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[00:46:23] <CIA-5> axeld * current/src/add-ons/translators/rtftranslator/RTF.cpp:
[00:46:23] <CIA-5> The \'hh command is now also correctly interpreted (it's not a standard command).
[00:46:23] <CIA-5> The Text class no longer likes '\n' and '\r' and will throw those away happily.
[00:46:23] <CIA-5> parse_integer() can now parse integers with different radix.
[00:46:23] <CIA-5> Improved debug output a bit.
[00:55:52] <CIA-5> axeld * current/src/add-ons/translators/rtftranslator/convert.cpp:
[00:55:52] <CIA-5> Now stacks up group text_runs correctly - previously, the run on the stack could
[00:55:52] <CIA-5> still be changed by the new group (which lead, surprisingly, to wrong results :).
[00:55:52] <CIA-5> Added \line and \'hh commands (first part of charset support beyond plain ASCII).
[00:55:52] <CIA-5> Renamed GetStyle() to PrepareTextRun().
[00:55:53] <CIA-5> Added some support functions to copy and compare text_runs.
[00:56:07] <Bryan_W> get out of that folder
[00:56:19] <Bryan_W> go back into the kernel stuff
[00:56:33] <Dr_Evil> lol
[00:56:38] <@axeld> Bryan_W: hehe :))
[00:56:47] <Bryan_W> :)
[00:57:21] <@axeld> I just wanted to do something useful ;-))
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[00:59:01] <[Beta]> you do every day axeld :p
[00:59:18] <fyysik> hi axeld
[00:59:20] <@axeld> Hi fyysik
[00:59:39] <axeld> [Beta]: almost :))
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[02:09:27] <Tac> sup ladies.. heard beos was gettin a revival .. i bout shit
[02:09:41] <slaad> Parse error!
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[02:09:46] <[Beta]> lol
[02:09:58] <[Beta]> please, B_BAD_DATA
[02:10:00] <jonbryan> question:
[02:10:14] <slaad> Well, I've been writing parsing stuff lately, [Beta] :)
[02:10:16] <jonbryan> haiku uses C++ in it's kernel, right?
[02:10:23] <Dr_Evil> yes
[02:10:24] <[Beta]> more RSS Kit ?
[02:10:30] <slaad> Nah, libtemplate++
[02:10:34] <slaad> For the WebIMClient.
[02:10:35] <[Beta]> ah
[02:10:36] <jonbryan> did you guys rewrite your new and delete operators?
[02:10:38] <[Beta]> I guessed ;)
[02:10:52] <slaad> I should do something with the RSS thingo...
[02:11:11] <slaad> But I was going to release a new version of Snoopy first, as that was going to be the "viewer"
[02:11:20] <[Beta]> it'd be lovely to have a nice aggregator.
[02:11:59] <Dr_Evil> jonbryan no, they haven't been changed after the unitial implementation I think
[02:12:13] <jonbryan> :\
[02:12:20] <[Beta]> could you see Snoopy becoming part of the OS ? maybe in a different form ?
[02:12:29] <jonbryan> you guys don't rely on STL at all in the kernel hopefully?
[02:12:34] <jonbryan> or exceptions?
[02:13:11] <Dr_Evil> yes
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[02:15:16] <Tac> is it installable and usable as of right now?
[02:15:34] <Tac> and if so .. about what version of beos would it equivicate to....
[02:16:08] <Tac> equivocate? hmmm
[02:16:09] <[Beta]> Tac: Haiku? most of the BeOS Kits have been replaced, but its not installable nor standalone.
[02:16:19] <[Beta]> you still need r5 as the base.
[02:16:43] <Tac> hmm ... thats confusing
[02:17:06] <[Beta]> BeOS is a very modular system, therefore bits can be replaced/extended
[02:17:09] <Tac> so you are running be.. while you go thru and rewrite parts.. and continuing till you figured it out?
[02:17:17] <slaad> Nah, not really, [Beta]. Snoopy is just...a nice (in my opinion :) attribute viewer/editor.
[02:18:03] <[Beta]> just attribute viewing is .. kinda lacking, as I guess the reason for Snoopy..
[02:18:49] <[Beta]> Tac; and then once our kernel & app_server is complete, we'll be mostly there.
[02:19:55] <@axeld> jonbryan: you mean if we're using the standard new/delete operators or if we have written our own? We have certainly replaced them, but they still just use malloc. However, they won't throw exceptions
[02:20:49] <Tac> hmm is it legal to distribute r5 copies? to help .. or no .. only copy i can find layin around is 4.5
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[02:20:56] <slaad> Perhaps [Beta]. I mean, you can certainly view and edit attributes using Tracker. I just see Snoopy as an extension to that which gives a nicer interface to it.
[02:21:16] <[Beta]> BeBits.com has r5 PE
[02:21:32] <Tac> thats good enough?
[02:22:08] <[Beta]> but I dont think adjusting the image, or re-distributing r5 is allowed - hence BeOSMax's problems
[02:22:18] <Tac> what was beosmax
[02:22:40] <slaad> R5PE should be fine, unless you have an XP.
[02:22:44] <[Beta]> get r5, get the odd mem/cpu patch, get haiku drivers, you're mostly good. visit bebits.com to extend the system
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[02:25:01] <Tac> slaad, i have linux
[02:25:07] <Tac> i havent run windows since about 99
[02:25:21] <slaad> I feel for you Tac, I really do.
[02:25:24] <Tac> :-p
[02:25:26] <slaad> Running Linux and all :~(
[02:25:30] <slaad> I meant the processor.
[02:25:32] <Tac> i just wish i could find my damn r5 cd
[02:25:44] <Tac> oooh .. didnt know there was a processor called xp
[02:26:04] <slaad> Newer athlons. Unless I'm having a brain fart, which is entirely possible.
[02:26:07] <[Beta]> heh, i'm on linux too :(
[02:26:24] <slaad> Poor sods.
[02:26:32] <Tac> hell i love fc3 .. especially with XFCE .. im only on a p2 300 ... runs great
[02:26:55] <[Beta]> I'd like to say I only miss notepad.. but gvim is sweet
[02:27:05] <slaad> vi \m/
[02:27:09] * slaad hugs Eddie
[02:28:21] <Tac> [Beta], how many people workin right now?
[02:28:25] <mmadia> Tac you know you can download R5 Personal edition from http://www.bebits.com
[02:28:41] <Tac> its an iso? not just a windows install thing?
[02:28:49] <[Beta]> axel just did a few commits for the RTFTranslator
[02:28:57] <[Beta]> dont know about the others.. but I can hope.
[02:29:00] <mmadia> Tac no, but it can be worked into it's own partition.
[02:29:14] <Tac> mmadia, if its a windows installer than i cant use it....
[02:29:26] <mmadia> Tac if an cd-rom burnable image is what you want, try BeOS Max v3.1b , also available on bebits.
[02:29:35] <slaad> There's a looonix install thingie too, Tac
[02:29:36] <mmadia> the PE has a linux version as well.
[02:30:02] <mmadia> PhOS  ( looncraz's contraption, based on 5.1d0 -- same as what Zeta is based on )
[02:30:19] <Dr_Evil> not the same as Zeta
[02:30:34] <Tac> hmm k .. or is there an upgrade from 4.5 to 5 for beos.. kuz i have a 4.5 image
[02:30:45] <slaad> No, Tac.
[02:30:59] <slaad> The PE download is like.. 70mb or something.
[02:31:02] <slaad> *tiny*
[02:31:10] <Tac> im on cable im not worried bout size of stuff
[02:31:39] <Tac> im just annoyed i cant find my r5 cd .. then this whole mess would be avoidable
[02:31:40] <slaad> So why do you want a 4.5 -> 5 upgrade?
