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[00:09:42] <Dr3w-PPC> -grrrrr
[00:10:23] <frozenet> what's the problem you have?
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[01:00:20] <Hummin> rudolf is sick!
[01:00:25] <Hummin> and axel is too!
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[01:01:16] <frozenet> why's axel sick?
[01:01:21] <frozenet> he looked like a pretty nice person to me
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[01:04:01] <Hummin> not sick!.. *sick* sick
[01:04:03] <Hummin> =)
[01:04:05] <Hummin> crazy
[01:04:19] <Hummin> btw.. you can be nice and still sick.. in that sense
[01:04:32] <frozenet> uh
[01:04:35] <frozenet> let's not get into that.
[01:04:53] <Hummin> hehe
[01:05:18] <Hummin> anyways.. rudolf seems to be goin crazy with the 3d hw stuf
[01:05:18] <Hummin> f
[01:05:22] <Hummin> for nvidia, I guess
[01:05:39] <Hummin> what else is happening ?
[01:06:15] <frozenet> he works for nvideo?
[01:06:23] <frozenet> s/nvideo/nvidia
[01:06:33] <Hummin> I don't think so ?
[01:06:45] <Hummin> he's just doin driver for nvidia cards
[01:06:46] <frozenet> oh
[01:06:48] <Hummin> not *just'
[01:06:49] <Hummin> *
[01:06:49] <Hummin> but
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[01:30:45] <Dr3w-x86> Heh!
[01:30:47] <Dr3w-x86> I am on BeOS/x86
[01:30:51] <Dr3w-x86> FireFox doesn't work.
[01:30:54] <frozenet> congrats
[01:30:58] <frozenet> firefox is hard to get woroking
[01:31:01] <frozenet> working
[01:31:29] <Dr3w-x86> Downloaded it, tried that empty profile.
[01:31:32] <Dr3w-x86> doesn't work.
[01:32:14] <frozenet> try downloading another version...
[01:32:19] <frozenet> they got like 10 of them floating around
[01:32:25] <frozenet> one of them works though...
[01:37:59] <Kernel86> Dr3w-x86: look for a package of 1.0 someone put out, that's the first one that worked for me
[01:38:27] <Kernel86> otherwise Firebird usually works
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[01:40:09] <Kernel86> hmm, look for MozillaFirefox-10-d4-upd-bone.pkg on BeShare or if you have an ftp i'd be happy to upload it
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[01:41:53] <Dr3w-x86> I am net_server :)
[01:43:51] * Kernel86 wonders if there was a net_server package to but doesn't know...
[01:44:16] <frozenet> how's haiku's net_server coming along anyways?
[01:44:29] <Kernel86> maybe check BeShare for the same thing but fer net_server? :P
[01:45:14] <frozenet> i doubt anyone compiled it for net_server
[01:45:19] <frozenet> it's so hard to find stuff for net_server
[01:45:46] <Dr3w-x86> How are people using BONE? Thats only in Zeta...
[01:46:20] <Kernel86> try this one, it's not the package tho but is the same as the packge but for net_server http://linux.inf.elte.hu/ftp/beos/applications/net/firefox/
[01:46:42] <frozenet> lol
[01:46:45] <Kernel86> Zeta RC3 was slow as shit on my PII 300
[01:46:52] <frozenet> Dr3w-x86, we get it from BeShare
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[01:48:00] <Dr3w-x86> Hey Bryan!
[01:48:13] <BryanV> hey
[01:48:28] <Kernel86> even browsing the menus was a pain :(
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[01:55:58] <TuneTracker> hi all...
[01:56:04] <frozenet> hi
[01:56:09] <TuneTracker> Hey everybody... I've been working  on a bunch special Christmas programming on BeOSRADIO.  Hope you can tune in.  There are half-hour and one-hour-long custom-produced radio shows, and when those aren't running, there's 24 hour Christmas music.  It's happening both Christmas Eve and Christmas day.  Hope everybody will tune in for at least some of it if they can!
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[01:57:57] <frozenet> ?
[01:58:06] <frozenet> where is "BeOSRADIO"?
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[02:16:55] <emuflame> sup ppl
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[02:53:28] <brennanOS> anybody here?
[02:54:19] <MikeW> fraid not
[02:54:47] <dipp> nope
[02:55:17] <brennanOS> have either of you used X11 on BeOS?
[02:55:44] <emuflame> i know i havent
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[02:56:37] <brennanOS> well, you cant ssh into a remote machine using it, which makes it pretty worthless
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[03:02:22] <brennanOS> MikeW: what have you been up to?  You didn't rob that bank did you?
[03:02:36] <MikeW> :P
[03:02:44] <MikeW> isn't that the BIGGEST IN THE WORLD?
