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[00:00:52] <setsunafseisei> in the .project file where does the attribute <natures> comes from
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[00:01:47] <setsunafseisei> where under preferences you add a nature?
[00:02:31] <reSpawn> Hello, I'm trying to get into linux kernel device drivers development with eclipse. I've been following this tutorial http://www.on5di.com/~noel/eclipse/kernelmodules.html , but for some reason, the auto complete is not working. Do you guys have any suggestions? What I should check/something ?
[00:03:24] <briandealwis> reSpawn: check the ~cdt-faq ? it might have something
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[00:03:24] <Arbalest> Looking for all of the answers related to CDT, or just most of them?  Check out the mighty CDT-FAQ (http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/CDT/User/FAQ).
[00:03:33] <nitind> setsunafseisei: Add a nature to what?
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[00:04:55] <rcjsuen> setsunafseisei: You don't.
[00:11:25] <setsunafseisei> nitind: hey, to an only project on my SVN
[00:12:12] <setsunafseisei> nitind: when I create a new project the buildspec is there and the nature is present
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[00:13:11] <setsunafseisei> rcjsuen: thanks
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[00:20:51] <reSpawn> http://wiki.eclipse.org/HowTo_use_the_CDT_to_navigate_Linux_kernel_source , it says here: "It will take about 20 minutes or so to complete. " but nothing happens to me. Any ideas?
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[00:25:48] <reSpawn> well, I just figured out that I don't have CDT
[00:26:08] <reSpawn> it does not work without CDT, right?
[00:26:17] <iondiode> reSpawn: correct
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[00:26:51] <reSpawn> it works now! thanks anyway!
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[00:36:21] <setsunafseisei> how do i add a linked resource?
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[00:38:54] <rcjsuen> make a new file/folder, then use the adv section
[00:39:51] <nitind> Rather, while making a new file.folder, use the advanced section of the wizard page.
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[00:41:30] <setsunafseisei> what about an existing project? I checked out  a proj from svn and i want to add a linked resource
[00:42:06] <setsunafseisei> brb
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[00:42:25] <setsunafseisei> got to rush home but i will ask this question later
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[01:14:29] <moqq> anyone know why (on indigo) might my Git team label decorations never/rarely/inconsistently seem to update? half of them are outdated or just aren't even getting decorated at all. refreshing the packageExplorer/navigator doesn't help
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[01:24:41] <rcjsuen> it can be kind of slow for me
[01:24:47] <rcjsuen> personally I just resort to the command line/the staging view
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[01:43:33] <setsunafseisei__> okay back
[01:44:40] <setsunafseisei__> I have a sdocml file that I need to use for my preexisting projects on my SVN  how do I set it as a linked resource?
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[02:03:18] <iondiode> setsunafseisei__: use the same process described above by rcjsuen except say new file-> then click advanced to link to file in FS
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[02:04:02] <setsunafseisei__> iondiode: but for an existing project?
[02:04:41] <iondiode> setsunafseisei__: yes , this is from the project explorer whatever directory in the project you want this file to exist in
[02:05:12] <setsunafseisei__> iondiode: i see
[02:06:43] <setsunafseisei__> iondiode: but can i link a whole directory to that file? Do I have to perform that same procedure all the time in order to use that linked resource?
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[02:08:11] <iondiode> setsunafseisei__: you can link a directory or a file, if you are trying to link a lot of files to the root directory of your project then yes you have to do it for each file, is this something you want other people to use (will they be importing this eclipse project)
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[02:09:22] <iondiode> setsunafseisei__:  I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "all the time" , each time you import a project ? or create a project? or open a project?
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[02:11:56] <setsunafseisei__> iondiode: each time i import a project/checkout a project from SVN
[02:12:09] <setsunafseisei__> and I want to edit a file
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[02:12:35] <setsunafseisei__> I want to make use of that sdocml file used as a resource
[02:12:35] <iondiode> setsunafseisei__: is the svn project an eclipse project?
[02:13:08] <setsunafseisei__> iondiode: technically it is, but tell you the truth its aptana
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[02:13:32] <iondiode> setsunafseisei__: ah so you can't check in changes
[02:15:36] <iondiode> setsunafseisei__: right, so working on the same project, that link should be retained. otherwise, I don't have a solution, sorry, good luck
[02:16:14] <setsunafseisei__> iondiode: i am trying to get code complete to work, its working but i always have to add the sdoc.file which is the api all the time to the project i want to just link to it and then make use of it anytime i create  a new project or edit an existing project
[02:17:12] <setsunafseisei__> iondiode: but what if the link was not created when that project was created? How I add it to the whole project
[02:20:09] <iondiode> setsunafseisei__: as described above, I'm not familiar with aptana, but I assume you can setup local library paths for code for whatever (is this python?)  and it will look there for the code to generate "code completion".
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[02:21:33] <setsunafseisei__> iondiode: its javascript
[02:21:53] <setsunafseisei__> iondiode: okay is local library paths the same as linked resources?
[02:22:21] <iondiode> setsunafseisei__: does it have the same outcome for you? possibly?
[02:22:40] <iondiode> setsunafseisei__: is it the same thing? no
[02:24:21] <iondiode> setsunafseisei__: sorry can't be of more assistance, generally use the C and Pydev stuff in eclipse
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[02:26:32] <setsunafseisei__> iondiode: thanks
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[02:36:42] <blast2> hey all, I was looking at a light bug tracking system to use with mercurial for a smaller project (spread across about 5 people, but probably only totaling 30h/week of effort). artemis is nice enough or be seems to be winning for me out of artemis,be,bugtracker and b. though my associate has mentioned wouldn't eclipse support be nice, though i don't see any such support.
[02:37:09] <blast2> does anyone know of a lightweight bts that plays well with hg and has an eclipse plugin?
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[03:38:46] <garrettheel> hi, i'm writing an eclipse plugin and want to automatically save a document when it is changed (essentially remove the concept of a "dirty" document). can anyone suggest how I should do this? I've tried listening to documentChange event and saving the editor but it only seems to work on every 2nd document change for some odd reason.
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[05:37:11] <ShaRose> I'm not sure if this is a dumb question or not, but I used to use 3.6 on my old install of windows. For a project, I have to use reflection to call some methods, and they were all flagged as unused so my cleanup wouldn't trim them out. Recently, I wiped my windows install and started fresh, this time using ninite to download eclipse, and so it got 3.7. I don't think I had any plugins...