[02:31:50] <Tac> slaad, i have a 4.5 dick
[02:31:52] <Tac> disk too
[02:31:57] <slaad> You could have downloaded R5PE in the time you've been worrying about it. :)
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[02:32:14] <slaad> Now is the time on sprockets when we buy bread.
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[02:32:56] <Bryan_W> ewww
[02:32:57] * [Beta] laughs.
[02:32:58] <andrew_working> voidref
[02:33:09] <[Beta]> lo
[02:33:14] <andrew_working> hey [Beta]
[02:33:45] <[Beta]> you just missed pure comedy
[02:37:24] <slaad> O_o
[02:37:42] <mmadia> Dr_Evil i meant that Zeta is based off the same as PhOS,  5.1d0.... sorry if it was unclear.
[02:38:16] <slaad> I think Zeta is post 5.1
[02:38:38] <mmadia> no, in one of the early RC's it had a kernel from 5.1
[02:38:40] <slaad> Although, don't quote me. Unless I'm saying something intelligent ;)
[02:38:47] <andrew_working> not the kernel slaad
[02:38:51] <Kernel86> eh, zeta rc3 was VERY slow when i tried it...
[02:39:23] <Dr_Evil> things will improve with zeta I think
[02:39:24] <slaad> Ah, perhaps.
[02:39:32] * slaad too
[02:39:36] <Dr_Evil> neo SP1 works well for me
[02:39:42] <slaad> On account of them having a bunch of guys getting paid to improve stuff. ;)
[02:39:47] <andrew_working> I have a phos boot disk now but it doesn't support 1gb
[02:40:08] <[Beta]> Is it worth it to buy Zeta ?
[02:40:25] <Kernel86> not atm i think, wait a bit :)
[02:40:35] <mmadia> IMHO, no.   it's better to donate the money to Haiku...
[02:41:10] <mmadia> especially, as Haiku is proven to have source code,  whereas yT still has not proven they have source code and hence a very bright future ( aside from switching to use Haiku's codebase)
[02:41:20] <[Beta]> oh, dont worry, i'd do both anyhow.. just it is rather steep for, well, what it is
[02:41:31] <[Beta]> at 2/3 the price, i'd get it.
[02:41:37] <MikeW> they prolly DO have the source, just not any licence to use it
[02:42:02] <mmadia> [Beta] i fully agree,  especially as most of Zeta's functionality is available thanks to open-source developers and programs.
[02:42:31] <[Beta]> First time I was in here I said they probably do.. I took that back; I dont think they do now.. but its not nice not knowing :/
[02:43:07] <[Beta]> if yellowTab can get skype, then i'd pay just for that
[02:43:29] <andrew_working> ttfn
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[02:44:40] <[Beta]> I dont understand where they want to take Zeta.. why write a VoIP prog, when there are things like bluetooth, firewire, printing, etc to work on ?
[02:44:49] <[Beta]> thats just me though.
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[02:46:05] <Tac> so what theres like 10 groupls out there makin a beos clone?
[02:46:19] <[Beta]> nah, not 10 :)
[02:46:49] <[Beta]> yellowTab is the only commercial company selling BeOS w/ their own extensions - its called Zeta
[02:46:50] <Kernel86> screw bluetooth, mass WiFi support!
[02:46:57] <[Beta]> then you have the open source people.
[02:47:10] <[Beta]> my mobile only has bluetooth, so I know what I want :p
[02:47:17] <Kernel86> hehe
[02:47:28] <[Beta]> also want to be able to mRoute & sync it.. (sony-eric p910i btw)
[02:47:47] <Kernel86> i'm not putting beos back on my laptop cause i ned 802.11a & g cards :(
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[02:47:59] <[Beta]> shame.
[02:48:05] <Kernel86> yeah
[02:48:18] <[Beta]> that the cards cant work without normal drivers.
[02:48:30] <Kernel86> managed to get a compatable nic but wifi was to much...
[02:48:47] <Dr_Evil> Kernel86 the hfa384 driver works well with my WLAN card, prism 2.5 chipset
[02:49:00] <Kernel86> that g or a?
[02:49:05] <mmadia> Tac  a list of Open Source  BeOS derivates  :   Haiku fka OpenBeOS fka OBOS,   Mockup,  Blue Eyed OS ( B.E.O.S.),  Cosmoe.   Syllable can be thought of as BeOS inspired.
[02:49:23] <Kernel86> SkyOS as inspired? :P
[02:49:28] <Tac> so whats this zeta and YT thing
[02:49:33] <Kernel86> uses a kindda hacked BFS
[02:49:36] <Dr_Evil> don't know, 11 Mbit
[02:49:38] <[Beta]> SkyOS as "borrowing our good bits" ;)
[02:49:43] <Kernel86> that would be b then :(
[02:49:54] <Bryan_W> eww
[02:49:56] <[Beta]> www.yellowtab.com have a look
[02:50:09] <mmadia> Tac a list of BeOS distro's   yT Zeta ( commercial, based on 5.1d0 a leaked beta of Be's last OS),   PhOS ( a closed source, but free distro of 5.1d0 ),    BeOS Max ( R5 PE distro),  BeOS Developers Edition ( R5 PE distro) , ....
[02:50:16] <[Beta]> hmm, do I get click-throughs for that? :p
[02:50:26] <Dr_Evil> mmadia that is wrong
[02:50:28] <mmadia> note,  yT claims to have rights to distribute 5.1d0
[02:50:33] <mmadia> Dr_Evil what is wrong ?
[02:50:51] <Dr_Evil> Zeta is not based on a leaked beta
[02:51:09] <Dr_Evil> Phos is a illegal distribution
[02:51:14] <[Beta]> i'd say based on a non-public 5.x
[02:51:41] <mmadia> 5.1d0 is a beta,   at one point it is leaked, it can be found on the internet.     yT claims ( has not shown publicly) that it has rights to distribute 5.1d0... which is wrong?
[02:51:51] <Dr_Evil> and BeOS max and BeOS developers edition both violate R5 PE license, are illegal, too
[02:52:21] <[Beta]> technically illegal.
[02:52:27] <Dr_Evil> mmadia YT sells it. This way thesy are showing that they have the right to ditribute it
[02:52:28] <Kernel86> eh, Max never works right when i try it
[02:52:41] <liquidboy> dont the max and the developer edition violate a licence from a company that no longer existes? canceling  the licence?
[02:52:53] <mmadia> Dr_Evil  selling a product is not proof of legality.
[02:53:06] <[Beta]> Dr_Evil: pirates sell bootlegs all the time - doesnt confirm legality
[02:53:31] <Kernel86> mmadia: a point :P http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20050102084049.html
[02:53:33] <Dr_Evil> Assets were bought by Palm Inc. Palm owns the right now.
[02:53:55] <Dr_Evil> YT must be licensee, or Palm would have sent laywers their way
[02:54:11] <[Beta]> cant we request from yT a copy of the deal you have with Palm then ?
[02:54:15] <mmadia> Dr_Evil  that is not a requisite.  Palm can choose to ignore yT.
[02:54:16] <Kernel86> Palm doesn't are about it anyways =\
[02:54:34] <Kernel86> *care
[02:54:44] <[Beta]> under freedo-of-information, you could send us a 40 page blank document with 'removed' on each page..
[02:54:56] <[Beta]> at least we'd know it were 40 pages long.
[02:55:09] <mmadia> Dr_Evil following your logic,  Palm should have sent lawyers to shut dont DevEd, BeOS Max, and looncraz.
[02:55:26] <@axeld> mmadia: that's a different thing
[02:55:44] <Dr_Evil> they most likely wanted to avoid bad publicity
[02:55:57] <[Beta]> if Palm arent doing anything about it, arent they turning a blind eye? It'd be unfair if they started action now..