[03:03:33] <MikeW> *sigh*, if only MYOB was alive to discuss this issue in here
[03:04:55] <MikeW> alas, hes stuck in limbo, behind the government VPN and too lazy to find a cgiirc
[03:05:44] <brennanOS> heh
[03:05:54] <brennanOS> I am officially laid off myself
[03:06:02] <brennanOS> maybe Ill code on Haiku for awhile
[03:06:04] <brennanOS> maybe
[03:06:09] <dipp> :)
[03:06:10] <MikeW> :)
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[03:08:05] <dipp> MikeW: do you know who hosts the website?
[03:08:21] <MikeW> what website?
[03:08:31] <dipp> haiku-os.org
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[03:09:04] <dipp> It's been down for over a week now...
[03:09:40] <mphipps1> dipp - I found out last night.
[03:10:02] <dipp> mphipps1: ah, can you fix it?
[03:10:11] <mphipps1> there is a major server issue - /bin/mount dumps core.
[03:10:22] <dipp> ouch
[03:10:32] <mphipps1> yeah.
[03:10:44] <mphipps1> beunited is on the same server.
[03:10:48] <emuflame> hrm
[03:10:51] <mphipps1> We are looking at other hosting options.
[03:10:52] <dipp> aha okay
[03:11:07] <dipp> mphipps1: I think Dr3w was able to host it
[03:11:10] <brennanOS> mphipps1: you dont happen to use X for BeOS do you?
[03:11:14] <dipp> was/is
[03:11:26] <mphipps1> brennanos - I tried it for about 10 minutes.
[03:11:47] <brennanOS> until you found out that ssh didnt work, right?
[03:12:12] <mphipps1> dipp - we are looking at some "professional" hosting. Someone who is paid to keep the server software, etc up to date and backed up.
[03:12:34] <dipp> okay, can you afford that?
[03:12:35] <mphipps1> brennanos - no, until I realized that I had no need for it. ;-D
[03:12:48] <mphipps1> dipp - we can handle it. ;-D
[03:12:59] <dipp> good good :)
[03:13:01] <mphipps1> Hosting isn't really all that expensive for what we need.
[03:13:26] <mphipps1> Was/Is technix here?
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[03:14:09] <dipp> dunno
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[03:14:28] <mmadia> mphipps1 he's in tycom right now.
[03:14:52] <mphipps1> mmadia - beshare?
[03:15:03] <mmadia> yeah.
[03:15:33] <mphipps1> mmadia - could you tell him that I am here? I am on win98 (bleh) - I can't use beshare.
[03:16:28] <dipp> heh win98...fear
[03:16:29] <mmadia> mphipps1  sure.  btw  http://www.raasu.org/tools/windows/index.php   ;)
[03:17:42] <mmadia> Technix: on my way
[03:17:48] <mphipps1> wow!
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[03:19:11] <Technix> hello room. :)
[03:19:21] <Technix> brb
[03:19:23] <jaimecg> Hi Tom
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[03:19:50] <Technix> ok.. there.
[03:20:40] * mphipps1 welcomes technix!
[03:20:44] <Technix> :)
[03:25:53] <brennanOS> mphipps: gotta get that Java BeShare client
[03:26:41] <mphipps1> brennanos - this machine doesn't have java/
[03:27:21] <[Beta]> hello all
[03:28:06] <mphipps1> Hi!
[03:28:33] <[Beta]> Hi mphipps1: nice to 'meet' you finally.
[03:29:08] <mphipps1> thanks!@
[03:29:25] <mphipps1> forgive me though - I am on a poor keyboard.
[03:29:56] <[Beta]> np, i'm fairly slow, we'll get along like a house on fire.
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[03:33:06] <brennanOS> mphipps: well... Java is free... but a big download of course
[03:33:28] <mphipps1> brennanos - I am trying to keep this machine as close to stock as possible. :-)
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[03:33:44] <MikeW> ghost image, reimage twice a day
[03:33:47] <MikeW> that should do it
[03:33:55] <brennanOS> mphipps: ah
[03:34:32] <mphipps1> mikew - true. but not my machine. :-)\
[03:34:55] <MikeW> right, I need to buy many more gigabytes
[03:35:02] <mmadia> mphipps1 install PE  ;)
[03:40:40] <brennanOS> mphipps1: what do you do on that win98 box?
[03:41:01] <mphipps1> ?
[03:43:07] <brennanOS> ?
[03:43:19] <mphipps1> I am borrowing it.
[03:43:32] <mphipps1> For this. Technix wanted to talk to me.
[03:45:28] <Technix> we're conducting an interview, which will be on Haiku News shortly.
[03:45:53] <Technix> consider it a joint christmas present from both of us. :P
[03:45:59] <mphipps1> :-)
[03:46:12] <brennanOS> ah
[03:46:14] <brennanOS> I see
[03:46:27] <brennanOS> and Im present for the event... woo hoo!
[03:46:45] <brennanOS> please list me in the 'bystanders present: ' section, k?
