March 26, 2015 
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March 26, 2015 [00:41:32] *** asmeurer has joined #fink[00:43:26] *** mischi has quit IRC[01:02:26] *** asmeurer has quit IRC[01:39:24] *** finkVC has quit IRC[02:17:24] *** Yakeson_chihiro has joined #fink[02:32:14] *** akh has quit IRC[02:40:26] *** finkVC has joined #fink[02:40:26] <finkVC> danielj7: dists/10.7/stable/main/finkinfo/devel gnulib.info[02:40:26] <finkVC> New upstream gnulib 20150324.[02:41:24] *** tris has quit IRC[02:59:12] *** tris has joined #fink[03:01:33] <howarth> shouldn't the gnulib package have an InfoTest based on https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Testing/Gnulib[03:10:59] *** asmeurer has joined #fink[03:12:22] <finkVC> danielj7: dists/10.7/stable/main/finkinfo/devel gnulib.info[03:12:24] <finkVC> Put gnulib-tool in %p/share/gnulib since things expect it there.[03:12:26] <finkVC> Put symlink to it in %p/bin.[03:20:46] *** asmeurer has quit IRC[04:07:29] *** amacks has quit IRC[04:11:43] *** akh has joined #fink[04:13:39] * akh is _so_ glad I broke and had to 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#fink[13:31:43] * cirdan yawns[13:35:27] *** Yakeson_chihiro has quit IRC[14:17:22] *** mischi has joined #fink[14:18:57] *** mischi has quit IRC[14:25:18] *** Yakeson_chihiro has joined #fink[15:14:32] *** amacks has joined #fink[15:17:06] *** TheSin has joined #fink[15:17:06] <Chanbot> All hail my mighty and rightful ruler![15:25:49] *** mischi has joined #fink[15:31:41] *** mischi has quit IRC[15:38:19] *** finkVC has joined #fink[15:38:20] <finkVC> dmacks: experimental/dmacks/finkinfo/gnome glib2-shlibs.info, glib2-shlibs_self-assign.patch[15:38:20] <finkVC> more warnings resolved[15:53:11] *** mischi has joined #fink[15:56:04] <finkVC> danielj7: (3 files in 1 dir)[15:56:05] <finkVC> New upstream fontforge 20150228.[15:56:16] *** mischi has quit IRC[15:57:57] *** Yakeson_chihiro has quit IRC[16:18:50] <dmacks_away> In git, if I know a commit ID, how do I produce the diff or patch that it represents?[16:19:55] <cirdan> git show ID[16:20:00] * cirdan guesses[16:20:11] <dmacks_away> ah yup thx[16:20:21] <cirdan> google is my friend[16:20:23] <Chanbot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-NOZU2iPA8[16:56:23] *** mischi has joined #fink[17:03:42] *** mischi has quit IRC[17:15:17] *** schwehr has joined #fink[17:45:37] *** mischi has joined #fink[18:07:21] *** mischi has quit IRC[18:09:10] *** akh has joined #fink[18:13:44] *** mischi has joined #fink[18:14:50] *** mischi has quit IRC[18:52:45] *** TheSin has quit IRC[18:56:08] *** finkVC has quit IRC[19:00:22] *** schwehr has quit IRC[19:00:27] *** asmeurer has joined #fink[19:10:38] *** asmeurer has quit IRC[19:40:52] *** TheSin has joined #fink[19:40:53] <Chanbot> All hail my mighty and rightful ruler![20:00:23] <akh> Bleh, passwd-core was waiting all night for me to enter something.[20:01:40] <akh> I’d be in favor of being less conservative at this point, since it’s way easier to deal with user accounts than it was back on 10.2 :-)[20:03:32] <cirdan> akh: gotta bring my debconf back from the dead[20:03:58] <akh> Zombie debconf…[20:03:59] <cirdan> have it a default yes, and a low-mid priority, then debconf wont ask[20:04:03] <akh> Yeah[20:09:23] *** amacks has quit IRC[20:34:14] <howarth> heh[20:34:24] <howarth> didn't know about cores for debugging[20:34:31] <howarth> https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=61250[20:35:19] <howarth> the pch test cases fail randomly on gcc 5 but aren't executed in a way you can easily reproduce manually[20:35:38] <howarth> turns out that -dH will cause a cores file in /cores[20:36:02] <howarth> and Apple gdb can load that into the debugger along side of the cc1plus program[20:36:08] <howarth> to backtrace, etc[20:53:58] *** mischi has joined #fink[21:12:39] <mischi> howarth: Thanks for taking care of lua5*[21:12:57] <howarth> no problem[21:14:11] <howarth> I wonder if they really need those so version bumps[21:14:26] <howarth> if they are just adding calls they can just increase the compatibility level[21:15:48] <howarth> http://www.lua.org/manual/5.3/readme.html#changes[21:15:58] <howarth> looks