[02:55:57] <Dr_Evil> same reason for YT not shutting them down
[02:56:13] <[Beta]> well, yT couldn't, could they ?
[02:56:31] <Tac> now all you gotta do is get it worthwhile again and see about getting funding to continue from palm :)
[02:56:36] <[Beta]> you only have rights to distribute - not protect a product that isnt yours?
[02:56:56] <[Beta]> I mean, you would if BeOS max were extended Zeta
[02:57:28] <mmadia> also, yT has not mentioned anything about what happens when their license to distribute BeOS expires.   the license was made before Palm acquride Be Inc.
[02:57:35] <axeld> [Beta]: well, they could be interested in doing this since they are paying for something others obviously get for free - they could demand taking legal action from Palm
[02:57:50] <Dr_Evil> I'm not continuing this discussion
[02:57:55] <mmadia> ia>	i realize the license still has a year or two before expiration, but it still has an expiration date nonetheless.
[02:58:22] <[Beta]> thats ok Dr_Evil, I understand the position you're in
[02:58:42] <@axeld> mmadia: and you don't think they have an agreement with Palm since months?
[02:59:01] <mmadia> axeld i personally do not trust yT.
[02:59:06] <[Beta]> mmadia: yT would still own their developed products. and obviously, would contact Palm, to extend it.
[02:59:30] <mmadia> [Beta] but at that point, Palm could simply choose to not renew the license.
[02:59:49] <mmadia> so yT would have their components and lacking the majority of their OS.
[03:00:16] <[Beta]> ahh, but they have Haiku, whom is coming along to fill the gaps ;)
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[03:00:31] <[Beta]> which is why they encourage you, and in turn..
[03:00:57] <@axeld> Sure, I think we're the best choice for their future
[03:01:14] <[Beta]> they'd probably be a cause stipulating that they (Palm) couldn't pull out like that
[03:02:31] <[Beta]> when I have some money, i'll be making a microatx box for my be system - got the case ready now, its a fox's glacier mint tin.
[03:02:38] <[Beta]> it'll be my BeFox :D
[03:02:55] <[Beta]> thought that'd help the mood.
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[03:08:16] <[Beta]> nn
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[03:43:02] <slaad> What type is ino_t ? int64?
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[06:56:12] <@AndrewBachmann> hello mmadia
[06:56:19] <@AndrewBachmann> hello mmu_man :-)
[06:56:24] <@AndrewBachmann> Dr_Evil awake??
[06:56:26] <mmadia> hi AndrewBachmann , mmadia
[06:56:35] <@AndrewBachmann> lol
[06:56:44] <@AndrewBachmann> Fanskapet here?
[06:56:53] <mmadia> ah,  wrong tab-complete AndrewBachmann? :)
[06:57:10] <mmadia> ...seems i did too.
[06:57:17] <@AndrewBachmann> yeah, you're more funny :-)
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[08:06:20] <lizdeika> haha
[08:06:23] <lizdeika> hi lizdeika
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[08:15:32] <slaad> O_o
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[09:43:22] <JBurton> hi
[09:45:51] <Koki> bon jorno JBurton!
[09:54:00] <JBurton> ciao Koki
[10:01:55] <Koki> adios JBurton. hora de entregarse a los brazos de Morfeo. :-)
[10:04:20] <JBurton> bye koki, have a good sleep :P
[10:07:18] * Koki praises JBurton for his comprehension of the Castillian language.
[10:07:24] <Koki> bye JBurton
[10:08:03] <JBurton> bye :=)
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[10:21:35] <CIA-5> mmu_man * current/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/dos/dir.c: puni is already pointing outside of the string, no need for +1 here!
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[11:02:00] <slaad> Does anyone know of a license that is basically the BSD license but with the rider of "Not for commercial use" ?
[11:02:58] <JBurton> well.. no
[11:03:05] <JBurton> but you could create such a license
[11:03:13] <JBurton> I mean, just add "not for commercial use"
[11:03:18] <CIA-5> mmu_man * current/headers/os/drivers/mime_table.h:
[11:03:18] <CIA-5> header for a kernel mime_table module, so not every fs will bundle its own.
[11:03:18] <CIA-5> The API makes it possible to later use faster indexed search on the table.
[11:03:18] <CIA-5> The table could probably also be regenerated by running a script on setmime -dump.
[11:05:23] <slaad> Yeah, but I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm a coder guy, not a lawyer ;)
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[11:08:40] <CIA-5> mmu_man * current/src/add-ons/kernel/generic/mime_table/ (Jamfile makefile mime_table.c module.c): A kernel mime_table module, so not every fs will bundle its own.
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[11:25:06] <JBurton> slaad eheh
[11:25:22] <JBurton> slaad well, anyway, you just need to add that line, you don't need to be a lawyer to do that :)
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[11:38:38] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi everyone
[11:38:45] <CIA-5> mmu_man * current/src/add-ons/kernel/generic/mime_table/ (mktable.sh module.c): added a script to build the table from setmime; fix (c)
[11:39:39] <ahwayakchih> wow! today's strip is about me! http://sinfest.net/ ;D
[11:40:01] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi JBurton
[11:40:11] <JBurton> hey ahwayakchih
[11:40:21] <ahwayakchih> BTW Happy New Year everyone! :)
[11:41:55] <@mmu_man> comments on mime_table ?
[11:42:20] <Monni> anything is fine if it's made by mad frenchman ;)
[11:43:11] <JBurton> thanks, ahwayakchih, and to you too
[11:43:49] <ahwayakchih> THX :)
[11:47:37] <ahwayakchih> http://userfriendly.org/ hehe (i don't like LotR ;)
[11:47:54] <JBurton> aaargh heretic
[11:47:55] <JBurton> :)
[11:48:54] <ahwayakchih> hehe
[11:50:30] <ahwayakchih> JBurton even more: i don't like Star Wars (liked only "old" three parts, and olnly when i was younger) too ;] Or Star Trek (i only liked old tv serie with that bald guy as captain :)
[11:50:43] <ahwayakchih> JBurton i guess i'm not a geek after all ;]
[11:51:01] <JBurton> well, I too only like the old SW episodes
[11:51:21] <JBurton> and yeah, I too don't like newer star trek series :P
[11:51:34] <JBurton> I liked The next generation and the older one
[11:53:17] <ahwayakchih> :)
[11:53:39] <JBurton> well, btw, Star Trek: Enterprise is cool too
[11:53:51] <JBurton> but I guess it's just because I like Scott Bakula (the Captain)
[11:54:05] <ahwayakchih> heh, so You're more geeky than me :)
[11:54:19] <JBurton> ahahah
[11:54:40] <ahwayakchih> ih>	i also didn't like Babilon5 and some other "geek's cult" movies/series ;]
[11:56:25] <ahwayakchih> still i like Willow
[11:56:37] <ahwayakchih> :)
[11:59:51] <JBurton> well, I don't even know what's Babilon 5 :)
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[12:01:00] <ahwayakchih> it was something like StarTrek, more or less
[12:02:04] <ahwayakchih> (it was because they cancelled it IIRC - i remember geeks calling everyone to sign on petition to "save Babilon5" :)
[12:03:05] <JBurton> oh
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[12:23:13] <ahwayakchih> cya everyone
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[12:31:23] <JBurton> bbl lunch
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[12:39:08] <Methe> hola
[12:44:21] <Fanskapet> http://www.sidvicious.se/ferrari/01.jpg http://www.sidvicious.se/ferrari/02.jpg my new beuty :)
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[12:47:34] <Methe> BeOS is not on it
[12:47:56] <Fanskapet> no :/
[12:48:01] <Fanskapet> doesn't boot
[12:48:03] <Fanskapet> bah
[12:49:24] <Methe> :((((
[12:51:08] <Fanskapet> my hopes now lie in the path of Zeta NEO :)
[12:51:22] <Methe> redemption
[12:51:27] <Begasus> lol
[12:51:37] <Fanskapet> although i could maybe get the original R5 to run on it. with some kernel patching..