[03:47:21] <mphipps1> I am not really all that exciting... :-)
[03:48:06] <Technix> mphipps1 thinks he is rather dry and unexciting, but that's just his hat talking... :P
[03:48:29] <[Beta]> Inside BeOS magazine http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7122390098&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT
[03:52:31] <mphipps1> my talking hat is what gets most of my coding done. :-)
[03:52:59] <brennanOS> maybe I can borrow that hat sometime
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[04:00:12] <Technix> arg
[04:00:20] <Teknomancer> hey Technix :-)
[04:00:32] <Technix> hey Teknomancer
[04:01:43] <Teknomancer> is zetajournal yours ?
[04:02:01] <Technix> nope
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[04:02:13] <Technix> heh.
[04:02:16] <Technix> wb mphipps1
[04:02:26] <mphipps1> oh, how I love win98!
[04:02:31] <Technix> :)
[04:03:48] <Teknomancer> hmm what website do u run now Technix ?
[04:04:37] <Technix> Haiku News.
[04:04:42] <Technix> http://haikunews.org
[04:06:17] <Teknomancer> not net+ friendly :-P but i'll use firefox ...
[04:06:28] <Technix> FireFox Rox Your Sox!
[04:06:30] <Technix> :)
[04:06:56] <Teknomancer> i'm having problems with firefox + Gmail
[04:06:57] <Teknomancer> dunno why
[04:07:45] * [Beta] shudders
[04:08:13] <Teknomancer> whats mojo ?
[04:08:30] <Teknomancer> "Developer gets his mojo back" ?
[04:08:38] <Technix> hrm.. think of it like, "groove"
[04:08:44] <Technix> rythym
[04:09:07] <Teknomancer> ah
[04:09:08] <Teknomancer> hehe
[04:09:08] <Teknomancer> ok
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[04:09:55] <[Beta]> Austin Powers lost his mojo too
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[04:10:29] <Technix> he didn't lose it.. it was stolen
[04:11:16] <[Beta]> on a side-note; people dont lose their virginity then?
[04:11:36] <[Beta]> He does say "I've lost my mojo"..
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[04:16:04] <Teknomancer> l8rz
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[04:18:16] <brennanOS> mphipps1: any recommendations for getting Haiku to boot from a hard drive... I am going to test that now
[04:19:29] <mphipps1> I never succeeded at it; talk to axeld
[04:19:41] <brennanOS> ah
[04:20:46] <mphipps1> otoh, I only tried the day that axeld posted on the admin list that he had done it.
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[04:22:38] <mphipps1> that was prior to Waltercon
[04:23:01] <brennanOS> Is the method he used posted there as well?
[04:23:28] <mphipps1> whatever he posted would be 6 months old.
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[04:26:38] <mphipps1> wb voidref!
[04:26:54] <Technix> hey voidref.
[04:36:57] <brennanOS> wow... my friends house got broken into today
[04:37:07] <brennanOS> in the middle of the day
[04:37:12] <Technix> he want his stereo back?
[04:37:15] <Technix> sigh.. FINE.
[04:37:17] <Technix> take it
[04:37:28] <Technix> :P
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[04:41:34] <brennanOS> Yeah.... the stereo is gone
[04:41:40] <brennanOS> and all the christmas presents
[04:43:20] <Technix> dang
[04:43:48] <Technix> that sucks man..
[04:47:36] <brennanOS> yeah
[05:06:17] <BryanV> mphipps
[05:06:26] <mphipps1> Bryanv!
[05:07:05] <mphipps1> roomie!
[05:07:09] <BryanV> roomie!
[05:07:12] <BryanV> hahahaha
[05:07:25] <BryanV> so is there going to be another waltercon in 05?
[05:07:42] <mphipps1> it is my desire.
[05:07:49] <BryanV> excellent...
[05:08:07] <mphipps1> vegas this time, I think.
[05:08:13] <BryanV> oh that would so rock.
[05:08:22] <mphipps1> definately "what happens in vegas..."
[05:08:34] <BryanV> I ran across the quote file the other day.
[05:08:44] <mphipps1> oh no!
[05:08:54] <BryanV> I was frightened all over again.
[05:08:59] <mphipps1> :-)
[05:09:10] * BryanV shudders at the thought of THE CAGE
[05:09:43] <BryanV> ever find a job yet?
[05:10:09] <mphipps1> sort of.
[05:10:18] <BryanV> ... well I guess that's good.
[05:11:04] <Technix> Bryan_W : hey man.. can you leave him alone, willya?
[05:11:17] <Technix> we're trying to like, get an interview done, mmmkay?
[05:11:28] <BryanV> Oh sorry Technix
[05:11:34] <BryanV> I didn't know.
[05:11:34] <mphipps1> bryanv - no - keep going.
[05:11:35] <Technix> :P
[05:11:44] <Technix> not so fast, Phipps.
[05:11:54] <Technix> You're still mine for another hour.
[05:11:57] <mphipps1> I can handle two of you. :-D
[05:12:06] <BryanV> mphipps1 - if you want to be overworked, grossly underpaid, and could pickup java fast (I'm sure you could) there may be a future for you in the hellhole known as Mississippi. :-p
[05:12:08] <mphipps1> unless you want to face me in the steel cage?
