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[02:09:06] <[Beta]> isnt this diff a little strange ? http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/open-beos/current/src/kernel/libroot/posix/unistd/link.c?r1=1.3&r2=1.4
[02:09:44] <[Beta]> axel changes around the parameters, but I havent seen a comit to swap the relevant _kern_* params
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[07:02:08] <Archlyric> mm can i get a link to dl haiku, i lost the link you guys gave me once
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[07:16:14] <Archlyric> anyone alive in here?
[07:16:16] <Archlyric> ever?
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[12:30:50] <fyysik> titer ?
[12:32:05] <dr_evil> morning Alan
[12:32:53] * fyysik rebuilded vlc again, but it is still pain in the ass for dev to work on separate modules
[12:33:33] <fyysik> dr_evil - can you point me again to updated SoundPlayer and Node downloads?
[12:47:18] <dr_evil> yes
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[12:47:26] <dr_evil> oops
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[13:32:44] <fyysik> !seen Korli
[13:32:54] <fyysik> ChanServ seen Korli
[13:40:21] <dr_evil> hi Fanskapet
[13:40:24] <dr_evil> err fyysik
[13:40:41] <dr_evil> fyysik
[13:40:51] <fyysik> hi dr_evil
[13:40:51] <dr_evil> that was bad:
[13:40:51] <dr_evil> [12:50] <dr_evil> yes
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[13:40:51] <dr_evil> [12:50] <dr_evil> oops
[13:41:12] <dr_evil> you still want the links?
[13:41:27] * fyysik wonders if some radiacal changes happened in emuxki driver and multiaudio add-on last time
[13:41:33] <fyysik> radical
[13:41:44] <fyysik> permanent problems here with emuxki:(
[13:42:21] <fyysik> dr_evil - first i should restore previous situation when i was sure that multichannel OUTPUT is really working
[13:43:52] <dr_evil> I dnot know of any changes
[13:44:15] <dr_evil> but here are the links
[13:44:17] <dr_evil> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/open-beos/current/src/kits/media/SoundPlayNode.cpp?rev=1.19
[13:44:26] <dr_evil> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/open-beos/current/src/kits/media/SoundPlayNode.h?rev=1.6
[13:44:34] <dr_evil> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/open-beos/current/src/kits/media/SoundPlayer.cpp?rev=1.15
[13:44:40] <dr_evil> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/open-beos/current/headers/os/media/SoundPlayer.h?rev=1.3
[13:44:51] <fyysik> at moment i see all 6 input channels (virtual?) in mixer when multichannel aufio is playing. but don't see rear channels in putput mapping table
[13:45:18] <dr_evil> must be a driver configuration issue
[13:45:28] <dr_evil> I can't help with that
[13:46:14] <fyysik> yeah, so i wish to ask Korli what should is see for AudioSettings->SudioOutput->Emuxki SBLive Channel - 0? 0/1 ? 1?
[13:46:43] <fyysik> ik>	i managed by removing some settings once to get proper results
[13:46:52] <fyysik> but cannot reproduce it anymore:(
[13:47:39] * fyysik bookmarked now dr_evil's links
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[13:49:23] <dr_evil> is there a emuxki settings file in home/(config/settings/kernel/drviers ?
[13:50:59] <fyysik> there was - 70 KB. trying to remove it now
[13:51:55] <fyysik> reboot for curiosity
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[14:05:13] <dr_evil> oh 70 Kb is huuuge
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[14:07:46] <dr_evil> fyysik does it work now?
[14:08:50] <fyysik> heh, only thing i managed to do - totally switch out front channels. and cannot get back those
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[14:12:12] <fyysik> dr_evil - do i definitely need jam and new ld to compile those haiku drivers like emuxki? and multiaudio add-on?
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[14:14:48] <dr_evil> don't know
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[15:19:44] <tic> tja badonaway
[15:19:48] <tic> err, bogomipz
[15:20:01] <bogomipz> ?
[15:20:12] <bogomipz> sup?
[15:20:15] <tic> tja as in "tjenare" as in "hi" :)
[15:20:26] <tic> not much. getting myself some food. enjoying the my free day. :)  You?
[15:20:40] <tic> s/free day/day off
[15:21:58] <bogomipz> (: hehe, i don't speek swedish well enough to see right away that tja is tjenare
[15:22:52] * bogomipz has a full schedule for the holidays
[15:28:40] <tic> oh?
[15:28:46] <tic> what else do you have to do?
[15:28:48] <tic> xmas is over. ;)
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[15:42:42] <fyysik> dr_evil - do you remember haiku build factory URL? haiku-os.org seems down
[15:43:25] <fyysik> spmething about gravity.org ?
