[00:00:00] <[Beta]> evenin'
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[00:19:17] <fyysik> people, do you think C copies scructures by "="  operator???
[00:19:28] <@dr_evil> yes
[00:19:37] <fyysik> hmmm
[00:20:05] <fyysik> in classic C it does it only if structure is function parameter or return value
[00:20:14] <[Beta]> whats a ref, if it isnt a folder or a document ? silly q sorry
[00:20:24] <fyysik> cards[num_cards].info = info;
[00:20:32] <quittt> fyysik is there Rayman for BeOS?
[00:20:46] <fyysik> ignore quitt
[00:21:15] <fyysik> so C was changes since K&R times when i learned it
[00:21:30] <quittt> fyysik why ignore me??
[00:21:35] <AnEvilYak> didn't think it copied either.
[00:21:43] <AnEvilYak> but I dunno, C99 might have changed that.
[00:22:13] <fyysik> AnEvilYak - this is gcc 2.953 and i think this code looks bit suspicios for me
[00:22:26] <fyysik> and actually it was coded for 2.9
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[00:22:45] <quittt> why ignore me fyysik
[00:23:07] <fyysik> people, can anyone kick or ban that moron?
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[00:23:44] <fyysik> one of most annoying morons at beshare, and now here
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[00:24:17] <@dr_evil> that was quittete or how he was called last time we banned him, I think
[00:24:38] <fyysik> yeah, same person
[00:24:48] <[Beta]> an application.
[00:25:01] <@dr_evil> fyysik I'm not 100% sure if it works in plain C
[00:25:09] <AnEvilYak> I didn't think it did
[00:25:16] <AnEvilYak> but I'd have expected a compiler error
[00:25:23] <AnEvilYak> used to always be you had to memcpy structs
[00:25:42] <slaad> The times, they are a-changin'
[00:25:46] <fyysik> dr_evil - i'm still hunting for reason of KLD crash of emuxki driver at init, and found that statement in init function
[00:25:50] <@dr_evil> well it should be simple to write a test program
[00:26:15] <@dr_evil> or put something like
[00:26:33] <@dr_evil> if (a.foo != b.foo) panic("soemthing evil");
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[00:28:16] <fyysik> damn, now quitt pokes me in private
[00:28:56] <[Beta]> /nick fyysik`
[00:29:03] <[Beta]> or just ignore
[00:29:43] <fyysik> reboot
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[00:29:51] <AnEvilYak> fyysik: /silence +*!* at 200-170-123-107 dot user.ajato.com.br should do it I believe.
[00:30:03] <AnEvilYak> oops, too late.
[00:30:33] <slaad> You should really implement /ignore already, Mr Yak :P
[00:33:36] <@dr_evil> yes that would be a useful feature
[00:33:51] <@dr_evil> as well as kick & ban popup menus like mirc
[00:34:12] <slaad> Although, to be honest I don't have much use for it ignoring.
[00:35:07] <@dr_evil> although that is rarely needed
[00:35:12] <@dr_evil> corrent
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[00:37:58] <fyysik> dr_evil - are all such functions integer?  like load_driver_symbols() - no headers with this kernel function, and no decalration in coe
[00:38:10] <fyysik> in code
[00:39:00] <CIA-6> shatty * buildtools/gcc/libio/iostream.h: fixed scientific(ios& i) - thanks to John [Beta] Drinkwater
[00:39:42] <[Beta]> only 9 emails til i'm done reading the cvs log :)
[00:39:58] <@AndrewBachmann> 10 now
[00:39:59] <@AndrewBachmann> :-P
[00:40:06] <[Beta]> :o
[00:40:18] <[Beta]> I guess I dont have to read that one ;)
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[00:41:01] <[Beta]> if I had a working box for compiling, i'd help with some live problems, rather than just code-reading
[00:42:16] <@AndrewBachmann> if you hadn't found that bug it probably would have lived on for a long long time
[00:42:50] <@dr_evil> Listening audio books and reading webpages about PCI latency optimization at the same time jsut doesn't work
[00:42:59] <[Beta]> thats what worried me Andrew :/
[00:43:12] <@dr_evil> [00:46] <quittt> fuck you asshole
[00:43:13] <[Beta]> i've only read the most recent 900 mails.
[00:43:31] <@AndrewBachmann> and when someone came across that bug they'd probably have a lot more trouble tracking it down
[00:43:40] <@AndrewBachmann> because I put in a broken implementation instead of no implementation at all
[00:46:05] <[Beta]> was the mail ok, though ?
[00:46:06] <AndrewBachmann> code reading is very useful [Beta]
[00:46:09] <fyysik> is get_module() and put_module() described in BeBook?
[00:46:21] <@AndrewBachmann> the mail was fine
[00:46:37] <@AndrewBachmann> can you use cvs to browse the repository
[00:46:48] <[Beta]> I dont really want to mail the list, since it's just excess mailage
[00:47:15] <slaad> I seem to recall it is, fyysik.
[00:47:23] <[Beta]> yeah, I normally doubly check the revision in cvs to make sure another commit (that I havent seen) hasnt fixed it already
[00:47:50] <@AndrewBachmann> well, after you finish reading the cvs log you could browse the repository directly too
[00:47:55] <[Beta]> glad I did - I nearly sent you another about TextView; but I'd read the mails in the wrong order;
[00:48:11] <@AndrewBachmann> perhaps send out a solicitation for people who would like you to read their code and give feedback
[00:48:14] <[Beta]> well, I might.. but its alot of work. Where's the best place to start ?
[00:49:46] <@AndrewBachmann> either ask people in general on the list, or just look at the area most near to your expertise or interest
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[00:55:12] <[Beta]> tbh, I cant wait for some form of bug reporting on the main site (when that is back too)
[00:55:21] <@Sikosis> http://haiku-os.tk/
[00:55:33] <[Beta]> I sent JBurton a list of problems with an app t'other month
[00:55:42] <@Sikosis> temporary site ...
[00:56:03] <[Beta]> it is a full copy of the non-temp ?
[00:56:14] <@Sikosis> has the factory and stats (currently being updated) ... just waiting on the backup of the old site to come to me ...
[00:57:42] <[Beta]> 'k :)
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[01:02:32] <@Sikosis> hey slaad ... back for some more love poetry i see ;)  ?
[01:03:10] <slaad> Love poetry?
[01:03:24] <@Sikosis> haiku
[01:03:35] <AnEvilYak> umm...
[01:03:39] <AnEvilYak> what do haikus have to do with love?
[01:04:01] <@Sikosis> some guy the other day came into this channel looking for love poetry
[01:04:13] <Methe> hola peeps
[01:04:24] <@Sikosis> he thought haiku was ... a haiku channel
[01:04:31] <Methe> hey Sikosis are u planning to keep maintainance of Statcvs ?
[01:05:20] <@Sikosis> ikosis>	i was hoping to have that working daily on the server in the states ... at the moment, ill run it every couple of days and upload the results
[01:05:32] <Methe> ok
[01:05:35] <Methe> gr8
[01:05:38] <Methe> =]
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[01:14:24] <@AndrewBachmann> anybody know whether we have a driver for "Intel 855GME Chipset Integrated Graphics"
[01:15:15] * Methe does not
[01:15:20] <@dr_evil> we do not
[01:15:27] <@dr_evil> but I have the specification
[01:15:41] <@AndrewBachmann> so if I get a laptop with that I can't use it except in vesa?
[01:15:50] <@AndrewBachmann> yuck
[01:16:22] <@dr_evil> some *month* ago I was told (by Bernd from YT) that someone external was developing a driver
[01:16:32] <@dr_evil> I think this wasn't finshed
[01:16:48] <@AndrewBachmann> about this time last year bernd told me that I would get a free copy of zeta
[01:17:06] <@AndrewBachmann> maybe he meant the final release :-)
[01:17:51] <@dr_evil> well bernd does give out free copies, but he is very busy and sometimes just forgets what he has promised
[01:18:05] <@dr_evil> if you really want your free copy, tell me
[01:18:14] <fyysik> wondering if device numeration is devfs should start from 1, not 0 "card-cards+1"
[01:18:18] <Methe> true. he knows that. just ask he'll remember without any pb
[01:18:47] <@dr_evil> no, don't ask bernd. but I can give you an email address Andrew if you want
[01:18:58] <fyysik> cards is pointer to array od devices, card - to certain device
[01:19:57] <@AndrewBachmann> hm, you can send me the email address dr_evil
[01:20:35] <@dr_evil> ok
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[01:23:51] <[Beta]> we have a working version of strlcpy, yeah ?
[01:24:52] <@dr_evil> yes
[01:25:07] <@dr_evil> we need a code audit
[01:25:09] <[Beta]> #if defined(_WIN32) || defined(__BEOS___)
[01:25:09] <[Beta]> static void  strlcpy(char *dst,const char *src,unsigned size) {
[01:25:15] <[Beta]> so that would cause a prob, yeah ?
[01:25:38] <@dr_evil> depends on the libraries that it's linked against
[01:25:38] <[Beta]> unless __BEOS__ isnt defined when we build?
[01:25:59] <@dr_evil> sume stuff that needs to be run on R5 must have it's own strlcpy
[01:26:01] <[Beta]> which I thought was def'd, except for the kernel
[01:26:57] * [Beta] agrees bout an audit. alot of work though
[01:27:46] <Methe> gn
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[01:30:11] <dr_evil> [Beta] well, checking for all uses of strcpy, strcat, sscanf, sprintf
[01:30:22] <@dr_evil> and make sure that the save versions are used
[01:30:39] <[Beta]> from the build factory, looks like matroska isnt being built with __BEOS__ - its internal define differs to our new one
[01:30:40] <ShackaN> passo e chiudo
[01:30:43] <@dr_evil> strlcpy, strlcat, strnlen, snprintf, snscanf(?)
[01:31:08] <[Beta]> well - cant we export missing r5 functions into one small include ?
[01:31:11] <@AndrewBachmann> also replace strncpy
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[01:31:42] <@dr_evil> AndrewBachmann correct
[01:31:53] <@dr_evil> I missed that name, strncpy is evil
[01:32:09] <AndrewBachmann> [Beta] we could conditionally define them in an include that gets conditionally included from string.h or whatever
[01:32:17] * [Beta] nods.
[01:32:18] <@AndrewBachmann> based on the build target
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[01:34:36] <@dr_evil> that linux code is ugly:
[01:34:37] <@dr_evil> size = (size & ~(size-1)) - 1;
[01:35:50] <@dr_evil> but I already have some other code that I know is working correct
[01:38:58] <@dr_evil> night
[01:39:04] <@AndrewBachmann> night
[01:39:05] <[Beta]> nn
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[02:28:09] <[Beta]> night.
[03:07:51] <slaad> Does anyone have a build of libpcre for R5? (Suitable for building an R5 binary under Zeta)
[03:08:57] <slaad> (pcre being the Perl Compatible Regular Expressions library)
[03:10:13] * AndrewBachmann wonders intel extreme graphics + beos = :-) or :-( ?
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[03:13:51] <@AndrewBachmann> yo voidref
[03:13:58] <@voidref> yo
[03:14:00] <@voidref> how are things?
