[00:00:20] <@axeld> hey tic :)
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[00:00:33] <tic> I see you're getting ready for self-hosting.
[00:00:42] <tic> what's the general plan
[00:00:43] <tic> ?
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[00:02:31] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/ (11 files): Updated because of header changes.
[00:02:50] <ShackaN> whoa, is it axeld day today ?
[00:02:52] <ShackaN> :D
[00:03:14] <@axeld> tic: you mean besides getting it done?
[00:03:35] <ShackaN> I suppose he means so :)
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[00:04:22] <@axeld> tic: since some days GCC does not work anymore (crashes right after having started the preprocessor which runs through fine in another thread)
[00:04:35] <@axeld> tic: but at least Jam seems to work without any problems
[00:05:39] <ShackaN> axeld, are you following a project you've written down somewhere or you just write code following your "ispiration" ?
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[00:06:02] <@axeld> ShackaN: huh?
[00:06:23] <@axeld> ShackaN: you mean what comes next on the list?
[00:06:49] <AnEvilYak> I think he's just asking how you decide what to work on
[00:06:59] <ShackaN> ehm, yeah
[00:07:10] <@axeld> :-)
[00:07:16] <@axeld> Hi AnEvilYak, btw :)
[00:07:19] <AnEvilYak> heya :)
[00:07:47] <ShackaN> ( as always, I'm sorry for poor english )
[00:07:57] <@axeld> ShackaN: Well, I currently need a certain amount of functionality for my master thesis - so I am working on getting this functionality
[00:08:24] <@axeld> ShackaN: occassionally, I also work on some other stuff I find on the way, though :)
[00:09:14] <ShackaN> wow, so you're writing a whole operating system, for your master thesis, the jury will be quite impressed, imho :D
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[00:11:11] <@axeld> ShackaN: no, I just write a file cache for my master thesis - and that's only a part of it, since, unfortunately, I study artificial intelligence, so I need to put something in it in that direction as well :-))
[00:12:17] <ShackaN> and what has caching to do with artificial intelligence ?
[00:12:44] <@axeld> I'll use it to tell the cache what files could be prefetched
[00:12:49] <@axeld> to speed things up
[00:13:09] <ShackaN> yeah, nice
[00:13:26] <@axeld> Well, actually, I will find out in my thesis if this speeds up anything at all ;-)
[00:15:09] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/vm/vm_page.c: Updated because of some header changes.
[00:15:38] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/drivers/dev.c: Replaced SYS_MAX_PATH_LEN with B_PATH_NAME_LENGTH.
[00:16:09] <ShackaN> anyway, I took some books by tanenbaum from university, I'd like to give 'em a read and start a (little) project on my own, I wish I could find some time
[00:16:36] <@axeld> ShackaN: which you will definitely need a lot of :)
[00:16:48] <ShackaN> but university teaches you math, and physics, and.. math :( but never how to make an os
[00:17:11] <ShackaN> axeld, i know :D
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[00:17:50] <ShackaN> anyway, good night
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[00:21:15] <@axeld> Hey phoudoin!
[00:21:27] <@axeld> phoudoin: almost on time for the meeting :)
[00:21:58] <phoudoin> Indeed ;-)
[00:22:08] <tic> ohh, meeting?
[00:22:21] <phoudoin> Except if you consider I'm late over... 4 or 5 weeks ! :-\
[00:22:34] <@axeld> phoudoin: true, nice to see you again ;-)
[00:22:42] <tic> what are you going to discuss on today's meeting?
[00:22:46] <@axeld> tic: our weekly Haiku meeting
[00:22:47] <tic> s/on/in
[00:23:36] <@axeld> tic: nothing in particular, it's the pre-Christmas silence
[00:23:46] <tic> mhm.
[00:23:59] <tic> axeld, JBurton said something about an announcement and that it's overdue... what's that all about?
[00:23:59] <@axeld> (where I don't mean that we have plenty to show then, but that everyone is busy with other stuff)
[00:24:13] <@axeld> tic: I honestly don't know
[00:24:23] <tic> axeld, but you talked to him about it. :P
[00:24:40] <tic> (or...? maybe I'm mistaken.)
[00:25:09] <tic> Does Haiku use VESA for output now, or just plain writes to 0x800000?
[00:25:18] <@axeld> dunno, the only thing that we haven't announced is that GCC runs - but since it currently doesn't do that anymore... ;-)
[00:25:19] <tic> (on x86)
[00:25:28] <tic> Ah. Heh.  Why?
[00:25:42] <@axeld> tic: The VESA framebuffer
[00:26:03] <tic> okay, so it's a graphical shell, more or less.
[00:26:03] <@axeld> tic: If I'd knew, I would have fixed it already, I guess :)
[00:26:17] <JBurton> axeld that was the thing :) (gcc)
[00:26:25] <tic> axeld, what happens? just doesn't start, or fails somewhere?
[00:26:34] <@axeld> tic: theoretically, but it's more basic than even the simplest terminals you'll find anywhere
[00:26:57] <@axeld> tic: it crashes probably while waiting for the preprocessor to complete
[00:27:47] <tic> axeld, [terms] okay..
[00:27:52] <tic> axeld, [gcc] ouchy.
[00:28:25] <@axeld> tic: well, the only strange thing is that it is crashing in the PLT section of libroot.so
[00:29:11] <tic> Potatoes, Lettuse & Tomato?
[00:29:14] <tic> Lettuce, even.
[00:29:15] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/app/Application.cpp: Now it calls ScriptReceived if it receives a scripting message in MessageReceived(). Falls back to BLooper::MessageReceived() in case something goes wrong (just to be safe).
[00:29:16] <tic> What's PLT?