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[15:44:39] <mmadia> somewhere on  gravity24hr.com   -- the preference team page.
[15:45:59] <mmadia> ... which also seems to be offline
[15:46:54] <fyysik> mmadia - maybe you do have some later multiaudio add-on and emuxki add-on?
[15:47:34] <mmadia> ill check  -- gotta  boot up.
[15:47:51] <fyysik> which soundcard you use with BeOS, mmadia ?
[15:48:24] <mmadia> onboard via 686b  -- auvia driver.
[15:49:35] <mmadia> bbiam
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[15:54:10] <fyysik> mmadia - are you using Korli-s auvia driver?
[15:54:18] <mmadia> fyysik i've a nov 13 auvia-cvs.zip
[15:54:45] <fyysik> mmadia - nice. Do you have some DVDs or AC3 AVIs at home?
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[15:55:14] <mmadia> adia>	a dvd drive will be installed later this week.   im not sure about ac3's
[15:55:49] <fyysik> usually AC3 coded are those which fir to 2CD. according to my experience
[15:56:02] <fyysik> A52
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[15:57:43] <fyysik> mmadia - i have latest VLC with real multichannel sound (5.1) to test
[15:57:56] <fyysik> emuxki here is KDL-ing my system
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[15:58:03] <mmadia> i've no idea what you're talking about. :)   i dont follow encoding codecs, as my connection is only 56k.
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[15:58:50] <fyysik> see, some AVIs are encoded with full 5+1 sound like in cinemas or home theaters
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[15:59:17] <fyysik> but yeah, 56K sucs for movie hunt:)
[15:59:20] <mmadia> would i need one of those 5+1 encoded avi's to test it out?
[16:00:43] <fyysik> so looking for someone who uses atm emuxki or auvia drivers and has DVD or some other multichannel media
[16:01:54] <mmadia> hmmm..  i'll bbiab... maybe w/dvd player.
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[16:11:19] <mmadia> fyysik dvd player installed,  princess mononoke running in VLC, audio is very choppy.
[16:11:26] <mmadia> A52 audio.
[16:13:48] <fyysik> ok. if i upload multichannel VLC (5 MB) - can you test it? (if you have rear speakers too)
[16:14:17] <mmadia> oh... no surround sound system.   i can check if it crashes though :)
[16:14:18] <fyysik> standard VLC don't support multichannel sound
[16:14:23] <fyysik> heh
[16:14:29] <fyysik> ik>	i think it don't
[16:15:10] <fyysik> that's weird. seema no one at beshare at moment interested in surround sound in BeOS. Holidays
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[16:47:51] <stippi> mmadia: Did you get a copy of this multichannel version of VLC?
[16:48:09] <stippi> titer: You here?
[16:48:14] <mmadia> no, as i dont have a multia channel audio card.
[16:48:30] <mmadia> fyysik is still on beshare.TycomSystems.com if you want to ask him for it.
[16:48:42] <stippi> mmadia: I mean if you got the version that fyysik was trying to send you.
[16:49:06] <mmadia> stippi  oh, no.
[16:49:09] <stippi> I went there, but didn't see him
[16:49:22] <stippi> is he using a different nick?
[16:50:18] <mmadia> ia>	i didnt notice him log off.
[16:50:23] <stippi> np
[16:50:24] <mmadia> [@688] (2561) fyysik: http://beos.spb.ru/fyysik/vlc-0.8.2-svn-BeOS-surround_sound_fyysik.zip - requires emuxki or auvia
[16:50:30] <stippi> yeah
[16:51:05] <stippi> last time I checked, VLC was in no condition at all. Eric must have worked on it again.
[16:51:27] <stippi> He told me he was going to, but I didn't know how far he had gotten.
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[16:54:05] <@voidref> DaaT
[16:54:12] <DaaT> voidref
[16:54:18] <@voidref> hey, how's that driver?
[16:54:36] <DaaT> haven't tried it yet :)
[16:54:53] <@voidref> well, get on with the trying!
[16:55:05] <DaaT> yes sir!
[16:55:06] <DaaT> :)
[16:55:09] <@voidref> hhehe
[16:55:27] <@voidref> it's making a worly of difference on my new machine here!
[16:55:37] <DaaT> great,
[16:55:41] <@voidref> world
[16:55:51] <@voidref> vesa mode si teh un-l33t
[16:56:05] <DaaT> :)
[16:56:08] <fyysik> http://beos.spb.ru/fyysik/vlc-0.8.2-svn-BeOS-surround_sound_fyysik.zip - for emuxki and auvia users
[16:56:28] <fyysik> need someone with working driver to test
[16:56:46] <fyysik> my emuxki crashes or maps all together
[16:56:50] <@voidref> hmm, I only have ac_97
[16:56:57] <DaaT> not here fyysik, sorry
[16:56:57] <@voidref> and we all know how that driver is
[16:57:22] <tic> hey guys, I have a little thread design problem.  Anyone got time=
[16:57:22] <tic> ?