[05:12:17] <BryanV> I'll pass on the cage.
[05:12:20] <Technix> oh, bring it on.
[05:12:22] <BryanV> I'm not worthy.
[05:12:27] <Technix> :-)
[05:12:49] <mphipps1> bryanv - I don't think that my wife would deal well with moving to mississippi.
[05:13:04] <mphipps1> although a few more days of this miserable cold and she might. :-)
[05:13:17] <BryanV> mphipps1 - I -strongly- advise against it.
[05:13:26] <BryanV> and heck, I've been here 2 years. :-)
[05:13:32] * BryanV wants out... badly.
[05:13:46] <brennanOS> Mississippi: Proudly ranked 51st in every major statistical category!
[05:13:51] <mphipps1> you could come to rochester and be unemployed.
[05:13:53] <BryanV> brennanOS - HAHAHA
[05:14:04] <BryanV> mphipps1 - I could go anywhere and do that.
[05:14:15] <brennanOS> except Wal-Marts per capita
[05:14:25] <BryanV> heck, I came here to avoid that
[05:14:40] <brennanOS> trying to avoid Java?
[05:14:50] <BryanV> in retrospect, my sanity may have been better off with unemployment
[05:15:10] <BryanV> nah, I don't try to avoid it.
[05:15:50] <brennanOS> come on... we all get into programming so we can make three-tiered enterprise applications
[05:16:03] <BryanV> brennanOS - hey, that's my day job.
[05:16:19] <brennanOS> was mine too
[05:16:24] <brennanOS> getting laid off
[05:16:29] <BryanV> yikes
[05:16:35] <BryanV> want to move to MS? :-p
[05:16:37] <brennanOS> need to find another three-tier app making gig
[05:17:12] <BryanV> my boss told me the other day to see if I could coearce errr convince someone to move here.
[05:17:17] <brennanOS> BryanV: not at all
[05:17:26] <brennanOS> Ill telecommute though
[05:17:30] <BryanV> we may have a few openings shortly... hopefully one will be my job. :-p
[05:18:00] <brennanOS> I live on the other end of the river though
[05:18:00] <BryanV> brennanOS - you might be able to pay the broadband bill of MS state salary
[05:18:21] <BryanV> which tributary?
[05:18:35] <brennanOS> none... the Mississippi
[05:18:39] <BryanV> Ohhh
[05:18:45] <brennanOS> in Minnesota
[05:18:49] <BryanV> I could have jumped in the Ohio and floated down here.
[05:19:06] <brennanOS> I crap into the river and you get to keep it down there
[05:19:16] <brennanOS> you and Looozianna
[05:19:16] <BryanV> nah, that's a good 60 miles west of here.
[05:19:31] <BryanV> it probably hangs up in the delta near Cleveland MS. ...
[05:19:44] <brennanOS> hehe.. my last name is Cleveland
[05:19:59] <BryanV> You know the funny thing about Cleveland MS?
[05:20:14] <brennanOS> no, I sure dont
[05:20:40] <BryanV> If they tried to figure out why the mental handicap rate is so high, they'd probably have to rock-paper-scisors between imbreeding and crap in the water. :-p
[05:21:16] <brennanOS> always take rock, nothing beats rock
[05:21:43] <BryanV> Apparently, there's a lawyer somewhere in the state with my first and last name.
[05:21:47] <BryanV> spelled identically.
[05:21:51] <brennanOS> I didn't even know they had computers down there
[05:22:04] <BryanV> everyone wants to try and figure out how we're related. We're not.
[05:22:08] <brennanOS> heh
[05:22:16] <BryanV> People don't understand that concept.
[05:22:23] <brennanOS> do they refer to it as the War for Southern Independence?
[05:22:33] <BryanV> "You're nat relatered? howcin' at be'?
[05:22:42] <brennanOS> heh
[05:22:46] <BryanV> No, it's the "war of yankee aggression"
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[05:22:50] <brennanOS> Thats a 'red state' for you
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[05:23:41] <BryanV> red dosen't begin to describe it.
[05:23:57] <mphipps1> What the ^%&*&(*)%#$F^%&* is wrong with red?
[05:24:04] <brennanOS> I literally cannot imagine living in Mississippi
[05:24:05] <mphipps1> :-)
[05:24:14] <BryanV> mphipps1 - not necessairly anything.
[05:24:20] <BryanV> but when I hear things like: "bush was appointed by God to lead this country"
[05:24:25] <brennanOS> I visited there once though, went to Vicksburg
[05:24:37] <BryanV> it sends of 'red flags' in my head (pun intended)
[05:24:51] <brennanOS> BryanV: please... for the love of god... dont say that in here
[05:24:51] <BryanV> Vicksburg is a royal craphole of a town.
