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[13:11:39] <@mmu_man> gahh
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[13:38:11] <tic> wrongtime!
[13:38:25] <tic> err, timetime!
[13:38:33] <tic> (or? what's mahl mean?)
[13:38:47] <tic> (noch einmal in German, but that's probably not the same)
[13:39:19] <mumu25> ?
[13:39:28] <tic> nevermind.
[13:39:38] <@mahlzeit> mahlzeit>	mahl = meal
[13:40:37] <tic> ah.
[13:40:48] 
[13:41:02] <@mahlzeit> how would i know? i don't speak swedish ;-)
[13:41:30] 
[13:41:49] <tic> almost like the vocal in "naught"y
[13:42:04] <@mahlzeit> yeah that's it
[13:42:19] <@mahlzeit> no wait it isn't
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[13:42:31] <@mahlzeit> it>	it depends on your english/american dialect :-)
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[13:42:40] <@mahlzeit> accent even
[13:45:00] <tic> english.
[13:45:04] <tic> brittish english.
[13:47:23] <TuneTracker> Hi mahlzeit, tic
[13:48:03] <TuneTracker> Procton
[13:48:16] <tic> hey tt
[13:48:20] * tic heads for school
[13:48:50] <TuneTracker> Anybody know what "hyperthreading" is?  How does it differ from "multithreading?"
[13:49:14] <Konrad77> Its a Processor Tehnology
[13:49:22] <Konrad77> from Intel
[13:49:29] <sys2> TuneTracker, it allows the cpu to run two simultainous threads
[13:49:33] <sys2> like you have two cpus
[13:49:38] <tic> TuneTracker, it's like they have a dual CPU, but it's really not.
[13:49:39] <Konrad77> It emulates 2 cores
[13:49:47] <Konrad77> But its not really working that well
[13:49:53] <TuneTracker> ah
[13:50:02] <Konrad77> Wait for the new generation CPUs which will have 2 actually cores
[13:50:05] <TuneTracker> The new "Extreme" chip is supposed to have it, they say.
[13:50:22] <Konrad77> And BeOS doesnt support it
[13:50:28] <TuneTracker> ker>	k
[13:50:46] <TuneTracker> What's its potential, for improved performance?
[13:51:23] <Konrad77> 30% improvement maybe in apps thats uses it
[13:51:33] <Konrad77> tomshardware.com should have a good explaination and tests
[13:51:34] <TuneTracker> Ah, that's significant, for high-bandwidth stuff especially.
[13:51:49] <TuneTracker> Konrad77 I'll have a look...thanks!
[13:52:00] <TuneTracker> bbl
[13:52:04] <Konrad77> It has a FSB of 800 Mhz that does alot
[13:52:19] <Konrad77> The new one has over 1 Ghz
[13:52:51] <tic> TuneTracker, all new P4s have HT.
[13:53:10] <TuneTracker> tic Which makes them non-BeOS compatible I assume right?
[13:53:12] <tic> TuneTracker, but it's not at all like a dual CPU. It's just so the system can potentially use an unused part of the CPU.
[13:53:26] <TuneTracker> oic
[13:53:26] <Konrad77> TuneTracker they work, but BeOS doesnt use HT tech.
[13:53:36] <Konrad77> They work without patches even
[13:53:56] <Konrad77> The earlier ones didnt work, but 533 FSB modell
[13:53:57] <TuneTracker> Konrad77 that's a good thing!  :-)
[13:54:17] <tic> TuneTracker, and as you don't have any more speed on a HT CPU than a non-HT CPU, you don't really gain much.  You could think of it as a way to enforce fine-grained multi-threading; I doubt it'd make a difference on BeOS at all.
[13:54:19] <Konrad77> Hmm the 533 Mhz FSB modell
[13:55:22] <TuneTracker> tic As long as BeOS will still run on the machines, that's the bigee, right?  :-)
[13:55:25] <Konrad77> The 2.4 HT is faster than my AMD 2800+.. if that gives you a better picture
[13:55:49] <TuneTracker> Konrad77 Running Windows, you mean?
[13:55:51] <Konrad77> TuneTracker voted for Bush yet?
[13:55:55] <Konrad77> TuneTracker no, BeOS
[13:55:58] <TuneTracker> Konrad77 I'm not sayin'  :-)
[13:56:03] <tic> Konrad77, but a 2.4 GHz HT isn't really faster than a non-HT 2.4 GHz
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[13:56:20] * matricks can't vote for either of em
[13:56:22] <TuneTracker> tic are you putting Konrad77 up to things?  :-)
[13:56:26] <@mahlzeit> so, exciting day today, eh :-)
[13:56:31] <Konrad77> tic it is.. when you use the technology
[13:56:38] <TuneTracker> mahlzeit It is...and I'll be GLAD when it's over.  :-)
[13:56:42] <tic> Konrad77, yeah, but not by much.
