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[00:49:18] <@mmu_man> hmm Tracker isn't nice when testing fs...
[00:49:18] <@mmu_man> KERN 'w>Desktop'[12968]: googlefs: read_attr(40, 1, _trk/pinfo_le, 0x52415754)
[00:49:32] <@mmu_man> stat() like 10 tiems /s
[00:49:44] <@mmu_man> KERN 'ChainRunnerGetHostByNameHack'[21721]: googlefs: open_query('((MAIL:chain==7)&&(BEOS:type=="text/x-partial-email"))', 0x00000000, 0, 0)
[00:50:06] <@mmu_man> hmm will have to filter those out if I don't want to get bookmarks in my New EMail query =)
[00:55:50] * fyysik wonders if axeld and mmu_man have TTY attached to serial port, in order to really enjoy KDL
[00:56:51] <@axeld> fyysik: sure, when a KDL session pops up, I am often using the null modem
[00:57:12] <@mmu_man> well I have the cable detached atm, but ready for use
[00:57:17] <@axeld> Though it changes the timing a bit (since it's so slow), so it can be problematic, too
[00:57:51] <fyysik> people, is there method to get BView's brothers/sisters, instead all hierarchy?
[00:58:09] <@mmu_man> yeah, like some obfs bug which doesn't show up with serial cause it slow down enough to avoid the race =)
[00:58:48] <@mmu_man> fyysik well you can add more than 1 view to a view
[00:58:55] <@mmu_man> but beware of them overlapping
[00:59:04] <@mmu_man> does weird things when drawing
[01:00:33] * fyysik wonders what miracle sequence B_DRAW_ON_CHILDREN/ ~B_DRAW_ON_CHILDRENflag makes with graphics state...
[01:00:54] <fyysik> with clipping regions especially
[01:01:00] 
[01:01:26] <fyysik> part of e-mail ?
[01:01:36] <@axeld> Hi Korli
[01:01:44] <@Korli> hey axeld
[01:02:51] <@mmu_man> trash --empty
[01:14:27] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man openssl do You want 0.9.7e diff (for r5, so it includes sockets fixes)?
[01:14:39] <@mmu_man> sure
[01:15:21] <ahwayakchih> though it doesn't build shared libs yet (don't know why config sets makefiels to build "fips" thing, but it's not there after compile, so code building shared lib errors out :(
[01:15:28] <ahwayakchih> i'll try to fix that tomorrow
[01:15:46] <@mmu_man> http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/shot_googlefs.png
[01:15:52] <@mmu_man> thx
[01:16:10] <ahwayakchih> no problem :) THX for config patch :)
[01:16:14] <@axeld> ahwayakchih: looks like you're working on the same thing as bonefish right now
[01:16:23] <@axeld> Hi ahwayakchih, btw - it's been some time :)
[01:16:23] <ahwayakchih> (i changed it a bit, but not so much i guess)
[01:16:34] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi axeld :)
[01:16:39] <ahwayakchih> bonefish?
[01:16:49] <@axeld> ahwayakchih: Ingo Weinhold
[01:16:57] <ahwayakchih> ahwayakchih>	ah :)
[01:17:02] <@mmu_man> hmm do you haev that one ?
[01:17:02] <@mmu_man> openssl-0.9.7d-zeta.patch.001.txt
[01:17:07] <@mmu_man> I guess not
[01:17:15] <@mmu_man> that's the last one I did
[01:17:27] <@mmu_man> beshared
[01:17:29] <ahwayakchih> axeld maybe he wants 0.9.7e diff? i can give it to You :)
[01:17:57] <@axeld> ahwayakchih: thanks, I'll forward it to him
[01:18:04] <ahwayakchih> axeld no problem :)
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[01:18:30] <ahwayakchih> axeld just tell him building shared lib automatically doesn't work yet :)
[01:18:42] <ahwayakchih> (that missing fips thing :)
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[01:19:12] <@bonefish> Howdy!
[01:19:17] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi bonefish
[01:19:18] <@mmu_man> hey bonefish
[01:19:21] <@axeld> ahwayakchih: there you can tell him personally :)
[01:19:31] <ahwayakchih> axeld :))
[01:19:39] <ahwayakchih> bonefish we were just talking about You :)
[01:19:40] <@axeld> bonefish: I already mailed you ahwayakchih's diffs
[01:19:41] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: openssl, socket fixes?
[01:19:45] <@mmu_man> ahwayakchih hmm I had no prob building shlibs there
[01:19:50] <ahwayakchih> bonefish axeld told me You're working on openssl
[01:19:50] <@bonefish> axeld: Ah, thanks.
[01:20:00] <@mmu_man> see zeta patch
[01:20:04] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: No, actually on OpenSSH
[01:20:05] <ahwayakchih> bonefish yep, wanna diff file? :)
[01:20:15] <@mmu_man> had to fix some things
[01:20:20] <@mmu_man> also enables asm code =)
[01:20:34] <ahwayakchih> bonefish ah... i have openssl ported too, though it's in ugly state for now :)
[01:20:35] <@axeld> bonefish: oh, I thought OpenSSL is what powers OpenSSH?
[01:20:40] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: If I understood axeld correctly, he already sent it to me. :-)
[01:20:50] <@mmu_man> I have openssl ported too and it's working :P
[01:20:58] <@mmu_man> and it's in Zeta
[01:21:04] <@axeld> That must be some sort of hobby :)
[01:21:05] <ahwayakchih> bonefish i'm DCC'ing openssl patch to You
[01:21:15] <ahwayakchih> bonefish ah, ok :)
[01:21:16] <@mmu_man> so, who did that ugly .so.0.9.7 version ? need to slap him
[01:21:19] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: Thanks. :-)
[01:21:59] <@mmu_man> http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/patches/openssl-0.9.7d-zeta.patch.001.txt
[01:22:13] <@bonefish> axeld: No idea OpenSSH uses OpenSSL.