[03:14:13] <@AndrewBachmann> which vaio did you get
[03:14:19] <@voidref> a270
[03:14:23] <@AndrewBachmann> what graphics
[03:14:30] <@voidref> radeon 9700 M
[03:14:35] <@AndrewBachmann> oic
[03:14:45] <@AndrewBachmann> then you don't know if the intel extreme works or not
[03:14:45] <@voidref> why?
[03:14:58] <@voidref> what is the chipset number?
[03:15:11] <@voidref> one of the machines I pointed you to for 1300 has the radeon 9200
[03:15:19] <@AndrewBachmann> 865G
[03:15:35] <@AndrewBachmann> or 855GME
[03:15:47] <@voidref> well, it looks like we ahve a driver for the i855
[03:16:01] <slaad> voidie!
[03:16:10] <slaad> Any chance you have a build of libpcre for R5?
[03:16:19] <@voidref> static uint16 intel_device_list[] = {
[03:16:19] <@voidref> 0x3582, /* i855/852 */
[03:16:20] <@voidref> 0x3577,	/* i830M */
[03:16:21] <@voidref> 0x2562,	/* i845G */
[03:16:21] <@voidref> 0x2572,	/* i865G */
[03:16:22] <@voidref> 0 02:16:22 <@voidref>	 	0
[03:16:23] <@voidref> };
[03:16:30] <@AndrewBachmann> that looks promising
[03:16:43] <@voidref> although U can't make any promises about the quality of the driver.
[03:16:48] <@voidref> err, i
[03:16:50] <@voidref> not U
[03:16:55] <slaad> Always shifting the blame. ;)
[03:17:06] <@AndrewBachmann> well, if it has 2d acceleration for scrolling and window moves, I'll be fairly happy
[03:17:15] <@AndrewBachmann> it is has overlay then I'll be probably completely satisfied
[03:19:34] <@voidref> I would stay safe and get a machine with the radeon graphics.
[03:19:43] <@voidref> what machine are you contemplating?
[03:20:56] <@voidref> slaad, I don't do r5
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[03:23:01] <Andrew_Bachmann> hrm
[03:23:08] <slaad> Piffle, to you I say.
[03:23:19] <slaad> It's okay though, there's a build on BeBits. Stupid libpcre not finding it.
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[03:23:25] <Andrew_Bachmann> voidref here is what I was considering
[03:23:57] <Andrew_Bachmann> Gateway 3520GZ, HP Pavilion dv1040US, Sony VAIO VGN-S260, Sony VAIO VGN-T150/L, Sony VIAO VGN-T140P/L
[03:24:15] <Andrew_Bachmann> I just started looking at Dells as well, Dell Inspiron 700m or 600m
[03:24:39] <@voidref> idref>	i had a dell
[03:24:42] <@voidref> worst machine ever
[03:24:50] <@voidref> idref>	i would never buy another one
[03:25:09] <Andrew_Bachmann> so far the leading machine seems to be the gateway
[03:25:11] <@voidref> the Compal gereric machine was a lot better.
[03:25:22] <@voidref> my wife has an HP
[03:25:25] <@voidref> it's pretty nice.
[03:25:32] <@voidref> I almost bought one as well.
[03:25:41] <@voidref> but i fell in love with the sony
[03:26:08] <Andrew_Bachmann> I guess I'll burn a bootable beos and walk over to the machines
[03:26:22] <Andrew_Bachmann> all the Sony's are $$$
[03:26:30] <Andrew_Bachmann> but light
[03:26:37] <@voidref> you said you could afford 2000
[03:26:48] <@voidref> I showed you a nice one under 1500!
[03:26:58] <Andrew_Bachmann> doesn't meet my requirements
[03:27:08] <@voidref> what are you requirements?
[03:27:25] <@voidref> it had sxga+ radeon 9200 5 lbs
[03:27:53] <@voidref> 1.6 ghz PM
[03:27:55] <Andrew_Bachmann> 3-6 lbs, 1.6+ Intel M, 512 MB+, 60 MB+, better than 1024x768, less than 15"
[03:28:10] <Andrew_Bachmann> runs beos
[03:28:11] <Andrew_Bachmann> :-)
[03:28:24] <Andrew_Bachmann> video necessary, sound desirable
[03:28:56] <Andrew_Bachmann> prefer DVD burner, accept CD burner
[03:29:49] <Andrew_Bachmann> must have a touchpad too, although I prefer both touchpad and point
[03:30:40] <@voidref> the only things that have tp and point are dell and IBM
[03:30:42] <Andrew_Bachmann> btw, the gateway I am looking at meets all of those and it costs $1100
[03:30:46] <@voidref> and I don't think dell does tp any more
[03:30:51] <Andrew_Bachmann> oic
[03:30:54] <@voidref> err, point
[03:31:04] <@voidref> hmm, gateway?
[03:31:12] <Andrew_Bachmann> yeah
[03:31:14] <@voidref> you should read some about reliability, I think
[03:31:26] <@voidref> I have not had any expierience with those.
[03:32:39] <Andrew_Bachmann> hmann>	hm
[03:32:54] <Andrew_Bachmann> "Companies making the most reliable notebook computers and supporting them the best, according to PC World readers, were Dell, Gateway, IBM, and Toshiba."
[03:33:13] <Andrew_Bachmann> Dec 30 02:33:13 <Andrew_Bachmann>	Dec 29, 2004 article on information today
[03:34:07] <Andrew_Bachmann> http://www.infotoday.com/linkup/lud100104-goldsborough.shtml
[03:34:14] <Andrew_Bachmann> interesting article, summary of different sources
[03:34:36] <@voidref> Dell? Man, mine needed a new mobo days after the warranty went up
[03:34:47] <@voidref> and before that, the screen was showing artifacts areound the edges.
[03:34:51] <Andrew_Bachmann> yeah, I'm not hot on dell, at least not the desktops
[03:34:55] <Andrew_Bachmann> insides are all plastic
[03:35:03] <@voidref> this was notebook
[03:35:06] <@voidref> inspiron 8100
[03:35:15] <Andrew_Bachmann> the inspiron 4100 I have here feels like junk
[03:35:25] <Andrew_Bachmann> I hear that the non-inspiron line is better
[03:35:32] <Andrew_Bachmann> latitude
[03:36:25] <@voidref> if you want bullette proof, get IBM, I have heard from a number of sources.
[03:36:34] <@voidref> but they are even more than the Sonys
[03:37:22] <@voidref> it depends on how long you plan on keeping the computer
[03:38:02] <@voidref> my sister is still using my sony x505 I bought in 98
[03:38:12] <@voidref> and used as my main dev machine the whole time I was at Be.
[03:38:42] <@voidref> sure, it needs a new battery, but there aren't any batteries that will last that long. =)
[03:40:07] <@voidref> one problem I see with the Sony is that replacing parts, even the HDD is a pain.
[03:40:32] <@voidref> even on this larger one, you have to take the whole thing apart.
[03:40:39] <@voidref> the only easy thing to replace is the memory and battery
[03:40:53] <@voidref> and then, if you want to replace ALL the memory, you still have to take the keyboard off.
[03:41:43] <Andrew_Bachmann> holy cow
[03:41:57] <Andrew_Bachmann> if you want to get microsoft office on this ibm laptop, it costs $1000!
[03:42:31] <Andrew_Bachmann> somebody must have typo'd that one
[03:42:36] <@voidref> haha, don't do it!
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[03:47:08] <@voidref> I suppose since you are happy with 1024x768, you have a lot more choices.
[03:47:16] <@voidref> oh, better than
[03:48:00] <Andrew_Bachmann> wow, I really can not find any IBM laptop that will make me happy for < $2000
[03:48:26] <@voidref> yea, IBM = $$$$$
[03:48:32] <@voidref> Sony = $$$
[03:48:35] <@voidref> Dell = $
[03:48:49] <@voidref> HP = $$
[03:48:50] <Andrew_Bachmann> well, dell is still $$ from where I stand
[03:48:52] <mumu25> i would prefer dell over sony
[03:49:09] <mumu25> dell has great service
[03:49:15] <Andrew_Bachmann> they need it :-P
[03:49:24] <RageMax> so what happened to the website?
[03:49:42] <mumu25> Andrew_Bachmann: only if you use laptop as much as i do
[03:49:43] <@voidref> oh, and the dell i had had some serious problem with teh drive soon after i got it as well
[03:49:45] <RageMax> it's been done for quite a while now
[03:49:51] <RageMax> s/done/down
[03:49:53] <@voidref> and I woul dhave had to send the machine back to them to get it repaired
[03:49:55] <slaad> I've found Toshiba are nicely built, also.
[03:49:55] <@voidref> so I just left it.
[03:50:01] <Andrew_Bachmann> the DVD drive in this laptop I have from dell is junk
[03:50:02] <slaad> But I've not had any experience with current generations.
[03:50:08] <@voidref> Toshiba are about the same price as Sony
[03:50:13] <@voidref> but I have heard they are nice
[03:50:23] <slaad> When I bought mine they were a fair bit cheaper.
[03:50:27] <@voidref> but sony's styling is nicer.
[03:50:31] <slaad> Oh, hells yeah :)
[03:50:39] <mumu25> you really need "vor-ort-service" (in-place-service)
[03:50:42] <slaad> But here you were paying about $500 - $1000au for the style.
[03:51:01] <slaad> And frankly, I'm already at maximum style points. So it'd just be a waste of money ;)
[03:51:07] <@voidref> haha
[03:51:25] <@voidref> well, it's been the most reliable machine i had was the sony
[03:51:34] <@voidref> mebbe I got lucky
[03:51:35] <mumu25> but dell repaird my laptop even when the display broke apart from the rest
[03:51:43] <mumu25> and i didn't have to pay a cent
[03:52:00] <@voidref> idref>	i would prefer a machine that does not break in the first place
[03:52:15] <Andrew_Bachmann> voidref: ditto
[03:52:23] <mumu25> voidref: i used it quite much, went biking with it and so on
[03:52:33] <mumu25> when i smashed the hard disk out of anger
[03:52:35] <@voidref> and the dell felt clunky, it was all loose and wobbly
[03:52:49] <mumu25> (hit the keyboard with my fist several times)
[03:52:54] <@voidref> anway, mumu25, feel free to buy yourself more dells
[03:52:59] <mumu25> they replaced it for free
[03:53:05] <@voidref> you aren't going to convince any of us
[03:53:08] <mumu25> voidref: i want to get an ibm next :)
[03:53:14] <@voidref> haha
[03:53:23] <mumu25> they have a nicer design
[03:53:26] <@voidref> sounds like you need a ToughBook
[03:53:30] <mumu25> at least i think so
[04:02:22] <Andrew_Bachmann> the sony vaio vgn-s260 is probably the only sony I would consider
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[04:08:57] <Andrew_Bachmann> ug extended battery is $300 ?
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[08:59:40] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/BTextView/TextView.cpp: Fixed the other bug reported by Axel: the blinking caret spuriously drawn at a wrong position.
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[09:01:17] <JBurton> hi
[09:02:36] <JBurton> hi Andrew_Bachmann
[09:02:41] <JBurton> long time no see
[09:34:00] <JBurton> hmmm dead channel
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[09:38:49] <@mahlzeit> good morning haiku!