[13:56:47] <Konrad77> Read tomshardware tests..
[13:57:09] <tic> Konrad77, yeah, I've checked. But it's basically about utilizing the unused core parts.  I think a fine-grained multi-threading model could achieve basically the same thing.
[13:57:24] <Konrad77> If you say so
[13:57:36] <Konrad77> I dont care, I use AMD
[13:57:40] <tic> I mean, you _can't_ get more CPU cycles out from CPU X just by dividing it in to two logical CPUs; it's still only one physical :)
[13:57:42] <tic> hehe.
[13:57:44] <tic> I use a P3-500 :)
[13:57:46] <tic> so same here
[13:57:53] <@mahlzeit> this is the first time i'm actually interested in the outcome of us elections :-)
[13:58:01] * TuneTracker thinks he started an interesting discussion here.
[13:58:03] <TuneTracker> mahlzeit where are you in the world?
[13:58:09] <@mahlzeit> TuneTracker: in the netherlands
[13:58:12] <Konrad77> mahlzeit why, You mean you would vote for Bush ( for world peace )
[13:58:12] <TuneTracker> ker>	k
[13:58:24] <tic> okay, now I _really_ got to go.
[13:58:27] <tic> Tata
[13:58:27] <TuneTracker> me too
[13:58:33] <TuneTracker> later!
[13:58:35] * TuneTracker out
[13:59:11] * matricks wants a dual core HT opteron chip.. and two of them... ROAR
[13:59:30] <matricks> or just a Power5 :)
[13:59:50] <Konrad77> Why stop there.. why not world domination?
[14:00:52] <matricks> oh.. I'll go for that
[14:00:59] <matricks> and clay pigons
[14:02:35] <JBurton> re
[14:02:44] <Konrad77> Hi JBurton
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[14:03:33] <@mahlzeit> today is doubly exciting here: some asshole brutally murdered an important filmmaker this morning
[14:03:51] <JBurton> ?!?
[14:03:56] <Konrad77> mahlzeit where is?
[14:04:03] <[Beta]> I heard about that.. on Amsterdam's streets.
[14:04:07] <Konrad77> here ios
[14:04:13] <Konrad77> Damn flat keyboard
[14:04:28] <Konrad77> Ah Holland
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[14:05:23] <@mahlzeit> yeah
[14:07:42] <Konrad77> I think bush will win.. even if I hope for Nader
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[14:11:06] <@mahlzeit> nader winning doesn't sound very realistic :-)
[14:14:05] <Konrad77> true
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[14:52:40] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/GetDeviceInfo.c: added NV40-45 recognition for accelerant device info struct.
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[14:56:11] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/neomagic/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fixed GET_TIMING_CONSTRAINTS and GET_ACCELERANT_DEVICE_INFO accelerant hooks to return valid data, updated CRTC modeline validity checks for one more variable.
[14:56:35] <JBurton> oh finally :P
[14:56:52] <JBurton> I've been wondering why BScreen::GetDeviceInfo() always returned B_ERROR
[14:58:35] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/neomagic/ (UPDATE.html driver.c nm.settings): fixed VGA BIOS ROM dump to file option, updated docs, updated default settings.
[15:00:01] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/neomagic/DriverInterface.h: removed matrox cardID's.
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[15:05:50] <@mmu_man> <shameless plug> http://www.bebits.com/app/3000 </shameless plug>
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[15:07:04] <JBurton> aaaaargh
[15:07:06] <JBurton> :)
[15:07:39] <mumu25> i prefer vim :)
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[15:14:23] <adioanca> hi JBurton
[15:14:36] <JBurton> hey adioanca
[15:14:47] <JBurton> I was writing a reply to your message to the list :P
[15:15:22] <adioanca> cool
[15:15:33] <adioanca> that's you I entered IRC
[15:15:45] <adioanca> I'll wait for that message then...
[15:15:50] <adioanca> :-D
[15:16:30] <adioanca> "that's why I entered IRC"
[15:17:47] <JBurton> eheh
[15:18:14] <@mahlzeit> so do they have a winner yet?