[01:22:16] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man bonefish i don't know why, but something called "fips" is not in main dir after build completes, and later shared build tries to use it for "fips.so" (what is that anyway?) - it's not there and it errors out before going to crypto.so and ssl.so
[01:22:28] <@mmu_man> bonefish it does
[01:22:46] <@mmu_man> ahwayakchih don't recall seeing that
[01:22:58] <ahwayakchih> bonefish no problem :) it's for r5 (including fixes for net_server sockets)
[01:23:42] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man 0.9.7e has it, 0.9.7d didn't have such thing
[01:24:04] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: I downloaded the binary version from BeBits. Are those the patches applied to it?
[01:24:11] <@mmu_man> btw some mode on my patch are for building from outside of srcs (like VPATH, but with symlinks as the build system for openssl is really crappy)
[01:24:17] <@mmu_man> ahwayakchih ah so
[01:24:24] <@mmu_man> I'll have a look
[01:24:24] <ahwayakchih> bonefish i can give You also openssh patch for r5 (includes A LOT of sockets workarounds, and it's still not finished, and ugly ;)
[01:24:49] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man THX :)
[01:24:52] <@mmu_man> ahwayakchih why are you ppl always doing what other ppl already did ? :p
[01:25:01] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: Oh, I'm currently working on getting OpenSSH working on R5. How much have you already done?
[01:25:08] <@mmu_man> openssh 3.9p1 works fine here :p
[01:25:13] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man ? i ported openssh long time ago (well.. few months ;)
[01:25:21] <@mmu_man> hmm except some pipe issue which npipefs fixes
[01:25:24] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man for r5 netserver? :)
[01:25:39] <@mmu_man> well it shoudl compile for r5 though not tested :p
[01:25:47] <@mmu_man> see beclan for a patch
[01:25:57] <@mmu_man> :p
[01:26:09] <@mmu_man> that was also a few months ago :P
[01:26:26] <@mmu_man> now I'll write an AF_UNIX module for zeta cause those ssh-agent are bugging me
[01:26:33] <ahwayakchih> ih>	i have openssh-3.8p1 working here, though it also has problem with piping (like for sftp)
[01:26:48] <@mmu_man> that's not ssh
[01:26:53] <ahwayakchih> (sftp works, but doesn't close, as it waits for pipe to be closed, and that isn't ;)
[01:26:53] <@mmu_man> it's a bug in pipefs in the kernel
[01:27:04] <@mmu_man> which doesn't exit from select() whenteh other end closes
[01:27:10] <ahwayakchih> ahwayakchih>	ah :(
[01:27:40] <ahwayakchih> hehe, i also planned writing AF_UNIX emulation :))
[01:27:45] <@mmu_man> see http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/pipefs.zip
[01:28:15] <@mmu_man> ahwayakchih including fd passing ? that one I don't think you can do without a lot of black magic :)
[01:28:37] <@mmu_man> which I planned but won't have to use anymore :D
[01:28:51] <ahwayakchih> well i wanted it for openssh only, so i could make some shortcuts here and there... :)
[01:29:08] <@mmu_man> I already have a nice libsocket with send/recvmsg, and sockfs works fine
[01:30:11] <ahwayakchih> :)
[01:30:47] <ahwayakchih> how to use that pipefs thing?
[01:31:32] <@mmu_man> build, put it where needed
[01:31:33] <@mmu_man> then
[01:31:38] <@mmu_man> mkdir /npipe
[01:31:43] <@mmu_man> ndmount npipefs /npipe
[01:31:55] <@mmu_man> mv /pipe /opipe; mv /npipe /pipe
[01:32:03] <@mmu_man> (no / at end of paths!)
[01:32:37] <@mmu_man> needed that for xemacs
[01:32:57] <@mmu_man> the build was just stopped at some point waiting for a died child
[01:33:46] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man THX, maybe i'll try that tomorro (i've just read a lot of similar words and i'm afraid i'm lost ;)
[01:34:30] <ahwayakchih> bonefish sorry, i have OpenSSH-3.8p1 working (client, not so well when some other application tries to pipe through it though)
[01:34:41] <@mmu_man> also fixes some issues like cvs aborting
[01:35:04] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man nice
[01:35:09] <@mmu_man> IIRC
[01:35:12] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: Is 3.9p1 so much different?
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[01:35:25] <ahwayakchih> bonefish do You want last diffs i made? or maybe whole directory? :)
[01:35:43] <@bonefish> Well, diffs against the original would be cool
[01:35:45] <ahwayakchih> bonefish i don't know :( i didn't check it yet. but i don't think they chaged a lot of things
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[01:36:51] <ahwayakchih> bonefish ok, here it goes
[01:37:03] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: BTW, you know, that BerliOS requires SSH2 and the poor net server people can't use it as long as no one publishes a newer version?
[01:37:04] <@bonefish> Thanks.
[01:37:11] <ahwayakchih> bonefish just don't be scared - it's still work in progress, not cleaned up :)
[01:37:28] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: No prob.
[01:37:59] <@mmu_man> then just upgrade your molusk form
[01:38:02] <ahwayakchih> bonefish i didn't publish it because i wanted to cleanup it, and maybe try to fix that pipe thing. but then i was distracted with other projects.. ;0
[01:38:10] <ahwayakchih> ;0 = ;)
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[01:39:49] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: Nevermind, it's just a pity that I took the last two days to attack OpenSSH, although someone already had a somewhat working version.
[01:40:08] <ahwayakchih> bonefish :)
[01:40:10] <@mmu_man> bonefish btw how about morphing userlandfs into something compatible with http://sourceforge.net/projects/fuse/ ?
[01:40:43] <@mmu_man> bonefish what you get with diong thing sin your corner :p
[01:40:59] <ahwayakchih> bonefish but i bet You've learned few new things, so those two days will not be total waste :)
[01:42:14] <@bonefish> mmu_man: I haven't had a closer look, but you can as well as the question why not make a Linux Kernel FS interface wrapper for BeOS. Then you had all the FS existing for Linux.