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[09:48:25] <JBurton> hi mahlzeit
[09:48:36] <JBurton> what happened ? you won the lottery ?
[09:48:41] <@mahlzeit> not yet
[09:48:46] <@mahlzeit> on 1 jan i will :-)
[09:48:55] <JBurton> oh, really ?
[09:48:58] <JBurton> well, good for you
[09:48:59] <JBurton> :)
[09:49:15] <@mahlzeit> it>	i have the winning ticket! :-)
[09:50:07] <JBurton> great :P
[09:55:35] <JBurton> well, remember the people who were always good to you, mahlzeit, when you're rich
[09:55:38] <JBurton> ^_________________^
[09:55:57] <@mahlzeit> can't think of anyone :-)
[09:56:24] <JBurton> eheh
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[10:21:50] <@mahlzeit> re
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[10:30:41] <JBurton> hey mmu_man, Konrad
[10:30:48] <Konrad> Hey JBurton
[10:43:03] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/OptionPopUp.cpp: Small cleanup, added a TODO comment.
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[10:55:04] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/ (SeparatorItem.cpp MenuItem.cpp interface.src): Moved BSeparatorItem`s implementation to its own file. Will split headers later.
[11:02:53] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/MenuItem.cpp: Style changes, some checks for NULL values
[11:11:52] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/headers/os/interface/ (SeparatorItem.h MenuItem.h): Moved BSeparatorItem's interface to its own file. Everything still builds, amazing :P
[11:12:12] <Andrew_Bachmann> sure it builds, but is SeparatorItem still in the lib? :-)
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[11:12:20] <JBurton> eheh
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[11:12:29] <JBurton> I hope so :P
[11:12:59] <JBurton> AndrewBachmann hah, I caught you, you werent' sleeping
[11:13:03] <JBurton> ^_^
[11:13:12] <@AndrewBachmann> sleep typing?
[11:13:16] <JBurton> :=)
[11:13:28] <JBurton> can you review the change ? I think I didn't screw anything
[11:13:39] <@AndrewBachmann> not tonight
[11:13:41] <JBurton> and anyway... who needs SeparatorItem ? :P
[11:13:53] <JBurton> ok, I'm sure someone will bug me if I broke something
[11:14:06] <AndrewBachmann> yeah, [Beta]
[11:14:09] <@AndrewBachmann> ;-)
[11:14:12] <JBurton> AndrewBachmann heh, right
[11:14:25] <JBurton> who's that guy, btw ?
[11:14:48] <JBurton> I'm glad that someone external started to review the code :P
[11:14:48] * AndrewBachmann shrugs
[11:15:53] <JBurton> AndrewBachmann are you still using our BTextView ?
[11:16:09] <@AndrewBachmann> yes, it seems to be working pretty well lately
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[11:16:24] <JBurton> good
[11:16:24] <@AndrewBachmann> although I haven't been pushing it :-)
[11:16:27] <JBurton> AndrewBachmann heh
[11:16:41] <JBurton> AndrewBachmann well, I fixed two bugs which showed up in DiskProbe only
[11:16:47] <JBurton> if you hadn't noticed
[11:18:12] <JBurton> AndrewBachmann ever tried to re-enable widthbuffer?
[11:18:22] <JBurton> I'm curious to see if it still crashes
[11:18:38] <@AndrewBachmann> nope haven't tried
[11:21:21] <JBurton> ok, np
[11:21:34] <JBurton> I guess I'll re-enable it secretly, so you'll complain next time you sync
[11:21:36] <JBurton> :P
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[12:03:50] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/ (Menu.cpp MenuBar.cpp): Fixed BMenuBar drawing. Managed to have BMenu working (partially) with BMenuBar.
[12:04:06] <JBurton> bah I've had enough for today
[12:04:31] <@mahlzeit> i've had enough for the year!
[12:04:57] <JBurton> heh
[12:05:03] <JBurton> well, there's still tomorrow
[12:05:36] <JBurton> because I, as the moron I am, managed to be at work tomorrow too
[12:05:44] <@mahlzeit> tsk
[12:05:59] <JBurton> I guess I should make some child as soon as possible
[12:06:04] <JBurton> at least I'd have a good excuse
[12:06:20] <@mahlzeit> can't you just borrow one?
[12:06:27] <JBurton> hmmm don't knwo
[12:06:28] <JBurton> know
[12:06:43] <@mahlzeit> pay some homeless kid some money to act like your son
[12:06:48] <JBurton> eheh
[12:07:35] <JBurton> hmmmm Tycom's still down
[12:09:07] <@AndrewBachmann> tycom not down
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[12:09:34] <JBurton> can't connect
[12:09:43] <@AndrewBachmann> banned? :-)
[12:09:46] <JBurton> lol
[12:09:50] <JBurton> well, I'm not the only one :P
[12:10:00] <JBurton> everyone's been banned ? :P
[12:10:23] <@AndrewBachmann> not I
[12:10:35] <@AndrewBachmann> I just pinged atrus
[12:11:21] <@mahlzeit> it>	i can't connect either
[12:11:38] <@mahlzeit> although it pings just fine
[12:11:52] <@AndrewBachmann> maybe it's full
[12:11:52] <@AndrewBachmann> lol
[12:11:53] <JBurton> hmmm I think it already happened sometime
[12:11:54] <JBurton> yeah
[12:12:02] <@AndrewBachmann> only user #879
[12:12:05] <JBurton> people who are already connected don't have any problem
[12:12:13] <JBurton> but who's trying to connect, can't
[12:12:14] <@AndrewBachmann> er, #922
[12:12:36] <JBurton> guess a reboot is needed:P
[12:13:37] <JBurton> hmmm
[12:13:46] <JBurton> it's fun, I have done so many commits lately...
[12:13:53] <JBurton> and still, I haven't done anything useful
[12:13:54] <JBurton> :P
[12:14:21] <JBurton> but my stats are gone through the roof
[12:14:24] <JBurton> yeeeeeah
[12:14:54] <@mahlzeit> this is just my personal opinion, but checking for null like this: if (whatever) is bad style; i would change it to if (whatever != NULL)
[12:15:04] <JBurton> yeah, I agree, mahlzeit
[12:15:23] <JBurton> though sometimes I forget about it
[12:15:37] <@mahlzeit> it>	i noticed it in your recent check-ins ;-)
[12:15:37] <JBurton> :P
[12:15:38] * AndrewBachmann concurs
[12:15:42] <@AndrewBachmann> before going to sleep...
[12:15:44] <JBurton> mahlzeit eheh
[12:15:44] <@AndrewBachmann> ta ta all
[12:15:53] <@mahlzeit> so that gives you some new changes to make :-)
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[12:16:00] <JBurton> gosh you caught me, mahlzeit
[12:16:06] <JBurton> I did it on purpose
[12:16:08] <JBurton> ^_^
[12:16:14] <@mahlzeit> heh
[12:16:19] <@mahlzeit> you naughty boy!
[12:16:29] <JBurton> no, seriously, I mix the two things sometime
[12:16:50] <JBurton> in fact, I think I have also changed if (bla) to if (bla != NULL) in some commits
[12:18:02] <JBurton> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=6236247&forum_id=7704
[12:18:05] <JBurton> :=)
[12:18:18] <@mahlzeit> well, any good c programmer should know what it means if you leave out the != NULL, but still ;-)
[12:18:41] <JBurton> mahlzeit amazing, I was able to mix the 2 styles in less than 10 lines
[12:18:49] <@mahlzeit> nice
[12:19:50] <JBurton> I guess I'm a bit schizophrenic
[12:20:15] <JBurton> sometimes I put a lot of comments in the code, sometimes, no comments
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[12:20:55] <@mahlzeit> hmm, i don't think the medical definition of schizophrenic includes commenting style :-)
[12:21:10] <JBurton> eheh
[12:21:25] <JBurton> well, what if my code seems written by 2 different people ?
[12:21:42] <@mahlzeit> that's multiple personality disorder, very different ;-)
[12:21:57] <JBurton> oh really ? I thought it was the same
[12:22:08] <@mahlzeit> everyone thinks that, but it's not
[12:22:11] <JBurton> oh
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[12:22:23] <JBurton> hey tqh
[12:22:28] <tqh> hey
[12:22:31] <mumu25> then most coders would have to visit a medical doctor regularly
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[12:22:57] <JBurton> mumu25 :))
[12:22:59] <JBurton> hi fyysik
[12:23:10] <JBurton> whoah, 2 mozilla hackers at the same time, in the same place
[12:23:13] <JBurton> :=)
[12:24:28] <fyysik> really?
[12:24:53] <tqh> omg, I must leave :)
[12:26:22] <fyysik> me too, soon
[12:26:41] * tqh is only here while on lunch
[12:28:16] <JBurton> eheh
[12:31:21] <JBurton> well, time for lunch here too
[12:31:24] <JBurton> see ya later
[12:33:04] <@mmu_man> anyone wants an AFP client ?
[12:34:39] <fyysik> AFP ?Associated France Press?
[12:35:00] <@mmu_man> Apple File Protocol
[12:35:08] <@mmu_man> http://www.bebits.com/app/3184
[12:35:57] <fyysik> well. Still no (good) SAMBA, but AFP is here
[12:36:21] <@mmu_man> well samba is here
[12:36:44] <@mmu_man> I mean here /boot/home/devel/samba-3.0.0/ :)
[12:37:00] <fyysik> ? managed to do it at last with flock server?
[12:37:09] <@mmu_man> just need to hack in some things in libroot in zeta to get it working
[12:37:45] <@mmu_man> I could start it without using it (faking fcntl() to return 0)
[12:37:56] <@mmu_man> but it later wants to suid(nobody)
[12:38:02] <@mmu_man> but doesn't find nobody in the pwents :)
[12:39:33] <tqh> does it support queries? Otherwise I want a webdav-server.
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[12:40:46] <@mmu_man> do'nt think it does
[12:40:52] <@mmu_man> plop voidref
[12:41:00] <@voidref> jey
[12:41:25] <@mmu_man> nice from you asking me to fix things I don't have perms to read :D
[12:42:08] <@mahlzeit> it's easier to be forgiven than to ask permission :-)
[12:43:18] <@mmu_man> chmod -R o+rw . :)
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[12:44:46] <fyysik> mmu_man - did you implement also POSIX print support in Zeta - all those lpq/lpr utilities working with local pronters?
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[12:46:31] <mumu25> fyysik always asks a question and then quits
[12:48:24] <@mmu_man> :)
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[12:51:58] * tqh realize there is still one to many mozilla hackers in here
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[12:54:34] <slaad> Haha
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[12:55:27] <sys2> asd
[12:55:38] <@mmu_man> plop stippi
[12:55:51] <@mmu_man> stippi would you be interested in an AFP client ?
[12:56:36] <stippi> mmu_man: You mean for BeOS?
[12:56:43] <stippi> mmu_man: Of course!
[12:57:00] <@mmu_man> todo++;
[12:57:14] <stippi> mmu_man: put that at the end of your list though...
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[12:57:52] <stippi> mmu_man: The machines in the filmschool are standing side by side. So people can just drop something into the mounted BeOS on the Mac and be done with it.
[12:58:33] <stippi> mmu_man: Is DarkWyrm sometimes here?