[05:25:01] <brennanOS> yeah, it was a shithole
[05:25:21] <BryanV> brennanOS - I didn't say I believe it, I'm just saying, there's a good 65% of the population that'd be willing to argue that philosophy.
[05:25:56] * mphipps1 grits his teeth, suffering in relative silence.
[05:26:16] * BryanV shuts up about the political crap
[05:26:24] <brennanOS> BryanV: I know... it angers me just to hear it said... even in jest
[05:26:45] <BryanV> I voted constitution party myself.
[05:26:59] <brennanOS> I voted Communist... again...
[05:27:04] <brennanOS> not really
[05:27:07] <BryanV> Nader camejo?
[05:27:24] <brennanOS> I think its interesting to see how many candidates there are on that ballot when you get in there
[05:27:37] <brennanOS> lots you never hear anything about
[05:38:14] <mphipps1> night all!
[05:38:36] <BryanV> later mphipps1!
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[05:40:30] <emuflame> sup ppl
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[05:57:52] <Technix> nite all.
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[06:22:07] <brennanOS> mmu_man:  I have been told you use X11 on BeOS...
[06:22:59] <@mmu_man> sometimes
[06:23:14] <brennanOS> any insight as to how to make ssh work?
[06:23:35] <@mmu_man> to forward the display ?
[06:23:50] <brennanOS> I cant even log in to another machine using ssh through Xterm
[06:23:52] <@mmu_man> ssh -X should be enough
[06:24:01] <brennanOS> the password shows up in plain text and nothing happens
[06:24:11] <@mmu_man> what version of ssh ?
[06:24:29] <brennanOS> hold on.. gotta reboot my other box into BeOS
[06:24:36] <@mmu_man> the port of X is quite raw AFAIK,
[06:24:52] <@mmu_man> it has some rough edges like fixed qwerty keymap, ...
[06:24:58] <brennanOS> but you've successfully ssh'ed into another box using it?
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[06:25:15] <@mmu_man> and I suppose xterm hasn't been tested much and adapted to BeOs specificities
[06:25:29] <@mmu_man> why not just call ssh from Terminal on another workspace ?
[06:25:47] <brennanOS> can I forward X to my beos box doing that?
[06:26:19] <@mmu_man> yeah, sometimes commands don't work when done from xterm I don't know why much, but they work fine from Terminal, just do that
[06:26:20] <brennanOS> I want to be able to remotely run X apps on BeOS
[06:26:27] <@mmu_man> ssh -X me@box
[06:27:25] <brennanOS> hmmm, my ssh version doesnt support -X
[06:27:36] <brennanOS> and Im using the windowed version of X, if that matters
[06:28:26] <@mmu_man> shouldn't
[06:28:27] <@mmu_man> hmm
[06:28:38] <@mmu_man> you'll have to spcify the port manually then I think
[06:29:04] <brennanOS> whats the default X port again
[06:29:12] <@mmu_man> ssh -R 6000:127.0.0.1:6000
[06:29:15] <@mmu_man> I think
[06:29:36] <@mmu_man> for :0
[06:30:25] <brennanOS> ok
[06:30:27] <brennanOS> trying it now
[06:30:40] <brennanOS> it appears that it will work
[06:30:57] <brennanOS> fowarding over the internet takes awhile ;)
[06:31:26] <brennanOS> sweet that did work
[06:32:03] <brennanOS> brb
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[06:33:54] <@mmu_man> re :)
[06:34:29] <brennanOS> thats awesome... I forward X all the time at home
[06:34:38] <brennanOS> but usually only to another Linux box
[06:35:01] <@mmu_man> if you have a fast cnx I'd recommend trying VNC though
[06:35:09] <@mmu_man> over ssh to keep that secure
[06:35:31] <@mmu_man> so when you disconnect you keep all your X clients running
[06:35:39] <@mmu_man> and get teh session back next time
[06:37:20] <brennanOS> hm
[06:37:24] <brennanOS> this is just at home
[06:40:22] <brennanOS> hmm.. I guess my box at home doesnt like to forwared
[06:40:30] <brennanOS> the box at work forwarded just fine
[06:40:42] <brennanOS> I bet its screen :1
[06:49:29] <brennanOS> thats what it was
[06:49:47] <brennanOS> had to start just plain X on the remote box
[06:50:44] <brennanOS> this is sweet though... I never really need to leave BeOS now... heh
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[09:16:07] <JBurton> hi
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[09:43:06] <JBurton> hey mahlzeit
[09:44:05] <@mahlzeit> hi JBurton
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[09:53:51] <JBurton> hi Korli
[09:54:01] <@Korli> hi JBurton
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[09:59:41] <JBurton> hey Technix
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[10:02:52] <JBurton> hey dr_evil
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[10:07:37] <@Korli> JBurton i tried Freesbie last night : it's really cool
[10:08:11] <JBurton> freesbie the game ?
