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[00:14:58] <Dr3w> anyone here ever worked with Sun's OBP, in terms of getting an OS to boot with it?
[00:15:21] <Dr3w> geist: are you around?
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[00:18:10] <tarzeau> Dr3w: sure
[00:18:14] <Racer__X> nice nasa.gov:)
[00:18:35] <Dr3w> tarzeau: have you?
[00:19:27] <tarzeau> Dr3w: i've booted netbsd, debian, solaris, openstep on those
[00:19:36] <tarzeau> but i can't read mind
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[00:20:44] <Dr3w> Have you ever written the equivilent of an x86 bootsector for one?
[00:21:30] <tarzeau> Dr3w: i don't understand your question
[00:21:48] <tarzeau> if i use grub?
[00:22:20] <ShackaN> nasa!?
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[00:22:54] <w-ber> hmm, that's one cool hostname
[00:24:19] <Dr3w> tarzeau - no, if you have written your own mini-os for one.
[00:24:35] <tarzeau> Dr3w: no i haven't
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[02:28:51] <CIA-5> axeld * current/src/apps/bin/listattr.cpp: Removed unneeded include.
[02:34:24] <CIA-5> axeld * current/src/apps/bin/catattr.cpp: (log message trimmed)
[02:34:24] <CIA-5> Improved error messages (and how they are done).
[02:34:24] <CIA-5> No longer locks the file during attribute retrieval.
[02:34:24] <CIA-5> No longer needs libbe.so.
[02:34:24] <CIA-5> Added support for some additional types.
[02:34:25] <CIA-5> Will no longer try to read in a 4GB attribute - at max, it will read
[02:34:27] <CIA-5> 64 kB from an attribute. Also changed output style of the raw data
[02:35:00] <CIA-5> axeld * current/src/apps/bin/Jamfile: "catattr" no longer needs additional libraries.
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[03:15:25] <CIA-5> axeld * current/src/kernel/libroot/os/fs_attr.c:
[03:15:25] <CIA-5> fs_read_attr() and fs_write_attr() transferred bytes from/to the provided
[03:15:25] <CIA-5> file descriptor, not from/to the attribute...
[03:15:25] <CIA-5> Added ToDo comment about eventually adding syscalls for these functions.
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[04:44:45] <CIA-5> axeld * current/src/apps/bin/addattr/ (6 files):
[04:44:45] <CIA-5> Brought "addattr" command into shape, and got rid off a lot of
[04:44:45] <CIA-5> weird stuff - and libbe.so; it now uses the attribute functions
[04:44:45] <CIA-5> as exported by libroot.so :)
[04:44:45] <CIA-5> Improved handling of boolean values, improved error messages a lot.
[04:46:41] <CIA-5> axeld * current/src/apps/bin/addattr/main.cpp: messages.h no longer exists.
[04:51:41] <CIA-5> axeld * current/src/apps/bin/addattr/main.cpp: I can even mess up command line parsing :)
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[05:19:00] <CIA-5> axeld * current/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/ (Attribute.cpp Attribute.h Jamfile kernel_interface.cpp):
[05:19:00] <CIA-5> Enabled full attribute support under the Haiku kernel.
[05:19:00] <CIA-5> It's not as clean as it could, but it works for now.
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[09:21:58] <tic> hey emwe
[09:22:12] <emwe> eijo. morning tic!
[09:22:34] <tic> emwe, any progress on the 'kit?
[09:23:17] <emwe> (yes)
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[09:46:05] <matricks> hmm... axeld works hard
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[10:16:28] <|pst|> re
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[12:21:51] <sys2> ive noticed that axeld is committing to other stuff then the kernel .. does that mean that the kernel is "fully" operational? ;>
[12:22:50] <Dr3w> I think he has always worked on other stuff, but just not as often.
[12:23:03] <Dr3w> didn't he do a load of work on the file system with BGA?
[12:25:53] <sys2> Please report any bugs that you may discover via our bug tracker. For any other necessity, please feel free to contact us through the Haiku Mailing List. <-- so then how about making the bug tracker actualy work? :P
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[13:49:06] <@Korli> sys2 axeld is fixing things depending on kernel features we want to test, the kernel cannot be tested by itself
[13:49:37] <sys2> true :>
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[14:15:09] <Dr3w> Hey Korli
[14:15:26] <Dr3w> do you remember some guys in here interested in Haiku and SPARC hardware?
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[14:56:59] <m_eiman> anyone got a BeTeX zip lying around? the link on bebits is dead.
[14:57:23] <Konrad> m_eiman have you checked bezip.de?
