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[00:06:14] <herlimenezes> hi, I was debugging an web application and I got this exception: http://fpaste.org/PThA/ Could someone help me?
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[01:08:26] <Ques7> how can i do code sharing with friends on LAN
[01:08:43] <rcjsuen> What is "code sharing"
[01:09:43] <Ques7> well, i meant me and friends would like to view each others projects  adn codes and study them adn modifty them
[01:10:17] <deSilva> sounds like you want version control, no?
[01:11:21] <Ques7> yeah , something like that ,
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[01:13:08] <deSilva> In that case, Eclipse has built-in support for cvs, I believe, and there are plugins for other popular version control system such as subversion and git
[01:13:51] <Ques7> so i should set up cvs server with external programs ? or eclipse has it ?
[01:17:14] <deSilva> Well, eclipse has built-in functionality to interface with a cvs server
[01:17:35] <deSilva> so you would have to setup one yourself, Eclipse does not provide the actual cvs server
[01:17:53] <deSilva> however, I would encourage you to go with git or subversion, instead of cvs
[01:18:01] <Ques7> deSilva: any recommendation for windows platform ?
[01:19:07] <deSilva> Ques7: I have setup a subversion server on windows before and it was not very difficult. git seems to be very popular these days, but I have no personal experience with setting up a git server. Maybe it's easier, maybe it's harder, I don't know
[01:19:13] <sr__> Ques7, check http://www.assembla.com/features/subversion
[01:19:45] <sr__> if u have internet on your :AN
[01:19:47] <sr__> LAN
[01:20:00] <deSilva> If you want to do it really simple, I guess you could use a shared dropbox or similar cloud service, but in the long run I would recommend a version control system
[01:20:14] <Ques7>  yeah i do . but it isnt' that good
[01:20:43] <Ques7> deSilva:  yeah i'd go with version control  . it may be useful to me later in professional life
[01:21:01] <deSilva> Ques7: indeed it will
[01:26:24] <Ques7> thanks guys , i hope to solve my problem !!
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[01:55:53] <justdanyul> hi, i got a bit noobish question here
[01:56:55] <justdanyul> is there any issues with using JDK 7 with Indigo?
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[01:59:27] <justdanyul> I can see there is no way of setting the compiler compliance level to 1.7 in the project properties, but I added the JRE system library and everything seems to be working fine. I'm guessing this is just because i havent yet used any specific Java 7 features, right?
[01:59:56] <gilead> justdanyul: there's an extra bundle you need to install to add support for Java 7 features
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[02:00:34] <gilead> or you can download one of the work-in-progress versions which should have it merged (or so I read :) )
[02:00:49] <gilead> there's some info on the download page
[02:01:51] <justdanyul> im looking there now cant seem to find anything :P
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[02:05:20] <gilead> I can't find a link to the extra bundle but here's where to get the updated versions from: http://wiki.eclipse.org/JDT/Eclipse_Java_7_Support_%28BETA%29
[02:06:02] <justdanyul> thanks :)
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[02:06:29] <justdanyul> I think i might just downgrade the JDK tbh
[02:06:42] <justdanyul> dont want to be messing around with a beta
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[02:08:26] <rcjsuen> justdanyul: Did you click the link?
[02:08:34] <justdanyul> yeah :)
[02:08:42] <justdanyul> oh..
[02:08:44] <justdanyul> doh
[02:08:54] <rcjsuen> I guess you meant "no".
[02:08:55] <justdanyul> lmao ignore me :P
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[02:27:18] <justdanyul1> rcjsuen: i actually did, but didnt get much longer than the (BETA) bit in the header :$
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[02:35:20] <justdanyul1> woop. seems to all be working :) thanks alot :)
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[03:15:54] <Chunky_Ks> Evening all. I've been using netbeans for a long time, and I'm trying to give eclipse a good try, see if it meets my needs better. But I'm kinda falling at the first hurdle.
[03:16:02] <Chunky_Ks> I have my code in svn. I check out the whole thing using subclipse [new->project, "check out from svn"]. But eclipse doesn't seem to realise that this is a java project and that it should compile/run/whatever it as such.
[03:16:29] <Chunky_Ks> I can build and run it if I manually create a java project and then point it at the checked out code stored somewhere else as "source from somewhere else on the filesystem", but that seems pretty hokey
[03:17:20] <Chunky_Ks> I also don't really want to try and configure it as an "existing ant-based build project" thing. I'm really trying to enjoy eclipse as it was intended, not just by hokeying through with support files created by netbeans
[03:17:49] <Chunky_Ks> so, erm, any advice? googling doesn't really give me much other than "existing ant-based build project", and doesn't take into account existing SCM repos at all
[03:22:42] <paulweb515_> Chunky_Ks: eclipse needs a .project (and for java, a .classpath) in order to work
[03:23:12] <paulweb515_> Chunky_Ks: when you check out your project from SVN, eclipse expects to find those at the root of the project
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[03:23:22] <Chunky_Ks> ok... so what's the correct chain of events for me to be able to check out a project from svn and convince eclipse to do those things that I want it to do ?
[03:23:50] <Chunky_Ks> I cannot figure out how to create a new project in eclipse, starting with all that existing stuff
[03:24:05] <paulweb515_> Chunky_Ks: if you check it out can you see your files?  <project>/src and other stuff?