[05:37:12] <ShaRose> ...specifically SuppressWarnings annotations (I think it was built in), but since I've started using 3.7 eclipse has been ignoring those annotations, and not flagging unused methods. Methods flagged correctly with @SuppressWarnings("unused") are flagged as not needed annotations, and unused methods are not getting flagged. All the methods in question are private static. Does anyone know why...
[05:37:14] <ShaRose> ...this seems to happen since I updated, or did I indeed get a plugin for this?
[05:37:22] <ShaRose> I was hoping that wouldn't be as long as it was :S
[05:38:53] <ShaRose> Oh, and note Clean Up with removed unused methods will still trim methods not flagged. I didn't notice it at first due to a bug with the reflection class I was using, and so I got rid of the unused annotations (I had been doing some restructuring, and some of them were indeed not required anymore).
[05:40:35] <ShaRose> Oh, as well this is in a new workspace, though it might be an error in that (I'm coding for minecraft / MCP if anyone is familiar with it), so if this is a workspace option please let me know (I wasn't able to find anything)
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[05:58:49] <Back2Basics> pydev on eclipse question:  Why does the appengine webserver autostart and why doesn't the console show the errors?   (I can't find settings on pertaining to the webserver or why it's not outputting to the console)
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[06:34:03] <sbluen> is it still possible to install plugins on the newest version of eclipse?
[06:35:03] <sbluen> I've been having some trouble doing that.
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[06:47:33] <ShaRose> god it is the workspace. I don't even.
[06:48:02] <ShaRose> sbluen shot in the dark, do you know if there's a workspace setting that disables warnings for unused methods?
[06:49:53] <sbluen> ShaRose: no, I don't know, but I haven't had the need to do so
[06:50:21] <ShaRose> I don't want it to. For some reason it's decided to toggle on and I want it off :S
[06:51:48] <sbluen> I'll go look it up
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[06:54:29] <sbluen> ShaRose: they talk about it a bit on http://billharlan.com/pub/papers/Getting_started_with_Eclipse.html but I don't know if that's what you need.
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[08:42:43] <perlsyntax> Does ant come with jdk 7?
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[08:47:45] <mihael> ShaRose: take a look at Windows -> Preferences -> Java -> Compile -> Errors/Warnings
[08:48:20] <ShaRose> Yeah I found out after that someone from mcp disabled it and forgot to remove those changes before they released
[08:48:39] <ShaRose> I actually forgot I was still in here :P
[08:48:45] <ShaRose> Anyways, thanks
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[08:49:38] <perlsyntax> Or do i need to install ant myself?
[08:52:02] <perlsyntax> ?
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[09:57:49] <linuxuz3r> hi
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[10:02:07] <pulse00> hi
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[10:10:59] <lisak> hey,  I have a lot of working sets
[10:11:23] <lisak> and Build Automatically  feature seems to be available only for the entire workspace
[10:11:28] <lisak> which is weird
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[10:11:47] <lisak> for each Save of my project the entire workspace be built ?
[10:12:21] <lisak> the other 5 working sets with like 30-40 projects ?
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[10:13:21] <lisak> sometimes it looks it builds only for the first time
[10:13:56] <lisak> then only the current project, but sometimes it builds everything, even if I don't change anything in the other projects
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[10:18:12] <ron> lisak: the automatic build will recompile the saved files, and files that depend on it. it doesn't recompile the whole project.
[10:18:47] <lisak> that's what it should be doing
[10:19:16] <lisak> sometimes I see compilation of all projects even from other working sets
[10:19:26] <lisak> already compiled
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[10:20:40] <ron> if the projects in the other working sets depend on the change, they'd recompile as well.
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[10:31:05] <ron> lisak: the working set is basically a filter to what you see, it's not a filter to what's working behind the scenes.
[10:31:13] <ron> you can close the irrelevant projects if you want.
[10:32:05] <lisak> I have one huge (builds 1 minute) that I need for a reference
[10:32:18] <lisak> and it is sometimes being rebuilt with my project
[10:32:29] <ron> I'm not sure that if you close it you can't reference it.
[10:32:34] <lisak> even though they don't depend on each other
[10:32:51] <lisak> I can't close it
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[10:33:05] <ron> why not?
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[10:33:18] <Anticom> hi all
[10:33:32] <Anticom> i'm newbie to eclipse. i want to develop php with it
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[10:33:37] <Anticom> PDT is installed already
[10:34:19] <lisak> ron, cause I need it for a reference and I contribute to it from time to time
[10:34:27] <Anticom> but when i try to execute my script, eclipse is telling me "specified script can not be found". I found no setting in the config, where the local path document root path of my server could be specified :/
[10:34:38] <lisak> I would close/open it 10 times a day
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[10:36:32] <ron> lisak: I see. well, I checked and you can disable it from automatically being built, but you'd have to remember to build it on your own when needed.
[10:36:45] <ron> Anticom: did you try google?
[10:36:57] <Anticom> jup
[10:37:11] <Anticom> found just some unanswered forum posts
[10:37:14] <lisak> I need automatic build for hot swap and for convenience....doesn't matter, thanks anyway
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[10:59:58] <pulse00> Anticom: you're trying to run a single php script ?
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[11:00:06] <Anticom> jup pulse00
[11:00:50] <pulse00> using "run as..." / "debug as..." ?
[11:01:02] <Anticom> run as php script
[11:01:20] <pulse00> let me try that, just a second
[11:01:28] <Anticom> k, thx
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[11:04:43] <pulse00> it looks like you have to create a "PHP Script" run configuration and specify the file manually there
[11:04:45] <pulse00> works here
[11:05:37] <Anticom> sec, let me check on that
[11:06:49] <Anticom> got a PHP Script launch config
[11:07:02] <Anticom> and a php executable config
[11:07:24] <Anticom> but i can't specify a path to my local document root anywhere
[11:07:35] <Anticom> or at least i won't find it
[11:07:55] <pulse00> Anticom: do you want to run the script via a webserver or executed it in eclipse?
[11:08:35] <pulse00> *execute
[11:09:00] <Anticom> run via browser
[11:09:07] <Anticom> http://i.imgur.com/vWL9x.jpg that's what i got
[11:09:10] <pulse00> ok, thats different
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[11:10:32] <pulse00> you need to create a php server. is your script in the document root of the webserver or do you have a vhost setup?