[15:18:19] * mahlzeit can't wait
[15:20:56] <JBurton> adioanca sent :P
[15:21:06] <JBurton> mahlzeit I'm almost sure G.W.Bush will win again
[15:21:26] <@mahlzeit> bah
[15:21:37] <@mahlzeit> he didn't win last time :-)
[15:21:40] <JBurton> ahahah
[15:21:41] <JBurton> true
[15:21:54] <mumu25> hehe
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[15:34:33] <adioanca> :-))
[15:34:33] <adioanca> JBurton: not to happy about my proposal
[15:34:33] <adioanca> :-))
[15:34:33] <adioanca> eh?
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[16:07:12] <@Korli> JBurton
[16:07:17] <@Korli> i>	i finally got the debug log
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[16:36:58] <JBurton> Korli oh, nice
[16:39:27] <JBurton> Konrad77 sorry btw, was away :P
[16:40:18] <JBurton> grr I mean Korli
[16:40:22] <JBurton> damn Konrad77
[16:40:24] <JBurton> ^_^
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[16:49:24] <JBurton> hi Dr_Evil
[16:49:28] <@Dr_Evil> hi
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[17:26:09] <JBurton> hey BGA
[17:27:49] <@BGA> JBurton: Hey! 'up?
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[17:31:00] <JBurton> BGA nothing, and you ? :
[17:31:01] <JBurton> :)
[17:32:28] <JBurton> I see you are now more famous than Bill Gates, BGA :P
[17:34:39] <@BGA> JBurton: LOL! You mean I was not before Kansai? :)
[17:35:16] <JBurton> BGA :P
[17:35:32] <JBurton> well, you are MUCH more famous than him, then :P
[17:35:54] <@mahlzeit> although you could lose some weight :-)
[17:36:07] <JBurton> hmmmm
[17:36:17] <JBurton> is he the guy who was at the center of every picture ?
[17:36:29] <@mahlzeit> admit it, there is a little beer belly :-)
[17:36:33] <JBurton> he doesn't look as one who needs to lose weight
[17:36:49] <JBurton> hey, who doesn't have one ? :P
[17:36:54] <@mahlzeit> true
[17:37:00] * [Beta] makes some noise.
[17:37:03] <JBurton> (me)
[17:37:03] <JBurton> :)
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[17:42:11] <JBurton> bye all
[17:42:14] <@mahlzeit> ciao
[17:42:14] <JBurton> ciao mahlzeit :P
[17:42:17] <@Korli> anyone knows how to use a named pipe in windows ?
[17:42:23] <@Korli> bye JBurton
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[17:43:18] <@mahlzeit> tried it once, didn't get it to work :-)
[17:44:01] <@mahlzeit> however, msdn has plenty of info about it
[17:44:09] <@Korli> virtual pc sends debug output to a named pipe
[17:44:26] <@Korli> i>	i thought something like hyperterminal could do it
[17:44:27] <@Korli> but no
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[18:05:52] <jonaskirilla> are all of you using Oliver's new gcc+binutils?
[18:06:53] <jonaskirilla> for some reason I can't build a working jam that doesn't crash at startup
[18:07:49] <jonaskirilla> or, having switched back to the old gnupro tools,  StatCacheServer  won't build
[18:08:21] <@Korli> jonaskirilla i don't
[18:08:37] <jonaskirilla> Korli: ok
[18:08:40] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/neomagic/driver.c: updated ROM dump to be 64Kb instead of 32Kb: now we have the full thing.
[18:10:21] <jonaskirilla> I'll try another checkout
[18:12:19] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/neomagic/DriverInterface.h: updated ROM copy to be 64kB so we have it fully.
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[18:29:42] <sys2> ahh rudolfc isnt only a nvidia graphic card hacker? :>
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[18:32:09] <@mahlzeit> isn't he?
[18:33:58] <sys2> seems he hacks on neomagic now also ?>:
[18:34:00] <sys2> :>
[18:34:18] <@mahlzeit> oh, i missed the "nvidia" part of what you said :-)
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[18:42:32] <@mahlzeit> Methe!
[18:42:51] <Methe> mahlzeit!
[18:42:55] <Methe> what's up mate ?
[18:43:12] <@mahlzeit> it>	i just received a bunch of cd's i ordered - they are great!
[18:43:21] <Methe> ah
[18:43:24] <Methe> what are they ?
[18:43:36] <@mahlzeit> all cd's are from the czars
[18:43:43] <@mahlzeit> http://www.theczars.net
[18:44:51] <Methe> u bought all their CDs at once ?
