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[00:00:52] <fyysik> if i only know what is fix and where is reason! If it was fixed, it means that somebody knows that...
[00:01:32] <Koki> fyysik: not me, :-)
[00:01:59] <@AndrewBachmann> carat looks fine here
[00:03:05] <@AndrewBachmann> I guess you could suppress the cursor when in edit mode like BTextView does, but it doesn't really matter
[00:03:09] <Koki> AndrewBachmann: when I write in Japanese, the position of the caret lags behind the actual text entry position. the longer the line, the more obvious it becomes.
[00:03:30] <fyysik> ik>	i will look in latest font metrix source files...i have some suspects, as for caret positioning some width constants were used - like "M"-width, space width, max char width, average char width calculated from "x" width. But it may produce wrong results for Japanese fonts, especially usage of "x" to calculayte average
[00:04:07] <@AndrewBachmann> cursor looks ok here
[00:04:12] <@AndrewBachmann> even for long lines
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[00:04:39] <Koki> AndrewBachmann: this only happens when I write in Japenese.
[00:04:49] <@AndrewBachmann> I'm writing in chinese
[00:05:10] <fyysik> ik>	i suspect Koki is using Dano and Andrew R5+Bone
[00:05:13] <@AndrewBachmann> I'll try BeCJK + japanese + bitstream
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[00:05:49] <@AndrewBachmann> oh this install is chinese only
[00:05:53] <Koki> fyysik: I use Zeta.
[00:06:03] <@AndrewBachmann> samething as dano :-P
[00:06:04] <fyysik> Koki - that's same
[00:06:06] <Koki> AndrewBachmann, this is what happens > http://www.aequus.net/transport/mozilla_caret-1.png
[00:06:19] <@AndrewBachmann> I have r5+ bone for the moment fyysik
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[00:06:30] <Koki> fyysik, not exactly, but I do not want to discuss that. :-)
[00:06:41] <@AndrewBachmann> koki at least you get block highlighting, mine doesn't look that nice :-P
[00:07:14] <Koki> yes, but the cursor is not where it should be. It makes editing VERY difficult.
[00:07:33] <Koki> However, the latest builds of Firefox do not have this problem.
[00:07:37] <@AndrewBachmann> does this occur if you paste in japanese text
[00:07:43] <Koki> yes
[00:07:45] <@AndrewBachmann> (instead of using the input method)
[00:08:03] <Koki> It does not matter whether you enter the text or you paste it.
[00:08:18] <fyysik> Koki - same in our regards
[00:08:35] <fyysik> as it has to sue so called font overlays
[00:08:46] <@AndrewBachmann> erk
[00:09:51] <Koki> fyysik: my understanding is that font overlay is called when you try display a character not supported by the current font.
[00:10:29] <Koki> In my case, I have Mozilla/Firebird setup to use Japanese fonts, so I believe there is no overlay happening.
[00:11:30] <fyysik> Koki - yeah, but nobody knows, i think YT too, as API isn't published, what font metrics functions do report when some overlay is assigned to e.g. be_paoin_font, and metrics for base font and overlay font are very different
[00:12:36] <fyysik> for example, all Be app suffered in Zeta from ugly rendering problem when Haru was set as cyrillic font, and or as overlay for cyrillic
[00:12:41] <Koki> Well, it cannot be using overlay in my case, because Firefox is using a font other than the one set in the overlay settings.
[00:13:06] <fyysik> all apps have drawn text like "t h i s   i s t e x t"
[00:13:31] <Koki> fyysik: those are double-width characters.
[00:13:47] <Koki> that are used only in Japanese.
[00:14:17] <fyysik> Koki - all cyrillic chars  are single width, but Zeta with Haru draws those as double width
[00:14:50] <fyysik> problem is not in your font settings, but in unpublished API and missing real bug list
[00:15:02] <Koki> Because Japanese uses double-witdh characters for everything. You should not be using Haru for cyryillic charactrs.
[00:15:07] <fyysik> like old Be 's bug list
[00:15:44] <fyysik> Koki - for latin text it worked fine. And in R5 haru worked fine
[00:15:51] <sl44d> Didn't someone archive BeBugs?
[00:16:21] <Koki> fyysik: I do not know about old bugs, but I do think there is a basic misunderstanding on your part. You should not be using a Japanese font for latin chars, as they are mapped differently.
[00:16:29] <fyysik> so it is some specifics, but in order to workaround it with consious instead guessing, we nned more info
[00:16:52] <@AndrewBachmann> Koki it's perfectly reasonable to use Haru for latin characters
[00:16:59] <@AndrewBachmann> it does have plenty of latin characters in it, after all
[00:17:24] <@AndrewBachmann> Heck, I use Haru for my menus, with perfectly fine results
[00:17:34] <Koki> yes, but japanese can and do have characters mapped differently, so you may end up with undersirable results.
[00:17:46] <fyysik> Koki - you again don't understand me.  Haru case is not problem itself, but just indication that Dano/Zeta and R5 do things differently
[00:17:48] <@AndrewBachmann> that doesn't make any sense
[00:18:03] <fyysik> Koki - but for Dano/Zeta we miss any real systematic explanation
[00:18:35] <Koki> I guess if I have fyysik and AndrewBachmann against, I have no chances of winning this one, do I? :-)
[00:18:48] <@AndrewBachmann> lol
[00:19:30] <fyysik> Koki - but i really wish to knwo what affected recent FireFox builds in that sense. Or is that occasion
[00:20:05] <fyysik> and some next build with some external options changed for some person will bring that problem back
[00:20:13] <Koki> fyysik: I have no idea. you may want to ask on the bezilla blog. you may get an answer there.
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[00:20:45] <fyysik> nobody reported that there was some effective efforts to solve problem from BeOS side:(
[00:20:54] <fyysik> ik>	i mean BeZilla blog
[00:21:25] <fyysik> Koki - have you set all Japanese and Unicode fonts as Haru at the moment?
[00:21:27] <Koki> true fyysik, it may be just a side effect of something done to the code. But all I can do is guess.
[00:21:32] <fyysik> wish to reproduce it
[00:22:27] <Koki> fyysik: this is my font setting in Firefox:
[00:22:30] <Koki> Proportion: Serif
[00:22:30] <Koki> Serif: Bitstrem SG
[00:22:31] <Koki> Sans-serif: Haru
[00:22:31] <Koki> Monospace: Haru Tohaba
[00:22:32] <Koki> Display Resolution: 72dpi
[00:22:33] <Koki> Size (pixels): 14
[00:24:15] <fyysik> ok
[00:24:53] <Koki> AndrewBachmann: Haru works well with English, which uses the ascii set, but languages high-ascii characters may have problems.