[11:10:58] <Anticom> and i've tried to map '/' to 'C:\xampp\htdocs\' in PHP Servers -> Edit Server -> Path Mapping
[11:11:12] <pulse00> what's the URL you can call the script via the browser?
[11:11:16] <Anticom> it's a simple xampp setup
[11:11:35] <Anticom> it's like localhost/mySubdir/mySubdir2/myFile.php
[11:12:16] <pulse00> okay, then you need to create a new run configuration. Do you see "PHP Web Page" in your run configuration dialog? if so, create a new one
[11:13:09] <pulse00> there you should see a "URL" section, which specifies the url the debugger will start when running the configuration
[11:13:22] <pulse00> this needs to match http://localhost/mySubdir/mySubdir2/myFile.php
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[11:14:37] <Anticom> sure it needs the scheme
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[11:15:21] <Anticom> i got PHP Web Page
[11:15:30] <Anticom> but how do i config that launch configuration?
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[11:16:12] <pulse00> what URL does eclipse open when you run your configuration?
[11:17:01] <Anticom> none, i'm just getting that error in a dialog
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[11:17:44] <pulse00> when you right click the file -> "Run as..." -> "PHP Web Application" ?
[11:20:22] <pulse00> this is how it works for me:
[11:20:33] <pulse00> 1. create a folder in your http document root called "test"
[11:20:45] <pulse00> 2. create a new php project, and select the "test" folder as project folder
[11:20:55] <Anticom> i got no project
[11:20:58] <pulse00> 3. create a file called "test.php" in the "test" project in eclipse
[11:20:59] <Anticom> it's simply an open file
[11:21:12] <pulse00> ok, that's again different ;)
[11:21:21] <pulse00> don't know if that works, never tried that
[11:21:43] <pulse00> don't even know how to open a php file without a project in eclipse ^^
[11:22:59] <pulse00> i think eclipse needs a project for that, otherwise it can't figure out the URL
[11:26:04] <Anticom> drag and drop simply opens it ;)
[11:26:10] <Anticom> okay thanks
[11:26:38] <Anticom> i hate this project-stuff... netbeans has the same problem
[11:26:59] <Anticom> i mean, projects are cool in general but in my oppinion it should not be an requirement for the IDE to work properly
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[11:27:59] <pulse00> sure, but what's the purpose of an ide for a single file?
[11:28:55] <pulse00> ok, you could make use of the debugger in a single file too.
[11:29:43] <pulse00> also, i didn't say it doesn't. just that i don't know if it works without a project ;)
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[11:46:39] <windparadise> hello, good morning, pls what is the latest version of eclipse now? I am using Helios now, how is it compared to Gallileo?
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[11:50:34] <mart> (and why does the Eclipse web site make it so damn hard to figure out which version is which?)
[11:51:39] <mart> windparadise: Indigo aka 3.7 is the latest
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[11:52:36] <MjrTom> versioning is a horrible mess in Eclipse :(
[11:53:16] <windparadise>  oh, ok, let me stop all and download the latest version then
[11:53:23] <pulse00> is there a way to configure a projects validation settings programmatically from within a plugin? i'd like to exclude some filex from XSD validation for certain projects.
[11:53:30] <windparadise> I was updating helios
[11:54:16] <ualtin> I forgot the short cut when you are in the editor and then can type new project
[11:54:24] <ualtin> so it opens the wizard
[11:54:33] <ualtin> its like a search popup
[11:55:11] <mart> ualtin: Ctrl-N?
[11:55:39] <ualtin> lol no... it was just an example... with new project
[11:56:30] <mart> sorry, I don't understand what you're asking for then.
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[11:57:35] <ualtin> I know it doesn't make sense.. but there is a short cut while you are in the editor which will open not a real popup it will open something simalar to CTRL+F3
[11:57:38] <MjrTom> doesnt everybody count "... Ganymede, Galileo, Helio, Indigo ..." Why on Earth should a person have to make a career out of figuring out what's what in Eclipse versions
[11:58:01] <mart> ualtin: ctrl-shift-l ?
[11:58:17] <mart> ctrl-3?
[11:58:25] <ualtin> YEAH
[11:58:30] <ualtin> ctrl+3 it is
[11:58:32] <ualtin> thank you
[11:59:04] <ualtin> what is that thing called
[12:00:20] <mart> "Quick Access"
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[12:07:52] <windparadise> any answer to my queston?
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[12:08:43] <windparadise> I was asking if I updated eclipse, will it chante from eclipse to Indigo ? or I need to delete this and install a fresh one ?
[12:09:23] <mart> windparadise: No, you need to install a fresh one to upgrade between major versions.
[12:09:59] <mart> (As far as I know.)
[12:10:32] <windparadise> ok
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[12:27:15] <ron> windparadise: no, you don't. you can upgrade between major versions just fine.
[12:27:27] <DarsVaeda> anyone familiar with subversion or the other thing for svn eclipse support?
[12:27:44] <ron> subversion *is* svn.
[12:27:59] <ron> you probably mean subversive vs subclipse.
[12:28:01] <DarsVaeda> *subversive
[12:28:05] <DarsVaeda> yes sorry
[12:28:09] <ron> :)
[12:28:16] <ron> what's the question?
[12:28:22] <DarsVaeda> I fail to get it to install on a windows 7 machine
[12:28:26] <windparadise> ok, thanks
[12:28:30] <DarsVaeda> either eclipse galileo or helio
[12:28:35] <DarsVaeda> +s
[12:28:45] <ron> windparadise: you need to add the update site of the new version in order for it to upgrade.
[12:29:02] <ron> DarsVaeda: well, first, it's time to move to Indigo. second, what's the error you get?
[12:29:11] <DarsVaeda> no error
[12:29:15] <windparadise> euh, what is site's update?
[12:29:31] <DarsVaeda> it is installed properly, says the installation installs
[12:29:40] <DarsVaeda> but nowhere to be found in menues
[12:29:49] <ron> umm, where do you search?
[12:30:16] <ron> windparadise: http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_Project_Update_Sites
[12:31:04] <windparadise> ok
[12:41:03] <mart> ron: my understanding was that features and plugins can be updated, but not 'products'. Doesn't that limit how far Eclipse can be updated?