[10:08:24] <@Korli> no freebsd live cd
[10:09:15] <@Korli> my hardware was working out of the box
[10:09:30] <@Korli> including my firewire HD
[10:09:38] <JBurton> ah cool
[10:09:46] <@Korli> with NTFS partitions
[10:12:57] <JBurton> which desktop manager does it use ?
[10:14:02] <@Korli> i>	i choose fluxbox
[10:14:27] <@Korli> http://www.freesbie.org/doc/1.1/manual/article.html
[10:15:00] <@Korli> seems it includes an installer to actually install on HD if wanted
[10:16:37] <@Korli> it doesn't read BFS though
[10:16:59] <JBurton> good. If it read/wrote BFS, you wouldn't need BeOS anymore :P
[10:17:33] <@Korli> it isn't responsive you know :)
[10:17:57] <@Korli> even media performance isn't on par
[10:18:03] <@mmu_man> you would
[10:18:19] <@mmu_man> to make use of indexed queryable extended attributes :p
[10:18:35] <@mmu_man> IQEA
[10:18:42] <@mmu_man> lol, looks like IKEA :)
[10:19:25] <JBurton> I never use those actually :P
[10:20:13] <@Korli> mmu_man not to be harsh, but zeta should provide this level of workingness
[10:21:08] <@Korli> JBurton seems freesbie is made in Italia :)
[10:21:34] <JBurton> Korli hah :P
[10:21:52] <@Korli> JBurton i feel it in their english :p
[10:23:46] <@Korli> weird they don't use a UFS on CD : "Don't be afraid if during the install process the after_installation_routines script (at 98% of the progress) takes quite long to finish. It has to recover permissions all around the filesystem, because the ISO-9660 filesystem of the CD isn't able to keep them."
[10:23:59] <JBurton> oh
[10:26:20] <@Korli> fluxbox is said to be light, i wonder how is xfce ...
[10:33:05] <@mmu_man> hmm isn't there yet another ISO extention to keep unix perms ? thought so
[10:33:32] <tic> mmu_man http://thankpoland.info/
[10:33:39] <JBurton> Romeo ?
[10:33:44] <JBurton> mmu_man
[10:33:47] <@mmu_man> tic I know about that :)
[10:33:54] <tic> mmu_man, okay. good. :)
[10:33:55] <JBurton> rockridge ?
[10:34:02] <@mmu_man> maybe
[10:34:04] <@mmu_man> dunno
[10:34:19] <@mmu_man> oh it's  petition
[10:34:21] <@mmu_man> lol
[10:34:24] <@mmu_man> good idea :)
[10:34:59] <tic> exactly. sign it!
[10:35:02] <@mmu_man> tic your own site ?
[10:35:08] <tic> mmu_man, no
[10:35:21] <@mmu_man> ah nb at norbert dot ch
[10:35:28] <@Korli> "agenda of the Agricultural Council meeting" weird
[11:02:21] <matricks> roar?
[11:03:00] <tic> time for breakfast.
[11:03:27] <tic> or rather, gift wrappings.
[11:04:25] <matricks> yeahg
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[11:20:15] <JBurton> bbl
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[11:58:51] <Dr3w> Mery christmass.
[12:05:18] <thaflo> is there an Italian guy here
[12:05:35] <Dr3w> favorite quote about BeOS "The August '97 Be Developers Conference in Boston included an outline of Java on the BeOS; Be had plans to integrate the language into the OS. Be's chief technical officer (CTO) at the time, Erich Ringewald, announced that the spring 1998 Intel release of the operating system would include the integrated Java VM and AWT 1.1."
[12:05:49] <Teknomancer> can someone tell me why BMenu::SetTargetForItems(this) does not work when i have just added BMenu to ANOTHER window say, a BFilePanel ?????
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[12:08:19] <xeD> thaflo ci sono
[12:10:13] <Dr3w> does anyone know of a mirror for www.haiku-os.org ?
[12:10:48] <thaflo> xeD, can you DCC me
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[12:20:56] <@mahlzeit> Dr3w: no mirror
[12:21:05] <@mahlzeit> and i have no idea why oh why the site is _still_ down
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[12:22:25] <@mmu_man> Teknomancer I think BMenu's AttachedToWindow() resets the targets to that window
[12:22:32] <@mmu_man> by default
[12:24:30] <tic> mahlzeit, exactly. who's in charge?
[12:24:47] <@mahlzeit> it>	i have no idea who runs the server
[12:25:24] <Dr3w> beunited.org is down too - is it on that server?
[12:26:32] <@mahlzeit> could be
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[12:27:15] <Dr3w> yes they are, 209.197.16.21
[12:27:41] <@mahlzeit> it>	i wonder if it is down for usa people too
[12:28:00] <tic> yo voidref
[12:29:30] <Kernel86> yeah its dead
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[12:52:30] <GH_D> Hei, ConneX!
[12:52:52] <ConneX> hei :)
[12:53:00] 
[13:00:35] <thaflo> what are nodes?
[13:10:57] <@mahlzeit> noodles? :-)
[13:11:18] <tic> BNoodle?