[16:57:25] <fyysik> voidref - heh. it worked all for me 6 months ago:)
[16:57:37] <@voidref> fyysik, even recording?
[16:57:41] <@voidref> tic, whatcha need?
[16:57:56] <tic> voidref, I'll explain:
[16:58:29] <@voidref> no, dont' explain, just send me positive energy waves to my cerebral cortex.
[16:58:32] <tic> I have a button named Start and one button named Stop, and one Thread.  When pressing Start, the Thread should start producing data and feed it to somewhere, and when pressing Stop, Thread should stop producing.
[16:58:33] <tic> Hehe.
[16:59:00] <@voidref> the thread loops, ja?
[16:59:03] <tic> yeah.
[16:59:48] <tic> while(!mAppIsQuitting) { while(!mQueryRunning && !mAppIsQuitting) sleep(1);  while(mQueryRunning) generateResults(); mQueryRunning=false; }
[16:59:49] <@voidref> well, there's the way where you use signals, which I'm not too fond of...
[17:00:06] <tic> This scheme is obviously not very nice. :)
[17:00:11] <@voidref> ok, try this.
[17:00:16] <@voidref> make a looper class
[17:00:24] <@voidref> which responds to a start message.
[17:00:52] <@voidref> and has a member and settter/getter as a sentry variable.
[17:01:08] <@voidref> will there be multiple threads accessing the start/stop?
[17:01:21] <tic> nope, only one.
[17:01:24] <@voidref> ok
[17:01:54] <@voidref> so, have your looper have an fOperate member or whatever
[17:01:56] <tic> What I was thinking was to use a semaphore (I've used them before), but without having a boolean global variable.
[17:01:57] <tic> yeah.
[17:02:21] <@voidref> the looper responds to a message to start, and calls the loop function.
[17:02:21] <tic> Hm, might try that.  Was thinking I could just use a raw thread and a semaphore, but it seems I always need to have a boolean around.
[17:02:26] <tic> Yup yup.
[17:02:40] <@voidref> the function loops on while(true == fOperate { do loopy styuff }
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[17:02:56] <tic> Mhm.
[17:03:09] <@voidref> the other object will hold a pointer and use StopOperatring() method
[17:03:15] <@voidref> which will set fOperate to false
[17:03:16] <tic> mhm.
[17:03:20] <tic> I'm following you.
[17:03:23] <@voidref> which causes the method to exit
[17:03:31] <@voidref> and the looper to start waiting for new start messages.
[17:03:41] <tic> Mhm.  Thanks for the help!
[17:03:46] <tic> I think I'll manage now. :)
[17:03:49] <@voidref> ok
[17:03:57] <tic> by the way.. how was the holidays?
[17:04:02] <@voidref> good
[17:04:05] <tic> that's nice
[17:04:16] <@voidref> well, as good as holidays can be with dealing with inlaws!
[17:04:18] <@voidref> hehe
[17:04:35] <tic> That bad? :)
[17:04:43] <tic> I actually enjoy my inlaws, or uhm, the gf's parents.
[17:05:44] * DaaT wonders if voidref's inlaws are like in the movie with deNiro
[17:05:52] <tic> voidref, did you see the J2SE demo, by the way?
[17:06:49] <@voidref> I did, but sound didn't work on my machine for it.
[17:07:11] <tic> ouchie.  'twas the cotton squares in the background.
[17:07:15] <@voidref> what does SE stand for?
[17:07:20] <tic> standard edition.
[17:07:23] <@voidref> ah
[17:07:35] <@voidref> is that more or less than EE
[17:07:41] <@voidref> (is there an EE) ?
[17:07:46] <ShackaN> sure
[17:07:51] <ShackaN> enterprise edition
[17:07:53] <tic> the stuff regular people are using. EE is the Enterprise Edition w/ packages (modules? can't remember) for servlets and that kind of crap. jsp, methink.
[17:08:20] <tic> so anyway, it's _terribly_ exciting.
[17:08:27] <tic> not that I use Java, but it's cool to have.
[17:08:31] <tic> Maybe I could start using Jython. :P
[17:08:49] <@voidref> hha
[17:08:56] <@voidref> or just Eclipse
[17:09:01] <@voidref> that's written in java, right?
[17:09:03] <ShackaN> wait a moment
[17:09:03] <tic> think so.
[17:09:09] <tic> but Jython is Python-in-Java.
[17:09:14] <ShackaN> java on beos?