[12:51:39] <Fanskapet> maybe
[12:51:57] <Fanskapet> but the installer in Zeta RC3 just goes pitch black after the booting screen
[12:52:22] <Methe> huhu
[12:58:01] <Methe> JBurton ?
[12:58:53] <Methe> JBurton got your drawing code.
[13:12:03] <Methe> what's JBurton's mail lol ?
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[13:36:40] <Dr_Evil> hello AndrewBachmann
[13:36:54] <Dr_Evil> no I wasn't awake at 7 after going to bed at 4
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[13:43:58] <JBurton> Methe I'm back
[13:44:11] <Methe> :]
[13:44:22] <Methe> what's your mail adress so I can send stuffs to u ?
[13:45:15] <JBurton> burton666 at libero dot it
[13:45:23] <Methe> sending now :D
[13:45:28] <JBurton> thanks :)
[13:45:36] <JBurton> I'll try it and commit it if it's good :P
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[13:47:16] <Methe> sent
[13:47:27] <JBurton> Methe thanks, I'll have a look in short time :P
[13:47:36] <Methe> there's a testApp and a screenshot comparing Menu and your/min drawing code
[13:47:47] <JBurton> Methe what's your full name, btw ? (so I can write it in the commit message)
[13:48:06] <Methe> u dont really need to. It was amost copy/paste your code
[13:48:18] <Methe> I even wondered why u didnt do it
[13:48:34] <JBurton> er.. ok I'll look at it :P
[13:48:54] <Methe> tell me if any problem
[13:49:02] <Methe> or if any other small task todo :)
[13:49:35] <JBurton> oki
[13:49:46] <JBurton> thanks for your work, btw
[13:49:52] <Methe> no pb
[13:49:55] <Methe> :]
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[13:54:53] <JBurton> hi ShackaN
[14:00:02] <CIA-5> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/ (Menu.cpp MenuBar.cpp MenuWindow.cpp):
[14:00:02] <CIA-5> The frame around the BMenu is now drawn by a special class (as happens in beos),
[14:00:02] <CIA-5> and not by BMenu::DrawBackground(). Refactored BMenuWindow to support scrolling
[14:00:02] <CIA-5> (not implemented yet). The AddItem() functions now call the private _AddItem().
[14:00:02] <CIA-5> Implemented AddList(), but it's not tested. BMenus are now offsetted by 2, 2, as
[14:00:03] <CIA-5> in BeOS.
[14:00:39] <[Beta]> neat.
[14:00:47] <CIA-5> jackburton * current/headers/private/interface/MenuWindow.h: Updated header
[14:00:58] <JBurton> Methe and now, your changes :P
[14:01:37] <Methe> :))
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[14:07:52] <JBurton> Methe I'm going to apply the changes. Have you just added code for the style "2", right ?
[14:08:16] <Methe> yes
[14:08:23] <Methe> I didn't know there was something else to do
[14:08:24] <Methe> :x
[14:08:33] <Methe> I thought about removing the TODO comment on style 1
[14:08:48] <Methe> but u can check yourself with the screenshot.
[14:09:04] <Methe> and according to it it seems both Be and ours implementation is the same
[14:09:10] <Methe> even though ours looks a little darker
[14:09:16] <JBurton> hmmm okay
[14:09:21] <JBurton> I'll keep it anyway for now :P
[14:09:30] <Methe> yeah it's a comment line anyway :x
[14:09:41] <[Beta]> anyone around to field a question about IM Kit ?
[14:10:06] <Methe> but if u have small others tasks. I might do that if u want. Butgot no tie for big stuffs ;(
[14:10:12] <JBurton> eheh
[14:10:17] <JBurton> ok, i'll see what I got
[14:10:24] <Methe> dont search too much :)))
[14:10:29] * Methe whistles
[14:11:13] <JBurton> eheh
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[14:13:55] <CIA-5> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/SeparatorItem.cpp: Implemented separator style 2, courtesy of Olivier Milla
[14:14:12] <Methe> argh he found my name.
[14:14:14] <JBurton> did I write your name correctly ? :P
[14:14:25] <Methe> yes
[14:14:29] <Methe> sounds italian name
[14:14:56] <JBurton> yeah :P
[14:15:03] <JBurton> btw, I was going to commit with "Oliver"
[14:15:10] <Methe> my grandfather comes from South east of france
[14:15:14] <JBurton> luckily I re-read the name a couple of times :P
[14:15:18] <Methe> the>	the little part that is now french
[14:15:30] <Methe> and that italia and France fought
[14:15:42] <Methe> that went back & forth italian/french all along history
[14:15:44] <Methe> :x
[14:15:55] <Methe> cant remember its name
[14:15:57] 
[14:16:06] <Methe> anyway
[14:16:30] <Methe> might also come from maybe Polska jude origin
[14:16:40] <Methe> as "milla" means "the word" in juish
[14:17:07] <Methe> now u know everything lol :x
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[14:19:14] <JBurton> Piemonte
[14:19:37] <JBurton> I mean
[14:19:56] <JBurton> Piemonte was a part of Italia which was allied with France
[14:20:18] <Methe> wow I remembered the name :x
[14:20:28] * Methe impressed himself
[14:20:50] <Methe> now got to go to school
[14:20:52] <Methe> see you
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[14:21:05] <JBurton> bye methe and thanks
[14:21:06] <JBurton> oh
[14:21:08] <JBurton> sh..
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[15:19:21] <[Beta]> -//	Copyright (c) 2003-2005, Haiku, Inc.
[15:19:21] <[Beta]> +//	Copyright (c) 2003-2004, Haiku, Inc.
[15:19:28] <[Beta]> why would anyone do that ?
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[15:24:16] <JBurton> er
[15:24:18] <JBurton> did I do that ?
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[15:26:35] <JBurton> [Beta]
[15:26:40] <[Beta]> yeah, in the last commit for current/headers/private/interface/MenuWindow.h
[15:26:48] <JBurton> argh, sorry :P
[15:27:03] <JBurton> well, I'll fix that next time I commit it ;P
[15:27:05] <JBurton> thanks for the info
[15:27:44] <[Beta]> annoying having cvs lag. CIA tells us, then I get the email, then I have to wait to query the view-cvs
[15:28:07] <JBurton> yes, I am
[15:28:16] <JBurton> [Beta] it's annoying for me too :P
[15:28:17] <[Beta]> wouldn't a *-2006 be a good blanket copyright? cant that be done..
[15:28:30] <[Beta]> so, is JBurton just a 'friendly' name ?
[15:28:30] <JBurton> no, I don't think it's possible to do that
[15:28:32] <Dr_Evil> [Beta] no
[15:28:34] <JBurton> exactly :P
[15:28:53] <[Beta]> I see.. got confused when I saw your email after `his` name
[15:29:08] <[Beta]> shows I dont know much about haiku/peeps
[15:30:39] <JBurton> well, I guess not many people know I'm Stefano
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[15:32:56] <[Beta]> ah, no biggie - my real name differs slightly too; but I've been john for 10 years, so its staying.
[15:33:02] <Dr_Evil> we are all hiding
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[15:38:03] <JBurton> Dr_Evil eheh
[15:42:33] <CIA-5> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/ (Menu.cpp MenuWindow.cpp SeparatorItem.cpp): Many visual fixes to BMenu. Now it's almost undistinguable from the real thing. SeparatorItems were being drawn too dark. Fixed.