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[14:58:43] <m_eiman> It's not on bezip :/
[15:01:20] <Konrad> m_eiman on Beshare you willl find tetex etc
[15:01:47] <m_eiman> Only one person has betex, and he's firewalled too, so I can download from him
[15:04:22] <Konrad> m_eiman but you need the aditional package aswell,. thats just the frontend
[15:08:28] <m_eiman> I've got the other packages, it's just the editor I'm looking for
[15:27:44] <@Korli> Dr3w if any i don't remember
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[15:53:48] <@Korli> hey mahlzeit
[15:53:55] <@mahlzeit> hi Korli
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[16:43:10] <stippi> !list
[16:43:22] <stippi> ups
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[16:48:14] <AtomoZero> uhm sorry what is the command for upgrade the haiku source?
[16:48:32] <@mahlzeit> cvs update
[16:48:41] <AtomoZero> uhm
[16:49:31] <AtomoZero> atomozero@Zetacer:~/Desktop/haiku# cvs update
[16:49:32] <AtomoZero> cvs update: in directory .:
[16:49:33] <AtomoZero> cvs [update aborted]: there is no version here; run 'cvs checkout' first
[16:49:39] <@Dr_Evil> cvs checkout
[16:49:41] <@Dr_Evil> is better
[16:49:44] <@mahlzeit> do you already have a copy of the sources?
[16:49:50] <AtomoZero> yes
[16:50:27] <@mahlzeit> how did you get those sources, with cvs checkout?
[16:51:20] <AtomoZero> ok whit cvs checkout works
[16:51:22] <AtomoZero> thx
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[20:18:00] <@AndrewBachmann> anybody know patrick lafarguette
[20:19:25] <@mahlzeit> not me
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[20:24:01] <@AndrewBachmann> I'm very happy to discover his 3c920 driver
[20:24:49] <@AndrewBachmann> it works on two of my machines so far, a dell inspiron 4100 laptop and a dell precision 530 desktop
[20:25:16] <@mahlzeit> hey i have a 4100 too
[20:25:18] <@AndrewBachmann> tonight I may try it on my shuttle pc with nforce 2 chipset
[20:25:41] <@AndrewBachmann> I was going to give him some money but the paypal page came up in french :-P
[20:26:13] <@AndrewBachmann> I guess I can just use the email address from that page though
[20:26:32] <@AndrewBachmann> if the driver works with my home box then I will be very excited to dump some money his way :-)
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[20:31:25] <Dr_Evil> AndrewBachmann where is this driver? This machine has a nforce2 chipset,
[20:31:35] <Dr_Evil> and a Intel gigabit card :)
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[20:56:08] <tic> hey geist.
[20:56:14] <tic> Dr_Evil, resumed downloading?
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[20:57:25] <@geist> hi tic
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[21:14:01] <Dr_Evil> tic yes, I got 8 to 30, downloading a few music videos now. thank you very much
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[21:19:32] <tic> Dr_Evil, no problem.
[21:19:46] <tic> question of today: I got some IRC spam, but the URL doesn't work: http://www.theonanistscorner.com/movies.htm
[21:19:50] <tic> why paste it, then?
[21:27:38] <Dr_Evil> perhaps the spam bot is running on a worm infected computer with backdoor, so noone is there to stop it
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[21:35:13] <@AndrewBachmann> Dr_Evil it is on bebits
[21:35:24] <@AndrewBachmann> or just google for 3c920, and it is hit #1 here
[21:36:12] <@AndrewBachmann> perhaps we can get the code donated to haiku
[21:36:30] <tic> Hm, might be.
[21:36:41] <Konrad> The driver needs improvement, I suspect it locked my system (cardid 9201 )
[21:37:06] <@AndrewBachmann> did it work at all?
[21:37:15] <Konrad> AndrewBachmann it did, for some time
[21:37:42] <Konrad> then suddenly my Desktop freezed ( and contininued to do so until I removed the driver )
[21:37:44] <@AndrewBachmann> how long is some time
[21:37:57] <Konrad> Ah, days counting..
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[21:38:15] <@AndrewBachmann> that doesn't seem to make much sense
[21:38:16] <Konrad> It could be something else that interfered with the settings or something, I dunno
[21:38:22] <@AndrewBachmann> or did you leave it up for several days straight
[21:38:36] <Konrad> AndrewBachmann No I didnt
[21:40:03] <Konrad> Doesnt bone do ifconfig up or something during init of the desktop? ( depending on your computer speed?)?
[21:41:04] <@AndrewBachmann> dunno
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[21:56:11] <Dr_Evil> night
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[22:08:03] <mytho> whatever happened to a native beos web browser?
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[22:08:14] <@AndrewBachmann> netoptimist?
[22:08:25] <@AndrewBachmann> netpositive+ ?