[17:09:15] <tic> so you're comparing apples to bananas
[17:09:17] <tic> ShackaN, indeed.
[17:09:32] <tic> (or pears to oranges, if you wish.)
[17:09:40] <@voidref> when is it going to be releaseed into the wild?
[17:10:03] <tic> Heh, you should know; according to the yT PRs you're in a joint venture w/ BU to develop the port... ;)
[17:10:31] <tic> seriously however, according to Bryan, SUN doesn't want to start doing testing until they have a working Swing app, i.e., the Swing demo, because it requires a stable JVM, AWT and Java2D.
[17:10:37] <ShackaN> yT is developing a beos port of java?
[17:10:40] <tic> so it seems it's soon time to start the Java testing.
[17:10:43] <tic> ShackaN, no, BeUnited.org are.
[17:10:49] <tic> ShackaN, bryan.varnernet.com
[17:12:26] <ShackaN> oh oh oh, the screenshots are cool
[17:12:29] <fyysik> got it
[17:12:56] * fyysik is enjoying Fifth Element in Surround Sound under BeOS
[17:13:14] <ShackaN> fyysik, 5.1 ?
[17:13:14] <fyysik> moved MediaServer start in VERY END of BootScript
[17:13:18] <fyysik> 5.1 yeah
[17:13:19] <mmadia> congrats fyysik!
[17:13:26] <ShackaN> wooow
[17:13:41] <fyysik> and emuxki don't crash anymore when MediaServer is last component to start
[17:13:47] <ShackaN> have the haiku kernel compilation issues been fixed ?
[17:14:10] <fyysik> ShackaN - if you use emuxki or auvia - you can enjoy it too:)
[17:14:20] <tic> fyysik, SbLive! ?
[17:14:24] <ShackaN> fyysik, but I don't have 5.1 :(
[17:15:16] <ShackaN> so, where you able to compile the haiku kernel or not ?
[17:15:19] <fyysik> tic - yup
[17:15:42] <ShackaN> s/where/were
[17:16:11] <tic> fyysik, nifty.  We can start building media boxes w/ BeOS.  Do all kinds of videos play on VLC or similar yet?
[17:16:14] <tic> fyysik, as well as DVDs?
[17:16:18] <tic> (w/ subs)
[17:16:41] <fyysik> tic - it has problems with real media and SOME of quicktime sounds
[17:16:48] <fyysik> RealMedia
[17:16:58] <fyysik> DVD is 100% ok
[17:18:08] <@voidref> are auvia and emuxki cards still sold?
[17:18:22] <fyysik> emuxki == Audigy 2 too
[17:18:41] <fyysik> and auvia is still used in lot of motherboards
[17:19:18] <@voidref> Dane is looking for a supported card he can buy for his Tune Tracker systems, I believe
[17:19:20] <tic> how about sub titles?`
[17:19:27] <fyysik> but we have Dr_evil who may add multichannel support one nice day to Intel Audio
[17:19:29] <tic> voidref, the SbLive! would be the best bet, I think they're still sold.
[17:19:43] <fyysik> tic - at least in DVD - no problem with subtitles
[17:19:50] <@voidref> what chipset is that?
[17:19:56] <tic> voidref, emu10k
[17:19:59] <@voidref> ah
[17:20:04] <tic> voidref, funny you should mention Dane, the question I asked you was related to a TT app :)
[17:20:14] <fyysik> 10k1 and 10k2 are both supported
[17:20:15] <@voidref> haha
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[17:21:28] <tic> voidref, the question I asked you wasn't representive of my coding abilities, mind you. It felt really lame to ask that. :)
[17:21:35] <fyysik> hi Begasus - do you have emuxki or auvia cards/drivers installed?:)
[17:22:03] <Begasus> clean drivers from yT here at the laptop fyysik
[17:22:09] <fyysik> ahh
[17:22:21] <Begasus> so no additional drivers installed
[17:22:30] <tic> speaking of drivers; anyone know of the IDE replacement drivers?
[17:22:36] <fyysik> hardly laptop has rear-speaker output, even with sb or via sound
[17:22:44] <tic> the current ones won't let me reboot; KDLs on shutdown -r
[17:22:55] <fyysik> "clean drivers from yT" - nonsense
[17:23:06] <Begasus> well you know what I mean ;)
[17:23:12] <fyysik> except usb
[17:23:37] <Begasus> only to mention that no other drivers are installed
[17:23:40] <@voidref> tic. there were some really bad IDE repl drivers that came out with Neo, if you really want to use some, grab the ones off bebits
[17:23:54] <tic> voidref, I'm using the BeBits one; I don't run Neo.
