's just me.
[15:35:26] <_ziggy_> Procton: Not helpful, just pretty.
[15:35:42] <Procton> ah... that doesn't do it for me. :)
[15:35:49] <tic> _ziggy_, #beosimkit or IM Kit on BeBits.
[15:35:59] <tic> _ziggy_, also, if you don't use FFM now, you should start doing so. :)
[15:36:03] <tic> z3r0_one!  'sup?
[15:36:13] <Procton> anyway... there are a few opensource terminals, IIRC. Shouldn't be too hard to make them transparent.
[15:36:16] <z3r0_one> hi tic, not much, how are you?
[15:36:38] * _ziggy_ is wondering what the heck is ffm...
[15:36:54] * _ziggy_ couldn't find FFM on BeBits.
[15:37:20] <tic> focus follows mouse, ziggy.
[15:37:33] <tic> z3r0_one, not much.. trying to get LIRC working with my ATI Remote Wonder (RF, USB)
[15:37:44] <_ziggy_> Oh, I love that. I use that all the time when I can.
[15:37:57] <tic> aha, goodie.
[15:38:01] <tic> just so you knew it existed in BeOS. :)
[15:38:05] <z3r0_one> tic: Ah, have fun... I wish I had the money for such toys :)
[15:38:12] <_ziggy_> tic: Sure did.
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[15:38:34] <tic> z3r0_one, it's super-cheap, like US$35?  uses RF instead of IR.
[15:38:42] <tic> z3r0_one, and I got it a loong time ago.
[15:38:45] <tic> speaking of which..
[15:39:16] <_ziggy_> The FFM in BeOS is pretty annoying.
[15:39:27] * Procton agrees with _ziggy_.
[15:39:31] <tic> _ziggy_, why?
[15:39:34] <Procton> but it is better than not having ffm atleast.
[15:39:38] <tic> what's annoying with it?
[15:39:59] <_ziggy_> It won't raise windows when clicking on them.
[15:40:08] <Procton> if I have only one window on a desktop and switches to it... it is very likely I want it to have focus even if the mouse is not over it.
[15:40:09] <_ziggy_> You should put that in Haiku.
[15:40:39] <Procton> _ziggy_: you could create an input filter to do that for you, I suppose.
[15:40:53] <_ziggy_> Procton: Never tried messing with those.
[15:41:24] <z3r0_one> tic: Now that I'm employed again, I'm looking forward to eventually building a new computer with such toys, but that will be some time off I'm afraid... I have some bills to catch up with first.
[15:41:33] <tic> _ziggy_, there's a auto-raise thingy on BeBits..
[15:41:37] <Procton> _ziggy_: not that hard.. the only difficulties is to find the current focused window, which forces you to use an undocumented system call. The Tracker uses it though, so it is kinda documented.
[15:42:03] <tic> z3r0_one, horray! congrats - where's the job? doing what?
[15:42:25] <z3r0_one> tic: http://www.twacomm.com basically doing IT work
[15:43:03] <tic> z3r0_one, well, why not?
[15:43:23] <tic> z3r0_one, as long as they pay you and all.  How many years do you expect before you've payed your bills?
[15:43:25] <tic> paid, even.
[15:44:25] <z3r0_one> tic: If I attempted to pay the big ones, it could be 4-5 years at least. But, that also depends on if I get any better offers while I'm working here or a nice raise at some point. :-)
[15:44:56] <_ziggy_> I found something called "Instant Click" that can fix this issue - http://www.bebits.com/app/1884
[15:45:50] <Procton> yup.. should fix the issue.
[15:46:24] <tic> z3r0_one, jikes. :|
[15:46:54] <z3r0_one> tic: The agony of being unemployed for 2.5 years out of the last 5.
[15:47:16] <_ziggy_> Wow, It's awesome. I recommand that to all of you..
[15:48:14] <tic> z3r0_one, indeed. :|
[15:48:27] <tic> I hate auto-raise though.
[15:48:53] <tic> I _want_ to be able to do work in background windows without raising them.
[15:49:08] <tic> better to click on the edges of the window or the tab.
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[16:01:18] <fyysik> heh, is it new one - http://secunia.com/internet_explorer_command_execution_vulnerability_test/ ?
[16:01:31] * mmu_man pets AutoRaise
[16:02:15] <@mmu_man> fyysik yeah... I'm thinking about implementing a shell: url handler for beos :D
[16:02:35] <@mmu_man> already have a telnet: one
[16:04:15] <fyysik> actually BeZilla has Reveal() function implemented for BeOS
[16:05:19] <fyysik> but there are some "bugs" which i didnt repair. So it don;t work, and no such kind of vulnerability yet
[16:11:58] <fyysik> storm here
[16:12:17] <fyysik> desktop reboots every 30 minutes
[16:12:32] <fyysik> with UPS it reboots every 5 minutes
[16:12:33] <@mahlzeit> we had storm yesterday
[16:14:10] <fyysik> old P100 with AT power supply which works as router here, don;t notice those electicity jumps at all. Viva ancient outdated technology!