[12:58:51] <stippi> mmu_man: I'm trying to reach him but my mail seems to be filtered.
[12:58:55] <slaad> Hrm... an optional part in a RegExp, (blah){0,} ?
[13:02:22] <@mmu_man> not often
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[13:07:04] <fyysik> any kernel or driver hacker here at moment?
[13:07:33] <fyysik> what mean return values for write_io_* functions?
[13:07:51] <fyysik> soory
[13:07:55] <fyysik> for read_iu
[13:07:59] <fyysik> read_io
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[13:10:40] <slaad> ....
[13:11:17] <sys2> haha
[13:11:32] <sys2> damn what goes throught the head of that boy
[13:11:38] <sys2> ask quit, ask quit
[13:11:38] <sys2> ;>
[13:13:08] <@mmu_man> pfff
[13:13:36] * mmu_man queues the answers
[13:13:43] 
[13:13:45] <slaad> Vision needs Trigger support ;)
[13:16:52] <@mmu_man> fyysik: [queued] no; the value read from there, cf ISA.h
[13:26:13] <stippi> Ahm... what was that command line again to set up a notification beep in Vision?
[13:26:29] <stippi> ups
[13:26:33] <stippi> Never mind
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[13:39:37] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi everyone
[13:40:10] <JBurton> hi ahwayakchih
[13:40:15] <JBurton> re, btw
[13:40:18] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi JBurton
[13:40:46] <JBurton> hi stippi, slaad, sys2
[13:41:16] <ahwayakchih> JBurton do You know if there's any way to get info who made change from B_ATTR_CHANGED (or any other sent by watch_node)?
[13:41:28] <JBurton> hmmm don't think so
[13:41:30] <slaad> JBurton.
[13:41:40] <JBurton> and, actually, I don't think I've ever done any attrib development :P
[13:41:50] <ahwayakchih> JBurton heh, ok :)
[13:42:07] <ahwayakchih> but it's not only for attrib, but also for data change, or date or anything else :)
[13:42:23] <JBurton> ah, yes, node monitoring :P
[13:42:29] <ahwayakchih> yep
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[13:43:00] <JBurton> hmmm, nah, don't think you can, unless it's put in the BMessage
[13:43:12] <JBurton> i.e. try to print the message to the stream
[13:43:32] <ahwayakchih> thing is that currently if You want to monitor file (for example to let also other apps modify it, like settings ;) and update it also, You'll get messages also for Your own changes, so You have to also duplicate reading changes :(
[13:44:35] <ahwayakchih> JBurton IIRC there was nothing about who made change :(
[13:44:37] <@mahlzeit> so handle your own changes just like someone else's changes...
[13:44:43] <JBurton> stippi tried the interface kit mailing list ?
[13:45:28] <ahwayakchih> mahlzeit i know, i did that laready, but it adds not really needed reading
[13:46:05] <@mahlzeit> does that reading noticably slow down things?
[13:47:00] <ahwayakchih> mahlzeit hmm probably not too much, but still :)
[13:47:19] <@mahlzeit> B_DONT_WORRY_ABOUT_IT_THEN :-)
[13:47:47] <ahwayakchih> mahlzeit hehe
[13:47:48] <ahwayakchih> :)
[13:48:36] <ahwayakchih> mahlzeit that depends on format of stored things. if it will be xml, or flattened bmessage, reading will be much more time consuming
[13:48:46] <@mahlzeit> eew xml
[13:48:49] <ahwayakchih> ;]
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[13:51:56] <JBurton> mahlzeit nowadays you have to use xml if you want to be 133t
[13:51:59] <JBurton> :)
[13:52:24] <@mahlzeit> 133t = idiots :-)
[13:52:28] <ahwayakchih> JBurton nah, xml is not so 1337
[13:52:44] <ahwayakchih> it just happens that xml can be nice and easy to use
[13:52:54] <JBurton> ahwayakchih heh I know I was joking :P
[13:53:16] <ahwayakchih> JBurton :)
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[14:00:59] <Teknomancer> is  beshare.tycomsystem down ??
[14:01:11] <JBurton> Teknomancer no, but it's not reachable
[14:01:20] <JBurton> I mean, some people are still connected
[14:01:24] <Teknomancer> JBurton why's that ?
[14:01:26] <Teknomancer> am i banned ?
[14:01:27] <Teknomancer> ;-P
[14:01:37] <JBurton> well, if you are, I am too :P
[14:01:43] <Teknomancer> lol
[14:08:16] <Teknomancer> btw .. i have a general beos/prgrm question ...
[14:08:29] <Teknomancer> my app has a .rsrc file where i have "manually" added mime-types it supports..
[14:08:54] <Teknomancer> now when it installed in a new system does it become the DEFAULT app for those types ?
[14:08:56] <JBurton> hmmm what does "slop" mean ?
[14:08:58] <JBurton> hmm
[14:09:01] <JBurton> no idea Teknomancer
[14:09:54] <Teknomancer> JBurton u're supposed to be in haiku ... !!! u're supposed to know everthing!! u're making an OS man!
[14:10:03] <JBurton> ^_^
[14:10:11] <@mahlzeit> you
[14:10:13] <Teknomancer> :^)
[14:10:57] <Teknomancer> mahlzeit and thanks for u're "\r" help the other day :-) proved useful ...
[14:11:04] <@mahlzeit> your
[14:11:08] <@mahlzeit> :-)
[14:11:12] * mahlzeit is grammar bot today
[14:11:51] <JBurton> mahlzeit what's "slop" ?
[14:12:12] <Teknomancer> simple license office protocol
[14:12:18] <@mahlzeit> in what context?
[14:12:31] <Teknomancer> stupid linquistic optimisitic pressure
[14:12:56] <Teknomancer> since lies often plague ?
[14:13:02] <Teknomancer> i could go on ;-P
[14:13:08] <@mahlzeit> don't :-)
[14:13:14] <Teknomancer> ;-P
[14:13:24] <Teknomancer> i'll probably get banned.
[14:13:46] <Teknomancer> one day when i'm older i will become a system admin and ban everyone ... mwwuhahaha
[14:14:00] <@mahlzeit> heh who would want to become a sysadmin :-)
[14:14:21] <JBurton> mahlzeit points
[14:14:25] <Teknomancer> whats wrong with sysadmins ?
[14:14:27] <JBurton> view's coordinates
[14:14:44] <Teknomancer> anyway, back to code .. .
[14:14:49] <JBurton> BMenu::HitTestItems(BPoint where, BPoint slop)
[14:14:53] <JBurton> usually slop is 0, 0
[14:15:06] <@mahlzeit> maybe op = operation
[14:16:51] <@mahlzeit> so i have no idea
[14:17:01] <JBurton> hmmmm
[14:17:06] <JBurton> bah
[14:17:07] <JBurton> :))
[14:17:42] <@mahlzeit> anyway, if it's a private method, who cares? :-)
[14:18:43] <JBurton> er... me ? :P
[14:18:59] <JBurton> it's easier if I just reimplement all those methods
[14:19:17] <JBurton> and if that parameter is there, there has to be a reason ... ;P
[14:19:44] <@mahlzeit> maybe it's just there to confuse you
[14:20:38] <JBurton> hah, could be :)
[14:20:42] <JBurton> anyway, I'm not caring for now :P
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[14:27:14] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/ (Menu.cpp MenuWindow.cpp):
[14:27:14] <CIA-6> MenuWindow now uses the private window_feel "1025", which I guess we'll need to
[14:27:14] <CIA-6> implement server side too, since it behaves differently than
[14:27:14] <CIA-6> B_MODAL_WINDOW_FEEL. Menu items added to a menubar didn't appear immediately, so
[14:27:14] <CIA-6> IA-6>	I forced an Invalidate(). Could be made better, I think.
[14:27:44] <JBurton> aargh
[14:27:50] <JBurton> it's done, DONE, not MADE
[14:27:51] <JBurton> damn
[14:27:53] <JBurton> english
[14:28:13] <@mahlzeit> actually, made is fine
[14:28:18] <JBurton> ah ok :P
[14:28:27] <JBurton> bah, english is so hard anyway
[14:29:29] <@mahlzeit> heh, i noticed that italian is pretty easy to read if you pretend it is english
[14:29:33] <JBurton> lol
[14:29:40] <@mahlzeit> it's true
[14:29:45] <JBurton> can you make up an example? :P
[14:30:16] <@mahlzeit> my parents went to venice on vacation and brought back some computer magazines and i could read them without too much trouble
[14:30:21] <JBurton> lol
[14:30:35] <@mahlzeit> although sometimes you have to guess what a word is (juegos or whatever you call games)
[14:30:40] <JBurton> giochi :P
[14:30:46] <Teknomancer> is there an app to  find and replace in a SET of files without opening all of them?? BeIDE's Find & Replaces opens ALL the files and replaces , and i will have to save a bunch of files and close each one...
[14:30:46] <@mahlzeit> oh :-)
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[14:31:12] <JBurton> damn, I hate people who think we talk like spain people :P
[14:31:31] <@mahlzeit> hey, it was a long time ago!
[14:31:37] <JBurton> :=))
[14:31:42] <@mahlzeit> my brother is taking a course in italian, though
[14:31:46] <JBurton> oh, how come ?
[14:31:51] <@mahlzeit> just for fun
[14:31:53] <JBurton> I heard many people who are
[14:31:54] <JBurton> hah
[14:32:00] <JBurton> I guess it's to catch more chicks
[14:32:16] <@mahlzeit> yeah his girlfriend will like that :-)
[14:32:21] <JBurton> heehh
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[15:18:32] <ahwayakchih> cya everyone, Happy New Year :)
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[15:21:07] <JBurton> oh sh
[15:21:10] <JBurton> I missed him
[15:25:15] <TuneTracker> stippi!
[15:25:25] <stippi> TuneTracker!
[15:25:28] <stippi> :-)
[15:25:32] <stippi> Wassup?
[15:25:49] <TuneTracker> First off, Merry Christmas, a little late.  :-)
[15:25:59] <TuneTracker> And a question...
[15:26:07] <TuneTracker> How "modular" is the media kit?  Is it possible to use BeOS 5 media kit with Zeta, for example?
[15:27:36] <stippi> TuneTracker: Merry Christmas to you too.
[15:27:43] <stippi> TuneTracker: I wouldn't count on it.
[15:28:12] <stippi> TuneTracker: It could well be, that some internal parts rely on functionality that is included in other libs.
[15:28:46] <TuneTracker> stippi How hard would it be to test?  Can I "round up" the necessary components fairly easily?  Are they all in one place?
[15:29:41] <stippi> TuneTracker: there would be libmedia.so of course, and then all the actual pugins. /boot/beos/system/add-ons/media/
[15:29:53] <stippi> plus the servers.
[15:29:59] <stippi> media_server
[15:30:03] <stippi> media_addon_server
[15:30:16] <stippi> audio_server
[15:31:11] <stippi> I would think that your test system would still boot if you just replaced those components even if it didn't work.
[15:31:24] <TuneTracker> stippi Ok, sounds good...I'll give it a try.
[15:31:47] <stippi> For example, some of the nodes may relay on interface kit features to display the parameter web, that have changed on Zeta.