[03:26:25] <Chunky_Ks> yeah
[03:26:38] <Chunky_Ks> it's all there, just I can't figure out how to tell eclipse "this is a java project"
[03:28:12] <paulweb515_> Chunky_Ks: there might be plugins that can read a netbeans project, but to be honest I would 1) create a java project that has the same name as your project, and a similar setup (although this can be modified afterwards). 2) copy the .project and .classpath somewhere safe, and delete the project. 3) check out your project into eclipse. 4) copy over the .project and .classpath that you saved, and then 5) select your project and use F
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[03:29:33] <paulweb515_> Chunky_Ks: the other most common option to work with projects that are not eclipse projects is to create a project, and then create a folder (and use the Advanced tab to link to the place in the file system where the source is checked out).   Use the Java Build Path option to turn it into a source folder or class files folder or library as required
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[03:34:14] <Chunky_Ks> yeah, that's what I've been doing so far
[03:34:43] <Chunky_Ks> I have a complete checkout someplace else, and am creating a java project, then saying "read source from elseplaces on the filesystem", and pointing it at that other checkout
[03:35:03] <Chunky_Ks> but on some level, I'm sincerely trying to drink the eclipse kool-aid, see how it tastes and if I like it
[03:35:15] <Chunky_Ks> and hokeying around like that feels... well... hokey
[03:40:00] <paulweb515_> Chunky_Ks: it's just one solution
[03:40:24] <paulweb515_> Chunky_Ks: actually getting a proper .project and .classpath into the root of your project will make it a first-class eclipse citizen
[03:43:24] <paulweb515_> Chunky_Ks: a potentially quicker way to accomplish my copying ... check out your project to a different location on the filesystem.  Then create a new java project, but uncheck "use default location" and point it to your project base.  It will create the .project and .classpath in the correct location, and then you can start modifying the build path and source locations from the project properties
[03:43:47] <paulweb515_> Chunky_Ks: check in your .project and .classpath, and then you can use subclipse to check out your project next time
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[03:51:10] <Chunky_Ks> huh, that might work
[03:52:26] <paulweb515_> gotta run
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[03:52:52] <Chunky_Ks> thank-you
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[05:45:09] <anonymous_angel> someone uses yoxos and know how to add external data source?
[05:45:16] <anonymous_angel> *and knows
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[07:50:53] <shashankpv> I've added 'Dynamic Web Module' facet to my project's facet to convert it to a web app. On build it did create a WebContent folder, but hasn't copied the jsp files over. Any pointers?
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[08:33:01] <reisi> shashankpv: what's a "WebContent folder"?
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[08:34:04] <reisi> hmm strange, none of my war projects have this webcontent thingy, or then m2eclipse maps the src/main/webapp as such
[08:34:54] <reisi> shashankpv: if WebContent is the m2eclipse war project's src/main/webapp i wouldn't expect simply adding a facet to start copying or moving your files
[08:37:14] <reisi> shashankpv: my experience is that your jsps *should* reside under ${webContentFolder}/WEB-INF (assuming you dont want them to be publicly accessible from browsers), and you should move your jsp's there manually
[08:37:19] <shashankpv> my bad I meant WEB-INF folder
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[08:54:13] <SabrWolf> any idea how i can find out if eclipse is currently stopped on a breakpoint (from a plugin) ?
[08:57:15] <shashankpv> @reisi. got it working. I had to (re) checkout the project as a Maven project from the repo, and things are good now. thanks!
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[09:04:34] <ron> well, m2e doesn't map web projects correctly, afaict. you need to add the m2e-wtp plugin to make it do that magic.
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[09:09:09] <reisi> ron: aah yes, that's correct
[09:09:38] <ron> you can do it without it as well, but it requires more manual work.
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[12:09:05] <isildur2> hello
[12:09:44] <isildur2> there is same one here
[12:15:18] <SabrWolf> any idea how i can find out if eclipse is currently stopped on a breakpoint (from a plugin) ?
[12:22:49] <timotei> SabrWolf, a breakpoint set by you?
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[12:37:07] <SabrWolf> no
[12:37:30] <SabrWolf> currently debugged process is being debugged, when someone activates my command i want to know that were currently stepping thru code
[12:37:33] <SabrWolf> (debugging)
[12:37:48] <timotei> ah
[12:37:58] <timotei> well
[12:38:04] <timotei> you could launch the command
[12:38:16] <timotei> and then quickly suspend the thread
[12:38:25] <timotei> of put a breakpoint exactly when you see it reaches
[12:38:31] <timotei> and go backwards through the stacktracr
[12:38:53] <SabrWolf> hmm
[12:39:12] <SabrWolf> isnt there a way to query the debugger if its currently stopped?
[12:39:28] <SabrWolf> i mean commands have "when" debugging option
[12:39:32] <SabrWolf> so how come i cant find that out manually ?
[12:39:51] <timotei> ah
[12:39:55] <timotei> well
[12:39:59] <timotei> that's a conditional breakpoint
[12:40:03] <timotei> you need to set it first
[12:40:06] <timotei> and then right click->properties
[12:40:08] <timotei> and set condition :D
[12:40:36] <SabrWolf> no im not talking about setting breakpoints :)
[12:40:50] <SabrWolf> im creating a plugin, that is executed via a command
[12:40:53] <timotei> yes.
[12:41:00] <SabrWolf> like, F5
[12:41:16] <SabrWolf> when the command is executed i would like to know if the user is currently debugging something..
[12:41:22] <timotei> aaaaaa
[12:41:45] <timotei> so the question is: "When the user that uses my plugin is debugging something I want to know"
[12:41:51] <SabrWolf> ye
[12:41:53] <timotei> well, IDK about that :P
[12:41:56] <SabrWolf> hehe
[12:42:05] <SabrWolf> these trivial stuff are so difficult to find out :/
[12:42:14] <timotei> wander around, there should be someone who could help you
[12:42:42] * SabrWolf wanders
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[13:03:33] <theresajayne> having problems loading plugins on indigo
[13:03:54] <theresajayne> says it cant find the repositry for checking the dependancies
[13:04:05] <theresajayne> finds the PMD repository fine
[13:04:19] <theresajayne> but cant find the indigo/releases folder
[13:04:32] <theresajayne> and when i go to that address its giving me a 404
[13:06:03] <theresajayne> ie cant find the repository at http://download.eclipse.org/releases/indigo/201106220900
[13:07:22] <lemmy> theresajayne: remove the date at the end of the url.
[13:07:35] <jink> Great, I did an svn merge dry-run, and now I'm waiting for my Eclipse to come back to life... :(
[13:07:38] <theresajayne> how i cant edit this - it was default in the list
[13:07:53] <theresajayne> and it does list the stuff on that tab
[13:08:00] <jink> How about you press enter a little less often.  This is very hard to read.