[16:27:28] <@mmu_man> hehe
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[16:47:33] <_ziggy_> Everybody's using vision...
[16:47:45] <tic> yeah.
[16:47:48] <tic> it's the best!
[16:47:54] * mahlzeit isn't
[16:48:45] <_ziggy_> Too bad irssi wasn't ported to BeOS
[16:49:45] <tic> uh?
[16:50:01] <tic> it's probably just a compile away. But why use that when there's Vision?
[16:50:19] <_ziggy_> Because irssi is better.
[16:50:33] <_ziggy_> Well, actually , I tried it and it wasn't very easy. I'll try working on it.
[16:51:04] <Konrad> _ziggy_ what exactly is better?
[16:51:05] <tic> have you actually used Vision? :)
[16:51:21] <_ziggy_> Konrad: It has excellent scripting capabilities.
[16:51:29] <Konrad> So has Vision
[16:51:44] <_ziggy_> I don't think so :P
[16:52:06] <Konrad> And why spend time on something that runnes from a shell? Thats the first warning for me
[16:52:52] <@mahlzeit> one size doesn't fit all
[16:53:09] <@mahlzeit> people should be allowed to make life hard for themselves :-)
[16:53:12] <_ziggy_> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables -- WTF?
[16:53:30] <tic> haha.  what's that about? :)
[16:53:30] <Konrad> _ziggy_ what version do you run?
[16:53:41] <_ziggy_> Konrad: Of what?
[16:53:44] <Konrad> BeOS?
[16:53:54] <_ziggy_> Zeta.
[16:54:08] <Konrad> OK
[16:54:17] <_ziggy_> Zeta was the only one who had working drivers for my soundcard.
[16:54:37] <tic> oh? they should all be on BeBits.
[16:55:15] <@mmu_man> _ziggy_ I started porting irssi
[16:55:28] <@mmu_man> but that thing wants glib and other stuff
[16:55:37] <@mmu_man> there is glib somewhere around though
[16:55:51] <_ziggy_> Yeah, but my sound card is some onboard matsonic idiotic imported soundcard that uses the ac97 drivers the ones on BeBits are pretty bad...
[16:56:55] <@mahlzeit> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/08/web_surveillance_cams_open_to_all/
[16:59:48] * mahlzeit googles for cameras in naughty places
[17:00:43] * mmu_man jumps to switch his off
[17:01:51] <mumu25> i tried that as well, but i couldn't find an interesting one
[17:02:13] <mumu25> the only funny thing i found was a webcam showing my server
[17:04:50] <tic> o/~ brothers and sisters, it is my great priviledge to present to you the great leader ... o/~
[17:04:53] <tic> mahlzeit, guess the tune!
[17:05:02] <tic> or err, nevermind. wrong country. :)
[17:05:10] <@mahlzeit> ???
[17:05:13] <tic> priviledge, even
[17:05:27] <tic> mahlzeit, Funkadafi by Front 242
[17:05:35] <@mahlzeit> never heard of it/them
[17:05:47] <tic> Never heard any Front 242 songs?!
[17:05:57] <@mahlzeit> nope
[17:06:01] <Dr_Evil> Happyness!
[17:06:05] <tic> not even Headhunter?
[17:06:19] <@mahlzeit> don't think so
[17:06:28] <Dr_Evil> Happiness is much better!
[17:06:37] * mahlzeit fires up limewire
[17:06:45] <tic> o/~ I'm looking for a man, to sell him to other man, to sell him to other man, to make us rich and famous.. 1. you lock the target, 2. You bait the line, 3. you slowly spread the net, and 4. you catch the man! o/~
[17:06:52] <tic> s/a man/this man
[17:07:32] <tic> http://lyrics.rare-lyrics.com/F/Front-242/Headhunter.html
[17:07:45] <tic> (a bit wrong paraphrasing.)
[17:09:33] <@mahlzeit> bah crappy electro
[17:09:45] <tic> not electro. :)
[17:09:59] <tic> or well. almost, I guess.
[17:10:04] <@mahlzeit> sounds electronic to me :-)
[17:10:17] <tic> So, what kind of music do you listen to, mr. analog?
[17:10:39] <@mahlzeit> electronic can be analog too, you know :-)
[17:10:57] <@mahlzeit> <--- punk rock
[17:11:30] <tic> a-ha.