[00:29:40] <kirilla> tic: shouldn't it be BLT.. bacon, .. a sort of sandwich
[00:29:52] <kirilla> tic: it was an OS, or kernel or something
[00:30:05] <kirilla> tic: oh
[00:30:06] <@axeld> tic: IIRC it's procedure lookup table :)
[00:30:11] <@axeld> Hi Jonas
[00:30:21] <kirilla> tic: sorry, I missed a line there
[00:30:28] <kirilla> hi axeld
[00:30:30] <fyysik> heh, people awake at night
[00:30:38] <tic> kirilla, yes, by Brian Swetland.
[00:30:42] <kirilla> fyysik: yeah, it's a shame really
[00:30:49] <tic> or rather, OpenBLT. :)
[00:31:00] <kirilla> tic: Brian, yeah, I wonder what happened
[00:31:16] <tic> kirilla, saw him in #newos the other day
[00:31:20] <kirilla> crap, I miss the _old_ BeOS days
[00:31:41] <tic> Yeah, me too
[00:31:58] <kirilla> tic: we could play the spot a Be engineer game.. :-]
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[00:32:45] <tic> kirilla, good idea :)
[00:32:53] * tic pets his post card w/ Be engineer autographs.
[00:33:36] <kirilla> we can make a movie.. The Last Be-engineer, starring Tom Cruise..
[00:34:01] <tic> Hehe
[00:34:49] <tic> eek! 00:32
[00:34:51] <tic> must sleep
[00:35:09] <kirilla> tic: I googled this BeOs guy by chance yesterday: http://www.frabjous.org/
[00:35:48] <tic> cool.
[00:35:52] <@axeld> kirilla: even Be engineers are just human like you and me :)
[00:35:53] <kirilla> he made DogWhistle
[00:36:09] <tic> axeld, nope. They're God-like.
[00:36:21] <tic> Heh. Board-O-Matic. Who would know. ;)
[00:36:30] <kirilla> axeld: yes, yes, I know :) it's just the feeling of good-old-days that went by too fast
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[00:38:10] * tic downloads dogwhistle
[00:38:30] <kirilla> tic: it's not a bad app :)
[00:38:38] <kirilla> unique
[00:40:45] <tic> indeed.
[00:40:46] * fyysik don't try to design OS...
[00:40:47] <tic> I never used it.
[00:41:43] <kirilla> tic: great name too
[00:42:00] <tic> indeed.
[00:42:51] <kirilla> I hope DragonFlyBSD adopts the KGI
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[00:43:14] <@axeld> kirilla: KGI?
[00:43:17] <@axeld> Hey Korli!
[00:43:19] <kirilla> axeld: kernel graphics interface.. similar to Linux framebuffer
[00:43:26] <@Korli> hey axeld
[00:43:52] <@axeld> kirilla: thanks
[00:44:13] <kirilla> axeld: the guy porting it says it's sort of similar to how it works in BeOS
[00:44:33] <kirilla> axeld: I don't know the specifics though
[00:45:36] <kirilla> it would enable Cosmoe and the Haiku app_server on BSD
[00:46:10] <kirilla> Cosmoe's kernel bits would have to be ported of course
[00:48:41] <kirilla> http://people.freebsd.org/~nsouch/kgi4BSD/
[00:49:59] <tic> mm, perforce..
[00:50:11] <tic> wonder where the OpenBSD Perforce server runs.
[00:50:18] <tic> or rather, what machine it's hosted on.
[00:51:19] <kirilla> tic: why, are you in a hacking mode? :)
[00:52:01] <tic> kirilla, not really; just looking for viable alternatives for CVS for Haiku -- if OpenBSD uses Perforce, why can't Haiku. That kind of reasoning.
[00:52:16] <tic> night!
[00:52:24] <kirilla> night tic!
[00:53:25] <Dr_Evil> some people are still using RCS at work, why can't we?
[00:53:39] <@axeld> Oh yes, please :-))
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[00:56:54] <Dr_Evil> ok, I'll write the announcement of switching to RCS
[00:58:26] <@axeld> Dr_Evil: maybe that's even too complex for us. Maybe there is something even more ancient?
[00:58:50] <kirilla> the main KGI homepage: http://kgi-wip.sourceforge.net/
[00:59:43] <kirilla> probably supposed to be complemented by the General Graphics Interface: http://www.ggi-project.org/
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[01:09:39] * matricks pets axeld
[01:09:58] <@axeld> matricks?
[01:10:09] <matricks> you do alot of nice work :)
[01:11:29] <@axeld> matricks: thanks. OTOH it's *still* not finished ;-)
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[01:11:48] <matricks> OTOH?
[01:13:17] <@axeld> matricks: = on the other hand
[01:13:36] <matricks> ahh
[01:13:37] <@axeld> http://www.acronymfinder.com/
[01:13:48] <@axeld> that has helped me understanding other people a lot ;-)
[01:13:59] <matricks> yeah.. awesome site
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[02:00:32] <@axeld> night
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[02:46:18] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/arch/x86/ (arch_cpu.c arch_int.c): Included some code from NewOS to set up a double fault handler. Doesn't seem to work yet, though.
[02:46:59] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/arch/x86/ (arch_cpu.h descriptors.h): Incorporated some code from NewOS to set up a double fault handler.
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[03:39:51] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/vm/vm.c:
[03:39:51] <CIA-6> lock_memory() now at least makes sure that the memory range is mapped in.
[03:39:51] <CIA-6> It's a bit hackish due to the iospace area, and it also might not work
[03:39:51] <CIA-6> perfectly in all situations, but it does fulfill the current needs.
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[05:02:25] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/vm/vm.c:
[05:02:25] <CIA-6> Address specifier B_BASE_ADDRESS actually didn't work at all - it now does.
[05:02:25] <CIA-6> Renamed find_reserved_region() to find_reserved_area(), and
[05:02:25] <CIA-6> find_and_insert_region_slot() to find_and_insert_area_slot().