[13:08:26] <lemmy> theresajayne: you can via windows, preferences, install/update, available software
[13:08:31] <theresajayne> sorry, but this one Indigo - http://download.eclipse.org/releases/indigo   shows no categorised items, but the one with the date gives a huge list
[13:09:18] <theresajayne> and i also have this in my list as well http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.7/R-3.7-201106131736
[13:10:04] <lemmy> theresajayne: releases/indigo shows categories here. Are you sure no proxy or alike is interfering?
[13:10:48] <theresajayne> ah! i had group items by category ticked
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[13:13:23] <theresajayne> ok turning it off, (the numbered one) works faster but i and trying now to install it....
[13:13:38] <theresajayne> ok that worked,
[13:14:02] <theresajayne> so that should be noted, manage available sites and untick the numbered one
[13:16:17] <theresajayne> Thanks for your help jink and lemmy
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[13:37:40] <rcjsuen> Couldn't you just iterate over very launch's every processes's thread and see if any of them was suspended? Or did that end up not working?
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[14:14:08] <theresajayne> anyone know where i can get springide from - as VMware have removed the site and are trying to make us buy STS
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[14:19:15] <theresajayne> ok found it in marketplace
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[14:35:24] <SabrWolf> rcjsuen> how do i get every launchers process thread ? :X
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[15:00:01] <jink> Eclipse doesn't work too well with large XML files... :(
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[15:13:51] <chrisinajar> so I'm running a .war project through jboss using the integrated server thing in the latest version of eclipse... It seems to, somewhat randomly, stop working and when it boots up will get class not found exceptions while initializing the dependancy libraries (c3p0, usually, though this time it was a spring class)
[15:14:22] <pulse00> i've just downloaded eclipse indigo (for java developers)  windows 64bit, and there are no update sites installed at all. has anyone had this issue before?
[15:15:13] <chrisinajar> i can fix it by manually removing my project from the jboss server, right clicking and selecting "Clean...", I then wait for the error that it can't delete C:\path\to\workspace\.metadata\.plugins\org.eclipse.wst.server.core\tmp0\... I can manually delete that folder perfectly fine, but eclipse fails to for some reason
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[15:15:33] <chrisinajar> once i manually delete that folder, i select "Clean..." again, readd the project, and everything works perfectly
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[15:16:15] <chrisinajar> i can fix it every time so it's not really game breaking, but it's really annoying...
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[15:32:51] <pulse00> this is really weird. if you download the 64 bit windows version of indigo classic, there's no update site configured at all: http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.7-201106131736/eclipse-SDK-3.7-macosx-cocoa-x86_64.tar.gz
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[15:33:10] <pulse00> sorry, wrong link: http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.7-201106131736/eclipse-SDK-3.7-win32-x86_64.zip
[15:33:11] <ron> I think it's a known issue.
[15:33:18] <pulse00> i see
[15:33:27] <ron> you can check the ~bugs
[15:33:27] <Arbalest> Eclipse Bugzilla - Open new bug reports and/or enhancement requests https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi / Search for existing bugs and/or enhancement requests https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/query.cgi
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[15:38:15] <fhein> is Eclipse Indigo just ignoring my settings for tab width and insert spaces for tabs, or have I misunderstood how it works?
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[15:39:03] <ron> fhein: well, my telepathic ability to see your current settings seems to not work on your installation.
[15:41:36] <fhein> any settings I should check that aren't on prefs->general->editors->text editors?
[15:42:07] <timotei> fhein, IIRC you can configure separately each editor type. Maybe one is overriding the default
[15:42:28] <fhein> that sounds plausible
[15:42:44] <rcjsuen> likely
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[15:43:42] <fhein> where do I set editor type settings?
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[15:45:29] <rcjsuen> in their own preference pages (assuming they exist)
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[15:53:12] <Caterpillar> is it possible in the package explorer to add a folder to separate different projects? If I try to add a folder, the ok button is gray because Eclipse wants me to select a parent folder (that I don't klnow how to select, but is the workspace)
[15:53:38] <rcjsuen> use working sets and grp your projs
[15:56:42] <Caterpillar> rcjsuen: well done, thx
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[16:01:56] <fhein> think I found it.. seems like I should change prefs->java->code style->formatter  instead of text editor prefs
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[16:03:33] <Caterpillar> rcjsuen: Eclipse sets as Java working set as default, but some of my projects are in C
[16:03:38] <Caterpillar> is it possible to change?
[16:04:41] <rcjsuen> I don't think it really matters.
[16:04:55] <rcjsuen> But I don't do C/C++ anyway.
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[16:52:35] <myusuf3> i need to limit the view of right click menu depending on whether or not i am in c/++ and java editor
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[17:01:49] 
[17:02:21] <_nor> what is that thing even called in english?
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[17:03:08] <rcjsuen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_sign
[17:03:56] <_nor> thank you. alt+0167
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[17:05:06] <rcjsuen> _nor: A strange channel to come asking such a question.
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[17:05:53] <_nor> :) somehow yes, but as here are many folks with qwerty, it was my first thought for quick help.
[17:06:29] <_nor> googleing this would be a pain in the neck, as i didnt even know how it's called
[17:06:56] <rcjsuen> i just googled double S
[17:06:59] <_nor> about time i switch back to a qwerty again
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[17:07:20] <_nor> well
[17:07:44] 
[17:08:01] <_nor> ok actuall it's 'sz'
[17:08:14] <_nor> *actually
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[17:18:17] <theresajayne> ron can you install plugins manually these days or has that been removed?
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[17:44:50] <theresajayne> i cant believe this - i am having to manually install plugins as the download keeps freezing as i am seeing the downloads hang as they are coming
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[17:59:18] <sobert_> i'd need to work on a plugin on OSX which has a single class that uses org.eclipse.swt.ole.win32 libraries. i'm running OSX and i'm not using this class at all. Therefore i'd like to avoid to develop that thing in a Windows VM. is there some clean way to get rid of compile errors for that single class like in C - #ifdef #endif or something in that line?