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[12:57:51] <jink> What's the best / easiest way to move a project on disk?  Remove the project, move it, import it?  Or is Eclipse smart enough to ask me to supply the new location after I've moved it?
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[13:03:45] <tvo> jink: IIRC it will just complain that project files are missing and you'll have to remove & re-import it anyway
[13:04:10] <ron> mart: afaik, there should be a problem updating it.
[13:04:34] <ron> jink: just move it and import.
[13:06:52] <jink> Silly Eclipse.  Why not: "Can't find the source!  Did you move it?  Browse..."
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[13:08:00] <jink> Anyway, I'll just reimport it. :)
[13:13:28] <ron> I think my artifactory server is too slow or misconfigured.
[13:26:36] <mart> Any ideas where I can find the code for the console view?
[13:26:55] <mart> Or junit, for that matter?
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[13:35:45] <briandealwis> mart: install the Eclipse SDK if you aren't already (Help > Install New Software).
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[13:38:44] <topriddy> Life would be a better place if #eclipse intellisense just doesnt stop working for basically absolutely no reason at all.
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[13:41:22] <mart> briandealwis: I have that. How would I materialise the project in the workspace?
[13:42:30] <mart> briandealwis: Ah, I have it. Import->"Features and Plug-ins"
[13:42:31] <briandealwis> mart: use one of the Plug-In views, find the some of the plugins that sound right, right click and say "Add to Java Path" (or something like that)
[13:42:54] <topriddy> anybody got a reasonable explanation to why this happens?
[13:42:56] <briandealwis> mart: or you can do that.  Kinda depends on whether you want to edit/change the source, or just view it
[13:43:17] <briandealwis> topriddy: it's just not working at all, or just some of the time?
[13:43:46] <mart> briandealwis: just to browse it really. I don't know the names of the classes I'm looking for.
[13:44:05] <topriddy> briandealwis: now it has stopped.
[13:44:20] <topriddy> briandealwis: so at this moment we can say it isnt working at all.
[13:44:38] <nitind> topriddy: So, what did you do?
[13:44:44] <mart> briandealwis: thanks.
[13:44:52] <topriddy> briandealwis: last time i was faced with similar, i had to create and import projects into a new workspace for it to work.
[13:44:53] <briandealwis> mart: it's easier to use the "Add to " ? the types and methods are made available with the java search.
[13:45:20] <briandealwis> topriddy: check the channel FAQ; there are a few tips there.
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[13:45:37] <mart> Mmm... search isn't much use if I don't know what class I'm looking for.
[13:45:47] <topriddy> nitind: am not doing anything spectacular, using an eclipse blackberry plugin and working side with another java ee project
[13:48:21] <briandealwis> mart: use Open Type and use patterns; the class names typically have expected keywords
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[13:50:35] <nitind> topriddy: Check that the entries on your project's Java Build Path all still exist.
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[13:58:42] <datadevil> hi
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[14:01:34] <datadevil> I'm having problems with the text editor in Eclipse, it's highlighting wrong parts of lines, and breaking in other ways
[14:01:53] <datadevil> This is on Linux, with 3.7.0
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[14:10:12] <DarsVaeda> if I hover over an editor element there is a tooltip, can I set the color of the background of that tooltip in eclipse?
[14:10:45] <MjrTom> datadevil if it's doing that on dirty files, I recommend seeing if saving the file would solve it.  If it's doing it on unedited files, I personally have no recommendation but hopefully somebody else will
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[14:12:33] <MjrTom> DarsVaeda look in Window, Preferences, General-Appearance-Colors and Fonts
[14:12:50] <DarsVaeda> yep found that but which one? ;)
[14:12:51] <ualtin> Hi is there a short cut to maximize and minimize the editor
[14:14:47] <rcjsuen> ualtin: Ctrl+M will probably do what you want.
[14:15:09] <ualtin> cool thanks rcjsuen
[14:15:09] <datadevil> MjrTom: on edited files at least, but saving won't help
[14:15:20] <DarsVaeda> my problem is that the tooltip is black text on black background
[14:15:23] <datadevil> MjrTom: saving, closing and re-opening does, but that's not what I want
[14:15:26] <DarsVaeda> which is very easy to read ^^
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[14:16:14] <rcjsuen> DarsVaeda: see topic
[14:16:22] <MjrTom> datadevil you might see if Project, Clean helps it not do it so much
[14:16:50] <datadevil> MjrTom: now reinstalling whole of eclipse, if it occurs again I'll try that
[14:16:59] <MjrTom> I guess Im trying to say that it looks to me like its a bug in Eclipse, and these are ways that might help work around it
[14:17:25] <MjrTom> saving dirty files always did it for me but obviously YMMV
[14:19:29] <datadevil> yeah clear
[14:19:43] <DarsVaeda> rcjsuen: ahh thx, I found the solution to use the system control already, had hope I could change that in eclipse itself :/
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[14:28:27] <Caterpillar> I do not understand why Eclipse when creating xhtml pages, creates files with html extension and not xhtml extension
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[14:30:59] <ron> you can change the default file extension.
[14:34:23] <Caterpillar> ron: you mean renaming the file, or editing something in preferencies?
[14:35:12] <ron> preferences.
[14:35:57] <ron> Window->Preferences->Web->HTML Files
[14:40:27] <mihael> hi, i am using HanderUtil.getCurrentSelection(event) but i don't get the current selection. the viewer has a different selection. anything i can check to get this right?
[14:41:37] <rcjsuen> perhaps the viewer isn't a selection provider
[14:44:19] <mihael> rcjsuen: getSite().setSelectionProvider(viewer); should do it
[14:44:53] <mihael> rcjsuen: but it ain't working
[14:45:53] <rcjsuen> What do you get then
[14:46:01] <mihael> i get the last selection
[14:46:25] <rcjsuen> What viewer are you using
[14:46:28] <mihael> i am using the handlerutil in a handler where i am manually calling a command
[14:46:40] <rcjsuen> manually calling a command
[14:46:42] <mihael> viewer: ListViewer
[14:46:44] <rcjsuen> You mean you use IHService?
[14:46:51] <mihael> ICommandService
[14:47:05] <mihael> should i use something else?
[14:47:16] <rcjsuen> what I said
[14:47:37] <mihael> IHandlerService? didn't know that something like that exists. i look it up.