[17:24:15] <@voidref> ah, well, you'll need to talk to Thomas
[17:24:16] <tic> voidref, I'll probably get the release after Neo, if m_eiman's install is anything to judge from.. Sorry :/
[17:24:18] <tic> Yup.
[17:24:42] <tic> Last I talked to m_eiman, Thomas was on vacation (he's responsible for the ATI driver, which m_eiman has in his laptop)
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[17:24:47] <tic> ahh, the wonders of small-world networks. :)
[17:25:00] <@voidref> tic, it seems to vary wildly from one system to the next.
[17:25:35] <tic> voidref, *nod*  As I've only seen m_eiman's Neo system "live", I can basically only judge from that. I've seen on the 'net that others' systems are running splendid, however.
[17:25:58] <@voidref> what is m_eiman's problem?
[17:27:44] <tic> a bunch of stuff.  It _might_ be hardware-related, though.  I can't remember the exact details, unfortunately.  He gets back in a couple of hours, might want to talk to him about it? Perhaps easier to fix it.   Other than his specific Neo issues, I'm still a bit reserved against apps getting installed even though I didn't specify I wanted to install them, and apps not getting installed even though I've selected them, .... stu
[17:27:45] <tic> that.
[17:29:03] <tic> But, I guess that's the price you have to pay to get a system adapted to the large masses as opposed to the power users who want a clean system and would rather install their own apps.
[17:29:06] <@voidref> ah, custom installs
[17:29:38] <tic> Yeah, the Installer app. So that's not an issue specific to Neo.
[17:29:43] <@voidref> that segment has not gotten a lot of work devoted to it.
[17:29:48] <tic> Mhm, I can tell.. ,)
[17:30:00] <@voidref> seems less important than a lot of other more important things
[17:30:07] <@voidref> hmm, tautaologyu
[17:30:18] <tic> why's that?
[17:30:23] <tic> Yeah. :P
[17:30:26] <tic> hehe.
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[17:30:37] <@voidref> a tautology is basicially saying "an apple is an apple"
[17:30:38] <@voidref> hehe
[17:30:39] <tic> p less important than q which is more important, then p -> q is always true.
[17:30:40] <tic> mhm.
[17:30:56] <tic> (or however those rules go, ... I should ask m_eiman, he's taken a bunch of classes on algebra and logic. :)
[17:31:03] <@voidref> haa
[17:31:13] <tic> Mind sharing the parts that are top prio? ;)
[17:32:45] <tic> Somehow, I'm not very compelled to install Zeta yet, I've got this picture in my head that the cons outweights the pros. Hrm..
[17:33:18] <tic> Are you guys working on the holidays too?
[17:33:19] <@voidref> eh, that's cool
[17:33:23] <@voidref> trying not to
[17:33:32] <tic> what's cool?
[17:33:32] <@voidref> but I did do a fix to the Radeon driver.
[17:33:42] <@voidref> it's cool if you don't want to install it.
[17:33:51] <tic> Ah.
[17:34:11] <tic> eventually, I'll probably install it. Like, when I get a more stable system so I can't blame Zeta for the defincies(sp?)
[17:34:21] <@voidref> haha
[17:34:25] <tic> 'cause this system, like I said, will KDL on shutdown and stuff like that.
[17:34:27] <@voidref> your system is unstable?
[17:34:37] <tic> well.. not really, not when it's running.
[17:34:39] <@voidref> well, I don't trust the IDE replacement driver.
[17:34:47] <tic> I have no option, unfortunately.
[17:34:52] <@voidref> what ethernet card are you using?
[17:34:54] <tic> 3c905
[17:35:02] <tic> after a week, networking dies.
[17:35:08] <tic> and then I need to restart.  And then it KDLs.
[17:35:14] <@voidref> the ipro1000 driver from haiku causes random KDL in the idle_loop
[17:35:17] <tic> ah.
[17:35:33] <@voidref> yea, I have NEVER seen a beos system with solid networking
[17:35:34] <fyysik> tic - i think for developers cons are larger. If you intend your apps run not only under Zeta. Special care required, afaik
[17:35:38] <tic> there's something wrong with the soft cursor in my g400 as well.
[17:35:49] <tic> fyysik, exactly.. I'm a developer.
[17:36:15] <fyysik> not problems with networking here, with very various NICs
[17:36:23] <tic> if I connect my disk (a 2.5" laptop disk) to the built-in IDE port (not the hpt366 ones), BeOS fails to boot.
[17:36:28] <tic> I need to connect it to a Promise 100TX2
[17:36:37] <tic> and _that_ one only works w/ the IDE replacement driver, sadly. :|
[17:36:48] <tic> (the 100TX2 was the only one available).
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[17:40:48] <trasnam> fyysik, do i need a special driver to try out the surround sound with auvia?