[15:31:48] <TuneTracker> I'm trying to build up a solid TuneTracker computer using Zeta, but the media kit isn't too good.
[15:32:07] <stippi> But the stock R5 media kit is bugged as well!
[15:32:19] <TuneTracker> True, though BeOS 5 was better for handling input, by far.
[15:32:33] <stippi> I have made myself some hybrid stock R5 media kit + some components from the Media Kit Beta 1
[15:32:35] <TuneTracker> Zeta flakes out really easily when you try to tap into live input.
[15:33:00] <TuneTracker> How is that one working for you?
[15:33:02] <stippi> And those guys aren't helping you?
[15:33:33] <TuneTracker> stippi They're not as available as I need them to be, not so much because they don't care, but because they're so busy, on different sleeping schedules, etc.
[15:33:35] <stippi> TuneTracker: Well, for once it renders AVIs which have sound on Windows. And the system audio mixer is better.
[15:33:51] <stippi> TuneTracker: I understand.
[15:34:00] <TuneTracker> I'll try ANYTHING at this point.  I have orders to fill...  :-/
[15:34:06] <stippi> heh
[15:34:19] <TuneTracker> Are you at the computer that has the hybrid setup?
[15:34:21] <stippi> This situation sucks, I agree completely.
[15:34:26] <stippi> Yep.
[15:34:38] <stippi> I can send you a .pkg that installs to /System
[15:34:44] <stippi> I mean /boot
[15:35:25] <stippi> Trying to send it right now
[15:35:48] <TuneTracker> stippi Looks like a strikeout...can we try an FTP or something?
[15:35:59] <stippi> or maybe just email?
[15:36:07] <stippi> what was your adress again?
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[16:06:50] <JBurton> hey AnEvilYak
[16:07:46] <AnEvilYak> heya
[16:14:00] <Fanskapet> agh.. now i've ordered my new laptop.. 17k SEK gone in secons.. woho.. much money for a single click :)
[16:24:07] <ShackaN> sek? you swedish ?
[16:24:25] <Fanskapet> yep :)
[16:24:48] <ShackaN> uhm, I was looking for someone from over there
[16:24:59] <Fanskapet> okey? why's that? :)
[16:25:06] <ShackaN> just a question
[16:25:13] <Fanskapet> there is plenty of swedish people in the BeOS scene :)
[16:25:23] <@mahlzeit> and in this channel :-)
[16:25:30] <ShackaN> yes, but that's an off-topic question
[16:25:34] <Fanskapet> ahh yeah
[16:25:37] <Fanskapet> aha okey i see
[16:25:40] <Fanskapet> well shoot
[16:26:04] <ShackaN> I read in the news about over 1500 swedish people disappeared in the earthquake in asia
[16:26:09] <Fanskapet> ahh.. and i sure hope Haiku will be supported by my new little beast when it arrives :) http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?page=1439&head=36
[16:26:13] <ShackaN> but no one is talking about that
[16:26:18] <Fanskapet> ahh. yeah... alot of people has disappeared
[16:26:33] <Fanskapet> talking about it?
[16:26:42] <ShackaN> do you have any figures ?
[16:26:45] <Fanskapet> there is heavy media-flow around this subject
[16:27:00] <ShackaN> wow
[16:27:20] <Fanskapet> well i guess many people has died in the waves.. most of them lived on a popular turism area..
[16:27:31] <Fanskapet> actually i have some freinds in thailand
[16:27:36] <Fanskapet> they are all right though
[16:27:45] <ShackaN> here (italy) tv talks a lot about italians (of course), germans, english, french people involved, but never about swedens, and they're the most (i think)(
[16:28:04] <[Beta]> last figure I heard was just over 110,000 people.
[16:28:07] <Fanskapet> yeah..
[16:28:13] <[Beta]> afternoon.
[16:28:24] <w-ber> several of my relatives were there too, and I haven't heard of them yet
[16:28:29] <Fanskapet> the swedish goverment has spoke to the german goverment to let them help sweden to take home swedish people.
[16:28:32] <ShackaN> ...
[16:28:36] <Fanskapet> with their planes..
[16:28:58] <ShackaN> can't the swedish government do that by itself ?
[16:29:05] <w-ber> the police released a list of 263 missing Finns half an hour ago, but of course their web pages went down the same minute, as around half a million people visited the site
[16:29:17] <ShackaN> uhm
[16:29:49] <ShackaN> there was a distributed web mirror.. cant remeber the url, could be a nice idea in theese cases
[16:29:51] <Fanskapet> yeah we can but.. well it's many people :) and sweden doesn't really have that kind of preparedness for this type of distasters
[16:30:03] <ShackaN> uhm ok
[16:30:07] <Fanskapet> they spoke about sending down a Hercules airplane
[16:30:18] <Fanskapet> but i think that was out of the question :) not a very good passenger airplane :)
[16:30:28] <ShackaN> here we're kinda used to earthquakes and inundations :D
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[16:31:07] <Fanskapet> ahh okey well in sweden we're not :)
[16:31:22] <Fanskapet> not very usual to get earthquakes down here :)
[16:31:34] <ShackaN> but I didn't expect so many scandinavians to be over there
[16:31:51] <Fanskapet> it's one of the biggest tourism places swedish people go to
[16:31:52] <w-ber> the holiday season
[16:32:12] <ShackaN> ehm
[16:32:23] <ShackaN> it's one of the biggest tourism places swedish people _USED TO_ go to
[16:32:29] <Fanskapet> ahh yeah :)
[16:32:29] <ShackaN> :)
[16:32:32] <Fanskapet> probably :P
[16:33:10] <Fanskapet> but actually i feel more sorrow for the people from eg. thailand
[16:33:24] <ShackaN> sure
[16:33:27] <Fanskapet> they won't get even near the same treatement as the swedish/uk.... people will get
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[16:37:11] <Begasus> hmm is tycom having trouble's again?
[16:38:00] <JBurton> yeah
[16:38:09] <Begasus> bummer ..
[16:38:10] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/Menu.cpp: BMenu now does even work correctly and doesn't flicker anymore. Submenus does not yet, though, and sticky mode is not yed supported.
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[16:43:41] <ShackaN> linux di merda...
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[16:44:41] <tqh> silence means coding :)
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[16:46:08] <JBurton> hmmm my eyes start to burn
[16:47:43] <[Beta]> hmm
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[16:48:04] <Begasus> lay of the screen for a sec (if you are able) JBurton :)
[16:48:25] <@mahlzeit> and don't rub pepper in them
[16:48:33] <Begasus> hi mahlzeit ;)
[16:48:33] <JBurton> mahlzeit ahahah
[16:48:39] <Begasus> ff geleden :)
[16:48:44] <@mahlzeit> hoi Begasus
[16:48:48] <JBurton> Begasus well, I think I have burned my coffee breaks too for today :P
[16:48:48] <Begasus> long time no see ;)
[16:48:50] <@mahlzeit> inderdaad :-)
[16:48:58] <Begasus> lol
[16:49:07] <Begasus> already JBurton? <eg>
[16:49:29] <Begasus> calm day at the office then today ;)
[16:50:53] <Begasus> just watching the making of LOTR II :)
[16:52:32] <Begasus> mahlzeit zijn er naar de toekomst toe ook vertaling nodig voor Haiku?
[16:52:56] <@mahlzeit> dat zal ver in de toekomst zijn, denk ik :-)
[16:53:34] <@mahlzeit> voor R1 zal wat documentatie vertaald moeten worden, maar ik denk niet het besturingssysteem zelf
[16:53:54] <Begasus> zijn jullie op dit moment nog aangewezen op een Tracker versie van Haiku zelf of zullen jullie gebruik gaan maken van TrackerNewFS?
[16:54:17] <@mahlzeit> voor zover ik weet gebruiken we OpenTracker
[16:54:36] <JBurton> anyway, for anyone who's interested...
[16:54:37] <JBurton> http://burton666.neoni.net/menus1.jpg
[16:54:39] <JBurton> http://burton666.neoni.net/menus2.jpg
[16:54:41] <JBurton> http://burton666.neoni.net/menus3.jpg
[16:54:41] <@mahlzeit> maar dit is nog niet in de cvs repository gestopt
[16:54:43] <Begasus> maar deze heeft nog geen ondersteuning voor Locale Files denk ik of wel?
[16:54:49] <JBurton> the BMenu*** classes are haiku's
[16:54:54] <JBurton> except BMenuItem
[16:55:08] <@mahlzeit> localisatie doen we pas in R2, en dan meteen goed :-)
[16:55:15] <@mahlzeit> nice, JBurton
[16:55:30] <JBurton> thanks, mahlzeit, as you can see, the second menu (test) isn't drawn correctly
[16:55:36] <JBurton> should be some bitmaps there
[16:55:42] <@mahlzeit> the white spot?
[16:55:44] <JBurton> yeah
[16:55:56] <JBurton> wait, I'll upload the correct shot too
[16:56:17] <Begasus> nice going JBurton
[16:56:41] <Begasus> been doing a lot of work on the BMenu item lately ;)
[16:56:51] <JBurton> yeah :P
[16:56:53] <@mahlzeit> brb
[16:56:57] <Begasus> tz
[16:57:00] <JBurton> and note that it's all done under virtual pc :P
[16:57:06] <Begasus> heh
[16:57:20] <Begasus> not under BeBochs? :P
[16:58:11] <JBurton> no, it's too slow to boot beos :P
[16:58:38] <Begasus> even the latest update?
[16:58:47] <JBurton> yeah
[16:58:52] <Begasus> mind you .. i've never worked with BeBochs
[16:59:15] <JBurton> and anyway... what use has bebochs for one who has only windows 2000 here ? :P
[16:59:16] <Begasus> but I seem to remember some stuff about Haiku using BeBochs ..
[16:59:20] <JBurton> Begasus yup
[16:59:25] <JBurton> ton>	to develop HAIKU under BEOS
[16:59:41] <Begasus> for the ISA driver isseu .. etc
[16:59:46] <JBurton> but I have to develop HAIKU's high level classes under BEOS under WINDOWS
[16:59:47] <JBurton> :))))
[16:59:55] <Begasus> jikes .. :P
[16:59:57] <Begasus> lol
[17:01:23] <ShackaN> !?
[17:01:38] <ShackaN> get virtual pc..
[17:02:03] <Begasus> why not use the R5 enviroment?
[17:02:13] <Begasus> updated with the Haiku code/apps?
[17:03:52] <ShackaN> imho vpc is the only way of doing what you're trying do to (btw, WHAT are you doing exactly?) on windows
[17:06:17] <JBurton> Begasus because I can't install beos here :P
[17:06:24] <JBurton> ShackaN I AM using it :P
[17:06:47] <ShackaN> using haiku?
[17:06:59] <Begasus> hehe .. right .. you'r still at work :P
[17:07:27] <Begasus> haven't got a laptop JBurton? <eg>
[17:07:49] <JBurton> ShackaN no, using beos
[17:07:51] <JBurton> Begasus no :P
[17:07:57] <Begasus> ;)
[17:08:47] <JBurton> I am poor :P
[17:09:00] <ShackaN> I am poorer..