[18:45:00] <@mahlzeit> not all of them :-)
[18:45:31] <@mahlzeit> they are an indie band, and i don't mind supporting those
[18:45:48] <Methe> kk
[18:46:02] <Methe> gonna dl the mp3 on the website and see :D
[18:46:09] <Methe> by now I'm listening to the radtio
[18:46:21] <Methe> http://www.erreur404.org/radio404.pls
[18:46:27] <@mahlzeit> so who did you bet on? bush or kerry :-)
[18:46:37] <Methe> I bet Bush will win
[18:46:39] <@mahlzeit> yeah you gave me that radio link before
[18:46:42] <Methe> but I would have voted for Kerry
[18:46:57] <Methe> I voluntereed for Kerry when I was in US this summer
[18:47:23] <Methe> but Bush will win
[18:47:25] <@mahlzeit> ah, what did you do?
[18:47:31] <Methe> he>	he will do all tricks he can to do so
[18:47:45] <Methe> and I assume some big money behind him will do the same
[18:47:58] <Methe> Bush = Goebbels in a matter of propaganda
[18:48:26] <matricks> how is the vote going? who is winning? :)
[18:48:30] <@mahlzeit> uh oh, now i got him started :-)
[18:48:34] <tic> hey people
[18:48:56] <[Beta]> 'lo
[18:49:33] <Methe> when I woluntereed I paste wood sticks onto some big "Kerry" hard-sheet
[18:49:40] <Methe> I don't know the nbame in english
[18:49:57] <Methe> it's something u move near your face to make wind and fresh air
[18:50:16] <@mahlzeit> fans?
[18:50:24] <Methe> yeah
[18:50:26] <@mahlzeit> like the chinese use?
[18:50:27] <Methe> hand-fan
[18:50:30] <Methe> yup
[18:50:34] <Methe> but those were square
[18:50:42] <@mahlzeit> like kerry :-)
[18:50:42] <Methe> with on one side a big Kerry logo
[18:50:54] <Methe> and on the other size a kerry vs Bush
[18:51:57] <Methe> when will we know that Bush has won ?
[18:52:14] <[Beta]> hours away, none of the polls have closed yet.
[18:52:22] <Methe> ok
[18:52:24] <@mahlzeit> last time it took 36 days
[18:52:33] <jonaskirilla> just wait for the big nothing to happen
[18:52:55] <dipp> :(
[18:52:59] <Methe> well, the screwing up will be even more hidden than last time
[18:53:05] <Methe> just look at how peeps vote
[18:53:13] <Methe> with their new machine automatic
[18:53:22] <Methe> All votes go to a private company
[18:53:26] <Methe> which says the result
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[18:53:44] <jonaskirilla> they should have used BeIA... ;)
[18:53:48] <Methe> and it happens (oh man what a coincidence) this company is republican
[18:54:12] <@mahlzeit> and the moon landings were fake too :-)
[18:54:26] <Methe> ahah
[18:54:35] <Methe> let me see if I'm lucky enough to find the link
[18:54:37] <Methe> just 4 u
[18:54:57] * mahlzeit doesn't care
[18:57:04] <Methe> arf
[18:57:06] <Methe> anyway
[18:57:11] <Methe> I was just like u when reading it
[18:57:12] <Methe> :D
[18:57:37] <@mahlzeit> you don't vote with computers in france?
[18:57:57] <Methe> I only trusted it after talking to someone that follows all that things more than I do (ex employeed @ UN )
[18:58:00] <Methe> no we don't
[18:58:20] <Methe> but now they vote with machines that look like ATM
[18:58:21] <Methe> I mean
[18:58:23] <Methe> even last week
[18:58:58] <Methe> in "Le Monde", maybe the biggest political press in France said the voting was very long due to the time people had to spent on how the machine worked
[18:59:25] <@mahlzeit> here you just press one button and that's it
[18:59:42] <Methe> :o
[18:59:46] <Methe> yeah and ?
[19:00:10] <@mahlzeit> how hard can that be?
[19:01:08] <jonaskirilla> perhaps they should try using papershredders.. just insert your vote
[19:01:28] <jonaskirilla> no buttons, no counting
[19:01:38] <Methe> ahah
[19:01:44] <Methe> mahlzeit I dunno but it seems to be
[19:02:08] <@mahlzeit> if people can't work these machines, they shouldn't be allowed to vote in the first place :-)
[19:02:48] <Methe> ...
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[19:03:10] <HotPlasma> Hey ppl
[19:03:13] <HotPlasma> anything new?
[19:03:16] <jonaskirilla> hey HotPlasma
[19:03:21] <HotPlasma> JONAS!!!