[00:24:55] <fyysik> at least i know option in code which put caret "rush" instead "lagging". If you have some time, we can try to test it
[00:25:06] <fyysik> only ~100 KB lib to download
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[00:26:10] <NathanW> Is anyone here having issues with MDR 3?
[00:30:01] <@AndrewBachmann> Is anyone here using MDR 3?
[00:30:20] <fyysik> Koki - were those settings you listed for Japanese or Unicode?
[00:30:23] <NathanW> eh
[00:30:26] <NathanW> probably
[00:30:44] <sl44d> What do you use, AndrewBachmann?
[00:31:00] <@AndrewBachmann> MDR
[00:31:24] <sl44d> 2?
[00:31:28] <Koki> fyysik: for japanese
[00:31:40] <@AndrewBachmann> 23:31:40 <@AndrewBachmann>	2 & 3
[00:31:54] <fyysik> Koki - and what you have for Unicode? As most japanese pages now use Unicode?
[00:33:50] <fyysik> and what i need in order to enter Japanese text in forms?
[00:35:07] <CIA-5> nwhitehorn * current/src/apps/bemail/Mail.cpp: Fixed spam server launch problem
[00:39:25] <fyysik> ping
[00:39:38] <@AndrewBachmann> pong
[00:42:21] <CIA-5> nwhitehorn * current/src/servers/mail/install.sh: Fixed issue with old libtextencodings
[00:44:36] <shackan__> 'notte
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[00:46:18] <fyysik> Koki ?
[00:48:09] <Koki> sorry fyysik, was on the (SIP)phone with my sister.
[00:48:28] <fyysik> ahh
[00:48:34] * fyysik uses Skype
[00:48:41] <Koki> fyysik: I believe most japanese pages use EUC or SJIS
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[00:48:59] <fyysik> Koki - but look at your Unicode font settings for sure
[00:49:07] <Koki> ok, hold on
[00:50:39] <Koki> fyysik: Bakersville for serif, Bitstream Vera Sans and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono
[00:50:59] <fyysik> set pls there Japanese-Enabled fonts too
[00:51:43] <Koki> fyysik: are you asking me about my settings in Firefox or Mozilla?
[00:51:50] <fyysik> and there next question - teach me step by step how to input Japanese characters
[00:52:17] <fyysik> about settings in Browser which produces caret bug first, and then about settings in "proper" browser
[00:52:25] <fyysik> for both Japanese and Unicode
[00:54:26] <Koki> fyysik: to enter Japanese text, you need to have a Japanese input method installed.
[00:54:41] <fyysik> ok. go to search for BeOS PRO disj
[00:54:43] <fyysik> disk
[00:55:08] <Koki> fyysik: you do not need to do that. just copy and paste some Japanese text.
[00:55:17] <Koki> from www.jpbe.net for example
[00:56:11] <fyysik> ok. get me URL of that form where i should it paste too, in order to reproduce error
[00:56:20] <Koki> ok. hold on
[00:56:38] <Koki> got first to http://www.jpbe.net/forum/
[00:57:08] <Koki> sorry, make that http://www.jpbe.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=2
[00:57:27] <fyysik> there
[00:58:17] <Koki> fyysik; even better. just go to http://www.jpbe.net/forum/posting.php?mode=newtopic&f=2
[00:58:40] <fyysik> there
[00:58:54] <fyysik> and pasting text from http://jpbe.net/
[00:58:55] <Koki> ok, there is a single line field and a multi-line field.
[00:59:07] <Koki> paste the text in the multi-line field
[00:59:14] <fyysik> done
[00:59:34] <Koki> move the cursor towards the end of the line.
[00:59:46] <fyysik> done
[01:00:01] <Koki> does the caret go all the way to the end of the line?
[01:00:10] <fyysik> sure
[01:00:13] <Koki> (to the right of the last character)?
[01:00:18] <Koki> well, not here.
[01:00:27] <fyysik> trying longer line
[01:01:31] <fyysik> but a)you didn't answer me about Mozilla font settings b)wish to knwo your system fonts too - palin and monospaced
[01:01:40] <fyysik> plain
[01:01:58] <fyysik> longer line seems also OK
[01:02:10] <Koki> ok, hold on
[01:02:45] <Koki> a) Serif: Bitstream SB Gothic CJK1
[01:02:53] <Koki> Sans-Serif: Haru
[01:03:01] <Koki> Monospace: HAru Tohaba
[01:03:12] <Koki> that's for Japanese
[01:03:22] <fyysik> ok, and for Unicode?
[01:03:41] <Koki> Serif: Bakersville
[01:03:52] <fyysik> here for Japanese - Proportional: Serif;
[01:03:56] <Koki> Sans-serif: Bitstream Vera Sans
[01:04:02] <fyysik> Serif: BitstreamCyberbit
[01:04:09] <fyysik> SansSerif:Haru
[01:04:23] <fyysik> Monospace: Haru Tohaba
[01:04:28] <reflectioned> What the fuck.
[01:04:28] <fyysik> SAME for Unicode
[01:04:34] <reflectioned> How did I get here.
[01:04:35] <reflectioned> =/
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[01:05:16] <Koki> ehem, we had some lost kid here... :-)
[01:05:33] <fyysik> Koki - also tell me about checkbox - "Allow to use other fonts"
[01:05:46] <Koki> yes, it is checked.
[01:06:03] <fyysik> unchek it, reload mozilla and test the case again, pls
[01:06:12] <Koki> oki>	ok
[01:06:22] <fyysik> and set Haru for Unicode too
[01:06:29] <fyysik> and Bitstream
[01:06:40] <fyysik> to have absolutely comparable conditions
[01:08:27] <Koki> my system font settings:
[01:08:39] <Koki> Plain: HAru
[01:08:49] <Koki> Fixed: Courier
[01:09:04] <fyysik> ok, going to set same here
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[01:11:44] <fyysik> still Ok with Haru as plain...
[01:12:45] <Koki> fyysik I cannot set Haru as plain. it does not show in the font list for fixed font.
[01:13:17] <Koki> fyysik, sorry but I have to go. I have to pickup my car from the repair shop, and they close in about 30 minutes.
[01:13:17] <fyysik> [2:08] <Koki> Plain: HAru
[01:14:13] <Koki> sorry, you are right. I meant the fixed font.
[01:14:22] <Koki> Yes, I can set Plain to Haru.
[01:14:28] <Koki> my mistake.
[01:14:56] <fyysik> ok, maybe you will time later to synchronize all our settings and hunt the problem
[01:15:20] <Koki> ok. I will leave IRC on. I will be back in about one hour.