[13:12:18] * tic listens to the Waiting for Cousteau album.
[13:14:15] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/CheckBox.cpp: Switch synchronous and asynchronous mouse tracking code as it was wrongly placed. Style changes.
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[13:48:49] <JBurton> hi
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[13:50:17] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc.c: modified a few comments
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[13:54:52] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/ (DriverInterface.h nv_acc.h): added more engine command defines.. 8-)
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[14:27:32] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/Dragger.cpp: Fixed a couple of infinite loops, small style changes
[14:35:43] <Dr3w> I wrote a simple calculator for Haiku - its nice, nothing special, but looks like it could have come as part of the standard OS.
[14:35:51] <Dr3w> I always thought a claculator was missing.
[14:36:01] <Dr3w> how can I commit it?
[14:36:26] <@mahlzeit> it>	i think you should upload it to bebits instead
[14:36:48] <Dr3w> probably.
[14:36:58] <@mahlzeit> or convince someone (probably sikosis) to commit it
[14:37:22] <JBurton> Dr3w yeah I always missed a calculator
[14:37:28] <JBurton> though there are a couple on bebits already
[14:37:50] <Dr3w> I would hand this over to Haiku though.
[14:38:12] <JBurton> well if it's bsd/mit and good enough, we could assimilate it neverthless :P
[14:38:17] <JBurton> even if it's on bebits
[14:38:25] <Dr3w> I actually think we have to be carefull about what is included by default.
[14:38:39] <JBurton> yeah, same here, that's why I suggest the bebits route
[14:38:40] <JBurton> :))
[14:38:42] <Dr3w> I would hate to see a Linux-distro-type thing happen.
[14:38:43] <@mahlzeit> if it's not in r5, it's not going to be included :-)
[14:38:47] * Dr3w shudders.
[14:39:30] <JBurton> bebits
[14:39:32] <JBurton> bebits
[14:39:33] <JBurton> :))
[14:39:49] <Dr3w> mahlzeit, thats not strictly true.
[14:40:01] <Dr3w> there is already things in Haiku that weren't in R5.
[14:40:08] <JBurton> well, as a general rule
[14:40:14] <Dr3w> Yeah :)
[14:40:17] <@mahlzeit> which things?
[14:40:22] <Dr3w> mdr.
[14:40:44] <JBurton> Dr3w er, if we didn't include mdr, we would've to write another mail daemon
[14:40:46] <@mahlzeit> well, r5 has a mail daemon, and mdr is the one from haiku ;-)
[14:40:51] <JBurton> yaeh :P
[14:41:12] <@mahlzeit> it>	i agree that were not 100% strict, but i was wondering if you know of any big "violations"
[14:42:14] <JBurton> it's all your fault anyway, mahlzeit
[14:42:29] <@mahlzeit> it>	i can live with that :-)
[14:42:32] <JBurton> doh
[14:42:41] <JBurton> I hoped I would've made you cry
[14:42:42] <JBurton> :)
[14:42:49] <@mahlzeit> hah, i embrace failure
[14:43:14] <@mahlzeit> because making mistakes is the path to success
[14:43:27] <@mahlzeit> (at least, that's what i tell myself)
[14:43:35] <JBurton> eheh
[14:43:39] <JBurton> then I'm near success
[14:43:40] <JBurton> :P
[14:43:50] <@mahlzeit> well, some people are just losers :-)
[14:44:00] <JBurton> O_o
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[15:03:45] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Made the (private) 'JAHA' message a constant, and moved it to ViewAux.h. Maybe it doesn't fit much in there, but I didn't want to create a new header just for it. Feel free to move it to a better place.
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[15:05:53] <@mmu_man> JBurton is that what code part of the OS ? or only for an app
[15:06:04] <@mmu_man> if it's for an app you should use something else than 4 uppercase
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[15:32:25] <@mahlzeit> http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20041223.html
[15:32:44] <@mahlzeit> there goes my ipo
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[16:05:08] <JBurton> hm mmu_man is gone
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[17:15:29] <Methe> lo haiku peeps
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[17:37:49] <JBurton> re
[17:37:55] <Dr3w> reeeee
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[17:37:59] <tic> yo guys.
[17:38:01] <Dr3w> what does re mean
[17:38:09] <dr_evil> re
[17:38:15] <@mahlzeit> re
[17:38:26] <Methe> re
[17:39:10] <tic> RE is short for "hello again", HAM speak I think
[17:40:08] <@mahlzeit> http://www.retrologic.com/jargon/R/rehi.html
[17:40:34] <@mahlzeit> but people simply drop the hi
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[17:41:36] <Dr3w> is still doesn't say where the re comes from...
[17:41:50] <tic> repeat hi?
[17:41:52] <tic> rerun
[17:41:56] <tic> re meaning "again", right?