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[22:08:41] <@AndrewBachmann> some others I forget
[22:08:43] <@mahlzeit> themis?
[22:09:43] <mytho> yeah, are any of those being activly worked on?
[22:09:48] <|pst|> Themis.
[22:10:05] <|pst|> I guess it would be easier to finish haiku than themis...
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[22:11:08] <mytho> how hard would it be to port khtml engine (one that macos x uses) to beos and then write a webbrowser for it?
[22:11:34] <mmadia> ia>	i was half-arsed working on porting a rendering engine.   though my coding talents are pretty lame.
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[22:12:40] <mytho> how far is themis so far? is it usable?
[22:12:43] <mmadia> the best candidates are KDE/Qt's gecko emdebbing port  or GTK's webcore port.
[22:13:28] <|pst|> Sadly enough, the themis people are not interested in doing that. They write their rendering engine for pure fun. No way to change their mind.
[22:14:13] <@AndrewBachmann> yeah how tragic that someone would code for just fun ;-)
[22:14:17] <mytho> haha
[22:14:18] <mmadia> |pst| true, but it should be feasible to wrap themis around either engine.
[22:14:42] <w-ber> lol, AndrewBachmann
[22:16:33] <mytho> mozilla/firefox stuff is so damn slow, and it doesn't fit with the rest of the beos desktop
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[22:17:01] <|pst|> Andrew: The interesting thing is, that they all know very well that they can't finish it. They just don't care :-)
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[22:18:10] <fyysik> hi ppl
[22:18:28] <fyysik> new gcc 2.953 is fine! - http://bebits.com/bob/18105/mozilla-i586-pc-beos-bone-20041208-1.7a-18.tar.gz Thanks to Oliver!
[22:18:29] <@mmu_man> Bill knows he will never finnish windoze and get it working
[22:18:32] <@mmu_man> doesn't stop him :)
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[22:18:46] <@AndrewBachmann> another release!  oliver's out of control! :-D
[22:18:51] * mmu_man goes dl
[22:19:15] * MYOB is a sick, perverted freak, apparently
[22:19:21] <MYOB> I'm using OSX....
[22:20:44] * mmu_man slaps MYOB
[22:21:02] <MYOB> thanks mmu_man
[22:21:08] <MYOB> I needed that
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[22:24:46] <@mmu_man> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=9106 they dig the pit of BeOS, they used Be engineers like throwaway tissues...
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[22:24:51] <@mmu_man> all that to get there ?
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[22:25:54] <@mmu_man> or maybe theregister is doing a joke again
[22:26:07] <MYOB> Anyone know if theres a Unizone or Ozone port for OSX?
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[22:26:41] <mmadia> MYOB according to Karina``, just javashare.
[22:28:01] <Konrad> fyysik the build you pasted renders alot faster than firefox
[22:28:17] <Konrad> And it starts instantly here (almost)
[22:32:23] <BePage> I had the impression that FF renders things like mouse-over-effects of any sort way slower than mozilla
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[22:33:48] <mytho> firefox starts slower than mozilla on my box
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[22:34:19] <@mmu_man> n8
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[22:34:46] <MYOB> did someone say something to me just as I left? XChat made the icon go rad
[22:34:48] <MYOB> red*
[22:35:30] <@mmu_man> nope
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[22:37:53] <fyysik> Konrad - it should. 1)O3 optimization 2)GFX patches still not in tree
[22:38:13] <Konrad> Ah
[22:38:35] <fyysik> MYOB - long time now see! Need your help
[22:38:58] <MYOB> err, OK... what you want me to do?
[22:39:10] <fyysik> MYOB - do you have AC/DC adapter for your Fuji FinePix 2600?
[22:40:06] <MYOB> no. I have an external battery charger that Fuji gave me
[22:41:42] <fyysik> ahh, that bad. I'm trying to guess max output current for that 3V adapter
[22:41:55] <fyysik> nowhere to get such simple info
[22:42:19] <MYOB> weird that they don't let you know... I've got a similar problem with an old AST laptop
[22:42:32] <MYOB> no way to find out if its positive tip or negative tip
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[22:43:31] <MYOB> sorry I can't be any help with that
[22:44:03] <fyysik> :(
[22:44:15] <mytho> do you guys know why the new ide replacement driver wouldn't detect my promise 133tx2 adapter?
[22:44:37] <MYOB> 'new' IDE Replacement? e.g not the 2-years-old one
[22:45:33] <mytho> no, i'm talking about the 2-years-old-new-ide-replacement-driver :)
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[22:47:28] <mytho> i have 2 promise controllers...one of them is built into the motherboard
[22:47:50] <mytho> none of them are detected by the driver
[22:48:12] <MYOB> try contacting Thomas - theres a promisetx driver in the tree which I guess he wrote
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[22:50:57] <mytho> i'll have to do that
[22:50:58] <mytho> thanks
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[22:54:43] <phoudoin> Hi.