[14:47:45] <rcjsuen> are you calling command.execute yourself?
[14:47:57] <mihael> yes
[14:47:57] <rcjsuen> or rather, executeWithChecks
[14:48:02] <rcjsuen> That is not the recommended way.
[14:48:07] <mihael> no, just execute
[14:48:19] <rcjsuen> well that's deprecated
[14:48:20] <rcjsuen> but anyway
[14:48:21] <mihael> oh wait .. executeWithChecks
[14:48:29] <mihael> ?
[14:48:39] <mihael> executeWithChecks deprecated?
[14:48:43] <rcjsuen> execute is deprecated
[14:48:50] <mihael> oh . ok. don't use that
[14:49:41] <mihael> i am passing the applicationContext from IEvaluationService.getCurrentState(). is that ok?
[14:51:19] <rcjsuen> That shouldn't even be necessary.
[14:53:22] <mihael> else HandlerUtil doesn't work at all (applicationContext is passed to ExecutionEvent constructor which is then passed to the command.executeWithChecks() method)
[14:53:59] <rcjsuen> not sure i follow, the handler service's execute methods don't take an IEC
[14:54:04] <rcjsuen> well, the third one does
[14:54:24] <mihael> i am still using command.executeWithChecks
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[14:54:48] <mihael> command.executeWithChecks(new ExecutionEvent(command, parameters, source, currentState))
[14:55:16] <rcjsuen> In case I was not clear, calling execute manually is not the recommended way.
[14:55:36] <ron> it's deprecated!
[14:55:38] <mihael> oh. ok. that was CLEAR ;-)
[14:56:03] <mihael> thanx for your effort. i really appreciate it.
[14:56:39] <rcjsuen> It's also not clear where you're calling this. Or rather, what action causes this handler to be inovked.
[14:58:09] <mihael> first i will change my code to use the IHandlerService. then i'll check if the problem still exists. if it exists i'll probably be back
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[15:00:12] <Caterpillar> ron: thank you
[15:01:27] <danols> ok I just installed eclipse 4.2M2 and my avaiable software sites is empty
[15:01:32] <danols> anyone have an idea ?
[15:01:50] <rcjsuen> danols: Where did you unzip/untar it
[15:02:03] <danols> ProgramFiles on a windows 7 64bit machine
[15:02:40] <rcjsuen> well that's probably why
[15:02:47] <danols> rcjsuen: ?
[15:03:04] <rcjsuen> danols: see faq in topic
[15:05:36] <mihael> can anybody give me the link for the API Reference (Javadocs) of the Platform Plug-in Developer Guide in help.eclipse.org. i can't find it for the indigo release.
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[15:06:46] <mihael> if i just replace helios with indigo in the url from helios then i get a "Topic not found" page
[15:10:23] <Maxaon2000> Does the eclipse team look at bugs at all?
[15:10:46] <Maxaon2000> I want my bug to at least get verified: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=357998
[15:10:54] <rcjsuen> Maxaon2000: Lots of people are at Eclipse.org
[15:11:01] <rcjsuen> hard to speak for "every single team that has code at eclipse.org"
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[15:11:21] <rcjsuen> It seems you CC'd people on it
[15:11:25] <rcjsuen> I thought they CC'd themselves
[15:11:50] <rcjsuen> Feel free to ping on the bug to generate some noise.
[15:11:58] <rcjsuen> Of course, assuming you're not doing this every day or two
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[15:12:33] <danols> thanks
[15:13:33] <danols> what dose p2 stand for ?
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[15:14:28] <rcjsuen> That's also in the FAQ.
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[15:14:38] <rcjsuen> 2.9 What is p2?
[15:14:39] <rcjsuen> ~p2
[15:14:39] <Arbalest> p2 is the name of the new provisioning platform from the Equinox team that replaced the Update Manager starting from Eclipse 3.4 and up. Take a look at the wiki for more details - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_p2 / http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox/p2/FAQ - Or try this dW article - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-eclipse-equinox-p2/index.html
[15:14:50] <danols> ok I put the eclipse folder on my desktop and just exported the sites avail and imported it into my eclipse in program files.
[15:15:10] <danols> Arbalest: thanks
[15:15:23] <danols> how do you guys install/discover new software ?
[15:15:50] <Maxaon2000> rcjsuen: I will ping them. I wish JDT team took their bugs seriously.
[15:16:09] <Maxaon2000> refactoring is important for a Java IDE
[15:16:11] <danols> I've been using the Install New Software option in help but I find it very unfriendly as the descriptions are lacking --- I was really surprised to find Market Place or even that there is an Eclipse plugin for it
[15:18:35] <rcjsuen> danols: i use the install new sw option myself
[15:18:43] <briandealwis> mihael: right click on the item in the table of contents and copy that link.  E.g., http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/nav/3
[15:19:46] <danols> rcjsuen: yeah i've been using that for ages too --- how do you figure out what all the plugins do? even when I google some of them are heard to figure out
[15:19:59] <danols> rcjsuen: and some have multiple components to them
[15:20:05] <rcjsuen> danols: The # of plug-ins I use are less than the fingers on one hand
[15:20:19] <mihael> thanx for your effort but i am searching for the API Reference of the Platform Plug-in Developer Guide and not Plug-in Development Environment Guide
[15:20:21] <rcjsuen> at least, in terms of plug-ins i add on to whatever i download from eclipse.org
[15:20:41] <danols> and I also noticed that Market Place dosen't have some of the plugins avail from the Install Software menu i.e. Remote System Explorer
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[15:20:51] <rcjsuen> Marketplace is an opt-in mechanism afaik
[15:21:31] <danols> rcjsuen: yeah you install the marketplace plugin and get Eclipse Marketplace browser in your eclipse
[15:21:49] <rcjsuen> danols: What I mean is, just because RSE exists, doesn't mean RSE is available from the Marketplace (because it is opt-in)
[15:21:59] <rcjsuen> mihael: will probably have to wait for the webmaster to intervene, i see you alrdy opened ~358385
[15:22:00] <Arbalest> Bug 358385 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=358385 - PDE / Doc / 4.2 - All / All - NEW / normal / - Assignee: pde-doc-inbox - Platform Plug-in Developer Guide not available on Indigo Release
[15:22:01] <mihael> now i realize it: the contents for Platform Plug-in Developer Guide is complete missing on help.eclipse.org
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[15:22:09] <danols> rcjsuen: ok
[15:22:40] <mihael> did they rename it?