[01:42:28] <ahwayakchih> i've learned that even such "guru" projects like openssh and openssl miss things (like they use configured options in one place, but forget abou'em in other ;)
[01:42:31] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: Hehe. :-)
[01:43:44] <ahwayakchih> ih>	i also learned more socket tricks
[01:43:45] <ahwayakchih> ;]
[01:44:26] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: In my desparation I actually started a driver+server combo that fake socket=R5 for net server. :-)
[01:44:30] <ahwayakchih> axeld if You want to try it: http://beosports.neoni.net/gnupro-3.4.3.zip  :)
[01:44:56] <@axeld> ahwayakchih: can't promise but will try :))
[01:44:59] <@mmu_man> bonefish just go sockfs directly :p
[01:45:07] <ahwayakchih> bonefish whoa, i thought about it, but then found quite easy and clean trick :)
[01:45:19] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: Which is?
[01:46:51] <ahwayakchih> bonefish well.. maybe not a trick... :) i've read a lot of sources, and found out i can just use what they already had in their struct (if fd is sicket or not) and in selects i used modified FD_SET/etc...
[01:47:01] <@mmu_man> hmm Tracker's DirPooler is getting mad
[01:47:37] <ahwayakchih> bonefish so "lower" bits were files, and "higher" sockets (i allocate 2xspace for fd set struct :)
[01:47:40] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: Oh, they already support FD != socket?
[01:47:54] <ahwayakchih> bonefish yep, but not fully unfortunetly
[01:47:56] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: Well, that is exactly what I'm doing. :-)
[01:48:01] <@mmu_man> hmm there is a libsocket for R5 with a select workaround somewhere
[01:48:26] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man yes i have it, even fixed some bits, but it's not so good anyway
[01:48:35] <@bonefish> mmu_man: Work-around for what?
[01:48:50] <@mmu_man> select() and sock not fd
[01:48:54] <@mmu_man> well
[01:49:02] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man but i used it to learn about selects, sockets, and how to make workarounds :))
[01:49:05] <@mmu_man> anyway in R5 you'll hit the select() bug I guess
[01:49:13] <@bonefish> mmu_man: An R5 select() for sockets and FDs?
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[01:49:41] <@mmu_man> bonefish yeah, well it uses pipes to fake the fd and reroute the calls
[01:49:54] <@bonefish> mmu_man: Ah, I see.
[01:50:29] <ahwayakchih> bonefish they set rfd ad wfd the same if it's socket :)
[01:50:33] <ahwayakchih> ad=and
[01:51:45] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: The semantics is different though, isn't it?
[01:51:46] <ahwayakchih> bonefish at least it was like that in that version
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[01:52:44] <ahwayakchih> bonefish except one place socket is network, and not unix (file), so it works for almost everything in openssh package :)
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[01:53:08] <fyysik> people, what do you think if it is possible, that with UTF-8  BView::StringWidth(str, length) may return wrong width, if length is bigger than number of glyphs?
[01:53:13] <ahwayakchih> that one exception was somehow releated to piping IIRC...
[01:53:21] <@mmu_man> hmm
[01:53:23] <@mmu_man> first KDL of the day
[01:53:25] <@mmu_man> and only anyway it's 2 am
[01:54:05] <@mmu_man> ahwayakchih ?
[01:54:06] <ahwayakchih> fyysik i don't know.
[01:54:16] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man
[01:54:25] <ahwayakchih> ?
[01:54:40] <@mmu_man> exception ?
[01:55:29] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man i was telling bonefish that in openssh they use network sockets all the way, ecept one place
[01:55:36] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man where they use AF_UNIX
[01:56:13] <ahwayakchih> and that place was somehow releated (directly or indirectly) to piping, but i can't remember now :)
[01:56:38] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man propbably i shouldn't jump to other projects when i was so close to fix it totally ;)
[01:57:29] <ahwayakchih> hmm
[01:57:45] <@mmu_man> it's for ssh-agent
[01:57:54] <ahwayakchih> bonefish i remember now, IIRC they even have "is socket"-like flag in struct
[01:58:11] <@mmu_man> anyway
[01:58:12] <@mmu_man> zzz
[01:58:20] <ahwayakchih> good night mmu_man :)
[01:58:26] <ahwayakchih> ih>	i also have to go sleep
[01:58:32] <@mmu_man> vnidpool_free(&ns->vnids);
[01:58:48] <@mmu_man> arf, I know why I KDLed now :)
[01:58:52] <ahwayakchih> good night axeld
[01:58:57] <ahwayakchih> good night bonefish
[01:59:03] <@bonefish> ahwayakchih: Night!
[01:59:05] <ahwayakchih> good night everyone :)
[01:59:07] <ahwayakchih> cya
[01:59:10] <@axeld> night ahwayakchih
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[02:01:00] <@mmu_man> KERN 'DirPoller'[106]: googlefs: unmount(9)
[02:01:01] <@mmu_man> KERN 'DirPoller'[106]: vnidpool_free: pool @ 0x0173b8d0
[02:01:04] <@mmu_man> much better :)
[02:05:18] <@mmu_man> ok, n8
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[02:33:11] <CIA-2> axeld * current/src/kits/app/Application.cpp: Added handling of B_QUIT_REQUESTED messages, even if it might not be complete.
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[02:59:18] <Bryan_W> w00t!
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[03:37:46] <[GCT]ElShAwN> ne single chics
[03:38:14] <[GCT]ElShAwN> yo
[03:38:16] <[GCT]ElShAwN> talk to me
[03:38:21] <[GCT]ElShAwN> im lonely
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[03:50:09] <frozenet> woah
[03:50:11] <frozenet> haha
[03:50:23] <frozenet> he thought this was a poem channel haha
[04:04:46] <@Sikosis> lol
[04:05:07] <@Sikosis> awww no love poems for GCT ;)
[04:05:11] <slaad> Woah, hold up, this *isn't* a poem channel?
[04:05:17] <@Sikosis> haha
[04:08:35] <frozenet> how does a haiku go anyways?
[04:08:55] <frozenet> what was the format?
[04:19:52] <Koki> 7-5-7
[04:36:38] <frozenet> oh ok
[04:44:17] <frozenet> BeOS, a good OS...rntoo bad it's gone now.rnhaiku, hopefully better.