[15:45:53] <JBurton> http://burton666.neoni.net/menu_perfect.jpg
[15:46:01] <JBurton> http://burton666.neoni.net/menu_be.jpg
[15:47:26] <JBurton> ops, I used a different separator style
[15:47:49] <JBurton> undistinguable....
[15:47:54] <JBurton> hmmm I wonder if there's a word like that :P
[15:50:03] <[Beta]> lol
[15:50:32] <[Beta]> how come its slighty wider ?
[15:50:56] <JBurton> [Beta] heh
[15:51:00] <[Beta]> but damn, with the other separator, you wouldn't be able to tell..
[15:51:17] <JBurton> well, I had enough for today, so I just added a random number to the width :P
[15:51:37] <JBurton> instead of using trial and error
[15:52:30] <JBurton> I added 20 to the menu width
[15:52:33] <JBurton> I think 15 is enough
[15:54:50] <Dr_Evil> JBurton you can use magnify to have a look at the original colors
[15:54:59] <JBurton> Dr_Evil yeah, I know :P
[15:55:03] <JBurton> the colors are ok, though
[15:55:10] <JBurton> it's just that the menu window is a bit too wide
[15:55:14] <Dr_Evil> however, you should use ui_color() and tint_color()
[15:55:27] <JBurton> Dr_Evil didn't I use them ?
[15:55:40] <Dr_Evil> I didn't look at the code
[15:55:44] <JBurton> ah :P
[15:55:48] <JBurton> well, I use them ;P
[15:55:49] * [Beta] sniggers
[15:58:28] <JBurton> [Beta] did I reverted back the copyright year again by chance ? :P
[15:59:20] * [Beta] hasnt got it yet :pp
[16:00:08] <JBurton> I think I already got the mail
[16:00:11] <[Beta]> if IMKit got MSN alert support, itd be nice to have CIA send them
[16:00:28] <[Beta]> i'm downloading from usenet, so mozilla is .. dazed
[16:00:40] <[Beta]> its hopeless for newsgroups (at least, binary)
[16:01:25] <[Beta]> no visual feedback .. i've just got to wait for the window to redraw. and it'll be 30 mins I reckon
[16:01:51] <JBurton> aaargh
[16:02:32] <JBurton> that's sick
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[16:19:34] <[Beta]> what's sick.. is missing 1 part from an 90+ part mail
[16:20:13] <[Beta]> or missing 15 parts from 15*90 mails.
[16:20:18] <JBurton> argh that's sick too
[16:21:54] <[Beta]> Rudolf writes funny emails :)
[16:23:26] <JBurton> the one to the app server list ?
[16:23:34] <[Beta]> nah, personal.
[16:23:56] <JBurton> ah :)
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[16:27:25] <JBurton> heya mahlzeit
[16:27:49] <@mahlzeit> hey JBurton
[16:27:54] <[Beta]> later.
[16:30:20] <JBurton> later [Beta]
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[16:36:16] <lechu_mys> :|
[16:36:19] <lechu_mys> hi ;]
[16:36:26] <JBurton> hi lechu_mys
[16:36:30] <lechu_mys> hihi
[16:36:33] <lechu_mys> i have problem ;]
[16:36:35] <JBurton> were you lucky ?
[16:36:37] <JBurton> oh :)
[16:36:42] <lechu_mys> i lose it again ;]
[16:36:47] <lechu_mys> lost ;]
[16:36:57] <lechu_mys> whatever .. i dont know good english ;]
[16:37:12] <JBurton> lost the mail address ?
[16:37:18] <lechu_mys> yes :|
[16:37:34] <lechu_mys> if you are good man ;]
[16:37:38] <lechu_mys> please
[16:37:42] <lechu_mys> ;)
[16:38:04] <JBurton> http://haikunews.org/index2.php/?id=955&page=4
[16:38:09] <JBurton> it's in that page :P
[16:38:13] <lechu_mys> uu
[16:38:16] <lechu_mys> ;]
[16:38:20] <lechu_mys> magic :P
[16:39:49] <lechu_mys> mphipps1 at rochester dot rr.com ? :>
[16:40:13] <JBurton> yeah
[16:40:42] <lechu_mys> =D
[16:40:48] <lechu_mys> hihi ;)
[16:40:50] <lechu_mys> thanks ;]
[16:42:49] <JBurton> np
[16:44:47] <lechu_mys> hihi
[16:44:54] <lechu_mys> one more ;]
[16:44:57] <lechu_mys> im just lechu
[16:45:06] <JBurton> how could you lose it twice, btw ? :P
[16:45:06] <lechu_mys> mys>	mys -> this is location information
[16:45:18] <lechu_mys> lechu_mys>	lechu is very popular
[16:45:37] <lechu_mys> so i cant log in with lechu ;]
[16:45:46] <lechu_mys> oh .. its very simple ;]
[16:45:52] <lechu_mys> mys>	my mouse dont work ;]
[16:46:08] <lechu_mys> and i thought i save it
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[16:46:36] <lechu_mys> and now you can se result :|
[16:46:45] <lechu_mys> i have a new mouse ;] USB :P
[16:46:47] <lechu_mys> hihi ;)
[16:46:54] <lechu_mys> and optical
[16:47:20] <lechu_mys> i think now it will be work long time :)
[16:47:41] <JBurton> eheh
[16:47:46] <lechu_mys> oh
[16:47:55] <lechu_mys> i sent a link to my old work
[16:48:11] <lechu_mys> becouse i lost my whole 3d and 2d work with my HDD
[16:48:12] <lechu_mys> http://it-hosting.pl/~beworld/lechu/max/
[16:48:21] <lechu_mys> you can check it if you want
[16:48:28] <lechu_mys> but i think nothing interesting
[16:49:10] <lechu_mys> old ;)
[16:50:02] <JBurton> can't reach
[16:50:23] <lechu_mys> why ?
[16:50:29] <JBurton> don't know
[16:50:34] <lechu_mys> 404 ?
[16:50:55] <JBurton> no, can't resolve
[16:51:07] <lechu_mys> uuuu
[16:51:15] <lechu_mys> i can resolve .. im sure
[16:52:01] <lechu_mys> http://it-hosting.pl/~beworld/lechu/max/logobe/16.jpg ??
[16:52:15] <lechu_mys> probably cant resolve again ..
[16:52:24] <JBurton> maybe it's blocked from foreign countries ?
[16:52:34] <lechu_mys> uj
[16:52:35] <lechu_mys> uh
[16:52:36] <lechu_mys> maybe ..
[16:52:42] <lechu_mys> but i sent a link on this @
[16:52:49] <lechu_mys> uh .. shit ..
[16:52:50] <lechu_mys> im not admin
[16:52:53] <lechu_mys> i dont know ..
[16:53:02] <@mahlzeit> it>	it works here
[16:53:10] <JBurton> hmmm it doesn't here
[16:53:14] <lechu_mys> uh JBurton
[16:53:23] <lechu_mys> if you want give me your @
[16:53:26] <Dr_Evil> works here
[16:53:29] <lechu_mys> i send you this
[16:53:30] <lechu_mys> ;]
[16:54:17] <lechu_mys> this is just my ftp .. when my stop work again .. you know what i mean ? :>
[16:54:25] <lechu_mys> i cant say it good in egnlish :|
[16:54:46] <lechu_mys> when my HDD stop working ..
[16:54:50] <lechu_mys> kind of copy ;]
[16:56:18] <Dr_Evil> off site backup?
[16:58:54] <lechu_mys> jeah
[16:58:57] <lechu_mys> i think ;]
[16:59:11] <lechu_mys> i dont know .. i dont know good english
[16:59:59] <lechu_mys> and i cant use good english in PC language
[17:00:02] <lechu_mys> sorry :|
[17:00:13] <@AndrewBachmann> Dr_Evil thanks for the 810 info
[17:00:37] <JBurton> hey AndrewBachmann
[17:00:37] <lechu_mys> uh .. and what abaut my old work ?