[01:15:21] <fyysik> "you have time later"
[01:15:57] <Koki> yes, I will.
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[03:34:49] <CIA-5> axeld * current/src/apps/diskprobe/ (DataView.cpp DataView.h): The block selection is now drawn incrementally if possible which removes flicker.
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[04:29:44] <deadalien> where can i find haiku (openbeos?) mailing list information.  such as where to view any archives?  or possibly how to subscribe?
[04:29:51] <deadalien> ien>	i can't find it anywhere on haiku-os.org
[04:31:53] <deadalien> never mind, found it.
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[09:00:58] <JBurton> hi all
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[09:14:55] <JBurton> hi voidref
[09:14:59] <@voidref> hi
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[09:27:10] <tic> ahh, so /this/ is how to write fancy C++: http://thedailywtf.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=26368
[09:27:13] <tic> (hey voidref!)
[09:28:38] <@voidref> man, that's the DUMBEST code I have ever seen.
[09:28:45] <tic> Yeah, I think so too.
[09:28:46] <@voidref> ok,it's just really really dumb
[09:29:04] <tic> I mean, some snippets are just obfuscated, whereas this is just plain stupid. :)
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[09:29:25] <tic> coolio, PalmSource using Lunix.  you should too, voidref.
[09:29:26] <tic> ;)
[09:29:41] <JBurton> ahahhaha
[09:29:58] <@voidref> haha
[09:30:12] <JBurton> the getday function is simply the best
[09:30:13] <@voidref> PalmSource is using linux for political reasons
[09:30:14] <JBurton> er
[09:30:15] <JBurton> setday
[09:30:17] <tic> voidref, oh?
[09:30:24] <tic> JBurton, yeah.
[09:30:27] <@voidref> long story,and i'm going to bed.
[09:30:30] <tic> Ah..
[09:30:40] <tic> I thought it was so they could get PalmOS up faster on new hardware.
[09:30:45] <JBurton> oh wait I hadn't seen the setminute one
[09:30:49] <tic> (or be able to attract more devs.)
[09:30:50] <JBurton> which is even cooler
[09:30:52] <tic> JBurton, yup, that's even worse. :P
[09:30:54] <JBurton> :P
[09:30:57] <tic> nighty voidy
[09:32:03] <Teknomancer> i just wasted 30 minutes over a ridiculously tiny bug ...
[09:33:02] <Teknomancer> thats what u get when trying to save 2 extra bytes in memory ;-P
[09:35:04] <JBurton> integer overflow ?
[09:35:15] <Teknomancer> nomancer>	no ..
[09:35:17] <Teknomancer> string overflow ;-P
[09:35:35] <JBurton> ahah
[09:35:36] <Teknomancer> it was in add-on memory space followed by piping
[09:35:40] <JBurton> strings are shit
[09:35:41] <JBurton> :P
[09:35:43] <JBurton> in C
[09:35:43] <Teknomancer> that didnt throw up a stack crawl
[09:36:03] <Teknomancer> guess i should use BString a bit more ..
[09:36:08] <Teknomancer> but it lacks a Format() function
[09:36:16] <Teknomancer> aka sprintf()
[09:36:25] <JBurton> well you can use <<
[09:36:34] <JBurton> though it's less powerful
[09:37:47] <JBurton> well I always use char * too :P
[09:39:08] <matricks> I perfer char* :)
[09:39:13] <matricks> or char[x]
[09:39:15] <Teknomancer> err..
[09:39:21] <Teknomancer> i'm talking of sprintf () in BString
[09:39:30] <Teknomancer> it does %ld .. gives u a high level of precision etc
[09:39:36] <Teknomancer> BString always formats floats with 2 decimals
[09:39:38] <Teknomancer> and that sucks
[09:39:41] <JBurton> Teknomancer yeah
[09:39:51] <Teknomancer> i use char * a lot too
[09:39:52] <Teknomancer> hehe
[09:40:13] <matricks> I perfer stuff on the stack over stuff on the heap
[09:40:19] <JBurton> same here
[09:40:28] <matricks> but then again.. I'm a console programmer
[09:40:28] <Teknomancer> i prefer heap for larger stuff
[09:40:38] <Teknomancer> i use heap a lot actually
[09:40:55] <matricks> yeah, for larger stuff it's great
[09:40:58] <Teknomancer> chances of allocation failure on stack is more than on heap
[09:41:25] <JBurton> well, if you use C++ objects, you allocate them on the stack
[09:41:34] <matricks> yeah.. but you don't need to allocate when you put it on the stack.. thats the nice part.. it's fast
[09:41:36] <JBurton> and they, if needed, will allocate their internal data on the heap
[09:41:43] <tic> heap is static, right?
[09:41:48] <matricks> doesn't fragmentate the memory aswell
[09:41:49] * tic always forgets
[09:41:51] <JBurton> that's a much better approah
[09:41:53] <JBurton> approach
[09:42:02] <JBurton> tic heap is everything allocated by malloc
[09:42:04] <JBurton> or new
[09:42:07] <tic> and stack ?
[09:42:18] <JBurton> stack is everything allocated like char foo[128]
[09:42:20] <Teknomancer> new
[09:42:22] <Teknomancer> or malloc
[09:42:26] <Teknomancer> whatever
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[09:42:31] <Teknomancer> heap rules ;-P
[09:42:35] <tic> ah, thanks.
[09:42:53] <JBurton> Teknomancer heap = new/malloc.
[09:43:00] <Teknomancer> JBurton thats what i said
[09:43:03] <JBurton> ah ok :P
[09:43:11] <JBurton> I thought you were replying to tic
[09:43:11] <Teknomancer> u took me back to school ;-P
[09:43:14] <JBurton> ahah
[09:43:42] <JBurton> anyway, in C++, usually, you allocate everything on the stack
[09:43:59] <JBurton> unless you need to keep the object alive outside the scope of the function
[09:44:13] <JBurton> at least, that's the theory
[09:44:18] <tic> ha ha ha ha, staying alive...
[09:44:21] <JBurton> :P
[09:44:24] <Teknomancer> yes usually
[09:44:37] <JBurton> for example, I hope you don't allocate BStrings on the heap :P
[09:44:54] <Teknomancer> heh
[09:45:07] <JBurton> as the real data is allocate on the heap neverthless
[09:45:10] <Teknomancer> it internally allocates on heap anyway
[09:45:12] <JBurton> in fact
[09:45:22] <JBurton> but it's handier if you allocate the OBJECT on the stack
[09:45:30] <JBurton> because you don't need to delete it
[09:45:38] <Teknomancer> of course
[09:45:48] <JBurton> and you don't use pointers :P
[09:45:48] <Teknomancer> that applies to all .. not just objects,
[09:45:53] <JBurton> yeah sure
[09:45:54] <Teknomancer> i love pointers :)
[09:45:56] <JBurton> aahhaha
[09:46:11] <tic> What a nifty idea!  A BOutlineListView that let you browse Python sauce.