[17:11:35] <Dr_Evil> Front242 - Reboot Live"
[17:11:38] * tic listens a lot to swedish lolly-punk
[17:11:40] <@mahlzeit> no, not a ha
[17:11:43] <Dr_Evil> on that album, first track
[17:11:46] <@mahlzeit> crappy 80
[17:11:50] <@mahlzeit> 's music :-)
[17:11:54] <Dr_Evil> Happiness, great version
[17:12:00] <tic> and now, onto something completely different -- las ketchup :P
[17:12:35] 
[17:12:47] <frankps> horrible
[17:13:49] <@mahlzeit> actually, i was just listening to coco rosie
[17:14:14] 
[17:14:16] <tic> goat.
[17:15:34] <frankps> toc: I know. "Touch me" was just scarry
[17:15:41] <tic> yuck.
[17:15:45] <tic> bet it was.
[17:16:09] <tic> a-ha!
[17:16:13] <tic> Lilli & Sussie - Oh Mama
[17:16:59] <tic> o/~ | oh mama can't you tell, oh mama can't you tell, if he wants my love will you ring my bell :| o/~
[17:17:34] <tic> frankps, download that video. :)
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[17:22:51] <frankps> tic: http://www.winterandwinter.com/496.0.html
[17:23:41] <frankps> tic: http://www.winterandwinter.com/index.php?199&type=2&backPID=29&swords=piaf
[17:23:49] <frankps> that is what I am listen to now
[17:24:00] <frankps> No mama here
[17:26:03] <tic> edith piaf? :)
[17:26:07] <tic> *waiting for page to load
[17:26:33] <frankps> it's a special classic recording of songs once made by piaf
[17:26:41] <frankps> really a nice recording
[17:27:13] <tic> Ah.
[17:27:17] * tic listens to jazz.
[17:27:35] <frankps> winter&winter is one of the best labels in Europe.
[17:27:40] <Konrad> tic really? pervert
[17:27:50] <frankps> tic: then you should have a look at their recordings
[17:28:01] <frankps> I have some nice Jazz records from them
[17:29:05] <tic> okay.. I listen mostly to newschool-jazz, like EST and such.
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[21:01:22] <fyy> kill the fyysik
[21:01:28] <fyy> he is zombie
[21:01:55] <fyy> freenode seems slow in detecting disconnects
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[21:05:51] <Procton> fyy: If the nick is registered, you can force fyysik to be removed.
[21:06:43] <Procton> /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <pw>
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[21:31:13] <_ziggy_> Did anybody manage to get other decorations for the windows?
[21:33:36] <Bryan_W> it takes too much
[21:35:58] <@mmu_man> yay
[21:36:01] <@mmu_man> UserlandFS roxor :)
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[21:40:04] <_ziggy_> I know that alt+shift+ctrl and then pressing on the be menu gets you the ability to change decors.
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[21:40:14] <_ziggy_> But it doesn't work on Zeta.
[21:41:19] <Konrad77> _ziggy_ thats not the only thing that doesnt work, sliding tabs is also gone, its because it has an enhanced way of handling themes ( you can change the look way much easier in zeta ).
[21:41:28] <Konrad77> There should be a theme preference I think
[21:41:51] <_ziggy_> Konrad77: Yeah, those suck.
[21:42:21] <Konrad77> Make your own then, it uses LUA and tiff images if Iam not misstaken
[21:42:35] <Konrad77> I made the SMOKE decor so dont say to much 0)
[21:44:18] <_ziggy_> You did?
[21:44:36] <Konrad77> Hmm yes
[21:45:18] <_ziggy_> I must praise you then, it was the only one that wasn't either an XP replica or a bloated 3d thing (except for the classical)
[21:45:40] <Konrad77> Hehe, thanks
[21:50:07] <_ziggy_> Where are those decors?
[21:50:24] <Konrad77> beos/etc I think
[21:51:07] <_ziggy_> Oh, here I found it.
[21:51:53] <@mmu_man> yeah I like the smoke one
[21:52:21] <_ziggy_> I wonder how you edit them..
[21:52:37] <fyy> mmu_man do you think that UserlandFs may be used together with photo transmission protocol?
[21:52:55] <fyy> some cameras use it instead Mass Storage protocol
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[21:56:33] <@mmu_man> fyy probably
[21:56:59] <@mmu_man> I want to write some C++ code to publish an fs using BDataIO and stuff
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[21:57:16] <@mmu_man> I originally wanted to do that on top of uspacefs, but it's not much documented
[21:58:15] <@mmu_man> I want to write a WON-like stuff that'd support multiple protocols
[21:58:19] <@mmu_man> like NFS, maybe ftp also
[21:58:53] <@mmu_man> Konrad77 it fits nicely with a theme I did http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/shot_xemacs_native_theme_smoke.png
[21:59:13] <@mmu_man> and you can see XEmacs is even more integrated than in windoze =)
[21:59:28] <@mmu_man> (it handles ui color changes live even :)
[21:59:54] <Konrad77> Nice
[22:00:15] <@mmu_man> that'll probably be one of teh themes I'll put in zeta
[22:00:25] <tic> mmu_man, why the ".txt" extension?