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[09:53:17] <matricks> http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/35/77/18/julbocken425.jpg
[09:53:21] <matricks> xmas! \o/
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[09:55:09] <@Korli> hi JBurton
[09:55:20] <@Korli> hmm snowing
[09:55:33] <matricks> Korli: snow sucks.. burning things rules!
[09:55:34] <matricks> :)
[09:55:39] <matricks> http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/35/77/18/julbocken425.jpg
[09:55:43] <matricks> xmas tradition :)
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[09:56:55] <JBurton> hi Korli
[09:56:59] <Soulbender> one stupid tradition
[09:57:08] <Soulbender> why dont they just give up?
[09:57:30] <Soulbender> every year there's some dumba$$ moron who burns it up
[09:57:32] <matricks> Soulbender: cause it's a tradition that it is built and burned.
[09:58:21] <JBurton> Korli no admin meeting yesterday ?
[09:59:34] <@Korli> JBurton there was one
[09:59:49] <JBurton> Korli can you post a log ? I was not at home yesterday
[10:00:21] <@Korli> i>	i haven't it
[10:00:44] <JBurton> ah ok np
[10:00:51] <JBurton> I'll just ask someone else
[10:06:31] <matricks> this admin meeting.. was it in this channel
[10:08:59] <JBurton> no
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[10:09:10] <JBurton> a secret crypted channel
[10:09:13] <JBurton> hi dr_evil
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[10:10:07] <Soulbender> ooooh
[10:10:21] <Soulbender> secret and encrypted, eh?
[10:10:41] <Soulbender> what's up with haiku-os.org btw?
[10:10:47] <dipp> hidden....deep in the catacombs of the IRC-network
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[10:11:30] <JBurton> Soulbender no idea, it's been down since eons ago
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[10:24:10] <@mmu_man> KERN 'add poses'[5932]: googlefs: open_query('((name=="*[aA][nN][yY] [qQ][uU][eE][sS][tT][iI][oO][nN] [yY][oO][uU]\'[dD] [lL][iI][kK][eE] [tT][oO] [aA][sS][kK] [gG][oO][oO][gG][lL][eE] ?*")&&(BEOS:TYPE=="application/x-vnd.Be-bookmark"))', 0x00000001, 6473, 66560)
[10:25:19] <dipp> ugh
[10:25:36] <matricks> mmu_man: what encryption is that? :)
[10:26:06] <@mmu_man> Tracker case-insensitive version of a question :)
[10:26:40] <matricks> mmu_man: what is this googlefs thingie?
[10:26:55] <matricks> got an url or something?
[10:28:36] <@mmu_man> it's to forget about http://google.com :)
[10:29:21] <matricks> I searched for it.. didn't find anything good.. except the whole freaking specification
[10:33:55] <@mmu_man> cause I didn't publish it :p
[10:33:59] <@mmu_man> and it's not finished
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[10:40:32] <matricks> erh..
[10:41:01] <matricks> mmu_man: http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/03/09/29/2227224.shtml
[10:41:32] <@mmu_man> yes I know, that's not the same though
[10:41:44] <matricks> sooo.. what is your thingie?
[10:41:57] <@mmu_man> it's not a clusterd db fs =)
[10:42:08] <@mmu_man> just an fs to query google and get Net+ bookmarks from it
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[10:42:17] <matricks> hehu
[10:42:31] <matricks> sounds kinda... strange.. wicked.. and cool
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[11:14:42] <Methe> Hola peeps !
[11:15:05] * Methe is reading /current/src/kits/app/Application.cpp hmmmmm nice
[11:15:19] <dipp> :)
[11:15:55] <Methe> man it's like so clean
[11:16:07] <Methe> with 1 quick read u get it all
[11:16:10] <matricks> Methe: like a childs soul :)
[11:16:18] <Methe> yup
[11:16:36] <matricks> can I read it online?
[11:16:37] <Methe> (BeOS powah)
[11:16:39] <matricks> without cvs?
[11:16:41] <Methe> sure matricks
[11:16:45] <Methe> that's what I do
[11:16:49] <matricks> url?
[11:17:09] <Methe> 1sec
[11:17:38] <Methe> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/open-beos
[11:17:41] <Methe> for the whole tree
[11:17:50] <Methe> then go current/src/kits, etc
[11:17:54] <Methe> or wherever u want
[11:18:07] <Methe> :)
[11:18:58] <JBurton> argh you're spying teh c0d3
[11:18:59] <matricks> sweeeeet
[11:19:18] <Methe> hihi JBurton yes! (gniarkgniarkgniark)
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[11:19:34] <MSAgentSmith> :DDDDDDDDD
[11:19:39] <MSAgentSmith> muahahahahahahahah
[11:19:50] *** MSAgentSmith is now known as Methe
[11:21:04] <JBurton> :P
[11:21:54] <Methe> Oh man this code gives u strength
[11:22:07] <Methe> helps u to be patient to see it in action
[11:22:55] * Methe found a tweak
[11:22:59] <JBurton> where ?
[11:23:16] <Methe> it's SO minor
[11:23:19] <Methe> Handler.cpp
[11:23:30] <Methe> MessageReceived
[11:23:37] <Methe> u do 3 strcmp
[11:23:39] <JBurton> haven't had a look there
[11:23:44] <Methe> but the 3 stuff u compare
[11:23:49] <JBurton> B_WILL_HAVE_A_LOOK
[11:23:56] <Methe> are always the same 3
[11:24:00] <JBurton> O_o
[11:24:02] <Methe> and have first letter different
[11:24:16] <Methe> so u can replace if (strcmp())
[11:24:25] <Methe> by if string[0] = 'I'
[11:24:37] <Methe> just a bit faster when u got tons of messages
[11:24:40] <JBurton> yeah
[11:24:44] <JBurton> probably
[11:25:04] <Methe> else if (strcmp(prop, "InternalName") == 0)
[11:25:09] <Soulbender> 3-some's are good
[11:25:22] <Methe> Soulbender: pardon ?
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[11:25:40] <Soulbender> :P
[11:25:46] <JBurton> Soulbender O_O
[11:26:03] <Methe> some what are good ?
[11:26:12] <Methe> Kikooooooooooooooooooooo BGA !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:26:36] <@BGA> Hello.