[09:48:17] <Teknomancer> ColumnListView rules :)
[09:49:09] <JBurton> BListView/BOutlineListView have serious issues
[09:49:24] <JBurton> well, not really issues
[09:49:31] <JBurton> more like weird design choices
[09:49:50] <JBurton> or, well... better said... BColumnListView is better :P
[09:49:57] <Teknomancer> ;-P
[09:50:08] <JBurton> ^_^
[09:50:10] <Teknomancer> u mean the one used in Tracker ??
[09:50:19] <JBurton> no
[09:50:22] <Teknomancer> or the one being made for haikoo ?
[09:50:23] <JBurton> the one used in vision
[09:50:38] <Teknomancer> hmm
[09:50:40] <JBurton> the tracker one is really specific to tracker
[09:50:44] <Teknomancer> i dont see any columns
[09:50:47] <Teknomancer> JBurton yeah
[09:50:49] <JBurton> Teknomancer I guess it's the one you're using
[09:51:05] <Teknomancer> JBurton where does vision have BColumnListView ?
[09:51:27] <JBurton> I can't access SF otherwise I would show you
[09:52:07] <JBurton> anyway it's also in the haiku repository
[09:52:22] <JBurton> it can do an outline list view or a column list view
[09:52:55] <Teknomancer> where does vision use it ?
[09:52:57] <matricks> (abit late) Teknomancer: Pointers are your friend :)
[09:53:08] <Teknomancer> matricks :^)
[09:53:34] <matricks> ARGH.. Why does BeOS hate me, when I show it nothing but love? :\ ROAR
[09:53:46] <JBurton> Teknomancer for the connected users, I think
[09:54:11] <Teknomancer> JBurton oh .. i think it must be using it as a plain view .. ie. no columns or hierarchy
[09:54:24] <Teknomancer> anyway thats not the one i'm using
[09:54:34] <JBurton> Teknomancer which one are you using ?
[09:54:49] <Teknomancer> JBurton the one in beshare ... + lots of custom modifications
[09:54:53] <JBurton> ah ok
[09:55:03] <JBurton> that would be santa's gift bag's one
[09:55:06] <Teknomancer> yes
[09:55:06] <JBurton> right ?
[09:55:08] <JBurton> ok
[09:55:09] <Teknomancer> read above :)
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[09:55:14] <JBurton> the vision one is much better ;O
[09:55:23] <Teknomancer> why ?
[09:55:28] <JBurton> lots of reasons
[09:55:31] <JBurton> well, try it :P
[09:55:35] <Teknomancer> nomancer>	no
[09:55:35] <Teknomancer> tell me
[09:55:37] <JBurton> better api, for example
[09:55:50] <Teknomancer> ignored,
[09:55:50] <Teknomancer> next
[09:56:00] <JBurton> more sexy-looking
[09:56:05] <Teknomancer> ignored
[09:56:06] <Teknomancer> next
[09:56:09] <JBurton> bwahahah
[09:56:16] <Teknomancer> i made mine look 3d as well
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[09:56:26] <Teknomancer> thats one of the custom things
[09:56:27] <JBurton> well but you needed to hack it :P
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[09:56:34] <JBurton> the other one was already like that
[09:56:36] <JBurton> hey Korli
[09:56:38] <Teknomancer> but i already have ;-P
[09:56:48] <Teknomancer> anyother reason ?
[09:56:52] <JBurton> it's BSD while santa's is proprietary :P
[09:56:59] <Teknomancer> nope
[09:57:00] <JBurton> yes
[09:57:06] <Teknomancer> santa is free for non-commercial use
[09:57:06] <JBurton> read the license
[09:57:15] <JBurton> it's still proprietary
[09:57:16] <Teknomancer> read it several times
[09:57:17] <JBurton> i.e. not BSD
[09:57:21] <Teknomancer> not for me it isn't
[09:57:24] <Teknomancer> next
[09:57:35] <JBurton> well for me is enough
[09:57:42] <JBurton> oh btw santa's is bugged
[09:57:48] <Teknomancer> tell me?
[09:57:50] <Teknomancer> what bug?
[09:57:57] <JBurton> if you have more than 2000 items it will display them improperly
[09:58:01] <Teknomancer> lol
[09:58:01] <JBurton> but I guess you fixed that
[09:58:05] <@Korli> hey JBurton
[09:58:09] <Teknomancer> i've used it with over 700
[09:58:12] <Teknomancer> 7000
[09:58:14] <Teknomancer> sorry
[09:58:28] <JBurton> Teknomancer well, scroll to the bottom
[09:58:30] <@Korli> coffee
[09:58:31] <JBurton> then resize the view
[09:58:36] <JBurton> and we'll see
[09:58:48] <Teknomancer> okay ....
[09:59:03] <Teknomancer> works
[09:59:04] <Teknomancer> fine
[09:59:14] <JBurton> weird
[09:59:15] <Teknomancer> 7810 items
[09:59:20] <JBurton> I'm sure there is a bug there :P
[09:59:20] <Teknomancer> CLV rules
[09:59:37] <Teknomancer> let me try again
[09:59:38] <Teknomancer> for u
[10:00:23] <Teknomancer> nope
[10:00:25] <Teknomancer> nomancer>	no bugs here
[10:00:39] <Teknomancer> its sweet ;-P
[10:00:42] <JBurton> I am sure because I fixed it in my local version :)
[10:01:00] <Teknomancer> JBurton must be an old version u have
[10:01:02] <JBurton> I'll send you an app of mine where the bug is exposed when I have time
[10:01:09] <Teknomancer> JBurton sure,
[10:01:14] <JBurton> Teknomancer I have the latest version (which is very old anyway)
[10:01:24] <JBurton> not beshare one, mind yuo
[10:01:25] <JBurton> you
[10:01:28] <JBurton> latest OFFICIAL version
[10:01:37] <Teknomancer> then the latest one must be buggy
[10:01:38] <Teknomancer> not mine
[10:01:43] <JBurton> you have beshare version ?