[15:22:45] <danols> rcjsuen: ok back to my original question - some of the plug-ins have very vague descriptions --- is there a place to figure out exactly what they do/are for?
[15:23:07] <rcjsuen> That's up to each plug-in's website/documentation.
[15:23:11] <mihael> (thought renaming was the expertise of IBM =)
[15:23:23] <rcjsuen> mihael: Eclipse != IBM
[15:23:24] <danols> k
[15:23:29] <mihael> i know
[15:23:36] <mihael> hopefully =)))
[15:23:44] <rcjsuen> But no, I don't think it was renamed.
[15:25:11] <danols> rcjsuen: what plugins do you use ?
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[15:25:17] <rcjsuen> The Git plug-in
[15:25:23] <rcjsuen> and that's about it
[15:25:25] <rcjsuen> at least, in terms of "daily use"
[15:25:33] <danols> k
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[15:27:12] <danols> if I install form the Market Place and it installs an older version - but then I run 'Check for updates' and it finds a newer one from the included available sites list it will of course update no problem yes ?
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[15:43:30] <danols> is it possible to change the font size in eclipse ? - not the editor but everywhere else? in the Folder list for example
[15:44:41] <rcjsuen> That's controlled by the OS.
[15:44:46] <rcjsuen> Though theoretically you may be able to do it with CSS.
[15:45:23] <danols> where would this css file be rcjsuen ?
[15:45:48] <rcjsuen> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=344234
[15:46:57] <rcjsuen> Though I admit I've never tried
[15:47:02] <rcjsuen> I've only used it to shrink the part margins b4
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[15:48:42] <rcjsuen> I know you can change the view tab's size anyway, as described in that bug
[15:49:35] <danols> rcjsuen: thank you!
[15:49:56] <danols> this is a life saver
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[16:03:24] <morsik> it's possible to get my settings back?
[16:03:32] <morsik> i installed egit, and it broke all my settings...
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[16:15:18] <monov> hi
[16:15:56] <jink> ron: Stop fucking around. :)
[16:16:34] <ron> jink: I don't know why, but around this hour I get huge lag on freenode. codehaus, for example, works great.
[16:16:39] <ron> can't seem to solve the issue :-/
[16:16:58] <jink> Weird... :S
[16:17:21] <ron> definitely. seems to be fine now.
[16:17:33] <rcjsuen> morsik: What kind of settings
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[16:19:59] <morsik> rcjsuen: everything! syntax color settings, font, perspectives, loaded projects :\
[16:20:09] <rcjsuen> Never heard of this before
[16:20:23] <rcjsuen> at least certainly not it screwing up people's colours
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[16:22:18] <Mr_Grim> hey
[16:22:19] <Mr_Grim> hey i downloaded JavaEE from oracle with glassfish. how do I configure Eclipse on OS X to use it? I don't have access to any of the javax.* namespaces
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[16:29:20] <danols> does the Data Toolsd Platform have support for sqlite ?
[16:29:49] <ron> Mr_Grim: which version of eclipse do you have installed?
[16:30:52] <TomTom> danols: when there is a good and working jdbc driver for sqlite then it should be possible
[16:31:20] <danols> TomTom: k
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[16:32:31] <monov> I'm trying to get C++ support in ganymede and I'm using Help->Install New Software. But the installation only got to about 60% and I got a timeout read error.
[16:32:34] <monov> any ideas?
[16:32:40] <monov> I'm using this repo url: http://download.eclipse.org/tools/cdt/releases/ganymede
[16:32:52] <monov> I found it on the internet because my default list of urls somehow got cleared
[16:33:39] <danols> http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#How_come_my_list_of_update_sites_is_completely_empty_when_other_people_says_theirs_has_stuff_in_it.3F
[16:33:46] <danols> try that update repo list
[16:34:03] <ron> apparently, I lag again.
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[16:34:55] <Alvo> the m2e plugin cannot automatically add a maven dependency right? in intellij, when a class is not known, intellij proposes a maven dependency
[16:35:25] <ron> Alvo: I'm not familiar with such functionality personally.
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[16:36:31] <bsod1> hi, I'm trying to install counterclockwise eclipse plugin for clojure development but I'm getting this error message: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/479913/ (on eclipse indigo) . can anyone help me?
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[16:38:03] <monov> thanks danols. trying that now
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[16:38:58] <Mr_Grim> ron: i have the latest version 3.7 i believe
[16:39:54] <danols> TomTom: I am assuming something like this regarding my sqlite question? http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#How_come_my_list_of_update_sites_is_completely_empty_when_other_people_says_theirs_has_stuff_in_it.3F
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[16:40:11] <danols> err this one http://www.toodlepip.co.uk/blog/2008/08/using-sqlite-eclipse-and-dbedit
[16:40:58] <Mr_Grim> ron: its eclipse indigo
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[16:41:40] <danols> or better yet: http://wiki.eclipse.org/Connecting_to_SQLite
[16:41:45] <ron> Mr_Grim: okay, do you know which eclipse package you installed?
[16:42:26] <Mr_Grim> ron: that i don't remember
[16:42:44] <ron> Mr_Grim: Help->About Eclipse
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[16:44:30] <TomTom> danols: i have no idea how sqlit/DTP and UpdateSite problems are related to each other
[16:47:01] <danols> TomTom no i was referring to something you said a while back about sqlite and jdbc driver
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[16:48:46] <Mr_Grim> ron: i have the following installed 'Eclipse Java EE IDE for Web Developers.'
[16:49:59] <ron> Mr_Grim: okay, that's great. I may be a bit slow to reply due to lag bursts.
[16:50:09] <ron> Mr_Grim: have you installed your GlassFish?
[16:54:25] <danols> anyone know if there is support for mootools JS ?
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[16:58:24] <Alvo> heh now i see the m2e freezing effect :)
[17:02:36] <Mr_Grim> ron: yes i have installed glassfish
[17:02:48] <Mr_Grim> i installed it in my home directory
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[17:12:27] <Mr_Grim> ron: u there?
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[17:20:14] <danols> is t his a bug ??? I can't install DTP http://dpaste.com/618330/
[17:20:54] <rcjsuen> danols: Which update site did you use?