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[11:28:38] <Methe> ok, shower time
[11:28:43] <Methe> brb
[11:33:52] <@mmu_man> BGA
[11:33:53] <@mmu_man> KERN 'add poses'[8331]: googlefs: open_query('((name=="*[aA][nN][yY] [qQ][uU][eE][sS][tT][iI][oO][nN] [yY][oO][uU]\'[dD] [lL][iI][kK][eE] [tT][oO] [aA][sS][kK] [gG][oO][oO][gG][lL][eE] ?*")&&(BEOS:TYPE=="application/x-vnd.Be-bookmark"))', 0x00000001, 11095, 589878)
[11:34:17] <@mmu_man> :)
[11:34:30] <Dr3w> hey mmu_man
[11:34:32] <jonaskirilla> mmu_man: have you got a homepage or is it just www.bebits.com?
[11:34:43] <@mmu_man> jonaskirilla ?
[11:34:56] <jonaskirilla> mmu_man: you heard me ;)
[11:34:57] <@mmu_man> http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/ something like 8 years old :)
[11:35:15] <@mmu_man> i'ts on my todo, item nr 723678564
[11:35:19] <jonaskirilla> mmu_man: oh yeah, clapcrest, I've seen that URL before
[11:35:44] <jonaskirilla> Bienvenue jonas.kirilla :))
[11:35:59] <Soulbender> that's one of the most handy and most unknown url's  in the beos worl :P
[11:36:05] <Soulbender> der>	d
[11:37:05] <@mmu_man> eh
[11:37:30] <jonaskirilla> mmu_man: I'm going to learn French some day. For real.
[11:37:37] <@mmu_man> :)
[11:37:57] <jonaskirilla> mmu_man: I'm under the impression you have a lot of unreleased stuff.
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[11:38:30] <@mahlzeit> it's *cold* outside!
[11:38:44] <ShackaN> it's *hot* outside :P
[11:38:58] * ShackaN greets the chan from southern italy
[11:39:01] <JBurton> it's VERY cold :P
[11:39:07] <ShackaN> hackaN>	ha ha ha
[11:39:08] <JBurton> ShackaN aaargh
[11:39:22] <@mahlzeit> actually, it barely freezes here, but that's cold to me :-)
[11:39:35] <Soulbender> it's kinda cold
[11:39:45] <ShackaN> actually I don't know if it's hot outside or not this morning, but at least I can see the sun shining out of the window
[11:39:51] <Soulbender> of course, you'd consider it hot :P
[11:39:52] <jonaskirilla> oops, forgot to put the foodstuff back in the fridge :P
[11:39:53] <JBurton> well me too, ShackaN
[11:40:51] <ShackaN> anyway, I read the netkit list, does anyone have any urls about that "marrow" project they're talking about ?
[11:41:40] <JBurton> no, but google is your friend, ShackaN :P
[11:41:52] <ShackaN> yeah, but...
[11:42:39] <ShackaN> it seems that "bsd project marrow" is too generic for google
[11:44:48] <CIA-2> jackburton * current/src/kits/ (app/Application.cpp interface/PrivateScreen.cpp): Moved gPrivateScreen into the BPrivate namespace. Small cleanups to Application.cpp. Refined some comments. Used strdup() instead of new because it`s nicer for strings.
[11:45:40] <@mmu_man> jonaskirilla mostly unfinished stuff
[11:45:44] <@mmu_man> but feel free to dig in :)
[11:45:47] <Soulbender> http://www.david-reid.com/projects/marrow/
[11:46:08] <JBurton> aaaargh David Reid
[11:46:17] * Methe votes it's "COLD" outside
[11:46:19] <Soulbender> heh
[11:46:25] <ShackaN> thanks Soulbender ,how did you  do that ? :)
[11:46:32] <Soulbender> had it in my bookmarks :P
[11:46:44] <ShackaN> :D
[11:46:55] <ShackaN> uhm
[11:46:58] <Methe> mmu_man u doing a googleFS ? :D
[11:47:20] <ShackaN> I thought it was a *BSD thing....
[11:48:03] <JBurton> Methe had a look at the thing you said... (in Handler.cpp)
[11:48:11] * mahlzeit waits for the postman to deliver a package
[11:48:15] <@mmu_man> Methe yeah, not teh same as gmailfs though
[11:48:29] <ShackaN> what do you think about this "marrow" project ?
[11:48:37] <Methe> mmu_man: gmailFS ? u means what they use on there server ?
[11:48:43] <Methe> JBurton: and ?
[11:48:48] <Dr3w> http://www.h2o.demon.co.uk/haiku/Haiku-PPC.txt
[11:48:54] <ShackaN> Methe, I don't think so :)
[11:49:06] <Methe> mahlzeit: postman = Santa Claus ?
[11:49:13] <JBurton> Methe I think it's okay as it is, for this very reason: if we add other kind of properties, we'll have to change it back (for example, let's say we have "Suites" and "Shites")
[11:49:15] <JBurton> :P
[11:49:17] <@mahlzeit> well, postmen here do have red clothes
[11:49:34] <Methe> JBurton: tru dat
[11:49:40] <ShackaN> mahlzeit, hahhahahah
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[11:50:16] <Dr3w> Anyone read me FAQ?
[11:50:21] <Dr3w> s/me/my
[11:50:31] <@mahlzeit> Dr3w: needs some spell checking ;-)
[11:50:33] <ShackaN> uhm, I don't have a ppc machine :D
[11:50:35] <@mahlzeit> propriotory
[11:50:39] <@mahlzeit> unlikey
[11:50:41] <@mahlzeit> etc
[11:50:47] <Dr3w> yeah :)
[11:50:49] <Dr3w> I did it in vi
[11:50:56] <ShackaN> vi?! argh
[11:50:59] <Dr3w> I need a spell chucker.
[11:51:00] <Methe> vi?! argh
[11:51:05] <Soulbender> vi 0wns y00
[11:51:06] <Dr3w> vi rules :q!