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[18:01:00] <myusuf3> what is the base class for editor windows in eclipse
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[18:05:25] <samuell> myusuf3, If you wonder what to extend, to create an own editor, you could use EditorPart
[18:05:42] <myusuf3> samuell, what do you mean
[18:06:23] <samuell> I use "EditorPart" as baseclass (and extends it) when creating an own editor in Eclipse
[18:06:39] <samuell> Not sure what you wanted to do though?
[18:06:55] <myusuf3> I just want to know
[18:07:02] <myusuf3> I am creating a property tester
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[18:09:16] <samuell> myusuf3, Ok ... know too little to tell if EditorPart is the right answer for that
[18:10:46] <nitind> Generally you should trend toward using/referring to the Interfaces, like IEditorPart, if you can.
[18:14:00] <myusuf3> nitind, i am saying how do I check to see if editor is active so I can show a menu contribution
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[19:13:32] <ron> theresajayne: sorry, was away
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[20:20:25] <funky> hi people
[20:20:41] <funky> is there any repository for ubuntu whith eclipse indigo in it?
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[20:20:58] <chrisinajar> funky: check packages.ubuntu.com
[20:21:35] <funky> there is only 3.5 version
[20:22:34] <funky> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=eclipse&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[20:22:48] <chrisinajar> i believe you
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[20:29:09] <trepidacious> Can anyone suggest what to do to fix the thing where Eclipse throws up thousands of errors on basic Java stuff? For example, it identifies every enum as an error (can't use as a keyword, etc.). I've tried cleaning all projects, closing and reopening everything, restarting eclipse, etc.
[20:29:44] <trepidacious> It just seems to occasionally happen - I'll update a project from SVN, something like that, and then Eclipse forgets how to compile Java for a while. Normally cleaning all fixes it
[20:32:11] <trepidacious> This is in Indigo by the way. Is anyone about?
[20:32:18] <Escherial> turn off "build automatically", clean, rebuild, perhaps?
[20:34:35] <trepidacious> I'll try that
[20:35:03] <trepidacious> Nope, errors still there.
[20:35:42] * chrisinajar looks around
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[20:36:06] <chrisinajar> trepidacious: do you have a "
[20:36:12] <chrisinajar> weird" setup at all
[20:36:27] <chrisinajar> minute the newline i accidentally put in that clarification question.
[20:36:31] <chrisinajar> *minus
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[20:38:18] <ssk_the_gr8> this might be the wrong channel...
[20:38:19] <ssk_the_gr8> but
[20:38:25] <ssk_the_gr8> i'm using eclipse
[20:38:37] <ssk_the_gr8> with websphere application server community edition
[20:38:43] <ssk_the_gr8> which JDK should i use?
[20:39:06] <chrisinajar> I'm using JBoss and I have "If server is started, publish changes immediately" UNCHECKED yet every time it finishes compiling it automatically publishes and restarts JBoss. This is both incredibly annoying and incredibly laggy.
[20:39:11] <chrisinajar> any way to make it stop?
[20:39:15] <trepidacious> chrisinajar: Nup just a normal setup, and it was working before I did an update (the update will have modified only a few files in one project)
[20:39:31] <trepidacious> The code itself all looks absolutely fine, the errors/warnings are purely fictional
[20:39:51] <chrisinajar> trepidacious: no idea, i don't have that issue and i've been using it every day for 4 weeks now.... there's something special about your setup...
[20:39:55] <trepidacious> Right source level etc.
[20:40:11] <trepidacious> Ah I've been using eclipse for years, this just happens to me once every few months
[20:40:23] <trepidacious> maybe not even that often, jstu this time it is really stuck.
[20:40:24] <chrisinajar> ah
[20:40:52] <chrisinajar> weird, no idea, i've found that Eclipse's code parsing and completion is quite buggy though, so it don't really find it surprising...
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[20:41:03] <trepidacious> It's always when I'm desperate to actually run some code ;)
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[20:41:26] <trepidacious> Really? When it's going ok it's fine for me, pretty much perfect. Just that occasionally it really breaks itself.
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[20:41:49] <chrisinajar> it's completion for "", {}, and () are all incredibly buggy
[20:41:50] <trepidacious> normally closing and opening projects fixes it - the usual problem is just that it is convinced that a project doesn't really exist
[20:42:02] <chrisinajar> as in breaks the code FAR more often than not...
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[20:42:23] <trepidacious> Ah ok, that's probably the intended behaviour though, not a bug so much as a misfeature
[20:42:29] <trepidacious> I find the same thing with Idea
[20:42:40] <trepidacious> It does the same thing every time, just the wrong thing :)
[20:43:59] <chrisinajar> well like my force-of-habit for writing function names is to type in: doSomething () { [enter] } [up] [end] [enter]
[20:44:03] <chrisinajar> which completely breaks
[20:44:44] <chrisinajar> been doing it that way for years, just started using eclipse and i want to punch people every time i write a new function...
[20:45:44] <chrisinajar> or if i already have the parameter written and want to wrap it in a function, i end up with: doSomething(str)(myActualObject));
[20:45:53] <trepidacious> Ah yeah
[20:46:04] <trepidacious> Well, these auto-things only work if you submit to them :)
[20:46:16] <rcjsuen> turn them off if you don't like it
[20:46:19] <chrisinajar> i can't find where to disable them :/
[20:46:28] <chrisinajar> instead i just get angry and work on something else
[20:46:39] <trepidacious> You need to do:  doSomething(){ [enter] foo();
[20:46:51] <trepidacious> That will get you the opening and closing brace without ever typing them.
[20:47:23] <trepidacious> Idea is much worse - it autocompletes "if" to some weird thing like "intToFloatBlahHiddenMethodThingy____"
[20:47:37] <trepidacious> Even if you type "if[space]"
[20:47:48] <chrisinajar> well like, say you have varaible caleld "blah" on a line and want to make that the parameter to a function called "doSomething", so you go to the start of the line, type in "doSomething(", hit end, type in ");"
[20:48:05] <chrisinajar> you end up with a fuckforest of parenthesis and templated arguments
[20:48:34] <rcjsuen> funky: I doubt there's any. Check with #eclipse-linux.