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[17:21:53] <danols> all that I have avail in the 4.2M2
[17:22:09] <rcjsuen> DTP wants an older EMF I think.
[17:22:11] <danols> the list is rather large now since I've been installing all the plugins I normally use
[17:22:13] <rcjsuen> You could try using the Juno site instead.
[17:22:20] <danols> rcjsuen: ?
[17:22:23] <rcjsuen> Perhaps you could install the Juno M1 DTP.
[17:22:40] <danols> ohh the latest milestone you mean yes ?
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[17:24:08] <jesmon> anyone know the release date for 3.7SR1?
[17:24:20] <Mr_Grim> i cant believe i cant find some docs for this
[17:24:23] <Mr_Grim> this has to be so simple
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[17:26:10] <danols> guys I can't find an nighlty update site or milestone site for DTP - does one not exist ? this one only goes up to 1.9.0... http://download.eclipse.org/datatools/updates/site.xml
[17:27:22] <Mr_Grim> nobody here uses os x?
[17:28:09] <ron> danols: http://www.eclipse.org/datatools/downloads.php
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[17:29:50] <danols> ron: so I have to manually download and install it --- I can't use the install software from within eclipse yes?
[17:30:14] <Mr_Grim> ron: u there?
[17:30:19] <Mr_Grim> still trying to figure this out
[17:31:33] <jesmon> Mr_Grim: are you using maven?
[17:32:41] <Mr_Grim> no im not using maven
[17:32:59] <jesmon> if you're doing EE development, you should use maven. It makes it trivial to put the right classes in your classpath
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[17:33:17] <Mr_Grim> i have used it before
[17:33:22] <Mr_Grim> one step a time
[17:33:27] <jesmon> otherwise, you have to copy the necessary libraries to your eclipse build path
[17:33:29] <Mr_Grim> i didnt have any problem working with java EE in windows
[17:34:08] <danols> hi guys if there is no update site for mile stones for a plugin I have to download the file manually yes ?
[17:34:42] * danols 50KB/s mirror vs firend mirror 500KB/s --- worth it!
[17:34:55] <rcjsuen> danols: Did you try the Juno site?
[17:34:59] <rcjsuen> http://download.eclipse.org/releases/juno
[17:35:06] <rcjsuen> Although I presume that might end in failure too.
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[17:35:19] <rcjsuen> given the current getup
[17:35:40] <rcjsuen> maybe you should just get one of these downloads and then try to install DTP from there http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/index-developer.php
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[17:36:44] <aram535> Is there a copyright module for eclipse?  I need to add a copyright notice to about 200 files
[17:38:55] <danols> juno still has 1.9.0 version
[17:39:02] <danols> i'll try installing from local download source
[17:39:36] <rcjsuen> yes but your base Eclipse's setup is diff and it may be able to install 1.9 on it
[17:39:48] <danols> rcjsuen: i mean I tried
[17:39:50] <danols> same error
[17:41:10] <danols> hmmm rcjsuen that site provides me with updates how did you find it ?
[17:41:37] <danols> I always have a hard time find update sites
[17:42:07] <rcjsuen> I work on code at Eclipse.org.
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[17:42:43] <danols> so google won't help unless you know it yes ?
[17:43:39] <rcjsuen> I guess you would have to know the name of the next train is Juno
[17:43:45] <rcjsuen> then apply logic and swap the indigo word with the juno word
[17:43:51] <danols> k
[17:44:01] <danols> well thank you it does provide updates when I check for updates
[17:45:53] <mart> What's the difference between a train and a release?
[17:46:51] <danols> rcjsuen: still same issue --- should I submit a bug ?
[17:47:09] <rcjsuen> danols: When you use 4.2M1?
[17:47:14] <rcjsuen> from the download page I linked to?
[17:47:27] <rcjsuen> mart: Think the term "train" is just saying "a lot of releases"
[17:47:35] <rcjsuen> a train with many carts of software being released at the same time
[17:48:13] <mart> Ah, OK. That makes sense. And each team has to prepare features in time, or they miss the train.
[17:48:24] <danols> rcjsuen: no I'm using 4.2M2 from this page http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/
[17:48:27] <rcjsuen> mart: basically
[17:48:39] <rcjsuen> danols: Then I expect you to have the same problem.
[17:49:49] <danols> rcjsuen: yeah exactly so is this something I should report as a bug ?
[17:50:03] <rcjsuen> Not exactly because we're in the middle of a milestone.
[17:50:36] <danols> rcjsuen: ok what do you suggest
[17:50:46] <rcjsuen> I suggest you download one of the downloads I gave you in my link?
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[17:51:24] <danols> rcjsuen: i'm confused -- I have 4.2M2 so if it doesn't install with 4.2M2 why would it work with 4.2M1 ?
[17:51:39] <rcjsuen> Or perhaps you could just get by even with 3.7/4.1, unless you need something fixed in DTP in the last week or whatever
[17:51:46] <rcjsuen> because, if my guess is right
[17:51:59] <rcjsuen> 4.2M2 includes newer code, but DTP has a version dependency on something lower
[17:52:08] <rcjsuen> this constraint is found and we prevent you from installing DTP
[17:52:10] <rcjsuen> because it is incompat
[17:52:44] <rcjsuen> This is like saying trying to use something coded for 1.0 on something that's 2.0. p2 sees a conflict and doesn't let you do it
[17:53:24] <danols> i understand now - would DTP be updated relatively soonish ?
[17:53:36] * danols I don't have a serious need at the moment for DTP
[17:53:44] <rcjsuen> I think Juno M2 is on the 30th
[17:54:23] <rcjsuen> we just put out 4.2M2 earlier this week but it'll be (in this case) about two weeks before all the other downstream components are good to go with synchronization/builds/etc
[17:55:00] <danols> rcjsuen: perfect -- thank you very much for taking time to clarify this
[17:55:20] <danols> i would have gone gray trying to figure this out
[17:55:27] <rcjsuen> It's confusing.
[17:56:01] <danols> so to be safe in the feature I will use http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/index-developer.php
[17:56:05] <danols> thanks again
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[18:26:05] <ronr__> danols: look at the bottom... there are update sites for the nightly builds.
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[18:32:41] <danols> anyone using git eclipse here ?