[11:51:23] <@mmu_man> Methe no, some linux freaks did gmailfs, which let you store anything in fake mails on a gmail account
[11:51:38] <@mmu_man> just mount it and you get 1GB of online storage :)
[11:51:40] * mahlzeit spots the postman
[11:51:43] <@mmu_man> not very nice to google though
[11:51:45] <Methe> mmu_man: LOL !
[11:51:47] <@mahlzeit> (on the other side of the street)
[11:51:50] <@mmu_man> and it's slow I think
[11:52:04] <Methe> yeah and I guess it's not very FAST if u want to do live Video editing :DDDD
[11:52:15] <Soulbender> does he always ring twice, mahlzeit
[11:52:18] <Soulbender> ?
[11:52:20] <ShackaN> mmu_man, well, files up 15 megs are not allowed, and it's sloow, so I don't find any great use for that
[11:52:21] <Methe> lol Soulbender
[11:52:39] <Methe> ShackaN: u cut your files to reasonnable size
[11:52:44] <Methe> then the FS do the trick
[11:52:52] <Methe> u got 1Gb free
[11:52:57] <ShackaN> that's cumbersome :P
[11:53:00] <@mmu_man> ShackaN just see mails in the account as clusters on a disk
[11:53:06] <@mmu_man> you can use more than one cluster to put a file =)
[11:53:07] <Soulbender> wow
[11:53:16] <Soulbender> a *whole* 1Gb
[11:53:18] <Methe> mmu_man: so what's your FS for ?
[11:53:19] <@mmu_man> if tyhe fs knows how to do it
[11:53:22] <ShackaN> I don't need  1Gb free...
[11:53:27] <Soulbender> because storage is so expensive these days...
[11:53:29] <@mmu_man> Methe just for querying google the Be way
[11:53:38] <Methe> gr8 :DD
[11:53:42] * Methe pets mmu_man
[11:53:44] <Soulbender> funky mmu_man
[11:54:19] <Methe> or maybe mount gmail as /mail but I wonder if the time spared to do that is worth ://
[11:54:20] <jonaskirilla> mmu_man: so.. whenever doing a query on all volumes.. google will eavesdrop? :)  or do you have to mount google first?
[11:55:05] <@mmu_man> well for now I'll be quire restrictive on the query I accepts, and return ANOSYS on others
[11:55:28] <Methe> :x
[11:55:34] <JBurton> ANOSYS ?
[11:55:35] <JBurton> :P
[11:55:43] <@mmu_man> ENOSYS =)
[11:55:47] <@mmu_man> ((name=="*query*")&&(BEOS:TYPE=="application/x-vnd.Be-bookmark"))
[11:55:59] <@mmu_man> I'll filter that for now, shouldn't match any usual query
[11:56:16] <Methe> that would be a nice virus to make an app that mounts Google's database in /root
[11:56:41] <@mmu_man> and I'll put a fixed query template as /google/Search\ Google which has that preset
[11:56:47] <jonaskirilla> except there is not /root ;)
[11:56:56] <jonaskirilla> s/not/no
[11:56:58] <Soulbender> mkdir /root
[11:57:12] <jonaskirilla> Soulbender: no thanks, I'll make it "/rot
[11:57:22] <Soulbender> heh
[11:57:28] <ShackaN> /r00t
[11:57:32] <ShackaN> :D
[11:57:37] <@mahlzeit> please mister postman look and see (oh yeah) if there's a letter in your bag for me
[11:58:03] <Methe> mahlzeit: according to the song u must get on your knees and cry if he doesn't
[11:58:11] <@mahlzeit> it>	i will
[11:58:12] <ShackaN> hahahaha
[11:58:20] * Methe grabs his camera
[11:58:31] <Methe> so what's u're waiting for ?
[11:58:33] <Methe> fruits ?
[11:58:34] <Methe> :D
[11:58:35] <jonaskirilla> /root is necessary in UNIX though, the way they stich partitions together
[11:58:47] <ShackaN> nooo, the postman brought you.. the bills! merry xmas!
[11:58:55] <Soulbender> i've never had /root on any *nix box
[11:59:04] <Soulbender> ;)
[11:59:08] <@mahlzeit> books!
[11:59:14] <ShackaN> wow
[11:59:19] <Methe> which ?
[11:59:21] <ShackaN> pr0n ? :D
[11:59:22] <Methe> (s)
[11:59:28] <jonaskirilla> Soulbender: what flavors have you used?
[11:59:36] <Soulbender> i've had / though
[11:59:39] <jonaskirilla> Soulbender: or rather, what's your addiction?
[11:59:48] <@mahlzeit> boring business books
[11:59:54] <@mahlzeit> even better, a dhl truck
[11:59:58] <ShackaN> bleah
[12:00:19] <jonaskirilla> Soulbender: You had "/".. OMG! :)
[12:00:21] <Soulbender> used: HP-UX, AIX, many Linux-flavors, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, QNX
[12:00:27] <Soulbender> addiction; openbsd
[12:00:46] <jonaskirilla> There's no /root in BSD?.. hmm.. I gotta check
[12:01:03] <Soulbender> oh wait
[12:01:04] <Soulbender> duh
[12:01:06] <Soulbender> thereis :P
[12:01:08] <Methe> mahlzeit: so u get on your knees for a business book ?!?!
[12:01:16] <Soulbender> it's "root"'s home directory
[12:01:24] <@mahlzeit> Methe: i just don't like waiting ;-)
[12:01:25] * Soulbender slaps his forehead
[12:01:32] <jonaskirilla> Soulbender: lol man :)
[12:01:37] * Methe pets mahlzeit@lame
[12:02:07] <Methe> but I understand, this time of the year, no kid likes to wait :D
[12:02:08] <Soulbender> enough petting already
[12:02:23] * Methe pets Soulbender
[12:02:42] <@mahlzeit> hmm, the dhl truck is making some other delivery
[12:02:43] <Soulbender> as long as it's not the heavy kind
[12:03:11] * Methe slaps Soulbender with the DHL truck
[12:03:54] <jonaskirilla> Soulbender: I think DragonFly BSD is coming along rather nicely.