[05:02:55] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/apps/rld/ (rldelf.c rldheap.c):
[05:02:55] <CIA-6> Since we now have a working B_BASE_ADDRESS, we don't need the "RLD_padding"
[05:02:55] <CIA-6> area anymore.
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[09:33:22] <JBurton> hi all
[09:33:38] <monolith> hiho
[09:33:54] <JBurton> hi monolith
[09:34:22] <monolith> how's it?
[09:34:37] <JBurton> fine thanks and you?
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[10:00:01] <monolith> im well
[10:00:03] <monolith> just sleepy ;)
[10:00:14] <monolith> and upset because beos dev edition can't format my disks, but partitions them fine
[10:00:19] <monolith> and i can't find my r5 cd
[10:00:31] <monolith> nor will it work on my athlon xp, regardless
[10:01:04] <JBurton> monolith why do you need to format them ?
[10:01:09] <JBurton> can't you just initialize them ?
[10:01:12] <monolith> jburton: init fails
[10:01:16] <JBurton> ah
[10:01:17] <JBurton> weird
[10:01:20] <fen|afk> wasnt there a max edition or something that was supposed tow ork with athlon?
[10:01:21] <JBurton> big hard drive ?
[10:01:23] <monolith> yea, that's what i thought
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[10:01:25] <fengor> hi btw
[10:01:28] <JBurton> I think so, fengor
[10:01:29] <monolith> jburton: 120g
[10:01:40] <monolith> fengor: both max and dev edition work on athlons
[10:01:50] <monolith> but i can't init/format my drives
[10:01:53] <monolith> so it's moot hehe
[10:02:39] <fengor> hmm are they both free too?
[10:03:14] <monolith> yea
[10:03:16] <monolith> ith>	i just partition them both
[10:03:25] <monolith> each one has a 120G partition
[10:03:33] <fengor> uhm meant the max and dev edition sorry
[10:03:42] <monolith> yea, both free
[10:03:48] <monolith> based on PE
[10:03:52] <fengor> hmm ah ok
[10:04:00] <fengor> maybe hte partitions are too big still?
[10:04:09] <monolith> didn't realize beos had a disk size limit
[10:04:22] <monolith> ith>	i guess i'll try making 60 gig partition
[10:04:29] <Soulbender> it doesnt
[10:04:32] <Soulbender> the ide driver has
[10:04:40] <monolith> oh.
[10:04:41] <monolith> :/
[10:04:43] <monolith> what's the max size?
[10:04:47] <Soulbender> because ide sucks
[10:04:47] <w-ber> 120 GB
[10:05:16] <monolith> soulbender: funny how 120+ gig works (IDE) in every other os ;) (not trying to start a flame war)
[10:05:23] <monolith> w-ber: hm, that's what mine are, but not working
[10:05:25] <w-ber> it was strange, really. I had a partition that went beyond the first 120 GB and BeOS DevEd's partition manager could find no partitions
[10:05:26] <monolith> should i try 119?
[10:05:38] <Soulbender> i'm sure it does
[10:05:42] <w-ber> when I shrunk the partitions below 120 GB, suddenly all were visible
[10:05:55] <Soulbender> msot of those OS's has also had developlemnts after year 2000
[10:06:15] <Soulbender> 120gb is an ide extension that didnt exist when beos was made
[10:07:07] <monolith> still can't init with 100gb size
[10:07:26] <monolith> and buying zeta just doesn't seem like a good idea atm
[10:08:01] <Soulbender> just make a small partition to install on
[10:08:43] <|pst|> re
[10:08:55] <monolith> ok, 40G worked
[10:09:30] <monolith> once i get it installed, is there a replacement IDE driver?
[10:09:42] <Soulbender> yes
[10:09:49] <monolith> and can i resize this partition up to the full 120?
[10:09:49] <Soulbender> although i odnt know how large disks that one supports
[10:09:53] <Soulbender> uh, no
[10:09:53] <w-ber> http://www.bebits.com/app/2625
[10:10:05] <Soulbender> there are no tools that can reszie bfs partitions
[10:10:21] <Soulbender> unless you can find he oddball, old partition maciq version that could
[10:10:25] <Soulbender> magic
[10:11:01] <sys2> w-ber, you get someone to fix that driver with sony cdrw please :/
[10:11:12] <sys2> or if its my mb that locks the driver up
[10:11:13] <sys2> :>
[10:11:55] <w-ber> sorry, I don't know the developer
[10:12:17] <sys2> dammit :>
[10:14:09] <w-ber> http://www.sll.fi/yhdistykset/olsy/luontokerho/matikka_2.jpg
[10:14:50] <monolith> what's that picture for?
[10:14:55] <monolith> looks like a guy doesn't know how to make fish
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[10:15:10] <w-ber> the random picture of the day
[10:15:20] <monolith> somebody needs to teach him how to filet
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[10:28:22] <monolith> well, it booted
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[10:46:26] <JBurton> hi Korli
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[10:50:30] <sys2> damn this other tracker can realy make things faster to work with :>
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[11:22:19] <@Korli> hi JBurton
[11:22:47] <JBurton> what's up Korli ?
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[11:27:18] <@Korli> it's really cold atm
[11:27:35] <@mmu_man> plop
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[11:58:49] <JBurton> any mozilla hacker around ?
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[12:18:55] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/app/Application.cpp:
[12:18:55] <CIA-6> Moved functionality of do_argv() into a new static helper function called
[12:18:55] <CIA-6> fill_argv_message(). Now do_argv() handles the B_ARGV_RECEIVED message
[12:18:55] <CIA-6> (incidentally, that`s almost how it`s done in beos). That made DispatchMessage()
[12:18:55] <CIA-6> a bit cleaner.Added some comments. B_PATH_NAME_LENGTH + 1 -->
[12:18:56] <CIA-6> B_PATH_NAME_LENGTH.