[18:33:33] <rcjsuen> ask your real question
[18:33:34] <danols> ronjn___:  you mean this line ? DTP releases can also be found on our update site (http://download.eclipse.org/datatools/updates) if so those only go up to 1.9.0
[18:33:58] <danols> I have a project on github which is a fork - there is another fork of same project -- I would like to merge changes that person made with my fork
[18:34:14] * danols started using git 2 days ago and git with eclipse today
[18:35:14] <danols> how to do that?
[18:35:53] <danols> do I create a new remote and pull from it ?
[18:38:22] <rcjsuen> danols: You can maybe ask in #github for clarification.
[18:38:33] <rcjsuen> Once you figure out how to do it from the command line you could try to figure it out from the Eclipse plug-in.
[18:38:44] <rcjsuen> (Since the plug-in cannot do everything the command line does actually)
[18:38:47] <danols> rcjsuen: good point
[18:38:49] <danols> I will ask
[18:39:17] <mart> danols: If you want to work with an existing repo, use git clone
[18:40:16] <mart> ... and (loosely speaking) the default remote will automatically be set to where you pulled from.
[18:41:20] <danols> mart: yes so I have my fork setup in eclipse now
[18:41:38] <danols> now I need to 'pull' or merge someone else fork (another repository) with mine
[18:41:58] <rcjsuen> so you mean you forked A, and some guy alrdy made changes to A, and now you want to update your local copy?
[18:42:31] <danols> no I forked A and some other dude also forked A
[18:42:32] <mart> danols: Ah, I never got as far as multiple remotes with egit. I just use the command line for everything git now.
[18:42:52] <danols> I want to merge his forked A with my forked A
[18:42:55] * danols so much forking
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[18:43:17] <danols> https://github.com/l3i/django-ckeditor his
[18:43:20] <rcjsuen> so actually the other person hasn't pushed his changes back to A then
[18:43:25] <danols> my https://github.com/danols/django-ckeditor
[18:43:33] <danols> rcjsuen: I think orignal A is no longer maintaned
[18:43:45] <danols> no response for my 'pull' request from about 2 months ago
[18:43:49] <rcjsuen> You'd have to config another remote as mart said. Though I also have never tried this.
[18:44:12] <danols> rcjsuen: cool that's what I though ok so I am making another remote but it's asking for RefMapping
[18:44:20] * danols googling it now
[18:44:33] <mart> danols: git remote add l3i git://github.com/l3i/django-ckeditor.git ; git fetch l3i
[18:44:57] <mart> that'll add a remote named l3i, and fetch (but not merge) the commits
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[18:45:54] <mart> then you can figure out which of your branches you want to merge into, change to that branch, and do, say, git merge l3i/master
[18:46:38] <danols> mart: cool --- i will also see if I can do it in eclipse
[18:46:53] <rcjsuen> You can add another remote from the 'Git Repositories' view.
[18:47:13] <danols> rcjsuen: yes but it's asking me RefMapping settings http://wiki.eclipse.org/EGit/User_Guide#Refspecs
[18:47:15] <mart> I expect you can pull (fetch and merge) in one step too.
[18:47:17] <danols> I am trying to understand it now
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[19:17:30] <pepone> Hi, in my plug-in i use IResource.setPersistentProperty to store some properties, the problem is that this is stored in workspace out of my project source tree, is there a way to have Resources properties stored in project source tree ?
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[19:20:02] <rcjsuen> No, resource properties will be stored in the workspace metadata.
[19:20:11] <rcjsuen> You'd have to use project scoped preferenecs instead I suppose.
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[19:20:52] <pepone> Thanks rcjsuen, will check that
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[20:42:25] <ddc> Can anyone help me find a way to get the project of a file that is currently in the active editor?
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[20:42:55] <rcjsuen> once you get the IFile, it's trivial from there
[20:42:57] <rcjsuen> ~dev-faq
[20:42:57] <Arbalest> Writing Eclipse plug-ins / RCP apps and don't know where to turn? See these FAQs - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_Plug-in_Development_FAQ - http://wiki.eclipse.org/The_Official_Eclipse_FAQs - http://wiki.eclipse.org/RCP_FAQ / Or look at EclipseCon talks/tutorials - http://www.eclipsecon.org/
[20:43:40] <ddc> Thanks
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[21:22:29] <aram535> Hi, I'm getting a weird error.  I just upgraded from 3.6 to 4.1 and now eclipse is complaning that I need to change my workspace to JRE 1.5
[21:22:50] <ron> why do people do that?
[21:22:51] <aram535> where is this set in eclipse?  I cannot find in preferences
[21:24:53] <aram535> hmmm nevermind compliance = compiler version it seems
[21:25:23] <aram535> it was set to 1.6, I reset it back to 1.5 and back to 1.6 and now it stopped complaining
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[22:10:37] <ddc> How does internal builder know which program to build?  Also, is there a way to programmatically gain access to this info?  If i am not mistaken, buildConfiguration has something to do with this
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[22:47:50] <mkunze> anyone has an idea why my sign in button from google plugin is greyed out?
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[22:48:41] <mpiggott> mkunze: Either you're logged in or you aren't :p
[22:49:01] <mpiggott> I think they make you enter a login somewhere now /shrug
[22:49:05] <mkunze> nah im not, and if i click it just nothing happens
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[23:03:23] <MapMan> hello. Can someone tell me whats eclipse equalivent of ctrl+k, ctrl+d command. That is, I want to reformat the document, proper spacings and what not.
[23:03:37] <ron> ctrl+f
[23:03:41] <ron> sorry
[23:03:46] <ron> ctrl+shift+f
[23:03:50] <ron> ~keys
[23:03:50] <Arbalest> For a list of available key bindings press Ctrl + Shift + L. To configure your key bindings, press Ctrl + Shift + L twice or see Window > Preference > General > Keys. See also http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#What.27s_the_key_for_....3F
[23:04:35] <MapMan> ok thanks
[23:04:49] <MapMan> I found it though, I have to select what I want to reformat and press ctrl+i
[23:05:17] <ron> that's just for indentation.
[23:05:54] <MapMan> well, yeah
[23:06:10] <MapMan> so whats for a full reformat? Theres a lot of commands and I'm not sure what its called
[23:06:14] <MapMan> the one I'm looking for
[23:06:40] <MapMan> oh, ctrl+shift+f
[23:06:50] <MapMan> thanks
[23:07:14] <ron> :)
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