[12:04:46] <Soulbender> havent really looked at dragonfly
[12:06:12] <jonaskirilla> they're giving FreeBSD a serious makeover
[12:06:22] * Methe waits for haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku haiku
[12:07:17] <jonaskirilla> I think Haiku is going to rock.
[12:07:48] <Soulbender> i'm not that fond of freebsd really
[12:07:48] <jonaskirilla> Though I'm sure the look and feel will be a little lacking at first. :I
[12:08:04] <jonaskirilla> I kind of like the barebones feel of BSD
[12:08:21] <jonaskirilla> plus I've never really understood the need for Linux/SysV runlevels
[12:08:31] <Methe> bbl
[12:09:05] <Soulbender> i'm with you there
[12:09:18] <Soulbender> runlevels are utterly pointless imho
[12:09:43] <Soulbender> either your machine works, in which case you want to boot it normally, or it doesnt in wich case you want single-user
[12:11:25] <jonaskirilla> it's got a rather steep learning curve though
[12:11:51] <jonaskirilla> not something you'd want to subject normal people to
[12:11:52] <Dr3w> what happens if your system works, but you want to boot so that no one can remotely log in so you can perform an upgrade?
[12:12:32] <Soulbender> single-user, of course
[12:12:41] <jonaskirilla> Dr3w: there are usually packet files, firewall stuff that you can set to block everything
[12:12:46] <Dr3w> oh yeah, you said that :)
[12:12:53] <Soulbender> or normally just down the network cards
[12:13:18] <Dr3w> I like being able to boot into a GUI or not by choosing the runlevels.
[12:13:35] <Soulbender> why?
[12:13:44] <Soulbender> just stop xdn/gdm/kdm
[12:13:48] <Soulbender> xdm
[12:14:30] <Dr3w> after its loaded yeah, what happens if you don't even want it to get that far.
[12:14:37] <jonaskirilla> Dr3w: meant to say "packet filters"
[12:14:39] <Soulbender> plus, SysV/Linux runlevels are insanely convoluted and overdone
[12:15:38] <Soulbender> i just see a need for a bootchoice between gui and cli
[12:15:42] <Soulbender> just dont
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[12:21:00] <Dr3w> Ah I do, I like being able to do it.  I would like to be able to boot Haiku straight to bash, for bash-only apps like apache etc.
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[12:21:39] <Soulbender> haiku aint no server OS
[12:21:46] <JBurton> don't think it will be possible, Dr3w
[12:21:52] <@mahlzeit> no matter how weird a feature is, once you make it available, there are always people who don't want to live without it anymore
[12:21:57] <JBurton> :P
[12:22:06] <Soulbender> hehehe mahlzeit
[12:22:07] <Dr3w> JBurton, it happens now.
[12:22:09] <@mahlzeit> ahlzeit>	a good designer will ignore those people :-)
[12:22:18] <Dr3w> Haiku boots straight to bash now.
[12:22:19] <Soulbender> amen mahlzeit
[12:22:37] <JBurton> Dr3w yeah, but it won't be like that as soon as we have a working app server
[12:22:39] <Soulbender> perhaps that's because there is no appserver yet....
[12:22:42] <JBurton> :P
[12:22:50] <JBurton> mahlzeit :)
[12:22:58] <Dr3w> but there isn't really a reason why it can't have an option when you press space on boot up.
[12:23:07] <Soulbender> if only more developers followed that advice, mahlzeit
[12:23:16] <Dr3w> I am not saying I want it or not, just saying, there isn't a technical reason why it coudln't happen.
[12:23:21] <@mahlzeit> yes! everyone should do as i say! :-)
[12:23:21] <JBurton> Dr3w there is
[12:23:25] <Soulbender> there's no reason there SHOULD be such an option
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[12:23:38] <JBurton> Dr3w you would have to write an app server which doesn't do graphics
[12:23:45] <Dr3w> JBurton, whats the technical reason?
[12:23:46] <jonaskirilla> an OS should deal with a no-video setup, but if there is video it should boot to full graphics
[12:23:48] <JBurton> or do bad hacks
[12:23:55] <JBurton> what's the problem with vesa mode ?
[12:24:03] <JBurton> you can boot to vesa if everything goes bad
[12:24:28] <JBurton> almost everything in beos need an app server
[12:24:52] <JBurton> as I said, you could have a stripped down app server which doesn't do graphics
[12:24:54] <JBurton> but why ?
[12:24:55] <Dr3w> I think its down to user choice.  You sould make it as simple as possible for the basic user, but if the power user wants the options, that should be there too.
[12:25:19] <JBurton> well anyway I don't think it will happen
[12:25:22] <Soulbender> the whole point of beos/haiku is the graphical interface
[12:25:32] <Soulbender> why on earth would you want to run it in textmode?
[12:25:37] <JBurton> yeah in fact
[12:25:52] <Dr3w> dunno, I bet if you ask enough people they will give yuo an answer though.
[12:25:55] <Soulbender> if you want textmode, run dos
[12:26:10] <Soulbender> i'm sure if you sk people anything some of them will want it
[12:26:22] <@mahlzeit> asking people is the worst way of finding out what people need
[12:26:25] <Soulbender> but as mahlzeit said smart developers will ignore them
[12:26:27] <JBurton> Dr3w well if no one steps in with some very good reason AND code it, I don't think it will happen
[12:26:30] <@mahlzeit> because they will all lie
[12:26:54] <@mahlzeit> well, "lie" is maybe a little harsh, but most people have no idea what they want :-)
[12:27:20] <Soulbender> wich explains an awfull lot ;)
[12:28:01] <@mahlzeit> it's true though; everyone's always talking about having surveys, but survey results are usually wrong
[12:28:44] <JBurton> yeah
[12:28:54] <Soulbender> statistics is all about what questions you ask and how you ask them
[12:29:23] <Soulbender> if you do it "right" you can prove whatever you want
[12:29:32] <JBurton> bye all
[12:29:37] <@mahlzeit> bye JBurton
[12:29:44] <JBurton> there is going to be a power shortage here
[12:29:48] <JBurton> for the next 5 hours
[12:29:56] <@mahlzeit> cool
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[12:33:26] <Dr3w> I can prove that people will want Haiku to run on Mac Plus's.