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[12:56:43] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/dos/dosfs.c: Fixed a warning.
[12:58:50] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/dos/mime_table.c: Added MIME types for WMA/WMV media.
[12:59:47] <@mmu_man> bahhh it's BAD(tm)
[12:59:58] * mmu_man slaps axeld
[13:01:27] <Soulbender> hehehe
[13:07:41] <dipp> :)
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[13:55:11] <JBurton> re
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[14:34:16] <JBurton> ciao xeD
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[14:40:59] <xeD> JBurton ciao
[14:41:13] <xeD> JBurton stavo leggendo un sul sito di pearpc
[14:41:51] <xeD> JBurton io non ne so molto di ppc, ma pensi che possa essere usato per simulare una versione ppc di beos?
[14:42:46] <JBurton> cioe' far girare beos ppc sotto pearpc ?
[14:42:50] <JBurton> hmm non so.
[14:43:02] <JBurton> pearpc emula il G3, giusto ?
[14:43:32] <xeD> JBurton non so, stavo appunto guardando
[14:43:34] <JBurton> in quel caso, non va bene
[14:43:49] 
[14:44:05] <JBurton> non ne ho idea, ma nessun Gx, mi sa
[14:44:11] <JBurton> solo roba vecchia
[14:44:50] <xeD> JBurton a..peccato
[14:49:12] <JBurton> gia' :/
[14:50:47] <xeD> ma questo? http://bebits.com/app/447
[14:51:33] <JBurton> eh, quello emula addirittura i mac che usavano il motorola 68000
[14:51:37] <JBurton> si parla di preistoria :P
[14:51:51] <xeD> troppo vecchio!
[14:52:20] <JBurton> eheh gia
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[14:53:01] <@mahlzeit> ola
[14:53:15] <xeD> JBurton hey, ho visto che stai lavorando su Application.cpp.. complimenti!
[14:54:19] <JBurton> hi mahlzeit
[14:54:25] <JBurton> xeD si ma e' poca roba :P
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[14:54:39] <JBurton> niente di straordinario :P
[14:55:05] 
[14:55:46] <JBurton> spero di si :P
[14:56:03] <@Korli> JBurton how to show windows without running a BApplication ?
[14:56:20] <JBurton> Korli you can't
[14:56:29] <@mmu_man> well you do'nt need to have it running
[14:56:32] <@mmu_man> just created
[14:56:34] <JBurton> hmmm true
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[14:56:42] <JBurton> though some stuff won't work
[14:56:48] <JBurton> like bitmaps, probably
[14:56:50] <@Korli> i>	i created it, but BWindow complains
[14:56:54] <@mmu_man> well it won't get messages until Run() is called
[14:57:05] <JBurton> Korli what does it say ?
[14:58:12] <@Korli> "You need a valid BApplication object before interacting with the app_server"
[14:58:38] <@Korli> debugger in BWindow constructor
[14:58:55] <JBurton> hmmm weird
[14:59:18] <JBurton> can you paste some of the code ?
[15:00:48] <@mahlzeit> heh: http://star-techcentral.com/tech/story.asp?file=/2004/12/14/technology/9661494&sec=technology
[15:00:56] <@Korli> very simple : BApplication("application/x-vnd.truc"); new BAlert("", "", "Yes", "No")->Go();
[15:01:18] <JBurton> probably BAlert wants a running BApplication
[15:01:19] <adamk> There are now drivers for the MAuio/Envy24 audio card, right?
[15:01:33] <JBurton> (the Go()) function, I think
[15:02:03] <JBurton> so you need to subclass BApplication and run the BAlert inside ReadyToRun()
[15:02:10] <@mahlzeit> no
[15:02:17] <@mahlzeit> run() is not necessary for balert
[15:02:31] <JBurton> hmm so why he's getting that error message ?
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[15:03:00] <@mahlzeit> don't know, but in tracker grep the about box works like this too, never calls run()
[15:03:17] <@mahlzeit> maybe you need to do this: BApplication app(",...");
[15:03:22] <@mahlzeit> so assign it to a variable
[15:03:25] <JBurton> ah could be
[15:03:52] <JBurton> because that way the destructor gets called almost immediately
[15:03:52] <JBurton> I think
[15:04:02] <@mahlzeit> it>	i doubt it, but who knows
[15:04:03] <JBurton> before you launch the alert
[15:04:10] <JBurton> yeah I think it's because of that
[15:04:15] <@Korli> hmm right mahlzeit
[15:04:30] <@Korli> BApplication("application/x-vnd.truc"); is not enough BApplication app("application/x-vnd.truc"); is
[15:04:49] <JBurton> Korli the first instances creates and destroy the object immediately
[15:04:52] <@mahlzeit> it>	i don't understand why in the first case the object would be destructed
[15:04:59] <JBurton> because it's a temporary
[15:05:03] <JBurton> I think
[15:05:07] <@Korli> mahlzeit maybe because i'm using c++
[15:05:17] <@Korli> it works with C it seems
[15:05:24] <@mahlzeit> ?
[15:05:30] <@mahlzeit> how can you use classes with c?
[15:05:34] <JBurton> yeah in fact :P
[15:05:39] <@Korli> orli>	or optimization of the compiler
[15:06:02] <@mahlzeit> but i suppose jburton is correct: BApp(..) is an expression that ends so the temporaries are destructed
[15:06:35] <@Korli> mahlzeit just to see if you are following me :)
[15:06:41] <JBurton> lol
[15:06:51] <@mahlzeit> yeah sure :-)
[15:08:13] <@mahlzeit> this postini thing works pretty good
[15:09:34] <JBurton> so that guy would want to use patents over copyrights ?