[19:03:25] <jonaskirilla> heh :)
[19:03:34] <jonaskirilla> been a long time!
[19:04:30] <Methe> I think we're not far from a new record of peeps in this chan
[19:04:35] <Methe> 52
[19:04:45] <HotPlasma> Methe not really new
[19:04:50] <@mahlzeit> CIA-6 isn't really a peep
[19:04:56] <HotPlasma> Im an in-active oldie
[19:05:15] <@mahlzeit> nor is ChanServ for that matter
[19:05:25] <Methe> mahlzeit well just like u're not really an admin
[19:05:30] <Methe> :x
[19:05:38] <Methe> I'm just saying 52 is a big number !
[19:05:38] <@mahlzeit> i'm not even a real human
[19:05:43] <HotPlasma> lol
[19:05:48] <HotPlasma> mahlzeit that is funny
[19:05:49] <Methe> mahlzeit: u should be happy of that
[19:06:01] <@mahlzeit> Methe: you better believe it :-)
[19:06:51] <Methe> I do.
[19:07:32] <Methe> it's only a matter of definition anyway
[19:07:51] <@mahlzeit> it>	i have an #undef HUMAN
[19:08:18] <Methe> ahah
[19:08:30] * Methe pets mahlzeit
[19:08:35] * mahlzeit purrs
[19:08:39] <sys2> HotPlasma, if you listen to his beliefs you will also think he is not a real human :P
[19:08:48] * HotPlasma vomits
[19:08:51] <sys2> ok ok .. i will not fight mahlzeit again ;P
[19:09:10] * HotPlasma knows better
[19:09:10] <@mahlzeit> heh good idea :-)
[19:09:25] <sys2> it just ends up fucking up my day becouse im so god damn angry over how stupid a human being can become ;>
[19:09:35] <@mahlzeit> hah hah, you were angry?
[19:09:43] <sys2> mahlzeit, not realy :>
[19:09:45] <@mahlzeit> good :-)
[19:09:56] <sys2> mahlzeit, but i feel the whole day after even a small fight how i just want to kick something to hell ;P
[19:10:20] <sys2> damn this C# stuff is complicated :P
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[19:10:26] <@mahlzeit> that is because deep down inside you know you were wrong :-)
[19:10:35] <sys2> mahlzeit, pfft :>
[19:10:48] <sys2> you go around think that if it gets you hard... ;P
[19:11:17] * sys2 is realy trying real hard to figure out how the heck binding beos to C# would look like and how to get it work :P
[19:11:47] <sys2> so far ive had minor success, BArchivable seems to work, dunno about the "design" tho, BHandler can take, set and get the name .. more i dunno :P
[19:12:40] <tic> mahlzeit, read Dive into Python yet?
[19:12:45] <@mahlzeit> yep
[19:12:57] <tic> mahlzeit, so... what'd you think the fuss was all about? ;)
[19:13:20] <@mahlzeit> hmm
[19:13:30] <@mahlzeit> python is cool, no doubt
[19:13:38] <tic> yay :)
[19:13:42] <@mahlzeit> but it's not exactly earth-shattering either
[19:13:44] * sys2 guesses he has to implement BMessage to even be able to try BArchivable out :/
[19:13:50] <sys2> and BMessage is HUGE :/
[19:14:09] <dipp> start coding u lazy bum bum..
[19:14:11] <@mahlzeit> unfortunately for my purposes it doesn't make a lot of sense to use python
[19:14:12] <tic> mahlzeit, true.  it's just Done Right (... in most cases; there are no perfect language)
[19:14:15] <sys2> dipp, i will i will :>
[19:14:19] <tic> mahlzeit, okay.. which are your purposes?
[19:14:20] <dipp> :>
[19:14:30] <@mahlzeit> tic: selling shareware
[19:14:41] <@mahlzeit> and it sucks having to bundle an interpreter with your downloads
[19:14:42] <sys2> but the biggest success so far is the BAlert i managed to push into the screen from C# :>
[19:15:10] <dipp> sys2: screenshot of the wonders?
[19:15:42] <sys2> http://sys2.mine.nu/files/screen4.jpg
[19:16:40] <tic> mahlzeit, true. Still; should yT fix their broken Python install, you'd be sure to have it installed everywhere :)
[19:16:52] <@mahlzeit> tic: i'm not talking about beos/zeta shareware :-)
[19:16:54] <sys2> atleast its posible .. its just to manage to come up with a C# design that allows for the flexibility and as close as pisble mimics the classes in BeOS :>
[19:16:56] <tic> mahlzeit, or, if you use windows, you can use the py2exe which binds python and libs to your app.