[10:01:46] <Teknomancer> because i based mine on a beshare CLV
[10:01:49] <Teknomancer> then hacked it
[10:01:54] <JBurton> well then that one is fixed
[10:01:58] <Teknomancer> ;-P
[10:01:59] <JBurton> but it's not the official one
[10:02:07] <Teknomancer> CLV still rules ;-P
[10:02:09] <JBurton> and, well, I'm not even sure you can modify and redistribute the code
[10:02:18] <Teknomancer> u can
[10:02:30] <Teknomancer> or just modify it and send it to the author
[10:02:40] <JBurton> which won't reply as he's not even in beos world anymore :P
[10:02:47] <Teknomancer> then distribute it
[10:02:50] <JBurton> already tried
[10:03:08] <JBurton> anyway I thought it was cool till I tried vision's CLV :P
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[10:03:24] <Teknomancer> i dont care about other version of CLV ;-P the one i'm having is coooler than cold ;-P
[10:03:29] <JBurton> lol
[10:03:41] <JBurton> well we'll see as soon as you distribute your app :P
[10:03:47] <Teknomancer> JBurton sure
[10:03:56] <Teknomancer> that will be some time later
[10:04:05] <JBurton> later this day ? :P
[10:04:30] <Teknomancer> but even if u DO fnid a bug in CLV .. i wont change to Visions CLV ;-P
[10:04:40] <Teknomancer> later means next year
[10:04:40] <Teknomancer> ;-P
[10:04:58] <Teknomancer> what do u think about Tracker's PoseView ?
[10:05:00] <JBurton> your lose ;)
[10:05:04] <JBurton> well it's not so cool
[10:05:10] <JBurton> at least, I find it too complex
[10:05:20] <JBurton> and too integrated with tracker
[10:05:31] <Teknomancer> well i dont think there are any bugs as such in thiss CLV i'm using
[10:05:48] <Teknomancer> but i have the latest Vision and i found a bug in the User list view
[10:05:49] <JBurton> there are always bugs, it's just that you don't know about them :P
[10:05:53] <Teknomancer> what do u say for that ?
[10:05:53] <JBurton> in every thing, I mean :)
[10:06:11] <JBurton> dunno
[10:06:16] <JBurton> nothing is bug free
[10:06:32] <Teknomancer> so Vision CLV is just as cool as the CLV i'm using right ? ;-PPPPPPP
[10:06:40] <JBurton> no :)
[10:06:46] <Teknomancer> yes
[10:06:49] <JBurton> well I've tried both, you didn't :)
[10:06:56] <Teknomancer> ok
[10:07:07] <Teknomancer> makes no diff to me
[10:07:10] <Teknomancer> i see a bug already
[10:08:20] <Teknomancer> if its the users list is using Vision's CLV that is
[10:08:51] <JBurton> could be a bug in the user list class and not in the CLV :P
[10:08:58] <Teknomancer> hah
[10:09:05] <JBurton> which bug anyway ?
[10:09:06] <Teknomancer> ultimate result is what matters
[10:09:13] <Teknomancer> when i select it ..
[10:09:17] <Teknomancer> i can't see the selected text
[10:09:36] <JBurton> hm okay it's not a bug of the CLV I can assure you :P
[10:09:44] <JBurton> as I use it in an app of mine
[10:09:48] <Teknomancer> and the selection is extended even after the mouse is  let down
[10:11:11] <Teknomancer> are u sure Vision's CLV is the user list ?
[10:11:28] <JBurton> no
[10:11:41] <JBurton> but I guess it is
[10:11:58] <JBurton> well actually, I think that the user list USES the CLV
[10:12:13] <JBurton> i.e. it's probably a subclass
[10:12:14] <JBurton> dunno
[10:12:18] <JBurton> I can't remember
[10:13:28] <Teknomancer> i dont think so
[10:13:35] <Teknomancer> because it flickers like a neon sign
[10:13:38] <Teknomancer> when resizing
[10:13:51] <Teknomancer> and the CLV i'm using has no flickers on resize .. smoooothooo resizes
[10:14:05] <Teknomancer> i think the channel list on the left is what u're talking about
[10:14:12] <Teknomancer> that might be the Vision's CLV
[10:14:34] <Teknomancer> well .. have to go . . ..
[10:14:37] <Teknomancer> more coding to go
[10:14:46] <JBurton> could be
[10:14:49] <JBurton> bye :)
[10:14:53] <Teknomancer> i completed the gzip addon now ..
[10:14:58] <Teknomancer> now i will start work on bzip2
[10:15:03] <Teknomancer> Find->Replace :)
[10:15:26] <JBurton> ahah
[10:15:52] <JBurton> did you use libz for gzip ?
[10:15:57] <Teknomancer> nope
[10:16:01] <JBurton> why not ?
[10:16:02] <Teknomancer> i use gzip
[10:16:06] <JBurton> ah the commandline app
[10:16:09] <Teknomancer> hehe
[10:16:10] <Teknomancer> ;-P
[10:16:24] <Teknomancer> i interface it with my app .. possibly seamlessly
[10:16:36] <JBurton> pipes ?
[10:16:39] <Teknomancer> yes
[10:16:42] <Teknomancer> bye
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[10:18:27] <|pst|> re
[10:21:05] <JBurton> hi |pst|
[10:27:46] <@voidref> use /list to see where Vision uses BCLV
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[10:28:22] <matricks> what is CLV?
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[10:29:22] <JBurton> Column List View, matricks
[10:31:13] <matricks> ohhh :)
[10:31:30] <matricks> sounds nice
[10:40:32] <JBurton> brb coffee
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[11:14:21] <JBurton> re
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[11:34:41] <JBurton> hi BGA
[11:35:06] <@BGA> Hello. :)
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[12:08:10] <JBurton> hey AndrewBachmann
[12:08:17] <JBurton> hey Andrew_Bachmann
[12:09:00] <JBurton> have you got some time to talk, Andrew_Bachmann ?
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[12:23:33] <JBurton> hey mahlzeit
[12:23:51] <JBurton> hmm Andrew_Bachmann I guess you don't have time. Anyway, I'll be off for lunch in 10 minutes
[12:23:54] <JBurton> see ya later in case
[12:24:50] <@mahlzeit> hi JBurton
[12:25:46] * Methe steals mahlzeit's voyels
[12:26:24] <@mahlzeit> what are voyels? i did not know i had any...
[12:26:35] <Methe> a e i o u y ?
[12:27:10] <Soulbender> i think those are vowels
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[12:27:31] <@mahlzeit> y is not a vowel
[12:30:58] <JBurton> isnt' vowels ?
[12:31:15] <@mahlzeit> so, Soulbender, you had a lot of fun with the storms lately?