[15:09:39] <@mahlzeit> yes
[15:09:55] <JBurton> yeah, with the current US patent system right? ;P
[15:10:02] <@mahlzeit> now i don't mind looking at abuse of copyright law, but patents are definitely a worse solution
[15:10:23] <JBurton> yeah
[15:10:29] <@mahlzeit> of course, the guy is an intellectual property consultant so he probably makes more money from patents :-)
[15:11:19] <JBurton> ^_^
[15:11:27] <Soulbender> naaah
[15:11:39] <Soulbender> i'm sure there couldnt possible be a hidden agenda
[15:11:49] <@mahlzeit> the article mixes up a bunch of facts, though
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[15:54:17] <sys2> we want haiku! we want haiku!!
[15:54:23] * sys2 chains himself to the channel
[15:54:34] * Dr3w kicks sys2
[15:54:41] <sys2> or...wiat. .. i chain myself to axeld's leg
[15:54:42] <sys2> :>
[15:54:56] <sys2> and i bite him if he tries to not code
[15:54:59] <sys2> thats the plan
[15:55:32] <sys2> Dr3w, i have the magic cloak of unpenetratability on me .. so you just try that!
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[15:56:08] <JBurton> lol
[15:57:47] <sys2> see even loppan sees that its futile to resist
[15:58:09] <JBurton> looool
[15:58:55] <@mahlzeit> you could use such a cloak in prison
[15:59:02] <sys2> hehe :>
[15:59:02] <@mahlzeit> </random observation>
[15:59:53] <Dr3w> does BeOS support pthreads?
[16:00:07] <sys2> it has a pthread implementation yes
[16:00:17] <JBurton> incomplete though it should work for most stuff
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[16:15:36] <fengor> hmm btw is there a skype client for beos?
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[16:21:39] <Dr3w> who invented bread?
[16:22:11] <sys2> i guess we will never know
[16:22:55] <fengor> hmm the neanderthaler?
[16:23:59] <@mahlzeit> according to wikipedia, it dates back to the stone age
[16:24:48] <Dr3w> what were they doing at the time?  Its weird, they can't have just been thiking "oh, lets crush this wheat, oh now lets add some salt, oh and some water and lets bake it."
[16:24:52] <Dr3w> who thinks of these ideas.
[16:25:07] <@mahlzeit> you know what puzzles me: who first came up with the idea of boiling stuff
[16:25:22] <sys2> Dr3w. i dont think they realy did it like we do today .. i think it began without salt
[16:25:23] <sys2> :P
[16:25:53] <fengor> i agree with sys2  there
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[16:26:01] <sys2> fouer or however its spelled mixed with water == bread, if it stand a couple of days it gets sour and starts being a bit bigger etc :>
[16:26:16] <fengor> flour ;p
[16:26:21] 
[16:26:27] <sys2> missed an l .. .:P
[16:26:32] <sys2> and added a character
[16:26:35] <sys2> and totaly spelled it wrong :>
[16:26:42] <fengor> hehe
[16:26:56] <sys2> mahlzeit, most things we know today has come to be becouse of mistakes so :P
[16:27:12] <sys2> i guess someone managed to boil water and then dropped something in there ...
[16:27:13] <@mahlzeit> true, that's still how things are invented :-)
[16:27:21] <sys2> when it came out it was boiled and tasted good or something :>
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[16:39:50] <@mahlzeit> time for a walk
[16:40:58] <Dr3w> yeah a "walk"....
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[16:47:06] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/ (generic_syscall.h ksyscalls.h syscalls.h):
[16:47:06] <CIA-6> Implemented a generic syscall mechanism.
[16:47:06] <CIA-6> Minor cleanup in syscalls.h.
[16:49:33] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/ (main.c syscalls.c):
[16:49:33] <CIA-6> Implemented a generic syscall mechanism. For example, kernel modules can use
[16:49:33] <CIA-6> this during runtime to add and remove specific syscalls. You can also use this
[16:49:33] <CIA-6> to add debugging or temporary kernel calls without messing up the syscall
[16:49:33] <CIA-6> table (the syscall numbers will stay constant).
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[17:06:48] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/ (ksyscalls.h syscalls.h):
[17:06:48] <CIA-6> Renamed the semaphore syscalls to the new scheme (_kern_ instead of sys_).
[17:06:48] <CIA-6> Small cleanup.
[17:07:36] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/libroot/os/sem.c: Renamed semaphore syscalls to the new scheme.
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[17:26:36] <@mahlzeit> huh? what is "walk" a euphemism for?
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[17:28:36] <CIA-6> korli * current/src/apps/bin/ (dstcheck.cpp Jamfile): (log message trimmed)
[17:28:36] <CIA-6> Added dstcheck.
[17:28:36] <CIA-6> It is run once at system startup after app_server and co are running.
[17:28:36] <CIA-6> Its job is to make sure the system clock took daily saving time into account.
[17:28:36] <CIA-6> To do this, it compares DST from a config file with DST from current RTC info.
[17:28:37] <CIA-6> If they differ, a time-updated alert is showed to let the user choose what to do.
[17:28:39] <CIA-6> A-6>	A system call was used on R5 to get the current RTC info.
[17:35:20] <JBurton> bye all
[17:35:27] <@mahlzeit> bye
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[17:39:10] <CIA-6> korli * current/data/system/boot/Bootscript:
[17:39:10] <CIA-6> added dstcheck
[17:39:10] <CIA-6> it is still commented atm because we aren't ready to show windows in graphics mode
[17:39:53] <@Korli> bye all
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[17:48:48] <sys2> meh
[17:48:56] <sys2> by that add ... is the app server working or?
[17:49:00] <sys2> that commit
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[17:51:17] <@mahlzeit> well, if the comment says "we are not ready to show windows", i'd say the answer is no :-)
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[17:53:30] <sys2> ?
[17:53:45] <sys2> is the app server basicly working ? :>
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[18:04:44] <@mahlzeit> it>	i don't know, but i doubt it is
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[18:06:10] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/syscalls.h: Cleaned up the disk device manager syscalls to look like the rest.