[19:17:13] <@mahlzeit> tic: ah nice, how much larger would that make the app?
[19:17:17] * BGA pets his own pretty screenshot. http://bga.bug-br.org.br/Zeta.png
[19:17:18] <@BGA> :)
[19:17:26] <HotPlasma> BGA!
[19:17:38] <@BGA> HotPlasma!
[19:17:46] <dipp> sys2: looks great!
[19:17:46] <tic> mahlzeit, just the size of Python.exe and Python.lib (or what they use on Windows, not sure), and the size of your source.
[19:18:00] <@mahlzeit> tic: hmm cool, i'll look into that :-)
[19:18:07] <tic> mahlzeit, http://starship.python.net/crew/theller/py2exe/
[19:18:31] <sys2> zeta looks so not beos :P
[19:19:02] <brennanOS> BGA: Your screenshot is being #haiku'ed
[19:19:08] <sys2> dipp, i just hope some people start trying to make stuff for beos so that it might be a good thing for the OS and not a forgotten relic :/
[19:19:14] <HotPlasma> Hey... does the new Media Kit support upsampling yet to kill the robotic sound stuff?
[19:19:33] <dipp> sys2: hopefully
[19:19:33] <@BGA> brennanOS: Yeah. I have only a lowly 256 kbps upload link here so... :P :)
[19:19:37] <HotPlasma> (only having 48KHz output)
[19:20:46] * sys2 found a small class to "port" ... BDataIO it would take about 10secs ;P
[19:21:00] <sys2> an interface class ;>
[19:21:39] <[Beta]> eww @ the desktop paper
[19:21:52] <brennanOS> BGA: cool pic
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[19:22:26] <HotPlasma> anyone know about my question?
[19:23:07] <@mahlzeit> not me
[19:23:12] <@BGA> brennanOS: Thanks. :)
[19:23:19] <HotPlasma> hmm
[19:23:23] <@BGA> WHat was the question?
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[19:23:36] <Methe> [19:19] <HotPlasma> Hey... does the new Media Kit support upsampling yet to kill the robotic sound stuff?
[19:23:36] <HotPlasma> AC97 driver
[19:24:03] <HotPlasma> and new media kit... does it still only support 48KHz output on certain cards?
[19:24:17] <@BGA> Hmmmmm... I have no idea. I can check though... What I know for sure is that it comes with a high quality downsampler.
[19:24:22] <@BGA> upsampling is usually easier. :)
[19:24:51] <@BGA> Nov 02 18:24:51 <@BGA>	No need for quadratic interpolation or something. :)
[19:24:51] <HotPlasma> hmm
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[19:25:04] <HotPlasma> Does it mean things are better than when I left BeOS at the beginning of this year?
[19:25:41] <@BGA> HotPlasma: Wait. Are you sure you do not mean downsampling? I guess the media kit will, by default use the native card sampling rate... Usually 48khz for modern cards...
[19:25:58] <HotPlasma> I guess
[19:26:03] <@BGA> But if you request 44.1 Khz it will probably automatically downsample it...
[19:26:07] <HotPlasma> I know in XP it works flawlessly
[19:26:21] <@BGA> Using your selected method of downsampling (available in the media preferences panel).
[19:26:24] <HotPlasma> In BeOS it always sounded a bit funky
[19:26:32] <HotPlasma> right... then again I was using PhOS
[19:26:35] <@BGA> Options are:
[19:26:37] <@BGA> Drop Sample
[19:26:41] <HotPlasma> The "other" Dano
[19:26:47] <@BGA> Linear Interpolator
[19:26:57] <@BGA> Tri-linear Interpolator
[19:27:05] <@BGA> Cubic Interpolator
[19:27:12] <@BGA> Sinc Interpolator
[19:27:27] <@BGA> Sinc Interpolator with Low Pass Filter.
[19:27:31] <@BGA> The last one rocks. :)
[19:27:34] <HotPlasma> hmm
[19:27:37] <HotPlasma> you know I didnt have ANY of those options before
[19:27:44] <HotPlasma> I think I only had drop sample
[19:28:03] <@BGA> HotPlasma: Well, The SZeta media kit is not exactly the same as the R5 media kit nor the MKB1.
[19:28:16] <HotPlasma> right
[19:28:25] <HotPlasma> I dont plan on using Zeta though
[19:28:26] <@BGA> It is actually a finished MKB1. :)
[19:28:30] <HotPlasma> lol
[19:28:35] <HotPlasma> that is amazing
[19:28:48] <@BGA> Well, that's fine with me. I am just explaining why I have those oprions.