[12:31:16] <Methe> y is a vowel
[12:31:20] <JBurton> anyway bbl lunch
[12:32:31] <@mahlzeit> hmm, m-w says y is _sometimes_ a vowel
[12:35:41] <Soulbender> oh yeah
[12:35:48] <matricks> y is always a vowel in swedish :)
[12:35:49] <Soulbender> been lots of fun
[12:36:02] <Soulbender> wholesome mayhem and destruction all around
[12:36:10] <Soulbender> a good time was had be everyone
[12:38:30] <@mahlzeit> does that happen a lot over there?\
[12:38:44] <Soulbender> well
[12:38:53] <Soulbender> typhoon's happen every year
[12:39:11] <Soulbender> but usually not as violent as these ones
[12:39:28] <Soulbender> excessive illegal logging doesnt help the situation either
[12:40:27] <@mahlzeit> it>	i can imagine
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[12:49:33] <Soulbender> hmm
[12:49:39] <Soulbender> no matter how smart and educated you are
[12:49:50] <Soulbender> you will still come across as a moron in sms messages
[12:50:17] <@mahlzeit> maybe you aren't as smart or educated as you think :-)
[12:51:21] <Soulbender> heh, i wasnt talkinga about me :P
[12:51:30] <Soulbender> I *know* i'm a moron
[12:52:03] <Soulbender> it's people you know to be smart and articulate people
[12:52:07] <Soulbender> then they send you an sms
[12:52:09] <Soulbender> and you go
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[12:52:35] <Soulbender> wtf?? what are you saying? "B1U WUZ 2 &^#$%#"? are you on crack?
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[12:53:15] <@mahlzeit> heh, indeed
[12:54:02] <@mahlzeit> it's especially worse if they start typing like that in irc and email too
[12:54:38] <Soulbender> yep
[12:54:56] <@mahlzeit> liek "u" and "ur" is teh shit
[12:55:23] <Soulbender> I B U FRNDZ?????
[12:55:30] <@mahlzeit> lol
[12:55:42] <Soulbender> sms will be the downfall of human communcation skills
[12:56:13] <@mahlzeit> it>	i also hate it when - omg - people write lol 10 times in their forum postings - OMFG LOLZOR!
[12:56:14] <Soulbender> there's a movie here named "BCUZ OF U"
[12:56:16] <Soulbender> in capitals
[12:56:21] <Soulbender> the end is nigh
[12:56:56] <@mahlzeit> actually, this makes it easier to separate the morons from the useful people
[12:57:03] <Soulbender> oh, and on forums dont forget to add 10MB's of animated lame picture sigs
[12:57:17] <Soulbender> on EVERY damn post
[12:58:04] <Soulbender> soon someone will add the ability to have flash files as embeded sigs
[12:58:10] <Soulbender> then the world will explode
[12:58:24] <Soulbender> at least i hope it will
[12:58:30] <@mahlzeit> the internet must be fascinating for psychologists
[12:58:48] <Soulbender> "The Internet makes you stupid"
[12:59:29] <Soulbender> http://www.somethingawful.com/
[12:59:30] <Soulbender> :P
[12:59:40] <Soulbender> oooh! a new installment of Horrors of Porn
[12:59:43] <Soulbender> awesime
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[13:16:10] <Teknomancer> new firefox
[13:16:13] <Teknomancer> has been released
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[13:18:51] <Dr3w> Hmmm.. anyone here interested in SPARC hardware?
[13:19:34] <Soulbender> microSPARC?
[13:19:35] <Soulbender> ;)
[13:21:34] <Dr3w> UltraSPARC!
[13:23:15] <matricks> UberSPARC would be ncie :)
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[13:25:43] <Soulbender> microSPARC is where it's at :P
[13:36:55] <JBurton> re
[13:37:29] <Teknomancer> re
[13:37:32] <Teknomancer> whatever that means
[13:37:37] <Teknomancer> regards ?
[13:38:17] <JBurton> returned
[13:38:17] <JBurton> :)
[13:38:38] <Soulbender> retard
[13:38:49] <Teknomancer> hehe
[13:38:55] <JBurton> ahah
[13:39:02] <@mahlzeit> re-hello
[13:39:10] <Teknomancer> mahlzeit !!
[13:39:14] <Teknomancer> mahlzeit long time no see :-)
[13:39:22] <Teknomancer> mahlzeit u probably don't remember me in this nick
[13:39:41] * mahlzeit draws a blank
[13:39:50] <Teknomancer> mahlzeit i was under the nick Somebody before :-)
[13:40:05] <Teknomancer> in beshare ...
[13:40:26] <Teknomancer> remember ?? or do u get a page fault in ur memory ?
[13:40:39] <@mahlzeit> actually, my memory is still blank :-)
[13:40:44] <@mahlzeit> no, i remember ;-)
[13:40:45] <Teknomancer> lol
[13:41:10] <Teknomancer> dont see u around in beshare much anymore
[13:41:25] <@mahlzeit> that's because i don't go to beshare anymore :-)
[13:41:32] <Soulbender> he got smart and decided not to go there anymore
[13:41:36] <Soulbender> as opposed to me
[13:41:38] <@mahlzeit> exactly
[13:41:52] <JBurton> hmm why do you say that Soulbender ?
[13:42:00] <Soulbender> obelix is still good entertainment though
[13:42:13] <Teknomancer> obelix  .. yeah he's still around i think
[13:42:18] <Teknomancer> obelix - round ??
[13:42:20] <Teknomancer> i made a funny
[13:42:21] <Teknomancer> ;-P
[13:42:36] <Teknomancer> oh  i love foghorn leghorn cartoons ;-PPPP
[13:44:24] <Soulbender> draw your own concusions, JBurton
[13:44:25] <Soulbender> :P
[13:44:51] <Teknomancer> or he had a quarrel with obelix ?
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[15:42:55] <JBurton> hmmm AndrewBachmann around ?
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[16:09:45] <JBurton> hmm the channel is pretty dead isn't it ?
[16:10:13] <@mahlzeit> sssh don't want to wake anyone up
[16:10:48] <JBurton> ;O
[16:11:10] <jonaskirilla> JBurton: wake me up when spring gets here ;)
[16:12:26] <JBurton> :)
[16:25:50] <matricks> JBurton: how is that big news coming along?
[16:25:51] <matricks> :)
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[16:33:18] <JBurton> aha
[16:33:22] <JBurton> dunno :)
[16:35:32] <Dr3w> what big news :)
[16:37:15] <matricks> dunno.. JBurton wont say :)
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[16:45:05] <JBurton> matricks btw I thought axel was going to announce it in short time... weird it's taking so much :=)
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[16:45:46] <jonaskirilla> Dell's selling out their PowerEdge 1600 SC (IDE) dual Xeons.. pretty cheap
[16:45:56] <JBurton> hi mmu_man
[16:45:59] * Dr3w nods at mmu_man
[16:46:13] <matricks> JBurton: oh
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[16:46:42] <@mmu_man> ..