[18:08:18] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/ (syscalls.h generic_syscall.h):
[18:08:18] <CIA-6> As suggested by Ingo, the "subsystem" parameter is now a string. That allows
[18:08:18] <CIA-6> modules to use their module name directly.
[18:08:18] <CIA-6> Also introduced a whole range of reserved syscall functions in case we want
[18:08:18] <CIA-6> to add some more.
[18:09:19] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/syscalls.c:
[18:09:19] <CIA-6> As suggested by Ingo, the "subsystem" parameter is now a string. That allows
[18:09:19] <CIA-6> modules to use their module name directly.
[18:09:19] <CIA-6> Also introduced a whole range of reserved syscall functions in case we want
[18:09:19] <CIA-6> to add some more.
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[18:24:36] <@mahlzeit> Methe!
[18:24:40] <@mahlzeit> how did it go?
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[18:28:01] <_jasper_> hi
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[18:33:44] <Methe> KIKoooooooooooooooooooo mahlzeit
[18:33:49] <Methe> was gr8
[18:33:51] <Methe> but
[18:33:58] <Methe> im SOOOOOOOO exhausted man
[18:34:02] <@mahlzeit> haha
[18:34:18] <Methe> >]
[18:34:33] <@mahlzeit> so it went well, eh
[18:34:39] <Methe> yup
[18:34:48] <Methe> a very little bit messy
[18:34:50] <Methe> but hey
[18:34:52] <@mahlzeit> it>	i want to bet you ran out of time :-)
[18:35:15] <Methe> they said it was fine to be so cause it make kids more willing to talk without the "normal" professional scheme
[18:35:28] * Methe slaps mahlzeit 's crystal ball
[18:35:30] <Methe> well
[18:35:31] <Methe> actuallly
[18:35:32] <@mmu_man> googlefs: parse_html: sanity check...
[18:35:33] <@mmu_man> googlefs: parse_html: getting 50 results (1 to 50)
[18:35:33] <@mmu_man> googlefs: parse_html: parsing...
[18:35:36] <Methe> I was right on time
[18:35:44] <Methe> but I said stuffs 2 or 3 times
[18:35:49] <Methe> so about timing
[18:35:51] <Methe> it was fine
[18:35:55] <|pst|> mmu_man: ?
[18:35:57] <Methe> not THAT gr8
[18:36:53] <@mmu_man> |pst| hmm nothing :p
[18:37:21] <|pst|> anyways, they should use the SOAP interface :-)
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[18:39:31] <@mmu_man> |pst| except that interface requires you to register for a key
[18:39:39] <@mmu_man> send no more than 1000 req / day
[18:39:45] <@mmu_man> and get no more than 10 results/req
[18:40:04] <@mmu_man> and having an xml parser in kernel... well :)
[18:40:29] <|pst|> Having an html parser in the kernal isn't better. For the rest, you have a point :-)
[18:41:17] <@mmu_man> well it's just hardcoded tag search with strstr
[18:41:37] <@mmu_man> and stripping away <b>
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[18:42:41] <|pst|> I always thought XML is simple until I met xerces... :-)
[18:43:57] <@mmu_man> eh
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[18:46:47] <matricks> haha
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[18:48:07] <@mahlzeit> xml will be the downfall of our civilization
[18:48:31] <|pst|> I thought all the htmls are...
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[18:50:42] <jonaskirilla> mahlzeit: lol :)
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[19:24:02] <Dr3w> Eventually, everything with will be stored in XML, and the next generation won't understand how.
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[20:19:05] <@mmu_man> hmm
[20:19:16] <tic> heya
[20:19:26] <@mmu_man> wtf google doesn't give Content-Length ?
[20:20:11] <Dr_Evil> did you give HTTP 1.1?
[20:23:30] <@mmu_man> hmm no
[20:23:43] <@mmu_man> ti gives me 100 Continue else :^)
[20:25:46] <@mmu_man> oh, it works with that url :)
[20:26:05] <@mmu_man> seems it just didn't like not having "http://.../" in the url with 1.1
[20:26:28] <@mmu_man> Transfer-Encoding: chunked
[20:26:31] <@mmu_man> hmm still no len
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[20:32:13] * Karina`` yawns
[20:33:56] <@mahlzeit> is that a wake-up yawn or an almost-night yawn?
[20:34:07] <@mmu_man> well chunked seems to mean pars with each len before
[20:34:16] <Dr_Evil> you shouldn't put http:// in the request
[20:35:21] <@mmu_man> well it works, it's just for testing
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[20:35:49] <@mmu_man> for HTTP/1.0 you should put /path
[20:36:01] <@mmu_man> but for 1.1 you need http://host/path
[20:36:08] <Dr_Evil> I can tell you that Axix webcams don't likt that
[20:36:14] <Dr_Evil> like
[20:36:30] <@mmu_man> well it's only for google anyway :p
[20:37:21] <@mmu_man> looks like I'll use 1.0
[20:37:24] <@mmu_man> simpler to get
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[20:45:20] <|pst|> Never heard that a web server needs the complete URL... nor that it can use it at all.
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[20:48:47] <tic> |pst|, virtual hosts?
[20:48:54] <tic> for example, Apache
[20:49:07] <@mmu_man> yes, that's why the url is needed for 1.1
[20:49:14] <|pst|> This is what the Hosts: - Header is for.
[20:49:24] <tic> Ah.
[20:49:26] <|pst|> Uhm, Host, not Hosts.
[20:49:31] * tic doesn't know anything about HTTP
[20:49:53] <|pst|> tic: I've read the standard, but it's too large to keep it in my brain.
[20:50:00] <tic> mhm
[20:50:25] <|pst|> I only know the usage of full URLs in the request for proxies.