[17:00:41] <JBurton> welcome back
[17:00:52] <Dr_Evil> hello AndrewBachmann!
[17:01:05] <@AndrewBachmann> I guess I am looking for an ATI laptop now
[17:01:26] <Dr_Evil> don't want to write a driver?
[17:01:36] <@AndrewBachmann> leaving in 9 days
[17:01:55] <@AndrewBachmann> otherwise I would be interested probably
[17:02:09] <JBurton> leaving ? holidays AndrewBachmann ?
[17:02:44] <Dr_Evil> what are you leaving?
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[17:07:01] <@AndrewBachmann> leaving the country
[17:07:14] <@AndrewBachmann> going to China for ~45 days
[17:07:31] <@voidref> didja find a laptop?
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[17:07:54] <@AndrewBachmann> voidref there isn't any support for intel extreme graphics 2 (intel 855 GME)
[17:08:02] <@AndrewBachmann> so I have to re-evaluate
[17:08:21] <lechu_mys> JBurton - you have an e-mail ;]
[17:08:53] <JBurton> AndrewBachmann oh
[17:08:55] <JBurton> cool
[17:08:55] <@voidref> really? do you have that driver I was talking about?
[17:09:03] <JBurton> lechu checking...
[17:09:03] <@AndrewBachmann> 810?
[17:09:23] <JBurton> lechu not yet :P
[17:09:35] <lechu_mys> i dont know who here is a master
[17:09:53] <JBurton> I am. I am the Master of the Universe
[17:09:55] <lechu_mys> but i think i will receive answer ;]
[17:10:31] <@voidref> AndrewBachmann, i855
[17:10:37] <@voidref> if not, I can give it to you
[17:11:35] <@AndrewBachmann> voidref?  the 810 driver?
[17:11:43] <@AndrewBachmann> oh, sorry didn't scroll
[17:11:49] <@AndrewBachmann> please do give it to me voidref :-)
[17:11:50] <@voidref> idref>	i can give you the 855 driver
[17:11:52] <@voidref> ok
[17:12:36] <@AndrewBachmann> email to abachmann at mail dot arc.nasa.gov or shatty at myrealbox dot com pls
[17:13:21] <@AndrewBachmann> or that is fine
[17:13:22] <@AndrewBachmann> :-P
[17:13:22] <@voidref> dcced
[17:13:42] <@AndrewBachmann> any distribution restrictions?
[17:13:51] <@voidref> yes, please don'
[17:13:53] <@voidref> t
[17:13:55] <@AndrewBachmann> ok
[17:13:59] <@voidref> thanks
[17:14:18] <@voidref> what version of BeOS are you using?
[17:14:44] <@AndrewBachmann> r5 pro
[17:14:48] <@AndrewBachmann> problem?
[17:15:14] <@AndrewBachmann> I have rights to a copy of zeta
[17:15:43] <@voidref> ok, then you have the rights to this driver as well
[17:15:47] <@voidref> oh, i forgot the accelerant
[17:15:48] <@voidref> oops
[17:15:50] <@voidref> moment please
[17:17:52] <@voidref> hmm, how much time do you have, the accelerant might not be ready yet...
[17:18:11] <@AndrewBachmann> 9 days deadline
[17:18:25] <@AndrewBachmann> but if I can't walk in to someplace and test that limits the usefulness :-)
[17:18:28] <@AndrewBachmann> anyway gtg work
[17:18:45] <@AndrewBachmann> (estimated time of arrival?)
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[17:23:42] <JBurton> bye all, I'm off
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[17:24:40] <lechu_mys> ha
[17:24:42] <lechu_mys> =D
[17:24:54] <lechu_mys> greatings for all ;]
[17:25:02] <lechu_mys> for no reason ;)
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[17:30:34] <lechu_mys> :|
[17:31:07] <AnEvilYak> wb
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[17:49:23] <tqh> anyone has a good way of converting a win textfile to a 'proper' one?
[17:49:44] <tqh> from \10\13 to \n
[17:49:54] <@mahlzeit> tr -d '\r' < infile > outfile
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[17:50:11] <@mahlzeit> or use one of the tools from bebits
[17:50:58] <AnEvilYak> tqh: dos2unix on bebits I think
[17:52:05] <tqh> ah ok
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[17:56:27] <tqh> ah, it was easier to cut n paste from firefox to new file.
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[18:16:55] <lechu_mys> bye all ;]
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[18:47:44] <fyysik> Jan 04 17:47:44 <fyysik>
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[19:33:47] <andrew_working> hello voidref
[19:34:09] <andrew_working> just got to work
[19:34:14] <andrew_working> is that accelerant still in development?
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[19:35:00] <tic> hey andrew!
[19:35:03] <fyysik> Jan 04 18:35:03 <fyysik>
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[19:35:12] <tic> fyysik, hm?
[19:35:22] <andrew_working> hello tic hello lechu_mys
[19:35:31] <andrew_working> fyysik, etc. :-)
[19:35:33] <lechu_mys> mmm
[19:35:41] <lechu_mys> hello
[19:35:44] <lechu_mys> :P
[19:36:24] <lechu_mys> im bak :)
[19:36:29] <lechu_mys> back *
[19:36:40] <andrew_working> what are you going to work on for haiku lechu_mys?
[19:36:48] <andrew_working> graphic design? (icons, etc.)
[19:36:50] <lechu_mys> mmm
[19:36:54] <lechu_mys> i can help
[19:37:02] <lechu_mys> uh .. i want to help :)
[19:37:14] <lechu_mys> but i dont know ..
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[19:37:42] <lechu_mys> i sent @ with link to my old graphics
[19:38:06] <tic> lech mysliwski? :=
[19:38:07] <tic> :)
[19:38:30] <lechu_mys> mys>	m ? :> eh no ;]
[19:38:47] <tic> okay, was just guessing from "mys"
[19:38:55] <lechu_mys> no no
[19:38:59] <lechu_mys> it is location
[19:39:08] <lechu_mys> because many people use nick lechu
[19:39:12] <lechu_mys> so it is from Myslowice
[19:39:23] <tic> ah. is that in northern or southern poland?
[19:39:35] <lechu_mys> eee souther near Katowice in Silesia
[19:39:45] <tic> aha.
[19:39:52] <tic> Hm.. think I've actually been in Katowice, once.
[19:40:19] <lechu_mys> ;)
[19:40:28] <lechu_mys> andrew .. are you there ?
[19:40:33] <andrew_working> yes
[19:40:40] <lechu_mys> http://www.it-hosting.pl/~beworld/lechu/max/ -> if you want you can check it
[19:41:02] <lechu_mys> all made by me .. but long time ago
[19:41:23] <andrew_working> I don't really know much about graphic design
[19:41:24] <lechu_mys> if i can help with making haiku i want help
[19:41:43] <lechu_mys> oh that's not a graphic design
[19:41:59] <lechu_mys> there are wokrs which i still have
[19:42:14] <lechu_mys> becaouse my HDD some time ago stop working .. and .. :|
[19:42:23] <lechu_mys> i lost most of my works
[19:42:27] <tic> ouch. :|
[19:42:37] <lechu_mys> becaouse i dont have cd-recorder
[19:42:48] <lechu_mys> yes .. ouch :|
[19:42:55] <lechu_mys> tic ? where are you from ?
[19:43:10] <tic> Sweden.
[19:43:34] <lechu_mys> andrew : and .. do you think i can help ?
[19:43:47] <lechu_mys> i know im not a god of graphic works
[19:43:57] <lechu_mys> but as i say this works are old ..