[16:46:42] <matricks> JBurton: I've seen his commits lately.. I think I know what's about to be announced :)
[16:47:00] <TuneTracker> does anyone here use gimicq ??
[16:48:50] <JBurton> matricks priv :P
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[16:50:55] <@mmu_man> TuneTracker sometimes
[16:51:12] <Teknomancer> is TuneTracker still being developed ??
[16:51:17] <Teknomancer> haven't heard much about it in the news ...
[16:51:27] <TuneTracker> Teknomancer Oh, it's VERY being developed.  :-)
[16:51:32] <Teknomancer> nice
[16:51:38] <TuneTracker> Just lots happening "under the radar screen" right now.
[16:51:48] <TuneTracker> mmu_man What icq server do you specify?
[16:51:49] <Teknomancer> oh ... hope it does well
[16:51:55] <TuneTracker> Teknomancer Thanks much!
[16:51:59] <TuneTracker> I do too.  :-D
[16:52:12] <Teknomancer> TuneTracker are u Dane from beshare ?
[16:52:36] <@mmu_man> login.icq.com
[16:52:41] <@mmu_man> 5190
[16:52:52] <TuneTracker> hmm...that's waht I've been using...I don't get logged in for some reason.
[16:53:47] <Dr3w> JBurton looks like whatever he is working on is basically done, and he has started code cleaning up....
[16:53:56] * Dr3w looks at what team JBurton is on....
[16:54:06] <Teknomancer> whats that ?
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[16:55:33] <JBurton> there is no team anymore
[16:55:41] <Teknomancer> its just u ..
[16:55:43] <Teknomancer> fightnig till the end
[16:55:45] <Teknomancer> ;-P
[17:02:47] <TuneTracker> Teknomancer Yes, one and the same.
[17:02:53] <TuneTracker> excuse me, gotta run...
[17:02:56] * TuneTracker out
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[17:04:42] <@mahlzeit> brr it's cold
[17:05:05] <Teknomancer> its quiet
[17:05:12] <brennanOS> Im nice and warm in my Norwegian wool sweater
[17:05:35] <Teknomancer> i'm always nice and warm here ... never dips below 32 C ;-P
[17:05:47] <brennanOS> bah... winter makes you tough
[17:05:58] <Teknomancer> winter ?
[17:06:02] <Teknomancer> whats that... ?
[17:06:10] <Teknomancer> we have no winter here ..
[17:06:18] <Teknomancer> we have 3 seasons though
[17:06:35] <@mmu_man> m_eiman reader thread == interface reader thread ?
[17:06:48] <m_eiman> mmu_man: No, the thread in MDR
[17:07:01] <m_eiman> err, mail_daemon
[17:07:04] <@mmu_man> ah ok
[17:07:13] <@mmu_man> then it doesn't have to do with kernel stuff
[17:07:16] <m_eiman> it's the one named after the email account
[17:07:19] <@mmu_man> it's a bug in MDR
[17:07:32] <m_eiman> But the whole system dies when it happens, and that's a kernel/system bug :)
[17:07:47] <@mmu_man> does it ?
[17:07:52] <@mmu_man> what do you mean by die ?
[17:07:56] <@mmu_man> freeze ?
[17:08:09] <m_eiman> I cannot kill the thread, and after a while the other apps stop working properly too
[17:08:27] <@mmu_man> MDR 3.0.0 from bebits ?
[17:08:41] <m_eiman> yes, also the one included in neo
[17:08:52] <@mmu_man> hmm using IMAP or POP ?
[17:08:53] <m_eiman> I was hoping that it wouldn't happen with v3, but it does
[17:08:54] <m_eiman> POP
[17:09:28] <@mmu_man> let me setup an account and try...
[17:10:15] <Koki> m_eiman: mdr works fine here under Zeta, including Neo.
[17:10:18] <m_eiman> I have to go now, but I can add one of the offending emails to the bug in raw format
[17:10:36] <@mmu_man> hmm
[17:10:42] <m_eiman> Koki: Mostly works fine here too, it's just certain emails that cause trouble
[17:10:51] <Koki> what kind of problem>
[17:10:52] <Koki> ?
[17:10:59] <@mmu_man> can you send one to mailto:francois.revol at laposte dot net ?
[17:11:37] <@mmu_man> that one I don't check from there yet
[17:12:08] <m_eiman> mmu_man: I'll see if I cna get one sent directly from the source system, otherwise I'll attach one to a mail and send
[17:12:16] <@mmu_man> k
[17:12:27] <m_eiman> But that'll have to wait a while, gotta go now. Thanks!
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[17:33:01] <Teknomancer> g'nite all
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[19:22:50] <fyysik> hi ppl
[19:26:31] <Dr3w> hey fyysik
[19:28:56] <Dr3w> ok home time!
[19:28:59] <Dr3w> later ppl.
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[19:37:10] <w-ber> http://www.openbsd.com/images/newrack.jpg
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[19:38:21] <fyysik> http://www.bebits.com/bob/18105/mozilla-i586-pc-beos-bone-20041208-1.7a-18.tar.gz
[19:40:13] <w-ber> ah, cool
[19:40:25] <NathanW> Is anyone here using MDR 3?
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[19:57:43] <_jasper_> hi
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[20:14:15] <fyysik> ping
[20:14:32] <lizdeika> point
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[21:17:50] <@AndrewBachmann> it seems our CIA script is broken
[21:18:35] <w-ber> the FBI is investigating...
[21:22:32] <fyysik> hm
[21:23:25] <@AndrewBachmann> fyysik you must multiply before using ceil
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[21:30:26] <@AndrewBachmann> fyysik?
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[21:32:37] <_jasper_> hi
[21:38:24] <@Dr_Evil> fyysik did you use the BSoundPlayer from haiku for multichannel VLC?
[21:51:27] <@mmu_man> http://nosoftwarepatents.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=233 YES!
[22:00:53] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - yup/Older version
[22:01:16] <fyysik> bit correctod to not produce error values in return at destroy
[22:01:36] <fyysik> ok, AndrewBachmann
[22:04:31] <@AndrewBachmann> PONG
[22:04:37] <@AndrewBachmann> :-)
[22:05:15] <fyysik> freenode org problem. Needs activity once in 20 minutes or so
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[22:11:15] <@AndrewBachmann> if you are passing the 3 parameters to mozilla independently I would advise you to do no ceil at all
[22:11:20] <@AndrewBachmann> especially if they take doubles :-)
[22:14:17] <fyysik> Mozilla uses rounded to int versions (so called nscoord type). And has special method nsRoundToNScoord or such for that purpose.