[17:41:00] <trasnam> asnam>	as in, like the latest from haiku cvs
[17:41:00] <tic> voidref, can I boot Zeta off a USB2 CD/disk? Or is that BIOS-dependant, generally?
[17:41:34] <fyysik> if you use auvia driver with haiku multiaudio add on and haiku mixer and all works - nothing more needed
[17:41:52] <trasnam> i'm currently using whatever comes with zeta neo
[17:42:03] <trasnam> and i only get stereo sound out
[17:42:19] <fyysik> does it uses auvia driver made by Korli?
[17:42:24] <fyysik> use
[17:42:48] <fyysik> trasnam - downloaded that VLC buld?
[17:42:49] <trasnam> i'm not really sure
[17:42:55] <trasnam> yeah, got that vlc build
[17:43:12] <trasnam> guess i'll try reinstalling haiku drivers and see what happens
[17:43:24] <trasnam> i'd know for sure if i didn't hose my R5 install the other week
[17:43:49] <fyysik> look, if you use proper mixer and multiadio add-on, you will see 4 or 6 sliders in MediaSettings GainControl, if multichannel sound source is playing
[17:44:19] <fyysik> unfortunately Korli is not here today:(
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[17:44:31] <fyysik> as i never tried just auvia driver with that VLC
[17:45:13] <eazel7> hi ppl
[17:45:15] <eazel7> merry xmas
[17:45:21] <trasnam> k, i'm rebooting now
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[17:45:25] <fyysik> trans - in any case you'll play with media settings
[17:45:37] <fyysik> like switching to 4.0 or 5.1 mode
[17:45:44] <fyysik> in Setup
[17:45:56] <trasnam> ok
[17:47:05] <eazel7> where can I get upto date about haiku?
[17:47:12] <eazel7> where can I read news?
[17:48:36] <tic> haiku-os.org if it were up.  it's temporarily down.
[17:48:39] <tic> (hardware issue.)
[17:48:44] <tic> or, check the change list on SF.
[17:49:02] <tic> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/OpenBeOS
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[17:52:55] <tic> Anyone talked to the www.haiku.org people about buying the domain back?
[17:52:57] <tic> clear
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[17:57:22] <eazel7> thanks
[17:57:36] <eazel7> wasn't it a hardware issue?
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[18:18:32] <DaaT> eh, very cool Bryans's java2d video
[18:18:46] <tic> yeah, isn't it?
[18:18:54] <DaaT> yep
[18:19:02] <DaaT> he could be in showbiz ;)
[18:20:23] <mmadia> DaaT any chance of hosting a "BU.org and H-OS.org websites are having webhosting server issues. they are aware and working to fix the matter. thanks for you patience."   and have  beunited.org and haiku-os.org redirect to it ?
[18:20:41] <DaaT> have them redirect to it?
[18:21:06] <mmadia> yes.  by temporarily changing their DNS servers,  i guess.
[18:21:27] <DaaT> ah, nm
[18:21:39] <DaaT> sure i can post it, they'd have to work on the redirection though
[18:22:31] <mmadia> iirc, mphipps said they were looking into switching providers.
[18:23:13] <DaaT> good idea
[18:26:34] <DaaT> they should have done that long ago
[18:26:47] <tic> grbl..
[18:27:07] <mmadia> eh.   if it works, then we'll know for next time :-)
[18:27:12] <dr_evil> the problem with free hosting. sometimed you gat what you pay for. nothing...
[18:27:14] <tic> I need some locking help again :|
[18:27:15] <tic> http://rafb.net/paste/results/AGN31j73.html
[18:27:31] <tic> I can't wrap my head around it.
[18:28:31] <DaaT> exactly dr_evil
[18:31:04] <tic> Hm, think I've solved it..
[18:32:41] <fyysik> stippi ?
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[18:58:47] <tic> voidref, around? http://mikael.jansson.be/post/2004/12/26/locking-for-dummies
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[19:03:54] <stippi> fyysik?
[19:04:10] <fyysik> here
[19:04:27] <fyysik> trying to force VLC to read  vcd from raw device
[19:06:26] <dr_evil> hi stippi
[19:07:14] <fyysik> anyway, i have only 2VCDs and have no intention to purchase any more
[19:07:20] <fyysik> dead end
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[19:15:47] <tic> moo!
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[19:29:18] <fyysik> hi Konrad
[19:29:34] <Konrad> Hi fyysik
[19:30:22] <fyysik> which sound chipset do you use in BeOS?
[19:30:35] * tic uses a SB32PnP ISA. :)
[19:30:41] <Konrad> Iam using ac97 on all my computers
[19:30:44] <fyysik> hehe, tic
[19:30:53] <fyysik> ol gud SB
[19:31:00] <tic> yeah, the first sound card I ever had.