[19:44:09] <lechu_mys> uuu so .. mysliwski ? you know Polish ?
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[19:44:24] <tic> an 04 18:44:24 <tic>	a bit, yeah.
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[19:44:36] <lechu_mys> wow .. why ?
[19:44:36] <tic> hmm?
[19:44:43] <tic> makta z polsce :)
[19:44:48] <tic> matka, nawet.
[19:44:49] <lechu_mys> aaa :)
[19:44:55] <lechu_mys> everything is clear ;]
[19:44:58] <tic> Yeah. :)
[19:45:11] <lechu_mys> do you read sometimes www.beos.pl ? or www.haiku-os.pl ?
[19:45:16] <Dr_Evil> oh Bernd was visiting us :-)
[19:45:23] <AnEvilYak> signs that I'm a dork
[19:45:23] <lechu_mys> oh ..
[19:45:27] <AnEvilYak> I interpreted .pl as Perl
[19:45:33] <lechu_mys> i dont like Bernd
[19:45:33] <tic> Heh.
[19:45:37] <lechu_mys> and whole yT ;]
[19:45:46] <tic> lechu_mys, no, I didn't know they even existed, actually.
[19:46:02] <tic> lechu_mys, any reason you dislike the rest of yT? Bernd I could understand, but it's not really fair to the rest of the guys.
[19:46:07] <tic> (and girls)
[19:46:21] <lechu_mys> so .. i think its time ;] to visit polish Be sites :P
[19:46:33] <lechu_mys> uuu ... oh .. you know
[19:46:41] <lechu_mys> mmm .. i dont know ;]
[19:46:48] <tic> Cool! I even get ldash and s' in Firefox.
[19:46:59] <lechu_mys> i wrote many letters to yT
[19:47:18] <tic> yeah? like?
[19:47:20] <lechu_mys> even to Bernd
[19:47:24] <Dr_Evil> lechu_mys YT is watching you ;-)
[19:47:46] <lechu_mys> oh .. Dr_Evil .. .uh :|
[19:47:56] <lechu_mys> Zeta is a commercial OS
[19:48:03] <tic> okay, that's enough for my wrist for a while. ciao.
[19:48:06] <lechu_mys> and i think this is reason
[19:48:08] <AnEvilYak> tic: no comment ;p
[19:48:13] <lechu_mys> ok
[19:48:15] <lechu_mys> bye tic ;]
[19:48:24] <tic> AnEvilYak, bah! I could've been seriously hurt by that car!
[19:48:28] <tic> bye lechu
[19:48:30] <AnEvilYak> tic: ;p
[19:48:46] <AnEvilYak> tic: what car?
[19:49:53] <tic> AnEvilYak, I crossed the street w/ my bike, I had a green light. 12 in the day, so it wasn't dark. The car did a left turn (facing me), and didn't see me for some reason, and I was ~2 meters from getting hit.  The streets were covered with ice, so I fell and hurt my left wrist.
[19:50:04] <AnEvilYak> tic: ouch :(
[19:50:17] <tic> good thing I'm on dvorak so I can still do -some- typing.  qwerty hurts a lot more.
[19:50:19] <AnEvilYak> tic: I've had someone hit me like that when I was on my skates before.
[19:50:21] <tic> yeah, ouch.
[19:50:27] <tic> yeah?  actually hit?
[19:50:32] <AnEvilYak> yeah
[19:50:36] <lechu_mys> o shit :| big ouch :|
[19:50:39] <AnEvilYak> rolled over their hood and stuff
[19:50:44] <AnEvilYak> didn't stop either
[19:50:47] <tic> oh crap.  that sure must've hurt?
[19:50:50] <tic> uhh.
[19:51:00] <AnEvilYak> tic: well, I was wearing lots of guards...
[19:51:07] <AnEvilYak> tic: so I pretty much got away with a bunch of bruises and some skinned elbows
[19:51:08] <tic> AnEvilYak, good thing.
[19:51:11] <tic> mhm.
[19:51:12] <tic> phew.
[19:51:17] <tic> could've gone bad.
[19:51:20] <AnEvilYak> that was a few years ago, was still in school then
[19:51:21] <AnEvilYak> tell me about it
[19:52:08] <tic> bet you were pretty shakey after that, huh?
[19:52:25] <AnEvilYak> was too tired to care at that point
[19:52:37] <AnEvilYak> was one of those weeks where I'd slept like 4 hours 'cause of all the homework and such
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[19:53:09] <tic> :/
[19:53:19] <lechu_mys> uh ... i think i must leave you ;]
[19:53:21] <tic> okay, but you're here and well. that's good.
[19:53:33] <AnEvilYak> I guess
[19:53:41] <AnEvilYak> see ya lechu
[19:53:46] <lechu_mys> see ya all ;]
[19:53:47] <tic> and right. I need to engage actively in passitivity :)
[19:53:52] <AnEvilYak> ;p
[19:53:55] <lechu_mys> tic - trzym sie tam po wypadku - check it ? :>
[19:53:59] <AnEvilYak> tic: that sounds self contradictory
[19:54:16] <tic> AnEvilYak, not really.  I need to stop myself from sitting by the computer and type.
[19:54:28] <tic> lechu_mys, trzym co?
[19:54:34] <lechu_mys> uh
[19:54:39] <tic> nie rozumiem :)
[19:54:42] 
[19:54:50] <tic> aha. dzieki!
[19:54:51] <tic> nara
[19:54:52] 
[19:54:56] <lechu_mys> no a nara to rozumiesz :)
[19:55:01] <lechu_mys> bye bye ;]
[19:55:07] <tic> see y'all.
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[19:58:21] <fyysik> tic ?
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[20:40:49] <TuneTracker> Does anyone here know Michael Michalski?
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[20:41:59] <andrew_working> no
[20:42:02] <andrew_working> I don't think so
[20:42:32] <DaaT> hey TuneTracker
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[20:45:15] <TuneTracker> DaaT!
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[20:48:22] <mes_> guys: who knows the haiku boot process ?
[20:48:51] <ShackaN> there was a paper about that on the site, IIRC
[20:49:20] <mes_> i see this paper right now =) anway i have couple questions
[20:52:20] <mes_> is the stage2.c boot loader (derived from newos) in arch/x86 is used to bootstrap (beos) loader.c ?
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[21:26:50] <tqh> I'm back!
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[21:40:52] <andrew_working> alert the press
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[22:35:13] <TuneTracker> BGA
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[22:50:50] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi
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[22:51:11] <ahwayakchih> fyysik any progress with compiled/mozilla thing? :)
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[22:51:57] <ahwayakchih> fyysik BTW have You contacted Oliver Tappe? he may be able to help You better than me :)
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[22:57:02] <fyysik> yes, i sent him that binary, ahwayakchih
[22:57:24] <ahwayakchih> fyysik ah, ok :)
[22:57:58] <ahwayakchih> fyysik please let me know if/when You know what was the problem
[22:58:11] <fyysik> ok
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[22:58:44] <ahwayakchih> THX
[22:59:00] <fyysik> but at least i know that i cannot provide community with netserver builds myself.
[23:00:39] <fyysik> Korli - back from vacations?