[20:48:35] <chrisinajar> i use home/end a lot, it seems eclipse really doesn't want to me
[20:48:41] <trepidacious> Yeah, it also has a tendency to overwrite stuff that it shouldn't. On the whole I think it is beneficial when you work out what it's trying to do
[20:49:21] <trepidacious> Particularly stuff like anonymous inner classes, they are MUCH faster with autocomplete, to the point where I almost don't care that Sun/Oracle are never going to get their fingers out and provide real closures :)
[20:49:44] <chrisinajar> i'm very poweruser with my code, using ctrl+arrows, copy and pasting, and using home/end a lot... I code incredibly fast, but have had to slow down with Eclipse do to it breaking my code and also having to wait a second or two every once in a while when it feels like thinking really hard...
[20:50:06] <chrisinajar> QtCreator handled all these things perfectly and never lagged once. God i miss it x.x
[20:50:29] <chrisinajar> QtCreator stayed out of my way, but when i messed up it would fix it for me. That's what an IDE should do.
[20:50:44] <trepidacious> chrisinajar: Eclipse is probably about as fast as you will get for Java auto stuff, it's about 10 times (literally) faster than Idea
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[20:50:57] <chrisinajar> Eclipse is like a fat guy at the super market that you have to squeeze by every time you're in the same isle
[20:51:54] <trepidacious> On the plus side, I finally fixed the build thing :) It was DISPLAYING 1.6 as the source level, but obviously totally not using it. I set it to 1.5 then back to 1.6, and now it's fine. Yay for stale state.
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[20:52:25] <rcjsuen> it's in the 'Typing' preferences, use the filter in the search control if youcan't find it
[20:52:30] <chrisinajar> i get stale jboss states all the time, i have to remove the published app and manually delete a temporary directory every time...
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[20:53:23] <trepidacious> Yeah, it's heinous. I actually wrote a library for stuff like that specifically to ensure that stale state wasn't possible. Or at least, not possible if my library actually works :)
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[20:53:33] <trepidacious> I assume eclipse has something similar, but evidently not bug free
[20:53:48] * chrisinajar doesn't know where preferences are either
[20:54:05] <chrisinajar> lol, in window...
[20:54:08] <chrisinajar> >.>
[20:54:27] <trepidacious> Yeah that is really odd. Actually on OSX it is in the right place.
[20:54:44] <chrisinajar> yay, disabled ^^
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[20:55:03] <rcjsuen> trepidacious: Yes we have specific Mac code to move it there.
[20:55:13] <chrisinajar> the performance is what kills me, though... it's really bad...
[20:55:23] <chrisinajar> when i'm doing hardcore active development i use notepad++
[20:55:35] <chrisinajar> eclipse is too slow, it ends up screwing up my code while it's lagging
[20:55:43] <chrisinajar> on my dual core 4gb of ram machine
[20:57:03] <chrisinajar> rcjsuen: is there a hotkey for changing between tabs sanely? alt+arrow does it in really insane ways...
[20:57:15] <rcjsuen> That's like Back/Forward.
[20:57:19] <timotei> chrisinajar, for java dev?
[20:57:27] <chrisinajar> timotei: yes
[20:57:41] <timotei> chrisinajar, I have dual core (pentium not even core 2 duo ) and 4 gigas
[20:57:45] <timotei> and it works flawless
[20:57:50] <timotei> it's the best java editor out there
[20:57:59] <timotei> it's 80% like it reads my thoughts :P
[20:58:05] <timotei> maybe you need to learn it better ;)
[20:58:15] <trepidacious> I have to say actually, eclipse has never seemed slow to me
[20:58:15] <rcjsuen> Ctrl+PgUp/Down
[20:58:22] <chrisinajar> rcjsuen: cool, thanks
[20:58:23] <rcjsuen> Ctrl+(Shift+)F6
[20:58:30] <trepidacious> I switched from netbeans which really WAS slow, specifically for the speed
[20:58:33] <trepidacious> and Idea is much slower
[20:58:40] <trepidacious> maybe it's a configuration thing?
[20:58:52] <rcjsuen> perhaps it's a problem with Chris's plug-ins *shrugs*
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[20:59:01] <chrisinajar> i use maven and svn plugin
[20:59:02] <chrisinajar> that's it
[20:59:42] <chrisinajar> i code stupidly fast and compulsively save a lot, i also switch source files very quickly saving while switching every time
[20:59:47] <chrisinajar> admittedly i do beat the shit out of this IDE
[20:59:53] <timotei> chrisinajar, it doesn't matter :P
[21:00:14] <rcjsuen> Though I don't really understand why you don't always use Notepad++.
[21:00:23] <timotei> hehe
[21:00:24] <chrisinajar> i need the features of eclipse
[21:00:30] <chrisinajar> eclipse is great for everything but coding
[21:00:34] <timotei> notepad++ doesn't have content assist
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[21:00:45] <trepidacious> Which platform are you on?
[21:00:51] <rcjsuen> Then what are you using Eclipse for?
[21:00:51] <chrisinajar> windows 7 64bit
[21:01:01] <chrisinajar> fresh install of the OS and the IDE as of 4 weeks ago
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[21:01:03] <rcjsuen> For the SVN integration?
[21:01:13] <trepidacious> I've not used it on windows much, OSX and Ubuntu are fine though, even on pretty old PCs
[21:01:17] <chrisinajar> svn, building, running, debugging
[21:01:28] <chrisinajar> though half the time i use svn from cygwin anyway
[21:01:34] <trepidacious> I think emacs or vi may have autocomplete?
[21:01:39] <timotei> chrisinajar, you know you can use maven from console aswell?
[21:01:53] <chrisinajar> yes but it's a pain, i'd rather have eclipse do it for me
[21:01:57] <rcjsuen> There's some Vim thing that will let it autocomplete as if you had JDT I think.