mainly to be new calls[21:20:06] <howarth> https://ca.news.yahoo.com/lufthansa-ceo-says-co-pilot-had-break-training-140150203--finance.html[21:20:43] <howarth> sounds a bit odd to me... why would a pilot trainee shift over to being a flight attendant and that is considered normal for Lufthansa[21:21:33] <howarth> if they knew the guy had issues, I bet they are in cover your ass mode now[21:24:28] <howarth> it is interesting that they thought far enough ahead here in the US that 2 flight crew members have to stay in the cabin[21:24:55] *** schwehr has joined #fink[21:28:33] *** danielj has joined #fink[21:42:32] <danielj> PulseAudio actually works on OS X now. Just finishing up packaging. This could open up a bunch of audio packages.[21:47:20] <mischi> if someone is really determined to commit suicide, it is very hard to stop him/her.[21:47:56] <mischi> but the focus seemed to be too much on possible terrorists.[21:48:11] <howarth> according to DailyMail he was placed in the flight attendant position due to depression[21:48:52] <howarth> if they that is at all true, Lufthansa has some significant exposure[21:49:47] <howarth> although I suspect Germany isn't as litigation happy as here in the US[21:50:58] <mischi> there is more in advance regulation here and less severe liability in afterplay.[21:51:27] <howarth> where you end up with crap like huge penalties in Texas against Apple that end up getting vastly reduced on appeal[21:52:02] <howarth> they just had one of those last month for a suite filed by a patent troll[21:52:11] <mischi> to some extend the different history explains it.[21:52:38] <mischi> US would never have got anywhere with in advance regulations like in EU.[21:53:06] <howarth> yeah, going back to Bismarck, labor-industry harmony was a big goal[21:53:22] <howarth> to keep the socialists in check[21:54:00] *** amacks has joined #fink[21:54:07] <mischi> even further back.[21:54:25] <mischi> without the correspoding certificate you were not allowed to do business.[21:54:55] <mischi> which works with a small degree of mobility/immigration.[21:55:08] <howarth> here they consider it winning the lottery[21:55:58] <howarth> as if those costs don't just get returned back on the average citizens back[21:57:13] <mischi> i find the explicit naming of the copilot and identifying his parents an unexcusable move of the daily mail.[21:57:43] <howarth> some sites were claiming he was only 27[21:58:02] <howarth> there was a time that you couldn't be a pilot until you were 30[21:58:30] <howarth> although we have the advantage of a huge military pilot poll that Germany doesn't have[21:59:14] <howarth> so most of those guys stay in the military long enough to accumulate some government pension before the leave for private industry[21:59:34] <howarth> I looked it up[21:59:55] <howarth> wikipedia shows the Luftwaffe with 29,052 personal whereas the US Air Force has 332,854 military, 185,522 civilian, 71,400 reserve and 106,700 air guard[22:00:30] <howarth> not even counting coast guard and marine pilots[22:01:12] <mischi> you think that military personal of in less danger to perceive a depression?[22:01:32] <mischi> or → are[22:01:52] <howarth> our current rules are they two flight crew members are required in the cabin at all times[22:02:04] <howarth> so they would have to overpower another person[22:02:35] <mischi> which is not impossible for someone to be determined to commit suicide.[22:02:43] <howarth> you may have noticed all the European carriers are suddenly adopting that rule[22:02:50] <mischi> yes.[22:03:34] <howarth> I wonder if the newer planes would have made it that easy[22:03:39] <mischi> hard to say, whether it really prevents such a thing or it is simply to comfort customers.[22:03:48] <howarth> I thought they said it was a 25 year old plane[22:04:18] <mischi> the hard lock of the cabin door has been put into place after 9/11.[22:04:27] <howarth> one site claimed that additional data came in showing the co-pilot set the lower boundary on the autopilot to 100 feet[22:05:20] <mischi> as much as i read the reason for the break being a depression came from a former friend.