[23:00:45] <ahwayakchih> ih>	i wonder if the same problem would show in firefox
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[23:01:38] <fyysik> ahwayakchih -  there is big chance
[23:01:53] <fyysik> as only
[23:02:00] <ahwayakchih> yeah, they share large parts of code base
[23:02:07] <fyysik> as only 5 or less C++ code is different in both
[23:02:14] <fyysik> 5%
[23:02:19] <ahwayakchih> ahwayakchih>	ah
[23:02:33] <@Korli> hi fyysik
[23:02:34] <fyysik> maybe even 1-2
[23:02:48] <@Korli> yeah holidays ending :(
[23:04:38] <fyysik> Korli - as usual, asking about emuxki problems. What do you think if mem allocation code may bring those crashes? For interesting note, if i have both 1102 gamedriver and emuxki installed (haiku multiaudio used) - no crash
[23:05:24] <ahwayakchih> ok good night everyone
[23:05:32] <ahwayakchih> cya fyysik
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[23:05:40] <fyysik> but in this case is very problematic to get sound from emuxki. I can switch to it, it allows only "0/1" output channel, but don't play anything
[23:07:01] <fyysik> if i use 5.04 multiaudio instead, i can get sound from emuxki, but in unfeatured manner - becasue 5.04 multiaudio works only with strage channel pairs - 1/2,   3/4,  5/6
[23:08:12] <@Korli> fyysik all this might mean emuxki driver doesn't get interrupts any more when gamedriver is installed
[23:09:55] <fyysik> or cannot alloc mapped memory? as it is busy already?
[23:11:09] <@Korli> it shouldn't have problems with mapping memory for both drivers
[23:11:10] <fyysik> unfortunately i cannot get emxuki.log in case of crashes, log file is 0-sized. Wondering if there is some sense to uncomment all PRINT statements and try to get log if both drivers are installed? So no crash
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[23:12:26] <@Korli> if crash happens in interrupt handler, it could explain why it doesn't crash when gamedriver is installed (because emuxki doesn't get interrupts)
[23:12:36] <fyysik> in rare cases when it don' crash (1 of 50 i think), log looks nice - model reported, IRQ, codec etc etc
[23:13:22] <@Korli> maybe try to comment code in interrupt handler and trace
[23:13:36] <fyysik> hm, so i will try probably to experiment with interrupt handler code, but there are questions -
[23:14:45] <@Korli> i>	i meant add a simple trace, while commenting handler's code
[23:15:53] <fyysik> is there any importance in such things as: 1)we switch off all registers in card which can generate interrupt before installing handler? 2)is there any sense in code to disable interrupts in this process? 3)marcus' driver releses semaphore in the end if end if interrupt installation code, emuxki don't - is there any importance here?
[23:16:26] <fyysik> "in the end if interrupt installation code"
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[23:17:14] <fyysik> digging out
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[23:18:06] <fyysik> heh, new IBM Thinkpad hasn't serial port, inspite it is listed in BIOS as "Debug port"
[23:18:07] <@Korli> an 04 22:18:07 <@Korli>	an issue could happen if registers aren't still "readable", while another device generates the same interrupt
[23:18:47] <fyysik> "while another device generates the same interrupt" - this is only case if my motherboard/BIOS is buggy
[23:18:51] <@Korli> fyysik i'm having this lack of serial port here, unable to do real debug
[23:19:15] <fyysik> ik>	i tried to disable devices sharing same slot in BIOS, it didn't help
[23:19:39] <@Korli> interrupts number can be common to devices
[23:19:49] <fyysik> so BeOS preferences show that emuxki is single device using this interrupt
[23:19:59] <@Korli> ok
[23:20:02] <fyysik> but it didn't help
[23:20:53] <@Korli> anyway an interrupt can be generated whereas init is being done
[23:20:59] <fyysik> strange symptom is that KDL may happen in very various threads and moments. E.g. in media add-on server when trying to sort device list in devfs
[23:21:01] <@Korli> this is bad for us
[23:21:03] <fyysik> or in Tracker
[23:21:08] <fyysik> or in DHCP process
[23:21:29] <fyysik> so this is some "postponed" trap
[23:21:38] <@Korli> this is because interrupts happen in any thread timeslice
[23:22:10] <dos4> correct
[23:22:17] <@Korli> orli>	or because VM detected a weird memory access
[23:22:23] <dos4> unlikely
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[23:22:36] <fyysik> sorry, if i'm looking to agressive or too persistent, but i really wish to get rid of this problem
[23:22:48] <fyysik> using my own efforts too
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[23:23:07] <Dr_Evil> what does a stack crawl look like?
[23:23:16] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - very various
[23:23:28] <Dr_Evil> you should try to compile the driver with -O0 -g
[23:23:29] <@Korli> Dr_Evil yeah this is unlikely given that it sometimes works
[23:23:40] <fyysik> depends on mement where this mining explodes
[23:23:57] <fyysik> -Oo -g?
[23:24:05] <Dr_Evil> ohh zero
[23:24:30] <fyysik> btw, the question. I'm using BeIDE project, as Jam seems requiring whole tree
[23:24:31] <Dr_Evil> -O0
[23:24:43] <fyysik> but i didn't notice any compile flags in included Jamfile
[23:25:00] <fyysik> so i set optimization in BeIDE to NONE
[23:25:09] <fyysik> didn't help
[23:25:21] <@Korli> fyysik flags are managed by jam rules
[23:25:46] <fyysik> Korli - if you used some special set of flags, can you provide me with those?
[23:26:01] <Dr_Evil> please compile with -O0 -g and show us the complete KDL text and a the output of "sc"
[23:26:28] <@Korli> fyysik Dr_Evil means no optimisation and debug enabled
[23:26:44] <fyysik> yeah, i set optimize to none, as i said
[23:27:18] <fyysik> and "generate debugging information"  checkbox is alredy set
[23:27:26] <@Korli> ok
[23:28:15] <Dr_Evil> then please: complete KDL and a the output of "sc" as well as "dis eip"
[23:28:32] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - when i  have sucess in getting KDL in driver code itself, it usually last line is something like read_io_16, write_io_16, sometimes io_32
[23:29:06] <Dr_Evil> please: complete KDL and a the output of "sc" as well as "dis eip"
[23:29:22] <@Korli> fyysik this is what i mean by unable to read registers
[23:29:40] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - in any case? even if it happens outside driver code?
[23:30:31] <@Korli> fyysik he's right
[23:31:16] <fyysik> ? i just asked, if evry sc will help
[23:31:41] <fyysik> reboot
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[23:33:51] <Dr_Evil> "regs" might be useful, too
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[23:34:32] <Dr_Evil> "regs" might be useful, too
[23:34:41] <fyysik> now from laptop
[23:34:49] <fyysik> catsup
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[23:35:38] <fyysik> ok KDL is before my eyes
[23:36:04] <Dr_Evil> paste it here
[23:36:12] <fyysik> area - 00436768 kernel_intel_text
[23:36:14] <@Korli> you mean 'in front' ?
[23:36:32] <slaad> "before" works, Korli
[23:36:37] <fyysik> addr 00100000 size 000860000
[23:36:49] <fyysik> no, aside
[23:36:59] <fyysik> right hand
[23:37:06] <@Korli> slaad i didn't know this mean of before ...
[23:37:09] <fyysik> thread sh
[23:37:18] <fyysik> team - Bootscript pt
[23:37:23] <Dr_Evil> can't you just copy the whole chunk of output to a textfile?
[23:37:31] <fyysik> Stack trace follows:
[23:37:35] <fyysik> how?????
[23:37:41] <fyysik> KDL
[23:37:53] <fyysik> give me receipe for crashed system
[23:37:57] <fyysik> and i will copy it
[23:38:28] <fyysik> for Thomas Kurshel i did it with photocamera
[23:38:32] <Dr_Evil> please join /#cppdev
[23:38:57] <Dr_Evil> Korli please
[23:39:26] <@Korli> i'm going to bed sorry
[23:40:57] <Procton> fyysik: You don't have serial output to copy from?
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[23:46:30] <fyysik> Procton - hmm, where to? you need some computer which can work as serial input
[23:46:57] <fyysik> no such thing here as i said, that damn Thinkpad lacks serial port
[23:47:40] <@Korli> fyysik a webcam shot could help
[23:47:43] <@Korli> bye
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