[21:02:04] <chrisinajar> i like the single click running of my app with clickable exceptions
[21:02:14] <chrisinajar> basically, i use eclipse as a debugger and building tool :P
[21:02:23] <chrisinajar> which it's great for, don't get me wrong
[21:02:31] <chrisinajar> it's just too slow for me to code it, i get annoyed
[21:03:13] <trepidacious> I am surprised by that - I totally get the thing about it autocompleting in a way that doesn't suit you, and it can be buggy with stuff like my build problem, etc. but it's not generally slow for me.
[21:03:42] <chrisinajar> i mean, the thing takes like 35 seconds to start up and another 10 to close
[21:03:45] <chrisinajar> it's insane
[21:04:02] <chrisinajar> takes like 500ms to open a file
[21:04:05] <trepidacious> I know what you mean - on my old macbook, Idea was slow enough to actually lose text, or get it on the wrong line, but I've literally never had that with eclipse in years of use.
[21:04:11] <rcjsuen> That part doesn't really bother me since I turn it on when I get into work and turn it off when I leave.
[21:04:22] <chrisinajar> there's a noticable hickup if you switch between too many sources in a second
[21:04:32] <trepidacious> The start up/close thing is normal, but the file opening should be fine.
[21:04:49] <trepidacious> I normally end up with 100's of files open, switching about, and it doesn't mind
[21:05:02] <chrisinajar> i usually only have about 40 open
[21:05:03] <rcjsuen> lol, my max is probably 30s
[21:05:16] <chrisinajar> sometimes i spike up intothe 60's but i try to keep it down
[21:05:42] <trepidacious> I don't MEAN to have 100 open, I just never close them :) I only ever use ctrl-shift-t to switch files, so I don't really care how many are open
[21:05:51] <trepidacious> but then I realise they are ALL open ;)
[21:05:59] <chrisinajar> ctrl+shift+r is what i use
[21:06:40] <trepidacious> I use that if I want a resource, but for classes t seems better
[21:07:08] <trepidacious> You're right though, there is a small but noticeable lag opening a new file, not 0.5 seconds but maybe 0.2, hard to say really ;)
[21:07:30] <chrisinajar> yeah, 500ms might be an exaduration
[21:07:47] <chrisinajar> nonetheless it's enough that i am annoyed as i can't instantly ctrl+f
[21:08:02] <trepidacious> probably about the same time as switching tabs. Dammit now I've noticed that it will probably annoy me, never noticed it before though
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[21:08:31] <trepidacious> for me, if I switch tabs then instantly ctrl-f, it works fine
[21:08:36] <chrisinajar> oh, and another thing, it doesn't support ctrl+dragging text to copy and paste
[21:08:53] <chrisinajar> it's bad enough that windows doesn't have the middle click clipboard, but without that i'm so lost
[21:09:01] <rcjsuen> That should work.
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[21:09:08] <chrisinajar> rcjsuen: it only works sometimes
[21:09:30] <chrisinajar> rcjsuen: it only works if you're dragging on a method, if you drag on whitespace it just deselects it
[21:09:36] <trepidacious> I didn't know that was a thing, but it doesn't work here either
[21:09:57] <trepidacious> chrisinajar: Why not use Linux then? ;)
[21:10:07] <chrisinajar> trepidacious: work
[21:10:11] <chrisinajar> i do at home
[21:10:17] <trepidacious> Ah right, that sucks.
[21:10:18] <chrisinajar> i use linux + kdevelop3
[21:10:40] <chrisinajar> i can code at least 20% faster on that thing
[21:10:43] <chrisinajar> it's so nice ^^
[21:10:47] <trepidacious> Well, anything starting with K is always going to be much faster than anything else
[21:10:58] <chrisinajar> unless it ends with a 4
[21:11:08] <chrisinajar> then it's too slow to use
[21:11:18] <trepidacious> Well yeah, frankly everything after Dolphin replacing Konqueror was just a nail in the coffin
[21:11:39] <trepidacious> I was always amazed that the single best thing in KDE was what they got rid of, replacing it with the single worst thing
[21:11:47] <chrisinajar> hell no, konq is a pile of horse shit that needed to be gradded out behind the shed and shot years ago
[21:12:14] <chrisinajar> although the onlything i ever used it for was ftp
[21:12:15] <trepidacious> Really? No one ever explained to me what was wrong with it. It always seemed fast, pretty straightforward to use, etc.
[21:12:19] <chrisinajar> otherwise konsole ftw
[21:12:33] <trepidacious> It actually did all the stuff that the nautilus only pretends to do, like ftp yeah :)
[21:12:42] <chrisinajar> ugh, kde4's sftp setup is so broken, too
[21:12:52] <trepidacious> whereas dolphin can't actually move fiels around
[21:13:06] <chrisinajar> yeah,i don't move files with it soo....
[21:13:10] <chrisinajar> that's for mv
[21:13:19] <trepidacious> I don't know, I gave up on kde4 after the pre-alpha, otherwise known as the actual release ;)
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[21:13:26] <chrisinajar> lol
[21:13:27] <chrisinajar> indeed
[21:13:32] <chrisinajar> it was great in 4.2, actually
[21:13:43] <chrisinajar> 4.3 was iffy, and from then on it was unusable and depressing
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[21:14:05] <trepidacious> Yes I heard it got better at some point, I pretty much lost interest
[21:14:09] <chrisinajar> i have a quadcore with 8gb of ram and an 8800 card at home, their window manager was too heavy for it
[21:14:35] <chrisinajar> i use xfce with kde3 apps installed, now
[21:14:37] <trepidacious> TBH all the linux desktop stuff seems to have peaked a few years ago, and it;s just vigorously breaking itself now - gnome 3 and "Unity, etc.
[21:14:59] <chrisinajar> yeah, kde3.5 is still by far the best desktop experience out there
[21:15:09] <chrisinajar> windows 7 is really nice, too, though
[21:15:15] <chrisinajar> i was really impressed
[21:15:29] <chrisinajar> it's the first version of windows i've actually run not as just a gaming platform
[21:15:40] <trepidacious> Really? I just thought it was pretty much XP with different colours and everything shuffled around a bit
[21:15:51] <chrisinajar> fuck no, it's awesome, i love it
[21:16:00] <trepidacious> Sad as it is, I'm pretty much just an Apple fan boy now.