[22:05:21] <howarth> one would think the latest models would have more non-overridable safeties[22:05:56] <howarth> one site claimed a significant find in his room in the parents home[22:06:07] <mischi> well, too much focus on outside evil and too little to inside.[22:06:29] <mischi> lufthansa pilot tests are supposed to be top notch.[22:06:53] <mischi> but as little as i know, a depression can get someone very quickly.[22:07:04] <danielj> Grr, damn Yosemite linking bug.[22:07:17] <howarth> yeah, I saw they were angry with the investigation claiming they were jumping the gun[22:07:39] <howarth> the Lufthansa pilots[22:08:54] <mischi> other initial comments suspected an error in the fly-by wire system.[22:09:04] <mischi> obviously wrong.[22:09:18] <howarth> it was all over the place[22:09:36] <mischi> i think the next days will show more hard evidence and less speculation.[22:09:43] <howarth> they thought it could have been a cracked windshield causing cabin pressure loss in the front[22:10:47] <mischi> a depression is usually an out for a pilot and means a shift to ground service.[22:11:01] <howarth> anytime they see a quick descent, they think cabin pressure loss[22:11:56] <howarth> especially when the aircraft is 25 years old[22:12:04] <mischi> not unreasonable, though.[22:12:24] <mischi> comments here all agreed that 25 years is nothing.[22:12:45] <mischi> the take the completely apart every other year.[22:12:53] <mischi> the → them[22:13:31] <mischi> the complete wiring is exchanged for example.[22:14:50] <mischi> i get fairly angry about calling the copilot a mass murderer.[22:15:41] <mischi> if the reason is really such a severe depression, he was not himself any longer.[22:22:28] *** finkVC has joined #fink[22:22:28] <finkVC> danielj7: dists/10.7/stable/main/finkinfo/sound libpulse0.info[22:22:28] <finkVC> New package pulseaudio 6.0.[22:24:32] *** schwehr has quit IRC[22:24:37] <mischi> the 2 person rule reminds me of the 100ml liquid rule. Business must go on and customers feel comfortable.[22:25:06] <mischi> the most dangerous part of a flight still remains the drive to the airport ;-)[22:25:08] <danielj> Depression sucks which is why I loves me some escitalopram.[22:25:10] *** schwehr has joined #fink[22:31:50] *** schwehr has quit IRC[22:42:25] <howarth> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/security-experts-say-us-rules-aim-to-prevent-lone-pilot-scenario/2015/03/26/ee240db8-d3cc-11e4-ab77-9646eea6a4c7_story.html?hpid=z1[22:42:53] <howarth> that is interesting as it claims the US pilots have their own secret ways to get through a locked door[22:45:55] <howarth> I would tend to believe it as ex-military pilots aren't likely to accept not being in total control[22:47:56] *** TheSin{Ti} has joined #fink[22:50:32] *** TheSin has quit IRC[22:58:13] <mischi> how do they deal with the fly-by-wire concept of airbus?[23:12:15] <danielj> Hmm, can’t push to Github. Apparently they had a DoS today.[23:17:43] <Murr> I sense a great disturbance in the force. As if 50 million repos failed a pull and fell silent[23:23:05] <dak180> mischi: the first thing i thought when i saw that story was aneurysm; since that can kill really fast and may not have any warning signs at all[23:23:06] <dak180> assuming you are talking about what i think you are anyway[23:24:55] <mischi> but the copilot seem to have willingly looked the door with a procedure only thought to keep out terrorists.[23:26:09] <Murr> I've been wondering at how willing the investgators were to throw the copilot under the bus[23:26:26] <Murr> either they have really strong evidence, or they're quite unprofessional[23:27:45] <mischi> the voice recorder is said to be indicative.[23:28:34] <dak180> mischi: my understanding is that once the plane taxis that door is locked that way unless someone is actively going through it[23:29:48] <mischi> what has been going on seems to be more complex.[23:32:00] <mischi> pilot left for a pee. coming back: door locked. tried to open with secret key, but copilot had hard locked it by extra procedure.[23:34:26] *** TheSin{Ti} has quit IRC[23:44:36] *** akh has quit IRC[23:48:11] *** akh has joined #fink