[22:14:44] <fyysik> as all Mozilla code originates from Win 32 actually
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[22:16:24] <fyysik> http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/gfx/src/mac/nsFontMetricsMac.cpp#79 for example
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[22:17:45] <@AndrewBachmann> I see
[22:18:01] <fyysik> in latest build i followed Mac example, rather than Windows or GTK
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[22:22:51] <@mmu_man> http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/09/1321211&tid=184&tid=14 hehe
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[22:26:00] <tic> yah.
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[22:26:30] <tic> it's not like we didn't know that before, thoug.h
[22:26:32] <tic> thogh.
[22:28:22] <fyysik> thanks BG for bloatware which requires Gigahertz CPUs
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[22:29:44] <tic> BG?
[22:29:55] <fyysik> William Gates
[22:30:02] <w-ber> the third
[22:30:36] <_jasper_> 8)))
[22:30:42] <_jasper_> the last ;)))
[22:33:36] <tic> Ah
[22:35:28] <@mmu_man> hopefully =)
[22:35:59] <@Dr_Evil> fyysik you should try the current version
[22:36:05] <_jasper_> i trust in God 8)))
[22:37:05] <@Dr_Evil> fyysik I think I fixed all issuees about 6 week ago
[22:38:26] <tic> Mozilla O3 is pretty cool.  Wish someone would build a Firefox O3
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[22:38:52] <tic> hey thies.
[22:39:06] <thies> ahoyhoy
[22:40:14] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - that's interesting. If only can build it clean. Problem is that VLC always gets lot of sources not only for itself, but for various third-party lib, then patches it at place, because CVS-versions don't build under BeOS.  So you need to be very lucky if it builds:)
[22:40:41] <fyysik> ik>	i think i wil try it at weekend
[22:41:08] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - btw, still no multicahnnel card with BeOS support on your computer?
[22:41:52] <fyysik> tic - how fast O3 starts at second run on your machine? and what is CPU clock there?
[22:42:15] <tic> fyysik, hrm, didn't try starting it twice, actualy.
[22:42:17] <tic> actually.
[22:42:22] <@mmu_man> fyysik ffmpeg should build straight away
[22:42:24] <tic> but first startup was very fast.
[22:42:31] <tic> and redrawing was much much faster
[22:42:34] <@mmu_man> actually asm optimized needs oliver's gcc
[22:43:48] <@AndrewBachmann> yay oliver
[22:44:24] <@AndrewBachmann> hrm anybody here burn a DVD under beos?
[22:44:40] <@mmu_man> need to check if it also fixes that internal gcc crash on pearpc
[22:44:46] <@mmu_man> well I'm off
[22:44:48] <@mmu_man> zzz
[22:45:17] <@AndrewBachmann> g'night
[22:45:22] <fyysik> mmu_man - exactly, this is why i need make clean. As i now have 2.953 as main compiler, and 2.9 and 2.953 objects don't work together sometimes.
[22:47:09] <@mmu_man> thinking about using that XP as build farm at night
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[22:47:46] <fyysik> AndrewBachmann - afaik it is impossible yet to that license problem
[22:48:08] <@mmu_man> license ?
[22:48:22] <@AndrewBachmann> well, there is dvd record for beos and helios claims to support it
[22:48:27] <fyysik> DVD addition to cdrtools is decided to be shareware
[22:48:37] <fyysik> by aothor
[22:48:49] <fyysik> so Linux distros use own home-made patches
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[22:51:12] <@mmu_man> ok, night
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[22:52:08] <@AndrewBachmann> dvdrecord --version
[22:52:09] <@AndrewBachmann> dvdrtools v0.1.4
[22:52:24] <__nitro__> hi
[22:52:27] <@AndrewBachmann> Based on:
[22:52:28] <@AndrewBachmann> Cdrecord 1.11a15 (i586-pc-beos)
[22:56:54] <fyysik> http://www.bebits.com/talkback/3964
[22:59:20] <@AndrewBachmann> last time I tried to burn a DVD using helios it borked when making the image file
[22:59:25] <YNOP> anyone here run beos on a P4 w/ HT ?
[22:59:31] <@AndrewBachmann> even though I had the free space, it couldn't create the file
[22:59:34] <@AndrewBachmann> bfs bug I guess
[23:01:56] <@AndrewBachmann> I still can't figure out helios interface
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[23:03:42] <slaad> Yeah, not sure I care for Helios
[23:03:54] <slaad> Although, I've burnt more CDs reliably with it.
[23:04:07] <@AndrewBachmann> I keep giving it a chance but walk away unsatisfied
[23:04:14] <_jasper_> my friend burned DVD with it
[23:04:17] <@AndrewBachmann> OTH BurnItNow! never fails me
[23:04:18] <slaad> What else are you going to use though?
[23:04:39] <slaad> I don't think I've used that...
[23:04:43] <slaad> Or maybe I have.
[23:05:16] <w-ber> AndrewBachmann: you just described my experience with BeOS in general...
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[23:05:40] <@AndrewBachmann> heh
[23:06:19] <tic> slaaaaaaaaaaaaaad
[23:06:38] <slaad> tiiiiiiiic
[23:07:27] <fyysik> AndrewBachmann - Helios-es after 1.4 don't work for me at all in image creation mode. Only in streaming mode.
[23:07:50] <fyysik> 1.4 works with image creation fine, but don't work with streaming
[23:08:08] <fyysik> tried various burners, various motherboards - all the same
[23:08:25] <@AndrewBachmann> aha!  the missing link!
[23:08:52] * AndrewBachmann has Helios 1.71b2
[23:09:36] <fyysik> haha, occasional feature with my last Mozilla build - enable tooltips there, if not yet, put mozilla windows to background and hold mouse at some point which should raise tooltip!
[23:10:06] <fyysik> tooltip raises, but also brings main window on top
[23:10:31] <fyysik> so, like those special raise tools from bebits:)
[23:11:08] <_jasper_> 8)))
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[23:33:58] <fyysik> .
[23:35:22] <w-ber> ,
[23:37:48] <@AndrewBachmann> ;
[23:38:08] <_jasper_> ;)
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[23:45:20] <_jasper_> good night
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[23:51:47] <+CIA-5> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc.c: corrected some colorspace related info, added first 3D specific comments
[23:51:48] <+CIA-5> shatty * current/src/kits/interface/BTextView/TextView.cpp: do not block program-invoked edits when read-only
[23:55:06] <+CIA-5> darkwyrm * current/src/kits/app/Application.cpp: Submission of Stefano's BApplication patch - archiving support





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