[19:31:13] <fyysik> Konrad AC97==means nothing:)
[19:31:14] <tic> I'm thinking of getting myself another, but I don't really use it for anything important.
[19:31:37] <fyysik> via AC97, trident AC97? IntelAC97?
[19:33:16] <Konrad> fyysik nforce2 (mb), and the other is a SoundMax or something
[19:33:45] <fyysik> SoundMax also means nothing:) What MediaPreferences show you for AudioOutput?
[19:34:09] <fyysik> and nforce2 aslo means nothing
[19:34:35] 
[19:35:00] <fyysik> heh, so you aren't tester for my case
[19:35:05] <Konrad> fyysik ich?
[19:35:13] <fyysik> http://beos.spb.ru/fyysik/vlc-0.8.2-svn-BeOS-surround_sound_fyysik.zip - Surround Sound in BeOs for emuxki and via driver users
[19:35:20] <fyysik> auvia
[19:35:29] <Konrad> fyysik I only have 2 speakers.. so Iam a bad tester
[19:35:43] <fyysik> heh, BeOS people are so modest:)
[19:37:27] <Konrad> surround.. nice work fyysik
[19:37:49] <Konrad> I havent tried it, but Iam sure there are people other than me with the right hardware that will thank you...
[19:37:53] <eazel7> some of these days I'm gonna compile haiku here to see where we are, and what can I do to have it earlier running in my desktop, I am completly egoist, but it would be useful to many, isn't that the way?
[19:37:58] <fyysik> heh, it seems i'm only tester atm though:)
[19:43:04] <Konrad> fyysik are there any other patches than sound?
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[19:48:24] <fyysik> Konrad - not this time. It just works. Tried gcc 2.953  first time for VLC building
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[19:48:40] <Konrad> So it got better optimizations or
[19:48:41] <Konrad> ?
[19:48:42] <fyysik> and decided to add that old feature
[19:49:01] <fyysik> DVD menus are woring nicely
[19:49:19] <fyysik> away
[19:49:21] <fyysik> bbl
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[21:13:54] <DaaT> hi begasus
[21:14:03] <Begasus> hi DaaT
[21:14:08] <Begasus> long time no see ;)
[21:14:13] <Begasus> how are you doing?
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[21:14:38] <Begasus> btw a quick merry x-mas to the lot ;)
[21:15:15] <DaaT> i'm ok thx
[21:15:17] <DaaT> and to you too
[21:15:21] <Begasus> fine thnx ;)
[21:15:44] <Konrad> Hi DaaT
[21:15:48] <DaaT> hey Konrad :)
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[21:15:57] <Begasus> hi Konrad
[21:16:02] <Konrad> Noticed the java thingie? Its probably newsworthy
[21:16:14] <Konrad> Hi Begasus
[21:16:25] <Begasus> at haikunews Konrad?
[21:16:43] <DaaT> i did yeah
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[21:16:48] <DaaT> saw the video, looks cool
[21:16:53] <Konrad> Indeed
[21:17:04] <Konrad> Begasus I read his blog
[21:17:13] <Konrad> He is showing two yahoo games
[21:17:39] <Begasus> seen the movie .. great work ;)
[21:18:37] <DaaT> man, that whole thing in southeast asia... damn...
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[22:19:04] <RageMax> what's been going on with the website?
[22:19:59] <jonaskirilla> hardware failure according to the Java interview on Haiku News
[22:20:23] <TuneTracker> jonaskirilla hey there
[22:20:41] <jonaskirilla> hi TuneTracker
[22:20:54] <TuneTracker> jonaskirilla did you get that little "newsletter" I sent to programmers?
[22:21:04] <jonaskirilla> TuneTracker: yes I did
[22:21:13] <TuneTracker> interesting, huh?
[22:21:24] <jonaskirilla> TuneTracker: you've got a lot going on
[22:21:38] <TuneTracker> jonaskirilla :-) it's so fun
[22:21:50] <DaaT> TuneTracker!
[22:22:11] <jonaskirilla> TuneTracker: I can imagine that :)
[22:22:13] <TuneTracker> jonaskirilla Sometime, when things quet down for you a bit, I'd like to talk to you again about the index-setting GUI we had discussed earlier.
[22:22:17] <TuneTracker> DaaT!
[22:22:22] <TuneTracker> DaaT long time!
[22:22:58] <DaaT> yeah :)
[22:23:04] <DaaT> how's it going?
[22:23:49] <TuneTracker> DaaT good!  Did you have a nice Christmas?
[22:25:04] <DaaT> don't pay much attention to it, but it was good, nice and quiet, with my parents
[22:25:04] <DaaT> you?