[19:28:58] <HotPlasma> so you have Zeta right?
[19:29:08] <@BGA> HotPlasma: I better do. I work for yT. :)
[19:29:12] <HotPlasma> lol
[19:29:24] <[Beta]> ha. nice one HotPlasma.
[19:29:46] <HotPlasma> Hey... keep in mind have been off the scene for quite some time
[19:30:47] <HotPlasma> besides BGA wouldnt that be confilct of interest because of the NDA you probably had to sign (that is if you are still with haiku)
[19:31:41] <@BGA> HotPlasma: Not really. I am actually allowed to work on Haiku, as long as I don't use any yT stuff on it.
[19:32:00] <HotPlasma> cool
[19:32:06] <HotPlasma> how about yT inspired stuff :P
[19:32:07] <@BGA> And I am not the only Haiku member working for yT. :) You would be amazed. :)
[19:32:28] <HotPlasma> I know Ithamar  was
[19:32:46] <@BGA> HotPlasma: It is a matter of common sense. If I think I can't use something, I won't.
[19:32:52] <HotPlasma> lol
[19:33:20] <@BGA> Ithamar left haiku because he wanted to. And it was pre-yT if I am not mistaken.
[19:33:44] <HotPlasma> umm.... I dont know about that
[19:34:03] <@BGA> Anyway, mmu_man is also with yT now.
[19:34:06] <HotPlasma> because when I was still getting print-kit emails he was very active and was a member of yT
[19:34:12] <HotPlasma> NO WAY!!
[19:34:18] <@BGA> Way. :)
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[19:35:31] <HotPlasma> wow... I have missed alot
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[19:35:51] <@BGA> Former Be CEO named chairman of PalmSource http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20041102_113423.html
[19:35:52] <@BGA> PalmSource, manufacturer of the Palm operating system, has named Jean-Louis Gassee Chairman of the Board. The 60-year old Gassee will follow Eric Benhamou, who announced in August his intent to resign.
[19:36:08] <HotPlasma> right
[19:36:12] <HotPlasma> I just read that today
[19:37:35] <@BGA> Ah, yes... Frans (Refraction, SampleStudio) is also with yT. :)
[19:37:47] <HotPlasma> figures
[19:38:07] <HotPlasma> gosh its like the borg... resistance if futile
[19:38:10] <HotPlasma> is**
[19:38:46] <@BGA> So, you mean it is a bad thing we are getting paid to work on BeOS? I tend to disagree with you. :)
[19:38:59] <HotPlasma> I didnt mean it like that
[19:39:26] <HotPlasma> it was more like a year ago... when I thought the general conscensus was yT was the enemy
[19:40:56] <tic> hah
[19:41:31] <jonaskirilla> I guess the devs doing the work have always been the least vocal ones
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[21:37:30] <matricks> hmm
[21:37:52] <matricks> anyone know how to burn the beosonline's BeOS Dev Edition on OS X?
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[21:49:51] <CIA-6> ejakowatz * current/docs/develop/app/bmessage.txt:
[21:49:51] <CIA-6> Clarified the format, in particular with regard to how 'mini' vs. 'maxi'
[21:49:51] <CIA-6> data effects field sizes.
[21:51:51] <nPHYN1T3> any one want to help with perl_sdl?
[21:52:29] <@mahlzeit> what is the problem?
[21:52:38] <nPHYN1T3> it simply won't build
[21:53:02] <nPHYN1T3> I'd like to try to builf frozxen bubble but the perl_sdl makefile fails right away
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[21:53:15] <@mahlzeit> what is the exact error message?
[21:53:18] <nPHYN1T3> Makefile:385: *** missing separator.  Stop.
[21:53:26] <@mahlzeit> ahlzeit>	ah fun
[21:53:36] <nPHYN1T3> I've never made a make file so I don't have the slightest
[21:53:41] <@mahlzeit> maybe the line endings are wrong
[21:54:13] <nPHYN1T3> i figured maybe copying the makefile from a webpag gibbed some of the formatting or something
[21:54:45] <@mahlzeit> try this from a terminal: td -d '\r' <Makefile >Makefile2
[21:54:57] <@mahlzeit> uh, tr instead of td
[21:55:02] <nPHYN1T3> k
[21:55:20] <nPHYN1T3> same thing
[21:55:27] <@mahlzeit> yeah but did you use Makefile2 now?