[21:16:05] <chrisinajar> they fixed alt+tab and the windows key works like alt+f2 now
[21:16:35] <chrisinajar> that's really all you need to win me over, extremely fast window management and a competent alt+f2 clone
[21:16:45] <trepidacious> Hm, I guess there are tweaks, I have to switch about between XP, Vista and 7, so I have very little idea what is goin on in any given version of Windows, just that I hate them all ;)
[21:16:45] <chrisinajar> i don't liek touching my mouse, and i don't like ever having to stop typing
[21:16:59] <trepidacious> What does alt+f2 do?
[21:17:05] <chrisinajar> run command
[21:17:21] <chrisinajar> i launch all my applications like that
[21:17:25] <trepidacious> ah ok
[21:17:28] <chrisinajar> as i said, i don't like touching my mouse
[21:17:32] <trepidacious> Spotlight :)
[21:17:38] <chrisinajar> indeed
[21:18:01] <rcjsuen> I'm surprised you use your mouse for copy/pasting text.
[21:18:05] <chrisinajar> if mac didn't require shitty expensive mac hardware i would run it, it's a sane unix environment... that's amazing...
[21:18:18] <chrisinajar> rcjsuen: if i had more clipboards i wouldn't need to
[21:18:20] <trepidacious> Ah alt+f2 on linux you mean, not windows? Or does windows do that too?
[21:18:29] <chrisinajar> 7 does, with the windwos key
[21:18:43] <chrisinajar> the start menu has a text entry thingy now and it's focused by default
[21:19:03] <chrisinajar> i miss middle click clipboard so much
[21:19:10] <chrisinajar> i'm used to having three clipboards D:
[21:19:15] <trepidacious> Mac hardware is a lot more reasonably priced now, its just that they dont really have a low end machine, and some of the price goes towards a nice case and good components rather than high numbers (Hz, Bytes, etc.) Plus a not insignificant markup, I do admit :)
[21:19:22] <chrisinajar> no it's not
[21:19:25] <chrisinajar> that's just not true
[21:19:34] <trepidacious> the price thing?
[21:19:38] <chrisinajar> yeah
[21:20:05] <chrisinajar> my computer, the quadcore with 8gb of ram and a graphics card that can run any game, is in the $600 area
[21:20:17] <trepidacious> It's not really possible to compare, no one else makes quite the same stuff. For example, the nearest thing to my macbook air is a $1200 samsung thing, which is MORE expensive (although also a bit faster)
[21:20:29] <trepidacious> With monitor and all the bits and pieces?
[21:20:47] <chrisinajar> no, my headphones alone are $150, accessories don't count
[21:21:01] <chrisinajar> in fact i think my accessories cost the same as my computer :P
[21:21:03] <trepidacious> Monitor does though, if you're comparing to an iMac
[21:21:14] <chrisinajar> $120 monitor
[21:21:17] <trepidacious> I have to admit, the iMacs really are quite pricey, I tend to just think about the  laptops
[21:21:37] <chrisinajar> the laptops are literally twice the price of a dell equivilent running hardware with the same part numbers
[21:21:41] <trepidacious> The thing is, a $120 monitor is unlikely to be quite as good as the screen on an iMac, which may not matter to you
[21:21:52] <trepidacious> There isn't a Dell equivalent to a macbook, that was my point
[21:21:56] <chrisinajar> my monitor can display text and graphics to me
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[21:22:20] <chrisinajar> no, dell lacks in pretentious levels and does not have any turtlenecks backing it...
[21:22:30] <chrisinajar> other than that the hardware is equivilent
[21:22:31] <trepidacious> There are Dells with the same performance numbers as a given macbook, but not in the same size/weight/build quality
[21:22:42] <trepidacious> Theres nothing at all wrong with the Dells
[21:22:58] <chrisinajar> yeah, i don't really care about things that don't effect my computer use though
[21:23:01] <trepidacious> I'm just saying they're not the same price because there are differences other than just plain performance metrics
[21:23:03] <chrisinajar> like size or weight
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[21:23:08] <chrisinajar> or how white they are
[21:23:13] <chrisinajar> or if the edges and beveled
[21:23:27] <rcjsuen> Please agree to disagree or take this discussion to PM.
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[21:23:35] <chrisinajar> no
[21:23:39] <trepidacious> Yeah that means a Mac would definitely be overpriced to you. The whiteness/look/whatever are subjective, but some other stuff like the keyboard being fairly reasonable etc. are fair
[21:23:41] <rcjsuen> Oh well, I tried :)
[21:23:46] <chrisinajar> ;)
[21:23:47] <trepidacious> Yes sorry, thoy war ;)is is no place for a fanb
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[21:23:55] <trepidacious> oops sorry for mangling ;)
[21:24:31] <chrisinajar> keyboard is unimportant, if it's not a logitech G110 then it's a second class citizen no matter what
[21:24:37] <trepidacious> chrisinajar: No I don't disagree with you, if those factors aren't important to you, you can get a LOT more Hz/Bytes etc. from a non-Mac
[21:25:16] <trepidacious> The KB is very subjective, I use a Mac KB even on my linux PC, despite the werid key mapping :) But I'm goign to stop with the off-topic Steve Jobs mindprobe stuff now ;)
[21:25:36] <chrisinajar> my computer needs to do the things i want it to, it needs to do them fast, and it needs to connect to my periferals. macs and pc's can both do this, however pc's can do it for a fraction of the cost :P
[21:26:07] <chrisinajar> you'll look way cooler using your computer, though ;)
[21:26:09] <chrisinajar> that's for sure.
[21:26:17] <jubberrue> Hi, RCP question. Assuming we have multiple deployments and we use the p2 system to update bundles. How should we update a local table schema (database we be on the user's computer)... say adding a new column? I'm using JPA/Hibernate with Derby. Thanks.
[21:26:22] <chrisinajar> I'll be the nerd, you be the hipster :P
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[21:29:07] <rcjsuen> I think you need to have a custom touchpoint or something to execute "random" code. mpiggott?