[17:42:02] <tic> You're English, you should know! :)
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[17:42:05] <Dr3w> ag, repeat hi
[17:43:13] <@mahlzeit> what does ag mean :-)
[17:43:26] <Dr3w> we don't use the reok, anyway, I am off home!
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[17:44:30] <JBurton> anyway, I didn't think I would've started a debate
[17:44:37] <JBurton> just wanted to say "re"
[17:44:38] <JBurton> :)
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[18:04:32] <JBurton> hi mmu_man
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[18:06:02] <JBurton> hi Korli
[18:06:04] <Methe> kikoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo mmu_man & Koki (the frog team)
[18:07:23] <@Korli> re JBurton
[18:07:27] <@Korli> eh Methe
[18:08:54] <JBurton> ok, I'm off
[18:08:56] <JBurton> see ya tomorrow
[18:08:58] <JBurton> bye all
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[18:18:16] <brennanOS> JBurton: right on time with leaving... man that guy sticks to a schedule
[18:18:58] <@mahlzeit> no reason to spend more time at work than necessary!
[18:19:24] <@Korli> brennanOS i'd say he left later than usual !
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[18:38:15] <brennanOS> I usually log in/look just as he is saying 'bye all'
[18:38:20] <brennanOS> its like clockwork for me
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[18:42:44] <@mmu_man> plop
[18:43:08] <dr_evil> plop mmu_man!
[18:43:43] <dr_evil> mmu_man I did the PRK
[18:45:12] <@mmu_man> hey !
[18:45:21] <@mmu_man> that meanst you still can see :)
[18:45:25] <@mmu_man> how goes it ?
[18:45:50] <@mmu_man> unless you are using text2speech2text :)
[18:46:25] <dr_evil> it still hurts a little, and I'm very light sensitive
[18:46:33] <dr_evil> but should get better during the next days
[18:47:03] * dr_evil reduced TFT brightness to 10%, but it's still very bright
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[18:50:49] <dr_evil> mmu_man no programming for me for a few days
[18:50:49] <tic> PRK == laser surgery?
[18:50:53] <dr_evil> yes
[18:51:04] <dr_evil> but not the same as LASIK
[18:51:10] <tic> cool. didn't think you could see at all during that time.
[18:51:33] <TuneTracker> blink blink
[18:51:55] * TuneTracker aims a high powered laser at tic
[18:51:56] <dr_evil> it was made on Tuesday
[18:52:18] <TuneTracker> tic did you get the e-mail newsletter?
[18:52:31] <@mmu_man> ioctl(open("/dev/eyes/left", O_RDWR), SIOCGAMMA, &gamma, 4);
[18:53:07] <tic> TuneTracker, yes, just checked.  I've been cleaning my apt for 8 hours :)
[18:53:24] <TuneTracker> wow, must have been a mess!  :-)
[18:54:13] <tic> well, let's say I was cleaning the /kitchen/ only for 6 hours.
[18:54:23] <tic> (with a couple of short breaks. But I was extremely thorough)
[18:54:27] <TuneTracker> yikes... :-)
[18:54:30] <tic> mhm.
[18:54:30] <dr_evil> btw, you could smell it during laser treatment. smells like burned hair
[18:54:39] <tic> dr_evil, yeah, I heard that from a friend who also did it. :)
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[18:54:48] <TuneTracker> dr_evils scary!
[18:55:07] <@mmu_man> getting ready for kdl
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[18:55:17] <tic> TuneTracker, because of school, I don't have time to do anything during the year.  This is basically my first day where I'm _really_ off - no work at Siemens today, and I managed to pass the class yesterday. Hectic :)
[18:55:30] * tic reads newsletter
[18:56:06] <MYOB> is the Haiku site down again? Or is my DNS server playing up like crazy
[18:56:21] <dr_evil> yes down, since more than a week!
[18:56:33] <tic> TuneTracker, by the way.. it's Jansson, not Jensssen. :P
[18:56:35] <tic> Jenssen, even.
[18:56:43] <TuneTracker> darn
[18:56:55] <TuneTracker> That's what I get for not checking!
[18:56:57] <tic> TuneTracker, mikael.jansson.be and all, ya know. :P
[18:56:58] <tic> hehe
[18:57:16] <TuneTracker> sorry!
[18:57:19] <tic> no prob.
[18:57:58] <tic> "Jans" in Swedish is the same as "Jan's" in English, so it means I'm Jan's son (Jan is a male name in Sweden).  But we don't really use that system anymore (like they do in Iceland), so my father's isn't really Jan. :)
[18:58:16] <tic> (which is another way to say that we append "s" to indicate ownership instead of 's as in English)
[18:59:01] <tic> TuneTracker, and, if you want to, you could a "better known as tic to most of you" like you did with mmu_man. :)
[18:59:06] <TuneTracker> Right, like the norskies do too.  :-)
[18:59:17] <TuneTracker> yeah
[19:03:28] * MYOB FINALLY has the DNetC source
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[19:03:53] <MYOB> BeOS should have a new client before christmas assuming the old networking code still works
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