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[20:50:53] <tic> oki
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[20:53:39] <Karina``> sorry... mahlzeit that's a "it's late at night yawn"
[20:54:06] <Karina``> and a "i need coffee" yawn :)
[20:54:54] <@mahlzeit> :-)
[20:55:36] 
[20:55:40] <tic> grr, wrong window.
[20:55:57] <@mahlzeit> at least it wasn't anything embarrassing ;-)
[20:56:01] <tic> :]}
[20:56:06] <tic> just a book I'd like to buy
[20:56:24] <@Dr_Evil> bah, you pervert
[20:56:35] <@mahlzeit> oh, an embarrassing book?
[20:56:43] <tic> haha :) Not really
[20:56:45] <@mahlzeit> sex with pythons
[20:56:48] <@mahlzeit> hmm
[20:59:37] <jonaskirilla> 606 pages.. hmm...
[20:59:57] <tic> according to this review, http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=7750/uni1041364857773/ it's a really good book.
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[21:02:49] <serj4nt> hello to all
[21:03:10] <@mahlzeit> hi
[21:03:34] <serj4nt> mahlzeit what are you from?
[21:04:23] <@mahlzeit> that question is impossible to answer :-)
[21:04:41] <@mahlzeit> but my whereabouts are .nl
[21:04:41] <serj4nt> here be who from Russia?
[21:04:59] <serj4nt> mahlzeit Golland?
[21:05:13] <@mahlzeit> we call it Holland :-)
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[21:05:51] <serj4nt> mahlzeit sorry, my english very bad =))
[21:06:08] <@mahlzeit> don't worry about it -- everyone's english is bad around here :-)
[21:06:42] <Karina``> mostly cause half the chan is in from the US ;)
[21:06:48] <serj4nt> =))
[21:07:17] <serj4nt> not expect
[21:08:12] <dipp> and alot from sweden 8)
[21:08:29] <jonaskirilla> yepp
[21:08:32] <tic> yup. :]
[21:08:33] <serj4nt> and all unites BeOS?
[21:08:51] * jonaskirilla hums the BeOS anthem
[21:09:08] <serj4nt> lol
[21:09:08] <Karina``> there's an anthem now?
[21:09:11] 
[21:09:39] <serj4nt> but that be a hymn?
[21:10:00] <Karina``> hopefully not
[21:11:00] <serj4nt> I am a dialect as a fool? =))
[21:11:04] 
[21:11:20] <dipp> hehe
[21:11:34] <jonaskirilla> was that the actual lyrics once?
[21:12:05] <dipp> you mean Germanys?
[21:12:10] <serj4nt> not understand :((
[21:12:14] <Karina``> Germans are thinking now?
[21:12:14] <tic> deutschland, deutschland uber alles
[21:12:15] <tic> ?
[21:12:27] <dipp> something like that
[21:12:27] <@Dr_Evil> ja genau
[21:12:57] <dipp> the most beautiful one is the Sovjet Unions
[21:13:03] <serj4nt> beside who be zeta?
[21:13:06] <sys2> Karina`` ... a girl... here?
[21:13:11] <@Dr_Evil> http://ingeb.org/Lieder/deutschl.html
[21:13:12] <sys2> how old are you? *smiles*
[21:13:36] <@Dr_Evil> tic but the first section is no longer sung, because of slightly bad history ;)
[21:13:37] <Karina``> I'm ussually here, just keep quiet else someone tries to hit on me
[21:13:44] <@mahlzeit> lol
[21:13:57] <tic> Dr_Evil, exactly. :)
[21:14:08] <sys2> haha :P
[21:14:16] <jonaskirilla> ah, you guys :)
[21:14:38] <sys2> Karina`` can rest easy ... sys2 already has a dreamgirl he cant get ... so he is quite occupied :P
[21:15:09] <jonaskirilla> ah.. Josef Haydn..
[21:15:13] 
[21:15:16] <Karina``> hehehe
[21:17:00] <Karina``> ok
[21:17:18] <Karina``> coffee time, before I pass out :)
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[21:17:26] <sys2> omfg
[21:17:38] <sys2> she even passes out if she dosent get coffee .. she is a real geek! :P
[21:18:00] <@mahlzeit> this is like close encounters of the 3rd kind for sys2
[21:18:11] <sys2> haha :P
[21:18:13] <ShackaN> hahaha
[21:18:16] <serj4nt> as sting that I you bad understand
[21:18:30] <ShackaN> I've met a SINGLE she-geek at university until now
[21:18:58] <serj4nt> what?
[21:19:05] <sys2> ive met alot of she geeks but none that knows what they are doing :P
[21:19:20] <@mahlzeit> serj4nt: i think some russians come in here, but i don't know who they are
[21:19:38] <ShackaN> sys?
[21:19:44] <sys2> gestapo gathering additional info in the fight against the US
[21:19:55] <ShackaN> lol!
[21:19:58] <sys2> haiku will crush MS .. MS is a big part of US
[21:19:59] <w-ber> now I don't have to wonder why female geeks/computer enthusiasts don't like to reveal themselves... they get instantly this kind of critisism
[21:20:05] <sys2> so we have almost the whole world on our side ;>
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[21:20:18] <jonaskirilla> sys2: eh.. lol
[21:20:21] <jonaskirilla> :)
[21:20:41] <sys2> w-ber, have i said something bad? :> ... i love it to see she-geeks around ... atleast the ones that knows what they are doing :>
[21:20:42] <@mahlzeit> most he geeks don't know what they are doing either
[21:20:56] <jonaskirilla> mahlzeit: true, true
[21:21:01] <sys2> mahlzeit, ok ok ... :P
[21:21:05] <w-ber> that's what makes them geeks :)
[21:21:06] <sys2> but we learn ... from our mistakes :>
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[21:21:23] <@mahlzeit> welcome back, serj4nt!