[21:29:13] <trepidacious> chrisinajar: It would take more than a fancy computo-cakeslice to make me look cool, I never use it outdoors anyway ;)
[21:30:54] <mpiggott> Touchpoints are usually related to the installation of the bundle, I would think you would want your plugin code to handle migration
[21:32:00] <rcjsuen> mm, good point
[21:32:12] <rcjsuen> the plug-in would just check on next startup the db's schema and perform migration if necessary
[21:32:27] <rcjsuen> stupid me, sorry Matt
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[21:36:47] <rcjsuen> myusuf3: You would have to check if the currently active part is an IEditorPart then proceed as necessary.
[21:37:25] <myusuf3> rcjsuen, i figured it out I used the variable activeEditorId
[21:37:37] <myusuf3> and then I got the ids with plugin inspector tool
[21:38:04] <rcjsuen> the active editor might not be the active par
[21:38:05] <rcjsuen> t
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[21:40:38] <myusuf3> I want it turned on by the editor
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[22:22:15] <magicked> this might be a silly question, but how can i access resources stored in a regular folder?  in java, i'm trying to access some images i have in a folder in the project, but it can't find them.  i'm using this.getClass().getResource(path) and it's returning null.
[22:22:45] <magicked> the code is in a package in the src/ folder.  then i have another folder res/images/ that has the images.
[22:23:26] <rcjsuen> your /res/ folder is probably not on the classpath
[22:23:50] <rcjsuen> if you put project/res/ as project/src/res/ then it should work
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[22:24:41] <magicked> hmmm
[22:25:11] <magicked> can i add it to the classpath through properties, or...?
[22:25:47] <rcjsuen> perhaps youshould first confirm if that is indeed the problem
[22:27:51] <magicked> haha, probably a good idea.  i'm not really sure how to approach figuring that out though.
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[22:31:33] <myusuf3> OKAY
[22:31:47] <myusuf3> I am wondering how to get a menu contribution with a dynamic name
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[22:32:12] <myusuf3> so if i right clicked on a file I could say open "blah" which is the file I clicked on
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[22:42:07] <rcjsuen> I think you use an IElementUpdater for that.
[22:42:16] <rcjsuen> magicked: Why don't you try what I suggested
[22:42:38] <magicked> i did, but i might be misunderstanding you
[22:42:45] <magicked> i assume 'project' is the project name?
[22:43:28] <rcjsuen> yes
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[22:44:32] <magicked> okay, so here is what i have. my project is called "Quantum".  so I have Quantum/src/quantum/graphics/TextureLoader.java.  That file is using the getClass().getResource(path).
[22:44:51] <magicked> and my images are in Quantum/res/images
[22:45:17] <magicked> so i tried to do this.getClass().getResource("Quantum/res/images/image.jpg")
[22:45:17] <nitind> That path must then be relative to something in the classpath --the Java Build Path for that project.
[22:45:33] <nitind> The workspace path would *never* be the correct one.
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[22:46:04] <magicked> is it "Source" tab under java build path?
[22:46:22] <magicked> and would i do getResource("res/images/image.jpg") then?
[22:46:35] <nitind> magicked: Yes and yes.
[22:48:40] <magicked> hmm, for some reason it still doesn't like it.  in my build path under source, i see "Quantum/res/images"
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[22:56:56] <nitind> What still doesn't like it?
[22:57:30] <nitind> See where?
[22:58:28] <magicked> sorry, i mean it still returns a null URL.
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[22:59:05] <magicked> this.getClass().getResource("res/images/image.jpg") returns null
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[22:59:49] <magicked> and in project properties under "Java Build Path", the "Source" tab shows "Quantum/res/images"
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[23:00:56] <stravant> In CDT is there any way, hack or not, to get the editor to hide an error that the code-completion thinks is an error (a recoverable one, naturally there would be no solution with an unrecoverable one), but is in fact correct code which compiles fine?
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[23:05:16] <rcjsuen> magicked: I assumed you copy/pasted to Quantum/src/res/images/
[23:05:20] <rcjsuen> Doesn't look like youdi that.
[23:06:14] <magicked> iirc, i created the source folders in eclipse, then copied the image over
[23:06:33] <nitind> magicked: The path used for getResource() must then be relative to something in the classpath --the Java Build Path for that project.  if "Quantum/res/images" is in the Build Path and you're trying to use "Quantum/res/images/image.jpg", you would just use "image.jpg".
[23:07:10] <magicked> oh... haha
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[23:07:13] <magicked> let me try that :)
[23:09:03] <magicked> okay, i needed to use ../../image.jpg
[23:09:18] <magicked> since the class was a couple package levels deep
[23:09:35] <magicked> thanks to both of you for your help!
[23:09:39] <magicked> i didn't realize it worked that way
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[23:12:05] <nitind> magicked: Sorry, forgot about that.  Starting with '/' makes it relative to an entry in the classpath, anything else is relative to the package the class is in.
[23:12:51] <magicked> no worries.  it makes sense now that i know how it works.  thanks again! :)
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[23:32:29] <myusuf3> dynamic menu contributions
[23:32:32] <myusuf3> go go go go
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[23:51:58] <herlimenezes> hello, good evening. Does somebody could explain me what kind of exception is this: http://fpaste.org/4pZe/ and what are the ways to circunvent it?
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[23:52:23] <rcjsuen> that looks more like some internal error
[23:53:13] <rcjsuen> ~348205
[23:53:14] <Arbalest> Bug 348205 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=348205 - Platform / SWT / 3.6 - Other / Linux-GTK - NEW / major / - Assignee: platform-swt-inbox - NullPointerException in xml editor
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[23:53:52] <herlimenezes> yes, this happens as I restarted eclipse.
[23:54:14] <herlimenezes> I dont think it is a serious one...
[23:55:28] <herlimenezes> btw I use Fedora Linux at an AMD machine Phenon, 4 G Ram.
[23:55:45] <herlimenezes> Fedora 14 open JDK 1.6]
[23:56:13] <rcjsuen> I highly doubt it's distro-specific.
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[23:57:21] <myusuf3> ContributionItems how do I place them under a menu?
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