[21:55:36] <@mahlzeit> make -f Makefile2  (i think)
[21:55:47] <nPHYN1T3> ya
[21:56:06] <nPHYN1T3> I just deleted the first one & renamed the second
[21:56:07] <@mahlzeit> ok
[21:56:12] <@mahlzeit> so is this makefile for beos?
[21:56:14] <nPHYN1T3> I have a back up of the original a directory up any how
[21:56:15] <nPHYN1T3> ya
[21:56:44] <@mahlzeit> what is line 385?
[21:56:46] <nPHYN1T3> but I haven't heard of any one getting this working
[21:56:56] <nPHYN1T3> cc -E -c $(PASTHRU_INC) $(INC) \
[21:57:21] <@mahlzeit> it>	i think mmu_man ported this a long time ago, but maybe that was only for zeta?
[21:57:31] <nPHYN1T3> ya
[21:57:34] <nPHYN1T3> he did
[21:57:38] <@mahlzeit> well, that line doesn't help me
[21:57:46] <nPHYN1T3> but never publically released it
[21:57:59] <@mahlzeit> i'm afraid i can't be of much further assistance
[21:58:11] <nPHYN1T3> np thanks for the try
[21:58:24] <nPHYN1T3> I have a few things that never build here
[21:58:29] <nPHYN1T3> I wish I knew why
[21:58:47] <@mahlzeit> because it's software, that's why :-)
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[21:59:45] <nPHYN1T3> heh
[22:00:04] <nPHYN1T3> I can't find any one else that's tried to build this stuff either
[22:01:28] <nPHYN1T3> <beleeted>
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[22:34:21] <fyysik> is shatty same as AndrewBachmann ?
[22:34:24] * fyysik forgot
[22:35:42] <CIA-6> ejakowatz * current/headers/private/app/MessageField.h: (log message trimmed)
[22:35:42] <CIA-6> A-6>	A number of bug fixes. In particular:
[22:35:42] <CIA-6> -6>	- only one byte was being used for total data length in a data field
[22:35:42] <CIA-6> which had 'maxi' size data (total data > 255 bytes), rather than the
[22:35:42] <CIA-6> correct four bytes.
[22:35:42] <CIA-6> -6>	- Seem to have finally nailed the proper algorithm for calculating data
[22:35:44] <CIA-6> item padding (four size bytes + bytes of data, padded to 8-byte
[22:36:41] <CIA-6> ejakowatz * current/src/kits/app/Message.cpp: Added clarifying comments and a bit more error checking
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[22:59:02] <[Beta]> :o
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[23:00:06] <Koki> slaad!
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[23:01:54] <slaad> Koki!
[23:01:56] * slaad got your email
[23:02:18] <fyysik> http://www.palmsource.com/press/2004/110104_board.html
[23:02:23] <fyysik> heh
[23:02:36] * Koki waits for slaad's reply
[23:03:12] <slaad> Heh. I'd hardly say he has a "Proven record"
[23:03:28] <Koki> "...he has a proven record of successfully building and growing companies."
[23:03:51] <Koki> ehem, I wonder if Be Inc. counts in JLGs' successful record...
[23:03:52] <slaad> I wonder how much money he pulls in these days
[23:04:11] <SDO> not much, other than the 14 million he got from the 23 million, about 1.4 million on a 10% SP index
[23:04:16] <SDO> He ain't hurting
[23:04:40] <SDO> anyone here a wget masta
[23:05:00] <fyysik> Koki - successful in collecting venture money and living without real profit for 12 years:) not so bad record, heh
[23:05:17] <@Korli> SDO i used it a bit a while ago :)
[23:05:22] <SDO> he is one of the most famous of all scammers
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[23:05:40] <SDO> Korli, how would I get all the URL pdf files from a site using wget?
[23:09:58] <slaad> I'd hardly say he was a scammer.
[23:10:09] <@Korli> SDO -r -np --accept pdf,html
[23:10:39] <quittt> http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/11-02-2004/0002351610&EDATE
[23:10:49] 
[23:11:07] <Koki> fyysik: if that is what Palm considers success, then they are screwed. :-)
[23:12:41] <SDO> wget -r -l 1 -A pdf -nd
[23:12:53] <SDO> googled for "download pdf files using wget"
[23:13:05] <SDO> http://mia.ece.uic.edu/~papers/etc/msg00017.html
[23:13:10] <SDO> no wonder google stock is worth 52 BILLION USD
[23:13:18] <@Korli> -l 1 gives only first level of pdf files :)
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[23:19:10] <BetaMax> :|
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