[21:22:02] <serj4nt> beside me bad relationship and I can be often disconnected
[21:22:12] <serj4nt> mahlzeit sank
[21:22:36] <sys2> ok .. now THATS bad english :>
[21:22:38] <sys2> hehe :>
[21:22:58] <sys2> but no worries .. i wont rub it in ;>
[21:22:59] <@mahlzeit> thats is also bad english :-)
[21:23:03] <sys2> hehe :PO
[21:23:41] <w-ber> I've yet to see the person who writes perfect English all of the time on IRC
[21:24:24] <@mahlzeit> at least people here don't use u and r all the time (except Methe!)
[21:24:30] <jonaskirilla> IRC - the cultural melting pot.. it just melts away
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[21:24:45] <serj4nt> he
[21:25:13] <sys2> hehe :>
[21:25:34] 
[21:25:49] <sys2> now thats unreadable
[21:26:12] <serj4nt> sys2 it's cirrilic
[21:26:20] <serj4nt> be here people from Russia?
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[21:27:22] <jonaskirilla> serj4nt: there's a guy called fyysik who comes here. He's Estonian, or Russian/Estonian.. not sure.. He speaks Russian, IIRC.
[21:28:22] <serj4nt> only one talking in russian
[21:28:40] <Methe> u r so wrong dude mahlzeit
[21:28:42] <@mahlzeit> there was someone else too
[21:28:48] <@mahlzeit> Methe: bah!
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[21:28:58] <Methe> :DD
[21:29:02] <fyysik> hi
[21:29:03] <serj4nt> hopes with you anything will be got
[21:29:04] <Methe> 59 peeps !
[21:29:09] <Methe> 4more peeps
[21:29:11] <Methe> new record
[21:29:16] <@mahlzeit> speak of the devuk
[21:29:21] <@mahlzeit> *devil
[21:29:31] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - weren't you last person who touched dos-fs add on for haiku? Or that was axeld?
[21:29:32] <jonaskirilla> about the "$XXX is not set properly" warning..  I haven't got no rc.subr in rc.d..
[21:29:44] <jonaskirilla> ah, crap, wrong channel
[21:29:48] <jonaskirilla> sorry
[21:30:27] <serj4nt> what presently the most new distribution program BeOS
[21:32:48] <serj4nt> _jasper_ mojet bit s toboy poluchitsya?
[21:33:26] <_jasper_> serj4nt : sorry, i don't understand russian
[21:33:46] <_jasper_> it's too different from slovak 8(((
[21:34:15] <serj4nt> sting, I thought similars :(
[21:34:39] <_jasper_> but i understood this sentence ;)))
[21:35:06] <serj4nt> _jasper_ first?
[21:35:28] <_jasper_> mojet bit ...
[21:36:20] <serj4nt> try anything say on its language
[21:36:22] <serj4nt> _jasper_
[21:38:06] <_jasper_> hmm
[21:38:12] <_jasper_> it'll be difficult
[21:38:35] <_jasper_> my mother tongue is Hungarian
[21:38:41] <_jasper_> not the slovak
[21:39:06] <serj4nt> understandable
[21:40:28] <_jasper_> ako sa mash?
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[21:45:24] <_jasper_> ahoj serj4nt
[21:46:27] <serj4nt> _jasper_ dont understand
[21:47:02] <BePage> there must be someone else that can speek russian in here
[21:48:04] <serj4nt> hopes it appear, but hopes find general language with you
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[21:49:01] <BePage> isn't fyysik russian or something?
[21:49:46] <serj4nt> I here for the first time
[21:51:54] <BePage> fyysik ?
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[22:11:44] <fyysik> BePage - my native language is russian, though, nationality is Estonian
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[23:21:40] <_jasper_> night
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[23:28:43] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc.c: unraveled engine's FIFO channels setup a bit for routing method to actual engine hardware commands.. (a bit more to come :-)
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[23:49:31] <tic> hey voidref!
[23:49:40] <@voidref> hey
[23:49:50] <tic> What's the good word?
[23:49:50] <Dr3w> voidref, tic!
[23:49:54] <tic> drewster
[23:49:55] * Dr3w group hugs...
[23:50:10] <@voidref> kopfschmertzen
[23:50:11] <Dr3w> voidref, your ex-Be, Inc. right?
[23:50:21] <Dr3w> happypotomous is a good work.
[23:50:25] <Dr3w> s/work/word
[23:50:42] * voidref looks around the room with shifty eyes ..."Maybe, who wants to know?"
[23:51:03] <Dr3w> :)  I was wondering if your wokring on Haiku.
[23:51:12] <Dr3w> Or if you have an NDA or something..
[23:51:50] <@voidref> no, not really working on Haiku
[23:54:07] <tic> my body aches.
[23:54:33] <tic> oral exam, 5 hour work (first day!) and 2 hours windows xp network fixing in the evening.  ugh.
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[23:56:20] <Dr3w> woah, I would pass an oral exam.
[23:56:25] <Dr3w> I clean my teeth loads.
[23:56:32] <Dr3w> and I give good head to ladies.
[23:57:27] <tic> bah. :)
[23:57:48] <tic> Advanced Algorithms.  I'm going to do some hand-waving, trying to explain NP-completeness, etc.
[23:57:50] <Dr3w> so i am told.
[23:58:22] <Dr3w> lol tic - I have done 21 hours in 2 days :)
[23:58:31] <Dr3w> not including 4 hours travel time.
[23:58:35] <tic> done 21 hours of what in 2 days?
[23:58:45] <Dr3w> work
[23:58:59] <Dr3w> 12 hours Monday, 9 hours Tuesday.
[23:59:12] <Dr3w> takes 1 hours and a bit each way to get to work.
[23:59:47] <MikeW> oral exam?
[23:59:51] <MikeW> wtf is that about?





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