[17:09:10] <Begasus> hmmm and no kids JBurton .. :P
[17:09:19] <JBurton> yeah
[17:09:27] <ShackaN> luckily :)
[17:09:42] <JBurton> well if I had some kids I could've sold some of them
[17:09:44] <JBurton> :/
[17:09:50] <Begasus> I got a wife and 4 kids here .. (one who has a boyfriend) so most of the time we are with 7 people in the house ...
[17:09:52] <ShackaN> lol!!!!
[17:10:04] <Begasus> not counting a friend that stayed for a while here ;P
[17:10:04] <ShackaN> wow...
[17:10:09] <JBurton> heh
[17:10:16] <Begasus> after his devorce ..
[17:10:26] <JBurton> well, my wife has a big family, we usually end up there :P
[17:10:35] <Begasus> (and I'm a soul provider) or how do you call them ..
[17:10:41] <Begasus> lol JBurton
[17:10:43] <ShackaN> !?
[17:10:49] <ShackaN> "soul provider" ?
[17:10:54] <Begasus> the wife has no income
[17:10:57] <ShackaN> newspeak for priest ?
[17:11:04] <ShackaN> ahh ok ok ok
[17:11:07] <Begasus> hehe
[17:11:13] <Begasus> no priest here . .LOL
[17:11:50] <ShackaN> and you work, uhmm, let me guess... in IT!
[17:11:56] <Begasus> nope :P
[17:12:00] <ShackaN> uh..
[17:12:21] <Begasus> we manufacture windows and doors (and I mostly are on the move to place them)
[17:12:35] <Begasus> don't know how you should call that in english
[17:12:52] <ShackaN> I'm not englush anyway.. :)
[17:13:00] <ShackaN> *english
[17:13:18] <Begasus> let's just say if you need any new doors or windows I'm the guy that steps at your door :)
[17:14:02] <Begasus> totaly unrelated to programing or pc's
[17:14:33] <ShackaN> ok, I'll give you a call next time my _windows_ pc crashes and I throw it out the _window_
[17:14:42] <Begasus> heeh
[17:14:47] <ShackaN> no wait!
[17:14:50] <Begasus> np .. just yell :P
[17:14:59] <ShackaN> I got it ! your're in sales at microsoft!!!!
[17:15:13] <Begasus> not likely :P
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[17:15:31] <Begasus> hi Koki
[17:15:32] <ShackaN> lol
[17:15:33] <[Beta]> a]>	a builder ?
[17:15:46] <Begasus> home made one [Beta]
[17:15:48] <@mahlzeit> bob the builder!
[17:15:52] <Begasus> lol
[17:15:56] <[Beta]> a]>	a travelling carpenter.
[17:15:58] <[Beta]> heh
[17:16:15] <ShackaN> yeah! bob the builder, the hero of thousands german youngsters!
[17:16:30] <Begasus> german??
[17:16:31] <[Beta]> bloody british TV
[17:16:43] <Begasus> Belgium :P
[17:17:05] <ShackaN> I remember seeing "bob the builder" gadgets in every toy store in germany and austria
[17:17:09] <Koki> hello Begasus
[17:17:46] <Begasus> never watched the periods ... (just know the theme from the song) ;)
[17:18:14] <Begasus> Koki .. did you try the im_client Jabber protocol yet?
[17:19:47] <Koki> no Begasus: my im_kit is somewhat impaired since moving to Neo + SP
[17:19:59] <Begasus> impaired?
[17:20:10] <Begasus> don't know that word sorry :S
[17:20:11] <[Beta]> limited.
[17:20:20] <[Beta]> in the sense of br0ked
[17:20:24] <Begasus> ow is it?
[17:20:29] <Begasus> just the locale files ..
[17:20:29] <Koki> yes, limited.
[17:20:34] <ShackaN> Koki, you got neo? what's new with it ?
[17:21:22] <Begasus> Koki .. im_kit is still running nice here ..
[17:21:43] <JBurton> [Beta] are you the John who's reporting bugs/inaccuracies in the haiku's tree ?
[17:21:44] <Begasus> beside the fact that the Jabber client is not fully integrated in im_kit
[17:22:09] <[Beta]> i'm that John, yeah
[17:22:12] <Koki> Begasus: I may have to reinstall Zeta. I have been testing a lot of stuff lately, and there may be some stry files there.
[17:22:17] <JBurton> [Beta] well, just wanted to thank you
[17:22:24] <[Beta]> oh?
[17:22:27] <Begasus> hehe Koki ..
[17:22:30] <JBurton> we need people like you, who review the code
[17:22:32] <[Beta]> I saw your convo with Andrew earlier..
[17:22:35] <Begasus> been doing some weird stuf then ;P
[17:22:42] <JBurton> [Beta] heh :)
[17:23:22] <[Beta]> I just read the mailing list - I 'can' code, but prefer to watch; I dont want to break anything
[17:23:26] <[Beta]> but ty
[17:23:50] <Koki> ShackaN: there is a lot of stuff that has been fixed. My USB2 stuff works nicely now, including automount.
[17:24:00] <Koki> check out http://www.yellowtab.com/news/article.php?id=111 ShackaN
[17:24:08] <ShackaN> thanks
[17:24:11] <Begasus> I seem to remember someone who was really p*ssed of at someone trying to contribute but mostly broke the build :P
[17:24:17] <Koki> ciao JBurton
[17:24:22] <JBurton> ciao Koki
[17:24:23] <JBurton> :)
[17:24:32] <JBurton> Begasus who ? :P
[17:24:54] <JBurton> [Beta] well, you can send patches anyway
[17:25:02] <Begasus> well the did a good job on updating the new mediaplayer .. but it's still not the size the old one has ..
[17:25:11] <JBurton> [Beta] so you won't be responsible of breakign the build :P
[17:25:26] <[Beta]> i've got a question.. is __INTEL__ defined if the target is intel, or if the host is it ?
[17:25:42] <Begasus> hehe JBurton
[17:26:05] <JBurton> hmm good question
[17:26:15] <JBurton> well, actually we can't cross compile, so there is no difference :P
[17:26:24] <JBurton> for the moment, at least
[17:26:45] <[Beta]> just looked at the cpu_id code
[17:26:59] <JBurton> yes ?
[17:27:52] <[Beta]> just wigs me out. all the possiblity to break with #defs & consts
[17:28:38] <JBurton> heh
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[18:08:27] <JBurton> bye all
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[18:23:37] <Konrad> jonaskirilla
[18:25:23] <Fanskapet> Konrad
[18:25:23] <Fanskapet> :)
[18:25:29] <Konrad> Hejsan Fanskapet
[18:25:33] <Fanskapet> jonaskirilla aswell though :)
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[18:25:45] <Konrad> Lite seg bara
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[18:26:06] <jonaskirilla> ey, Fanskapet
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[18:26:24] <Fanskapet> yo brotah :)
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[18:28:51] <Konrad> http://83.227.103.209/NuvolaTheme%2Epng
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[18:29:46] <jonaskirilla> trefvligt tema
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[18:31:03] <Fanskapet> :/
[18:31:05] <Konrad> Medans R5 fungerar fint
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[18:31:11] <Konrad> Jaja skall fixa mat nu
[18:31:33] <Fanskapet> ah kej.. mors hoppas de smakar :)
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[18:32:42] <Fanskapet> aha okey :) soft :)
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[18:33:57] <Fanskapet> mjo
[18:34:09] <Fanskapet> fick juh gratis civil-ordningsvakts utbildning av polisen via lumpen
[18:34:16] <Fanskapet> kostar cirkus 9000pixx att ta civilt annars :)
[18:34:19] <jonaskirilla> javisst ja :)
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[18:34:34] <jonaskirilla> vaktpatrullen :)
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[18:34:53] <Fanskapet> hehe mjo :)
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[18:37:23] <@Dr_Evil> hey this looks scary
[18:37:53] <Fanskapet> what looks scary?
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[18:40:01] <Fanskapet> hehe :)
[18:40:05] <Fanskapet> swedish.. well it is :)
[18:40:18] <Fanskapet> we swedish people is scary you know :)
[18:41:17] <MikeW> really scary since ye talk about yourselves collectively as a single person ;)
[18:41:51] <Fanskapet> :)
[18:41:59] <Fanskapet> we are one!
[18:42:00] <Fanskapet> :)
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[18:47:55] <ShackaN> <Fanskapet> we are one!
[18:48:01] <ShackaN> sound to me like
[18:48:08] <ShackaN> WE ARE THE BORGS
[18:48:11] <Fanskapet> :)
[18:48:20] <Fanskapet> no swedish i said :D
[18:48:21] <ShackaN> borg sounds swedish, indeed
[18:48:21] <Fanskapet> ;)
[18:49:01] <ShackaN> you DO know I was quoting star trek, don't you ?
[18:49:39] <Fanskapet> yes :)
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[18:49:53] <Fanskapet> "we are borg"
[18:50:00] <Fanskapet> "we will assimilate you"
[18:50:00] <Fanskapet> :)
[18:50:19] <ShackaN> does borg mean anything in swedish ?
[18:50:44] <Fanskapet> yeah.. well castle
[18:50:53] <Fanskapet> if you translate the word
[18:50:53] <ShackaN> uhm..
[18:52:54] <tqh> Ain't the world swedish already?
[18:54:03] <Fanskapet> soon.. or well... we will invade USA and disarm it's nuclear arsenal :)
[18:54:12] <Fanskapet> they could use it against some country :)
[18:54:33] <Konrad> Its just a matter of time before Sweden invades US..
[18:54:35] <Fanskapet> .. *quoting W. bush*
[18:54:35] <Fanskapet> :)
[18:55:13] <Konrad> I wonder when US will invade Norway, I mean they have alot of oil
[18:55:24] <fyysik> what means Hjarte Alltid Vanker ?
[18:55:25] <ShackaN> ...and chicks!!!
[18:55:33] <Konrad> .. and fish
[18:55:38] <ShackaN> fyysik, seems a name
[18:55:40] <[Beta]> chicks > fish
[18:55:44] <Konrad> Hehe
[18:55:52] <fyysik> ShackaN - asking wseden and norvegian
[18:55:52] <Fanskapet> im I correct or do the US have the largest amount of nuclear-weaponary int he world? :)
[18:55:58] <fyysik> sweden
[18:56:06] <Konrad> "My hard continues to beat", rough translation
[18:56:16] <Konrad> Heart
[18:56:19] <Fanskapet> it's a bit ironic that the US is invading country's for weapons of mass-destruction :)
[18:56:28] <fyysik> Hjart - heart, alltid ?
[18:56:32] <[Beta]> Fanskapet: they have a large amount, but do we really know how much weaponary eastern countries have ?
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[18:57:12] <Fanskapet> yeah.. of course.. you can't really know.. but i don't think the other country's has the amount of money to beat the US army
[18:57:27] <fyysik> that was nice swedish song from BeOSRadio, melody very similar to "Lilly of the Valley"
[18:57:33] <Fanskapet> and the US army is maniacs when it comes to producing nuclear-weapons
[18:57:51] <[Beta]> Well, raw IQ figures shows US army at the bottom of the list.