[22:00:41] <tic> mmu_man, instead of, say, .theme? or nothing at all. they're all text/something anyway.
[22:00:46] <@mmu_man> oh because they are text fiules :)
[22:00:48] * tic suspects mmu_man is using a skin on Linux.
[22:00:55] <@mmu_man> text-flattened BMessages actually
[22:01:02] <tic> yeah yeah, excuses.
[22:01:11] <tic> I want to see .theme on those files, mister.
[22:02:20] <@mmu_man> well that was old code
[22:02:27] <tic> excuses, excuses.. ;)
[22:02:41] <tic> anyway, I think it's better you use .theme, or nothing at all.
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[22:02:51] <tic> and then set a file type of text/x-beos-theme or some such.
[22:02:53] <tic> hey Dnae
[22:02:55] <tic> Dane, too.
[22:03:03] <@mmu_man> oddly even Tracker got them as .bmp since they begin with "BM3
[22:03:06] <@mmu_man> "BM"
[22:03:27] <@mmu_man> tic text/x-zeta-theme is more appropriate:P
[22:03:33] <TuneTracker> tic!
[22:03:35] <TuneTracker> hi there
[22:03:37] <TuneTracker> ahnd hi mmu_man
[22:03:42] <TuneTracker> and hi Procton if he's around...
[22:03:47] <tic> mmu_man, yeah, that'll work too.
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[22:10:35] <_ziggy_> Konrad77: I'd be happy if you could share some information about how to create those decors.
[22:10:49] <Konrad77> _ziggy_ dont remember
[22:11:12] <_ziggy_> Konrad77: Come on...
[22:11:18] <Konrad77> I dont use zeta. But ask mmu_man he probably has template somewhere
[22:11:52] <_ziggy_> mmu_man: You "probably have tamplates somewhere", like Konrad77 said.
[22:14:57] <@mmu_man> hmm no, but maybe we'll publish an article on that
[22:15:08] <@mmu_man> I think there might be some sources on beshare
[22:23:25] <_ziggy_> Could anybody tell me what's the default RGB values for the desktop on BeOS?
[22:26:10] <@mmu_man> [revol@patrick ~]$ ~/devel/ui_color B_DESKTOP_COLOR
[22:26:11] <@mmu_man> 51,102,152,255
[22:26:13] <@mmu_man> :p
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[22:28:34] <tic> _ziggy_, ui_color(B_DESKTOP_COLOR) returns an rgb_color
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[22:31:15] <@mmu_man> ui_color is one of the many stuff I should put in cvs :)
[22:33:33] <Methe> it's in
[22:34:02] <Methe> I guess
[22:34:13] <Methe> it's in the headers of the rep at least for sure
[22:35:09] <@mmu_man> not the function, the CLI tool :p
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[22:53:27] <_ziggy_> Tracker.NewFS is great.
[22:55:52] <@mmu_man> dialogs are way too complex IMO
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[23:09:40] <tic> mmu_man, agreed.
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[23:15:02] <@mmu_man> <Cher>stars.. I'll... DJJiiiiuuuuuuuuooooooREGISTER ME djuuuuuiiiiiii</Cher>
[23:15:09] <@mmu_man> I definitely love that
[23:15:25] <@mmu_man> really wonder how much AI ther eis in SoundPlay it always pop up a propos
[23:18:35] <geist> REGISTER ME
[23:20:31] <Konrad> SoundPlay what is that?
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[23:21:10] * geist has a license to soundplay somewhere
[23:21:19] <geist> of course I got it from marco, who sat in the next cube from mine
[23:21:36] <geist> ist>	i dropped 20 bucks on this desk
[23:21:52] <Konrad> I hope that was for the license =)
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[23:22:27] <Konrad> I should really buy it, I use it for streaming music..
[23:22:43] <Konrad> Within the local network
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[23:24:49] <@mmu_man> I'll get one as soon as I have a paypal
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[23:24:59] <@mmu_man> but I want first make a specific accnt at the bank
[23:25:05] <@mmu_man> less dangerous :)
[23:25:26] <Dr_Evil> I have one, I just don't know where I stored it
[23:30:42] <tic> :]
[23:30:43] <tic> clever.
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[23:48:50] <@mmu_man> Dr_Evil tried a query ?
[23:48:57] <@mmu_man> you know that thing even Linux doesn't have :D
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