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[22:55:15] <phoudoin> Woa. Every ever BeOS's user is here.
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[22:57:23] <DC1> tried to turn off PlugAndPlay in the BIOS?
[22:59:21] <@AndrewBachmann> anybody know about using wireless in net server?  I heard less than encouraging things
[22:59:50] <phoudoin> AndrewBachmann: there is not that much wifi drivers currently.
[22:59:51] <fyysik> AndrewBachmann - read about dead of 5 NASA workers today in LA car accident
[22:59:59] <@AndrewBachmann> 3
[23:00:02] <@AndrewBachmann> afaik
[23:00:07] <@AndrewBachmann> JPL people
[23:00:45] <@AndrewBachmann> say anybody know patrick lafarguette?
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[23:08:05] <phoudoin> AndrewBachmann: well, alas no, he doesn't seems to show up in french beos community.
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[23:09:31] <@AndrewBachmann> wondering if he would respond better to a request from me or a request in french (from someone whose french is better than mine)
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[23:14:50] <phoudoin> AndrewBachmann: I think he don't mind if it's thru an english mail...
[23:15:07] <@AndrewBachmann> mind != respond better :-)
[23:16:01] <phoudoin> Oh. Yes, that's right.
[23:16:12] <phoudoin> I should go. Bye.
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[23:26:52] <fyysik> .
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[23:34:43] <sl44d> Yeah! You tell 'em fyysik
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[23:44:31] <fyysik> ?
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[23:44:48] <fyysik> AndrewBachmann - do you have any machine with BONE installed?
[23:45:18] <fyysik> !ChanServ seen koki
[23:45:28] <fyysik> ! seen koki
[23:45:45] <@AndrewBachmann> I have one machine that I can't get bone off of
[23:45:48] <@AndrewBachmann> yet
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[23:45:52] <Dr3w> lol
[23:46:01] <Dr3w> AndrewBachmann has a machine that he can get bone off....
[23:46:12] <Dr3w> sooo many jokes and inuendo's...
[23:46:17] <Dr3w> bone
[23:46:21] <Dr3w> b o n e
[23:46:25] <Dr3w> ok, enough.
[23:46:26] <fyysik> ahh, i just searching from someone who can test if Inline Japanese Input Method works in my last build
[23:46:28] <Koki> hi fyysik
[23:46:32] <@AndrewBachmann> ok I will test
[23:46:35] <Koki> I am here
[23:46:36] <@AndrewBachmann> chinese
[23:46:36] <fyysik> hi Koki
[23:46:49] <Koki> long time not see fyysik. how have you been?
[23:46:51] <fyysik> Chinese is OK too
[23:47:25] <Koki> I can test if fyysik. where can I download it from?
[23:47:28] <@AndrewBachmann> it is usable
[23:47:38] <fyysik> Koki - not so bad. Got US visa, filed admission for CU International House in NYC
[23:47:52] <fyysik> new gcc 2.953 is fine! - http://bebits.com/bob/18105/mozilla-i586-pc-beos-bone-20041208-1.7a-18.tar.gz Thanks to Oliver!
[23:48:08] <fyysik> Koki - read notices in BeZilla blog and at bebits
[23:48:15] <Koki> oki>	ok
[23:49:03] <@AndrewBachmann> seems it works okay fyysik
[23:49:09] <fyysik> Koki - i advise you to install it separately from those moder FireFoxen if possible
[23:49:14] <@AndrewBachmann> if you want it to look more like BTextView then you could look at the code in haiku
[23:49:24] <fyysik> Inline Input, Andrew?
[23:50:13] <fyysik> AndrewBachmann - yeah, i thought about JackBurton's idea to borrow font caching from BTextView code
[23:50:55] <@AndrewBachmann> yes
[23:50:59] <@AndrewBachmann> but it works ok
[23:54:30] <Koki> fyysik, inline input seems to work ok.
[23:55:29] <fyysik> have you any font with japanese NAME installed, Koki? (internal name)
[23:55:40] <Koki> let me see
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[23:56:15] <Koki> No, I don't. I can post a message on JPBE.net, if you want.
[23:57:36] <fyysik> ok.  More testing - better quality:)
[23:57:57] <Koki> OK, will do.
[23:58:52] <Koki> fyysik: one problem that this build still has (which has been fixed in the recent Firefox builds) is the incorrect positioning of the caret when writing in Japanese.
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[23:59:33] <fyysik> ahh, very interesting!
[23:59:45] <fyysik> i'm intrigued again





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