[18:59:16] <Konrad> Fanskapet I think sweden will use Gerilla warfare incase of war, I heard its written in the Yellowbook of Eniro =)
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[18:59:41] <Fanskapet> hehe :)
[18:59:47] <Fanskapet> Konrad so true :)
[19:00:24] <Konrad> I was amazed how fast they rebuilt thoose planes this morning
[19:00:49] * Konrad is idle: food
[19:01:07] <Fanskapet> yeah
[19:01:28] * tqh should do something useful, like playing ET, instead of working on Mozilla
[19:02:25] <fyysik> ET ?
[19:02:51] * fyysik is doing least useful thing - rebboting his computer every 3 minutes last 4 days
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[19:03:41] <tqh> Enemy Territory, First person shooter under Win
[19:04:08] <fyysik> ahh
[19:04:53] <Fanskapet> ah well maybe i should go off and play some colin mcrae on my xbox :)
[19:06:26] <tqh> I'm just waiting for the build to fail...
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[19:13:20] <Koki> fyysik!
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[19:21:09] <Koki> question for the gurus: is there a s3 ViRGE MX 260 video card driver for BeOS?
[19:21:54] <@Dr_Evil> I would like to pass this question to mmu_man
[19:23:30] <fyysik> hi Koki
[19:24:30] <@mmu_man> a) bebits ? b) bedrivers.com c) hmm use the Source Luke
[19:24:50] <@mmu_man> I happen to have a PCI virge DX here, but I think that one is supported
[19:25:10] <@mmu_man> is that MX stuff made after S3 was bought by VIA ?
[19:25:23] <@mmu_man> (VIA being very reluctant at giving away specs)
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[19:26:28] * fyysik 've read that fantastic story about opensources S3 driver somewhere
[19:27:22] <Koki> mmu_man, actually, I am not sure. I am asking on behalf of a Japanese user, so do not have anymore details on the card. Looked in bebits, but nothing there.
[19:29:02] <fyysik> Koki - isn't english popular  in Japan?
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[19:29:34] <fyysik> which foreign language they study usually?
[19:30:44] <@mmu_man> fyysik: [queued] no; the value read from there, cf ISA.h
[19:31:05] <@mmu_man> next time don't leave right after asking questions :P
[19:32:34] <fyysik> mmu_man - heh. that was another KDL, not intentional quit:)
[19:32:44] <Koki> fyysik: english is studied for 6 years in high school in Japan.
[19:33:19] <fyysik> Koki - and in secondary school?
[19:33:57] <Koki> high school = secondary school.
[19:34:29] <fyysik> ahh
[19:35:00] <fyysik> i'm just wondering why we need some translator to communicate with japanese BeOS community
[19:35:03] <Koki> but there is a focus on theory, and not so much in conversation and/or communication skills.
[19:35:27] <Koki> because the Japanese are reluctant to communicate with the outside world. :-)
[19:35:43] <Koki> it is either that or nothing. Nothing I can do about it. :-)
[19:35:44] <fyysik> gaidzins?
[19:35:53] <Koki> gaijin
[19:36:04] <Koki> yes, I am a crazy gaijin. :-)
[19:37:31] <Koki> fyysik: you are welcome to try to contact Rihatsu-san directly. He may (or may not) respond to you.
[19:39:33] * fyysik proposes simplified chinese as lingua franca of the future
[19:40:02] * Koki thinks fyysik is a crazy gaijin
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[19:42:54] <fyysik> another candidate is renewed sanskrit. Like hebrew was renewed
[19:44:17] <@mmu_man> VIVE LE FRANCAIS \o/
[19:44:21] <[Beta]> nah
[19:44:54] <@mmu_man> vision new french BeOS user ?
[19:44:57] <@mmu_man> that makes 2 :)
[19:47:28] <vision> Salut ! mmu_man
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[19:47:55] <@mmu_man> hehe
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[19:49:20] <Koki> oops! Vision crash.... hmmm... first one ever.
[19:49:36] <Koki> AnEvilYak here?
[19:50:12] <Koki> can anyone help this guy? > http://www.osnews.com/phorum/read.php?f=8&i=5412&t=5401#reply_5412
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[19:51:14] * ShackaN plaisante, of course
[19:51:48] * mmu_man slaps ShackaN
[19:52:39] <ShackaN> :)
[19:52:57] <ShackaN> ou mieux, faire Haiku en Japonais!
[19:53:32] <AnEvilYak> pourquoi pas? :)
[19:55:10] <ShackaN> gh, et voir les messages d'erreur en ideogrammes... brrrrr
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[19:56:42] <ShackaN> uhm, non, niquer les touristes japonaises c'est une VRAIE raison pour apprendre le japonais
[19:57:29] <ShackaN> no japanese here, hopefully...
[19:57:30] <ShackaN> :D
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[20:01:53] <ShackaN> paix?
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[20:02:59] <ShackaN> hehehe
[20:03:22] <ShackaN> I'll never train my bad french here again
[20:03:46] <Baldur> sorry ShackaN, you could again ! it's fine
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[20:13:45] <fyysik> hi stippi
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[20:20:54] <@mmu_man> fyysik
[20:20:56] <@mmu_man> one nice crashy website: http://www.microtek.fr/
[20:20:59] <@mmu_man> makes app_server hang
[20:21:01] <@mmu_man> *WARNING* you have been warn
[20:21:03] <@mmu_man> :)
[20:21:13] <@mmu_man> only works with net+
[20:21:16] <@mmu_man> opera locks up
[20:21:25] <@mmu_man> and moz freezes everything
[20:21:26] <AnEvilYak> works fine here.
[20:21:28] <AnEvilYak> (Firefox)
[20:21:38] <@mmu_man> odd
[20:21:50] <AnEvilYak> mmu_man: bug in your accelerant somewhere maybe?
[20:21:50] <fyysik> wrong mozilla maybe
[20:21:56] <fyysik> no freeze here
[20:22:03] <@mmu_man> it's teh buggy build you did for me :p
[20:22:03] <@dos4> brb
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[20:22:24] <fyysik> 1.85a ?
[20:22:28] <Koki> works fine here too > http://www.microtek.fr/
[20:22:30] <fyysik> yeah, i warned you
[20:22:35] <@mmu_man> the
[20:22:40] <fyysik> it is palin build from CVS
[20:22:45] <@mmu_man> the one with the misplaced popups
[20:22:46] <fyysik> so - buggy
[20:22:49] <fyysik> yeah
[20:22:52] <@mmu_man> hehe
[20:22:57] <fyysik> buggy with guarantee
[20:23:07] <fyysik> lot of leaks etc
[20:27:13] <fyysik> mmu_man - and it is not only buggy, but also slow, compared to that version which don't work currently with Dano app_server
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[20:31:18] <@mmu_man> hmm the most wanted page of bedrivers.com makes opera crash
[20:32:21] <fyysik> hey, Opera, give away your ancient source code!
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[20:38:18] <@mmu_man> Dr_Evil is that I_lack_audio_in-ac97 driver in cvs ?
[20:38:43] <@Dr_Evil> sure
[20:39:34] <@Dr_Evil> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/open-beos/current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/ac97/ich/
[20:39:41] <@Dr_Evil> also see the HACKING brank
[20:39:44] <@Dr_Evil> branch
[20:39:55] <@mmu_man> it's newer ?
[20:39:56] * fyysik we loock at ich-a97 init code
[20:40:05] <fyysik> will
[20:40:22] <@mmu_man> BRANCH_MULTIAUDIO_HACKING ?
[20:40:35] <@Dr_Evil> yes
[20:40:44] <@Dr_Evil> no its not newer
[20:40:50] <@Dr_Evil> well it is unfinishd
[20:40:53] <@mmu_man> ok
[20:41:56] <@mmu_man> oh seems that PC has the chip /dev/audio/multi/ich_ac97/1
[20:42:05] <@mmu_man> asrock mobo
[20:42:20] <@mmu_man> I guess I'll hack in input so Dane has something at least
[20:42:49] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - why (audio) device numbering starts with 1, not 0?
[20:43:09] <@Dr_Evil> Be Inc decision
[20:43:16] <[Beta]> 19:43:16 <[Beta]>	1 is nicer
[20:43:19] <[Beta]> imho
[20:43:29] <@mmu_man> 19:43:29 <@mmu_man>	1 is logical from user pov
[20:43:33] <@mmu_man> not from dev pov :)
[20:43:44] <@Dr_Evil> not at all :)
[20:44:10] <@mmu_man> hmm no makefile ?
[20:44:13] * fyysik investigates io.c
[20:44:32] <@mmu_man> don't want to cvs co everythign on that box
[20:44:43] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - why io look different for case if (config->type & TYPE_ICH4) ?
[20:44:48] <fyysik> looks
[20:45:25] <[Beta]> 1, 0, it doesnt make anything more longwinded for the dev (?)
[20:46:38] <@Dr_Evil> fyysik because ICH4 and up is very different
[20:46:53] <[Beta]> Who's QA lead ?
[20:47:09] <@mmu_man> cvs [login aborted]: unrecognized auth response from cvs.sourceforge.net: M -!- Project map lookup failed ()
[20:47:10] <@mmu_man> wtf
[20:48:27] <@mmu_man> ah it didn't like the / at end of CVSROOT
[20:48:58] <@mmu_man> hmm
[20:48:58] <@mmu_man> ln -s current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/ac97
[20:49:00] <@mmu_man> :)))
[20:49:35] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - i mean what happens there - what is log_mbbar - RAM mapped register or?
[20:50:10] <@mmu_man> hmm what's teh != b/w ich/ and ichaudio/ ?
[20:50:53] <@Dr_Evil> ichaudio was a completly new attempt, stopped that due to time reasons
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[20:51:56] <@Dr_Evil> fyysik yes
[20:52:07] <@Dr_Evil> ICH4 and uo has memory mapped registers
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[20:53:13] <@Dr_Evil> fyysik the names like "nabmbar" are from the datasheet
[20:53:41] <@mmu_man> bar = active low usually
[20:54:21] * mmu_man digx the big box for a mic
[20:54:34] <@Dr_Evil> bar = base address register
[20:54:59] <fyysik> ahh
[20:55:08] <@Dr_Evil> nabmbar native audio bus mastering base address register
[20:55:45] <fyysik> ik>	i c that thus "nambars"  are used also in Korli's code, but he uses write/read_io everywhere
[20:56:10] <@Dr_Evil> I don't know korlys code
[20:56:23] <@mmu_man> that's cause he doesn't use memory mapped regs
[20:56:25] <fyysik> he did it following your code in some sense
[20:56:44] <@mmu_man> is the datasheet for that public ?
[20:56:50] <@mmu_man> hmm I htink I have it somewhere already
[20:58:01] <fyysik> but it crashes here as real Evil. Sometimes it boots and works whole day, but next day - always KDL on start. So, probably only idea is to learn how to write drivers myself:)
[20:59:08] <@mmu_man> ok, makefile done
[20:59:14] <@mmu_man> compiles
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[21:00:26] <@mmu_man> ac97r21.pdf hmm
[21:03:48] <@Dr_Evil> how does the stack crawl look like?
[21:04:02] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man what are you doing?
[21:04:44] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - are you asking me?