[12:33:27] <Dr3w> :)
[12:34:02] <@mahlzeit> yeah but does haiku want to run on mac plus? :-)
[12:34:20] * Dr3w 's favorite comptuer is his 1989 Apple Macintosh Plus, 4Mb RAM, external 800k Floppy and external single speed Apple CD-ROM SC Plus.
[12:34:21] <Dr3w> it rules.
[12:34:35] <@mahlzeit> tsk, amiga owns apple
[12:35:02] <Dr3w> yeah, where as everyone has owned Amiga :)
[12:35:23] <Dr3w> I haven't used my Amiga 1200 for a while.
[12:36:17] <@mahlzeit> yeah good memories :-)
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[12:59:50] <Dr3w> How do you get a pikachu on a bus?
[13:00:02] <Dr3w> You pokemon.
[13:00:50] <dipp> ...:)
[13:01:03] <dipp> that one was pretty "bad"
[13:01:05] <dipp> ;)
[13:08:23] <Dr3w> Any web developers here who want to help out with a HaikuPPC web page?
[13:19:24] <@mahlzeit> Dr3w: if our website worked, that would be nice as a wiki
[13:19:59] <Dr3w> :) Yeah, I offered to ask our director to see if we coudl host it - no one really got back to me.
[13:20:06] <Dr3w> Is OpenBeOS a registered organisation?
[13:20:20] <@mahlzeit> haiku, inc is
[13:21:06] <Dr3w> So, Haiku, Inc. is it a charity or something?
[13:21:17] <matricks> non-profit organisation
[13:21:37] <Dr3w> whats stopping Mphipps saying "Thats my business, I am converting it to a profit one!"?
[13:21:50] <@mahlzeit> the irs :-)
[13:22:04] <Dr3w> ah OK.
[13:22:13] <@mahlzeit> and the board, theoretically
[13:22:21] <matricks> and the code would be forked in less then a second and continued without him
[13:22:31] <Dr3w> If I can get *some* form of stats on the sites requirements, then I think it would be fine to host it on a server in our data centre.
[13:23:46] <Dr3w> banwidth requirements that is.
[13:23:55] <Dr3w> the server is Apache/Linux with MySQL/PHP/Perl etc.
[13:24:12] <matricks> atricks>	a LAMP with other words
[13:24:18] <Dr3w> yeah :)
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[13:24:32] <Dr3w> tape backup too.
[13:24:33] <ahwayakchih> hih>	hi
[13:24:36] <matricks> shh, here he comes
[13:25:00] <ahwayakchih> somethign scary comes this way?
[13:25:03] <ahwayakchih> :)
[13:25:11] <matricks> *whissles"
[13:25:18] <@mahlzeit> Dr3w: send an email to mphipps :-) but he only has internet a few times a week, so response can be slow
[13:25:50] <Methe> oh
[13:25:57] <ahwayakchih> hmm no mmu_man?
[13:25:59] <Methe> I was wondering where michael were
[13:26:08] <Methe> haven't seen him for a while
[13:27:02] <@mahlzeit> snow!
[13:27:17] <ahwayakchih> anyone knows mmu_man's mail and can share it to me? :)
[13:27:29] <Dr3w> Is the site CMS driven?
[13:27:39] <@mahlzeit> the haiku site has a custom back-end
[13:27:53] <@mahlzeit> written by zortness who hangs out here too
[13:28:00] <Dr3w> so once its up, it coudl be managed via the web?
[13:28:08] <@mahlzeit> yep
[13:28:16] <ahwayakchih> ih>	i have updated OpenSSL 0.9.7e patch, and thought he might want it
[13:28:29] <Dr3w> so the FTP username and password coudl stay with me? (I think that might be something the management would ask.)
[13:28:46] <@mahlzeit> you'll have to ask zortness
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[13:34:09] <Methe> ahwayakchih: http://www.ubix.org/cgi-bin/rhum?action=annuaire
[13:34:18] <Methe> sry gtg
[13:34:23] <Methe> (run even)
[13:36:15] <ahwayakchih> Methe wow, huge list :) THX (i already got his mail :)
[13:37:06] <ahwayakchih> Methe those are all french users?
[13:37:14] <ahwayakchih> users=beos users
[13:38:00] <ahwayakchih> ah, he had to go :)
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[13:38:16] <ahwayakchih> ok patch sent, THX
[13:38:18] <ahwayakchih> cya :)
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[14:02:06] <@voidref> tic
[14:05:52] <matricks> tac
[14:06:18] <slaad> toe!
[14:10:31] <matricks> who is the foe?
[14:11:18] <slaad> Me!
[14:11:19] <slaad> Wait.. no
[14:11:29] * matricks slams slaad into the wall
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[14:11:52] <slaad> Meep :~(
[14:12:32] <@mahlzeit> hmm postmen did only bring bills
[14:12:38] <matricks> #beosghetto?
[14:12:44] <matricks> mahlzeit: shoot him :)
[14:12:53] <matricks> mahlzeit: they only bring bills and spam
[14:13:09] <slaad> Channel ful of ex-BeOS users, matricks
[14:13:11] <@mahlzeit> it>	i don't think killing postmen is appreciated here
[14:13:37] <matricks> slaad: so.. I should be there
[14:13:52] <dipp> no, u are a traitor
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[14:13:57] <dipp> >.<
[14:14:07] <matricks> dipp: I still convert ppl damnit.. I'm a preist
[14:14:19] <Dr3w> Woah!
[14:14:19] <dipp> hmm well that is true
[14:14:21] <Dr3w> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51046&item=5149871589&rd=1
[14:14:24] <Dr3w> that rules.
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[14:17:09] <[Beta]> damn rolandrat :)
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[14:21:54] <[Beta]> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4619&item=7121631476&rd=1 a bit steep
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[14:24:17] <@mahlzeit> that is some bad sales copy
[14:26:04] <@mahlzeit> the further down the page you go, the worse it gets :-)
[14:26:14] <[Beta]> very ick, isnt it ?
[14:26:42] <[Beta]> i'm trying to look for a NeXT box, too rare these days.
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