[22:25:32] <TuneTracker> DaaT We're big CHristmas celebraters, so there was lots of singing, praying, talking and eating...and presents of course.
[22:26:19] <DaaT> cool, sounds like a fun evening
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[22:28:06] <TuneTracker> DaaT three days of it!  :-)
[22:28:29] <TuneTracker> We did Dec 23,24, and 25 this year.
[22:28:36] <TuneTracker> oops, gotta go.
[22:28:40] <TuneTracker> ttyl!
[22:28:43] <Begasus> later TuneTracker
[22:28:44] * TuneTracker out
[22:29:53] <DaaT> c 26 21:29:53 <DaaT>	c ya :)
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[22:55:45] <DaaT> hi ConneX
[22:56:01] <ConneX> hi :)
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[23:08:57] <DaaT> hey slaad
[23:09:03] <slaad> DaaT *nods*
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[23:36:09] <slaad> So, anyone have suggestions for 4+ USB KVMs? Needs to allow switching with hotkeys. And preferrably OSD on switch.
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[23:45:42] <DaaT> someone here has bme compiled?
[23:45:57] <slaad> ...
[23:46:01] <slaad> What do you want to use that for?
[23:46:13] <slaad> Bow to the borg...erm... IM Kit!
[23:47:07] <DaaT> no people files here, empty
[23:47:27] <slaad> It'll make them for you.
[23:47:31] <DaaT> eh
[23:47:36] <slaad> Once you get it setup, it's tres nice.
[23:47:39] <DaaT> also, i'd like to try Bme
[23:47:42] <DaaT> ok
[23:47:46] <slaad> DO IT OR I'LL REMOVE YOUR LIMBS!
[23:47:59] <slaad> But, I'm probably a whee bit biased :)
[23:48:05] * DaaT sticks his tongue out at slaad
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[23:50:46] <Karat3> hi
[23:51:17] <Karat3> anyone here?
[23:51:20] <DaaT> hi
[23:51:20] <slaad> Nope!
[23:51:22] <slaad> We're hiding!
[23:51:39] <Karat3> are you all developers?
[23:52:12] <slaad> I am. Not for Haiku though.
[23:52:20] <Karat3> oh
[23:52:22] <Karat3> why not?
[23:52:22] <DaaT> not me
[23:52:40] <Karat3> what do you develop?
[23:52:43] <slaad> I have no interest in PC OS development.
[23:52:52] <slaad> Apps, Karat3. And the occasional driver.
[23:52:56] <Karat3> when do you expect the haiku os to be complete?
[23:53:09] <slaad> When it's done.
[23:53:14] <DaaT> speaking of which, slaad, anyone reported about your driver and logitech's MX1000?
[23:53:17] <Karat3> that means?
[23:53:20] <slaad> Twice as long as a piece of string is from the center to the end!
[23:53:25] <slaad> What about them, DaaT?
[23:53:40] <DaaT> just wondering if they're working under Zeta
[23:53:43] <DaaT> thinking of buying one
[23:54:08] <slaad> Ahh, nah, the drivers don't work at all under Zeta.
[23:54:11] <slaad> Should just be a recompile...
[23:54:17] <slaad> Which I really should do as I use Zeta.
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[23:54:42] <DaaT> though with the usb stack, it should work
[23:54:47] <DaaT> hey BryanV, cool video :)
[23:55:03] <slaad> It'll work as a USB1.0 Mice, DaaT.
[23:55:09] <slaad> So, three buttons and scroll.
[23:55:09] <DaaT> k
[23:55:12] <DaaT> thx
[23:55:24] <DaaT> so it's up to you to make the other buttons work ;)
[23:55:25] <BryanV> DaaT - uh, thanks?
[23:55:27] <BryanV> :-)
[23:55:41] <slaad> The Logitech stuff is all crazy, DaaT.
[23:56:03] <DaaT> BryanV :)
[23:56:06] <slaad> It's like "Hi! I have a maxpackets of 10! But uh... here's 4 bytes, like any other mice"
[23:56:06] <DaaT> slaad, gotcha
[23:56:17] <DaaT> eh, fun
[23:56:19] <slaad> And without having one on me, it's tres hard to work out.
[23:56:31] <slaad> If you want put some money together and buy me one, I'll add support :P
[23:56:37] <DaaT> now, for Thomas to get back from vacation
[23:56:47] <DaaT> suuuuure i will ;)
[23:57:17] <slaad> Well, I mean, there's been about 10 people asking. Chip in, what, $10us each?
[23:59:12] <Karat3> is firefox ported to openbeos?
[23:59:40] <DaaT> slaad, the mouse's cheap, buy it you scrooge
[23:59:41] <DaaT> :)





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