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[21:05:57] <@Dr_Evil> fyysik no, I'm talking with the person what has a crashing driver sometimes :p
[21:07:31] <fyysik> heh, Dr_Evil - it is hard to giess if it is not preceded by nickname. Sometimes. But anyway. Stack crawl varies. Different threads running at startup code. But it seems i can stabilzie crah in sequence emuxki_init->emuxki_setup->write_io_*
[21:08:32] <fyysik> last time i managed to start without crash was debug build. But builds, compiled without debug, crash always here last 3 days
[21:09:36] <@mmu_man> KERN 'media_addon_server'[326]: ich_ac97: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
[21:09:37] <@mmu_man> lol
[21:10:31] <@mmu_man> not much can happen bad in write_io_*
[21:10:43] <@mmu_man> either the thing is not here or it is
[21:10:51] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - i'm wondering if write_io_ calls (as read_io) are allowed to follow each other without any pause.  As i don't know how kernel deals with those internally and takes in account hardware possible lags etc
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[21:11:03] <@mmu_man> even ifit's not here the wriet should not crash
[21:11:10] <@Dr_Evil> yes they are allowed
[21:11:31] <@Dr_Evil> they should never crash, as long as the memory was mapped properly
[21:11:40] <@mmu_man> fyysik for slow hw (ISA) you can use spin(), but here it's not needed I think
[21:11:41] <@Dr_Evil> and the poitner is not corrupted
[21:11:54] <@mmu_man> hmm right
[21:12:01] <@Dr_Evil> you should check the area address of the area used,m and the crashing pointer
[21:12:06] <@mmu_man> are you suure get_module(PCI_BUS_MANAGER) is called ?
[21:12:10] <@Dr_Evil> it should point into the mapped area
[21:12:33] <fyysik> ik>	i see ASSERT() in your io.c, Dr_Evil - is there possibility that register numbers may be negative?
[21:13:27] <@mmu_man> KERN 'media_addon_server'[326]: ich_ac97: found SiS SI7012
[21:13:47] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man great :)
[21:14:02] <@Dr_Evil> fyysik no, only by error during development
[21:14:12] <fyysik> heh
[21:14:12] <@Dr_Evil> ASSERT is only to catch errors during development
[21:15:03] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - also i see function, missing in Korli's code - status_t ich_codec_wait(void);
[21:16:07] <fyysik> as crash seems heavily related to time issues, i suspect that similar function may be essential
[21:16:11] <@Dr_Evil> may not be needed, and should be pretty unrelated to a crash
[21:16:40] <@Dr_Evil> writring at the wrong time may make the hardware to misbehave, but can't crash the driver
[21:17:05] <@mmu_man> Dr_Evil is that a good one ? :)
[21:17:23] <@Dr_Evil> yes, pretty good clone
[21:17:32] <@Dr_Evil> just minor differences to ICH
[21:17:53] <@Dr_Evil> see config.h for differences
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[21:18:57] <@mmu_man> LOL
[21:19:07] <@mmu_man> the point of making standard if it's all vendor specific ??
[21:19:07] * fyysik recalls another old question to Dr_Evil
[21:19:13] <@mmu_man> sound like USB
[21:19:36] <@Dr_Evil> AC97 host chipsets are very vendor specific
[21:20:21] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - that's strange situation. When i start Haiku medai preferences directly, i can change OutputChannel for AudioOutput. But not if i start MediaSettings from Deskbar Volume Control
[21:20:59] <@Dr_Evil> that probably runs the Be version
[21:21:07] <@Dr_Evil> did you install haiku desklink ?
[21:21:28] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - desklink? What is it? How to install?
[21:21:30] * fyysik is lame
[21:21:49] <fyysik> ik>	i only replaced standard Media preferences with Haiku one
[21:22:25] <@AndrewBachmann> we should probably make a media kit package including plugins etc
[21:22:33] <@Dr_Evil> did you really replce the correct file, not only the link?
[21:22:47] <@Dr_Evil> Media prefs is launched from deskbar by desklink using mime sig I think
[21:23:32] <fyysik> ik>	i think i replace binary, not link
[21:23:54] <fyysik> so no old MediaPreferences, i hope, on this volume
[21:23:58] <@Dr_Evil> AndrewBachmann yes
[21:24:07] <@mmu_man> http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0112.3/0587.html even AC can't get datasheets  ? pfff
[21:25:58] <Fanskapet> hmm not any haiku-related though, but have someone tryed Zeta NEO? is it really worth buying?
[21:26:56] <@Dr_Evil> well I'm using it, but didn't buy it
[21:27:17] <@Dr_Evil> it has integrated bone, and muhc better usb support
[21:30:52] <@mmu_man> http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/audio/ updated
[21:31:36] <@mmu_man> hmm funny the pages tells about 2.2
[21:31:48] <@mmu_man> http://search2.intel.com/corporate/default.aspx?culture=en-US&q=ac97_r23.pdf but there is 2.3 :)
[21:33:37] <@mmu_man> hmm ah ok component spec 2.3
[21:33:45] <@mmu_man> very consistent =)
[21:35:28] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man get 25275101.pdf and 29823801.pdf
[21:36:55] <@mmu_man> getting
[21:37:17] <fyysik> seems asserting don't help. In case of crash log file is empty
[21:38:18] <@Dr_Evil> #define ASSERT(a) if (a) ; else panic("ASSERT failed, file %s, line %d", __FILE__, __LINE__)
[21:39:03] <fyysik> so it will appear in KDL screen or syslog?
[21:39:15] <@mmu_man> panic = kdl
[21:39:25] <fyysik> thanks
[21:39:32] <Fanskapet> Dr_Evil, ahh okey.. well i think it might be needed to get my new laptop to work in BeOS.
[21:39:45] <Fanskapet> i guess i will get massive compatibility problems :/
[21:39:54] <Fanskapet> does BeOS even boot on a AMD 64 CPU?
[21:39:57] <Fanskapet> in 32bit mode?
[21:40:23] <fyysik> Fanskapet - if you disable BIOS calls
[21:40:55] <Fanskapet> ahh okey
[21:43:06] <Fanskapet> so there isn't a way to patch the kernel afterwards?
[21:43:07] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man does the 29823801 file help you?
[21:43:28] <Fanskapet> like when making it compatible with AthlonXP? just change GenuineIntel to AuthenticAMD
[21:43:44] <Fanskapet> or is there another reason why it don't boot?
[21:45:12] <@mmu_man> still searching for sis doc
[21:45:26] <@Dr_Evil> I guess you won't find them
[21:45:36] <fyysik> Fanskapet - in case of AMD64 i need only edit kernel settings file
[21:45:49] <fyysik> tried it at work
[21:46:13] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man I'm interested in the new intel audio standard, but I first need get DVB working
[21:46:17] <fyysik> no need for binary hack and other such stupidy
[21:46:56] <@mmu_man> seems not easy to find indeed
[21:47:48] <@mmu_man> ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/manuals/ no sis here
[21:48:04] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man wyh do you need sis?
[21:48:10] <@Dr_Evil> doesn't the driver work?
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[21:50:06] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man?
[21:51:09] <@mmu_man> well yeah just for completeness
[21:51:42] <Fanskapet> fyysik, ahh i see.. good info to know when i get it .. hopefully tomorow :)
[21:51:48] <@Dr_Evil> just use ICH 2 docu
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[21:53:32] <fyysik> Fanskapet - yeah. for first start/install you disable it in Safe Mode boot menu, and then permanently in settings file
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[21:54:12] <Fanskapet> ahh. almost too easy :)
[21:54:31] <Fanskapet> still i guess Zeta NEO is the choice for me.. 90% of this laptop will probably not even be supported by R5 :/
[21:54:32] <Fanskapet> sadly
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[22:07:37] <ShackaN> what makes you think zeta will support it ? :)
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[22:28:34] <@Dr_Evil> for those who can read german: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/54690
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[22:34:00] <mumu25> wow, i don't want to be the guy who wrote: complete_account_number(char* number, int len);
[22:34:18] <ShackaN> wew, I wish I was not one of the programmers who wrote that software :D
[22:35:33] <ShackaN> Dr_Evil, in Deutschland, a programmer can be fired for such a mistake ?
[22:38:19] <mumu25> everywhere a programmer can be fired for that kind of mistake
[22:39:26] <ShackaN> uh, sorry I don't have any idea
[22:39:36] <ShackaN> never written code for money
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[22:48:29] <@mmu_man> codec vendor id      = 0x434d4983
[22:48:29] <@mmu_man> codec descripton     = C-Media
[22:48:30] <@mmu_man> codec 3d enhancement = No 3D Stereo Enhancement
[22:56:35] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man  new notebook?
[22:59:45] <@mmu_man> no, athlon box
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[23:04:59] <fyysik> dam
[23:05:38] <fyysik> now media_addon server thread crashes - >log_printf - something about bfs and indices
[23:05:44] <@AndrewBachmann> :-/
[23:06:01] <@AndrewBachmann> just reminded me that my other box is dead
[23:06:06] <@AndrewBachmann> I need to try to recover it
[23:06:20] <fyysik> and bfs gets bit corrupted everytime
[23:06:28] <fyysik> 22:06:28 <fyysik>	2 nodes which shouldn't be
[23:07:09] <@Dr_Evil> my other book is alive
[23:07:17] <@Dr_Evil> I even configured Pe
[23:07:30] <@Dr_Evil> nox
[23:07:32] <@Dr_Evil> box
[23:07:55] <@Dr_Evil> well, the notebook is also alive, and runs zeta neo & SP & hfa WLAN driver
[23:09:16] <fyysik> that's weird, how crashing driver can corrupt bfs...
[23:09:32] <fyysik> if it isn't fs add-on
[23:10:09] <fyysik> or disk bus manager or such
[23:10:20] <@Dr_Evil> shared memory, and cache
[23:10:34] * Dr_Evil always corrupts his bfs when developing a new driver
[23:10:36] <fyysik> violation by wrong pointer?
[23:11:19] <fyysik> or bounds
[23:12:11] <MikeW> hmm, no protected memory?
[23:12:15] * fyysik eyes tired from safe mode display refresh rate
[23:12:23] <AnEvilYak> MikeW: not when you're a kernel module
[23:13:04] <Karina```> Rene!
[23:13:28] <fyysik> ok, no log printf this time, only dprintf and panic
[23:13:30] <fyysik> will see
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[23:22:14] <@Dr_Evil> Ouch, Pe uses a proportional Font as default when editing cpp files
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[23:26:47] <MikeW> eddie, isn't that a python editor?
[23:27:48] <slaad> Naw, general purpose editor for ... code.
[23:28:46] <tic> mhm.
[23:29:01] <tic> in fact, it's just recently got Python highlightning support.
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[23:36:58] <Karina```> just out of curiousity, do you guys expect the memory requirements for Haiku to be much different than Be R5?
[23:38:11] <@Dr_Evil> the memory is cheap already, but we are not wasting it
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[23:41:57] <Karina```> np, it was just me thinking about something outside the usual scope
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[23:47:43] <fyysik> hey hackers, is it possible to create permanent safe boot mode settings? (not in kernel settings file).
[23:48:08] <fyysik> it means if i go to SafeMode menu, some settings are already checked
[23:48:26] <fyysik> but haven't effect if i boot normally
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[23:53:48] <slaad> Don't think so. Just VESA mode.
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